Mullah Omar and the Naqshbandis

[Naqshbandi]

was mullah omar a naqshabandi?Did the mujaddidis fight in the Taliban?

[Alhumdulillah]

Assalamoalaykum...

Yes, I have read that Ameerul Mumineen Mullah Umar is a Naqshbandi. As far as I understand, the Naqshbandi path is more popular in Afghanistan, whilst it seems that in India the Chisti path is more popular.

Wasalaam.

[Abba]

I thought Mullah Omar was a Wahaabi,Bin Laden sure is,

[ahsanirfan]

I thought Mullah Omar was a Wahaabi,Bin Laden sure is,

we've been thru bin laden being wahhabi on another thread... do a search and u'll find it insha Allah

as for Mullah Omar, he is strict Deobandi... as far as I have heard...

[Mujib]

As-Salamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah

[as for Mullah Omar, he is strict Deobandi... as far as I have heard...]

What is this based on, brother? And what exactly does it mean to be a Deobandi?

[Alhumdulillah]

Walaykum Salaam

Deoband is a madressa (Darul Uloom) in India. Deobandis are people who follow the system of this school (which is strongly in accordance with Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah) and its many associated madressas in the Indian Subcontinent and elsewhere in the world.

Ameerul Mumineen Mullah Omar is a Deobandi as far as I know, Alhumdulillah, he sent a message to the Deoband Conference which was held in 2001:

http://www.jamiat.org.za/al-jamiat/june/sreport.html

Wasalaam.

[Mujib]

As-Salamu `alaykum

Does studying in a Dar al-`Ulum or under a teacher who has studied at a Dar al-`Ulum make one a Deobandi? If so, various `ulama all over the world can be called Deobandi.

[Ameerul Mumineen Mullah Omar is a Deobandi as far as I know, Alhumdulillah, he sent a message to the Deoband Conference which was held in 2001:]

What exactly makes him a Deobandi? What makes him different from the rest of the Afghans who are just Hanafi (the Deobandi vs Barelwi issue does not exist in Afghanistan).

[Naqshbandi]

[QUOTE=Abba]I thought Mullah Omar was a Wahaabi,Bin Laden sure is,[/QUOTE I kno Mullah Omar is not a wahabi,ive heard that the taliban were wahabis but i can't verifi that source,but ive also heard they were sufis as well

[Omar HH]

No Mullah Omar is a Deobandi.

Shaykh Faraz from what I remember called Bin Laden a extremist Wahhabi. I think it's pretty obvious Bin Laden's a Wahhabi, especially recently with criminal terrorist bloodthirsty Salafi/Wahhabi Abu Musab al-Zarqawi being his deputy in Iraq - and Bin Laden's recent statements to the effect of "even if the Government is 90% Islam and 10% kufr, it's a Kaffir constitution and a Kaffir state" which is certainly not the Deobandi position of "The Governments are Muslim but sinful for not carrying out the Shariah"

May Allah (SWT) allow justice to be served to Bin Laden.

[Alhumdulillah]

As-Salamu `alaykum

Does studying in a Dar al-`Ulum or under a teacher who has studied at a Dar al-`Ulum make one a Deobandi? If so, various `ulama all over the world can be called Deobandi.

Walaykum Salaam. Yes. Darul Uloom was one of the first big Madressas and the Ulema who studied there went to different places and founded new madressas - and their new madressas are like the children of Darul Uloom Deoband. For example, Raiwind Madressa or at Darul Uloom Karachi (Mufti Taqi) or at Binnori Town... Or in England, Darul Uloom Dewsbury or Leicester or Bury etc.

Deobandis are Hanafi. Afghans (at least in South Afghanistan, according to my limited knowledge) including Mullah Omar follow the path of the Ulema of Deoband. What this means in practical terms is that they are strict Muslims and othodox, and that they are in accordance with the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah.

Wasalaam.

History of Darul Uloom Deoband:
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=2216

PS - regarding Sheikh Usama; http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=2494

[Sunni_Student786]

Afghans (at least in South Afghanistan, according to my limited knowledge) including Mullah Omar follow the path of the Ulema of Deoband. What this means in practical terms is that they are strict Muslims and othodox, and that they are in accordance with the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah.

Being from Afghanistan, I can say that the Muslims in Afghanistan, by and large, are somewhere between being "Deobandi" and "Barelvi", although if you were to try to identify to what side they tilt, if any, it would be more to the Deobandi side. The only issues where the vast majority of Afghans and their scholars would hold different views/perspectives than the "official" Deobandi position is on issues like the Mawlid an Nabi (peace be upon him), which the VAST majority of Afghans either celebrate or do not object celebrating, and some of the other things that the Ulema of Deoband oftentimes identify as being "bidah", or corrupted into becoming bidahs, such as Khatms of the Quran when people die and what not.

Other than that, the differences with the Ulema of Deoband would be on even more minor things such as the observance of "Urs" or the recitation of certain duas such as the "Durood Taj" which the Ulema of Deoband, generally speaking, are highly cautious about reciting or endorsing because some of the duas' statements could easily be misinterpreted by the ignorant masses.

Alhamdullilah, in Afghanistan we don't have the whole Barelvi-Deobandi conflict.

[ahsanirfan]

Alhamdullilah, in Afghanistan we don't have the whole Barelvi-Deobandi conflict.

Thank God for that! Alhamdolillah...

[Mujib]

As-Salamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah

Would someone like the late Shaykh Muhammad ibn `Alawi al-Maliki (rahimahullah) be considered a Deobandi? If not, something more than study under a Deobandi scholar or at a Deobandi institute must qualify one as a Deobandi.

[Afghans (at least in South Afghanistan, according to my limited knowledge) including Mullah Omar follow the path of the Ulema of Deoband.]

I am from Southern Afghanistan, brother. Afghans in Southern Afghanistan, like Afghans elsewhere in Afghanistan, are simply Hanafi.

What is the path of the `ulama of Deoband? How does it differ from the path of the rest of the Hanafis?

JazakAllah khayr. Was-Salam

[ahsanirfan]

[font=Garamond][size=4]What is the path of the `ulama of Deoband? How does it differ from the path of the rest of the Hanafis?

If anything, it's a lot sticter, and a lot harsher towards bidaat. Other than than, they're all the same.

[Alhumdulillah]

Alhamdullilah, in Afghanistan we don't have the whole Barelvi-Deobandi conflict.

Assalamoalaykum!

Okay, jazakAllah for the clarification. I was mistaken.

Wasalaam.

[Ahle-Sunnah]

I have read in a brief bio of the late Shaykh Muhammad ibn `Alawi al-Maliki (rahimahullah) that he was a Khalifa of Shaykh Zia Uddin Madani (Rahmatullah alaihi) who was a Khalifa of Imam Ahmed Rida Khan (Alaihi Rahmatur Rahmaan).. also the Shaykh had great love for Brelwis.. On the Day of the his Demise at sehri time the great shaykh was eating with Mufti Abu Bakr Siddique Attari, who is one of the Head of Jamia Tul Ilmia of Dawat-e-Islami.

[salman]

Salamu Alaikum

Sayyid Muhammad ibn Alawi Al Maliki was genuinely a person who took from *all" and spoke good of *all* even some of the Wahabis.

E.g. He called Shaikh Rashid Ahmad Gangohi the "sun of the pious scholars" and so forth and has an Ijaza via him for narrating tirmidhi. He also uses Shaikh Gangohis Fatwa to refute the Fatwa of the Salafis on the Ziyara of the Prophet.

I have heard a few of my associates in Pakistan saying that the Deobandi ulema consider Shaikh Muhammad a "friend".

[Mossy]

Yawn. Off-topic.