Shaikh Taha Karran and Shaikh Muhammad Taha Karaan same?

[taalib_e_ilm]

Assalamualykum

Are these two same guy or different?

Shaikh Taha Karran

http://www.albalagh.net/qa/traveler_shafi_mazhab.shtml


and

Shaikh Muhammad Taha Karaan

http://books.themajlis.net/node/104

[hope1]

Assalamu aliakum,

They are most probably the same. Are you surprised at Majlis's criticism?

[taalib_e_ilm]

Assalamu aliakum,

They are most probably the same. Are you surprised at Majlis's criticism?

Walikumsalaam,

I am surprised at Majlis' critcism. I have casettes of Shaikh Taha and this guy is master debating Shias.

[safinatun_naja]

Walikumsalaam,

I am surprised at Majlis' critcism. I have casettes of Shaikh Taha and this guy is master debating Shias.

The noble Sheikh is a graduate of Deoband and if I am not mistaken, graduates of Deoband are given the name Muhammad. Can anyone confirm this ?

[hope1]

Graduates of Deoband are given the title Qasmi - no?

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Walikumsalaam,

I am surprised at Majlis' critcism. I have casettes of Shaikh Taha and this guy is master debating Shias.

:ws:

This is Majlis on Mufti Taqi Usmani:

http://books.themajlis.net/node/123

...n this observation, the writer makes an attempt to brow-beat us by mentioning the names of our illustrious Akaabireen. At the same time he intentionally is trying to pull wool over the eyes of the Muslim public by his endeavour to peddle the notion that the our (not his) Akaabir Ulama are in support of his haraam view on the issue of hair-cutting for women...

...Let us now apprize the writer of the baatil view of the reality and of the truth to which these Senior Ulama of Deoband subscribe...

...About Hadhrat Mufti Muhammad Shafi (rahmatullah alayh), the father of Mufti Taqi Uthmaani, the deviate says...

And we have South African Ulama still defend these guys...

[Ansari]

...About Hadhrat Mufti Muhammad Shafi (rahmatullah alayh), the father of Mufti Taqi Uthmaani, the deviate[/COLOR][/B] says...

And we have South African Ulama still defend these guys...

Who from the Ulama defended the word 'deviate' for Mufti Taqi Usmani? Can you name some?

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Who from the Ulama defended the word 'deviate' for Mufti Taqi Usmani? Can you name some?

Not the word deviate but defending in general...

We have Ulama from South Africa (including Maulana Abu Hajira) who make excuses for him and say that he is a Senior Alim etc.

South Africans (Ulama & people) should have gone for this throat for using such a word for Mufti Taqi Usmani.

[True Life]

:salam:

Especially new graduates from SA are very inspired and overwhelmed by "Hadhrat".

[Saad]

Walikumsalaam,

I am surprised at Majlis' critcism. I have casettes of Shaikh Taha and this guy is master debating Shias.

Assalam o alaykum,

Here read about Shaykh Taha's meeting with Mawlana Azam Tariq Shaheed (may Allah have mercy on him) and discussion regarding Shias.

South Africa ka Safar (http://www.4shared.com/file/218531786/8e7273d1/Azam_Tariq_-_South_Africa_ka_S.html)

[Ahmad_shakeel]

Assalam o alaykum,

Here read about Shaykh Taha's meeting with Mawlana Azam Tariq Shaheed (may Allah have mercy on him) and discussion regarding Shias.

South Africa ka Safar (http://www.4shared.com/file/218531786/8e7273d1/Azam_Tariq_-_South_Africa_ka_S.html)

:salam:
so heartwarming and interestin

[taalib_e_ilm]

Assalam o alaykum,

Here read about Shaykh Taha's meeting with Mawlana Azam Tariq Shaheed (may Allah have mercy on him) and discussion regarding Shias.

South Africa ka Safar (http://www.4shared.com/file/218531786/8e7273d1/Azam_Tariq_-_South_Africa_ka_S.html)

:jazak:

[taalib_e_ilm]

Here is Audio of Maulana Taha Karran debating a Shia.

http://www.filesavr.com/maulanatahakarran-01-cd1-shiadebate

http://www.filesavr.com/maulanatahakarran-01-cd2-shiadebate

http://www.filesavr.com/maulanatahakarran-01-cd3-shiadebate

[SY1]

Assalamu alaikum

Do not be alarmed that these people differ...previous scholars differed, some addressed each other with harsher terms.

It is quite apparent that the authors of most majlis articles haven't quite grasped the concept of the english language, its as if they are glossing it over with a thesaurus. I mean this in a polite way so nobody go kicking off. The use of big words in articles is no big deal. Its putting those big words at the appropriate time and in context of the text based on who your targer audience is thats difficult.

The problem is that the people who write the articles dont understand the meaning for some of the words in a literal sense. An example here is that using the term deviant generally means one who has swayed from the correct path, described like that it doesnt sound harsh but use the term deviant in the wrong context and it makes it sound 10x worse. My parents are deviants, my parents have swayed from the correct path?? he had a high dose, he had a lethal dose, lethal is generally used when death has occurred or some serious illness but using it to describe a nominal event might sound correct grammatically on paper but not in a literal sense. Notice how the government refrained from using the word recession until they absolutely had to...in the UN when a resolution is being passed they spend days and days going over the wording to ensure it conveys the correct message whilst being impartial.

Maybe sheikh sahib here needs to understand these things better. I'll probably get a flaming for this but i honestly genuinly believe he is an alim-e-deen BUT his english or rather writing style needs to be understood because on the face of it, most of the words used are to describe to the extreme.

[Ansari]

Here is Audio of Maulana Taha Karran debating a Shia.

http://www.filesavr.com/maulanatahakarran-01-cd1-shiadebate

http://www.filesavr.com/maulanatahakarran-01-cd2-shiadebate

http://www.filesavr.com/maulanatahakarran-01-cd3-shiadebate

MashaAllah, Mawlana Taha Karan really did his job in this debate. Concise, convincing and straight to the point and the fact he mention so many quotes in detail from different books of the shia shows how much of an expert he is on the Shia.

[Ahmad_shakeel]

Here is Audio of Maulana Taha Karran debating a Shia.

http://www.filesavr.com/maulanatahakarran-01-cd1-shiadebate

http://www.filesavr.com/maulanatahakarran-01-cd2-shiadebate

http://www.filesavr.com/maulanatahakarran-01-cd3-shiadebate

salam,

is thre more such debates?

[taalib_e_ilm]

salam,

is thre more such debates?

walikumsalaam,

Thats all I got.

[abdulwahhab]

:ws:

This is Majlis on Mufti Taqi Usmani:

http://books.themajlis.net/node/123

...n this observation, the writer makes an attempt to brow-beat us by mentioning the names of our illustrious Akaabireen. At the same time he intentionally is trying to pull wool over the eyes of the Muslim public by his endeavour to peddle the notion that the our (not his) Akaabir Ulama are in support of his haraam view on the issue of hair-cutting for women...

...Let us now apprize the writer of the baatil view of the reality and of the truth to which these Senior Ulama of Deoband subscribe...

...About Hadhrat Mufti Muhammad Shafi (rahmatullah alayh), the father of Mufti Taqi Uthmaani, the deviate says...

And we have South African Ulama still defend these guys...

:salam:

Brother, I think you might be mistaken. The term "deviate" is being used for the questioner, not for Mufti Taqi Uthmani (db). Skimming through the fatwa, the author of that fatwa appears to be responding to a questioner who is twisting the words of Mufti Taqi Uthmani (db) to justify that women can cut and shorten their hair. The author also says that Mufti Taqi Uthmani (db) does not support what the "deviate" questioner alleges.

Wa Allahu A'lam

[Saad]

:salam:

Brother, I think you might be mistaken. The term "deviate" is being used for the questioner, not for Mufti Taqi Uthmani (db). Skimming through the fatwa, the author of that fatwa appears to be responding to a questioner who is twisting the words of Mufti Taqi Uthmani (db) to justify that women can cut and shorten their hair. The author also says that Mufti Taqi Uthmani (db) does not support what the "deviate" questioner alleges.

Wa Allahu A'lam

Assalam o alaykum,

Yes, you are right as it is obvious from this sentence,

"About Hadhrat Mufti Muhammad Shafi (rahmatullah alayh), the father of Mufti Taqi Uthmaani, the deviate says:"

Here Mufti Taqi Usmani is not being referred to as 'deviate' but the questioner is.

[The Fake Shaykh]

:salam:

Brother, I think you might be mistaken. The term "deviate" is being used for the questioner, not for Mufti Taqi Uthmani (db). Skimming through the fatwa, the author of that fatwa appears to be responding to a questioner who is twisting the words of Mufti Taqi Uthmani (db) to justify that women can cut and shorten their hair. The author also says that Mufti Taqi Uthmani (db) does not support what the "deviate" questioner alleges.

Wa Allahu A'lam


Assalam o alaykum,

Yes, you are right as it is obvious from this sentence,

"About Hadhrat Mufti Muhammad Shafi (rahmatullah alayh), the father of Mufti Taqi Uthmaani, the deviate says:"

Here Mufti Taqi Usmani is not being referred to as 'deviate' but the questioner is.

i agree with both of you , this is also what i have understood.

[Colonel_Hardstone]

:salam:

Brother, I think you might be mistaken. The term "deviate" is being used for the questioner, not for Mufti Taqi Uthmani (db). Skimming through the fatwa, the author of that fatwa appears to be responding to a questioner who is twisting the words of Mufti Taqi Uthmani (db) to justify that women can cut and shorten their hair. The author also says that Mufti Taqi Uthmani (db) does not support what the "deviate" questioner alleges.

Wa Allahu A'lam


Assalam o alaykum,

Yes, you are right as it is obvious from this sentence,

"About Hadhrat Mufti Muhammad Shafi (rahmatullah alayh), the father of Mufti Taqi Uthmaani, the deviate says:"

Here Mufti Taqi Usmani is not being referred to as 'deviate' but the questioner is.

:ws:

I havn't re-read the Fatwa but I apologise and :jazak: for correcting me on the issue.

May Allah (SWT) reward both of you.

:jazak:

[Bin Ibrahim]

yes he is the same,his correct surname is Karaan.he is my teacher.

[Mathbooh]

Colonel Saheb,Ml.A.S. Desai is not just a senior aalim of S.A.,he is a very senior aalim of S.A.....while he aint a shaykhul-hadith e.t.c. he has probably written/translated the most books in S.A. He wrote the books kitabul imaan,kitabus salah,kitabut taharah which many of the prominent ulema learnt when they wer young(either these books/books derived from them).the previous akaabireen of S.A. used to advice that we should not condemn him as his taqwa is of a high level e.tc. he has always been at the forefront of fighting bid'ah,shism and different innovations.besides,he runs over a 1000 madaris in Bangladesh.My bro told me that one of the senior muftis of S.A. who is a mufti of his madressa stated that had it not been for him,many of the Ulama of S.A would hav gone astray.There was a situation many years ago,when the ulama started a project,he condemned it.infact if i'm not mistaken,all the Ulama were for it and he was probably the only one against it.today,many many years later,we are seeing the effects of the project,and apparently it seems he has been vindicated(the project was apparently successfull initially).
Ml.Taha karan is a prominent aalim,and if im not mistaken he came out 1st in class in Darul uloom deoband and he is an expert on shiism.However I fully agree with Ml.A.S. on this issue-he also reproduced fatawa of various mufti's including Darul Uloom deoband,all of whom were against the view of Ml.Taha.As far as Mufti Taqi is concerned,for me and you to use that type of language is not right.But as far as Ml.A.S. is concerned,IMHO it is fully within his rights.DIDN'T MUFTI TAQI(DB) REVIEW/CHANGE SOME OF HIS FATAWA?Ml.A.S. has treated mufti taqi with a lot of respect,considering his condemnation of others.if i remember correctly,i remember Ml.A.S. stating somewhere to the effect that Mufti Saheb(DB) should leave the comfortable company of those who he advices,and should return to the sand dusty roads....i think this aptly conveys Ml.A.S. sentiments. As for those who believe that Ml.AS. has a problem of mis-usage of the english language,to the contrary,Ml.A.S. fully understands the connotations of his writings and has employed this way for as long as i can remember.



[Whatever good I say is from Allah,and Whatever wrong I say is from me and shaitaan.Whatever I say is subject to my memory serving me correct and all my quotes are to the effect]

[Mathbooh]

you won't understand why a lot of S.A. Ulama defend him if you look at only his critisism of Mufti Taqi Saheb(DB).Infact he uses a lot of Mufti Shafi(R.A.) fatawa and might have/might be using some of Mufti Taqi(DB) fatawa.




[Whatever good I say is from Allah,and Whatever wrong I say is from me and shaitaan.Whatever I say is subject to my memory serving me correct and all my quotes are to the effect]

[bugmenot]

walikumsalaam,

Thats all I got.

I think I saw the rest of this debate of Sh Taka karaan (hafizahullah) and the shi'a elsewhere on a website, can someone help locating it as I don't remember the website?

[Bin Ibrahim]

Here is Audio of Maulana Taha Karran debating a Shia.

http://www.filesavr.com/maulanatahakarran-01-cd1-shiadebate

http://www.filesavr.com/maulanatahakarran-01-cd2-shiadebate

http://www.filesavr.com/maulanatahakarran-01-cd3-shiadebate

i can not download the links anyone can please help on links?link is asking to sign up.

[bugmenot]

:ws:

there is no need to sign up it's just the links that are expired. I have number 2 and 3 file if you want (I mistakenly deleted no1 though).

Btw folks I'm still looking for the next parts of this debate, can someone help?

[Bin Ibrahim]

:ws:

there is no need to sign up it's just the links that are expired. I have number 2 and 3 file if you want (I mistakenly deleted no1 though).

can u send that number 2 and 3 to me please.

[bugmenot]

:ws: wa rahmatullah,

Part 2 of the debate: http://www.mediafire.com/?icgy4ynntzh

Part 3 of the debate: http://www.mediafire.com/?nno1g2nzzrd


Btw folks I'm still looking for the next parts of this debate, can someone help?

edit: credit to the original uploader ie taalib_e_ilm

[IbnShafiq]

:ws: wa rahmatullah,

Part 2 of the debate: http://www.mediafire.com/?icgy4ynntzh

Part 3 of the debate: http://www.mediafire.com/?nno1g2nzzrd


Btw folks I'm still looking for the next parts of this debate, can someone help?


:salam:

If someone has part one of this please post. :jazak: brother for posting these two parts. Maulana sounds strong. May Allah preserve him.

[IbnShafiq]

I listened to part 2&3 yesterday and Shaykh Taha is sharp, I like his style. If someone could post part one it would be greatly appreciated. Come on sidi Saad, I know you got this one in your collection.

[Saad]

Assalam o alaykum,

Part I can be downloaded here (http://www.4shared.com/audio/WoeSgrwn/Shaykh_Taha_-_Shia_Debate.html).

[IbnShafiq]

Assalam o alaykum,

Part I can be downloaded here (http://www.4shared.com/audio/WoeSgrwn/Shaykh_Taha_-_Shia_Debate.html).


:ws:

Shokran akhi! :jazak:

[Bin Ibrahim]

jazakumullah
thanks
i had it all debate in cd but cd is corrupt i couldn open,thanks for the links.
he is my teacher.May Allah reward him abundantly.

[bugmenot]

:ws:

I listened to part 2&3 yesterday and Shaykh Taha is sharp, I like his style.
Same here, that's why I'm eager to listen to the other parts of the debate :)

[Bin Ibrahim]

all the parts of the debate here in 1 file.

http://www.mediafire.com/?k3i0olwywje

[bugmenot]

:ws:

Too bad no one has the other remaining part of the debate...

[Abdirahman_123]

jazakumullah
thanks
i had it all debate in cd but cd is corrupt i couldn open,thanks for the links.
he is my teacher.May Allah reward him abundantly.

Salaam Brother i Need the phone Number to Shaykh Taha Karaan's School, i am planning to go there in 3 months... it would really help if you can get me in contact with the school... :cheesygri

[Abdirahman_123]

:salam:

Especially new graduates from SA are very inspired and overwhelmed by "Hadhrat".

Salaam Brother i Need the phone Number to Shaykh Taha Karaan's School, i am planning to go there in 3 months... it would really help if you can get me in contact with the school...

[jbstudent]

I woul also like to go but cant manage to contact anyone over there,
can someone help?
i have tried using the phone number on duai.co.za
but nobody picks up!!!!