Jesus (pbuh) perished?

[Rasema]

:salam:

I believe Ithat Allah is the one true God and that Muhammad is His slave and messenger.

Therefore, I do not wish to deny any hadeeths or else my shahadat would not be complete.

My point is that you have hadeeths that say one thing and others another.

This hadeeth:
When a delegation of 60 men frm Christian people of Najran came to the Prophet (S), their chief priest discused with him the status of Jesus & asked him as to who Jesus' father was.

Prophet said: 'Do you not know tht a son resembles his father?' They replied: 'Yes'. He said: A lastum ta'lamuna anna rabbana la yamutu wa anna Isa ata 'alaihi-l-fana', i.e., Do you not know that our Lord lives for ever while Jesus perished."

(Asbab an-nuzul, by Imam Abu-l-Hasan Neshapur, publishd in Egypt,p.53



How do I know that this hadeeth is not authentic or that it is not by the Prophet:saw:?


Explaining the Quranic verse, "O Jesus, I will cause thee to die (mutawaffi-ka)", Ibn Abbas is recorded as saying:

"Ibn Abbas said: mutawaffi-ka means I will cause thee to die (mumitu-ka) ."

(Bukhari, Kitab al-Tafsir, on verse 5:110).

Is there a different interpretation of these hadeeths by sunni scholars?

Thank you
:ws:

[Rasema]

I guess these aren't hadeeths?
Is it possible that someone would make up a hadeeth?!

[kunnoori]

[QUOTE=Rasema;417764]:salam:

I believe Ithat Allah is the one true God and that Muhammad is His slave and messenger.

Therefore, I do not wish to deny any hadeeths or else my shahadat would not be complete.

My point is that you have hadeeths that say one thing and others another.

As Salaam U alaikum sister,
There are no contradictions in Quraan and Hadees. It normally so happens that we read and do not understand the correct meaning, especially as lay persons.

For example, your second Quote from Bukhari, Tafseer of Quranic verse from Ch 5: Ayat 110, It is simply not present in the Quraan.

Now read Ayat 117, but here it is Isa (AS) saying 'but when you took me up, You were the watcher over them.' (This would be said on the day of Judgement. )

As for the first Quote, replying to the chief priest, The Prophet (SAW) was only showing the deligation the shallowness of their question, as per their belief. They believed Jesus to be the son of God. And yet he perished????
Does not every know that sons resemble their fathers??? So where was the father????
Allah said BE and thats it.
The Christians beleive he perished and will come back again.
The Quraan says he did not perish but was taken up to come back when the time would be appropriate.

[firaswagner]

There is no contradiction. After his return to earth,he alaihis salam will die a normal death just like any mortal. All of Allah's creation will die while Allah subhanaAllah taala lives forever.

[Rasema]

As for the first Quote, replying to the chief priest, The Prophet (SAW) was only showing the deligation the shallowness of their question, as per their belief. They believed Jesus to be the son of God. And yet he perished????
Does not every know that sons resemble their fathers??? So where was the father????
Allah said BE and thats it.
The Christians beleive he perished and will come back again.
The Quraan says he did not perish but was taken up to come back when the time would be appropriate.
Thank you. This weird Muslim sect believes that he was crusified. If Isa,a.s., was crusifeid that would make him a Christian!

But, this person on you tube is challenging me that I'm a disbeliever in hadeeths.

So we just interpreat the hadeeth differently. Aldough, we know for sure that this is what the Prophet,sallallahu alaihi wassalam,said?

As for the Qur'anic verse. They interpreat the verses differently. I thaught I was smarter that this!

[kayra]

Thank you. This weird Muslim sect believes that he was crusified. If Isa,a.s., was crusifeid that would make him a Christian!

But, this person on you tube is challenging me that I'm a disbeliever in hadeeths.

So we just interpreat the hadeeth differently. Aldough, we know for sure that this is what the Prophet,sallallahu alaihi wassalam,said?

As for the Qur'anic verse. They interpreat the verses differently. I thaught I was smarter that this!

Ummm sister I may be very ill-informed but I don't think that being crucified makes you a Christian. It was the way that the Jews executed people back then, nailing them to a cross-shaped frame of wood and leaving them to die slowly.

Why the Christians later adopted the cross - the symbol of the supposed means of death of their supposed Lord - was one of the many mysteries that befuddled me when I went to church (back in the mists of time). Another mystery was the "eating of his flesh" and "drinking of his blood" every Sunday.

Can you imagine the kind of comments we would get if we symbolically carried around something that caused our beloved Prophet's DEATH, and if our second most important religious festival was commemorating his DEATH, and if we ritualistically munched h,s "flesh" and drank his "blood"???!!! We get enough bad press as it is for sacrificing one lamb or calf once a year!

:ws:

[sudoku]

Ummm sister I may be very ill-informed but I don't think that being crucified makes you a Christian. It was the way that the Jews executed people back then, nailing them to a cross-shaped frame of wood and leaving them to die slowly...:

:salam:

I think you mean the Roman way of executing people, right? :-) And yeah, it was slow and excruciating, sometimes the person would be alive for days on end.

I too was always curious as to why a person would so love the symbol upon which their saviour was put to death.

[Rasema]

:salam:

Ummm sister I may be very ill-informed but I don't think that being crucified makes you a Christian.

True,unless you crucify yourself,obvoiously,on purpose. What I mean by crucified is what the Christians do with hands etc...


:ws:

[kayra]

:salam:

I think you mean the Roman way of executing people, right? :-) And yeah, it was slow and excruciating, something the person would be alive for days on end.

I too was always curious as to why a person would so love the symbol upon which their saviour was put to death.

:salam: sister

Whoops! The Romans, of course. Guess who still remembers the Christian propaganda - "The Jews killed the Son of God!" HAASHAA :frown:

Well, you see, sister, it was supposedly Jesus' death which saved the believers, so maybe that's why they love the crucifix so much. Like I said somewhere else, this for me was one of the weirdest twists of logic I've ever heard. Killing your "own son" so that you can forgive other people. Not to mention the fact that this implies that God was imperfect before Jesus came to the world - incapable of mercy, etc.

:ws:

[kayra]

:salam:


True,unless you crucify yourself,obvoiously,on purpose. What I mean by crucified is what the Christians do with hands etc...


:ws:

:salam:

They're not supposed to do that on purpose :cheesygri The idea is that true believers get spontaneously bleeding hands - stigmata - as a kind of miracle to show how close they are to Jesus or something. A bit like the American thing of having Mary mother of Jesus "appear" on top of a burnt grilled cheese sandwich - it doesn'T count as a miracle if you burn it on purpose in that shape, the miraculous picture has to occur by itself.

May Allah forgive me if laughing at non-Muslims is a sin :confused:

:ws:

[Rasema]

May Allah forgive me if laughing at non-Muslims is a sin :confused:


Assalamu Alikum


“And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allaah, lest they insult Allaah wrongfully without knowledge…” [al-An’aam 6:108]

Here Allaah forbids the believers to insult the mushrikeen lest that leads to them insulting the Lord, may He be glorified and exalted.http://www.*************/en/ref/6453 Islamic qa


Did I understand correctly that it is a sin to insult the stuff they worship?