changing madhahib

[AbuFatimah]

Salaam alaykum is it ok to change madhab?

If you are hanafi but you move to a maliki dominated area should you chnage to maliki fiqh?

[QuestforthePath]

:salam:
I think this topic has been discussed many times. Try searching for it.
Ofcourse the4 different madhabs are on Haq without a doubt.

[AbuFatimah]

:salam:
I think this topic has been discussed many times. Try searching for it.
Ofcourse the4 different madhabs are on Haq without a doubt.


all four of them are 100% correct in their oppinions?

so the prophet SAW never raised his arms after ruku but always raised his arms after ruku? Doesnt make sens. So the prophet SAW lost wudhu after his wife touched him, but didnt lose wudhu after his wife touched him. Doesnt make sense

[QuestforthePath]

I think many people have asked you before but given up. I will try once again inshaAllah.
Please read some good books on these topics. They definitely help a lot.

e.g. in this case the book The Differences of the Imams is a gem.

http://www.whitethreadpress.com/publications/differences_imams.htm

Bio of the author Shaykh ul Hadith Muhammad Zakariyya Kandhlawi http://www.whitethreadpress.com/authors/shaykh_zakariyya.htm

[abulayl]

Doesnt make sens. Doesnt make sense
according to you prophet(sw) also dont know what is human sense.
Imam Nisai (may Allah be pleased with him) narrates on the authority of Tariq an incident of two Companions who were both in need of a compulsory bath [ghusl]. Due to a lack of water, one of them refrained completely from performing salat while the other performed tayammum [dry ablution]. On their return to Allah’s Messenger, he approved both of their actions.

on another occasion, the Messenger of Allah commanded a group of Companions to perform their ‘Asr prayer at the dwellings of Banü Qurayza. Some of them took the command to perform the ‘Asr prayer at Banü Qurayza literally and acted accordingly. Even though their salat was delayed from its actual time, they nonetheless executed what they felt was the meaning of the command issued to them by Allah’s Messenger (SALLALLAHU ALAIHI WASALLAM). However, another group regarded this as a command to reach Banu Qurayza in haste (i.e. by ‘Asr time). Hence, they performed their Asr salat at its proper time, enroute to Banü Qurayza. Allah’s Messenger (SALLALLAHU ALAIHI WASALLAM) did not object to the actions of either of the two groups. This incident is mentioned in detail in Sahih alBukhari.
one didnt pray, it was ok and one prayed by doing tayammum but it was also ok! it doesn make sense oh prophet(sw) according to brother david. a group prayed another didnt prayed as you said, oh prophet(sw) it doesnt make any sense according to brother david.
I think many people have asked you before but given up. I will try once again inshaAllah.
Please read some good books on these topics. They definitely help a lot.

e.g. in this case the book The Differences of the Imams is a gem.

http://www.whitethreadpress.com/publications/differences_imams.htm

Bio of the author Shaykh ul Hadith Muhammad Zakariyya Kandhlawi http://www.whitethreadpress.com/authors/shaykh_zakariyya.htmI gave the books online copy 100 time allready because brother david hasnt money to buy books, but still he also cant read the book, cause he use mobile telephone to use internet.

[QuestforthePath]

When there is a Will, there is a Way

[abulayl]

When there is a Will, there is a Way
Ehh dont get doubt about the sincere intention of brother david. you really dont know......

[QuestforthePath]

Ehh dont get doubt about the sincere intention of brother david. you really dont know......

True. My bad. I take my words back.
May Allah SWT forgive us all.

[المفكّر]

Ehh dont get doubt about the sincere intention of brother david. you really dont know......

If I was sincere about seeking true knowledge, I'd read books and meet scholars and address my concerns to them directly, instead of wasting my time arguing with laymen on the internet.

[المفكّر]

When there is a Will, there is a Way

Precisely. The scholars of the past traveled many miles just for the sake of one hadeeth. So the petty inconveniences brother David encounters are really not an acceptable excuse for his persistent ignorance in matters related to our fiqah and aqaid.

[abulayl]

If I was
There is no comparision between you and brother david, both got different principal of approaching knowledge.

[المفكّر]

There is no comparision between you and brother david, both got different principal of approaching knowledge.

It's not just different principles, it's common sense. If I had an 'Ilmi inquiry, I'd refer it to a learned and qualified individual, not a layman. You want to get blueprints for your new building? You talk to an architect, not a site worker. You want to diagnose clinical depression? You go to a psychiatrist, not a nurse. You want to register patents? You talk with a commercial lawyer, not a clerk. See? Common sense. We use it everyday in our lives. There is no individual difference in this regard.

[lotusi111]

according to you prophet(sw) also dont know what is human sense.
one didnt pray, it was ok and one prayed by doing tayammum but it was also ok! it doesn make sense oh prophet(sw) according to brother david. a group prayed another didnt prayed as you said, oh prophet(sw) it doesnt make any sense according to brother david.I gave the books online copy 100 time allready because brother david hasnt money to buy books, but still he also cant read the book, cause he use mobile telephone to use internet.

Mashallah brother Streetwalker! Barakallahu fikum!

Seriously, this guy David has asked this question about the wuddu many many times already, despite the fact that many brothers and sisters like streewalker have responded to him.

I wonder if David knows what the word shame means?!

Selamu Aleikum!

[zeeshan66]

i dont think you have to but if it would be more convenient for you then i dont believe you'd be condemned if you did so. (to change madhab)

madhabs and shariah are there to help us and act as a mercy for us, not to constrain and make our lives a miserable burden.
every difference of opinion has a reason depending on textual interpretation etc, and each madhab has their own method to deal with these. so yes, all 4 madhaibs are equally valid.

[rqsnnt]

...
. so yes, all 4 madhaibs are equally valid.

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Just want to know. All 4 madhaibs are equally valid Simultaneously?

Salam

[zeeshan66]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Just want to know. All 4 madhaibs are equally valid Simultaneously?

Salam

Can you follow more than one madhab at the same time knowing you're picking and choosing the opinion you desire between different matters (either what's harder or what's easier for yourself) from either madhabs? Nevertheless, you'll find in madhabs that the ulema try to encourage the action which has unanimous agreement from the other madhaaib such as doing wudhu after you touch your private parts whereas in the Hanafi madhab it doesn't necessarily break it.

Shah Walliullah (rh), on the topic of Sufi Tarirqas, mentioned something like "All Turuq are equal, depending that the Muslim in question has initiated for the pleasure of Allah (swt). "

I think this can be expanded to following a madhab.
At leastt untill we became shakh-ul-islam anyway. insha'Allah MAKE DUA (lol jk)

[rqsnnt]

Can you follow more than one madhab at the same time knowing you're picking and choosing the opinion you desire between different matters (either what's harder or what's easier for yourself) from either madhabs? Nevertheless, you'll find in madhabs that the ulema try to encourage the action which has unanimous agreement from the other madhaaib such as doing wudhu after you touch your private parts whereas in the Hanafi madhab it doesn't necessarily break it.

Shah Walliullah (rh), on the topic of Sufi Tarirqas, mentioned something like "All Turuq are equal, depending that the Muslim in question has initiated for the pleasure of Allah (swt). "

I think this can be expanded to following a madhab.
At leastt untill we became shakh-ul-islam anyway. insha'Allah MAKE DUA (lol jk)

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Qestion is so simple

All 4 madhaibs are equally valid Simultaneously in a same issue?

Salam

[hope1]

all four of them are 100% correct in their oppinions?

so the prophet SAW never raised his arms after ruku but always raised his arms after ruku? Doesnt make sens. So the prophet SAW lost wudhu after his wife touched him, but didnt lose wudhu after his wife touched him. Doesnt make sense

Hanafis don't claim RasulAllah never raised hands after ruku. It is permissible in hanafi fiqh to raise hands as well but better not to - because we claim he only did it on rare occasions and not as a regular practice.

Brother it seems you have a lot of confusion still regarding madhabs.

[rqsnnt]

Hanafis don't claim RasulAllah never raised hands after ruku. It is permissible in hanafi fiqh to raise hands as well but better not to - because we claim he only did it on rare occasions and not as a regular practice.

Brother it seems you have a lot of confusion still regarding madhabs.


As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

While reading Siha sittah (6 Hadith books) there r lot of references of doing raised hands after ruku. As i know (there could be more) at Tirmidi & Adu dawood is showing not to raise hand after or before ruku. But they also showing hadith of raising hand before & after ruku!. They didn’t mention raising hand before & after ruku is a rare case. How did u recognize it that this is rare case?

Salam

[rqsnnt]

Hanafis don't claim RasulAllah never raised hands after ruku. It is permissible in hanafi fiqh to raise hands as well but better not to - because we claim he only did it on rare occasions and not as a regular practice.

Brother it seems you have a lot of confusion still regarding madhabs.


As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

As we know Shafii & Hanabali people do this practice regularly, then can we say that they made hand raising before & after ruku Regular practice whether it was not regular practice of our prophet?

Salam

['Abdullaah]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

As we know Shafii & Hanabali people do this practice regularly, then can we say that they made hand raising before & after ruku Regular practice whether it was not regular practice of our prophet?

Salam

:salam:
The ijtihad is different as to what the intended Sunnah is.
The two madhhabs you mention conclude it to be sunnah based on their methodology.
The other two schools do not come to that conclusion based on their methodology.
As for who was correct, will be discovered on the day of judgment.
The followers of either opinion won't be penalised, as they are authoritative ijtihad.
And Allaah knows best.
:salam:

[rqsnnt]

:salam:
The ijtihad is different as to what the intended Sunnah is.
The two madhhabs you mention conclude it to be sunnah based on their methodology.
The other two schools do not come to that conclusion based on their methodology.
As for who was correct, will be discovered on the day of judgment.
The followers of either opinion won't be penalised, as they are authoritative ijtihad.
And Allaah knows best.
:salam:


As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu


As for who was correct, will be discovered on the day of judgment.

Very nice reply.


...
because we claim he only did it on rare occasions and not as a regular practice.


What is the basis of this claim?



Salam

['Abdullaah]

What is the basis of this claim?


:salam: brother rqsnnt,

A detailed discussion can be found here:
http://www.evernote.com/pub/snail/raise-hand

Hope that helps.
:jazak:
:salam:

[rqsnnt]

:salam: brother rqsnnt,

A detailed discussion can be found here:
http://www.evernote.com/pub/snail/raise-hand

Hope that helps.
:jazak:
:salam:

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Thank u for providing link. I have downloaded 8 pages, but there pages r very hazy to read.
Is there any link to read these without download?

Salam

['Abdullaah]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Thank u for providing link. I have downloaded 8 pages, but there pages r very hazy to read.
Is there any link to read these without download?

Salam

:salam:

If you view the pages within a good browser, such as Firefox, it would allow you zoom into the pages. That might make it easier to read.
There should be a total of 9 pages.

:salam;

[rqsnnt]

:salam:

If you view the pages within a good browser, such as Firefox, it would allow you zoom into the pages. That might make it easier to read.
There should be a total of 9 pages.

:salam;

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Thank u brother for providing information about browser related problem. Still i can't finish reading 9 pages. Only 4 pages finished.
I will continue reading reast of the pages. After reading 4 pages my understand is as bellow

1. In page 100, Imam Tirmidi provided 2 remarks for Raising hand & not raising hand. Remark of Not Raising hand is very stronger then Raising hand. Right?
2. Hand Raising in returning to third standing is abrogated. Plz confirm.
3. Historical issue is also important point here. Right?

Salam

[rqsnnt]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

@'Abdullaah

I have downloaded all pages. Thanks a lot.

While reading in Page no 106, in point 8, the hadith of Jabir b. Samura , which is mentioned Shaheeh muslim. Can u plz provide Book Number and Hadith Number from Shaheeh Muslim?. It's very important for us. I have search in Shaheeh Muslim for Jabir b. Samura with tails of horses, only 3 hadith found in THE COMMAND TO OBSERVE PRAYER WITH TRANQUILLITYAND CALMNESS AND PROHIBITION OF MAKING GESTURES WITH HANDS AND LIFTING THEMWHILE PRONOUNCING SALUTATION, ANDTHE COMPLETING OF FIRST ROWSAND JOINING TOGETHER WELL IN THEM Chapter. But i couldn't find hadith mentioned in the book u provide in page 106, in point 8.


Salam

[rqsnnt]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

@'Abdullaah

In Shaheeh Muslim


Chapter 24 : THE COMMAND TO OBSERVE PRAYER WITH TRANQUILLITYAND CALMNESS AND PROHIBITION OF MAKING GESTURES WITH HANDS AND LIFTING THEMWHILE PRONOUNCING SALUTATION, ANDTHE COMPLETING OF FIRST ROWSAND JOINING TOGETHER WELL IN THEM


(1) Jabir b. Samura reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to us and said: How is it that I see you lifting your hands like the tails of headstrong horses? Be calm in prayer. He (the narrator) said: He then again came to us and saw us (sitting) in circles; he said: How is it that I see you in separate groups? He (the narrator) said: He again came to us and said: Why don't you draw yourselves up in rows as angels do in the presence of their Lord? We said: Messenger of Allah, bow do the angels draw themselves up in rows in the presence of their Lord? He (the Holy Prophet) said: They make the first rows complete and keep close together in the row. (Book #004, Hadith #0864)


(2) Jabir b. Samura reported: When we said prayer with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), we pronounced: Peace be upon you and Mercy of Allah, peace be upon you and Mercy of Allah, and made gesture with the hand on both the sides. Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him said: What do you point out with your hands as if they are the tails of headstrong horses? This is enough for you that one should place one's hand on one's thigh and then pronounce salutation upon one's brother on the right side and then on the left. (Book #004, Hadith #0866)


(3) Jabir b. Samura reported: We said our prayer with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and, while pronouncing salutations, we made gestures with our hands (indicating)" Peace be upon you, peace be upon you." The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) looked towards us and said: Why is it that you make gestures with your hands like the tails of headstrong horses? When any one of you pro- nounces salutation (in prayer) he should only turn his face towards his companion and should not make a gesture with his hand. (Book #004, Hadith #0867)


Plz let me know is there any other hadith which is mentioned in Page 106 in Point no 8?

Salam

['Abdullaah]

:salam:

Under Point 8, the Hadeeth on page 106 is the first hadeeth you have listed out of the three. In the book it only mentions the relevant portion about the gesture of hands.

The hadeeth that appears on page 107 is the 2nd hadeeth that you have listed.

And Allaah knows best.
:salam:

[rqsnnt]

:salam:

Under Point 8, the Hadeeth on page 106 is the first hadeeth you have listed out of the three. In the book it only mentions the relevant portion about the gesture of hands.

And Allaah knows best.
:salam:

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Without mentioning Context, Hadith may not convey full meaning. In the same way Portion of a hadith may not convey full meaning. This is just a Narrow or Tunnel vision of a full form or Big Picture.



Under Point 8, the Hadeeth on page 106 is the first hadeeth you have listed out of the three.

Then we can see that Under Point 8, the Hadeeth on page 106 has a reference number Sahih Muslim1:181 which is the First hadith i have listed out from Sahih Muslim(Book #004, Hadith #0864).

But


The hadeeth that appears on page 107 is the 2nd hadeeth that you have listed.

The hadeeth that appears on page 107 with reference number Sahih Muslim 1:181!!!!, But u telling that this is pointing 2nd hadith that i have listed out from Sahih Muslim((Book #004, Hadith #0866)


Now we can see hadith in Page 106 & 107 has same reference number Sahih Muslim(1:181), but referencing 2 different hadith number that i listed out!!!? How? Really hadith in page 106 & Page 107 different hadith? If yes then they should have diffrent hadith number! Right?


Salam

['Abdullaah]

Without mentioning Context, Hadith may not convey full meaning. In the same way Portion of a hadith may not convey full meaning. This is just a Narrow or Tunnel vision of a full form or Big Picture.

:salam:
That may be true for some authors, however it is not true in this case as the author (Sheikh Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf (http://www.whitethreadpress.com/publications/fiqh_imam.htm)) has done a good job in being thorough and providing context and background. Also, the purpose of quoting the hadeeth was to further the discussion on the said topic, rather than providing a tafseer of the whole hadeeth. As such, providing only the relevant portion of the hadeeth isn't blameworthy.


Now we can see hadith in Page 106 & 107 has same reference number Sahih Muslim(1:181), but referencing 2 different hadith number that i listed out!!!? How? Really hadith in page 106 & Page 107 different hadith? If yes then they should have diffrent hadith number! Right?

That is a good observation. InshaAllaah I will try to find out from Sheikh Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf whether it's a typo, or that he is using a different referencing method.
:jazak:

And Allaah knows best.
:salam:

[rqsnnt]

:salam:
That may be true for some authors, however it is not true in this case as the author (Sheikh Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf (http://www.whitethreadpress.com/publications/fiqh_imam.htm)) has done a good job in being thorough and providing context and background. Also, the purpose of quoting the hadeeth was to further the discussion on the said topic, rather than providing a tafseer of the whole hadeeth. As such, providing only the relevant portion of the hadeeth isn't blameworthy.
.....
:jazak:

And Allaah knows best.
:salam:

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

In Shaheeh Muslim


Chapter 24 : THE COMMAND TO OBSERVE PRAYER WITH TRANQUILLITYAND CALMNESS AND PROHIBITION OF MAKING GESTURES WITH HANDS AND LIFTING THEMWHILE PRONOUNCING SALUTATION, ANDTHE COMPLETING OF FIRST ROWSAND JOINING TOGETHER WELL IN THEM


(1) Jabir b. Samura reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to us and said: How is it that I see you lifting your hands like the tails of headstrong horses? Be calm in prayer. He (the narrator) said: He then again came to us and saw us (sitting) in circles; he said: How is it that I see you in separate groups? He (the narrator) said: He again came to us and said: Why don't you draw yourselves up in rows as angels do in the presence of their Lord? We said: Messenger of Allah, bow do the angels draw themselves up in rows in the presence of their Lord? He (the Holy Prophet) said: They make the first rows complete and keep close together in the row. (Book #004, Hadith #0864)


(2) Jabir b. Samura reported: When we said prayer with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), we pronounced: Peace be upon you and Mercy of Allah, peace be upon you and Mercy of Allah, and made gesture with the hand on both the sides. Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him said: What do you point out with your hands as if they are the tails of headstrong horses? This is enough for you that one should place one's hand on one's thigh and then pronounce salutation upon one's brother on the right side and then on the left. (Book #004, Hadith #0866)


(3) Jabir b. Samura reported: We said our prayer with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and, while pronouncing salutations, we made gestures with our hands (indicating)" Peace be upon you, peace be upon you." The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) looked towards us and said: Why is it that you make gestures with your hands like the tails of headstrong horses? When any one of you pro- nounces salutation (in prayer) he should only turn his face towards his companion and should not make a gesture with his hand. (Book #004, Hadith #0867)


Last 2 hadiths r showing what type of gesture by Hand and when this gesture by Hand was done by Shahab while praying with our Prophet(may peace be upon him). That's very clear.


Brother u r saying

providing only the relevant portion of the hadeeth isn't blameworthy

Noe can u please show us from 1st hadith
1. Lifting hands like the tails of headstrong horses was done Before and After Ruku?

2. If it's relevant to Hand Lifting Before & After Ruku then where it's mentioned? Is there any word Ruku? How it's relevant to Before & After Ruku?


That is a good observation. InshaAllaah I will try to find out from Sheikh Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf whether it's a typo, or that he is using a different referencing method.

InshaAllaah we will go forward after solving our questions.

Salam

['Abdullaah]

Before & After Ruku then where it's mentioned[/B]? Is there any word Ruku? How it's relevant to Before & After Ruku?
:salam:
The discussion on the ahadeeth are mentioned in page 107, and 108. InshaAllaah if you reread them it will clear up.
:salam:

[smilesmile]

Everyone in this world is born alone and would be burried alone in any graveyard, non any of his friend or companions, family members, his precher would be burried in the same grave. on the day of judgement , no family member , no one would accompany him to answer to the questions he would be asked, alone he would enter into hell or heaven. so each one is responsible for his action and has freedom to act , freedom to choice his MAZHAB , EVERYONE WOULD BE ANSWERABLE ALONE AND THERE WOULD BE NO zulum FROM HIS ALMIGHTY SIDE AS HE IS ALMIGHTY. JUDGEMENT WOULD BE BASED ON YOUR INTENTIONS , HARDWORK TO FOLLOW RELIGION ( YOUR PERSONAL HARDWORK TOWARDS UNDERSTANDING IT) nd this all would be according to intelligence bestowed on you from almighty God. someone has very little intelligence though tries a lot to understand certain points in religion if can not comprehent would not be blamed for not following that as God is almighty , all KNOWING , HE KNOWS HOW MUCH INTELLIGENCE IS BESTOWED TO HIM FROM HISGOODSELF. therefore HER AMAL KA DARO MADAR ALLAH NA neyatoun per rakh deya hai not on DEKHAWA.

so everyone is born free , has different genetic code, so has different thinking and would not act according to anyone elses genetic make up everyone is free to choose any MAZHAB . so no one should cretize anyone . BELIEVE IT NONE OF IS GOD and telling others you are doing wrong is equal to as if you are thinking you are in a position to decide tHe way GOD would , ALMIGHTY GOD SAYS FORGET THOUSANDS OF YEARS EBADAT IF IS NOT ACCEPTED IN GOD'S EYES , BUT HE WOULD BLESS JANNAT FOR THAT ONE RAKAT SALAT, SIGDA WHICH HE WOULD LIKE.

EVERY MAZHAB EVERY SCHOOL OF THOUGHT IS INFRONT OF GOD AND HE IS ALL KNOWING AND HE IS THE ONE WHO WOULD DECIDE THE WAY HE WOULD LIKE , SO LET EVERYONE DO AS THEY FEEL APPROPRIATE ACCORDING TO THEIR WAY OF THINKING.

WE all know GOD IS ALMIGHTY WHO kNOWS at the last moment if he decide to send everyone from every mazhab in heaven or hell or what he would do? so forget taking his place please , leave everyone free to follow any path he thinks is right.

yes we all can say please try to understand using all your intelligence to follow your path , your conduct to pass life. QURAN SAYS THIS QURAN IS SUFFICIENT FOR those who have intelligence( samaj) and understanding( AQAL). quran is not sufficient for all.

khuda hafiz MAA SAlam

[smilesmile]

kindly let me know if ahadeez are not collected and written after 500 years of khilafate rashda during haroon rasheed and mamoon rasheed's time.

for your information I very much understand and follow DR MAHIR UL QADRI and listen all his lectures ( my choice , very personal choice)

['Abdullaah]

Welcome to the forum.

kindly let me know if ahadeez are not collected and written after 500 years of khilafate rashda during haroon rasheed and mamoon rasheed's time.


That is not correct sister. There are evidences of some ahadeeth being written at the time of the Sahabah (ra). The main point to note, however, is that the people of that time were proficient in being able to memorise ahadeeth with source of narration. Many people from the earliest generation memorised more than 100,000 ahadeeth, mashaAllaah.

[rqsnnt]

:salam:
The discussion on the ahadeeth are mentioned in page 107, and 108. InshaAllaah if you reread them it will clear up.
:salam:

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

In page 107 is a continuation of Hadiths from Jabir b. Samura and there is nothing mention Hand lifting Before & After Ruku.

Salam

[smilesmile]

walaho alam. here also on this forum, same old style discussions , those days people were above human being. God says he is MAHAFIZ of Quran , much fewer pages than 100,000 ahadeez . I am unable to understand this exagerations and this way borrowing intelligence with others who memorized ahadeez-----who was responsible for not writing them at that time as paper were there ----whatever texture as for battlefield messages used to be sent to rivals and friends on certain pages written and sealed. Than why it was needed to memorized ? I prompty remember and heard Dr Tahir ul Qadri saying Hazrat Ummar (R) was fed up with muslims when they used to quote ahadeez while he used to talk through Quran. So in Basra he had burnt all the lot of ahadeez collected from every place and area which he could manage to do then. After that Haroon and Mamoon Rasheed collected and wrote. Who was alive after 500 years who had memorized aahadeez at prophet Mohammed (pbuh) and Khulafaey Rashda(R) time. None was alive and it was mere family members of people of those families who said we heard this from our forfathers etc etc. kindly help me using your own intelligence and sit for few minutes and think , do not reject my thinking due to preconceived opinions which fit in your school of thoughts. sorry for not thinking the way you all are thinking. maasalam

[smilesmile]

who was alive after 500 years in the time of harroon Rashed and Mamoon Rasheed to reproduce his memmorized ahadeez.?

['Abdullaah]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

In page 107 is a continuation of Hadiths from Jabir b. Samura and there is nothing mention Hand lifting Before & After Ruku.

Salam

:salam:

You could reread from page 106-108 and inshaAllaah that could make it clearer for you. The discussion is there.
:jazak:

:salam:

['Abdullaah]

Sr. smilesmile,
inshaAllaah if you reward this booklet (http://www.tauheed-sunnat.com/sunnat/content/the-authority-sunnah), the matter will become much more clearer to you. The whole booklet is excellent, but I suppose you could start off rewading on the Preservation Methods (http://www.tauheed-sunnat.com/sunnat/content/23-different-ways-ahadith-preservation).
Hope that helps.

[rqsnnt]

:salam:

You could reread from page 106-108 and inshaAllaah that could make it clearer for you. The discussion is there.
:jazak:

:salam:

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

In page 107 is a continuation of Hadiths from Jabir b. Samura and there is nothing mention Hand lifting Before & After Ruku. Plz make me sure. I m reading rest of the pages


In page 100, There is explanation of Imam Tirmidi. We have seen there 2 opinions

A. This is the opinion of a few (ba'd) Companion for Raising of the Hands.
B. This is the opinion of more than one companion for Not Raising of the Hands.


More than One x>1 it could be 2 or rest of the companions. I asked this comparison to few people, which is one is greeter(A or B)? Most of them said A should be greater then B.
The interesting part is that Imam Tirmidi didn't adopt this explanation in his life. As i know he was a Shafii muqallid, who do Hand lifting Before & After Ruku.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tirmidhi

Salam

[smilesmile]

thanks Abdullah , you did not give the name of the book. i am student of History and have research work done , so what i understood is all sunnis and shias write ahadeez after khulafai rasheda , all hadeez were written during Haroon Rashed and Mamoon Rasheed's time and this time had arrived after 500 years of khelafate Rasheda.

Also all ahadeez narraated in Saha Sita seems to me as doubtful as according to my moullana (Dr Mahir ul Qadri of Manhaj ul Quran) I follow him. He has shown publicly these books that Almost all ahadeez in these books have first person who narrated the hadeez is either a Jew or Christian and after them we have our muslims Ravis. So---I do not know how much shias believe in their collections and what is their source as they do not believe in these books in general , they have from other sources. pls explain

[rqsnnt]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

@ 'Abdullaah

While reading point 2 in page 112 we have seen what is sunnah or Not. Following statement is well enough to understnad what is sunnah or Not

................

4. Raf' al-yadayn is sunnah.
....................

Source
Raf' al-yadayn is sunnah (http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=4a9ca9226f01dd2928542237fec26280)


While reading point 3 in page 112. Yes we have seen in many hadith that speaking during salat was permissible in earlier of Islam & it was abrogated. Plz see bellow

Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 22 :: Hadith 292
Narrated Zaid bin Arqam:

In the life-time of the Prophet we used to speak while praying, and one of us would tell his needs to his companions, till the verse, 'Guard strictly your prayers (2.238) was revealed. After that we were ordered to remain silent while praying.


Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 22 :: Hadith 290
Narrated 'Abdullah:

We used to greet the Prophet while he was praying and he used to answer our greetings. When we returned from AnNajashi (the ruler of Ethiopia), we greeted him, but he did not answer us (during the prayer) and (after finishing the prayer) he said, "In the prayer one is occupied (with a more serious matter)."

Very clear reference what was abrogated and by how? Then why not r u bringing like such Hadith that We used to lift our hand before & after Ruku, but after that this practice was abrogated!!!!

Have you any one?


Salam

['Abdullaah]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

@ 'Abdullaah

While reading point 2 in page 112 we have seen what is sunnah or Not. Following statement is well enough to understnad what is sunnah or Not

................

....................

Source
Raf' al-yadayn is sunnah (http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=4a9ca9226f01dd2928542237fec26280)


While reading point 3 in page 112. Yes we have seen in many hadith that speaking during salat was permissible in earlier of Islam & it was abrogated. Plz see bellow

Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 22 :: Hadith 292
Narrated Zaid bin Arqam:

In the life-time of the Prophet we used to speak while praying, and one of us would tell his needs to his companions, till the verse, 'Guard strictly your prayers (2.238) was revealed. After that we were ordered to remain silent while praying.


Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 22 :: Hadith 290
Narrated 'Abdullah:

We used to greet the Prophet while he was praying and he used to answer our greetings. When we returned from AnNajashi (the ruler of Ethiopia), we greeted him, but he did not answer us (during the prayer) and (after finishing the prayer) he said, "In the prayer one is occupied (with a more serious matter)."

Very clear reference what was abrogated and by how? Then why not r u bringing like such Hadith that We used to lift our hand before & after Ruku, but after that this practice was abrogated!!!!

Have you any one?


Salam

:salam:

The Askimam answer is from the Shafi'i madhhab perspective. The answerer is Sheikh Taha Karan who is a Shafi'i.

As for the condition you are putting forward, this is not the way a student of knowledge approaches legal rulings.
There are more than sufficient discussion on the links i have given you which tells us why there is ample room of disagreement on this issue, on whether Rafa'al yadain is Sunnah or not.
If you belief it's Sunnah, mashaAllaah you follow it.
I follow the Hanafi school, and both in the Hanafi and Maliki madhhab's Mujtahideen, it's not Sunnah.
Therefore, it is not appropriate to critisize those who hold either view.

Jazaakumullaahu khairan.
:salam:

[rqsnnt]

:salam:

.......
Therefore, it is not appropriate to critisize those who hold either view.

Jazaakumullaahu khairan.
:salam:

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

I am sorry if I am wrong. But issue of Abrogated is raised by the book. The book also mentioned a hadith that Talking during was arrogated. Yes correct we have seen that, I have posted this hadith. But the book was telling Raf' al-yadayn was abrogated!!!. I just wanted to know where is the evidence. I believe there should strong evidence while it's a matter of Shariah. Assumption & emotional statement may not make it Proof, only Concrete evidence will help us. Really is there any evidence, no need to talk more. Evidence is well enough.

Salam

['Abdullaah]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

I am sorry if I am wrong. But issue of Abrogated is raised by the book. The book also mentioned a hadith that Talking during was arrogated. Yes correct we have seen that, I have posted this hadith. But the book was telling Raf' al-yadayn was abrogated!!!. I just wanted to know where is the evidence. I believe there should strong evidence while it's a matter of Shariah. Assumption & emotional statement may not make it Proof, only Concrete evidence will help us. Really is there any evidence, no need to talk more. Evidence is well enough.

Salam

:salam:

The evidence from the Ahadeeth, Qur'an, Practice of the Sahabah such as Ibn Masud (ra), 'Ali (ra) and others, as well as statements and ijtihaad from the scholars of the Salaf such as Imam Abu Hanifa (ra), Imam Malik (ra), as well as the general practice of cities of knowledge such as Madina, and Kufa, are all mentioned in the 8 pages I have given you. If you have missed it all, I employ you read the pages again and understand them well. InshaAllaah that will clarify for you.
:jazak:

:salam:

[rqsnnt]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

While reading page 114 in point 7, Saying since Ibm Masud (ra) is older than Ibn Umar (ra), he had more opportunity to stand in the firt row & see clearly. It could be just an assumption. It's not true that only Ibn Umar (ra) saw Hand lifting before & after Ruku.


Malik bin Huwairith is saying about Rafy ul Yadain which was mentioned in Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 12 :: Hadith 704

Malik b. Huwairith is saying about Rafy ul Yadain which was mentioned in Muslim :: Book 4 : Hadith 762


Most amaging is that Abu Hurayrah is saying about Rafy ul Yadain but he was muslim at the last part of his life & it was in Madina.

Abu Hurayrah is saying about Rafy ul Yadain which was mentioned in Dawud :: Book 3 : Hadith 737

About Abu Hurayrah


Abu Hurairah (Arabic: أبو هريرة‎), (also known as `Abd al-Rahman ibn Sakhr Al-Azdi (Arabic: عبدالرحمن بن صخر الأزدي‎), Abu Hurayrah, or Abu Horaira) (603 – 681)

Abu Hurayrah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hurairah)


Abu Hurairah died in 681 at the age of 78.

Abu Hurayrah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hurairah)


Abu Hurairah became muslim at the last part of his life. As we know at 7 Hijri. According to Dawud :: Book 3 : Hadith 737 Abu Hurairah saw hand lifting before & aflter Ruku when he was at Madina. Very interesting!!!.


Salam

[smilesmile]

how would you explain your point of view using your quotations to one who does not believe in your way of interpritations or who does nt value your sheikhs?

so there should not be quotations from the sheikhs only yobelieve in and others do not have believe on them.

therefore discussions should be with logic and such a logic that others should understand you and eventually develop confidence in you.
or here we are just to enhance the knowledge of each other. this is the objective that perhaps other person might not have read the quotations which you have read it.

['Abdullaah]

thanks Abdullah , you did not give the name of the book. i am student of History and have research work done , so what i understood is all sunnis and shias write ahadeez after khulafai rasheda , all hadeez were written during Haroon Rashed and Mamoon Rasheed's time and this time had arrived after 500 years of khelafate Rasheda.

Also all ahadeez narraated in Saha Sita seems to me as doubtful as according to my moullana (Dr Mahir ul Qadri of Manhaj ul Quran) I follow him. He has shown publicly these books that Almost all ahadeez in these books have first person who narrated the hadeez is either a Jew or Christian and after them we have our muslims Ravis. So---I do not know how much shias believe in their collections and what is their source as they do not believe in these books in general , they have from other sources. pls explain

:salam:

The name of the book is Authority of Sunnah, and composed by Mufti Taqi Uthamni.
The assumption that ahadeeth were not written until 500 years is incorrect.
If you read the booklet link I provided earlier, you will inshaAllaah learn that Ahadeeth were written down in the first century, and some were written down even during the life time of the Prophet himself, peace be upon him.
Other examples include the ahadith compilation of Imam Malik (ra), which was written in the early 2nd century, and the book is still with us today. You can read the book here: Hadith compilation of Imam Malik (ra) (http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muwatta/).
Hope that helps.
:salam:

[smilesmile]

As Salam Ali kum
yes I saw it . It is the same as all other books at all nothing new. I quit no gain same old story one tells other you did not read this qotation I read and now you read. etc etc wastage of time khuda hafiz

one request pls do not become arabs stay pakistani thanks and write Wazoou not wadou .alhamdolillah we are bestowed by GOD with a language called urdu.

['Abdullaah]

As Salam Ali kum
yes I saw it . It is the same as all other books at all nothing new. I quit no gain same old story one tells other you did not read this qotation I read and now you read. etc etc wastage of time khuda hafiz

one request pls do not become arabs stay pakistani thanks and write Wazoou not wadou .alhamdolillah we are bestowed by GOD with a language called urdu.

Sorry couldn't quite understand what you said in the first paragraph. If you could rephrase it, that would be helpful, inshaAllaah.
As for the word wudu, since the origin of the word is from Arabic, it's good to mention it in Arabic. But nothing wrong in saying wuzu if the person knows what you are referring to.

[rqsnnt]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

While reading page 99, Openion of Imam Malik, he didn't observe practice of Raising hand in people of madina. After watching salat from Maliki madhab, a question raised in my mind that Did Imam Malik observe not Folding Hand after Takbir in salat in then people of Madina? What is the base of not Folding hand in Salat, If salat of Makiki Madhab like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCHfcuEUrxQ).

Salam

[abuhajira]

one request pls do not become arabs stay pakistani thanks and write Wazoou not wadou .alhamdolillah we are bestowed by GOD with a language called urdu.

:salam:

We should take pride in learning the language of Quran. Anyhow, I am posting for clarification of just a few of aspects here.. perhaps I will post again with regards to other inaccuracies mentioned.

1. Wudhu ( وُضوء ) with a pesh on the wao is wudhu as in ablution. While wadhu ( وَضوء ) with a zabar on wao, is another word (noun) meaning washing, which normally includes like washing hand etc (but not necessarily walshing all the limbs of ritual ablution). Hence it is indeed very important how you pronounce the words.

2. The information that Hadeeth got written 500 years after Khulafa Rashideen is absolute nonsense. The Sahifa of Wahab ibn Munabbi alone, whose original manuscripts were recorded by Habibur Rahman Azarmi r.a dates back to 20-30 H.. That within the time of khulafa rashideen. And its a glaring proof that hadeeth were indeed written at that time. Moreover, Even the compiled books like Bukhari and Muslim have their older manuscripts dating before 500H .. so the research which you have done is very inaccurate to say the least.

3. Maulana Tahir ul Qadri ( with Tuaa and not Maa ) is the founder of Minhaajul Quran. Maulana Mahirul Qadri was a poet in 70's who made hijrah from UP, India to Pakistan and passed away in 1978.

4. To my knowledge, Ml. Tahirul Qadri does not weaken the ahadeeth of Sihah Sitta by attributing a rawi to yahud or nasara. This is a claim which I find hard to accept

5. Could your please post who these jews or christians are? I believe you may be refering to Ka'b ibn Ahbar who was a raahib ( Rabi ) and then reverted to Islam. Some scholar did say that he brings Israeliyaat, however that claim is void when accompanied with the Sharait of Bukhari etc. Our Ulama do not blindly follow a hadeeth, rather have proper usools to sift those from which istidlal can be taken from those which are to be left alone.

:ws:

[rqsnnt]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

@ 'Abdullaah

While reading in Page no 106 & Point 7, The Hands are to be raised at seven instance, but here no mention of Witr prayer for Qunut, but my question is why Hanafis do Hand raising in Witr prayer for Qunut?

Salam

[Colonel_Hardstone]

one request pls do not become arabs stay pakistani thanks and write Wazoou not wadou .alhamdolillah we are bestowed by GOD with a language called urdu.

:salam:

I am Pakistani and your pronounciation & spelling is wrong.

Its Wu"z"oo so the only difference between Urdu & Arabic is pronounciation of "Zaal" and you don't place a Zabar on Waw to make it Wazoou and you certainly don't make it "oou" in Urdu. What does the "u" in Urdu indicate?

:jazak:

[Mizan]

I am Shafi'i. We do Qunut too in Witr prayer which is during the half of Ramadhan...which is from the nights of 15th to 29th or 30th. And when doing Hajj... Our Hajj instructor (we have Hajj Board here) will gave us their advice for us to change to Maliki mazhab when doing tawaf, so we will do wudhu following the Maliki way (its easy for us when doing hajj with our wives) . For Zakat fitrah we use money or may be dirhams or dinars instead of grains that is used by Shafi'i mazhab (the zakat fitrah value is evaluate by the government every year). So if u r changing to the other three mazahib, make sure follow all the principles and tenants of the mazhab. Every four mazahib of ahlu sunnah wal jamaah have their own methods in analysing Quran and Hadith. This is where they differ. Nabi saw had said that whoever is right in his opinion (tajdid) he will get 10 hasanah. And whoever is wrong in his tajdid will get 1 hasanah. And for sure, the four Imams are Mujaddid.. I would like to follow them and the previous ulema that followed them. :) And I would love to know more about Hanbali mazhab...May be changing to Hanbali someday...who knows? (Pure Hanbali, not Salafi Wahhabi).

[rqsnnt]

I am Shafi'i. We do Qunut too in Witr prayer which is during the half of Ramadhan...which is from the nights of 15th to 29th or 30th. And when doing Hajj... Our Hajj instructor (we have Hajj Board here) will gave us their advice for us to change to Maliki mazhab when doing tawaf, so we will do wudhu following the Maliki way (its easy for us when doing hajj with our wives) . For Zakat fitrah we use money or may be dirhams or dinars instead of grains that is used by Shafi'i mazhab (the zakat fitrah value is evaluate by the government every year). So if u r changing to the other three mazahib, make sure follow all the principles and tenants of the mazhab. Every four mazahib of ahlu sunnah wal jamaah have their own methods in analysing Quran and Hadith. This is where they differ. Nabi saw had said that whoever is right in his opinion (tajdid) he will get 10 hasanah. And whoever is wrong in his tajdid will get 1 hasanah. And for sure, the four Imams are Mujaddid.. I would like to follow them and the previous ulema that followed them. :) And I would love to know more about Hanbali mazhab...May be changing to Hanbali someday...who knows? (Pure Hanbali, not Salafi Wahhabi).

:bism:
:salam:


And when doing Hajj... Our Hajj instructor (we have Hajj Board here) will gave us their advice for us to change to Maliki mazhab when doing tawaf, so we will do wudhu following the Maliki way (its easy for us when doing hajj with our wives) .

What is the specific reason to change to Maliki madhab? I guess woman touch breaks wudu? Will u perform salat during hajj like Maliki madhab (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCHfcuEUrxQ)?


Nabi saw had said that whoever is right in his opinion (tajdid) he will get 10 hasanah. And whoever is wrong in his tajdid will get 1 hasanah.

Can u plz provide reference for that?


:jazak:

[Nomadic]

One does not have to abadone the school of Shafi method of parying salaat just becuase the instructer ask them to follow Malaki school in specific situation.. The exception is given for the particular situation. Similarly most Deo Hanafis (strict Hanafis) adopted Malaki School in matters of marriage related matters. This is born out of evidance that is best suited for current time in the social context. Generally the hanafis adopt Malaki school in absense of a soloution. Similarly the other school also follow different schools for particular situation. Some shariah advisor in Nigeria (malaki) looks to Hanafis and others for certain hudud related matters (again in the current context).
This however is decided by the capeble scholars and not by laymen with rudumentry grasp of usul and Islamic sciences.


:bism:
:salam:



What is the specific reason to change to Maliki madhab? I guess woman touch breaks wudu? Will u perform salat during hajj like Maliki madhab (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCHfcuEUrxQ)?



Can u plz provide reference for that?


:jazak:

[rqsnnt]

One does not have to abadone the school of Shafi method of parying salaat just becuase the instructer ask them to follow Malaki school in specific situation.. The exception is given for the particular situation. Similarly most Deo Hanafis (strict Hanafis) adopted Malaki School in matters of marriage related matters. This is born out of evidance that is best suited for current time in the social context. Generally the hanafis adopt Malaki school in absense of a soloution. Similarly the other school also follow different schools for particular situation. Some shariah advisor in Nigeria (malaki) looks to Hanafis and others for certain hudud related matters (again in the current context).
This however is decided by the capeble scholars and not by laymen with rudumentry grasp of usul and Islamic sciences.


:bism:
:salam:

Brother Nomadic, try to practice sunnah & spreed sunnah.:-)



One does not have to abadone the school of Shafi method of parying salaat just becuase the instructer ask them to follow Malaki school in specific situation.

How do u know he is saying about Shafi method of parying salaat? He is talking about doing tawaf, doing wudhu following the Maliki way?


Similarly most Deo Hanafis (strict Hanafis) adopted Malaki School in matters of marriage related matters.

If someone is a Hanafee and becomes a Shafi’ee, then his witness will not be accepted (http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=b551a17a218c568f8de379257532defa)


Generally the hanafis adopt Malaki school in absense of a soloution.
Is hanafis madhab incomplete madhab?:cheesygri



This however is decided by the capeble scholars and not by laymen with rudumentry grasp of usul and Islamic sciences
This is from a scholar. (http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=b551a17a218c568f8de379257532defa)
:jazak:

[rqsnnt]

.... Nabi saw had said that whoever is right in his opinion (tajdid) he will get 10 hasanah. And whoever is wrong in his tajdid will get 1 hasanah. ....

:bism:
:salam:

Brother i asked u for a reference which u said from our prophet :saw:. Plz Provide reference.

:jazak:

[Caliph]

Changing madhab is fine. W/salam

[pqsseo]

Changing Madhab is important in Islam, but it is not a critical thing as to change your Eman. Madhab changes your practices, not belief.


To keep your faith strong, put trust in Allah (SWT), read the Quran everyday, and pray with all your heart. And remember, do things with your heart, not with your body.

[Usman]

:bism:
:salam:

Brother i asked u for a reference which u said from our prophet :saw:. Plz Provide reference.

:jazak:

:salam"

brother you claim to not follow any madhab; hence you surely are someone well qualified to look into the ahadeeth yourself, please look for the appropriate hadeeth in the appropriate locations.

:jazak:

[rqsnnt]

:salam"

brother you claim to not follow any madhab; hence you surely are someone well qualified to look into the ahadeeth yourself, please look for the appropriate hadeeth in the appropriate locations.

:jazak:


:bism:
:salam:

I didn't claim following is a statement from our prophet :saw:.


Nabi saw had said that whoever is right in his opinion (tajdid) he will get 10 hasanah. And whoever is wrong in his tajdid will get 1 hasanah


please look for the appropriate hadeeth in the appropriate locations
If u r following a madhab (if madhab is based on Quran + Hadith), then is isn't a appropriate location to ask about a hadith? lol.

OP didn't answer my question yet and u also trying hide something, which gives me an impression that mentioned hadith may be fabricated!? PLZ LET US KNOW IF ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THIS HADITH.

:jazak:

[Usman]

:bism:
:salam:

I didn't claim following is a statement from our prophet :saw:.




If u r following a madhab (if madhab is based on Quran + Hadith), then is isn't a appropriate location to ask about a hadith? lol.

OP didn't answer my question yet and u also trying hide something, which gives me an impression that mentioned hadith may be fabricated!? PLZ LET US KNOW IF ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THIS HADITH.

:jazak:

:salam:

Dear, the hadeeth exists, your claim of fabrication doesn't have any effect on us since your true face is clear upon all the members here

[rqsnnt]

:salam:

Dear, the hadeeth exists, your claim of fabrication doesn't have any effect on us since your true face is clear upon all the members here

:bism:
:salam:


Brother where did i claim of fabrication? I expressed my impression, didn't claim. Be careful while telling something which is not true about a Muslim.

Bring forth your proofs, if you are truthful.


Chapter 1377: Disapproval of concealing knowledge
Sunan Abu-Dawud:Book 19, Number 3650:
Narrated Abu Hurairah:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: He who is asked something he knows and conceals it will have a bridle of fire put on him on the Day of Resurrection.

Plz mention reference and status of this hadith

Brother we have to remember followings while saying something from our prophet

Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 3, Number 106:
Narrated 'Ali:

The Prophet said, "Do not tell a lie against me for whoever tells a lie against me (intentionally) then he will surely enter the Hell-fire."

Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 3, Number 107:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Az-Zubair:

I said to my father, 'I do not hear from you any narration (Hadith) of Allah s Apostle as I hear (his narrations) from so and so?" Az-Zubair replied. l was always with him (the Prophet) and I heard him saying "Whoever tells a lie against me (intentionally) then (surely) let him occupy, his seat in Hell-fire.


Waiting for ur reply with sure reference.

BTW i don't care about any effect on u since my true face is clear upon all the members here.

:jazak:

[Usman]

:bism:
:salam:


Brother where did i claim of fabrication? I expressed my impression, didn't claim. Be careful while telling something which is not true about a Muslim.

Bring forth your proofs, if you are truthful.


Chapter 1377: Disapproval of concealing knowledge
Sunan Abu-Dawud:Book 19, Number 3650:
Narrated Abu Hurairah:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: He who is asked something he knows and conceals it will have a bridle of fire put on him on the Day of Resurrection.

Plz mention reference and status of this hadith

Brother we have to remember followings while saying something from our prophet

Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 3, Number 106:
Narrated 'Ali:

The Prophet said, "Do not tell a lie against me for whoever tells a lie against me (intentionally) then he will surely enter the Hell-fire."

Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 3, Number 107:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Az-Zubair:

I said to my father, 'I do not hear from you any narration (Hadith) of Allah s Apostle as I hear (his narrations) from so and so?" Az-Zubair replied. l was always with him (the Prophet) and I heard him saying "Whoever tells a lie against me (intentionally) then (surely) let him occupy, his seat in Hell-fire.


Waiting for ur reply with sure reference.

BTW i don't care about any effect on u since my true face is clear upon all the members here.

:jazak:

tsk tsk....


Brother i asked u for a reference which u said from our prophet . Plz Provide reference.

He's not obligated to provide a reference. Question, is it compulsory to provide a reference to a hadeeth and its narrations?

[rqsnnt]

tsk tsk....



He's not obligated to provide a reference. Question, is it compulsory to provide a reference to a hadeeth and its narrations?


:salam:

LOL, a perfect major symbol of hypocrite

Whenever he speaks, he tells a lie

if it not u how said as follow



..
Dear, the hadeeth exists, ...


:jazak:

[abulayl]

LOL, a perfect major symbol of hypocrite

calling him a munafiq :rolleyes:

[Usman]

:salam:

LOL, a perfect major symbol of hypocrite

Whenever he speaks, he tells a lie

if it not u how said as follow


:jazak:



:salam:

:-) :lol: :cheesygri Like I said , your true....

[NazimKhanOwaisi]

Salaam alaykum is it ok to change madhab?

If you are hanafi but you move to a maliki dominated area should you chnage to maliki fiqh?

Doesnt really matter i believe in all 4 imaams and choose to be hanafi its upto you which out of the four imaams you wanna follow. From what i know end of the day ask your Local Imaam or Alim thats what they get payed for is help people that are seeking answers.

[FususAlHikam]

all four of them are 100% correct in their oppinions?

so the prophet SAW never raised his arms after ruku but always raised his arms after ruku? Doesnt make sens. So the prophet SAW lost wudhu after his wife touched him, but didnt lose wudhu after his wife touched him. Doesnt make sense

Doesnt make sense to us because we havent studied the depth of the matter, you are not going to understand these issues unless you understand usool of their schools and how they derive their rulings and all that - its all a big complex thingy man, either you study it to its core depth or you just leave it to ulama and follow what they say. Following ulama is the easy way out; you come across an issue, you pick up phone and ask scholar he tells you what to do, you do it and case closed you go back to enjoying life.

Someone should write this logo on t-shirt: Life is short, make taqleed.

[a_muslim]

all four of them are 100% correct in their oppinions?

so the prophet SAW never raised his arms after ruku but always raised his arms after ruku? Doesnt make sens. So the prophet SAW lost wudhu after his wife touched him, but didnt lose wudhu after his wife touched him. Doesnt make sense

The problem here is simple, when people talk about all opinions being 100% correct, they're referring to the validity (i.e. it is 100% valid to follow them) whilst you are talking about what is haq according to Allah.

Since youve been studying Hanafi fiqh, you'll sure know the status of Imam Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-Shaybani :rahma:. Well in the book Fiqh al-Imam, Imam Muhammad is quoted from his work Bulugh al-Ma'ani explaining the matter. It's a very long quote, here's some part of it:


Ibn Abi' l-Awam narrated from Imam Tahawi and Sulayman ibn Shu'ayb that Shu'ayb al-Kasani said, "Imam Muhmmad dictated to us that whenever people are in conflict with one another regarding a particular issue - and the situation is such that both jurists possess the competence to undertake ijtihad - even then, the opinion which is the truth according to Allah is still one...It is not correct for a person to conclude from two conflicting opinions that both can be the truth [haq] according to Allah...

He then goes on to explain how both are valid cos of the fulfilment of ijtihad. The quote is much, much longer, i just quoted this cos it deals with the issue at hand.

This stance is also that of the Ulama of Deoband according to a quote of Imam Anwar Shah al-Kashmiri :rahma: i remember reading...


And Allah :taala: knows best.

[Mizan]

yup...Life is short...

[Be_Muslim]

A question, should we join our hands after ruku or leave our hands after? I know, It is stated by Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal (R.H) but I want to make my mind clear.
Is it stated in hadees joining hands after ruku or leaving hands after ruku.
If it is, so show me a hadees.

['Abdullaah]

A question, should we join our hands after ruku or leave our hands after? I know, It is stated by Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal (R.H) but I want to make my mind clear.
Is it stated in hadees joining hands after ruku or leaving hands after ruku.
If it is, so show me a hadees.

:salam: Br.

I think it might be better to open a new thread with that question.
:jazak:

:salam:

[Abdullah288]

A question, should we join our hands after ruku or leave our hands after? I know, It is stated by Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal (R.H) but I want to make my mind clear.
Is it stated in hadees joining hands after ruku or leaving hands after ruku.
If it is, so show me a hadees.


Bismillahi Al-Rahmani Al-Rahim

The Hands After Ruku`
Q
Can you please post some proof of why one should or should not place the right hand on the left forearm when standing up from rukoo. I have read that some of the Hanbali scholars allow it and other do not.

What was the opinion of Imaam Ahmad [radi allahu `anhu], Ibn Qudamah [radi allahu `anhu] or other great Hanbali scholars on this issue?

Are there any good books in English that deal with this issue?

[message slightly modified]

A
al-salamu `alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

The great Hanbali Imams have various opinions on this issue. In his notes on Majd al-Din's Al-Muharrar, Ibn Muflih (may Allah be merciful with them both) writes
...[Al-Majd] did not mention the ruling of his [the person praying] hands after rising from bowing. Imam Ahmad (may Allah be pleased with him) said, "If he so wishes, he lets them dangle [irsal]. And if he wishes he places his right [hand] on his left [hand]." Al-Qadi [Abu Ya`la] was certain of this [later] position [qata` bihi] in Al-Jami` [...] And in Al-Mudhhib and Al-Talkhis that he lets them hand down after rising. And in Ri`ayah it was mentioned that the difference here is just as in the case of [where] to place them after the inaugural takbir. (Al-Muharrar 1:62)
S o: both opinions are transmitted from Imam Ahmad (may Allah be pleased with him) and both opinions were accepted by early Imams of the madhhab (may Allah be pleased with them). Here's what we find in books (in rough chronological order):
Ibn Qudama in Al-`Umdah says nothing about where to place the hands after rising, and its commentary Al-`Uddah does not clear up the matter.
But in Al-Mughni Ibn Qudama puts forth the opinion of returning the hands to where they were.
Zad al-Mustaqni` (cf c3.9 in the translation) does not mention the hands after coming up. But in Al-Raud al-murbi` , Al-Buhuti says that either one is fine.
In Kashshaf al-qina` Al-Buhuti gives no preference (1:348).
In Mukhtasar al-ifadat (92) Ibn Balban does as Al-Buhuti.
But he says nothing in Akhsar al-Mukhtasarat although Al-Ba`li does explain it this way in Kashf al-mukhaddarat (1:134).
Mar`i bin Yusuf also does the same in Ghayat al-muntaha (1:128).

However

But in Dalil al-talib, he says that it is a sunna to let them hang down. Sheikh `Abd al-Qadir al-Taghlabi in Nail al-ma'arib is silent on this, as is Al-Lubadi in his marinal notes. (See Nail al-ma'arib 1:142). Ibrahim Duwayyan in Manar al-Sabil is also silent (p84).
H ere in Sham, the preferred book for fatwa is Nail al-ma'arib, so it is best to leave the hands down. But in the Gulf the preferred books for fatawa are Al-Buhuti's, so there the two are equal.

[The evidence]

Both opinions have their textual evidence. If you have Bulugh al-maram you can open the book to Bab sifat al-salat (The Prayer's Description), and look for hadiths 280 and 284 (the third and seventh hadiths). Numbering varies from print to print, and some do not even include hadith 280.

Those who say that the hands can (or should) be put back to where they were before bowing can cite hadith 280, a narration from Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) in Imam Ahmad's Musnad, that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said about rising from bowing, "And straighten your body [sulbak] until the bones return" (Ahmad 3:340). Since "bones" here is general, it includes all bones and not just the bones in the back. Therefore, this is a command to return all bones back to where they were before bowing, which includes returning the hands beneath the navel, clasping the left hand with the right.

Those who say that the hands should be left dangling can cite hadith 284, a hadith in Bukhari's Sahih narrated from Abu Humaid al-Sa`idi (Allah be pleased with him), in which the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, "And when you raise you head straighten up until each bones in your spine [the vertabra] returns to its place" (Al-Bukhari 2:305). Since "bones" here is constrained to the bones of the back and thus has nothing to do with other bones, so it only indicates that the back should be straightened as much as possible.

And Allah knows best.

[Books]

I personally have not read anything on this specific this topic in English, but I'm sure that there's quite a bit to be found.

And Allah knows best.

At your service
wa al-salamu `alaykum
--musa

http://mac.abc.se/~onesr/h/170.html

[Be_Muslim]

Jazaak-Allah-Khair. Thank you my Brother thank you.

[Be_Muslim]

Is there any difference between Salafis and Wahabis? I thought these both were same but people say there is a difference. Please tell me because i want to change in Wahabi?

[ImamGhazzaali]

If you don't know about them then don't change into them.

Generally, they follow the Hanbali Madhhab with few differences and [some] have 'Aqeedah issues.

They're your Muslim brothers/sisters at the end of the day so treat them with how you want to be treated.

[Be_Muslim]

I changed from Hanafi into Shaafi then into Wahabi :D

[searchtrue99]

I changed from Hanafi into Shaafi then into Wahabi :D


As i know Wahabi is not a Madhab, it's a movement started by Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab.:cheesygri

[searchtrue99]

You changed from being a student into somone with a DIY mindset.
You changed from the triend and tested method to someone easily manipulated by slogan.
You changed from following due process to somone with scant regards to any process.
You changed from someone who knew very little to someone who knows little with a mindset of know it all.
You changed from being modest to being imodest.
You may realise this when your hair goes gray or never realise it as you become bitter and old.
Allahualam

:salam:

Brother in my experience i have seen these are happening around us. Many people are leaving madhab/ Feeling doubt to follow madhab. This is the real fact which is facing the ummah.