Commonly narrated fabricated hadiths

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

It was narrated by Sayyiduna ‘Ali (may Allah be pleased with him):

“The Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: Do not tell lies about me. Whoever tells lies about me, let him enter the Fire.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, 106).

Narrated Salama (may Allah be pleased with her): I heard the Holy Prophet saying,

"Whoever (intentionally) ascribes to me what I have not said then (surely) let him occupy his seat in Hell-fire." (Sahih al-Bukhari, 109).

This thread is for posting commonly mentioned fabricated (mawdu') hadiths that are narrated in lectures or books, etc.

Note: Make sure to give proper reference.

[Usman]

Source : http://www.banuri.edu.pk/node/87
Author : Mufti Yusuf Abdur Razzaq ( son of Dr. Abdur Razzaq Iskandar Hafidhahullah )

One such fabrication is common in Urdu language


”اے میرے بندے! ایک تیری چاہت ہے اور ایک میری چاہت ہے، اگر تو میری چاہت پر اپنی چاہت کو قربان کردے تو میں تیری چاہت میں تیری کفایت کروں گا اور ہوگا وہی جو میں چاہوں گا۔ اور اگر تو میری چاہت پر اپنی چاہت کو قربان نہ کرے‘ تو میں تم کو تیری چاہت میں تھکا دونگا اور ہوگا وہی جو میں چاہوں گا“۔

Translation is :

"O my slave, there is your intention, and there is my intention , if you sacrifice your intentions over mine, then I will help in your intentions, and only that what is my intention will happen. And if you do not sacrifice your intentions over mine, then I will tire you in pursuit of what you intend... and only that will happen what I like."


Just to add, there are different versions of this fabrication , this is the shortest one. Read the Article above for research over it. I've been in pursuit of this fabrication since 2000, when it became popular with the song of a Pakistani Singer "Jawwad Ahmad".

[Ahmad_shakeel]

:salam:




by Imam Lukhnawi,


منها ما يذكره الوعاظ من أن النبي كان عالما بالقرآن بتمامه وتاليا له من حين ولادته وإن معنى قوله ما أنا قارئ في جواب قول وجبريل له عند بدء الوحي اقرأ علي ما ورد في صحيح البخاري وغيره إني لا أقرأ بأمرك فإني عالم به وقارئ من قبل هذا فرية بلا مرية تكذبها الآيات القرآنية والأخبار النبوية منها ما يذكرونه من أنه لم يكن أميا بل كان قادرا على الكتابة والتلاوة من ابتداء الفطرة وهذا قول مخالف للكتاب والسنة بل وإجماع الأمة فلا عبرة به عند أرباب الفطنة ومنها ما يذكرونه عند ذكر حسن


"One of them is what is mentioned by the sermonizers that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) knew the whole Qur’an and recited it from his birth. As far as his saying ‘I am not a reader’ in the response of Gabriel (may the peace of Allah be upon him) at the time of first revelation which is narrated by Sahih Bukhari and others, it means (according to these sermonizers): I (the Prophet) will not read with your order as I know it already and recite it regularly. This is no doubt fabrication rejected by the Qur’anic verses and Prophetic traditions. Also, they say that he was not illiterate; rather he was able to write and recite by nature. This is also opposed to the Qur’an, Sunnah and even the unanimity (Ijma) of the Ummah; therefore it has no significance in the eyes of the intelligentsia."





Imam 'Abd al-Hay Lukhnawi (may Allah have mercy on him) writes at another place in Al-Athar al-Marfu’a,


الآثار المرفوعة ج:1 ص:42
وقال أيضا قبل ذلك بأوراق عديدة أما ما ذكر من أن الله قبض من نور وجهه قبضة ونظر إليها فعرقت وذلقت فخلق الله من كل نقطة نبيا وإن القبضة كانت هي النبي وإنه كان كوكبا دريا وإن العالم كله خلق منه وإنه كان موجودا قبل أن يخلق أبواه وإنه كان يحفظ القرآن قبل أن يأتيه جبريل وأمثال هذه الأمور فقال الحافظ أبو العباس أحمد بن تيمية في فتاويه ونقله الحافظ ابن كثير في تاريخه وأقره كل ذلك كذب مفترى باتفاق أهل العلم بحديثه انتهى

“As far as what is mentioned that Allah Most High picked up a handful from the light of Himself and cast a look at it, so it perspired and dropped, so Allah created out of every drop a prophet. The handful was the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), he was like a brilliant star and the entire world was created out of it. He was present before his parents were born and he committed the Qur’an to his memory before Gabriel came to him and so on. Hafiz Abul Abbas Ahmad bin Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in his Fatawa and Hafiz ibn Kathir (may Allah have mercy on him) in his History that all these things are fabricated lies according to all scholars.”

[Al-Athar al-Marfu’a, 1:42]

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48173

['Abdullaah]

:salam:

Taken from here. (http://www.islamhouse.com/p/51904) May be compiled by a person you don't agree with, but I suppose better to avoid narrating these ahadeeth unless proven otherwise.

Some of the hadeeth below are labeled fabricated/baseless, and some are very weak. I am posting them both as Mufti Husain sahab says (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=326197&postcount=4) that the ruling is the same for them when it comes to quoting them.

Compiled by Shaykh Ihsan Al-`Utaibi (May Allah preserve him)

12 - Whoever sleeps after 'Asr and loses his mind should blame none but himself. Ibn Al-Jawzi mentioned it in his book of fabricated traditions "Al-Mawdo'at" (3/69), and Al-Suyuti in "Al-La'ali' Al-Masnoo'a" (2/279), and Al-Dhahabi in "Tarteeb Al-Mawdoo'at" (839)

16 - Disagreement amongst my Ummah is a mercy. Fabricated "Al-Asrar Al-Marfoo'a" (506), "Tanzeeh Al-Sharee'a" (2/402), and Al-Albani said: it is baseless "Al-Da'eefa" (11)

17 - My Companions are like the stars; whichever of them you follow, you will be rightly guided, and in another narration: My Companions are like the stars; whichever of them you take his opinion, you will be rightly guided. Ibn Hazm said: a fabricated void false tradition, that was never found to be authentic "Al-Ihkaam fee Usool Al-Ahkaam" (5/64), and (6/82). Al-Albani said: Fabricated "Al-Da'eefa" (66), and see also "Jami' Bayan Al-Ilm wa Fadlih" by ibn Abdilbar (2/91)

18 - He, who knows himself, knows his Lord. Fabricated "Al-Asrar Al-Marfoo'a" (506), "Tanzeeh Al-Sharee'a" (2/402), and "Tazkirat Al-Mawdoo'at" (11)

32 - One Hour of Contemplation is better than Sixty years of Worship. Fabricated; "Tanzeeh Al-Sharee'a" (2/305), "Al-Fawaid Al-Majmoo'a" (723), and "Tarteeb Al-Mawdoo'at" (964)

37 - If not for you (O Muhammad!) I would not have created this World (dunia). Fabricated; "Al-Lo'lo' Al-Marsuu' " by Al-Mishmishi (454), "Tarteeb Al-Mawdoo'at" (196), and "Al-Da'eefa" (282)

63 - 'O Jibreel, describe for me the Fire, and tell me about Hell. So Jibreel said: Allah Ta'ala fanned jahannam (Hell) for a thousand years until its color turned red. Thereafter he fanned it for a thousand years until its color turned white. He then fanned it for another thousand years until it turned black in color. So it is absolutely black… [Long hadith]. Fabricated; "Al-Haythami" (10/387), and "Al-Da'eefa" (910)

66 - The Substitutes (Al-Abdaal) in this Community (Ummah) are thirty like Ibrahim the Friend of the Merciful. Every time one of them dies, Allah substitutes another one in his place. Fabricated; "Al-Asraar Al-Marfoo'a" by Ali Al-Qari (470), "Tameez Al-Tayib min Al-Khabeeth" by ibn Al-Dayba' (7), and "Al-Manaar Al-Maneef" by ibn Al-Qayim (308)

71 - The (evil) gaze is a (poisonous) arrow from the arrows of Iblis (Satan). He that abstains from it out of my fear, I will grant him in return such Imaan (faith), the sweetness of which he will experience within his heart. Very weak; "Al-Targheeb wa Al-Tarheeb" by Al-Munziri (4/106), "Majma' Al-Zawai'd" by Al-Haythami (8/63), and "Talkhees Al-Mustadrak" by Al-Dhahabi (4/314)

78 - Love of this world (dunia) is the root of all evil. Fabricated; "Ahadeeth Al-Qasaas" by ibn Taymiyah (7), "Al-Asraar Al-Marfoo'a" (1/163), and "Tazkirat Al-Mawdoo'at" (173)

80 - Everything has a bride, and the bride of the Quran is Surah Al Rahman. Rejected (Munkar); "Al-Da'eefa" (1350)

85 - The grip (the treatment) of the Angel of Death is harder/harsher than thousand strikes of a sword. Very Weak; "Tarteeb Al-Mawdoo'at" by Al-Dhahabi (1071), and "Al-Mawdoo'at" by ibn Al-Jawzi (3/220)

90 - Do not let water be the last of your meal. Baseless; "Al-Da'eefa" (2096)

91 - Truly, hearts rust just as iron rusts, and their polishing is Istighfar (seeking forgiveness). Fabricated; "Zakherat Al-Hufaz" (2/1978), and "Al-Da'eefa" (2242)

92 - We have come back from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad. Baseless; "Al-Asraar Al-Marfoo'a" (211), and "Tazkirat Al-Mawdoo'at" by Al-Fitni (191)

94 - `Abd Ar-Rahman Ibn `Awf enters Paradise crawling. Fabricated; "Al-Manaar Al-Maneef" by ibn Al-Qayim (306), and "Al-Fawaid Al-Majmoo'a" by Al-Shawkani (1184)

And Allaah knows best.
:salam:

[Usman]

17 - My Companions are like the stars; whichever of them you follow, you will be rightly guided, and in another narration: My Companions are like the stars; whichever of them you take his opinion, you will be rightly guided. Ibn Hazm said: a fabricated void false tradition, that was never found to be authentic "Al-Ihkaam fee Usool Al-Ahkaam" (5/64), and (6/82). Al-Albani said: Fabricated "Al-Da'eefa" (66), and see also "Jami' Bayan Al-Ilm wa Fadlih" by ibn Abdilbar (2/91)


This hadith is accepted by most scholars. Read for a detailed explanation why this hadeeth is Sahih by Mufti Ebrahim Desai

http://www.al-inaam.com/dhadith/qna/companionstars.htm

Also the site you pasted is not a reliable resource,

Secondly, Albani is not a reliable resource. He had shiddat/prejudice in his works.

Thirdly , Dha'eef does not mean "Fabricated", Maudhoo means "Fabricated".

Albani Rahimahullah's major problem was that he never looked into the saying of the fuqahaa. That's because his major inspiration was the words of Indian Ghair Muqallid scholars "Nawab Siddique Hassan Qannoji" and his students, which was refuted back then by Maulana Abdul Hayee Lucknowi Rahimahullah.

This hadeeth is Hasan li ghairyihi , and according to some ulama Hasan Li'dhatihi. Meaning , although the chain of narrations is not strong enough, but the subject and the number of narrations, and above all, the ta'mul of Ummah upon it makes it Saheeh.

['Abdullaah]

:salam:

@ br. Usman,

1. The ahadeeth posted have been classified as what they are not only by Sheikh Albani (rah), but others as well.
2. I have already mentioned why I have posted both fabricated and 'very weak' (not just 'weak') ahadeeth in my post. Please read the second paragraph of the previous post.

:jazak:

:salam:

[maneatinglizard]

:salam:

Not just that Hadith, but a lot of the Ahadith on that list are considered safe to relate by a lot of scholars.

[Ahmad_shakeel]

:salam:

Not just that Hadith, but a lot of the Ahadith on that list are considered safe to relate by a lot of scholars.

Substantiate... tackle every that hadith with proper proofs that u think many others have accepted and no hollow claims...

:jazak:

[Zubair]

Hafidh Ibn al-Jawzi, Shaykh Albani, even Imam ibn Taymiyya can't be taken for their words alone.

Regarding The abdal hadith, Hafidh Sakhawi says regarding one particular chain after quoting, "The Budala' are in Sham, and they're 40 men, every time one of them dies, another is replaced in his place... "the men are from the Sahih narrators, except for Shurayh, he is thiqa" What supports the hadith of Abdal are the statements of scholars who used it, from the time of salaf, from them Imam Shafi'i, Imam Ahmed, Imam Bukhari. Another hadith in Sunan Abi Dawud mentions 'Abdal us Sham أبدال ‏ ‏الشام

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=4&Rec=5392






One saying i've heard, and is very famous is, "the scholars of my Ummah are like the Prophets of Bani Isra'il", Hafidh Sakhawi says, "our Shaykh (ibn Hajar) and those before him, Damiri and Zakarakshi, 'It has no basis.


'Allama Azeemabadi, Famous Ahle Hadith scholar: http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=1&doc=4#Desc1 Commentary on the hadith of Abdal.

: جَمْع بَدَل بِفَتْحَتَيْنِ قَالَ فِي النِّهَايَة : هُمْ الْأَوْلِيَاء وَالْعُبَّاد الْوَاحِد بَدَل سُمُّوا بِذَلِكَ لِأَنَّهُمْ كُلَّمَا مَاتَ مِنْهُمْ وَاحِد أُبْدِلَ بِآخَر قَالَ السُّيُوطِيُّ فِي مِرْقَاة الصُّعُود . لَمْ يَرِد فِي الْكُتُب السِّتَّة ذِكْر الْأَبْدَال إِلَّا فِي هَذَا الْحَدِيث عِنْد أَبِي دَاوُدَ وَقَدْ أَخْرَجَهُ الْحَاكِم فِي الْمُسْتَدْرَك وَصَحَّحَهُ , وَوَرَدَ فِيهِمْ أَحَادِيث كَثِيرَة خَارِج السِّتَّة جَمَعْتهَا فِي مُؤَلَّف اِنْتَهَى . ‏
‏قُلْت : إِنَّا نَذْكُر هَا هُنَا بَعْض الْأَحَادِيث الْوَارِدَة فِي شَأْن الْأَبْدَال تَتْمِيمًا لِلْفَائِدَةِ , فَمِنْهَا مَا رَوَاهُ أَحْمَد فِي مُسْنَده عَنْ عُبَادَةَ بْن الصَّامِت مَرْفُوعًا الْأَبْدَال فِي هَذِهِ الْأَمَة ثَلَاثُونَ رَجُلًا قُلُوبهمْ عَلَى قَلْب إِبْرَاهِيم خَلِيل الرَّحْمَن كُلَّمَا مَاتَ رَجُل أَبْدَلَ اللَّه مَكَانه رَجُلًا أَوْرَدَهُ السُّيُوطِيّ فِي الْجَامِع الصَّغِير , وَقَالَ الْعَزِيزِيّ وَالْمُنَاوِيّ فِي شَرْحه بِإِسْنَادٍ صَحِيح , وَمِنْهَا مَا رَوَاهُ عُبَّاده بْن الصَّامِت " الْأَبْدَال فِي أُمَّتِي ثَلَاثُونَ بِهِمْ تَقُوم الْأَرْض وَبِهِمْ تُمْطَرُونَ وَبِهِمْ تُنْصَرُونَ " رَوَاهُ الطَّبَرَانِيُّ فِي الْكَبِير أَوْرَدَهُ السُّيُوطِيُّ فِي الْكِتَاب الْمَذْكُور وَقَالَ الْعَزِيزِيّ وَالْمُنَاوِيّ بِإِسْنَادٍ صَحِيح , وَمِنْهَا مَا رَوَاهُ عَوْف بْن مَالِك " الْأَبْدَال فِي أَهْل الشَّام وَبِهِمْ يُنْصَرُونَ وَبِهِمْ يُرْزَقُونَ " أَخْرَجَهُ الطَّبَرَانِيُّ فِي الْكَبِير أَوْرَدَهُ السُّيُوطِيّ فِي الْكِتَاب الْمَذْكُور قَالَ الْعَزِيزِيّ وَالْمُنَاوِيّ إِسْنَاده حَسَن , وَمِنْهَا مَا رَوَاهُ عَلِيّ رَضِيَ اللَّه عَنْهُ الْأَبْدَال بِالشَّامِ وَهُمْ أَرْبَعُونَ رَجُلًا كُلَّمَا مَاتَ رَجُل أَبْدَلَ اللَّه مَكَانه رَجُلًا يُسْقَى بِهِمْ الْغَيْث وَيُنْتَصَر بِهِمْ عَلَى الْأَعْدَاء وَيُصْرَف عَنْ أَهْل الشَّام بِهِمْ الْعَذَاب , أَخْرَجَهُ أَحْمَد وَقَالَ الْعَزِيزِيّ وَالْمُنَاوِيّ بِإِسْنَادٍ حَسَن قَالَ الْمُنَاوِيُّ زَادَ فِي رِوَايَة الْحَكِيم " لَمْ يَسْبِقُوا النَّاس بِكَثْرَةِ صَلَاة وَلَا صَوْم وَلَا تَسْبِيح وَلَكِنْ بِحُسْنِ الْخُلُق وَصِدْق الْوَرَع وَحُسْن النِّيَّة وَسَلَامَة الصَّدْر أُولَئِكَ حِزْب اللَّه " وَقَالَ : لَا يُنَافِي خَبَر الْأَرْبَعِينَ خَبَر الثَّلَاثِينَ لِأَنَّ الْجُمْلَة أَرْبَعُونَ رَجُلًا فَثَلَاثُونَ عَلَى قَلْب إِبْرَاهِيم وَعَشَرَة لَيْسُوا كَذَلِكَ , وَمِنْهَا مَا ذَكَرَ أَبُو نُعَيْم الْأَصْفَهَانِيّ فِي حِلْيَة الْأَوْلِيَاء بِإِسْنَادِهِ عَنْ اِبْن عُمَر رَضِيَ اللَّه عَنْهُ قَالَ : قَالَ رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ " خِيَار أُمَّتِي فِي كُلّ قَرْن خَمْس مِائَة وَالْأَبْدَال أَرْبَعُونَ , فَلَا الْخَمْس مِائَة يَنْقُصُونَ وَلَا الْأَرْبَعُونَ كُلَّمَا مَاتَ رَجُل أَبْدَلَ اللَّه عَزَّ وَجَلَّ مِنْ الْخَمْس مِائَة مَكَانه وَأُدْخِلَ فِي الْأَرْبَعِينَ وَكَأَنَّهُمْ قَالُوا : يَا رَسُول اللَّه دُلَّنَا عَلَى أَعْمَالهمْ قَالَ : يَعْفُونَ عَمَّنْ ظَلَمَهُمْ وَيُحْسِنُونَ إِلَى مَنْ أَسَاءَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَيَتَوَاسَوْنَ فِي مَا آتَاهُمْ اللَّه عَزَّ وَجَلَّ " أَوْرَدَهُ الْقَارِي فِي الْمِرْقَاة وَلَمْ يَذْكُر تَمَام إِسْنَاده . ‏
‏وَاعْلَمْ أَنَّ الْعُلَمَاء ذَكَرُوا فِي وَجْه تَسْمِيَة الْأَبْدَال وُجُوهًا مُتَعَدِّدَة وَمَا يُفْهَم مِنْ هَذِهِ الْأَحَادِيث مِنْ وَجْه التَّسْمِيَة هُوَ الْمُعْتَمَد . ‏

[Ahmad_shakeel]

One saying i've heard, and is very famous is, "the scholars of my Ummah are like the Prophets of Bani Isra'il", Hafidh Sakhawi says, "our Shaykh (ibn Hajar) and those before him, Damiri and Zakarakshi, 'It has no basis.



:salam:

You mean this hadeeth is fabricated? we hear it a lot in lectures...

[Zubair]

:salam:

You mean this hadeeth is fabricated? we hear it a lot in lectures...
Wa 'alaykumus Salam

Yes, it has no basis (fabricated)

Another:

"Whoever knows himself, knows his lord". "it's known as being Marfu' (ascribed to the Prophet), it's been related as a saying of Yahya bin Mua'adh ar-Razi,

Imam Nawawi said, "it's hasn't been established (as being a hadith)".

[bugmenot]

:ws:

There seem to be some out there: http://mawdu.wordpress.com/

[Abu Dajanaa]

^^:thumbsup:


The hadeeth, “Whoever neglects prayer, Allaah will send fifteen punishments upon him, six in this world, three when he is dying, three in the grave and three when he emerges form the grave…” is a fabricated (mawdoo’) hadeeth which is falsely attributed to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

This is one of the fabricated ahaadeeth that are falsely attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as was stated by the scholars (may Allaah have mercy on him) such as al-Haafiz al-Dhahabi in Lisaan al-Meezaan, and al-Haafiz ibn Hajar and others.

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

Imam Abd al-Hayy Lakhnawi (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Al-Athar al-Marfu'ah:


الآثار المرفوعة ج:1 ص:36
ذكر بعض القصص المشهورة ولنذكر ههنا بعض القصص التي أكثر وعاظ زماننا ذكرها في مجالسهم الوعظية وظنوها أمورا ثابتة مع كونها مختلقة موضوعة فمنها ما يذكرون من أن النبي لما أسري به ليلة المعراج إلى السموات العلى ووصل إلى العرش المعلى أراد خلع نعليه أخذا من قوله تعالى لسيدنا موسى حين كلمه ((فاخلع نعليك إنك بالواد المقدس طوى)) فنودي من العلي الأعلى يا محمد لا تخلع نعليك فإن العرش يتشرف بقدومك متنعلا ويفتخر على غيره متبركا فصعد النبي إلى العرش وفي قدميه النعلان وحصل له بذلك عز وشأن وقد ذكر هذه القصة جمع من أصحاب المدائح الشعرية وأدرجها بعضهم في تأليف السنية وأكثر وعاظ زماننا يذكرونها مطولة ومختصرة في مجالسهم الوعظية وقد نص أحمد المقري المالكي في كتابه فتح المتعال في مدح خير النعال والعلامة رضي الدين القزويني ومحمد بن عبد الباقي الزرقاني في رح المواهب اللدنية على أن هذه القصة موضوع بتمامها قبح الله واضعها

He narrated some famous stories, out of which we mentioned some that are commonly narrated by most of the preachers of our age in their sermonic meetings and they consider it established facts in spite of them being fabricated and manufactured. One of them, they mention that when the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) was flown in the night of Ma’iraj (celestial ascension) to the high heavens and reached to the Lofty Throne, he intended to take off his shoes considering the order of Allah to the Prophet Moses when he was addressed: “so remove your shoes; you are in the sacred valley of Tuwa”. So, he was called from the Lofty Court: O Muhammad! Do not remove your shoes as the Throne will take honour in your advent wearing shoes and will take it as pride and blessings before others. So, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) ascended the Throne with the shoes in his feet and thus he was granted honour and loftiness. This story was narrated by many poets who composed poems in praise of the Prophet while some have incorporated in their writings. Most of the sermonizers in our age, mention it in detail as well as in summary in their sermonic functions.

Ahmad al-Muqri Al-Maliki has expressed in his book Fathul Mut’al fi Mad’h Khair al-Ni’al, and 'Allamah Razi al-Din al-Qazwini and Muhammad bin Abd al-Baqi al-Zurqani in Sharah Mawahib al-Laduniyyah that all these stories are fabricated. May Allah uglify the fabricator!

[Murat Yazici]

The hadeeth, “Whoever neglects prayer, Allaah will send fifteen punishments upon him, six in this world, three when he is dying, three in the grave and three when he emerges form the grave…” is a fabricated (mawdoo’) hadeeth which is falsely attributed to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

This is one of the fabricated ahaadeeth that are falsely attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as was stated by the scholars (may Allaah have mercy on him) such as al-Haafiz al-Dhahabi in Lisaan al-Meezaan, and al-Haafiz ibn Hajar and others.

Well, al-Dhahabi himself writes a very similar (if not exactly the same) hadith in his book on Kabair (great sins), in the section on "Neglecting Salah." One difference I could see is, the hadith in this book mentions fourteen punishments (five punishments in this world instead of six, and then three when he is dying, three in the grave and three when he emerges form the grave). He does not say it is authentic; but he included it in his book anyway. In this section he is trying to explain how great a sin it is to neglect salah.

[abulayl]

Well, al-Dhahabi himself writes a very similar (if not exactly the same) hadith in his book on Kabair (great sins), in the section on "Neglecting Salah." One difference I could see is, the hadith in this book mentions fourteen punishments (five punishments in this world instead of six, and then three when he is dying, three in the grave and three when he emerges form the grave). He does not say it is authentic; but he included it in his book anyway. In this section he is trying to explain how great a sin it is to neglect salah.:salam:

:ws:

There are two edition of al-Kabair.
The famous big one, with many fabrications in it.
A smaller one, free of such fabrications.

Contemporaries differ as to which one is the actual book of Allamah Dhahabi, however many feel that the second book is really his, while the first one isn't.

The second one could be downloaded from this page (http://www.waqfeya.com/book.php?bid=150).
Select اضغط هنا

And Allah Ta'ala knows best



There exist two different copies of al-Kabair of ad-Dhahabi. One full of forgeries and very weak narrations, which cannot be properly ascribed to him. This is famous copy of the book.
The more authentic edition is the shorter one, without the forgeries.
This hadith isn't in the shorter one.

And Allah Ta'ala knows best

[bugmenot]

:mash: akhy streetwalker you were quicker than me

[abulayl]

:mash: akhy streetwalker you were quicker than me
:salam: beleive me i thought you have also allready share the same info when i saw your name at main page!

[Murat Yazici]

Thank you for the information.

(One particular point isn't clear: Does the statement "This hadith isn't in the shorter one" refer to the hadith about neglecting salah?)

Perhaps al-Dhahabi himself modified the book (like preparing a second edition)?

It is of course entirely possible that a scholar may change his opinion about a certain matter (such as the authenticity of a narration). Furthermore, according to the following, al-Dhahabi disavowed a book he has written at a young age:

33. Al-`Uluw li al-`Ali al-Ghaffar ("The Exaltation of the All-High and Most-Forgiving"), a book written under Ibn Taymiyya's influence - as stated by al-Kawthari in his Maqalat - when al-Dhahabi was twenty-five and which he later disavowed as related by its copyist the hadith master Ibn Nasir al-Din al-Dimashqi (d. 842):

Its author stated - as Allah is His witness - in his own hand-writing as I read it in the margin of the original manuscript written in the year 698:

"This book contains narrations against the unreliability of which I am cautioning the reader, and the statements of a number of people who spoke in outlandish terms. Neither do I subscribe to their terms, nor do I imitate them. May Allah forgive them! Nor will I ever consider myself bound by such terms. This is my belief, and I know that Allah – "There is nothing whatsoever like unto Him" (42:11)!"41

41Cited and photo-reproduced at the beginning of Shaykh Hasan `Ali al-Saqqaf's edition of al-Dhahabi's `Uluw (p. 3-4).

[shatibi]

The Story of Tha'labah (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52164)

[Ahmad_shakeel]

The Story of Tha'labah (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52164)

:salam:

it would b nice to post here all links of mufti hussain about fabricated hadeeth...

[abulayl]

The Story of Bilal (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=418445&highlight=bilal#post418445)



One saying i've heard, and is very famous is, "the scholars of my Ummah are like the Prophets of Bani Isra'il", Hafidh Sakhawi says, "our Shaykh (ibn Hajar) and those before him, Damiri and Zakarakshi, 'It has no basis.

Just to add more scholars name who agree with the grading of this hadith as fabricated : Ibn hajar(rh),Imam suyuti(rh).Mulla ali qari(rh), imam shawqani(rh).

Another popular one which is also known as hadith:
"Hub al-Watan e min al-Iman " Love of Country is part of Faith (Iman)".Allamah saghani(rh) and Mulla ali qari(rh) said among the muhaddithin, this statement has no basis.

Hadith regardiong eating salt:

Start eating with salt and finish also with salt, cause its medicine of 70 illness Imam bayhaqi,ibn jawzi,ibn qayyim,imam suyuti, allamah ibn arraq (rh) all said this one is fabricated. There is also a similar version:


The person who takes salt before and after eating, he is save from 360 desease
imam suyuti and ibn arraq(rh) said this is also fabricated.

Some details about Salt :

Salt and Sunnah (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=366479&postcount=28)

Sunnah way of cutting nails:

This is not a sunnah however, it is preferable. (http://askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=6e17b6dbc31a01471fa54d98b3dbe7cb)

Opinion of ulama regarding this practise (http://askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=edb68864f2836e5d00d5eb8ddea47c2d)

[shatibi]

The Story of Bilal (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=418445&highlight=bilal#post418445)


:salam:

But make sure you read what Hadrat Mufti Husain sahib mentioned:

:ws:

This is a heavily disputed narration amongst the muhaddithin.

You have Hafiz Ibn Hajr, Adh-Dhahabi, Mulla Ali al-Qari, Ibn al-Arraq etc all classifying it as a fabrication, while Allamah Subki etc classifed it as hasan!
I go with the first, but you will find many taking Allamah Subki's view.

As Ahmed al-Ghumari mentioned "Ibn Hajr will never classify a narration as a fabrication unless its spuriousness is clear like the sun at midday". (al-Mughir)

[abulayl]

:salam:

But make sure you read what Hadrat Mufti Husain sahib mentioned:
:ws: aww that why i quote the whole thread.


"The ink of a scholar is more holy than the blood of a martyr"
Imam sakhawi,Zarqani,Mulla ali qari(rh) said these arent words of prophet(sw). Zarqani(rh) said Its most probabely statement of hasan al basri(rh).

Al maqasid(pg.377) Mukhtasarul maqasid(pg.172), Al athrar(pg.207) Al fawaid(2/369)

Doing fiqr for a hour, is better than 60-70 year ibadah.
some says its athar of ulama only and not any hadith (Mulla ali qari(rh)´s al athrar pg.97).

sh.albani(rh)said its mawdo.

The story of conversation with Allah and tashahhud (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31632&highlight=tashahhud)

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

Imam Abd al-Hayy Lakhnawi (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Al-Athar al-Marfu'ah,


الآثار المرفوعة ج:1 ص:45
ومنها ما يذكرونه عند ذكر السماع المحمدي إنه يسمع صلاة من يصلي عليه وإن كان نائيا من قبره بلا واسطة وهذا باطل لم يثبت برواية بل الثابت خلافه فقد قال النبي من صلي علي عند قبري سمعته ومن صلى علي نائيا أي بعيدا وكل الله بها ملكا يبلغني وكفى أمر دنياه وآخرته وكنت له شفيعا وشهيدا يوم القيامة أخرجه البيهقي في شعب الإيمان وأبو الشيخ في كتاب الثواب والعقيلي في كتاب الضعفاء وله شواهد بسط الكلام فيها السيوطي في اللآلئ المصنوعة وابن عراق في تنزيه الشريعة

“One of them is what they mention while narrating the prophetic hearing that he hears salutation of one who sends blessings to him without any mediation though the person is far away. This is untrue not supported by any tradition, rather the otherwise is proved. The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: 'One who sends blessings to me near my grave I hear it, and one who sends blessings to me from far away place, Allah appoints angel who conveys it me, it will suffice him for his world and hereafter, I will intercede him on the Day of Judgment'. Narrated by al-Bayhaqi in Shu’b al-Iman, Abu al-Shaykh in Kitab al-Thawab and al-Uqayli in Kitab al-Zu’afa. This hadith was narrated by many other sources as well; it was more elaborated by al-Suyuti in al-La’ali al-Masnu’ah and Ibn Iraq in Tanzih al-Shar’iah.”

One such fabricated narration is found in Dalail al-Khayrat, Anis al-Jalis, and Jala’ al-Ifham.

[Ahmad_shakeel]

The needle of Sayyida Aisha and smile of Sayyidina Muhammad


Assalam o alaykum,

'Allamah Sarfaraz Khan Safdar (may Allah have mercy on him) mentions in Itmam al-Burhan 3:46 that this narration has no basis. He quotes 'Allamah Abd al-Hay Lukhanawi (may Allah have mercy on him) as follow,


الآثار المرفوعة ج:1 ص:44
ومنها ما يذكره الوعاظ عند ذكر الحسن المحمدي أنه في ليلة من الليالي سقطت من يد عائشة إبرته ففقدت فالتمستها ولم تجد فضحك النبي وخرجت لمعة أسنانه فأضاءت الحجرة ورأت عائشة بذلك الضوء إبرته هذا وإن كان مذكورا في معارج النبوة وغيره من كتب السيرالجامعة للرطب واليابس فلا يستند بكل ما فيها إلا النائم والناعس ولكنه لم يثبت رواية ودراية

"One of these lies is what the preachers mention while narrating the Prophet’s charm that one night Sayyida Ayisha (may Allah be pleased with her) lost her needle, so looked for it and could not find it until the Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) laughed and burst the radiance of his teeth which lighted the chamber and Ayisha searched her needle in its light. This although is mentioned in Ma’arij al-Nubuwwah and most books of siyar that combines both proper and improper (dry and fresh), therefore none will regard it as proof except a person fast asleep or one who is drowsy but it is neither verified by narration nor by practicality”

[Al-Athar al-Marfu’a, 1:44-45]

Also 'Allamah Sayyid Sulayman Nadwi (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Sirat al-Nabi 3:166 that this narration is a clear-cut lie.


http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50239&highlight=needle

[osman3]

Assalam o alaykum,

It was narrated by Sayyiduna ‘Ali (may Allah be pleased with him):

“The Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: Do not tell lies about me. Whoever tells lies about me, let him enter the Fire.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, 106).

Narrated Salama (may Allah be pleased with her): I heard the Holy Prophet saying,

"Whoever (intentionally) ascribes to me what I have not said then (surely) let him occupy his seat in Hell-fire." (Sahih al-Bukhari, 109).

This thread is for posting commonly mentioned fabricated (mawdu) ahadith that are narrated in lectures or books, etc.

when i first read this, i thought to myself he is surely not suggesting these are fabricated. lol...

* sighs with pity due to an obvious lack of brain matter *

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

Those narrations that talk about age of the world are fabricated as declared by Mulla Ali Qari, ‘Allamah Qastallani, ‘Allamah ibn al-Athir and ‘Allamah ibn al-Jawzi (may Allah have mercy on them) and mentioned to me by Mufti Hussain Kadodia.

Mulla Ali Qari (may Allah have mercy on him) writes,

“... and among them [the rules] is the opposition of the narration to the explicit text of the Qur'an, such as the narration that the age of the World is 7000 years and we are in the seventh thousand and this narration is clear-cut lie.” (Mawduat al-Kabir, p.118)

[hazratji]

78 - Love of this world (dunia) is the root of all evil. Fabricated; "Ahadeeth Al-Qasaas" by ibn Taymiyah (7), "Al-Asraar Al-Marfoo'a" (1/163), and "Tazkirat Al-Mawdoo'at" (173)


I have read this in one book written by Mufti Taqi Usmani saab.
What should a laymen like me do ??

[hazratji]

Source : http://www.banuri.edu.pk/node/87
Author : Mufti Yusuf Abdur Razzaq ( son of Dr. Abdur Razzaq Iskandar Hafidhahullah )

One such fabrication is common in Urdu language


”اے میرے بندے! ایک تیری چاہت ہے اور ایک میری چاہت ہے، اگر تو میری چاہت پر اپنی چاہت کو قربان کردے تو میں تیری چاہت میں تیری کفایت کروں گا اور ہوگا وہی جو میں چاہوں گا۔ اور اگر تو میری چاہت پر اپنی چاہت کو قربان نہ کرے‘ تو میں تم کو تیری چاہت میں تھکا دونگا اور ہوگا وہی جو میں چاہوں گا“۔

Translation is :

"O my slave, there is your intention, and there is my intention , if you sacrifice your intentions over mine, then I will help in your intentions, and only that what is my intention will happen. And if you do not sacrifice your intentions over mine, then I will tire you in pursuit of what you intend... and only that will happen what I like."


Just to add, there are different versions of this fabrication , this is the shortest one. Read the Article above for research over it. I've been in pursuit of this fabrication since 2000, when it became popular with the song of a Pakistani Singer "Jawwad Ahmad".

I have heard this so many times and they say its HADITH QUDSI ...
how can there be some disagreement on hadith qudsi ?? :S

[True Life]

:salam:

What is the stance on Israeli narrations? There are many "Israeli Hadith Qudsi" if you want to call them that...

[hazratji]

:salam:

What is the stance on Israeli narrations? There are many "Israeli Hadith Qudsi" if you want to call them that...

i ve no idea about this.. "israeli hadith qudsi " new term for me ..

[shatibi]

:salam:

What is the stance on Israeli narrations? There are many "Israeli Hadith Qudsi" if you want to call them that...

:ws:


:ws:

Generally with Isra'iliyat, two things have to be checked:
1- The chain of the narration, as there have been instances of where forgeries were attributed to Wahb and others
2- The soundness and accuracy of the meaning of the narration ie. does it contain any issues contrary to our accepted and proven beliefs.

Even if both these are ok, excessive quoting of such narrations isn't advised.
The Nur and Barakah is in the words of Nabi :saw:.

[abulayl]

78 - Love of this world (dunia) is the root of all evil. Fabricated; "Ahadeeth Al-Qasaas" by ibn Taymiyah (7), "Al-Asraar Al-Marfoo'a" (1/163), and "Tazkirat Al-Mawdoo'at" (173)


I have read this in one book written by Mufti Taqi Usmani saab.
What should a laymen like me do ??
:salam: make sure that mufti saab mentioned it as a statement and not a hadith. Cause the meaning of that fabricated hadith may be correct.

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

Mulla Ali Qari (may Allah have mercy on him) writes that there is a fabricated narration stating that 'language of people of the Paradise will be Pashto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashto_language)'.

:)

[osman3]

:salam:

i'd appreciate some confirmation on a hadith.

this particular one deals with the prophet(pbuh) in the cave with abu bakr (upon escaping the meccan mushriks), about how a spider spun a web so that the mushriks near the entrance (2 from memmory) couldn't find them. i've read this in pretty much every single biography of the prophets life i've had the chance to read.

i've also read numerously that this is weak or fabricated or something.

could anyone please confirm? is there different opinions on this or something?

[Colonel_Hardstone]

:ws:

This is a slippery slope because very often scholars have identified a Hadeeth as Fabricated and others have found and proved it not to be.

Instead of not trying to quote Fabrications, a better and easier approach is to quote Authentic Ahadeeth.

:jazak:

[Colonel_Hardstone]

:salam:

i'd appreciate some confirmation on a hadith.

this particular one deals with the prophet(pbuh) in the cave with abu bakr (upon escaping the meccan mushriks), about how a spider spun a web so that the mushriks near the entrance (2 from memmory) couldn't find them. i've read this in pretty much every single biography of the prophets life i've had the chance to read.

i've also read numerously that this is weak or fabricated or something.

could anyone please confirm? is there different opinions on this or something?


رواها الإمام أحمد (3241) عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ رضي الله عنهما فِي قَوْلِهِ تعالى : (وَإِذْ يَمْكُرُ بِكَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لِيُثْبِتُوكَ) قَالَ : تَشَاوَرَتْ قُرَيْشٌ لَيْلَةً بِمَكَّةَ فَقَالَ بَعْضُهُمْ : إِذَا أَصْبَحَ فَأَثْبِتُوهُ بِالْوَثَاقِ يُرِيدُونَ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ . وَقَالَ بَعْضُهُمْ : بَلْ اقْتُلُوهُ . وَقَالَ بَعْضُهُمْ : بَلْ أَخْرِجُوهُ . فَأَطْلَعَ اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ نَبِيَّهُ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَلَى ذَلِكَ فَبَاتَ عَلِيٌّ عَلَى فِرَاشِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ تِلْكَ اللَّيْلَةَ ، وَخَرَجَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ حَتَّى لَحِقَ بِالْغَارِ ، وَبَاتَ الْمُشْرِكُونَ يَحْرُسُونَ عَلِيًّا يَحْسَبُونَهُ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ، فَلَمَّا أَصْبَحُوا ثَارُوا إِلَيْهِ ، فَلَمَّا رَأَوْا عَلِيًّا رَدَّ اللَّهُ مَكْرَهُمْ ، فَقَالُوا : أَيْنَ صَاحِبُكَ هَذَا ؟ قَالَ : لَا أَدْرِي . فَاقْتَصُّوا أَثَرَهُ ، فَلَمَّا بَلَغُوا الْجَبَلَ خُلِّطَ عَلَيْهِمْ ، فَصَعِدُوا فِي الْجَبَلِ فَمَرُّوا بِالْغَارِ ، فَرَأَوْا عَلَى بَابِهِ نَسْجَ الْعَنْكَبُوتِ ، فَقَالُوا : لَوْ دَخَلَ هَاهُنَا لَمْ يَكُنْ نَسْجُ الْعَنْكَبُوتِ عَلَى بَابِهِ ، فَمَكَثَ فِيهِ ثَلَاثَ لَيَالٍ .


Narrated by Imam Ahmad (3241) from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him), with regard to the verse (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) when the disbelievers plotted against you (O Muhammad) to imprison you” [al-Anfaal 8:30]. He said: Quraysh met together one night in Makkah. Some of them said: When morning comes, imprison him in chains – meaning the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Some said, No, kill him; and others said, No, drive him out. Allaah informed His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) of that, so ‘Ali slept in the bed of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that night, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) went out and hid in the cave. The mushrikoon spent the night lying in wait for ‘Ali, thinking that he was the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). When morning came, they pounced on him, and when they saw ‘Ali, Allaah thwarted their plot. They said, Where is that friend of yours? He said, I do not know. So they set out after him and when they reached the mountain, they were confounded. They climbed up the mountain and passed by the cave, and saw a spider’s web over its entrance. They said, If anyone had entered here, the spider would not have spun a web over the entrance. And he stayed there for three nights.



وقد اختلف العلماء في هذا الحديث ، فحسن إسناده الحافظ ابن حجر في "فتح الباري" وابن كثير في "البداية والنهاية" 3/222

The scholars differed concerning this hadeeth. Its isnaad was classed as hasan by al-Haafiz ibn Hajar in Fath al-Baari and by Ibn Katheer in al-Bidaayah wa’l-Nihaayah (3/222)

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

Imam Abd al-Hayy Lakhnawi (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Al-Athar al-Marfu'ah,


الآثار المرفوعة ج:1 ص:41
ومنها ما يذكرونه من أن النبي يحضر بنفسه في مجالس وعظ مولده عند ذكر مولده وبنوا عليه القيام عند ذكر المولد تعظيما وإكراما وهذا أيضا من الأباطيل لم يثبت ذلك بدليل ومجرد الاحتمال والإمكان خارج عن حد البيان وأمثال هذه القصص التي ذكرناها كثيرة تذكرها وعاظ الفضل المحمدي والمولد الأحمدي مع اختلاقها وعدم ثبوتها ظنا منهم أن في ذكر جلالة القدر المحمدي ثوابا عظيما وفضلا جسيما غافلين عما يترتب من الإثم العظيم على من كذب على النبي عليه

"One of them is what they mention that the Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) attends personally the functions held on his birthday when his birth is mentioned. Based on this, they started standing while mentioning his birth as respect and honour. This is also baseless not supported by any proof. Mere possibility and likelihood is out of explanation. Such stories abound which are mentioned by the sermonizers of the Prophetic excellence and his birth despite these stories being fabricated and false. They think that mentioning the exalted position of the Prophet has great rewards and enormous virtue; they are unaware of the great sin that will follow in associating lie to the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace)."

[Ahmad_shakeel]

Assalam o alaykum,

Mulla Ali Qari (may Allah have mercy on him) writes that there is a fabricated narration stating that 'language of people of the Paradise will be Pashto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashto_language)'.

:)

:ws:

this is funny...

lengths people can go to..

[abulayl]

Habibullah and Khalilullah


Allah has taken ibrahim as khalilullah,Musa(aw) as najiyya and me as habibullah.And Allah has taken oath to give priority to habibullah over than khalilullah and najiyy.
The hadith is in shuabul iman of imam bayhaqi which is weak and some narrators are accused of lieing or fabricators of hadith. So the hadith is extremely weak, and it contradicts also the sahih narration of Muslim (Kitab Al-Salat) [004:1083] :

Jundub reported: I heard from the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) five days before his death and he said: I stand acquitted before Allah that I took any one of you as friend, for Allah has taken me as His friend, as he took ibrahim as His friend.(innaAllaha qattakhazani khalilan kama attakhaza ibrohima khalilan) Had I taken any one of my Ummah as a friend, I would have taken Abu Bakr as a friend. Beware of those who preceded you and used to take the graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as mosques; I forbid you to do that.

['Abdullaah]

Habibullah and Khalilullah

The hadith is in shuabul iman of imam bayhaqi which is weak and some narrators are accused of lieing or fabricators of hadith. So the hadith is extremely weak, and it contradicts also the sahih narration of Muslim (Kitab Al-Salat) [004:1083] :

:salam:

Does that mean there are no authentic ahadeeth telling us of the exclusive title of Habeebullaah of Rasulullaah (peace be upon him)?

:salam:

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

‘Allamah Sayyid Sulayman Nadwi (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Sirat al-Nabi that following narrations have no basis and are fabricated:

1. The narration that after Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) would return from using restroom, earth would swallow the remains.

2. Narrations that Holy Prophet didn’t have a shadow.

3. Those narrations that talk about dead people coming back to life through the miracle of Holy Prophet.

[SY1]

:ws:

This is a slippery slope because very often scholars have identified a Hadeeth as Fabricated and others have found and proved it not to be.

Instead of not trying to quote Fabrications, a better and easier approach is to quote Authentic Ahadeeth.

:jazak:

I have to agree with colonel sahib here

The hadith about the ground swallowing up the Prophet SAW's remains was recently quoted by a very prominent sheikh ul hadith of this country. there must be a difference of opinion on this and thus brother saad using Allamah Nadwi as a first and final isnt the bet way to go. It creates confusion amongst the laymen to the say the least.

[abulayl]

The hadith about the ground swallowing up the Prophet SAW's remains was recently quoted by a very prominent sheikh ul hadith of this country.:salam: India or england? do you got the audio records of that bayan may be? :jazak:

[Saad]

I have to agree with colonel sahib here

The hadith about the ground swallowing up the Prophet SAW's remains was recently quoted by a very prominent sheikh ul hadith of this country. there must be a difference of opinion on this and thus brother saad using Allamah Nadwi as a first and final isnt the bet way to go. It creates confusion amongst the laymen to the say the least.

Assalam o alaykum,

Hakim al-Ummah Mawlana Thanwi (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked that a certain individual came to our mosque and in his lecture he mentioned these sort of narrations that ground swallows the remains of the Prophets, etc. And this has created a lot of confusion among the people here.

At this Mawlana Thanwi replied that first of all these ahadith are not proven even though mentioned in some famous books. Mawlana Thanwi writes that why would anyone trouble to listen to such lecturers who mention such narrations which have nothing to do with ‘aqaid and ahkam and also give non-Muslims a reason to laugh at us. Mawlana Thanwi writes that lecturer should have been asked right there about the chain and authenticity of these narrations so reality would have become open. (See Bawadir al-Nawadir, p.391)

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

Muhaddith ‘Allamah Muhammad Tahir Patni (d: 986H / may Allah have mercy on him) writes in Tadhkirah al-Mawdu'at,


في المقاصد "‏إحياء أبوي النبي ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ حتى آمنا به‏" ‏ أورده السهيلي عن عائشة وقال في إسناده مجاهيل وأنه حديث منكر جدا

"In Maqasid [of Imam Sakhawi] it is said, ‘The parents of the Holy Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) were resurrected till they believed in him’. It has reached Suhayli from 'Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) and he said that in its chain there are unknown people and it's a highly rejectable (munkar) hadith..."

Hafiz ibn Kathir (may Allah have mercy on him) has also mentioned this hadith to be highly rejectable as mentioned by Imam Sakhawi.


وقال ابن كثير: إنه حديث منكر جداً

‘Allamah Sayyid Sulayman Nadwi (may Allah have mercy on him) also mentions in Sirat al-Nabi that all those hadiths that talk about resurrection of parents of the Holy Prophet are undoubtedly fabrications.

[abulayl]

This world is the plant field of the hereafter The text is sahih, but its not a hadith.

Al saghani in al mawduat, sakhawi in al maqasid, sh.tahir patni in tazkirah, mulla ali qari in al athrarm al masnu.

[Taymullah]

http://www.inter-islam.org/Actions/ir19.html#Opponents%20of%20Allah%20and%20The%20Mes senger


"0 Apostle of Allah! Misery has been ordained for me. I think that my livelihood consists in this only that I play upon the tambourine. Now kindly permit me to sing such songs that may not have any obscene matter." The Holy Prophet :saw: said: "I cannot permit you this. Neither have you any honour in my eyes nor do I feel pleased on meeting you. 0 enemy of Allah! You lie. Allah gave you legitimate livelihood but you left it and adopted the illegitimate living. Had I forbidden you earlier, I would have surely punished you now. Get up and be gone from here. Take a vow not to do it anymore and listen: ‘Now that I have warned you, if you do it again, I'll punish you black and blue. To deform your appearance, I'll have you tonsured and have you turned out from your household and I'll permit the young urchins of Madina to plunder all your goods." Hearing this Amr bin Qurrah got up and Allah Alone knows well how much evil must have been in his heart and how much disgrace and shame he must have felt. When he had gone, the Holy Prophet :saw: said: "They are the disobedient people; they are those who shun Allah's commandments. If any one of them dies without repentance (taubah), Allah, on the Day of Judgement, will resurrect him in the same condition in which he was in the world - he will be a eunuch. His body will be naked, not having even a small piece of cloth on it so as to hide him from the people's eyes. And whenever he will stand up, he will topple down."

[Sunni_Student786]

http://www.inter-islam.org/Actions/ir19.html#Opponents%20of%20Allah%20and%20The%20Mes senger

ANyone?

[Awais88]

Assalamualaykum

The hadith of Jibreel's age.Is it sahih?

[bugmenot]

:salam:

Hadith about Bilal (RA) having difficulty with his pronunciation of Seen and Sheen:

"It is a famous fabrication mentioned in virtually every book on Mawdu' ahadith." (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53476#2)

[Ahmad_shakeel]

:salam:


aww, as u all scholars will be aware a bedouin once came to the prophet saw and asked around 25 questions e.g i want to be rich? i want to be the most knowledgable? etc i have heard this hadith in MTJ bayan and i have to whole hadith in urdu but im struggling to find the arabic for it, as far as i know th hadith is definately in kanzul ummal and musnad ahmed i have serached both but to no avail does anyone have the reference for it? as in which chapter the hadith in? volume etc?


:ws:

It isn't in Musnad Ahmed, only in Kanz al-Ummal.
There is no chain for the narration and all the signs of fabrication are clear on it.


:ws:

Kanz is a collection of ahadith without their chains, with references to books of hadith which mention chains for them.
A few ahadith are such that the author doesn't quote them from books mentioning their chains, instead he just mentions that they were found in so and so book.

This hadith is such an example.
Allamah Suyuti mentions that he found it in a collection of ahadith of al-Mustaghfiri, who heard this hadith from someone, but doesn't mention the chain.

As for the incorrect attribution to the Musnad of Imam Ahmed, it was due to the old copy of the Musnad having selections of Kanz printed in its margin.
So it seems that someone found the hadith in the margin and thought it is in the musnad, due to the copy of the book mentioning the musnad, when in reality it is from Kanz.

And as for the claim that we neeed to show which book of fabricated hadith mentioned this narration, it is the completely incorrect approach, based on ignorance of the field of hadith.

In order for someone to atttribute a saying to Nabi :saw: they are required to produce the chain for it. Until then, their attribution is worthless.
Those opposing them aren't required to prove it to be fabricated, rather those quoting it have to prove its authenticity.

To understand, if someone claimed that Nabi :saw: mentioned forums to be haram!
If we ask him for the proof, he could claim that it is mentioned in hadith, even though he doesn't have a chain for it and that if you oppose him, please show which book of fabricated ahadith classified it as a fabrication!

What would be a suitable reply to such an ignoramous?

[Talib84]

Assalamu Alaikum

The statement 'I was a hidden treasure and I wanted to be known' is mentioned as a hadith qudsi. Posts on other threads of this forum say the meaning is correct, but there is no chain for this statement for it to be cosidered a hadith. I see it being quoted on askimam website as a hadith qudsi.

It is mentioned in a Hadith-e-Qudsi, Allah Ta'ala says, "I was a hidden treasure. I desired to be known so I created the creation." Allah created the world for our pleasure but it is Fard to love Allah Ta'ala and Nabi (sallalaahu alayhi wassallam). That degree of love is compulsory which would keep the person away from the disobedience and displeasure of Allah Ta'ala and Nabi (sallalaahu alayhi wassallam) which would cause one to fulfill all the commandments of Allah Ta'ala for HIS pleasure alone.
http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/ask.pl?q=9993&act=view

Is there a difference of opinion on whether the hadith is fabricated or not? Does Mufti Desai accept this hadith? Perhaps Mufti Husain or Ml Abu Hajira can comment.

[Abd-Rahmaan]

This hadith is accepted by most scholars. Read for a detailed explanation why this hadeeth is Sahih by Mufti Ebrahim Desai

http://www.al-inaam.com/dhadith/qna/companionstars.htm

Also the site you pasted is not a reliable resource,

Secondly, Albani is not a reliable resource. He had shiddat/prejudice in his works.

Thirdly , Dha'eef does not mean "Fabricated", Maudhoo means "Fabricated".

Albani Rahimahullah's major problem was that he never looked into the saying of the fuqahaa. That's because his major inspiration was the words of Indian Ghair Muqallid scholars "Nawab Siddique Hassan Qannoji" and his students, which was refuted back then by Maulana Abdul Hayee Lucknowi Rahimahullah.

This hadeeth is Hasan li ghairyihi , and according to some ulama Hasan Li'dhatihi. Meaning , although the chain of narrations is not strong enough, but the subject and the number of narrations, and above all, the ta'mul of Ummah upon it makes it Saheeh.

As-salaam brother,

We can't blame Shaikh albaani for the things you describe while discussing this hadith because it is well-known among the 'ulema that there were a number of scholars in the past who have deemed this narration to be completely fabricated. Yes, there are a large number of different chains and routes - although none of the are authentic - etc but we should also bear in mind that the 'ulema look at more things than just the isnaad... such as the text and meaning aswell.

I will below paste the reasons why albaani declared this hadith to be fabrictated, and its not because of the ghair muqallid scholars or the likes;


2) "My Companions are like the stars: whichever of them you follow, you will be rightly-guided."
Mawdoo` (Fabricated). Related by Ibn `Abdul-Barr in Jaami` Bayaan al-`Ilm [2/91] & Ibn Hazm in al-Ihkaam [6/82] via the route:

Sallaam ibn Sulaim, who said: al-Haarith ibn Ghisseen narrated to us from al-A`mash from Abu Sufyaan from Jaabir from the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam).

Ibn `Abdul-Barr said, "Proof cannot be established with this isnaad because al-Haarith ibn Ghisseen is majhool (unknown)"; Ibn Hazm said, "This is a fallen narration. Abu Sufyaan is weak; al-Haarith ibn Ghisseen is Abu Wahb ath-Thaqafee; Sallaam ibn Sulaimaan narrated fabricated ahaadeeth - this is one of them without a doubt."

To judge this hadeeth on Sallaam ibn Sulaim - also known as Sallaam ibn Sulaimaan - is better, for he is agreed to be da`eef; in fact, Ibn Khiraash said about him, "An utter liar" and Ibn Hibbaan said, "He narrated fabricated ahaadeeth."

As for Abu Sufyaan, he is not weak as Ibn Hazm said, but rather he is reliable as Ibn Hajar has said in at-Taqreeb, and Muslim narrates from him in his Saheeh.

Al-Haarith ibn Ghisseen is unknown as Ibn Hazm said, as did Ibn `Abdul Barr, even though Ibn Hibbaan does mention him in ath-Thiqaat (The Reliable Narrators)

Hence, Ahmad said, "This hadeeth is not authentic", as quoted in al-Muntakhab [10/199/2] of Ibn Qudaamah.

As for the saying of Sha`raani in al-Meezaan [1/28], "This hadeeth, although debatable in the eyes of the muhadditheen, is nevertheless authentic in the eyes of the people of Kashf", it is completely false and whimsical, and is not to be given any significance! This is because authenticating ahaadeeth by way of Kashf ("unveiling", while in a state of trance) is a wicked innovation of the Sufis, and depending upon it leads to the authentication of false, baseless ahaadeeth such as this one. This is because, even at the best of times, Kashf is like opinion, which is sometimes correct and sometimes wrong - and that is if no personal desires enter into it! We ask Allaah to save us from it and from everything He is not pleased with.

Similar narrations to the above are as follows:

2.1) "The example of my Companions is that of the stars: he who follows any of them will be rightly-guided."

Mawdoo` (Fabricated). Related by Qudaa`i (109/2) via:

Ja`far ibn `Abdul Waahid, who said: Wahb ibn Jareer ibn Haazim informed us from his father from al-A`mash from Abu Salih from Abu Hurairah from The Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam).

One of the muhadditheen, either Ibn al-Muhibb or Dhahabi, wrote in the margin, "This hadeeth is not at all authentic", i.e. it is fabricated: the flaw in it is Ja`far here, about whom Daaraqutni said, "He used to fabricate ahaadeeth"; Abu Zur`ah said, "He narrated baseless ahaadeeth"; Dhahabi gave some hadeeth because of which he disparaged him, among them being this one, and then said, "This is one of his calamities!"

2.2) "Whatever you are given from the Book of Allaah is to be acted upon; there is no excuse for anyone to leave it. If it is not in the Book of Allaah, then (act upon) a previous example (sunnah) of mine. If there is no previous example (sunnah) of mine, then (act upon) what my Companions say: verily, my Companions are of the station of the stars in the sky, so whichever of them you take, you will be guided, and the disagreement of my Companions is a mercy for you."

Mawdoo` (Fabricated). Collected by Khateeb in al-Kifaayah fi `Ilm ar-Riwaayah [p.48] and also by Abul-`Abbaas al-Asamm in the his Hadeeth (no. 142), & Ibn 'Asaakir [7/315/2] by way of:

Sulaimaan ibn Abi Kareemah from Juwaibir from ad-Dahhaak from Ibn `Abbaas from The Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam).

This isnaad is da`eef jiddan (very weak).

About Sulaimaan ibn Abi Kareemah, Ibn Abi Haatim [2/1/138] reported from his father about him, "He is weak in hadeeth."

Juwaibir is Ibn Sa`eed al-Azadee, and is matrook (abandoned) as Daaraqutnee, Nasaa`i and others have said, and Ibn al-Madeeni declared him to be very weak.

Dahhaak is Ibn Muzaahim al-Hilaalee, and he did not meet Ibn `Abbaas.

`Iraaqi quoted the last part of the hadeeth in his Takhreej of Ghazaali's Ihyaa' `Uloom ad-Deen [1/25] and then said, "Its isnaad is da`eef."

The isnaad is actually very weak due to what we have mentioned about Juwaibir, as Sakhaawi said in al-Maqaasid . In meaning, however, the hadeeth is fabricated, as is clear from what has preceeded and what will follow.

Suyooti quoted the hadeeth in its entirety at the begining of his treatise Jazeel al-Mawaahib fi Ikhtilaaf al-Madhaahib from the narration of Bayhaqi in al-Madkhal, and Dailami related it from this route, as occurs in al-Mawdoo`aat of `Ali al-Qaari [p.19]. Once you know this, then the saying of Suyooti in his aforementioned treatise is very strange: "... and this hadeeth contains several points to note; among them his (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) informing of the disagreements between the madhaahib in non-fundamental matters, and that is one of his miracles, since it is information about the Unseen; also, his being pleased with that and approving of it, since he described it as a mercy, and that the burdened person may choose whichever of them he wishes."

It could be said to him: first establish the throne, and then sit. What he has mentioned about the choice is false: it is not possible for the Muslim to cling to it and act upon its generality, since it leads to breaking away from the restrictions of the Sharee`ah, as is not hard to see. See also the discussion under 2.4 below.

2.3) "I asked my Lord about that which my Companions would disagri about after me, so Allaah inspired me: O Muhammad! Your Companions are to Me of the station of the stars in the sky - some are brighter than others; so whoever takes from any of them in those matters where they have differed, then to Me, he is upon guidance."

Mawdoo` (Fabricated). Reported by Ibn Battah in al-Ibaanah [4/11/2], Khateeb, Nizam al-Malik in al-Amaali [13/2], Diyaa' in al-Muntaqaa `an Masmoo`aatihi bimaroo [116/2] & Ibn `Asaakir [6/303/1] by way of:

Nu`aim ibn Hammaad, who said: `Abdur-Raheem ibn Zaid narrated to us from his father from Sa`eed ibn al-Musayyib from `Umar ibn al-Khattaab from the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam).

This isnaad is mawdoo`.

Nu`aim ibn Hammaad is weak: Ibn Hajar said, "He makes many mistakes."

About `Abdur-Raheem ibn Zaid al-`Ammee, al-Bukhaari said, "He was abandoned"; Abu Haatim said, "His ahaadeeth are abandoned: he is unacceptable in hadeeth - he used to undermine his father by narrating disasters from him"; Ibn Ma`een said, "He was an utter, filthy liar."

About his father, Zaid al-`Ammi ibn al-Hawaaree, Ibn Sa`d said, "He was weak in hadeeth."

Suyooti recorded this hadeeth in al-Jaami` as-Sagheer through the narration of Sijizzi in al-Ibaanah and Ibn `Asaakir from `Umar; Manaawi said in his commentary on al-Jaami` as-Sagheer :

Ibn al-Jawzi said in his al-`Ilal, "This is not authentic. Nu`aim has been disparaged; Ibn Ma`een has described `Abdur-Raheem as an utter liar; it says in al-Meezaan: This hadeeth is false."

2.4) "Verily, my Companions are like the stars: so if you accept any of their sayings, you will be guided."

Mawdoo` (Fabricated). Ibn `Abdul-Barr reports it in mu`allaq (suspended, i.e. an incomplete chain of narrators at the collector's end) form and Ibn Hazm reports it from him; the complete chain was provided by `Abd ibn Humaid in al-Muntakhab min al-Musnad (86/1):

Ahmad ibn Yoonus informed me: Abu Shihaab al-Hannaat narrated to us, from Hamzah al-Jazree, from Naafee`, from Ibn `Umar from the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam).

Also, Ibn Battah narrated it in al-Ibaanah [4/11/2] by another chain from Abu Shihaab.

Ibn `Abdul-Barr said, "This isnaad is not authentic; no one acceptable as proof has reported it from Naafee`."

This Hamzah is Ibn Abi Hamzah; Daaraqutni said about him, "Matrook (abandoned)"; Ibn `Adi said, "His narrations are mostly fabricated"; Ibn Hibbaan said, "He would be alone in narrating things which are fabricated from reliable narrators, to such an extent that it is as if he did so deliberately - it is not permissible to narrate from him"; Dhahabi quoted some of his fabricated ahaadeeth in al-Meezaan, this being one of them.

Ibn Hazm said in al-Ihkaam (6/83), after declaring that this hadeeth (no. 2, with all its versions) is undoubtedly a lie since it also contradicts many aayaat of the Qur'aan, e.g. Najm (53:3-4), Nisaa' (4:82), Anfaal (8:46), the following:

"... therefore, it is absurd that the Messenger (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) would command us to follow every view expressed by the Companions, may Allaah be pleased with them all, for there were among them those who permitted something while others prohibited it: if the above were the case, trading in intoxicants would be permissible if one followed Samurah ibn Jundub; it would be permissible for someone fasting to eat snow if one followed Abu Talhah, but prohibited by following others beside him; to not take a bath due to incomplete intercourse would be obligatory if one followed `Ali, `Uthmaan, Talhah, Abu Ayyoob and Ubayy ibn Ka`b, but prohibited if one followed `Aa'ishah and Ibn `Umar; all these examples have been related to us with authentic chains of narration."

He then went on to explain at length some opinions expressed by Companions in which they were wrong about the Sunnah, both during the lifetime of the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) and after his death. He then said (6/86),

"So how can it be allowable to blindly follow the opinions of people who make mistakes as well as get it right?!"

Before that, he had explained, under the heading Differing Condemned (5/64), the error of those who say, "Disagreement is a mercy", using as evidence the hadeeth, "My Companions are like the stars: whichever of them you follow, you will be rightly-guided", by clarifying that the hadeeth is a lie for several reasons:

(i) it is not authentic with regard to its chain of narration;

(ii) further, the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) could not have commanded us to follow something which he himself had declared erroneous at times; e.g. he pointed out Abu Bakr's mistake in interpreting a dream, `Umar's error in another interpretation, and Abus-Sanaabil's going wrong in a verdict he gave; hence, it is not possible for him to order us to follow someone mistaken;

(iii) the Prophet (sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam) never spoke falsehood; his words were always truth: the comparison with the stars is clearly flawed, since for example, if someone intends to travel a certain route directed by the stars in the constellation of Capricorn, but instead follows the stars in Cancer, he will not be correctly-guided, but will stray far away from the correct path and err tremendously; therefore, it is obviously false to say that following any star will guide one correctly.

Ibn al-Mulaqqin gave a summarised version of Ibn Hazm's words in his al-Khulaasah [2/175], endorsed it and ended his discussion of the hadeeth saying: Ibn Hazm said,"This is an invented, fabricated, false narration, not correct at all."

[Abu Dajanaa]

The narration about Tariq bin Ziyad(rah) burning the ships upon reaching andalus?

[hazratji]

Mufti Taqi Usmani saab has mentioned it as a hadith , and has also given a reference. If i am not wrong , it was Kanzul Iman.

Is it fine to quote these hadith and give a reference ?

Salafi claim that the hadith about not doing Rafa Yadein is weak and Zaeef. If this is so, then why we practice on this hadith . Althought there may be many other sources from where it is proven not to do Rafay Yadaein but what about the hadith ?

[umar_italy]

:salam:

Nice to be back on my favourite forum on the net.. ;-)

I'd like to know the status of the well-known story of the old Jew who everyday left his garbage in front of RasuluLlah :saw:; one day RasuluLlah (:saw:) didn't find the garbage and worried about the Jew's health, so he went visiting him in his house, and at the end the Jew accepted Islam.
Obvioulsy this is just a summary to make clear what I'm talking about.. Well, is it recorded in ahadith? If so, where and with what authenticity? If not, where does it come from?

:jazak:

:ws:

[True Life]

:salam:

One query about when Rasulullah :saw: and his companion Sayyidina Abu Bakr :anhu: during their Hijrah took shelter in the cave of Thawr. How authentic is the narration, that Allah Subhanahu protected them by the means of a spider-web? I heard it's Dhaeef and am curious now...

[umar_italy]

Bump..


:salam:

Nice to be back on my favourite forum on the net.. ;-)

I'd like to know the status of the well-known story of the old Jew who everyday left his garbage in front of RasuluLlah :saw:; one day RasuluLlah (:saw:) didn't find the garbage and worried about the Jew's health, so he went visiting him in his house, and at the end the Jew accepted Islam.
Obvioulsy this is just a summary to make clear what I'm talking about.. Well, is it recorded in ahadith? If so, where and with what authenticity? If not, where does it come from?

:jazak:

:ws:

[abulayl]

:salam:

One query about when Rasulullah :saw: and his companion Sayyidina Abu Bakr :anhu: during their Hijrah took shelter in the cave of Thawr. How authentic is the narration, that Allah Subhanahu protected them by the means of a spider-web? I heard it's Dhaeef and am curious now...:salam: The story of the spider’s web was narrated by Imam Ahmad (3241) The scholars differed concerning this hadeeth. Its isnaad was classed as hasan by al-Haafiz ibn Hajar in Fath al-Baari and by Ibn Katheer in al-Bidaayah wa’l-Nihaayah (3/222).

[True Life]

:ws:
The story of the spider’s web was narrated by Imam Ahmad (3241) The scholars differed concerning this hadeeth. Its isnaad was classed as hasan by al-Haafiz ibn Hajar in Fath al-Baari and by Ibn Katheer in al-Bidaayah wa’l-Nihaayah (3/222).:jazak: I'll use that info on YT to clarify (not debate), if you allow.

[abulayl]

:ws::jazak: I'll use that info on YT to clarify (not debate), if you allow.:salam:
They will use sh.albani(rh)´s grading of hadith for saying its weak, may be there were 1-2 also who said weak. If you can deal with Ilm Ur-Rijal, then do us. Otherwise mention the scholars name who graded it as hasan(ibn hajar and ibn kathir), and khalas. And the story is mentioned nearly by every writters who wrote book about seerah.

[dr76]

Assalam alaikum..
rightly said ..Albani was never a muhaddith and had no sanad in hadith.. yet his his personal deviant veiws on hadith are taken as opinions on salafi editions of bukhari..
wa assalam..

[abulayl]

yet his his personal deviant veiws on hadith are taken as opinions on salafi editions of bukhari..
wa assalam..:salam: Just to bring a balance , he wasnt the first who had objection about the authencity of hadith in bukhari and muslim, there have been very few muhaddithin before, who had same thinking like him.

[Adnan bin Khalid]

Did anyone ever mention the saying about how the Prophet saying smelling a fragrance from Hind or something similar... I've heard its fabricated.

[abulayl]

Did anyone ever mention the saying about how the Prophet saying smelling a fragrance from Hind or something similar... I've heard its fabricated.
This may answer your query bit:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?40260-Sources-of-hadith&highlight=hind

[abulayl]

In this thread 5-6 fabricated hadith were discussed under presence of our respected mufti saab:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?23213-500-Years-of-Worship

[Talib84]

Assalamu Alaikum

The statement 'I was a hidden treasure and I wanted to be known' is mentioned as a hadith qudsi. Posts on other threads of this forum say the meaning is correct, but there is no chain for this statement for it to be cosidered a hadith. I see it being quoted on askimam website as a hadith qudsi.

It is mentioned in a Hadith-e-Qudsi, Allah Ta'ala says, "I was a hidden treasure. I desired to be known so I created the creation." Allah created the world for our pleasure but it is Fard to love Allah Ta'ala and Nabi (sallalaahu alayhi wassallam). That degree of love is compulsory which would keep the person away from the disobedience and displeasure of Allah Ta'ala and Nabi (sallalaahu alayhi wassallam) which would cause one to fulfill all the commandments of Allah Ta'ala for HIS pleasure alone.
http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/ask.pl?q=9993&act=view

Is there a difference of opinion on whether the hadith is fabricated or not? Does Mufti Desai accept this hadith? Perhaps Mufti Husain or Ml Abu Hajira can comment.


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[AmatullahxXx]

Asalamualaykum. I heard from Mlna Tariq jamil's bayan. Riwayat by ibnu abid dunya that Allah ta'ala aasmaan se sahih yaqin bohot thore utaare aur ache akhlaq bohot thore taqsim kiye.. I need the hawala of the hadith and its stage of authencity. Shukran jazilan!

[verdana]

What language is that?

[sky_blue]

Urdu

[The Fake Shaykh]

Asalamualaykum. I heard from Mlna Tariq jamil's bayan. Riwayat by ibnu abid dunya that Allah ta'ala aasmaan se sahih yaqin bohot thore utaare aur ache akhlaq bohot thore taqsim kiye.. I need the hawala of the hadith and its stage of authencity. Shukran jazilan!

walaykum salam,

im sure you can find it in one of his many books:rolleyes: good luck:lol:

Al A'qubbat : Ibn Abi Dunya, Abi Bakr Abdullah bin Muhammad
Al Ju'aa: Ibn Abi Dunya, Abu Bakr Abdullah bin Muhammad (Arabi
Al Riqqah Wal Buka'u: Ibn Abi Dunya, Abu Bakr Abdullah bin Muha
Al Sabr: Ibn Abi Dunya, Abu Bakr Abdullah bin Muhammad
HELL:(Siffat-un-Nar) Ibn Abu Ad-Dunya
Istinaa' Al Marouf: Hafiz Ibn Abi Dunya, Abu Bakr Abdullah bin
Mawsu'at Ibn Abi Al Dunya, Hafiz Abi Bakr Abdullah bin Muhammad
Qadaa Al Hawaaij : Al Hafiz Abi Bakr Abdullah ibn Abi Dunya
Qisar Ul Amal: Ibn Abi Dunya, Abu Bakr Abdullah bin Muhamma

[Abd-Rahmaan]

من كتب الصلاة في كتاب: قال النبي {صلى الله عليه وسلم} من صلى علي في كتاب لم تزل الملائكة تصلي عليه ما دام اسمي في ذلك الكتاب)
ذكره المنذري في الترغيب والترهيب (1/110).

"He who sends prayers and peace on me in a book, the angels never cease in sending prayers upon him as long as my name is in that book."

What is the status of this hadith?

:jazak:

[Abd al-Hayy]

Imam al-Ajluni has mentioned this narration in Kashf al-Khafa' with a slightly different wording and has stated: 'Al-Tabarani reported it in al-Awsat; and Ibn Abi Shayba; and al-Mustaghfiri in al-Da'awaat- with a weak chain of transmission.'

Imam al-Haythami stated in Majma' al-Zawa'id, after attributing it to al-Awsat: 'In it (i.e. the chain of transmission) is Bishr ibn Ubayd al-Darisi; al-Azdi and others have called him a liar.'

Imam al-Dhahabi cited this report in Mizan al-I'tidal under the aforementioned narrator's biography and said: 'It is fabricated (mawdu').' Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani concurred in Lisan al-Mizan.

And Allah Most High knows best.

[Abd-Rahmaan]

Thank you brother Abd al-Hay, may Allah reward you.

What do you make of the following that I found in Fazail Durood;


Even though this ḥadīth is weak (ḍaīf), it is appropriate to mention it at this
point. Ibn Jawzī’s (may Allāh have mercy on him) declaring this ḥadīth fabricated
should not be taken note of, because this ḥadīth has many chains of narration that
remove it from the category of fabrication and indicate that there is support to this
ḥadīth.

Ṭabrānī has narrated this on the authority of Sayyidunā Abū Hurayra ,
Ibn Adī on the authority of Sayyidunā Abū Bakr , Iṣbahānī on the authority of
Sayyidunā Ibn Abbās and Abū Nuaym on the authority of Sayyidatunā
Ā‘isha.

The author of Itḥāf has also discussed its chains of narration. He says that
Allāma Sakhāwī (may Allāh have mercy on him) said this ḥadīth has been
narrated on the authority of Jafar Ṣādiq (may Allāh have mercy on him) as a
mawqūf narration [not directly from the Prophet(Sallallahu A’lihi Wassalam) ].
Ibn Qayyim (may Allāh have mercy on him) says that this is more correct.

[Abd al-Hayy]

Hafiz al-Iraqi said in his work on Ihya’ Ulum al-Din: ‘Al-Tabarani reported it in al-Awsat; and Abu al-Shaykh in al-Thawab; and al-Mustaghfiri in al-Da’awaat- from Abu Huraira with a weak chain of transmission.’

Murtada al-Zabidi in his commentary on Ihya’ al-Ulum (Ithaf) added to the above: ‘Abu al-Qasim also narrated it in al-Targhib; and al-Khatib in Sharaf Ashab al-Hadith; and Ibn Bashkuwal- with a weak chain of transmission.’

He further mentions: ‘It is reported from Abu Bakr that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: “Whoever writes knowledge from me and writes salutations upon me along with it, he will continue to receive reward for as long as that writing is read.” Al-Daraqutni, Ibn Bashkuwal from the former’s channel, and Ibn Adi reported it. (End of al-Zabidi’s Ithaf al-Sadat al-Muttaqin)

Imam al-Sakhawi has written in al-Qawl al-Badi’: It is reported from Ibn Abbas that Allah’s Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: “Whoever sends salutations upon me in a writing, blessings will continue to stream for him for as long as my name remains in that writing.” Abu al-Qasim al-Taymi reported it in his al-Targhib and Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-Hashimi; in its chain is a narrator accused of lying. Ibn Kathir said that this Hadith is not authenticated from many channels, and it has also been reported from Abu Huraira but that too is not authenticated; and al-Dhahabi said: “I regard it as fabricated.”

It has also been reported as mawquf (halted) upon Ja’far ibn Muhammad, and Ibn al-Qayyim said [in Jala’ al-Afham] that this is most likely. Muhammad ibn Humayd reported from him, that he said: “Whoever sends salat upon the Messenger of Allah in writing, the angels will send salat upon him morning and evening for as long as the name of the Messenger of Allah remains in that writing.” (End of Sakhawi’s al-Qawl al-Badi’)

The mawquf narration of Ja’far ibn Muhammad will most probably be termed in the technical terms of the Hadith scholars as ‘mawquf fi hukm al-marfu’ i.e. a narration that is not actually a statement of the Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace) but it is something that the speaker could not have said of his own opinion, rather, its basis would have to be a teaching of the Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace)

As we see from the aforementioned texts, there are many channels of narrations with this issue. What we mentioned in an earlier post was a verdict on one such chain of transmission, and that too, according to Ibn Hajar and al-Dhahabi.

Nevertheless, it cannot be doubted that the virtue of even writing salat upon the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) is vast. There has been much emphasis placed upon this by the scholars of Hadith from the earliest centuries and many wonderful experiences have been recorded for those who brought this into practice. The scholars of Islam even disliked abbreviations of the salat, and this is something which should be avoided as much as possible.

Allah grant us the love for His Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), love the likes of which the Hadith scholars had for him, and of course, the Companions (Allah be pleased with them all).

And Allah Most High knows best.

[MohammadMufti]

:salam: The story of the spider’s web was narrated by Imam Ahmad (3241) The scholars differed concerning this hadeeth. Its isnaad was classed as hasan by al-Haafiz ibn Hajar in Fath al-Baari and by Ibn Katheer in al-Bidaayah wa’l-Nihaayah (3/222).

Sh. Shua'yb Arnout comments on this riwayah, mentions the explicit statement of our Imam (rah) and also suggests that the elevation of it is a mistake:




تعليق شعيب الأرنؤوط : إسناده ضعيف . عثمان الجزري قال أحمد : روى أحاديث مناكير زعموا أنه ذهب كتابه وقال ابن أبي حاتم : سألت عنه أبي فقال ما أعلم روى عنه غير معمر والنعمان . وقد أخطأ الهيثمي وتابعه أحمد شاكر وحبيب الرحمن فظنوه عثمان بن عمرو بن ساج الجزري المترجم في التهذيب وقال ابن كثير في تاريخه : وهذا إسناد حسن ! وهو من أجود ما روي في قصة نسج العنكبوت على فم الغار


I did a cursory look at this riwayah in Sh. Ahmed Shakir' tehqeeq but he merely comments (rough translation:) ...'Usman ibn 'amru al-jazari, who is thiqah of Ibn Hibban (rah) and weak by the others..." than he says to go see the other narrations of it for full details on those ones where he probably elevated the narration by other means. So this chain itself doesn't seem to be good according to the scholars. wallahu alam.

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

I was always under the impression that hadith 'Caliphate will last 30 years' is an authentic narration and accepted by all. But apparently, Qadi Abu Bakar ibn 'Arabi (d: 543H /may Allah have mercy on him) declared it not reliable in his Al-'Awasim min al-Qawasim. Were there any other scholars who sided with him?

He writes,


وهذا حديث لا يصح ولو صح فهو معارض: فان قيل ألم يكن في الصحابة أقعد بالأمر من معاوية. قلنا كثير ولكن معاوية اجتمعت فيه خصال وهي أن عمر جمع له الشامات كلها وأفرده ﺑﻬا لما رأى من حسن سيرته وقيامه بحماية البيضة وسد الثغور وإصلاح الجند والظهور على العدو وسياسة الخلق. وقد شهد له في صحيح الحديث بالفقه وشهد بخلافته في حديث أم حرام أن ناسا من أمته يركبون ثبج البحر الأخضر ملوكا على الأسرة أو مثل الملوك على الأسرة. وكان ذلك في ولايته

"That the hadith is not reliable; since if it is reliable it will contradict other traditions. If anyone says whether there was none better than Sayyiduna Mu’awiyyah (may Allah be pleased with him) for managing affairs, we shall say there were many more, but Sayyiduna Mu’awiyyah combined all good virtues; Sayyiduna 'Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) entrusted to him alone the affairs of entire Syria as he saw his good conduct, safeguarding of Muslim cause, protection of frontiers, reformation of army, conquest of the enemy and managing the affairs. And, an authentic hadith bears witness of fiqh for him and his caliphate was testified by the hadith of Umm Haram (may Allah be pleased with her) that some people of my Ummah will ride the waves of green sea like kings on their throne, and this happened in his reign."

[Abu Dajanaa]

:salam:

Brother saad, can u please quote the hadith in question?

:jazak:

[MohammadMufti]

These people only presented the opinion of al-Albani (rah) on them but it'll be a place to start:



[1] (from Huzaifa (ra))
خلافة النبوة ثلاثون سنة ثم يؤتي الله الملك من يشاء

"The Prophetic khilaafah will last for thirty years. Then Allaah will give the dominion to whomever He wills."

Reported by Abu Dawud and al-Haakim. Saheeh al-Jaami' as-Sagheer (no. 3257) declared Saheeh by Imaam al-Albaani (rahimahullaah).

[2]
قال سفينة: امسك، خلافة أبي بكر رضي الله عنه سنتين، وعمر رضي الله عنه عشراً، وعثمان رضي الله عنه اثنتي عشر، وعلي ستّاً

"Safeenah said (to me): Hold on (meaning, listen), the khilaafah of Abu Bakr (radiallaahu anhu) was two years, and [that of] Umar (radiallaahu anhu) was ten years, and [that of] Uthmaan (radiallaahu anhu) twelve years, and [that of] Alee (radiallaahu anhu) six years."

Abu Dawud, Kitaab us-Sunnah, Chapter on the Khulafaa, (no. 4647).

[3]
الخلافة بعدي في أمتي ثلاثون سنة ثم ملك بعد ذلك

"The khilaafah after me in my Ummah will last for thirty years. Then there will be kingship after that."

Reported in the Musnad Imaam Ahmad, by at-Tirmidhi, Musnad Abi Ya'laa, and Ibn Hibbaan. Saheeh al-Jaami' as-Sagheer (no. 3341) declared Saheeh by Imaam al-Albaani (rahimahullaah).

...


[2] Technically it isn't really a witnessing report (I removed the others that weren't but this one is similar enough in topic)
[3] at-Tirmidhi said hasan in his sunnan (according 14961 - Kanz ul Ummal). The report has a number of lengthier wordings and is found Imaam Ahmed's musnad with the following chains (from tehqeeq of musnad of Shu'ayb Arnout):



21969 - حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبى ثنا بهز ثنا حماد بن سلمة ثنا سعيد بن جمهان ح وعبد الصمد حدثني سعيد بن جمهان عن سفينة
إسناده حسن رجاله ثقات رجال الصحيح غير سعيد بن جمهان

21973 - حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبى ثنا زيد بن الحباب حدثني حماد يعنى بن سلمة عن سعيد بن جمهان حدثني سفينة أبو عبد الرحمن
إسناده حسن رجاله ثقات رجال الصحيح غير سعيد بن جمهان فهو صدوق من رجال أصحاب السنن

21978 - حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبى ثنا أبو النضر ثنا حشرج بن نباتة العبسي كوفي ثنا سعيد بن جمهان حدثني سفينة
إسناده حسن


All three of these asanid come through Sa'eed ibn Jumhan, this is also the case with it as it was recorded by at-Tirmidhi (rah).

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

Famous fabricated story. (http://askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=5bd1f75c27a67b45fe4269e892e0b6f2)

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

Books that deal with fabricated (mawdu’) hadiths.

1. Tadhkirah al-Huffaz – Muhammad bin Tahir al-Maqdisi (d: 507H). In the book he relied on Al-Majruhin of Ibn Hibban (d: 344H).

2. Dhakhirah al-Huffaz - Muhammad bin Tahir al-Maqdisi. He relied on Al-Kamil of Ibn ‘Adi (d: 365H).

3. Al-Abatil wal-Manakir – Abu ‘Abdullah Hussain Jawzqani (d: 543H). Ibn Jawzi and Al-Suyuti heavily relied on this book.

4. Al-Mawdu’at – Ibn al-Jawzi (d: 597H). This is the most famous and detailed book on this topic. He collected fabricated hadiths from Al-Kamil of ibn ‘Adi, Kitab al-Du’afah of Ibn Hibban, Al-Du’afah of Ibn ‘Aqili, Ma’ajim of Al-Tabarani, books of Ibn Shahin and Khatib Baghdadi, Hilyat al-Awliya, Tarikh of Abu Nu’aym, Tarikh of Hakim and Al-Abatil of Jawzqani. He was criticized for being too ‘harsh’ in grading hadiths and even declared one hadith from Sahih Bukhari and two from Sahih Muslim to be fabricated.

5. Al-‘Ilal – Ibn Jawzi.

6. Al-Ahadith al-Mawdu’ah – Abu Hafs Zayn al-Din al-Mosuli (d: 622H). He totally relied on Ibn al-Jawzi.

7. Al-Mughni – Abu Hafs al-Mosuli.

8. Al-Durar al-Multaqit fi Tanbih al-Ghalat – Razi al-Din Abul Fadhl al-Thagani (d: 650H).

9. Maqdu’at al-Thagani - Razi al-Din Thagani. He is considered ‘harsh’ like Ibn Jawzi.

10. Al-Ahadith al-Mawdu’ah – ‘Abd al-Salam bin Taymiyyah (d: 652H).

11. Al-Ahadith al-Qasaas – Ibn Taymiyyah (d: 728H). He dealt with those fabricated narrations that had become famous among orators and story tellers.

12. Ahadith Dha’ifah wa-Mawdu’at – Abu ‘Abdullah Shams al-Din al-Maqdisi (d: 744H). He relied on Minhaj al-Sunnah of Ibn Taymiyyah.

13. Takhlis – Shams al-Din al-Dhahabi (d: 748H). It is a summary and critique of Ibn Jawzi’s Al-‘Ilal.

14. Takhlis al-Mawdu’at – Al-Dhahabi. It is a summary and critique of Ibn Jawzi’s Al-Mawdu’at.

15. Al-Ahadith al-Mukhtarah – Al-Dhahabi. Collected fabricated hadiths from Al-Abatil of Jawzqani and Al-Mawdu’at of Ibn Jawzi.

16. Al-Manar al-Manif – Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah (d: 751H). Primarily a summary of Ibn Jawzi’s Al-Mawdu’at with additional valuable addition. Mulla ‘Ali Qari heavily relied on this book for his Mawdu’at.

17. Al-Ahadith Allati la Asl liha fi Kitab al-Ihya' – Taaj al-Din Subki (d: 771H). Collection of fabricated hadiths mentioned in Ihya al-‘Ulum of Al-Ghazzali.

18. Al-Tadhkirah – Badr al-Din al-Zarkashi (d: 794H). It deals with fabricated narrations that had become famous among the masses.

19. Khatimah Safr al-Siadah – Muhammad bin Yaqub al-Fayruzabadi (d: 817H).

20. Tibyin al-‘Ajib – Ibn Hajr ‘Asqalani (d: 852H). He mentioned those fabricated hadiths related to the month of Rajab.

21. Al-Maqasid al-Hasnah – Muhammad al-Sakhawi (d: 902H). Those narrations that had become widespread among the people.

22. Al-La’alil Masnu’ah – Jalal al-Din Suyuti (d: 911H). Summary and critique of Al-Mawdu’at of Ibn al-Jawzi.

23. Dhayl al-La’alil al-Masnu’ah – Al-Suyuti.

24. Tadhkirah al-Khawwas – Al-Suyuti. It deals with those narrations had become widespread among the orators.

25. Al-Ghumaz – Nur al-Din Samhudi (d: 911H).

26. Tanzih al-Shari’ah – ‘Ali bin 'Arraq al-Dimishqi (d: 963H). Summary of books written so far on this topic and is considered one of the most detailed books in this field.

27. Tadhkirah al-Mawdu’at – Muhammad bin Tahir al-Hindi al-Patni (d: 986H). He only listed those hadiths that are declared fabricated by most, if not all, of the hadith scholars. He also criticized Ibn al-Jawzi for his ‘harshness’ while grading hadiths.

28. Al-Athar al-Marfu’ah – Mulla ‘Ali al-Qari (d: 1014H). This book, also known as Al-Mawdu’at al-Kubra, lists those hadiths that are declared fabricated by most, if not all, of the hadith scholars. In this book he has listed 1350 fabricated hadiths.

29. Al-Mathnu’ - Mulla ‘Ali al-Qari. This is also known as Mawdu’at al-Sughra.

30. Al-Fawaid al-Mawdu’at – Mari’ Yusuf al-Maqdisi (d: 1033H) He mostly listed those fabricated narrations regarding Sayyiduna Hussain and Yazid.

31. Al-Jad al-Hathith – Ahmad bin ‘Abd al-Karim ‘Aamri (d: 1143H).

32. Kashf al-Khifa – Ismail bin Muhmmad ‘Ijluni (d: 1162H). It is one of the most detailed and comprehensive book on this topic.

33. Kashf al-Ilahi – Muhammad bin Muhammad al-Hussaini (d: 1177H).

34. Al-Durar al-Mawdu’at – Shams al-Din al-Isfarini (d: 1188H). It is a summary of Ibn Jawzi’s Al-Mawdu’at.

35. Al-Nukhbah al-Bahiyyah – Muhammad Azhari Al-Amir al-Kabir (d: 1233H).

36. Al-Fawaid al-Majmu’ah – Muhammad al-Shawkani (d: 1250H). He relied on most of the early books written so far on this topic.

37. Al-Athar al-Marfu’ah – ‘Abd al-Hay Lukhnawi (d: 1304H). It deals with those fabricated narrations famous among the people and usually mentioned in mawlid gatherings. It also deals with fabricated hadiths regarding specific prayers on specific days.

38. Al-Lulu’ al-Marsu’ – Shams al-Din al-Qawuqji al-Tarablusi al-Hanafi (d: 1305H). He has gathered 742 fabricated hadiths in this book.

39. Tahzir al-Muslimin – Muhammad bin Bashir al-Azhari (d: 1329H).

40. Silsilah al-Ahadith – Muhammad Nasir al-Din Albani.

41. Al-Mughir ‘ala al-Ahadith al-Mawdu’ah fi Jami’ al-Saghir – Ahmad Siddiq al-Ghumari – This is a critique of Jami’ al-Saghir of Al-Suyuti. In this book he has gathered fabricated hadiths mentioned in Jami’ al-Saghir of Al-Suyuti. He mentions that it is surprising that Al-Suyuti wrote in the preface that he will not bring any fabricated hadiths in this book but he has listed many which are obvious fabrications. He says that what is even more surprising is that many of these hadiths were declared fabricated by Al-Suyuti in his Al-La’alil al-Masnu’ah and Dhayl al-La’alil al-Masnu’ah. He also mentions that Al-Suyuti is too ‘lenient’ while grading hadiths.

42. Al-Durar al-Bahyiyyah – Yusuf Khattar Muhammad.

43. Al-Tahdith – Bakr bin ‘Abdullah Abu Zayd.

44. Bayan Mawdu’ wal-Dh’aif – ‘Umru ‘Abd al-Mun’im Salim.

45. Al-Ahadith al-Dha’af wal-Mawdu’at – Zakariyya bin Ghulam Qadir.

46. Al-Subal al-Sawiyyah - Zakariyya bin Ghulam Qadir.

[Saad]

:salam:

The Story of Bilal (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?50820-Authencity-of-the-story-of-bilal%28rd%29-coming-in-madina&highlight=bilal)

But make sure you read what Hadrat Mufti Husain sahib mentioned:

Assalam o alaykum,

'Allamah Muhaddith Tahir Patni and Qadi Shawkani have also declared this story as a fabrication.

[umm suhan]

salam everyone
could someone explain me what a mawdhu hadith is? i really dont understand it, can we do amal on the mawdhu hadith? and how came we find mawdhu ahadith in sihah sitaa?

[Brother A]

Assalamu Alaikum

al-mawdu’ (fabricated) -

Linguistically - That brought or put down.
Technically – It is a lie, invented and attributed to the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa sallam)

Its level: It is the worst and most evil of all the rejected Ahadith. Some scholars place it in a class of its
own, not holding it to be a type of weak Hadith.

The ruling regarding its narration: Scholars have agreed that it is not permissible to narrate it except to
explain that it is fabricated.

How is it detected? - It is known by various means, from them:
1) The fabricators later admitting it.
2) That which is the same as his admitting it, such as his admitting that his alleged Shaykh died before the
narrator's birth.
3) Some outward indication, e.g. that the narrator is a Rafidi (Shi’i) and the narration supports his party.
4) Some textual indication, e.g. unbefitting language or a contradiction of the clear text of the Qur’an.

For the second part of your question.
Yes, you can find forged hadith in Ibn Majah and a few in Jami Tirmirdhi.

Sister i would request you to buy a CD on the Science of Hadith, so you are clear with these kinds of term that you are looking. There is a CD which is called "An introduction to the Science of Hadith" by Shaykh Abul Hasan Hussain Ahmed, the CD includes a coursepack as a pdf and as well as the shaykh is explaing it.

Just visit the link below InshaAllah if you want to buy:

http://www.sunnicourses.com/

I hope you understood the information that i have provided InshaAllah.

[True Life]

:salam:

Shifa in the left-over food of a believer?


(Fatwa: 1157/L=238/L/1430) (http://www.darulifta-deoband.org/viewfatwa.jsp?ID=14745)

Allamah Iraqi says about this (سور المؤمن شفاء) is widely known among common people as Hadith, but there is no Hadith with these wordings:
اورد القاری الھروی فی کتابہ الموضوعات الصغری رقم 150 حدیث سور المؤمن شفاء، قال العراقی ھکذا اشتھر علی الالسنۃ ولا اصل لہ بھذا اللفظ، واما ما یدور علی الالسنۃ من قولھم سور المؤمن شفاء رقم 1500 فیصدق بہ مارواہ الدار قطنی فی الافراد عن ابن عباس رفعہ: من التواضع ان یشرب الرجل من اخیہ، کذا فی المقاصد۔ فما فی موضوعات القاری من انھما لا اصل لھما فی المرفوع لعلہ یرید بلفظہ ثم یقول: رایتہ فی الکبری قال: فی کل منھما معناہ صحیح فاعرفہ (کنز العمال) وکذا فی کشف الخفاء والمزیل والاسرار المرفوعۃ فی الالباس الموضوعۃ

Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'ala) Knows Best
Darul Ifta, Darul Uloom Deoband

One who talks during Adhan, can not recite Kalimah at the time of death?


(Fatwa: 2294/1877=B/1429) (http://www.darulifta-deoband.org/viewfatwa.jsp?ID=9246)

It is baseless; we do not know any such hadith. It is desirable to be silent and respond while azam is called. Responding azan is not obligatory or wajib (necessary).

Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'ala) Knows Best
Darul Ifta, Darul Uloom Deoband

[Saad]

Assalam o 'alaykum,

Abu Al-Fadl 'Abdullah ibn Al-Siddiq Al-Ghumari write in Murshid al-Ha'ir li-Bayan Wad` Hadith Jabir (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?18719-The-First-Thing-Allah-created&p=307058&viewfull=1#post307058)"

"Some of the books about the (innovated) Prophetic Mawlid narrate from the way of Abu Huraira that he said: Prophet Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace) asked angel Gabriel (may the peace of Allah be upon him): O Gabriel, how old are you? He replied: O Prophet of Allah, I do not know except that in the fourth Hijab there is a star that appears once every 70,000 years. I have seen that star 72,000 times.

Prophet Muhammad said: By the Glory of my Lord, I am that heavenly body.

And this is a Disgraceful Lie, May Allah disgrace he who fabricated it."

Mufti Saeed Khan Sahib also mentioned in his 'aqidah lectures that this narration is fabricated.

He also said,

"Some of the extreme Sufis mention that Gabriel used to receive revelation from behind a veil. Once he was able to see what is behind this veil, and he found out that it is Prophet Muhammad (Allah bless him and give him peace) that was giving him this revelation, at that point Gabriel said: from you, [and goes] to you.

I said: May Allah curse he who fabricated this foolishness that is contrary to the Qur'an. Allah –the Exalted- says to his Prophet: {And thus We have sent to you (O Muhammad) a Ruh (a Revelation, and a Mercy) of Our Command. You knew not what is the Book, nor what is Faith} [[I]Surat Al-Shura, 42:52], and He says: {The trustworthy Ruh [Gabriel has brought it down Upon your heart (O Muhammad) that you may be (one) of the warners} [Surat Al-Shu’ara, 26:193-194]."

[kunnoori]

As Salaamu alaikum.

Can anyone give me reference about "As Salaat is the Miraaj of the Momin"
Is this a Hadith?

[Abu Dajanaa]

As Salaamu alaikum.

Can anyone give me reference about "As Salaat is the Miraaj of the Momin"
Is this a Hadith?

:ws:

It is said to be a statement rather than a hadith.

Allah knows best

[dr76]

:ws:

It is said to be a statement rather than a hadith.

Allah knows best

Asslamalaikum w.w...

The Malfoozat of Hazrat Maulana Mahmood Hassan Gangohi (rah) pg 153 speaks thus of the ' As salat meraj ul mu'min' -

" I asked Moulana Madani (rah) that 'salaah is the meraaj of a mu’min' appears in many of your correspondence but you have not written its source. In which kitaab of Hadeeth does it appear?
Moulana replied, “There is no consensus of it being a fabricated narration.”
I said, “I did not even come across there being a difference of opinion regarding it. I meant that I had not seen this Hadeeth in any kitaab.”
Once, Moulana Abdurrahman Kemilpuri wrote to me asking me the source of: As Salaat meraj ul mu'min' In the presence of Moulana Ilyaas (rah) I asked Hadhrat Shaikh Zakariyya regarding this hadeeth. Hadhrat Shaikh replied that if it cannot be located in these certain two kitaabs then consider it as proven. On hearing this, Moulana Ilyaas (rah) said, “Well, there are certain books of Hadeeth whose
pages are deprived of certain ahaadeeth.”
This Hadeeth is mentioned in the correspondence of Mujaddid Alf-e-Thaani and in some of the books of Imaam Ghazaali, but its source has not been mentioned. The origins of the ahaadeeth that appear in the correspondence of Mujaddid Alf-e-Thaani have been researched and shown, but the origin of this Hadeeth has not been mentioned."

wa assalam..

[bugmenot]

:ws:

If there is no source we should refrain from saying it is a hadith.

[Saad]

Assalam o 'alaykum,

The Severity of Narrating Fabricated Reports on the Praise of the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace)

http://deoband.org/2010/08/hadith/principles-of-hadith/the-severity-of-narrating-fabricated-reports-on-the-praise-of-the-prophet-allah-bless-him-and-grant-him-peace/

[pluto]

Sw.

I end up listening to so many of these Hadith's, weak and fabricated ones.

I really do not understand why this thread is not a sticky, don't the mods think this could be useful to the general muslim ummah?

[Abu Dajanaa]

:salam:

"Love of the nation is from Iman."

Saghani, Sakhawee, Mulla Ali Qari, Albani and Ibn Uthaymeen have all said it to be fabricated.


1 - حب الوطن من الإيمان
الراوي: - المحدث: الصغاني - المصدر: موضوعات الصغاني - الصفحة أو الرقم: 53
خلاصة حكم المحدث: موضوع

2 - حب الوطن من الإيمان
الراوي: - المحدث: السخاوي - المصدر: المقاصد الحسنة - الصفحة أو الرقم: 218
خلاصة حكم المحدث: لم أقف عليه

3 - حب الوطن من الإيمان
الراوي: - المحدث: السيوطي - المصدر: الدرر المنتثرة - الصفحة أو الرقم: 65
خلاصة حكم المحدث: لم أقف عليه

4 - حب الوطن من الإيمان
الراوي: - المحدث: ملا علي قاري - المصدر: الأسرار المرفوعة - الصفحة أو الرقم: 189
خلاصة حكم المحدث: قيل لا أصل له أو بأصله موضوع

5 - حب الوطن من الإيمان
الراوي: - المحدث: محمد بن محمد الغزي - المصدر: إتقان ما يحسن - الصفحة أو الرقم: 1/222
خلاصة حكم المحدث: ليس حديثا

6 - حب الوطن من الإيمان
الراوي: - المحدث: الزرقاني - المصدر: مختصر المقاصد - الصفحة أو الرقم: 361
خلاصة حكم المحدث: لا أعرفه

7 - حب الوطن من الإيمان
الراوي: - المحدث: محمد جار الله الصعدي - المصدر: النوافح العطرة - الصفحة أو الرقم: 120
خلاصة حكم المحدث: لم يرد

8 - حب الوطن من الإيمان
الراوي: - المحدث: الألباني - المصدر: السلسلة الضعيفة - الصفحة أو الرقم: 36
خلاصة حكم المحدث: موضوع

9 - حب الوطن من الإيمان
الراوي: - المحدث: ابن عثيمين - المصدر: شرح النزهة لابن عثيمين - الصفحة أو الرقم: 55
خلاصة حكم المحدث: مشهور لا أصل له

10 - حب الوطن من الإيمان.
الراوي: - المحدث: ابن عثيمين - المصدر: شرح رياض الصالحين - الصفحة أو الرقم: 5/330
خلاصة حكم المحدث: غير صحيح

11 - حب الوطن من الإيمان
الراوي: - المحدث: ابن عثيمين - المصدر: شرح النزهة لابن عثيمين - الصفحة أو الرقم: 198
خلاصة حكم المحدث: ليس بحديث