Is it ok to listen to these shuyukh/ppl...

[fnaeem]

:salam:

just wanted to know who is from ahl us sunnah wal jamah from the following list.

http://www.aswatalislam.net/CategorySelectionMadeP.aspx?CatID=1002

even if someone is obvious to me and you, to others may not be (e.g mufti taqi) so include em all.

also those you know who have ghayr muqallid leanings. please put them in a nay list. just whatever you can do.

[ahsanirfan]

Confirmed Ahl as Sunna list

Abdul Hakim Murad
Abu Yusuf Riyad ul Haq
Ebrahim Bham
Hakeem Akhter
Hamza Yusuf
Hussain Abdus Sattar
Makki al Hijazi
Mohammad Sindhi
Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzayi
Nawal ur Rehman
Peer Syed Irfan Hussain Shah Mashadi
Suhaib Webb
Suleiman Moola
Tahirul Qadri
Taqi Usmani
Tariq Jameel
Zaid Shakir
Zulfiqar Ahmed

Confirmed Salafi or Ahle Hadith List

Abdur Raheem Green
Allama Ehsan Ilahi Zaheer
Allama Bin Baz
Bilal Philips
Farhat Hashmi
Jamal ud Din Zarabozo
Saif ur Rehman Mubarak Puri
Saleh El Saleh

Others to Avoid Generally

Israr Ahmed
Zakir Naik
Jamal Badawi

I wouldn't know about the others.

[haqq]

Ahle Sunnah Wal Jammah
Makki Al-Hijazi (http://www.aswatalislam.net/DisplayFilesP.aspx?TitleID=2033&TitleName=Makki_Al-Hijazi)
Ibrahim Memon Madani
Hakeem Akhtar

[tazkiyyah]

From the Binnori website

List of Deviant Individuals

Babur Chowdhury Founder of Rahman Raheem Foundation
Dr.Amir Liaqat QTV
Allamah Tamna Amadi
Dr Zakir Naik
Dr Farhat Hashmi founder of al huda foundation
Dr Israar Ahmad
Dr Masud usmani
Javaid Ahmad Ghaamidi

[ilm_seeker]

From the Binnori website

List of Deviant Individuals

Babur Chowdhury Founder of Rahman Raheem Foundation
Dr.Amir Liaqat QTV
Allamah Tamna Amadi
Dr Zakir Naik
Dr Farhat Hashmi founder of al huda foundation
Dr Israar Ahmad
Dr Masud usmani
Javaid Ahmad Ghaamidi
As sallamu alaikum

I don't like finding out whats wrong with ppl, but I've heard a few snipets of Babar R Chaudhury's lectures and I would like to know whats wrong him?

Wa alaikum as sallam

[tazkiyyah]

As sallamu alaikum

I don't like finding out whats wrong with ppl, but I've heard a few snipets of Babar R Chaudhury's lectures and I would like to know whats wrong him?

Wa alaikum as sallam

From his website
http://www.alrehman-alrahim.com/babarbhai.html

QUOTE-
Those who visit him know that all his answers and solutions to problems are from the Quran and Sunnah. He gives no importance to his own opinions. A major portion of his house is tastefully decorated for the comfort of the visitors. This Quran and Sunnah center has an abundant collection of books for reference, a computer room with state of the art facilities and a Quran and Sunnah with meaning for all those who attend his discourse. His greatest asset lies in his quick references to the ayats of the Quran and Sunnah as his answer to all questions

[eTeacher]

I really don't know about the other speakers but Dr. Zakir Naik a deviant? I have heard many of his speeches and I didn't find anything wrong in them. Unless since he is not a graduate of a darul uloom and delivers inspiring speeches, he is termed a deviant? weird

[ahsanirfan]

I really don't know about the other speakers but Dr. Zakir Naik a deviant? I have heard many of his speeches and I didn't find anything wrong in them. Unless since he is not a graduate of a darul uloom and delivers inspiring speeches, he is termed a deviant? weird


1) He's gone against Taqleed at least once. His argument was along the lines of "We must follow the Quran and Hadith, since now they are available to us in translation. Off course we respect the Imams, but they could be wrong."

2) In another discourse he claimed that the Prophet was not alive in his grave.

I am not sure about the second one, but the first one I remember quite clearly.

[eTeacher]

deviant is an extremely harsh word to be used for a person like him

[Mossy]

True. What is the binnori website?

[deobandi]

I really don't know about the other speakers but Dr. Zakir Naik a deviant? I have heard many of his speeches and I didn't find anything wrong in them. Unless since he is not a graduate of a darul uloom and delivers inspiring speeches, he is termed a deviant? weird

I heard one cassette of him 2 years ago that a friend gave me. Iin his speech Zakir Naik was trying to prove that wearing ties and following other western cultures is not againt Islam and it's just part of the culture and you have to follow other's culture and how he was degrading the sunnah. I gave the cassette back and told my friend not to listen to him again.

[faqir]

Akhi do you think wearing a tie is Haram or something?

[ahsanirfan]

I heard one cassette of him 2 years ago that a friend gave me. Iin his speech Zakir Naik was trying to prove that wearing ties and following other western cultures is not againt Islam and it's just part of the culture and you have to follow other's culture and how he was degrading the sunnah. I gave the cassette back and told my friend not to listen to him again.

Akhi, even Mufti Taqi Usmani has allowed wearing a tie under working conditions. I'll look for the particular reference and provide it to you.

Say you were brought up as an American. And you wore ties all your life. Now that you're Muslim, are you still wearing something "from another culture" or is the tie from your own culture?

[Ansari]

1) He's gone against Taqleed at least once. His argument was along the lines of "We must follow the Quran and Hadith, since now they are available to us in translation. Off course we respect the Imams, but they could be wrong."

yes he said this also on ary digital with the usual salafi reply. That we should throw the fatwa's of the imams away if they go against the sunnah and thus he is a "maliki, shafi'i, hanbali"

He also said in one of his speeches that sufism was not a part of islam. "Just follow quran and sunnah". He could have done better if he just looked at the definition of the sufism, which all sects agree with.

And he also said that tawassul was haram (on ary also)

[Muawiyah]

Maulana Nawal ur Rahman sahib said that Zakir Naik was Jamaat-i-Islami type

anyway, here are some of the people whose names I recall from South African/Uk madaris websites (aside from the famous`Shuyukh/popular speakers)

Abdul Majeed Nadeem
Abu Yusuf Riyadh ul Haq
Ahmed Laat
Ahmed Palanpuri
Ebrahim Bham
Hakeem Akhtar (Damat) Barkatuhum
Hakeem Akhter
Ibrahim Mogra
Imran Ibn Adam
Makki Al-Hijazi
Masood Azhar
Mohammed Sindhi
Molana Ahmed
Molana Saad
Mufti Nizam ud Din Shamzayi
Muhammad Ibn Adam
Nawal ur Rahman
Noor-ul-Amin
Suliman Moola
Taqi Usmani
Tariq Jamil
Umer Palan Pure
Zulfiqar Ahmad


Babar Chaudhery has been mentioned here (in the 5th paragraph):[Urdu] (http://www.alahnaaf.com/en/article5.html)

[muslim786]

Maulana Nawal ur Rahman sahib said that Zakir Naik was Jamaat-i-Islami type

Yeah he sort of is, more of a freelancer than anything else, hence you get the anti taqleed drivel coming through. However I think he has done an excellent job in his area of expertise, namely comparative religion.

[ahsanirfan]

Babar Chaudhery has been mentioned here (in the 5th paragraph):[Urdu] (http://www.alahnaaf.com/en/article5.html)

Lol. That was funny.

[Abu Suliman]

what about Anwar Al-Awlkhi?

[ilm_seeker]

From his website
http://www.alrehman-alrahim.com/babarbhai.html

QUOTE-
Those who visit him know that all his answers and solutions to problems are from the Quran and Sunnah. He gives no importance to his own opinions. A major portion of his house is tastefully decorated for the comfort of the visitors. This Quran and Sunnah center has an abundant collection of books for reference, a computer room with state of the art facilities and a Quran and Sunnah with meaning for all those who attend his discourse. His greatest asset lies in his quick references to the ayats of the Quran and Sunnah as his answer to all questions
As sallamu alaikum

So whats the problem? Unless you're suggesting that he's a ghayr muqalid?

Wa alaikum as sallam

[ahsanirfan]

As sallamu alaikum

So whats the problem? Unless you're suggesting that he's a ghayr muqalid?

Wa alaikum as sallam

read from the link that brother Muawiyah posted... it's in urdu...

[Mossy]

Not everyone speaks urdu..

[Hypermodestmuslima]

I really don't know about the other speakers but Dr. Zakir Naik a deviant? I have heard many of his speeches and I didn't find anything wrong in them. Unless since he is not a graduate of a darul uloom and delivers inspiring speeches, he is termed a deviant? weird
Agree!

[Sunni_Student786]

True. What is the binnori website?

Yes, what is the URL for the binnori website?

[ridhwan]

http://binoria.org/indexm.asp

[deobandi]

Akhi do you think wearing a tie is Haram or something?

Yes, brother, our Ulama have allowed us to wear a tie under working conditions. Because due to MAJBOORI. If the guy takes the tie out for example in IT field, chances are that he might loose his job and that's not good. So has to wear the tie. But he shouldn't feel happy for it, in matter of fact he should make taubah and make dua that Allah Ta'ala make his conditions better.
Lets ask Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) regard to following the cultures of Non-Muslim. I heard from my Shaikh Hazrat Mufti Nawalur Rahman Sahib while living in Makkah, Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) did not separate his hair in the middle because the mushrikin-e-makkah used to separate their hair in the middle of the head. But in Madina Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) did separate his hair in the middle because the Jews of Madina did not separate their hair. The lesson is do not follow their culture of non-Muslim. We have our pure Islamic culture. Mujaddid Alf-e-Thani (rah) used to say that there is so much noor in one small Sunnat of our Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) that if the noor was to reveal to everyone then everyone will become blind. Imagine the rank of that person who will make him self fanaa in our beloved Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wassalam)
hau fana-e-zaat main kay too naa rahain
tari hasti kaa baal w baul naa rahain

**Overall meaning is bringing Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) deeply in your life and follow him in each and every action that there is nothing of your own. No words are your own and no hair is of your own. Everything is of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam)'s.

Brother I’m not an aalim and pretty sure this cannot be used as daleel, but using common sense. Ask those who were blessed with the ziarat of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) in dream, kashf, etc. Ask them, what kind of clothes Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) wore. What colors were those clothes, how long was the beard, what color was the topi and/or turban, etc.

[faqir]

So are you saying it is Haraam but allowed only in cases of necessity?

[ahsanirfan]

using the "culture" argument for ties we might as ban pants and shirts,, since they too belong to an alien culture.. if the argument against the tie is that it is "christain" mark.. then proof needs to be provided for that.. as far as i know the ties was invented by the serbians.. to keep out the cold from their necks.... the italians took it, coz it looked cool.... and now its a worldwide thing... is it restricted to a particular culture? i think not....

[muslim786]

I just wanted to say I agree 100% with whatever Ahsanirfan says. Hes a don.

[Abu Suliman]

Yes, brother, our Ulama have allowed us to wear a tie under working conditions. Because due to MAJBOORI. If the guy takes the tie out for example in IT field, chances are that he might loose his job and that's not good. So has to wear the tie. But he shouldn't feel happy for it, in matter of fact he should make taubah and make dua that Allah Ta'ala make his conditions better.
Lets ask Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) regard to following the cultures of Non-Muslim. I heard from my Shaikh Hazrat Mufti Nawalur Rahman Sahib while living in Makkah, Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) did not separate his hair in the middle because the mushrikin-e-makkah used to separate their hair in the middle of the head. But in Madina Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) did separate his hair in the middle because the Jews of Madina did not separate their hair. The lesson is do not follow their culture of non-Muslim. We have our pure Islamic culture. Mujaddid Alf-e-Thani (rah) used to say that there is so much noor in one small Sunnat of our Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) that if the noor was to reveal to everyone then everyone will become blind. Imagine the rank of that person who will make him self fanaa in our beloved Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wassalam)
hau fana-e-zaat main kay too naa rahain
tari hasti kaa baal w baul naa rahain

**Overall meaning is bringing Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) deeply in your life and follow him in each and every action that there is nothing of your own. No words are your own and no hair is of your own. Everything is of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam)'s.

Brother I’m not an aalim and pretty sure this cannot be used as daleel, but using common sense. Ask those who were blessed with the ziarat of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) in dream, kashf, etc. Ask them, what kind of clothes Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) wore. What colors were those clothes, how long was the beard, what color was the topi and/or turban, etc.

I totally agree with you brother we as muslims always should try to follow the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet Muhammad(salala alahi wa'sallam) in appearance,dress and manners because if we do that firstly it will create love in our heart for the Prophet(salalla alahi wa'sallam) and also it will be means of dawah for other people that they will know these are the followers of Muhammad(salalla alahi wa'sallam)
so i agree that we should try to always wear sunnah clothing if it is possible.
May Allah give us all the taufiq to act uopn the Sunnah aameen.

[tazkiyyah]

Actually..Its not about ties.
This is a very superficial criterion.
There are some ulema of ahlus sunnah that don the western garb,and scholars of ahlul bid'a who wear turbans(e.g. the modernist ikhwani turabi)

What is important to understand is..are the people from ahlus sunnah or not.
for the awaam to benefit from them...the speakers should be from ahlus sunnah.

No doubt there are numerous benefits in mawdudi sahibs books but as he is not from ahlu sunnah...i wouldnt advise any aami to read them, and this is generally the position of the ulema.

When we have in the english language now great literature from our classical heritage emerging, I don't think we should have much need to listen to speakers that cause our eardrums to vibrate in fascination, when these people are not from ahlus sunnah.

And also...its not about being a graduate from a deobandi madressa...Its about having a sanad...and honouring the ulema.

I have no doubt that many of these ppl living in pakistan who start lecturing have great intentions. They do try and read a lot of books on comparative religion etc and lecture.We should praise their sincerity and make duaa that these people sit and learn from classical ulema and become the torchbearers of classical islam as opposed to their own freely thought opinions on the quranic meaning of ayahs and science etc. And insha'allah when i see the sincerity of ppl like zakir naik etc i pray that insha'allah he will learn from scholars with a sanad and become a classical aalim who can then refute kufr from an ahlus sunnah perspective


You find shaykh nuh keller making an excellent refutation of darwinism from ashari' kalaam.
Similiarly..the ills of post-modernist need to be refuted by experts from the classical tradition who are well rooted in maturidi/ashari kalaam.

[Abu Yaseen]

The following are sunni

Sajjad Nomani
Adam Hafeezhullah (if it is Mufti Muhammads father, and I think it is)
Ahmed Ali
Masihullah Khan Sherwani
Mohammad Shafi
Qari Muhammad Tayyib
Qazi Mujahidul Islam Qasmi
Syed Abul Hasan Ali nadwi
Syed Hussain Ahmed madani
Yusuf Kandahlwi
Anzar Shah Kashmiri

And is Inaamul Hassan Kandahlwi Hadhrat Ji? If so of course he is ahlus sunnah

wallahu alam

wassalam

[slave of allah]

salaam

other good recommeded talkers are shaikh anwar awalki. mufti rasheed ahmed ludhvanu (ra) mufti adam shaikh asif husaain farooqui.

[haqq]

Yes, brother, our Ulama have allowed us to wear a tie under working conditions. Because due to MAJBOORI. If the guy takes the tie out for example in IT field, chances are that he might loose his job and that's not good. So has to wear the tie. But he shouldn't feel happy for it, in matter of fact he should make taubah and make dua that Allah Ta'ala make his conditions better.
Lets ask Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) regard to following the cultures of Non-Muslim. I heard from my Shaikh Hazrat Mufti Nawalur Rahman Sahib while living in Makkah, Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) did not separate his hair in the middle because the mushrikin-e-makkah used to separate their hair in the middle of the head. But in Madina Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) did separate his hair in the middle because the Jews of Madina did not separate their hair. The lesson is do not follow their culture of non-Muslim. We have our pure Islamic culture. Mujaddid Alf-e-Thani (rah) used to say that there is so much noor in one small Sunnat of our Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) that if the noor was to reveal to everyone then everyone will become blind. Imagine the rank of that person who will make him self fanaa in our beloved Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wassalam)
hau fana-e-zaat main kay too naa rahain
tari hasti kaa baal w baul naa rahain

**Overall meaning is bringing Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) deeply in your life and follow him in each and every action that there is nothing of your own. No words are your own and no hair is of your own. Everything is of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam)'s.

Brother I’m not an aalim and pretty sure this cannot be used as daleel, but using common sense. Ask those who were blessed with the ziarat of Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) in dream, kashf, etc. Ask them, what kind of clothes Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) wore. What colors were those clothes, how long was the beard, what color was the topi and/or turban, etc.

Subhan'Allah!!!

It's not always about halaal and haraam.

[Hypermodestmuslima]

Maulana Ahmad Ali

Maulana Sulaiman Moola

Shaikh Husain Abdul Sattar

Shaikh Zulfiqar Ahmad

[salman]

Maulana Ahmad Ali

Maulana Sulaiman Moola

Shaikh Husain Abdul Sattar

Shaikh Zulfiqar Ahmad

Shaikh Nadeem Qurayshi (I had a nice talk with him yesterday during his home Dars, amazing)

and

Mufti Kamal

[Fisabilillah]

seems to be missing 2 of the khulafa (from north america)of Shaykh Zulfiqar...

Hafiz Shaykh Sohail Irfan (http://www.tasawwuf.org/khulafa/shaykh_sohail.htm)

and

Shaykh Muhammad Iqbal (http://www.tasawwuf.org/khulafa/shaykh_azhar.htm)

[Hypermodestmuslima]

Heh...I always forget their names :$ They're really awesome as well...

Hehe...I got to babysit Maulana Sohail Irfan's kids :D

[Abu Usama]

Salam,

a) if one follows the fatwa of Shaykh Muarbitul Haj, then Dr. Zakir Naik is a wandering deviant. But anyway, he's the best around at the moment in comparative religion and therefore we should take that knowledge from him and not knowledge of fiqh or aqeedah.

b) Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki is a moderate ahle-hadith dude. I say moderate just because i think he's a great speaker and if you've heard his series on the Life and times of Abu Bakr Siddique (ra) you would definately agree with that. But at the same time, one should be careful of some of his beliefs, for example he beleives that the Prophet (sallahu alayhe wasalam) is not alive in his noble grave.

c) about wearing ties - i think the ruling would differ depending on which country and culture you are living in. For example, if you're in England and its the normal custom of people, then theres nothing wrong with it. But if you're in Pakistan, and you think that imitating the kuffar is a sign of respect and dignity, then obviously that is bad.

Wasalam

[muminah]

And is Inaamul Hassan Kandahlwi Hadhrat Ji?

yes

[bihari]

Include tahir ul qadri in the deviant people category

[Yaseen]

Include tahir ul qadri in the deviant people category

Strange how you claim to be Hanafi and arguably the greatest Hanafi scholar alive in this day and age, the Syrian Shaykh Sayyid Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi have had nothing but praise for Professor Qadri and his mission. He is one of many Arab scholars who have done so. Another example is the late Meccan muhaddith Sayyid Muhammad bin Alawi Al-Maliki, who gave ijaza to Professor sahib.

Wasalaam

[bihari]

Strange how you claim to be Hanafi and arguably the greatest Hanafi scholar alive in this day and age, the Syrian Shaykh Sayyid Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi have had nothing but praise for Professor Qadri and his mission. He is one of many Arab scholars who have done so. Another example is the late Meccan muhaddith Sayyid Muhammad bin Alawi Al-Maliki, who gave ijaza to Professor sahib.

Wasalaam
He may be a knowldgeable person..but then he has certain other objectionable aqaids which ulema object..ask any good ahle sunnah aalim, ijazt e hadith is not a stamp on the total viability/reliability of a person...it only means that the person has good knowldge of ahadith..

any way...'nuff said ....if you wanna follow tahir sahib ..please fel free to do it, but do not follow him blindly as you will come to know many things later

his political party has an entertainment wing which is supporting cultural and music shows..laholawalaqouwatta..

assalam o alaikum

[Zahra]

Assalamu Alaikum,

I noticed that one or two of you said to avoid Dr Zakir Naik? What are your reasons? I don't know alot about him but mashallah from what I know he seems very knowledgble, particularly regarding evidence in the Quran related to science, such the development of the embryo. Is it because he does not follow a madhab, so is he a salafi?

Assalamu Alaikum.

[Mossy]

It's because he disses on Hanafi fiqh positions and says he knows better in matters such as rafa yadain and other fun salafi polemical subjects.

[ya_allah_ya_rasool]

Asalam Alaikum

Tahir Qadri was said to have mocked the Prophet SAW on an occasion. Also a fatwa was issued against Sheikh Nazam anyone know anymore

[Abul Hasan]

Assalamu Alaikum,

I noticed that one or two of you said to avoid Dr Zakir Naik? What are your reasons? I don't know alot about him but mashallah from what I know he seems very knowledgble, particularly regarding evidence in the Quran related to science, such the development of the embryo. Is it because he does not follow a madhab, so is he a salafi?

Assalamu Alaikum.


Wa alaikum salam

Please read this newer thread and decide for yourselves:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7220

Wassalam

[Abul Hasan]

Asalam Alaikum

Tahir Qadri was said to have mocked the Prophet SAW on an occasion.


Wa alaikum salam

Really? Doesn't sound like him at all. Please provide some form of proof if possible. Shukran.


Wassalam

[Abu Talaal]

are you sure about anwar awlaki?

many salafis listen to him...somebody should ask him if he makes taqleed

[ya_allah_ya_rasool]

Asalam Alaikum

Inshallah i will try getting some evidence on Tahir Ul Qadri but in the meantime i will ask you to please be cautious.

[mahin14]

1) He's gone against Taqleed at least once. His argument was along the lines of "We must follow the Quran and Hadith, since now they are available to us in translation. Off course we respect the Imams, but they could be wrong."

2) In another discourse he claimed that the Prophet was not alive in his grave.

I am not sure about the second one, but the first one I remember quite clearly.


salaam,
i wanted to know what "the Prophet was not alive in his grave" means?

[ahsanirfan]

According to aqeedah of Ahl as Sunnah the Prophets, upon all of them be peace and the blessings of Allah, are alive in their graves. Certain people have told me that Dr. Zakir Naik categorically went against this well known position. If he really did say this, then he is wrong, and a "deviant" individual. May Allah forgive him for this, and guide him to Ahl as Sunna.

[Omar HH]

By "alive in his grave" we need to be very specific as not to confuse people:

<aq_hasani> The view of the traditional `ulama is stated in Arabic as ...
<aq_hasani> wa `lam anna n-nabiyya sallalahu `alayhi wasallam hayyun ghayru mayyit.
<aq_hasani> Know that the Prophet (May Allah bless him and give him peace) is alive [in
+the Barzakh world] and not dead.
<aq_hasani> However, there is a problem with human language ...
<aq_hasani> When we say dead, it can also mean not physically present walking on the
+earth.
<aq_hasani> It is out of manners ....
<aq_hasani> that the later scholars chose to not call the Prophet (May Allah bless him
+and give him peace) as dead, but these are only manners of language etiquette
+...
<aq_hasani> We find that the Companions did not do so ....
<aq_hasani> Abu Bakr as-Siddiq said on the day the Prophet (May Allah blesshim and give
+him peace) passed away ...
<aq_hasani> man kana ya`budu muhammadan fal-ya`lam anna muhammadan qad maat
<aq_hasani> Whoever uses to worship Muhammad, let him know that Muhammad has died.
<aq_hasani> And whoever used to worship Allah, let him know that Allah is Ever-Living
+and will never die.
<aq_hasani> Also the Qur'an says.
<aq_hasani> Ma muhammadun illa rasululin ...
<aq_hasani> Muhammad is only a messenger
<aq_hasani> and then it says . afa in-maata awqutila n-qalabtum `ala aa`qabikum...
<aq_hasani> If he *dies* or is killed, will you turn on your heels?
<aq_hasani> Here we see the truth in that ...
<aq_hasani> People who become too engrossed in formal manners of speaking do not realize
+that words have different meanings in different contexts ...
<aq_hasani> And the Companions and the Qur'an use the words *die* to describe the
+Prophet's passage from the dunya to the Barzakh - al-Rawdah al-Mubarakah.
<aq_hasani> [done]
<aq_hasani> the verse we quoted is 3:144
<tahir> one clarification?
<hashim_maghribi> ok
<tahir> everyone is alive in the barzakh
<tahir> so what's the khsusiyya of the anbiya then?
<tahir> {done}
<aq_hasani> the qur'an says about the people of Hell ...
<aq_hasani> in Surah al-A`la
<archer> assalamu alaykum
<hashim_maghribi> sidi archer salaam, you will ask your questions after aki
<aq_hasani> fala yamutu fiha
<aq_hasani> wa la *yahya*
<aq_hasani> He will not die there [in Hell] but will not *live* [either]
<aq_hasani> Thus, being restricted and confined is not really a life.
<aki> When I use the toilet to urinate or defacate, I have anxiety. When
+defacating, I fear splashing of toilet water on my skin. I also fear the same
+thing when washing off madhy, wady or urine with clean water, because the
+water for cleaning disrupts the toilet water - and I become prone to being
+splashed by toilet water. At times I am successful of no toilet water
+contacting my skin, but at other, I am not. The whole thing makes me frustr
<aq_hasani> The Prophet is free and is honored in the Barzah world
<aq_hasani> [Barzakh]
<aq_hasani> as are the anbiya' and awliya'. Thus, here again we see the word "hayy"
+living is being used with a specific definition and that definition ...
<aq_hasani> is an enjoyable and free existence as the Prophet (May Allah bless him and
+give him peace) has been granted. ...
<aq_hasani> He is shown our actions. There is a previously answered question about
+this, you can get it by submitting a request on our Previously Answered
+Questions pages. We will give the other people a chance now.
<aq_hasani> [done]

http://www.guidinghelper.com/irc/2003sep06_irc.html

[Kareem]

LOL omar, i was seriously thinking "where is he going with this analogy" when all of a sudden the toilet water issue came up.

i'm slow, but its late :lol:

[nauk]

a blacklist of shiekhs.. like a credit rating system.

[ahkar]

I heard one cassette of him 2 years ago that a friend gave me. Iin his speech Zakir Naik was trying to prove that wearing ties and following other western cultures is not againt Islam and it's just part of the culture and you have to follow other's culture and how he was degrading the sunnah. I gave the cassette back and told my friend not to listen to him again.
:salam: mufti taqi sahab states in darse tirmidhi in babul libas u can wear a tie in working conditions

[scoping_man]

No salafi has more knowledge than the ULAMA-E-HAQ, but any ghair-muqallid is ignorant.

[muminah]

No salafi has more knowledge than the ULAMA-E-HAQ, but any ghair-muqallid is ignorant.

Can you please kindly back up your statement with evidences?

[abuhajira]

Assalam o Alaikum

I just wanted to comment on a couple of things.

Dr Israr Ahmed, though a very nice speaker, open supporter of Taliban etc.. is the Founder of Tanzeem e Islami and has been in the past thought to have been associated with Jamaat e Islami.

On the second note, why is so hard to accept that wearing pants, and ties is against sunnah? Yes it does fulfil one sunnah, but that too with lackness. What I refer to is that it covers sattar but shows the lining of the body. What is more Afzal, wearing tight clothes or loosely fitting. If loosely fitted then how loose?

Secondly, One afdhaliyat of something is recognised it is rather useless to argue whether the asfal object is better or not. Tie has NO function at all, except that it may make you feel dignified and in some cases make other feel that you are "civilized". If one decides to take out the tie, he should go the whole way and wear sunnah clothing. I have had to battle with the aspect for long and finally came to a wardrobe that is limited to jubba and lungi.

What more does one need to cover the sattar properly? maybe a pajama here and there..:)

Wassalam u Alaikum

[AbdulQader_ Quadri]

Salaam,
I wish that the SF brothers (moderators) not rush to close threads arbitrarily and without fairness. Just like they did with my discussion with Sunnilink who was defaming Sunni scholars. As long as there are is not direct accusations towrds anyone. remember brothers our loyalty as Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a is not towards a person, but towads the Haqq manifested by the Book of Allah and the Hadith of the Prophet SAW.

Now, having said that, I can tell you comfortably that I have enjoyed Sunni form, may Allah bless those who are participating in it.

As for Dr. Zakir Naik, the man is a hard core Wahhabi. He repeated insulted the understanding of the two Sunni schools of Aqaed (ash'ari/Maturidi), and insulted the stands of the four Fuqaha and put their differences due to their lack of knowledge.
But I guess he has more knowledge and can judge them.
Please be careful of him.

As far as his comparitive religion knowledge, it really is an overstatement. He is no where close to the Shadow of the late Shaykh Ahmad Deedat ( rahmatullahi alayh). Yet, he criticized him. Zakir Naik learned to memorize numbers and spit them in front of people to impress them, other than that, Allah knows best, but he is not what people make him to be.

[Yusuf]

But I guess he has more knowledge and can judge them.


Zakir Naik learned to memorize numbers and spit them in front of people to impress them, other than that, Allah knows best, but he is not what people make him to be.

Maybe this is why the moderators closed the thread. There's no need for your witty remarks akhi. I dont understand where all this hatred comes from? I doubt Shaykh Ninowy teaches you to speak of people like this.

Allah also knows best whether or not Zakir naik learned to memorise numbers to impress people.

[AbdulQader_ Quadri]

Salam Yusuf,
Akhi I was trying to qoute Hadiths of the Prophet SAW, and statements of Ahlus Sunnah major scholars, to substantiate that this is the stand of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jam'a.
I did not accuse any person specifically. I undoubtedly believe that those who reject the authentic mutawater hadiths of the Prophet, may render themselves out of Islam.

No Akhi, I harbor no hatred for any, even when Sunnilink was bashing and cautioning people from Sunni scholars who abide by the word of the Prophet, I did not have hatred against him, or any.

yes, I am guilty of loving the Sunnah soo much, so that I don't see anything when the Prophet SAW says something, and at that point no one else matters, except Allah and his Prophet.
I have nothing against you or brother Sunnilink, I just wanted to clarify a point, which I think the enemies of the Scholars I follow, try to misrepresent and spread wrongly.
Notice, that sunnilink and others who accused the honorable Shaykh of saying "transgressor', could not refure the words of the Prophet, nor the Ijm'a narrated by Imam Baghdadi of the Salaf, nor Imam Ibn Haj'ar, nor Nawawi, etc... the list is really long.
They said the same word, why is this preferential treatment??

Lets all be fair brother, thats all I ask. It is sad that everytime a Sunni scholar appears, we try to discredit him, or -as in this case- disagree with him for following a hadith and Ijma!!. then spread discrediting info about him. That is exactly what Sunnilink did. I wonder if he and his alledged scholars ( who presumably Never met Shaykh Al-Ninowy) and made a judgement based on 2nd hand, would caution people from Imam Baghdadi, Imam Ibn Haj'ar, Imam Nawawi, etc...cuz all said the same word?? will they?

The fact is, people are just upset cuz ShaykhAl-Ninowy is spreading the love of Ahlul bayt, from a 150% Sunni point of view. They feel that there is something wrong with that, and try to associate Shi'sm, or other things to the person. Wallahi it is totally unfounded and unfair brother.
They wanna take out the anger they have on shaykh Ahmad Ghumari, on Shaykh Al-Ninowy, knowing well that Shaykh Al-Ninowy studied hadith on many more than the Ghumari Shuyukh, out which only Shaykh Ahmad had an unfavorable view of Mua'wiyah. Yet, Shaykh Ahmad Al-Ghumari died a couple of decades before Shaykh Al-Ninowy was even born.

We, ahlus Sunnah, especially here in the west need all the academic Sunni scholars we can get, we need to support them, promote them, and defend them. And when we disagree with one of them, it should mean we should spread that we "caution" against them, or badmouth them. As long as they abide by Ahlus Sunnah guidlines, which is totally the case here, even if we disagree we should fear Allah.

Imam Shafi'i disagreed with imam Az'am Abu Hanifah, but they respected each other and never cautioned from each other, as both were depending on hadiths, not their own desire. Why can't we follow this example...


Lastly, If I upset anybody or offended anybody, I am deeply sorry , and I apologize from the deep depth of my heart, and ask all to forgive me in the day of Judgement, please...

May Allah bless you all.

Your brother in Qu;ran and Sunnah and the love of Ahlu-Allah

[Hamood]

The accusations keep coming and coming. :)

Well cautioning and badmouthing are not the same thing and by putting them in the same sentence for the intelligent reader understands your attempt to put words in my mouth and accuse me of what I have not said. Khair, I don't really care about what your accusations are as I leave that for the reader to decide. Insha allah, people nowadays are pretty smart in figuring things out.

Aside from the ulema I said caution, the ulema who are upright orthodox sunni in evey sense of the word have said much more than caution about those who say Muawiyah :anhu: is transgressor (hinting at sunnipath and shariahboard). Now if the sunnipath and shariahboard ulema are not the scholars you trust and follow, thats up to you. But we at SunniForum hold them in the highest of the highest of regards.

I suggest that criticisms of even the wahhabis and likes of Dr. Zakir Naik should be done in a decent manner. They should be respected as muslims and their deviations from traditional islam should be pointed out in a decent manner. NO SAHABI should be spoken ILL off and NO SCHOLAR shold be called a thug or whatever degrading terms people come up with. There is huge huge difference in saying "This scholar is cautioned against" and "This scholar is a thug!".

[Hamood]

In fact, let me add not even non-muslims should be talked about in the language some people use to degrade fellow humans. Respect is integral. Harm does not lift harm. Darkness is not stopped by fighting it. Darkness is stopped by spreading the light.

[Live for Islam]

Keep it cool, people, or this thread will be locked fast!

[AbdulQader_ Quadri]

Salaam,
Here goes brother Sunnilink again.
Let me explain something that you try to hide from brother: the word transgressor came out of the Honorable mouth of the Prophet SAW, and out of the honorable mouths of a serious of Ulema of Ahlus Sunnah wal jama'a, and their word is much more valuable than a scholar nowadays who says the opposite.
When Rasulul'Allah SAW says something, (with all due respect) your words and words of those you follow will never overpower it.

Brother Sunnilink, if you are what you claim to be of patience and virtues, then you should have given the Shaykh the at least the benefit of literrally following the Hadiths and Ijma, instead of bad mouthing him.

May Allah forgive and guide you

[Live for Islam]

Br. AbdulQader_ Quadri, I've read through some of the posts in this thread and the previous thread, and I haven't seen user 'sunnilink' bad mouthing any scholar. I do suggest you re-read all his posts again, because I think you must have misread something.

Sorry people, thread locked.