Query regarding shaykh abdul baki and Shaykh Mahmud Effendi

[London786]

Asalamualaykum w w

Inshallah some brother is planning to go turkey in the near future.......he would like to meet shaykh mahmud effendi and shaykh abdul baki.........but before he meets them he has some queries..


1. How strict is the shaykh and mureeds on the sunnah.......by sunnah i mean everything...beard, trousers above ankles, eating, drinking, sleeping, avoiding interest etc....
2. Do the above mentioned shaykhs support the government........e.g. do they praise the government or are they critical?
3. Do the shaykhs have kashf and have they made any predictions?
4. Can a person get to spend time with them personally.
5. What are the contact details of the shuyukh?
6. What is the zikr they do? loud or quiet...what do begineers do and how advanced do people get.
7. What is the average routine at the zawiya(in urdu known as khanqah and turkish i think tekke)...how many hours zikr per day?? in ramadan what do they do???
8. What do the shuyukh think of tableegh jamaat or ulema-e-deoband
9. What are the views of the shuyukh on bidahs....

Any other useful information........

the names of other shaykhs that r based in turkey????

im looking forward to some answers......:cheesygri by the way umar italy im waiting for ur article on ur journey...........

[The Fake Shaykh]

[QUOTE=London786;413610]Asalamualaykum w w

Inshallah some brother is planning to go turkey in the near future.......he would like to meet shaykh mahmud effendi and shaykh abdul baki.........but before he meets them he has some queries..


A/S

i went to turkey couple years back, i did meet some of his mureeds, from my meeting with them i found them to be on sunnah, their character, yes they had full beards, wore traditional clothing, wore trousers above ankles, i went to the markaz in istanbul and asked some brothers about shayhk mahmood, they generally had a good opinion of him, allah knows best

[kayra]

Asalamualaykum w w

Inshallah some brother is planning to go turkey in the near future.......he would like to meet shaykh mahmud effendi and shaykh abdul baki.........but before he meets them he has some queries..


1. How strict is the shaykh and mureeds on the sunnah.......by sunnah i mean everything...beard, trousers above ankles, eating, drinking, sleeping, avoiding interest etc....
2. Do the above mentioned shaykhs support the government........e.g. do they praise the government or are they critical?
3. Do the shaykhs have kashf and have they made any predictions?
4. Can a person get to spend time with them personally.
5. What are the contact details of the shuyukh?
6. What is the zikr they do? loud or quiet...what do begineers do and how advanced do people get.
7. What is the average routine at the zawiya(in urdu known as khanqah and turkish i think tekke)...how many hours zikr per day?? in ramadan what do they do???
8. What do the shuyukh think of tableegh jamaat or ulema-e-deoband
9. What are the views of the shuyukh on bidahs....

Any other useful information........

the names of other shaykhs that r based in turkey????

im looking forward to some answers......:cheesygri by the way umar italy im waiting for ur article on ur journey...........

:salam:

Ah ah ask the brother to pray for me when he goes to visit my beloved Shaikh!!

1. Mahmut Efendi is much stricter with his murids, I believe. Our Shaikh doesn't reject any murid or scold any murid for not wearing a beard, etc. In fact, he says, "we don't care about the outer shell, we care about the engine (heart)." Having said that, our Shaikh and those closest to him refuse to even swat away a mosquito unless our Prophet :saw: was recorded to have done the same. Our Shaikh is said to live the Sunnah of our Prophet :saw: perfectly, and his murids try to imitate and emulate him as far as they are able. Some of his murids are such flawed human beings that this isn't very far :$ But our beloved Shaikh never gives up on us!

As I mentioned in another post, people wearing openly religious symbols such as headscarves and big beards are not allowed (by Turkish law) to have certain jobs (in state institutions). This is one reason why many murids opt for the clean-shaven look. Sad and weird (for an outsider like me).

2. Wouldn't know the answer to that. But I know that our Shaikh disapproves of flouting the law. He also doesn'T encourage political debate, but that's probably because of the dynamics of Turkish politics - many of his murids are Kurds, who hold certain opposing political views to Turks, for example. And of course the strictly secular government is always on the lookout for tariqa which criticizes them, so our Shaikh isn't likely to broadcast any criticisms if he has any.

3. Not 100% what keshf means, but I'm guessing from the similarity to a Turkish word - is it like, revelation? Being told things by angels, etc.? Because if so - even his grandchildren are said to know things about murids that they couldn't possibly know =) I myself got the shock of my life when I asked him for something very specific (in my head, hundreds of miles away from where I knew he was physically) and he sent it to me via a member of his family within minutes. I'm actually very ashamed about this, because I know he normally only does things like this when a murid's faith is weak, and needs bolstering.

4. When necessary, yes. International visitors get priority, I believe (probably because they have less chance of returning again the following week). Once I had a problem which I told his daughter about. He then called my husband into his private room to advise him on the issue. I'm pretty sure that if the brother you mention requests to see him, he won't be turned down. I can get my husband to contact some murids who live there to make sure there's somebody who can translate, insh'Allah!

5. Ah. DO you want an address or a phone number? And for what purpose, exactly?

6. Silent dhikr, under a (white) cover. Novices start off with 5000 repetitions, and do dhikr with their heart. Advanced murids do dhikr with their other letayyif as well (forhead, etc.). I'm an extreme novice, so I'm not the best person to give details on this.

7. The day revolves around Salah, service (doing anything useful, like making bread or carrying loads or whatevr) and hatme (a very special kind of prayer/ dhikr meeting). Daily prescribed dhikr is private and personal, and the murid has to fit it into his/ her day him/herself.

8. Oh dear. Could you translate, please? :$

9. Bidah is innovation, right? If you mean religious innovation, our Shaykh is very very traditional in matters of religion and worship. If you mean worldly innovation, I know some members of his family use email =)

Any other useful information...

Well. He is a friend of Allah, a descendant of our beloved Prophet :saw: and has dedicated his life to guiding thousands upon thousands of murids. I'm told that durg addicts and prostitutes and criminals leave his presence with noor shining from their faces. I hear story upon story of murids whose hearts call out to him and he helps them from hundreds or thousands of miles away. As we discussed in another thread, I believe all Shaykhs are beloved by their murids, and the murids never tire of extolling the virtues and keramet of their shaykh. I can only testify to what I have personally experienced. And that is, in a nutshell, that every day since I first visited him has been filled with keramet. And the miracles just seem to increase with time.

:ws:

[London786]

jazakallah khairan for ur information........if u dont mind can i comment on each of those points u mentioned........

1. With regards to the shaykh not caring for the outer shell.....I agree the inner is the most important thing but according to my limited understanding and the mashaikh ive met they consider both important........i mean if the outer was not an issue then the shaykh himself would not grow a beard.....So does the average mureed use miswaak whilst doing wudhu, pray salah always in the masjid(men) etc.....i mean for us indopak people its very rare to see practicing people clean shaven:p.......its a bit of a contradiction...

2. So has the shaykh not ever mentioned Turkey's role in Nato, or the fact that turkey allowed the americans to use bases to attack iraq??? Are there any sufi mashaikh in turkey who have taken on the government and tackled these issues?? So the shaykh has a lot of kurdish followers mashallah??? I was always under the impression that kurds were lost people who were nationalist with wierd views......i know salahudeen ayubi was a kurd and the famous shaykh khalid roomi(also known as baghdadi) was a kurd but i was under the impression that the kurds dont pray and are far from deen......at least thats what i saw in the uk.....

3. yes what u have described is kashf.......so is it common amongst mureeds?? do mureeds see the prophet SAW in a wakeful state??? i have heard in some tariqas the kashfs of the graves etc is actually taught...is this the case with this silsila

4. Jazakallah khairan for the offer of translators...does the shaykh speak arabic??

5. I would want an email address of a male mureed or khalifah(has the shaykh appointed any succesors?) who knows english......the purpose is to find out more about shaykh abdul baki and the silsila and hopefully arrange a trip to turkey soon...

6.i am familar with the zikr......so how long does it take for a mureed to go through the latifas.....i mean i know it depends on the mureed but on average??? and what is after the latifas.....coz ur a beginner u might not know but if u could put us in touch with someone who might.

7. is the zikr khatme khwajaghaan......so the tasbih zikr is done individually???
could you give me an average routine of the day??? how much time is roughly spent on zikr???coz ive been to some khanqahs where the zikr is only about 30 mins per day whilst in others its almost 5 hours collective zikr per day......

8. tableegh jamaat is the most famous missionary group in the world....many members of this forum can u tell u more.....it was founded by one of the greatest sufis maulana ilyas.....they knock on people's houses and call them to the masjid.....they usually stay at the masjid read the stories of the sahabah, teach each other and others basic sunnahs like how to eat, sleep etc according to the sunnah....is it possible u could find out the shaykh's views on this blessed group.....They hold the biggest gathering in the world after hajj mashallah....
deoband is the name of a revivalist movement which is a movement which has revived the sunnah in many parts of the world......They are people of the inner and outer, they engage in tableegh, jihad, teaching, zikr etc......They have produced the most and best scholars in the world......go to www.deoband.org for more info......

9. yes, bidah is innovation......what does ur shaykh think of practices like celebrating birthdays, music etc.

so how have people's life changed??? are the mureeds regular in tahajud?? on average how long do mureeds spend on zikr......

[kalamiah]

:salam:

I would like to know whether Pas Anfas is also instructed by the Shaykhs' similar to Naqshbandi Owaisi and Chishti. So far I have not known Naqshbandi Mujaddidis instruct this exercise.

Thanks, Jazakallah

:ws:

[Ansari]

9. What are the views of the shuyukh on bidahs....


Not that strict I would say. I have met 2 Turkish brothers and have talked with them about it. One was a brother graduated from Ma'ad al-Fath in Damascus, and said that sufism in Turkey is awfull and the people are totally ignorant. He also expressed reservations about Shaykh Mahmud Effendi, and the manner in which his students perform rabita (tasawur al-shaykh).

Another Turkish brother told me how he saw Ahmud Hucca on tv defending the wording "Shafate Ya Rasulallah" during iqama (or adhan perhaps), and calling those who forbid it 'wahhabis'.

[kayra]

jazakallah khairan for ur information........if u dont mind can i comment on each of those points u mentioned........

1. With regards to the shaykh not caring for the outer shell.....I agree the inner is the most important thing but according to my limited understanding and the mashaikh ive met they consider both important........i mean if the outer was not an issue then the shaykh himself would not grow a beard.....So does the average mureed use miswaak whilst doing wudhu, pray salah always in the masjid(men) etc.....i mean for us indopak people its very rare to see practicing people clean shaven:p.......its a bit of a contradiction...

2. So has the shaykh not ever mentioned Turkey's role in Nato, or the fact that turkey allowed the americans to use bases to attack iraq??? Are there any sufi mashaikh in turkey who have taken on the government and tackled these issues?? So the shaykh has a lot of kurdish followers mashallah??? I was always under the impression that kurds were lost people who were nationalist with wierd views......i know salahudeen ayubi was a kurd and the famous shaykh khalid roomi(also known as baghdadi) was a kurd but i was under the impression that the kurds dont pray and are far from deen......at least thats what i saw in the uk.....

3. yes what u have described is kashf.......so is it common amongst mureeds?? do mureeds see the prophet SAW in a wakeful state??? i have heard in some tariqas the kashfs of the graves etc is actually taught...is this the case with this silsila

4. Jazakallah khairan for the offer of translators...does the shaykh speak arabic??

5. I would want an email address of a male mureed or khalifah(has the shaykh appointed any succesors?) who knows english......the purpose is to find out more about shaykh abdul baki and the silsila and hopefully arrange a trip to turkey soon...

6.i am familar with the zikr......so how long does it take for a mureed to go through the latifas.....i mean i know it depends on the mureed but on average??? and what is after the latifas.....coz ur a beginner u might not know but if u could put us in touch with someone who might.

7. is the zikr khatme khwajaghaan......so the tasbih zikr is done individually???
could you give me an average routine of the day??? how much time is roughly spent on zikr???coz ive been to some khanqahs where the zikr is only about 30 mins per day whilst in others its almost 5 hours collective zikr per day......

8. tableegh jamaat is the most famous missionary group in the world....many members of this forum can u tell u more.....it was founded by one of the greatest sufis maulana ilyas.....they knock on people's houses and call them to the masjid.....they usually stay at the masjid read the stories of the sahabah, teach each other and others basic sunnahs like how to eat, sleep etc according to the sunnah....is it possible u could find out the shaykh's views on this blessed group.....They hold the biggest gathering in the world after hajj mashallah....
deoband is the name of a revivalist movement which is a movement which has revived the sunnah in many parts of the world......They are people of the inner and outer, they engage in tableegh, jihad, teaching, zikr etc......They have produced the most and best scholars in the world......go to www.deoband.org for more info......

9. yes, bidah is innovation......what does ur shaykh think of practices like celebrating birthdays, music etc.

so how have people's life changed??? are the mureeds regular in tahajud?? on average how long do mureeds spend on zikr......

:salam:

Firstly, I'd like to make another disclaimer: the male murid I have observed most closely is my husband (naturally!) and therefore most of my knowledge of the brothers is secondhand. The brother I know second-best is one of my husband's oldest friends, who visits often, and my husband encourages me to listen in on their conversations from upstairs when he is here, so I can benefit from his (the friend's) experience - my husband is very wary of repeating things afterwards, in case he gets certain things wrong etc.

This particular murid wears a beard, dresses according to Sunnah (to my limited knowledge), uses miswaak (carries one in his pocket, according to H), observes Sharia law and Sunnah to the best of his ability down to the smallest detail (where possible), and even when he doesn't go to a masjid he will always try to form a jemaat. Apparently he hasn't stepped foot anywhere in a state of non-wudhu since he was 15 or something (not sure how that's possible??). Etc.

On the other end of the scale you have murids like me, struggling to escape decades of Western conditioning, and still feeling delighted if I manage to wake up in time for morning prayer before sunrise.

Like I said, the murids of our Shaikh come from all walks of life. Just like I'm told not to judge Islam by all Muslims, I assume the same goes for a Shaikh - I don't think he should be evaulated on the basis of all his murids. I still have a long way to go!

A word about the Turkish political climate: in all the years I've been in this country, I have never once heard a word spoken against the revered founding father of modern Turkey. I've known people who thought it was "cool" and "modern" to say vile things about our Prophet :saw:, or even boast about how they didn't even fear Allah (hashaa), but never, not even once, have I heard the father of modern Turkey being criticized. Access to YouTube was blocked in the whole country for 2 whole years after somebody on the other side of the world uploaded a video "insulting" him. One is considered a traitor to the country (or an enemy of the state) to criticize him or oppose his teachings. Journalists and authors have been jailed, deported, etc. for writing something that could be interpreted in this light.

Now, the founding father of modern Turkey was firmly opposed to religious extremism, and warned that if the government's secularism was compromised by religious people getting into positions of influence, the "religious fanatics" could very quickly take over the country and turn Turkey into "another Iran", where women are stoned for walking the streets with their heads exposed or whatever.

So there is currently a very weird polarization in this country. Weird for an outsider like me, I mean. You can be modern, educated and enlightened, OR you can be backward, religious and ignorant. Religious practicing Muslims are a potential threat to the status quo, and are banned from state institutions (at least, they shouldn't "flaunt" their beliefs with beards or headscarves etc.). Imams and mufti are state-employed, and therefore must abide by Turkish secular law. If ANYBODY were to criticize certain policies they could be denounced as anti-Turkish, but if the person who did this was a Shaikh, he could find that life was made very difficult for his murids.

At the moment, our Shaikh is tolerated because he appears "benign", and also because he's served the general population, I suppose - last year a few busfuls of heroin and crack addicts were sent to his village and they all returned three days later cured of their addictions. The media made fun of this, with headlines like "now they're curing mental illness with Salah!!", with big blown-up pictures of nameless men with exaggerated turbans and women kissing their hands (which would NEVER happen with a Sha'afi Shaikh!!). However, a few years ago our Shaikh, his brothers and father, were turned out of village after village because the locals were so uncomfortable of the stigma attached to having a "religious man" in residence.

The current Prime Minister's wife wears a headscarf, and when he was elected, my inbox brimmed over with emails from normally perfectly sane and rational friends of mine, complete with PowerPoint presentations charting out how Turkey would go from "this" (photograph of "modern" Istanbul girls wearing miniskirts and drinking Starbucks coffee) to "this" (photograph of hundreds of women draped in black, with only a net slit for the eyes). Apparently the new Prime Minister was a secret Naqshibendi "fanatic" and had "fooled" the public into voting for him, and now he was going to "cunningly" introduce religion back into all state institutions. Every single day I still get emails "uncovering" some new "religious conspiracy".

Bla bla bla.

In this kind of a political climate, you can probably appreciate how many murids choose to keep a low profile if they live in "modern" cities. However, having said that, I don't know any female murids apart from myself who haven't yet adopted hijab in some form, even if it means that they can't go to university - and I haven'T heard of any male murids being persecuted for wearing a beard in the city etc. In some parts of the country, like Konya, you would look almost naked WITHOUT a beard and one of those little caps they wear (I forget what it's called).

You can also appreciate why I wouldn't have heard if our Shaikh disapproved of the government.

Hold on, let me post this before I continue - I may be interrupted at any minute.

:ws:

[London786]

jazakalllah khairan for ur answer....seems like life in turkey is complicated.....i mean with the muslims in the uk ive come across a lot of non-practicing people but the vast majority have a lot of love for islam.....ive never heard any muslim insult the prophet SAW........astaghfirullah......

please answer the rest of my questions when u get time.....

[ENIGMA]

What Kayra posted is true. I mean about the political climate in Turkey.

[kayra]

:salam:

Sorry for the interruption. Regarding your other questions, I'm embarassed to say that I've never heard of the two jamaat you mentioned, although I've learnt that the Turkish for the former is Jemaat-i Teblig. I hope you can get answers from some other murids, or ask our Shaikh yourself.

The letayif dhikr starts at 21 thousand repetitions, and I believe is "completed" in some way at 101 thousand. Obviously murids at this advanced level spend many hours doing their dhikr, but it is against adap to ask too many questions about it. But if 5000 repetitions takes from 20 to 45 minutes, I should imagine that advanced murids devote a large portion of their day to dhikr. You're right - I have no idea what happens after the letayif. I've heard about murids who are in an advanced stage, and am told that they see and hear and experience things that I can't even grasp. Insha'Allah you will meet some of these when you visit.

Our Shaikh and his family and most devoted murid of course perform the tahajjud regularly. On the other end of the scale there are murid who aren't even prescribed the beginners' 5000 repetitions of dhikr. What I'M trying to explain is that our Shaikh won't burden a murid's nafs with anything that might make him give up or rebel after a few months. Even the daily tests that we are given, with Allah's permission, are tailor-made. Some of us aren't strong enough to bear really tough events with grace and stoicism, and some murids have reported very stange "side effects" when they have done things without our Shaikh's advice, like increasing their daily dhikr by 3000 repetitions because they "felt they were ready".

I'm digressing again. I spoke to the local representative of the sisters (the representative is the one who decides when something should be asked directly to our Shaikh, etc.). She has promised to contact the village to ask for the email address of a resident murid (it's usually best to speak to somebody who actually lives there, as they do salah with our Shaikh every day, and see him and speak to him every day - please remember I am only a very lowly and very ignorant murid - Insha'Allah I'm saying this sincerely - I am not an authority on our Shaikh in any way, but I haven'T seen any other of his murids here on the forum yet, and I really want to answer your questions sufficiently so that your brother will feel satisfied and go and see for himself. It's really the only way. No amount of information can replace the knowldge felt by the heart.)

By the way, I asked about birthday parties and music =) Nobody has an answer for the birthday party question (it's not really a part of traditional Turkish culture anyway) but music, while not forbidden, is strongly advised against. Anything which nourishes the nafs is advised against.

:jazak: for this opportunity to learn a few more things about my own Shaikh and tariqa!

:ws:

[umar_italy]

1. How strict is the shaykh and mureeds on the sunnah.......by sunnah i mean everything...beard, trousers above ankles, eating, drinking, sleeping, avoiding interest etc....

:ws:

Shaykh Mahmud Effendi's jama`ah is the "strongest" one in calling to the Sunnah and you can easily recognize its murids: women in black Çarşaf (very similar to Iranian chador), and men with Sunnah beard, large turkish pants (şalwar), large shirt (qamis) and jubbah.
But trousers are often below the ankles (not always, there are also some who have them above): I discussed this issue with a brother, who told me that in common Turkish Hanafi manuals, to have garments below the ankles is deemed Makruh only if done with pride, while if without pride is "fine", and having them above the ankles is "simply a Sunnah". Which looks similar to the "Barelwi" position..
The strange fact is that even if they don't deem as makruh/haram to have them under the ankles, that's nonetheless is the Sunnah, so why they - who in all the other things are quite strict on the Sunnah - don't practise on this too? Allahu a`lam!


2. Do the above mentioned shaykhs support the government........e.g. do they praise the government or are they critical?

They don't and can't love the State, and you can find some video quite vocal in its critics, but nothing similar to what can be done and said in Pakistan, where the freedom is far greater.
Turkey is changing alhamduliLlah, but not so fast, and speaking openly could be dangerous.


5. What are the contact details of the shuyukh?

Shaykh Mahmud Effendi in this period is in his private residance in the Asiatic part of Istanbul. I rather suggest you to visit Ismail Ağa Camii in Çarşamba, Fatih, Istanbul.
From Fatih Camii is quite easy to arrive there.


6. What is the zikr they do? loud or quiet...what do begineers do and how advanced do people get.

Naqshbandi dhikr is khafi, silent.


8. What do the shuyukh think of tableegh jamaat or ulema-e-deoband

A Turkish brother - who studied arabic in an institute whose scholars studied in "pakistan deoband" (sic!) - told me about another Shaykh, Shaykh İsmail Çetin - who runs a madrasa in Antalya - who appreciate Deobandi `ulama', and I think Mufti Husain posted something about the links of Shaykh Mahmud Efendi with some Deobandi scholar.

You can also find some books of Deobandi Akabir translated in Turkish; I remember having be so happy to find Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi books in Istanbul bookshops!


im looking forward to some answers......:cheesygri by the way umar italy im waiting for ur article on ur journey...........

Bro it would be too much stuff, it's better if we talk in msn..

:ws:

[umar_italy]

The media made fun of this, with headlines like "now they're curing mental illness with Salah!!", with big blown-up pictures of nameless men with exaggerated turbans and women kissing their hands (which would NEVER happen with a Sha'afi Shaikh!!).

:salam:

Please, let me reformulate this sentence.

"and women kissing their hands (which would NEVER happen with a Shaikh!!)."

No, wait again, another time.

"and women kissing their hands (which would NEVER happen with a non-mahram male."

Ok, now it's fine! :p

:ws:

[kayra]

:salam:

Please, let me reformulate this sentence.

"and women kissing their hands (which would NEVER happen with a Shaikh!!)."

No, wait again, another time.

"and women kissing their hands (which would NEVER happen with a non-mahram male."

Ok, now it's fine! :p

:ws:

:salam:

Haha, thanks, brother, I stand corrected.

Speaking of sisters kissing the hands of Shaikhs -

I have been told that there are indeed Shaikhs connected with quite respected orders, whose hands are kissed by sisters. They explain this by calling it "ilm-i siyaset", which I think means something like "informed and intentional diplomacy and tact".

I have also heard this term applied when a brother or sister is very polite to somebody's face, then later says something like "They have no idea what they're talking about." When accused of riya (two-facedness), they say that they are being purposefully diplomatic.

Is there such a concept?

:ws:

[London786]

sister there is no such concept......no shaykh should allow females to kiss his hands.....could u answer the rest of my questions......

[kayra]

sister there is no such concept......no shaykh should allow females to kiss his hands.....could u answer the rest of my questions......

:salam:

Apologies for the delay, but I contacted some sisters with more experience and was actually waiting for an email address to give to you, for you to ask your questions directly.

However, I'll continue to the best of my ability until I can put you in touch with an English-speaking murid with more experience.

You asked about Kurds: There is a huge number of Kurdish Murids, also Arab. I also saw some Japanese sisters there, actually, and met some Germans. I'm afraid I don't know about the deen of Kurds in general, I guess it varies from person to person like with any race.

I've heard our Shaikh and his family speak a language to each other which sounded Arabic, but I couldn't tell you for sure - it could have been Kurdish. But I'm sure he must be fluent in Arabic. For that matter, he's said to know English as well, but I've never verified this in person (a murid was translating for him once, and he turned to him and said "If you're going to skip words, you shouldn't accept the responsibility of translating!")

Have any of the murids seen our Prophet (SAW) in a wakeful state? Apparently, yes. Apparently, He has also been seen at Menzil. I'm a bit hazy on this concept. Most of the murids there are so full of jezba - which I think could be loosely translated as ecstasy or passion? - that I'm not quite sure whether they're seeing things with their eyes or heart. Once, one of our Shaikh's family was getting married, and the brothers were "celebrating" (I don't know what this involved, probably prayers? All I know is that it was a very special occasion, with brothers and sisters honoring the event separately). Suddenly, all the Sayyid (the word they use for descendants of our beloved Prophet :saw:) stood in adap (heads bowed, arms folded), and then our Shaikh stood in adap, and everybody started getting jazba, and apparently this was because our Prophet :saw: was there. I repeat, I'm very hazy on this concept, and I have over two decades of Western conditioning which makes me misinterpret things, but my understanding was that our Prophet :saw: "visits" from time to time. I am also told that when our Shaikh recites the words for repentance, he is hearing our Prophet's :saw: voice directly in his right ear, and repeating after Him.

During rabita - this is the murid-murshid daily meditation - some murids "see" our Shaikh as if he were right there and in front of them, some of them "see" him with their heart, some of them feel him, and some of them just know that he stands before them. I am told that this has a lot to do with the heart latayif - when it is pure and unblemished, the eye of the heart can see clearly, and all "curtains" are drawn aside - this is why babies can see angels and other invisible presences - they haven'T darkened and blinded their heart with sin. This is apparently why murids doing advanced dhikr always seem to be in a different dimension, and seem to "read minds" - they can see what most of us are blind to.

However, some murids have the eye of their heart opened against their will, even before they start doing dhikr. We are told not to question this.

Another factor in the purity of the heart, and one which they give HUGE importance to, is the purity of the source of food. So, not just avoiding haram, but avoiding anything remotely "suspected", like not buying food from a shop where they sell alcohol - of course - or not accepting food from the hands of somebody who deals with money which earns interest, etc.

You mention silsila - isn't that the "pedigree", so to speak? The chain of descendants? Would you like me to post it here?

How have people's lives changed?! Erm, well, you have the heroin addicts who are cured of their addiction and start following the Sunnah. You have the fat rich businessmen who give all their money to the poor and take up a life of trying to serve Allah. You have the women who swap make-up and miniskirts for hijab. You have the depressed and sick who become healthy and faithful. You have the wanderers who finally find direction after decades of seeking.

By the way, I have found several volunteers who will try to answer your specific and detailed questions if I translate them. I am now pretty lost, and am not sure which ones I've left unanswered - apart from the Tabliigh Jamaat / Deoband question, which I have asked, and am awaiting an answer, Insha!Allah. Please have patience with me! Could you specify what else you need to know, please?

:ws:

[kayra]

:salam:

By the way, just to clarify: our Shaikh is not one of those who offer their hands to sisters!!! He will not even look in their direction with his eyes. I found this concept very difficult (insulting) on my first visit. I think I had some cute Western notion of sitting cross-legged at the feet of a friendly bearded guru, chatting to him about life, etc.... :$:D

:ws:

[Rahmaniyyah]

8. What do the shuyukh think of tableegh jamaat or ulema-e-deoband

:salam:

A friend of mine visited Turkey this Summer and was EXTREMELY impressed by Sh. Effendi.

He mentions that their works were essentially Deobandi. I can understand why this link may not readily be advertised but the work is the same. In fact he told me that Sh. Effendi has translated works of the Akabireen and he has just completed the translation of Hayatus Sahabah after 4 years. He translated Fadhail A'maal too. He said that he found a very strong appreciation from his mureeds of the indo-pak 'Ulama and they almost looked up to them. I recall he mentioned an 'Alim who was graduate from a Deobandi madrassah - spoke full Urdu but not sure of his affiliation with Sh. Effendi.

All this from secondary source so don't quote me or blame me, but I believe this to be true as far as I know him.

:ws:

[seeker_ikb]

:salam:

By the way, just to clarify: our Shaikh is not one of those who offer their hands to sisters!!! He will not even look in their direction with his eyes. I found this concept very difficult (insulting) on my first visit. I think I had some cute Western notion of sitting cross-legged at the feet of a friendly bearded guru, chatting to him about life, etc.... :$:D

:ws:

Thanks for your posts. In Last May I was in Istanbul and became confused about some issues. Your posts has removed my confusions to a great extent.

When you leave Turkey, you get this impression that Tasawwuf is under attack in Turkey in many subtle ways.

[London786]

brother seeker i sent an email...did u get it.

[Abu Salma]

:salam:

Are Shaykh 'Abdul-Baqi al-Husayni and Shaykh Mahmud Efendi both murshids in their own right or is the latter the former's khalifa?

In other words, what is their connection?

[kayra]

:salam:

Are Shaykh 'Abdul-Baqi al-Husayni and Shaykh Mahmud Efendi both murshids in their own right or is the latter the former's khalifa?

In other words, what is their connection?

:salam:

My knowledge of Shaykh Mahmut Efendi is extremely limited. Most of it comes from a sister who left him to join our Shaykh a few years ago (and I have no idea why, because she says that Mahmut Efendi was a great Shaikh). I don't know of any connection at all.

This is the silsile chain of Shaikh Abdulbaki el-Husayni. The spelling is adapted from the Turkish, so if any name seems really unfamiliar, try saying it out loud a few times and you'll probably understand what I was trying to write!

Hz. Muhammed (saw)
Hz. Ebubekr Siddik (ra)
Selman-i Farisi Hz. (ra)
Ebu Muhammed Kasim Hz. (ra)
Imam Jafer-i Sadik Hz. (ra)
Bayezid-i Bistami
Ebu Hasen Harakani
Ebu Ali Farmedi
Haje Yusuf Hemedani i
Abdülhalik Güjdevani
Haje Arif-i Rivegeri
Haje Mahmud Injiri Faghnevi
Haje Ali Ramiteni
Muhammed Baba Semmasi
Seyyid Emir Külal
Shah-i Nakshibend
Alaeddin Attar
Yakub-i Cherhi
Ubeydullah Ahrar
Mevlana Muhammed Zahid
Mevlana Dervish Muhammed
Haje Muhammed Emkeneki
Muhammed Baki Billah
Imam-i Rabbani
Muhammed Ma’sum
Mevlana Muhammed Seyfeddin Faruki
Seyyid Nur Muhammed Bedauni
Mirza Mazhar Jan-i Janan
Abdullah-i Dihlevi
Mevlana Halid-i Baghdadi
Mevlana Seyyid Abdullah Hakkari
Seyyid Taha Hakkari
Seyyid Sibgatullah Arvasi
Abdurrahman Tahi
Fethullah Verkanisi
Muhammed Diyaeddin Nurshini
Ahmed Haznevi
Gavs Seyyid Abdulhakim Bilvanisi el-Huseyni
Seyyid Muhammed Rashid el-Huseyni
Gavs-i Sani Seyyid Abdulbaki el-Huseyni

I believe Seyyid Abdulhakim el-Huseyni was the first to come to Turkey (from Syria). He was the father of our current Shaikh, and is buried in Menzil, may Allah be pleased with him and have mercy on all our souls.

:ws:

[Abu Salma]

:ws:

JazakiLlahu khayran.

[Slave-Of-Allah]

Asalamualaykum w w

Inshallah some brother is planning to go turkey in the near future.......he would like to meet shaykh mahmud effendi and shaykh abdul baki.........but before he meets them he has some queries..




As salamu alaikum brother,

What happend did the brother go and did he meet them ? If so what was his experience with them especially with Shaykh Abdul Baki

[hussainahmed]

very interested and happy on learning that turkey has many great saints. do these shoyookh have a khankah or a place of residence where a person can go for spiritual rectification.?

[seeker_ikb]

very interested and happy on learning that turkey has many great saints. do these shoyookh have a khankah or a place of residence where a person can go for spiritual rectification.?

Yes, Shaykh Abdul Baki (DB) has a khanqah in his native village called Menzil located in Adiyaman in Turkey.

[hussainahmed]

i would like to visit both shaykh abul baki and shaykh mahmood. i would like to know what language they speak and how would a person from the uk communicate with them.

jaza kallah

[kayra]

i would like to visit both shaykh abul baki and shaykh mahmood. i would like to know what language they speak and how would a person from the uk communicate with them.

jaza kallah

:salam:

Our Shaykh (Abdulbaki) doesn't speak much :) But his whole family speaks at least Arabic and Turkish that I've heard myself. But there are always multi-lingual mureeds there. Just last week I called up a resident mureed (a sister who stays there long-term) and she was telling me about some sisters who came that day from China!

:ws:

[Khali]

Asalamualaykum w w

Inshallah some brother is planning to go turkey in the near future


:salam:

It will be a tough job to find a real shaykh in Turkey.

:ws:

[Abdul Majeed]

:salam:

Our Shaykh (Abdulbaki) doesn't speak much :) But his whole family speaks at least Arabic and Turkish that I've heard myself. But there are always multi-lingual mureeds there. Just last week I called up a resident mureed (a sister who stays there long-term) and she was telling me about some sisters who came that day from China!

:ws:

:salam:
I am from Poland, sister ;) I know some Polish murids of seyyid Abdul Baki :-)

Can you post me some info in English about him? I have never ever heard him talking, although there are lots of films "praising" him (singing about him) on youtube. I know some of his murids in London (they are Turkish), living in Hackney and going to Aziziye Camii (Mosque).

About sheikh Mahmud efendi Ustaosmanoglu I know even less, because I don't know any murids of him.

[Vedat]

Selamualejkum!

Let's say, I am new to faith. So, please, tolerate my ignorance :) .

One thing is for sure, I would love to meet this man, InshAllah.

Is this possible to go and visit whenever you want?

Can You say something about this:

''Silent dhikr, under a (white) cover. Novices start off with 5000 repetitions, and do dhikr with their heart. Advanced murids do dhikr with their other letayyif as well (forehead, etc.). I'm an extreme novice, so I'm not the best person to give details on this.'', like kayra said?

Can I, an extreme ''beginner'' start with this on my own?

I have a friend who has visited shaikh Abdul Baki and he knows a lot of things, but I also wanted to ask You the above as well.

I have so many questions :)

May Allah reward You all with health and knowledge, InshAllah.

[London786]

you cannot start this on your own. Ideally you should spend around 5-10 days with the shaykh and learn this method and gain constancy as zikr khafi or quiet zikr requires immense concentration and dedication. Please fire away with your questions as there are many scholars on this forum and generally many people to get advice from. Tell us what you know about shaykh abdul baki db and how did your friend find it when he went there?

[kayra]

:salam:

No, you cannot start the Naqshband dhikr lesson itself on your own, but if you are unable (financially, etc.) to visit Shaykh Abdulbaki, then you can receive instructions from a wakil and start like that.

Until you find a wakil, by all means perform silent dhikr 24/7! Simply try to hear the sound of your own heart saying Allah, Allah. Remember Allah all the time. Every time you remember Allah without making a sound, that is silent dhikr.

InshaAllah you become one of those who "remember Allah, standing, sitting, and reclining, and consider the creation of the heavens and the earth".

:ws:

[Vedat]

Tell us what you know about shaykh abdul baki db and how did your friend find it when he went there?

Well, I don't know anything about the shaikh except what he looks like and where he lives. I heard some other, ''miracle'' like things as well, but I don't know if it is appropriate to mention them. It is not clear to me yet, how my friend got to the knowledge of this man. Other friends say that it was a kind of a ''mystical'' experience for this friend of mine. I must ask him that, right after I inform him why I want to know and ask him if he is willing to share it with others.

Selam.

[Vedat]

:salam:

No, you cannot start the Naqshband dhikr lesson itself on your own, but if you are unable (financially, etc.) to visit Shaykh Abdulbaki, then you can receive instructions from a wakil and start like that.

Until you find a wakil, by all means perform silent dhikr 24/7! Simply try to hear the sound of your own heart saying Allah, Allah. Remember Allah all the time. Every time you remember Allah without making a sound, that is silent dhikr.

InshaAllah you become one of those who "remember Allah, standing, sitting, and reclining, and consider the creation of the heavens and the earth".

:ws:

Who / what is a wakil?

Maybe my friend is a wakil? :)

I am trying to perform silent dhikr, maybe not in the true sense because I move my tongue without opening my mouth. But the first time I say Allah, an awful thought comes to my mind without me willing it. I don't want this to happen, but it just does. So, my dhikr is ruined, I think. My friend told me it is ''them'' trying to turn me away from it all because since the last ramadan I have changed a lot. I don't drink anymore, don't smoke pot, I try not to swear, I try not to think bad of people even tough they behave as they are bad, try not to loose my temper, etc. Just before the ramadan I started to see different signs that showed me that I should go the Islam way. I felt great, full of energy, full of love for people, inspired. Allah brought me together with people that even more increased this positive experience and some of them visited the shaikh. (I am not bragging about it, just want to share) But I will not let these awful thoughts bring me down. InshAllah.
I would like to meet this man because I think that he could bring me even closer, deeper into faith. Maybe I will never meet him. But I know everything happens with Allah's permission. Maybe, if I do things the right way and ask the right way, Allah will bring me closer to Him. Allah knows best. I thank Him for everything that He has given me in life and I pray to Him that He is content with me.
EL HAMDU LILLAHI RABBIL’ALEMIN ERRAHMANI RRAHIM MALIKI JEVMIDDIN IJJAKE NA’BUDU VE IJJAKE NESTE’IN IHDINE SSIRATAL MUSTEKIM SIRATALLEZINE EN’AMTE’ ALEJHIM GAJRIL MAGDUBI’ ALEJHIM
VELE DDALLIN - Amin

[kayra]

:salam:

A wakil is a murid of the Shaykh who is authorized by the Shaykh to carry out certain duties in his absence - particularly overseas. Also, a wakil is supposed to help you with minor issues like dream interpretation etc. They are able to call up the Shaykh and ask him questions when necessary. Your murid friend should know of a nearby wakil (vekil) if he isn't one himself. By the way, your name sounds Turkish - are you?

If awful thoughts come into the mind whenever you think the word "Allah", it could be Shaytaan - or it could simply be your nafs. Just ignore. You're not trying to "perform" anything, just to think of Allah the way your mind is filled with thoughts of anybody you love. Ignore the static/ interference, just gently keep your mind connected to Allah - just keep in mind that He is seeing you at all times. He is aware when "alien" thoughts pop into your mind, and knows better than you where they originate from. Relax.

If just the word "Allah" is connected with bad thoughts in your mind, try thinking of one of His attributes or names instead, or think "SubhanAllah" or "alhamdulillah", or pray without using words at all. This is all dhikr.

:ws:

[Abdul Majeed]

ve Alejkum Selam!
Brother Vedat, where do you live? You are Bosnian, right?
I live sheikh's Wakil (Vekil) who lives in London, his name is Fahri Baltan and he is imam in Aziziye Camii in Hackney, East London, UK.

[Vedat]

:salam:

By the way, your name sounds Turkish - are you?


:ws:

I come from Bosnia and Herzegovina and the majority is Muslim with Turkish, Persian and Arabic names.

Selam.

[idk786]

my brother is visting istanbul in a few weeks and would like to meet Shayk effendi. does anyone know who he can contact to facilitate a meeting with him as we are english speaking only

[seeker_ikb]

my brother is visting istanbul in a few weeks and would like to meet Shayk effendi. does anyone know who he can contact to facilitate a meeting with him as we are english speaking only

If Shaykh Mahmud Effendi (DB) has mureeeds in your brother's country of residence , then it might be easier for your brother to meet the shaykh.

Where does your brother live ?

[idk786]

he lives in cape town, south africa

[seeker_ikb]

he lives in cape town, south africa

Typically people visit a sufi shaykh for several reasons

1. to check if his heart gets attracted to the shaykh . And if attracted , make pledge ( bayah ) with him.
2 to request the shaykh to make Dua for him.
3. spend some time in the majlis of the shaykh so that Divine grace falls on him. Because , When Allah looks at his beloved servant with Divine mercy , the companions of the beloved servants can be benefitted.

If your brother wants to visit the shaykhs in Turkey for the first reason, then he should first
visit sufi shaykhs in his locality . In South Africa , there are a good number of sufi shaykhs .

One such shaykh is Mawlana Yunus Patel (DB)

http://yunuspatel.co.za/index.php

Another shaykh is Shaykh Abdul Qadir (DB ) as shown in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1TtrDEwo_4&feature=related

[idk786]

he is well acquainted with mashaikh of our country and he would like to visit for point 2 and 3 mainly. do you know of any english speaking mureeds of shaykh effendi either in south africa or turkey who could guide him?

[Abdul Majeed]

Only English speaking student of sheikh Mahmud ef. Ustaosmanoglu that I know is sheikh Naeem Abdul Wali from Texas, USA...

[idk786]

Jazakallah, do you have contact details for sheikh abdul wali?

[seeker_ikb]

Jazakallah, do you have contact details for sheikh abdul wali?

http://www.naeemabdulwali.com/

[seeker_ikb]

he is well acquainted with mashaikh of our country and he would like to visit for point 2 and 3 mainly. do you know of any english speaking mureeds of shaykh effendi either in south africa or turkey who could guide him?

May be , this thread will be helpful for your brother's purpose.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?44601-Any-true-Sufi-Shaykh-in-Istanbul-amp-Muslim-life-in-Turkey/

[Muhammed Bahauddin]

Bismillah,
as-salamu 'alaykum,

I'm also an english speaking (former) Student of Shaykh Mahmud Effendi :)

When does he want to go to Istanbul? Perhaps I'll be there also in this time. If not, he has to go to Ismail Aga Mosque, Fatih, Carsamba. There he can talk with the Office and they will direct him to Shaykh Mahmud Effendi, who's right now not living anymore in Fatih, and has moved to Beykoz, an asian part of Turkey.



But trousers are often below the ankles (not always, there are also some who have them above): I discussed this issue with a brother, who told me that in common Turkish Hanafi manuals, to have garments below the ankles is deemed Makruh only if done with pride, while if without pride is "fine", and having them above the ankles is "simply a Sunnah". Which looks similar to the "Barelwi" position..

Well, the trousers are meant to be weared on the belly - but most of the people wear it under the belly, and so the trouser slips down below the ankel. I know of some Students that, that had real issues with this and their Hocas/Shuyukh in the Madrasa were very harsh against wearing it below the ankles. Also if you go to a tailor in the district there, they'll never measure below your ankles, always above - but up to your belly, how Shaykh Mahmud is wearing it.

You will find many of Shaykh Mahmud Effendis, and whole Turkeys Ulamas positions, as near to "barelwi", and how you described it, is excatly how they understand and teach it.

[seeker_ikb]

Bismillah,
as-salamu 'alaykum,

I'm also an english speaking (former) Student of Shaykh Mahmud Effendi :)



Its great to know that you live in Germany. I live near Dortmund. In the past, I asked some Turkish people about tekke belonging to the mureeds of Shaykh Mahmud Effendi (DB). They could not give me any info.

Do you know anything about this ? Any tekke in Dortmund ? or in , Colgne ?

[Muhammed Bahauddin]

wa alaykum salam dear bro.,

You can get in touch with me and also visit our website, www.ahlu-sunnah.de

There are some Muridin of Shaykh Mahmud Effendi, who can help you!

[Abdul Majeed]

wa alaykum salam dear bro.,

You can get in touch with me and also visit our website, www.ahlu-sunnah.de

There are some Muridin of Shaykh Mahmud Effendi, who can help you!

Brother, dont I already know you?

[muddessir]

Essalamu alaikum ve rahmatullahi ve berakatuhu, Bismillahirrahmanirrahiim


My post will be about Shaykh Mahmud Effendi

I am happy to saying that i am one of his weak male follower, of course this doesnt mean that i would say always good about him. anyway here are some details about Shaykh Mahmud Effendi.

-well memorized kuran, well educated on tafsir,hadidth and other islamic studies.
-well understanding ehli sunnah vel cemaat path.
-his saying and his life correct each other.
-Most of his close student are become scholar and they preach million people on ehlisunnah path.
- he organized a lot of institu(madrasa,school etc) which focused on memorizing quran and learning islamic study from traditional books in arabic and ottoman turkish language.
-his close student also have their own islamic organizations,magazine etc.
-whatever action he do, it is most probably Rasulullah(s.a.v) could done. such a drink water ,eating,sleeping right side,giving with right hand taking with right hand,way to pray,way to zikr,visiting sick people, silai rahim,nafilah ibadeh, always smile.
-less sleep more ibadeh,teeccud.(he especially advice that sleep early and do ibadeh at night after teeccud)
-his classic sentence is "we have to work hard to ibadeh"
-if he see something against to kuran or sunnah unfortunately his face will be sad. and he dont pass without try to fix it.
-if you meet with him first thing he try to correct your mistakes. Like he would touch your face and try to find your beard.
-you cant see him in same frame with any lady.
-when he come to istanbul(fatih,carsamba) he start in mosque as a imam, first thing he did visit neighbors around the mosque and told them i am your new imam in the mosque,if you need help please let me know, i am also expecting you come to the mosque.
-He beliave kerameh but he says that following sunnah is the most important karamah, our way is preach and following the islam properly not looking after karamah.
-currently he is very old,cannot speak properly,travelling on wheelchair(May Allah make it easy for him)

May Allah correct me if i done any mistake

Allahummasalli ala seyyidina Muhammedin ve ala ali seyyidina Muhammed

s.a

[Abu Salma]

:bism:

Wa 'alaykum us-salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

Thank you for sharing that, brother Mudessir. :)

[SeekerOfGuidance]

Essalamu alaikum ve rahmatullahi ve berakatuhu, Bismillahirrahmanirrahiim


My post will be about Shaykh Mahmud Effendi

I am happy to saying that i am one of his weak male follower, of course this doesnt mean that i would say always good about him. anyway here are some details about Shaykh Mahmud Effendi.

-well memorized kuran, well educated on tafsir,hadidth and other islamic studies.
-well understanding ehli sunnah vel cemaat path.
-his saying and his life correct each other.
-Most of his close student are become scholar and they preach million people on ehlisunnah path.
- he organized a lot of institu(madrasa,school etc) which focused on memorizing quran and learning islamic study from traditional books in arabic and ottoman turkish language.
-his close student also have their own islamic organizations,magazine etc.
-whatever action he do, it is most probably Rasulullah(s.a.v) could done. such a drink water ,eating,sleeping right side,giving with right hand taking with right hand,way to pray,way to zikr,visiting sick people, silai rahim,nafilah ibadeh, always smile.
-less sleep more ibadeh,teeccud.(he especially advice that sleep early and do ibadeh at night after teeccud)
-his classic sentence is "we have to work hard to ibadeh"
-if he see something against to kuran or sunnah unfortunately his face will be sad. and he dont pass without try to fix it.
-if you meet with him first thing he try to correct your mistakes. Like he would touch your face and try to find your beard.
-you cant see him in same frame with any lady.
-when he come to istanbul(fatih,carsamba) he start in mosque as a imam, first thing he did visit neighbors around the mosque and told them i am your new imam in the mosque,if you need help please let me know, i am also expecting you come to the mosque.
-He beliave kerameh but he says that following sunnah is the most important karamah, our way is preach and following the islam properly not looking after karamah.
-currently he is very old,cannot speak properly,travelling on wheelchair(May Allah make it easy for him)

May Allah correct me if i done any mistake

Allahummasalli ala seyyidina Muhammedin ve ala ali seyyidina Muhammed

s.a

:jazak: brother. Please could you stay on this forum and relate more accounts of your Shaykh.

:ws:

[Acacia]

:jazak: to all on this thread, very useful information. Sister Kayra, I especially found details in your posts very helpful.

:salam:

[beyinsel]

selamun aleykum my brodhers
i recently returned from menzil - adiyaman (in fact today)
i visited seyyid Abdulbaki (k.s.)...

i am living in istanbul...

i will write something about seyyid Abdulbaki and his way...(they will be good things)
but i am a bit tired :))
(within a few days inshallah)

selamun aleykum

[Abu Salma]

Wa alaykum us-salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

Can't wait to hear more! :)

[beyinsel]

Selamun Aleykum friends,
I stayed in 2 days in menzil.
we have prayed behind Sayyid Ğavs Abdulbaki Hz.
The crowd was normal.
There was a group from Kazakhstan.
There were from Germany.
it was beautiful.
Despite a large mosque, the crowd does not fit anymore.
For this reason, I think this summer, they will enlarge the mosque.
(Tiles are removed at this time.)
Menzil is beautiful. Because of Located in Allah's mercy.
When you go, you feel the spiritual air.
I would recommend it to anyone.

In the meantime, this Monday (27 February 2012)
Ğavs (Hz.) will come to Istanbul inshallah.
I do not know, how long to stay in Istanbul.
Hi will come to be treated.
If it open to visitors and can be visited in Istanbul.
I write inshallah when I learn it, maybe friends might be interested in

Now,
I saw this site by chance a short time ago
Obviously, I could not read the writing.
I will tell you some things about this subject my next writing, but I do not know what level Brothers here.
Therefore, Why you must enter this way? Why you should obtain a guide?
Did not achieve on its own people?
I Try to explain as best I can for everyone, step by step.
happily for me, if useful.

Maybe, my English can not be enough for such a deep subject.
if you turn me for the incomprehensible places
i try to explain in a different way inshallah.

Selamun Aleykum,

[SeekerOfGuidance]

Selamun Aleykum friends,
I stayed in 2 days in menzil.
we have prayed behind Sayyid Ğavs Abdulbaki Hz.
The crowd was normal.
There was a group from Kazakhstan.
There were from Germany.
it was beautiful.
Despite a large mosque, the crowd does not fit anymore.
For this reason, I think this summer, they will enlarge the mosque.
(Tiles are removed at this time.)
Menzil is beautiful. Because of Located in Allah's mercy.
When you go, you feel the spiritual air.
I would recommend it to anyone.

In the meantime, this Monday (27 February 2012)
Ğavs (Hz.) will come to Istanbul inshallah.
I do not know, how long to stay in Istanbul.
Hi will come to be treated.
If it open to visitors and can be visited in Istanbul.
I write inshallah when I learn it, maybe friends might be interested in

Now,
I saw this site by chance a short time ago
Obviously, I could not read the writing.
I will tell you some things about this subject my next writing, but I do not know what level Brothers here.
Therefore, Why you must enter this way? Why you should obtain a guide?
Did not achieve on its own people?
I Try to explain as best I can for everyone, step by step.
happily for me, if useful.

Maybe, my English can not be enough for such a deep subject.
if you turn me for the incomprehensible places
i try to explain in a different way inshallah.

Selamun Aleykum,

:jazak: brother

Yes it'll be beneficial :insh: and don't worry about your english - it is comprehensible.

[beyinsel]

Sorry my Brodhers, i am little late :)

Okey, Let's Start:

Bismillahirrahmanirrahim.
Firstly, Elhamdullillah
and Allahumme salli ala sayyidina Mohammedin ve ala ali Sayyidina Mohammed.

Now, I am going to talk about Gavs Abdulbaki and his manner briefly.
But before I do this, I must explain some points because without knowing about these points, you can’t understand the importance of others.
This issue is very long and deep. I will try to explain briefly. If you read till the end, it will be beneficial for you, I hope.

What is the meaning of Gavs ?
It is named as ‘The Pole of Poles’ as well. Gavs is used in the meaning of ‘conducive’, especially when he is asked for help. Gavs isn’t a position that is originated newly. For example, Seyyid Abdulkadir-i Geylani lived 1,000 years ago and is known as Gavs-ül Azam (That is, the greatest Gavs).
This is a very great position and there is one Gavs in each period. This position can not be reached with the help of religious service, it is achieved with the grant of Allah (c.c.).
That is, he is like the leader of Saints of that time. He has the power of appointment in the universe. As there will be no prophets after Mohammed (s.a.v.), Allah (c.c.) leads people to the right way with the help of these persons.
Abdulbaki is Sayyid in the same time, that is, he is descendant of Mohammed (s.a.v.).

What is MURSHID-İ KAMIL?
There may be many scholars or saints in the world. But, only the ones with the grade of Murshid-i Kamil can show the true way and lead people completly. So, when you start a new way, the person at the head must be with the grade of Murshid-i Kamil.
These persons know all the illnesses of heart morally and that this is blessing.
Think of the x-ray machine. They see like it does. A person that isn’t Murshid-i Kamil cannot see all the illnesses of heart and although he wants to help his disciple, he damages him instead. Disciple isn’t a toy. He isn’t a guinea pig. Therefore, a person who sees what grade you are and gives a moral remedy according to this grade can be useful for you. He helps you get close to Allah (c.c.).

GAVS-I SANI SAYYID ABDULBAKİ :
Here it is! Gavs-ı Sani Sayyid Abdulbaki is both Gavs and Murshid-i Kamil. That is, he has all superior positions and characteristics in moral universe now.
There is no need to talk about his maturity, grace and manners. He is rewarded with the morals of Mohammed (s.a.v.). It is enough to say ‘Murshid-i Kamil’.
He is a golden opportunity. I am going to talk about the importance and benefits of this in the following parts.

The History of Naqshbandi:
Naqshbandi tariqa didn’t originate lately or it wasn’t made up. Its root goes back to the times when Mohammed (s.a.v.) lived. Then, to the Prophet Ebu Bekir and to the next. It follows like this. And this is named as ‘Golden Sequence’. Seyyid Abdulbaki is from the Naqshbandi tariqa and he performs the methods of it. And the source of these methods is Mohammed (s.a.v.). Besides, something that doesn’t rely on Mohammed (s.a.v.) isn’t right. The person who is at the head of this way isn’t selected unanimously, it is known with the sign from moral universe that he will be at the head of this way.

WHY RELIGIOUS ORDER ?
That is the difference between the religious order and sect. You can attend a religious order and do good things for the sake of religion. There is no disadvantage. But, only the community that has a Murshid-i Kamil as a guide can lead you. That is because Allah (c.c.) assigns this task to the persons with Murshid-i Kamil grade. And so, as Allah (c.c.) assigns them only, he gives the essential information to them also. Because Mohammed (s.a.v.) is last prophet and that is because no prophet after Mohammed, Allah (c.c.) assigns this task to them for telling Quran and Mohammed’s (s.a.v.) way.

WHY SHOULD I HAVE A GUIDE ?
Pray as much as you want, learn scholarship as you want, everything starts and ends in the heart. It is essential for heart to be purified from moral impurity. This helps you get close to Allah (c.c.)
As your heart is purified, you avoid from sins and take pleasure in worship.
You may have difficulties in doing this on your own. It is not impossible but it is very difficult.
Moral guide helps you achieve this more quickly.
Besides, he prevents you from going to the wrong direction in this way.

HOW CAN YOU PURIFY YOUR HEART ? Nefs (Nafs – EGO) GRADES
Every person has nefs (Nafs) and if it is not educated, it causes bad things.
This is a moral existence like spirit in human body.
Besides, Allah (c.c.) creates the human with many abilities.
The head of Nefs is between the eyebrows of people and the arms cover all the abilities, especially the heart.
As there is pressure on these, they can’t move.
There is moral heart at the head of these and it is the centre of decision. As there is pressure there, our decisions are inconsistent. We can’t separate the wrong from the right.
With the help of a guide and learning the essential lessons, Nefs is controlled. As Nefs is controlled, abilities become clear. The heart becomes purified.
The guide is so important that his momentary eyebeam ( his sight into your heart) provides you with the movement that you can’t obtain by struggling for years.
As your heart is purified, he inspires the goodness constantly and makes you go towards the goodness. As the other organs are dependent on heart, it is easy for them to do favor.
The worship, goodness and avoiding from sins that seem difficult before become easy and you take pleasure in worshipping. And this make you get closer to Allah (c.c.).
You go to doctor when you have a problem with your health and are treated. This is like the moral treatment that is done with the help of these guides. There are doctors for every problem. Allah (c.c.) provides them with this ability and they know how to treat the illnesses in the heart.

THE GRADES OF NEFS:
Everything begins with controlling the Nefs.
The Nefs naturally has two sides. It could demand either kindness or evil.
It always demands evil if you do not educate it. It could even go further: the divinity (like the Pharaoh).
There are 7 grades of the Nefs. As the Nefs is educated, it upgrades and it begins to demand kindness instead of evil. I will briefly mention about this situation.
1. Nefs-i Emmare : This is the Nefs that continually demands evil. The person who has this Nefs does not care about right or wrong things. The end of this is catastrophic.
2. Nefs-i Levvame : People in this Nefs do evil but later, they regret doing such things and they appeal for mercy. This situation goes on like this.
3. Nefs-i Mülhime : People in this Nefs begin to enjoy worshiping and doing kindness.
4. Nefs-i Mutmaine : This is the position of sainthood.
5. Nefs-i Radıye : This is the Nefs that is reached by the people who keep nothing but Allah (c.c.) in their hearts.
6. Nefs-i Merdiyye : This is the Nefs that Allah (c.c.) is pleased with. This position is granted to great protectors.
7. Nefs-i Kamile : This is the final stage. A few people can reach up to this position. People who reach up to this position are called ‘Murshid-i Kamil’. This position is granted to people who are called ‘Pole’ or ‘gavs’. They are responsible for educating others from now on. They serve to Allah (c.c.) to the core from now on. And Allah (c.c.) gives the whole universe to them and the world turns around them.
Everyone who is on this way can educate his/her Nefs under the leadership of a spiritual guide. If he/she is intimate and endeavors, he/she can gain a position and can witness spiritual situations that he/she never dreams of.

WHY YOU SHOULD VISIT SHEIKHS:
Sheikhs follow from a distance and spiritually guide. Allah (c.c.) has given them this responsibility. The place does not matter. When you are dependent on this, sheikhs know your situation no matter how far you are. It is enough for you to carry a torch. You should visit them at least once a year. You should stay in the places where sheikhs have been because there are radiance, mercy and grade in the places where sheikhs have been. We can take the advantage of it. Also, it is more useful that sheikhs look to the heart.

THE MIRACLE (Keramet)
This people have the miracle capability. Allah (c.c.) allows them to use this capability but sheikhs do not use their capabilities unless they need to. Sheikhs’ doing the opposite cannot be expected because the miracle is not a toy.
When a follower is in trouble, sheikhs can use their miracle capability to save him/her.
I myself saw Sayyid Abdulbaki’s miracles in both my dreams and everyday life.
Some people go to such places only to witness a miracle. They come up empty-handed. What you intend turns you back. So, you should go such places only to get the allowance of Allah (c.c.)
Let me give you an example: In Makah, there is a place where the sayyids gather (The sayyids are people who are descendants of Mohammed (s.a.v.).). One day, a person who has been new in this way comes to this place. I do not know where he is from but it is certain that he has just become a Muslim. But he is so intimate, his whole body says ‘Allah’ and everyone hears these voices. Everyone gets surprised. That is, Allah (c.c.) grants great positions to the people who behave intimately. Nobody can monopolize these positions.
This is a great happiness and one of the secrets of life. This way is valuable if you want to feel yourself special.
People are not required any money or there are not any profits in this way. The only purpose is to get the allowance of Allah (c.c.). Your prayers and serving are pale in comparison to the prayers that are said by the sayyids.
Think about a person who is so close to Allah (c.c.) and think that this person says prayers by begging for you until morning. His only purpose is to rescue his follower. In this way, if you do something, you do it for yourself. Nobody is forced to do something. If you appreciate this way, you will already follow it.
But you should be careful about two things:
1. We should not quickly expect anything (But there are situations like the thing I have mentioned above.). But your intimacy and efforts can help you progress.

2. All these things can be useful when you worship. For instance, it is difficult for a person to get somewhere unless he/she never performs prayer. The end of this is catastrophic. Even Mohammed (s.a.v.) (s.a.v) cannot help him/her. To get close to Allah (c.c.), people should prayer and avoid doing wrong things.

MURSHID-I KAMIL IS JUST LIKE THIS. HE BOTH PRAYERS FOR YOU AND HELPS YOU EDUCATING YOUR NEFS . HE ALSO SUCCOURS WHEN YOU ARE IN TROUBLE.

ARE THESE ENOUGH? NO, NOT ENOUGH…
OTHER GREAT BLESSINGS:
It is such a great blessing for you to get under the wings of them. They accompany you while the soul ‘SEKARAT’ is leaving your body and they prevent you from dying as an unbeliever.

IS IT ENOUGH? NO, NOT ENOUGH…
MORE:
When you are entombed and everyone leaves you there alone, the sheikh does not leave you alone. He accompanies you and he helps you give the correct answers to the questions asked by the cross angels Münkir and Nekir.

IS IT ENOUGH? NO, NOT ENOUGH…
MORE:
During the last judgment, they will gather under the Mohammed’s(s.a.v.) oriflamme, and we will gather under their oriflamme, I hope. They will hold and will not release our hands there, too.

Now, think:
Do you want to be questioned all alone presence of Allah (c.c.) or do you want Gavs and the others to be with you and hold your hands while begging to Mohammed (s.a.v.)?

Murshid-I Kamil is just like this. He holds your hend both this life and afterlife inshallah.

The careless friend, please wake up!
You will step to a brand new world by following this way or you will carry on living in your ordinary world without being aware of anything.

[beyinsel]

i will write a my dream my next post inshallah...

Selamun Aleykum

[beyinsel]

Bismillahirahmanirrahim...

My Dream:
I had a dream 3 days ago from my mother's death:
(My mother did not have any disease. Suddenly died.)
(20 years ago, was tied this way.
She could not go but she depended wholeheartedly.)

in my dream, I am in a mosque.
Very crowded inside the mosque.
There is a place such as a lodge at the edge of the mosque.
I look at there. There have my family, but not my mother.
I wondered “where is my mother.”

Then a door opened from the front wall of the mosque.
it was a illuminating door.
And then Sayyid Abdulbaki Hz. entered in the bright lights from this door
Behind a coffin, and six people carry the coffin.
He is the lead on those who carry the coffin.
At that time, my mother appeared.
He stood in front of my mother.
I saw, my mother looking at carefully in the coffin.

i did not understand the dream at that time.
3 days later she died suddenly.
After I understood the reason of the dream.

[beyinsel]

Don't Forget Dear Brother;
what community you connected in the world, you will be questioned with them.
Everyone will meet around the leaders of and everybody will call with their imam.

71. On the Day We shall call together all human beings with their (respective) Imams: those who are given their record in their right hand will read it (with pleasure), and they will not be dealt with unjustly in the least. (Al-Isrá)
if you know more information and for other sufis dreams you can visit (sayyidabdulbaki.blogspot) for more information.

Selamun Aleykum my brother

[abdlashay]

MashaAllah the respected Shaikh (Allah preserve him with 'afiyeh) is in Haram sharif these days with a big jamah.

[awais112]

salam, any mureeds of shaykh Mahmud effendi who is English speaking? please contact me