I never realized...

[Omar HH]

Not to revive the whole "Music is Halal" thread, but at the end of the new Zaid Shakir lecture going around about following the Madhabs, he says that music is mubah! I never realized that.

Anyways thats all I wanted to say,

He says to read Seasons magazine and Dr. Ismail Faruqi's wife has an article on music.

[Mossy]

I agree ;)

Is mubah the same as halal? Ho hum.

[Abu Usama]

mubah means permissable (neither haram, makruh, recomended or compulsary)
So yes, mubah means halal.

I still need to listen to his lecture, inshallah will do soon

[Mossy]

I found this rather interesting excerpt on guidinghelper.com (excerpt of a long page, hence copy n paste instead of link)..



> Now, my question is not so much about music, as I have heard
> many sides, and understand the dominant opinion (ie no strings and
> winds etc.) However my question is this: If Islam was established in
> Medina, (and elsewhere) and instruments were actually Haram (as
> opposed to disapproved of as distractions from more important duties
> as Ibn Khaldun I think felt) why would they be openly used?

The fact of the matter is that the prohibition on music was not as clearly
laid down by the Prophet (May Allah bless him and give him peace) or the
early scholars in Madinah as, for instance, the prohibition on wine and
gambling. This is why the issue of Music will never be properly resolved
on the whole by the scholars of our din unlike the issue for eating pork
for instance.

Ibn `Ajibah writes in his explanation of al-Mabahith al-Asliyah:

"This issue [of musical instruments] is one of [much] disagreement
as no clear primary text has come from the Legislator - and all
affairs are mubah by default until a [clear] prohibition is found. And
[the fact of the matter is that] listening to musical instruments was
not declared unlawful until the idle [wrong-doing] folk took it up
and linked it with drinking wine and fornicating...

[It has been narrated that] a scholar (who condoned [certain] musical
instruments) in the presence of Caliph Harun Rashid said, 'I
attended a wedding feast in Madinah in which the scholars attended.
[There were so many singers at this wedding] that if the house were
to collapse, no singer would remain in Madinah. And the smallest
of the [condoning] scholars present was Imam Malik ibn Anas. So,
they sang [and a man] had a mizhar [i.e. a musical instrument (probably
a tambourine)]; so, they sang [with it] and uttered nasheeds."

[IH: volume 1: page 287: line(s) 28-29: {explanation of verse 202
of the Mabahith}]

Now in the above excerpt, other Maliki scholars could have interpreted
mizhar as applying to other than a tambourine.

I agree with the italicised bits in particular ;)

[Goldi]

I'll be honest. After I heard the audio piece by Shaykh Nuh that eTeacher provided, there was really no doubt as to the halalness of music in my mind.

[seven]

one of the signs of qiyamah...

something to the effect that haraam will become halaal

[Omar HH]

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99276.htm
http://parenting-baby.com/Parenting-Baby-Music-Research/Music-Research.html
http://www.coursework.info/i/5223.html
http://www.pitara.com/discover/earth/online.asp?story=109

On the effect of music on the person.

[Strive4Allah]

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[Strive4Allah]

Where does the hadeeth go ''music breeds hypocrisiy in the heart''?

[seven]

sis seven.
:confused:

[Strive4Allah]

Sorry about that

[seven]

that's ok... you're not the only one that has made that mistake

no names mentioned!

[Strive4Allah]

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[Omar HH]

Agree with sis seven.
Hmm I think mubah and halal have a difference. Not too sure though.

Guiding Helper, Page 35:

259 The third type of legal ruling declares an action as being neutral (mubah) to perform or not to perform.

[Strive4Allah]

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[Mustafa]

I'll be honest. After I heard the audio piece by Shaykh Nuh that eTeacher provided, there was really no doubt as to the halalness of music in my mind.

I'm sorry, but (though I'm sure you didn't intend it) this makes it sound like Shaykh Nuh believes that music is halal. I know you most likely meant that there's no doubt as to the position of music in your mind, however just to clarify Shaykh Nuh's position in relation to what is (apparently) in the Seasons magazine:

From what I've learned from the Shaykh (he's my murshid) is that he considers music haram, and forbids it for himself and his murids, but he points out that there is a fatwa that permits listening to recorded music (though he himself says this position is unreliable as the context in which it was given no longer applies) and so we can't condemn those that listen to it.

If I remember correctly, the fatwa on recorded music (which, I was told, is the same one in Seasons, though correct me if I'm wrong - and Allah knows best) was given in the context of the gramophone way back when, and the mufti who gave it said that this type of music has no effect on the listener. Shaykh Nuh disagrees, saying that today's music definitely has an effect on the listener, and poisons the ruh - and so the reasoning that was given for that fatwa no longer applies today. He states that people of iman and taqwa do not listen to music. He also states that there were some muftis who gave localised fatwas applyable only to the people concerned that permitted some forms of music (designed to be spiritually uplifting) - however, these can't be taken out of their context to make all music halal (and is wrong to do so).

Anyway...my point was that the Shaykh considers music haram, but there is a fatwa (which he labels 'weak') that permits recorded music, and so people who listen to this type cannot be condemned, despite the fact that they are 'poisioning their ruh.' He says that those that listen to records and those muftis that give fatwas that permit it are blind (because they don't understand the effect of music on the listeners). The most important part of what the Shaykh said is this: "people of iman and taqwa do not listen to music." And so, people can argue the differences of opinion on this issue until the end of time, but for those who are striving for taqwa, the ruling is clear...

And Allah knows best

Wa salam
Your brother in Islam

[muslim786]

Sunnipath has a great deal of information regarding the matter of music, all I can say its best avoidable anyway regardless of people giving fatwas saying its permissable, people will try their best to stay away from things in order to gain goodness in this world, so why not apply this to the hereafter too, I say as do many others if in doubt leave it out, what good does music give u that reading Al-Quran, making dhikr or doing salwat-o-salams doesn't?

[Strive4Allah]

Too true