Various scandalous and corrupt beliefs of Twelver Shias

[TripolySunni]

akh wellwisher, I think you stumbled across gold... subhannallah, this is another spear that will pierce the shia. If it is how it seems.
"al Mukhtasar min kitab al Muwafaqah bayn Ahlul-Bayt wal Sahabah by al Zamakhshari, page 141, Sayyid Ibrahim Sadiq, Darul Hadith, print 2001."
Is this a shi'i book? Because as far as i know zamakhshari is a sunni writer? But Sayyid Ibrahim Sadiq is shi'i right? And what is an Al-mukhtasar, forgive my lack of arabic....
wslm

When you read the word "Mukhtasar" at the beginning of a book's name it means it's not the complete book in all of its details but a useful summary that is satisfactory to the average reader, for example: "Mukhtasar al Tuhfah al ithna Ashariyah".

So this book "Kitab al Muwafaqah" was written by al Hafiz Ismael bin Ali bin al Hassan al Razi, it was later summarised by Jarullah abu al Qassim Mahmoud al Zamakhshari. The Man who did the the Tahqiq was Sayyed Ibrahim Sadiq and Sayyid Yusuf Ahmad and maybe others... I don't know who they are nor what Madhab they adopt.

What is "Kitab al Muwafaqah bayn Ahlul-bayt wal Sahabah"? This book is intended to contain all The Sahih and Hasan Narrations in which The Ahlul-bayt speak of the virtues of the companions and The Companions speak of the Virtues of Ahlul-bayt. Then al Zamakhshari made a summary in which he deleted some of the repeated Isnads just to make it shorter and easier for the reader.

This book is a book of Ahlul-Sunnah wal Jama'ah so no problem in buying it and reading it.

Salam Aleykum,

[wellwisher]

Assalamalaikum akhee tripolysunni,

A brother provided me two links and in those there are some narrations from SHiA books which shows that abdullah ibn saba(la) used to insult sahaba specially the sheiken. But the present day shias try to portray that thy didnt have any common believe like of ibn saba.. So can you please filter out those akhee where ibn saba used to insult the shiekein..
http://www.islamway.com/?iw_s=Article&iw_a=view&article_id=1902

http://www.ahlalhdeeth(dot).com/vb/showthread.php?t=86974

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[wellwisher]

Ibn Kathir quoted from Abu Bakr al-Bayhaqi the hadith of Muhammad b. Yusuf al-Firyabi (al-Bukhari said that he was the best of the people of his time) from `Ubbad b. Kathir ar-Ramli, one of his shaykhs (Ibn al-Madini said that he was reliable and there is no harm in him) from `Abdu’r-Rahman b. Hurmuz al-A’raj (one of the Tabi`un who died in Alexandria) from Abu Hurayra who said, "By Allah, there is no god but Him. If Abu Bakr had not been appointed, Allah would not have been worshipped." Then he said it a second and a third time. It was said to him, "Easy, Abu Hurayra!" He said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, sent Usama b. Zayd with seven hundred men to Syria. When he alighted at Dhu’l-Khasab, the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, died and the Arabs around Madina apostatized. The Companions of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, gathered round him and they said, "Abu Bakr, turn those men back. They are sent to the Greeks when the Arabs around Madina have apostatized!?" He said, "By Allah, there is no god but Him. If the dogs were to snap at the feet of the wives of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, I still would not turn back an army which the Messenger of Allah had sent nor undo what the Messenger of Allah had tied." He sent Usama. He did not pass by a tribe who wanted to apostatize without them saying, "If it had not been that those men had strength, they would never have sent out the like of these. We will wait until they have encountered the Greeks. They met the Greeks and defeated and killed them and returned safely, so the tribes remained firm in Islam. `Umar and others said to him, " If the Arabs deny you the zakat, then be patient with them." He said, "By Allah, if they will not give me a camel-halter which is due to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, I will fight them for it. I will fight those who make any distinction between zakat and the prayer!" (In ‘The Beginning and the End’ (6:305)) (al bidaya wan nihaya vol 6, page 305)

Points derived from this narration:

1. Islam was saved by hz abubakar(ra). (its a response to shias who say it was saved by hz hussain(ra))

2.Hz abubakar(ra) was the most strictest when it came to following the command of prophet(Saw). We find that companions adviced him to make the army sent to greek return, BUT HE SAID THAT : If the dogs were to snap at the feet of the wives of the Messenger of Allah(saw), I still would not turn back an army which the Messenger of Allah had sent nor undo what the Messenger of Allah had tied.". Now we know that one of the wives of prophet(Saw) was hz ayesha(ra) his own daughter but see his attachment with sunnah of prophet(Saw). He just wanted to follow what prophet(Saw) had said even if it goes against the views of others(companions). So its not strange to find such a great man not giving a small portion of land(fadak) to daughter of prophet(Saw)(which was of no value for him) JUST BECAUSE PROPHET(SAW) SAID THAT HE DIDN'T LEAVE ANY INHERITANCE. Both the issues are same, even in this matter people contradict with him and even in that matter, but this great man always correct since he JUST WENT AHEAD WITH WHAT PROPHET(SAW) SAID.

This is what islam is....

[*Ali*]

Assalamu Aleykum brothers,

I'm searching for some shia sahih hadith about the destruction of earth if there is no infaillible Imam.

[TripolySunni]

@Wellwisher, I mean no disrespect for Sayyiduna al Hussein bin Ali (RA) but the claim that Hussein (RA) saved Islam in Karbala this is EXTREMELY ridiculous, When the Prophet PBUH and the companions were fighting and dying and sacrificing their wealth and families for the sake of Allah and to establish Islam in the Arabian peninsula, both al Hassan and al Hussein may Allah be pleased with them were just babies, matter of the fact is that this saying that Hussein (RA) saved Islam isn't true in fact he barely contributed because after Islam was established and after the Porphet PBUH died and the first Caliph was elected al Hassan was only seven years old and al Hussein was six years old. All of this while taking into consideration that Imam al Hussein (RA) intended to save Islam by doing what he did even though not much good came out of it but this is why we respect him and his bravery and courage, on the other hand I have Sahih Hadith which prove that al Imam al Hassan (fifth caliph) had saved the Muslims according to the prophecy of Rassul Allah PBUH.
In Conclusion it is neither Abu Bakr or Hussein or Hassan it is Allah who saves Islam but he does it through pious Men.

@*Ali*, remember the article I translated about the Mahdi? search in part five I think you'll find a couple of those.

Salam,

[*Ali*]

The mahdi tour ? yes i remember, thank you bro.

[mohammadfarhan]

@Wellwisher, I mean no disrespect for Sayyiduna al Hussein bin Ali (RA) but the claim that Hussein (RA) saved Islam in Karbala this is EXTREMELY ridiculous, When the Prophet PBUH and the companions were fighting and dying and sacrificing their wealth and families for the sake of Allah and to establish Islam in the Arabian peninsula, both al Hassan and al Hussein may Allah be pleased with them were just babies, matter of the fact is that this saying that Hussein (RA) saved Islam isn't true in fact he barely contributed because after Islam was established and after the Porphet PBUH died and the first Caliph was elected al Hassan was only seven years old and al Hussein was six years old. All of this while taking into consideration that Imam al Hussein (RA) intended to save Islam by doing what he did even though not much good came out of it but this is why we respect him and his bravery and courage, on the other hand I have Sahih Hadith which prove that al Imam al Hassan (fifth caliph) had saved the Muslims according to the prophecy of Rassul Allah PBUH.
In Conclusion it is neither Abu Bakr or Hussein or Hassan it is Allah who saves Islam but he does it through pious Men.

@*Ali*, remember the article I translated about the Mahdi? search in part five I think you'll find a couple of those.

Salam,

salam

akhi, plz quote that hadiths which says prophet predicted that mu son hassan[ra] will make peace b/w two momins. & plz tell anything u know regarding that hadiths.
Actually i want sunni SAHIH hadith on marits of muawiyah[ra] as more as possible.,

wasalam

[wellwisher]

@tripolysunni
yes akhe i know that, thats why i quoted that narration which removes that misconception. Anyways akhee can you please look in the request i made in post #756 ?

[TripolySunni]

Assalamalaikum akhee tripolysunni,

A brother provided me two links and in those there are some narrations from SHiA books which shows that abdullah ibn saba(la) used to insult sahaba specially the sheiken. But the present day shias try to portray that thy didnt have any common believe like of ibn saba.. So can you please filter out those akhee where ibn saba used to insult the shiekein..
http://www.islamway.com/?iw_s=Article&iw_a=view&article_id=1902

http://www.ahlalhdeeth(dot).com/vb/showthread.php?t=86974

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Salam Aleykum,

I'am really busy but I leave my affair in the hands of Allah I'll see what I can help you with,

This thread is full of information on Abdullah ibn Saba:
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?1308-Who-was-Abdullah-ibn-Saba/page4


وقال النوبختي: "السبئية قالوا بإمامة علي وأنـها فرض من الله عز وجل وهم أصحاب عبد الله بن سبأ، وكان ممن أظهر الطعن على أبي بكر وعمر وعثمان والصحابة وتبرأ منهم وقال: "إن علياً عليه السلام أمره بذلك" فأخذه عليّ فسأله عن قوله هذا، فأقر به فأمر بقتله فصاح الناس إليه: يا أمير المؤمنين أتقتل رجلاً يدعو إلى حبكم أهل البيت وإلى ولايتك والبراءة من أعدائك؟ فصيره إلى المدائن".
وحكى جماعة من أهل العلم أن عبد الله بن سبأ كان يهودياً فأسلم ووالى علياً وكان يقول وهو على يهوديته في يوشع بن نون بعد موسى عليه السلام بـهذه المقالة، فقال في إسلامه في علي بن أبي طالب بمثل ذلك، وهو أول من شهر القول بفرض إمامة علي عليه السلام وأظهر البراءة من أعدائه.. فمن هنا قال من خالف الشيعة: إن أصل الرفض مأخوذ من اليهودية" (فرق الشيعة: 32-44).


Major Shia Classical Historian al Nawbakhti says: "Sabais are those who claimed that the Imamah of Ali is a divine order from Allah they are the companions of 'Abdullah bin Saba. 'Abdullah bin Saba criticized Abu Bakr, 'Umar, 'Uthman and other companions (may Allah be pleased with them) of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and disaffiliated himself from them and he imputed his acts to the command of 'Ali (may Allah be pleased with him). When 'Ali caught hold of him and asked him about it, he confessed to it. After his confession, he ordered him to be executed. On hearing the order, [quite a few people] made a humble submission to 'Ali:O Amir al-Muminin! You have ordered the execution of a person who professes your friendship and the love of your Ahl al-Bay't. 'Ali complied with the submission and exiled him to Madain."
Some of the people of knowledge said that Ibn Saba was a jew who adopted Islam and became a supporter of Ali bin abi Talib. As a jew he used to say about Ibn Nun and Musa PBUH the same things he said about Ali as a Muslim. He is the first who publicly said that the Imamah of Ali was an obligatory order and so is disassociating ones self from his enemies.. From here those who opposed the Shia said that the origin of Rafd is taken from Judaism.

source: Firaq al Shia 32-44.


وقال سعد بن عبد الله الأشعري القمي في معرض كلامه عن السبئية: "السبئية أصحاب عبد الله بن سبأ، وهو عبد الله بن وهب الراسبي الهمداني، وساعده على ذلك عبد الله بن خرسي وابن اسود وهما من أجل أصحابه، وكان أول من أظهر الطعن على أبي بكر وعمر وعثمان والصحابة وتبرأ منهم" (المقالات والفرق: 20).

Shia scholar Sa'ad bin Abdullah al Asha'ari al Qummi said while discussing Sabais: "Sabais are the companions of Abdullah Ibn Saba whose name is Abdullah bin Wahb al Rasibi al Hamdani, from his supporters are Abdullah bin Khurasi and Ibn Aswad who were from his closest companions. He was the first to show hatred and enmity towards Abu Bakr and Umar and Uthman and the companions and disaffiliated himself from them."

source: Al Maqalat wal Firaq p20.

(the second article has correct quotes it seems but no references).

I just got me a book on Abdullah ibn Saba inchallah soon I will translate some things to add them to brother Saad's thread.

Salam Aleykum,

[wellwisher]

I just got me a book on Abdullah ibn Saba inchallah soon I will translate some things to add them to brother Saad's thread.
walaikumsalam akhee... jazakallak khairan. we will wait for that akhee..(empahsize on translating those things which are present in present day shia, like cursing the sahaba, believes on imama which even were the believes on ibn saba)

And akhee can you please look into the request of post #748.

And are you from syria?

[TripolySunni]

Al Salam Aleykum,

Explanation of the Sahih Hadiths about Hassan, Hussein, Abu Bakr, Umar, Fatima and Mariam may the peace of Allah be upon them. (mentioned in post #728):


First Hadith:


الحسن والحسين سيدا شباب أهل الجنة


Abu Sa'eed al Khudri (RA) narrated: The prophet PBUH said: Al Hassan and al Hussein are the Masters of the youth of Paradise.
Grading: SAHIH.

According to this Hadith al Hassan wal Hussein (RAA) are the Masters of the youth of Paradise. However, we know from the correct and famous narrations that all Men and Women will be youth once they enter paradise and some sources says 33 years old to be specific. we state a narration:


أتت عجوز إلى النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقالت يا رسول الله ادع الله أن يدخلني الجنة فقال يا أم فلان إن الجنة لا تدخلها عجوز قال فولت تبكي فقال أخبروها أنها لا تدخلها وهي عجوز إن الله تعالى يقول إنا أنشأناهن إنشاء فجعلناهن أبكارا عربا أترابا

Translation: An old woman came to the Prophet PBUH and said: O Apostle of Allah make Dua to Allah for me so that I may enter Jannah, He said: O Umm Fulan an old woman will not enter Jannah, she cried so he told his companions: Tell her she will not enter it as an old woman because Allah says: {for, behold, We shall have brought them into being in a life renewed, (35) having resurrected them as virgins, (36)}

If everyone in heaven is youth does this mean al Hassan wal Hussein (RAA) will be the Masters of Ali (RA) and Abu Bakr (RA) for example?

What is actually meant by the Hadith is that they will be the Masters of the youth from their generation and age, meaning all the young Muslim youth back at that time.

Second Hadith:



كنت عند رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إذ أقبل أبو بكر وعمر فقال يا علي هذان سيدا كهول أهل الجنة من الأولين والآخرين إلا النبيين والمرسلين


Ali bin abi Talib (RA) said: I was with the Prophet PBUH then Abu Bakr and Umar may Allah be pleased with them arrived so he PBUH told me: O Ali these two are the Masters of the Older Men(Kuhoul) of the people of paradise and its youth from the first and the last after the Prophets and the messengers.

Grading: SAHIH.


What is meant here is the same as the above Hadith, when the prophet PBUH told this to Abu Bakr (RA) and Umar (RA) they were at a stage of life described in Arabic as "Kuhoul" meaning adult men who are near being called "Old Man" or in Arabic "Sheikh" or "'Ajouz", you can say from around forty to around 51 years of age when they start to get grey hair this would be described as "Kuhoul". So they are the Masters of the Older men "Kuhoul" from the first and the last except the Prophets and messengers, meaning they come straight After the Prophets and messengers in rank in paradise and they are also the Masters of the youth meaning al Hassan wal Hussein (RAA).

Third Hadith:


قال : يا فاطمة ، ألا ترضين أن تكوني سيدة نساء المؤمنين ، أو سيدة نساء هذه الأمة

Aisha (RA) narrated: The Prophet PBUH said: O Fatima, do you not accept to be head of the believing women OR he said: do you not accept to be head of the women of this nation.
source: Sahih al Bukhari.

This Hadith states that Fatima bint Rassul Allah PBUH is the head of the women of Paradise but we all know that Mariam the mother of Isa PBUH is also the head of the women of paradise and the greatest woman.

Allah says regarding Mariam PBUH in his book:

(And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds.) [3:42]

This is because what is actually meant by the Hadith is that Fatima (RA) is the head of the women of paradise from amongst the believing women of her time the same as the two above narrations.

This explanation is also backed by the Authentic Hadiths, we state some of them:


وقال : إنك سيدة نساء أهل الجنة إلا ما كان من البتول مريم بنت عمران ، فضحكت لذلك
Fatima (RA) narrated: The Prophet PBUH said to me: You are the head of the women of paradise except the batoul Mariam bint Imran, So I laughed.
source: Al Bayhaqi in Dala'el al Nubuwwah 7/166.
grading: SAHIH.

in another:

سيدة نساء أهل الجنة بعد مريم بنت عمران فاطمة [ بنت محمد ] وخديجة ، وآسية امرأة فرعون .
Abdullah ibn Abbas (RA) narrated: The prophet PBUH said: The head of the women of paradise after Mariam bint Imran is Fatima (Bint Muhammad) and Khadijah and Asiyah the wife of Pharaoh.
source: Ibn AbdulBarr in al Istee'ab 4/383.
grading: SAHIH.

in another:

عن عائشة أنها قالت لفاطمة أرأيت حين أكببت على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فبكيت ثم ضحكت قالت أخبرني أنه ميت من وجعه هذا فبكيت ثم أكببت عليه فأخبرني أني أسرع أهله لحوقا به وإني سيدة نساء أهل الجنة إلا مريم بنت عمران فضحكت
Aisha (RA) narrated that Fatima (RA) told her: Did you see when I cried near the Prophet PBUH then laughed? Aisha said: tell me, Fatima said: He told me he will die from this pain so I cried then he told me I will be the first from his ahlulbayt to follow him and that I am the head of the women of paradise except Mariam bint Imran so I laughed.
source: Ibn Katheer in al bidayah wal Nihayah 2/56.
grading: The origin is in the Sahih and the Isnad is on the condition of Muslim.

in another:

فاطمة سيدة نساء أهل الجنة، إلا مريم بنت عمران
Abu Sa'eed al Khudri (RA) narrated: Fatima (RA) is the head of the women of paradise except for Mariam bint Imran.
source: Suyuti in al Jami'i al Saghir 5835.
grading: SAHIH.


Inchallah this clarifies all of these Authentic Sahih narrations,

Wal Salam Aleykum,

[TripolySunni]

السلام عليكم

The Shia always make a big deal of the companion Abu Huraira (RA) narrating 1,500 Hadiths from the prophet PBUH and they say that this number is huge (According to them of course) and thus they must be all lies as a result of this but I was reading this important Shia book written by one of their top Scholars and they are talking about those "trustworthy" companions of their Imams and they mention:


وكان من بين أصحاب ( الامام الصادق ) عليه السلام من فقهاء الكوفة : ( أبان بن تغلب بن رباح الكوفي ) نزيل كندة روى عنه عليه السلام ( 30000 ) حديثا .

Translation: And from the companions of Imam al Sadiq PBUH a Man who was a Faqih from the city of Kufah in Iraq, he is Abban bin Taghlub bin Rabah al Kufi and he narrated from al Sadiq 30,000 Hadiths.


ومنهم : ( محمد بن مسلم الكوفي ) روى عن ( الباقرين ) عليهما السلام ( 40000 ) حديثا

Translation: and amongst them was Muhammad bin Muslim al kufi who narrated from the two baqirs PBUT 40,000 Hadiths.

Source: Al Rawdah al bahhiyah by The First Shaheed Muhammad bin JamaluDeen al Makki al Amili & Al Shaheed al Thani, volume 1 page 33.


الروضة البهية في
(شرح اللمعة)
للشهيد السعيد
محمد بن جمال الدين مكي العاملي (الشهيد الأول) قدس سره

[TripolySunni]

Salam Aleykum,

New well formatted academic article by the "sunnidefense" team:

23 - Ibn A`tham al-Kūfī and his Tārīkh (http://www.sunnidefense.com/exp/content/23-ibn-atham-al-k%C5%ABf%C4%AB-and-his-t%C4%81r%C4%ABkh)

[wellwisher]

Assalamalaikum akhe, can you please let me know that what is view of shia scholars regarding ibn hadeed( the mutazili who wrote sharh of nahjul balagha). was he praised or criticized? I read in the book of allama ehsan elahi zaheer that ;(that al hilli took his narrations) in it was mentioned in the book الكنى والألقاب vol 1 page 185 , and that al-Qummi outlines(in the book mentioned) the staunch and fanatical Shia background of Ibn Abi Al-Hadid in al-Madain. (i.e first he became a ghali shia(i guess he wrote sharh nahjul balagha during that time) later converted to Mutazzalite.

[TripolySunni]

Salam Aleykum,

More Hadiths about the companions:


نعم الرجل أبو بكر ، نعم الرجل عمر ، نعم الرجل أبو عبيدة بن الجراح


The Prophet PBUH said: The best of men is Abu Bakr, The best of men is Umar, the best of men is Abu Ubaidah bin al Jarrah.

Other version:


نعم الرجل أبو بكر نعم الرجل عمر نعم الرجل أبو عبيدة بن الجراح نعم الرجل أسيد بن حضير نعم الرجل ثابت بن قيس بن شماس نعم الرجل معاذ بن عمرو بن الجموح


The Prophet PBUH said: The best of men is Abu Bakr, the best of men is Umar, the best of men is Abu Ubaidah bin al Jarrah, the best of men is Asîd ibn Hadir, the best of men is Thabit bin Qays, the best of men is Qays bin Shamas, the best of men is Mu'ath bin Amro bin al jumouh.


sources:

- Ibn Asakir said Mahfouz in Tareekh Dimashq 25/469
- Nawawi said Isnad is Sahih in Tahtheeb al Asmaa wal Lughat 2/99
- Ibn Katheer said Isnad is on the condition of Muslim in al Bidaya wal Nihaya 5/296
- al-Thahabi said a good Isnad in Siyar A'ala al Nubalaa 1/341
- Tirmithi said good in his Sunan #3795
- al-Albani said Sahih on the condition of Muslim in al Silsilah al Sahiha 2/534
- al-Wadi'ee said good in Sahih al Musnad #1309


عن عمر قال إن أدركني أجلي وأبو عبيدة حي استخلفته فإن أدركني أجلي وقد مات أبو عبيدة استخلفت معاذ بن جبل


Umar bin al Khattab said: If my time comes and Abu Ubaidah is alive I would nominate him (for Caliphate) and if my time comes and he had died then I would nominate Mu'ath bin Jabal (for Calphate).

sources:

- Ibn Hajar al Asqalani said the narrators are trustworthy in Fath al Bari 13/127
- Muhammad al Ameen al Shanqiti said narrators are trustworthy in Adwaa al Bayan 1/74


لا يجتمع حب هؤلاء الأربعة إلا في قلب مؤمن: أبو بكر وعمر وعثمان وعلي رضي الله عنهما
الراوي: أبو هريرة المحدث: البوصيري - المصدر: إتحاف الخيرة المهرة - الصفحة أو الرقم: 7/159


The Prophet PBUH said: The love of all four will not be found except in the heart of a believer: Abu Bakr and Umar and Uthman and Ali.

source: al-Bouweisiri said narrators are trustworthy in al-Ithaf 7/159

salam

[TripolySunni]

Salamu Aleykum,

More Hadiths about the companions:


الخلافة بعدي ثلاثون سنة ، ثم يكون ملكا ثم قال : أمسك : خلافة أبي بكر سنتان ، وعمر عشر ، وعثمان اثنتا عشر ، وعلي ست

Safeena the servant of the Prophet PBUH narrated from him PBUH that he said: "Caliphate after me is thirty years then kingship", He stopped here: The Caliphate of Abu Bakr was two, Umar was ten, Uthman was twelve and Ali six.

source: Imam Ahmad said Sahih in Jami'i Bayan al 'Ilm 2/1169.


أنه كان يصلي الجمعة بأذان وإقامة لا يؤذن لها إلا إذا قعد على المنبر ، وكذلك كان الأمر على عهد أبي بكر وعمر ، فلما كان في أثناء خلافة عثمان كثر الناس ، فأمر بالنداء الثالث على دار قريبة من المسجد من جهة المشرق يقال لها الزوراء


The Prophet PBUH used to pray the Friday with an Azan(Call to prayer) then an Iqamah after he sits in the Mimbar, This was the case during the days of Abu Bakr and Umar but during the days of Uthman the people became too many so he ordered the third call to prayer from the top of a house near the mosque from the direction of the east called Dar al Zuraa.

source: Ibn Tayymiyah said Mutawatir in al Jawab al Sahih 6/368



عن عبد الله بن عمر قال كنا نقول في عهد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أبو بكر و عمر وعثمان يعني في الخلافة

Abdullah Ibn Umar (ra) said: During the days of the prophet PBUH we used to say Abu Bakr and Umar and Uthman, meaning when it came to Caliphate.

source: Ibn Katheer said Sahih on the condition of the two Sheikhs (bukhari/Muslim) in al bidayah wal nihayah 7/216


إن لي وزيرين من أهل السماء، و وزيرين من أهل الأرض، فوزيراي من أهل السماء جبريل و ميكائيل، و وزيراي من أهل الأرض أبو بكر و عمر

Ibn Abbas (ra) and Abu Sa'eed al Khudri (ra) both narrated: The Prophet PBUH said: I have two viziers from the people of the sky and two viziers from the people of the earth, those from the sky are Jibreel and Michaeel, those of the earth are Abu Bakr and Umar.

source: al-Suyuti said Sahih in al Jami'i al Sagheer 2438



إن أهل الدرجات العلى يراهم من هو أسفل منهم كما ترون الكوكب الطالع في أفق السماء، و إن أبا بكر و عمر منهم و أنعما
أبو سعيد الخدري و جابر بن سمرة و عبدالله بن عمرو بن العاص و أبو هريرة

Abu Sa'eed al Khudri, Jabir bin Samura, Abdullah ibn Amro bin al Asi and Abu Huraira may Allah be pleased with them narrated: The Prophet PBUH said: The people of high rank are seen by those lower than them like you see the rising planet in the sky, and Abu Bakr and Umar are among them and even more (In Virtue).

source: al-Suyuti said Sahih in al Jami'i al Sagheer 2231


أبو بكر و عمر من هذا الدين ، كمنزلة السمع و البصر من الرأس

Jabir bin Abdullah and Abdullah bin Huntab bin al Harith (raa) narrated: The Prophet PBUH said: In this religion Abu Bakr and Umar are of the importance of hearing and seeing in the head.

source: al-Albani said Narrators are Trustworthy Hadith is Sahih in al Silsilah al Sahiha 814 & 815.


لا يبقين في المسجد باب إلا سد ، إلا باب أبي بكر .

Abdullah Ibn Mas'oud (ra) narrated: The Prophet PBUH said: Leave no door in the mosque until it is closed except for the door of Abu Bakr.

source: SAHIH al Bukhari.

Comment: And this is the door of Abu bakr (ra) in the mosque still open, it is called "al Khawkhah".

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Note: King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz of Saudi recently opened the door of Ali (ra) in the recent expansion of the mosque although it was closed even during the rule of the Ubaidi Shia over Hijaz which lasted 100 years.

السلام عليكم و رحمة الله

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Did the Prophet PBUH appoint Twelve Imams?

السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته

Firstly let us introduce the Shia historian and expert on the different shia sects as we will be relying on his history book to find out whether the Prophet PBUH appointed the Twelve Imams of the Shia or if the Shia just picked their own Imams based on their desires without a religious text.
The Ancient Shiite Historian Abu Muhammad, Al Hassan bin Musa bin Al Hassan al Nawbakhti who was born in the 3rd century Hijri, writes in his Shia History book called “Firaq al Shia” about the various Shiite teams and sects and tribes during the life of the 11 Imams.

Here is what the Shia Scholars say about him:


1ـ قال الشيخ النجاشي في رجاله : ( شيخنا المتكلّم ، المبرّز على نظرائه في زمانه قبل الثلاثمائة وبعدها ، له على الأوائل كتب كثيرة … ) .

Sheikh al Najashi says in his book of Rijal above that al Nawbakhti is the Sheikh of the Shia and a the rare speculative theologian .


2ـ قال الشيخ عباس القمّي في الكنى والألقاب : ( متكلّم فيلسوف من أعاظم متكلّمي الإمامية ، وكان يجتمع إليه جماعة من نقلة كتب الفلسفة … ) .

Sheikh Abbas al Qummi in his “Al Kuna wal Alqab” says that he is an outspoken philosopher of the Imami Shia.


ـ قال السيّد ابن طاووس في فرج المهموم : ( وكان الحسن بن موسى أبو محمّد النوبختي عارفاً بعلم النجوم ،3 وقدوة في تلك العلوم ، وصنّف كتاباً استدرك فيه على أبي علي الجبائي لمّا رد على المنجّمين )

Sayyed Ibn Tawoos says in “Faraj al Mahmoum” that Al Hassan bin Musa al Nawbakhti is a scientist in astrology and an example to others in that field.


وقال الطوسى : أبو محمد، متكلم ، فيلسوف ، وكان إماميا (شيعيا) حسن الاعتقاد ثقة . . . وهو من معالم العلماء ( فهرست الطوسي” ص 98 ط الهند 1835م ).

Al Tusi Says in his “Fehrest” Page 98, India Print 1835: Abu Muhammad, outspoken philosopher and he was an Imami Shia with sound beliefs and is trustworthy…He is a landmark amongst scholars.


ويقول نور الله التستري : الحسن بن موسى من أكابر هذه الطائفة وعلماء هذه السلالة، وكان متكلما، فيلسوفا، إمامي الاعتقاد. انظر “مجالس المؤمنين للتستري ص 77 ط إيران نقلا عن مقدمة الكتاب .

Shia Scholar Nourullah al Testeri: Al Hassan Bin Musa one of the biggest scholars of the sect, he was an outspoken Philosopher with Imami belief. (From Majalis al mumineen for al Testeri P77, Print Iran quoted from the Intro of the book).

Refer to these shia websites for more on him:

http://www[dot]al-khoei[dot]us/books/index.php?id=7315
http://www[dot]al-shia[dot]org/html/ara/ola/?mod=rezvan&id=302

(remove "[dot]" in links)

The Twelver Shia sect claims That the Prophet PBUH told us that Allah divinely appointed twelve infallible Imams and that we must follow them and that he who denies even one of them will be amongst the misguided on the day of judgment and that he said: “He who does not know the Imam of his time will die a death of ignorance(Jahiliyyah)” thus ending up in hellfire if he denies even one of the twelve according to the shia. They attributed several narrations to their Imams and to the Prophet PBUH directly and I state just a few samples:



ليلة أسري بي إلى السماء أوحى الله إليَّ أن سَلْ من أرسلنا من قبلك من رسلنا على ما بعثوا؟ قلت: على ما بعثتم؟
قالوا: على نبوتك، وولاية علي بن أبي طالب، والأئمة منكما، ثم أوحى إليَّ أن التفت عن يمين العرش، فالتفت فإذا علي، والحسن، والحسين، وعلي بن الحسين، ومحمد بن علي، وجعفر بن محمد، وموسى بن جعفر، وعلي بن موسى، ومحمد بن علي، وعلي بن محمد، والحسن بن علي، والمهدي في ضحضاح من نور يصلون

Shiites claim that The Prophet PBUH said: On the night when I was raised to the sky, Allah sent his revelation to me that I must ask those who came before me(previous prophets) for what purpose they were sent? They(the prophets) replied to me: To tell of your Prophet-hood and of the Wilayah(leadership) of Ali bin abi Talib and the Imams from you. Then revelation came to me that I must look to the left of the Throne so I looked and saw Ali and Hassan and Hussein and Ali bin al Hussein and Muhammad bin Ali and Ja’afar bin Muhammad and Musa bin Ja’afar and Ali bin Musa and Muhammad bin Ali and Ali bin Muhammad and al Hassan bin Ali and the Mahdi in a glowing light as they pray.

Shia sources: Ithbat al Hudat (1/652) by Muhammad bin al Hassan al Hurr al Amili, Muntakhab al Athar page 112 by Lutfullah al Safi, Bihar al Anwar (15/247) (18/297) (26/301) (27/200) (36/216) by Muhammad Baqir al Majlisi.


يا محمد، لو أن عبداً عبدني حتى ينقطع ويصير كالشن البالي، ثم أتاني جاحداً لولايتهم ما أسكنته جنتي، ولا أظللته تحت عرشي.
يا محمد، أتحب أن تراهم؟ قال: نعم يا رب، فقال عز وجل: ارفع رأسك، فرفعت رأسي، فإذا أنوار علي، وفاطمة، والحسن، والحسين، وعلي بن الحسين، ومحمد بن الحسين، وجعفر بن محمد، وموسى بن جعفر، وعلي بن موسى، ومحمد بن علي، وعلي بن محمد، والحسن بن علي، ومحمد بن الحسن القائم في وسطهم كأنه كوكب دري، فقلت: يا رب، من هؤلاء؟ فقال: هؤلاء الأئمة، وهذا القائم الذي يشفي قلوب شيعتك من الظالمين والجاحدين والكافرين

The Shia claim in this narration that Allah is speaking to the Prophet PBUH: O Muhammad if one of my servants worshiped me so much exhausting himself until he became old and then on the day of judgment came to me after denying the Wilayah(Leadership) of the Imams I would not let him into my heaven nor would I shade him under my throne.

The Lord said: O Muhammad would you like to see them? I said: yes O lord, Then the Almighty said: raise your head, so I raised my head only to see the lights of Ali and Fatima and Hassan and Hussein and Ali bin al Hussein and Muhammad bin Ali and Ja’afar bin Muhammad and Musa bin Ja’afar and Ali bin Musa and Muhammad bin Ali and Ali bin Muhammad and al Hassan bin Ali and in the middle of them was Muhammad bin al Hassan al Qa’em(Mahdi) as if he was a shining planet, I said: O Lord, who are they? He said: These are the Imams and this is al Qa’em who shall cure the hearts of your Shia from the oppressors and the deniers and the kouffar.

Shia sources: ‘Uyoun Akhbar al Reda 1/61 by Muhammad bin Ali bin Hussein bin Babaweih al Qummi al Saduq, Kamal al Deen page 240 by Muhammad bin Ali bin Hussein bin Babaweih al Qummi al Saduq, Ghaybat al Tusi page 103 by Sheikh of the shia sect Muhammad bin Ja’afar al Tusi, Ithbat al hudat (1/476,549,579), Bihar al Anwar (36/216,245,262,280), Ghaybat al Nu’umani page 45 by Muhammad bin Ibrahim bin Ja’afar al Nu’umani, Muntakhab al Athar pages 104,110,119.


وعن جابر بن عبدالله الأنصاري رضي الله عنه قال: لما أنزل الله على نبيه صلى الله عليه وسلم: ((يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَأُوْلِي الأَمْرِ مِنْكُمْ)) [النساء:59] فقلت: يا رسول الله، عرفنا الله ورسوله، فمن أولوا الأمر الذين قرن الله طاعتهم بطاعتك؟
قال: هم خلفائي يا جابر، أئمة المسلمين بعدي، أولهم: علي بن أبي طالب، ثم الحسن، ثم الحسين، ثم علي بن الحسين، ثم محمد بن علي المعروف في التوراة بالباقر، وستدركه يا جابر، فإذا أدركته فأقرئه مني السلام، ثم الصادق جعفر بن محمد، ثم موسى بن جعفر، ثم علي بن موسى، ثم محمد بن علي، ثم علي بن محمد، ثم الحسن بن علي، ثم سميي وكنيتي حجة الله على أرضه، وبقيته في عباده، ابن الحسن بن علي

The Shia also attribute to the Prophet PBUH: Jabir bin Abdullah al Ansari said: When Allah revealed these verses “O you who believe Obey Allah and Obey the Messenger and those of you who are in authority” [Nisa’a:59] I said: O Apostle of Allah we know Allah and we know his messenger so who are those of us who are in authority?

He PBUH said: They are my successors O Jabir and the Imams of the Muslims after me, the first among them is Ali bin abi Talib then al Hassan then al Hussein then Ali bin al Hussein then Muhammad bin Ali then Ja’afar bin Muhammad then Musa bin Ja’afar then Ali bin Musa then Muhammad bin Ali then Ali bin Muhammad then al Hassan bin Ali then he who is named after me and his Kuniyah is like mine the Hujjah of Allah on his earth and the rest of Allah in his slaves the Son of Hassan bin Ali.

Shia sources: Kamal al Deen page 241, Ithbat al hudat (1/501)(665), Muntakhab al Athar page 101, Bihar al Anwar (23/289) (36/250), Manaqib Alu Abi Talib (1/282) by Muhammad bin Ali bin Shahr-Ashoub al Mazandarani, Tafseer Noor al Thaqalayn (1/499) by Abd Ali al Huwayzi.


وعن عائشة رضي الله عنها، عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: إن جبرئيل أخبره أن الأمة تقتل الحسين وينتقم الله منهم بقائمكم أهل البيت، فقال: ومن قائمنا أهل البيت؟ فقال: هو التاسع من ولد الحسين، كذا أخبرني ربي أنه سيخلق من صلب الحسين ولداً وسماه عنده علياً، ثم يخرج من صلب علي ابنه، وسماه عنده محمداً، ثم يخرج من صلب محمد ابنه وسماه عنده جعفراً، ثم يخرج من صلبه ابنه وسمَّاه عنده موسى، ويخرج من صلبه ابنه وسمَّاه عنده علياً، ويخرج من صلبه ابنه وسماه عنده محمداً، ويخرج من صلبه ابنه وسماه عنده علياً، ثم يخرج من صلبه ابنه وسماه عنده الحسن، ويخرج من صلبه كلمة الحق، ولسان الصدق، ومظهر الحق، وحجة الله على بريته

They Also attribute to Aisha (RA) that the Prophet PBUH told her: Gabriel told me that the Nation will kill Hussein and Allah will extract revenge on the nation by the Qa’em(Mahdi) of Ahlul-bayt, He said: Who is our Qa’em of Ahlul-bayt? The Prophet PBUH replied: He is the ninth from the children of Hussein, My Lord told me that he will bring from Hussein a boy whom he called Ali, then he brings a boy from Ali whom he called Muhammad, then brings from him a boy whom he calls Ja’afar, then he brings from him a boy whom he calls Musa, then he brings from him a boy whom he calls Ali, then he brings from him a boy whom he calls Muhammad, then he brings from him a boy whom he calls Ali, then he brings from him a boy whom he calls Hassan, then he brings from Hassan a word of truth and an honest tongue and the Hujjah of Allah on his creations.

Shia Sources: Kifayat al Athar ‘ala al Aimmah al ithna Ashar page 25 by Ali bin Muhammad bin Ali al Razi al Qummi, Ithbat al hudat 1/596, Bihar al Anwar 36/348, Muntakhab al Athar page 106.


وعن الباقر قال: إن الله لما خلق إبراهيم كشف لـه عن بصره، فرأى نوراً إلى جنب العرش، فقال: يا رب، ما هذا النور؟ فقيل له: هذا نور علي بن أبي طالب، ورأى إلى جنبه ثلاثة أنوار، فقال: إلهي، وما هذه الأنوار؟ فقال: هذا نور فاطمة وولديها الحسن والحسين، فقال: إلهي، وأرى تسعة أنوار قد حفوا بهم، قيل: يا إبراهيم، هؤلاء الأئمة من ولد علي وفاطمة، فقال إبراهيم: إلهي، بحق هؤلاء الخمسة من هؤلاء التسعة؟ فقيل: يا إبراهيم، أولهم: علي بن الحسين، وابنه محمد، وابنه جعفر، وابنه موسى، وابنه علي، وابنه محمد، وابنه علي، وابنه الحسن، والحجة القائم ابنه

The Shia even attributed to Prophet Ibrahim PBUH this: Imam al Baqir said: When Allah created Ibrahim he unveiled his vision so he saw a light next to the throne then said: O Lord what is this light? It was said to him: this is the light of Ali bin abi Talib, then he saw three other lights next to it so he asked: O my God what are these three lights? He said: This is the light of Fatima and next to her are her children Hassan and Hussein, then after spotting nine other lights he asked: O my God I see nine others, He said to him: O Ibrahim these are the Imams from the progeny of Ali and Fatima, Ibrahim said: O my God by the truth of those five who are these other nine? It was said to him: O Ibrahim the first is Ali bin al Hussein and his on Muhammad and his son Ja’afar and his son Musa and his son Ali and his son Muhammad and his son Ali and his son Hassan and his son the Hujjah al Qa’em.

Shia sources: Taaweel al Ayat al Zahira 2/496 by Sharaf al Deen Ali al Husseini al Istrabadi al Najafi, Al Rawdah page 33, al Fadael page 166, Ithbat al hudat (1/646,523), Bihar al Anwar (36/151,213) (85/80), Muntakhab al Athar pages 116,138, Al Burhan fi tafseer al Quran 4/20 by Hashim al Bahrani, al Mustadrak 4/187.


: لما عرج بي إلى السماء رأيت على ساق العرش مكتوباً: لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله، أيدته بعلي ونصرته به، ورأيت اثني عشر اسماً مكتوباً بالنور، فيهم: علي بن أبي طالب وسبطاي، وبعدهما تسعة أسامي: علياً علياً علياً ثلاث مرات، ومحمد محمد مرتين، وجعفر، وموسى، والحسن، والحجة يتلألأ من بينهم، فقلت: يا رب، أسامي من هؤلاء؟ فناداني ربي جل جلاله: يا محمد، هم الأوصياء من ذريتك، بهم أثيب وبهم أعاقب

They also attributed to the Prophet PBUH: When Allah raised me to the sky I saw on the foot of the throne was written: “No God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger I aided and supported him by Ali” Then I saw twelve names written in light: Ali bin Abi Talib and my two Sabtyan (Hassan & Hussein) then after them were nine names: Ali Ali Ali three times and Muhammad Muhammad twice and Ja’afar and Musa and al Hujjah was flickering between them. I said: O Lord whose names are these? Then Allah called to me: O Muhammad these are the Awsiya (Successors) from your progeny, by them I reward and by them I punish.

Shia sources: Kifayat al Athar pages 10,14,18, Ithbat al Hudat (1/580,584,586,588,590,595,598,601) Bihar al Anwar (36/310,321,325,332,390), Manaqib Alu Abi Talib 1/210, Muntakhab al Athar pages 104,106,107,122.

And many other similar narrations which need volumes to cover and they attributed it all to the Prophet PBUH and the Imams. The point of this article is to show the truth of this matter, did the Prophet PBUH really appoint these twelve whom the Twelver Shia of today believe in OR were all of these lies falsely attributed to the pious Imams of ahlul-bayt? History will show.

I have selected critical periods in the history of the Shia sects, mainly when their Imams die then briefly translated them for you to read from sources considered extremely trustworthy by Shia scholars themselves.

NOTE: article shall not discuss:

1- The first Imams whom the Shia followed such as al-Hussein and Muhammad Ibn al Hanafiyah and Ali Zain al Abideen and Zaid bin Ali bin al-Hussein…

2- Shia sects such as the Zaidiyyah or Ismailiyyah and Alawiyyah/Nusayri and Alevis and Mufawwidah ect…

3- Different teams within the Twelvers like Usooli and Akhbari and Sheikhiyyah.

4- Al Mahdi.

1- The Shia after the death of Imam Abu Ja’afar Muhammad al Baqir (died 114 hijri):

The Shia of Imam Muhammad bin Ali were divided:

NOTE: (I will quote almost word for word from early shia sources).

When Abu Ja’afar passed away his Shia split into two major groups, a group believed in the Imamah of Muhammad bin Abdullah bin al Hassan bin al Hassan bin Ali bin Abi Talib who had rebelled in Madinah against the rulers and was killed as a result, they claimed he was al Qa’em al Mahdi and that he was not killed. They said: “He is alive not dead and he lives in a mountain called al ‘Alamiyah” (This is the mountain on the road of Mecca and Najd al Hijaz on the left of the road as you go to Mecca) it is the big mountain and he lives in it until his time to rise comes because the Prophet PBUH said: Al Qa’em al Mahdi his name is like mine and his father’s name is like my father’s name. His brother Ibrahim bin Abdullah bin al Hassan bi al Hassan bin Ali bin abi Talib had came out in the city of al-Basarah calling the people to give his brother Baya’ah(Allegiance) so that he may become their Caliph, he received much support and grew in strength so the Caliph of that time “Al Mansour” had sent the riders to fight him and they killed him after many wars. From those shia who adopted this opinion was al Mugheera bin Sa’eed after the death of al Baqir so the shia of Abu Abdullah Ja’afar bin Muhammad rejected him and disaffiliated themselves from him, as a result he labeled them as Rafidha (rejectionists) and claimed that he was the one who gave them this name. The companions of Mugheera appointed him as their Imam and claimed that al-Hussein bin Ali had pointed to his Imamah then Ali bin al Hussein pointed to his Imamah and finally Muhammad bin Ali pointed to his Imamah so he is the Imam until the Mahdi rises. They denied the Imamah of Abu Abdullah Ja’afar bin Muhammad and said: There shall be no Imam in the children of Ali bin abi Talib after Abu Ja’afar Muhammad al Baqir and that the Imam is al Mugheera until the Mahdi Muhammad bin Abdullah bin al Hassan bin al Hassan bin Ali returns from his occultation. This shia group was called al Mugheeriyyah after al Mugheera bin Sa’eed the Mawla (servant) of Khalid bin Abdullah al Qassri. In the end he started claiming that he was a Prophet and that he receives revelation from Gabriel. Al Qassiri later asked him about this and he confessed then al Qassri told him to repent but he didn’t thus he was killed and crucified. He also used to claim he is capable of raising the dead and he believed in “Tanasukh” and so did his followers until this day.

As for the other group from al Baqir’s companions they said in the Imamah of Ja’afar bin Muhammad al Sadiq but only a minor group from the companions of Ja’afar remained on this belief during his life because when Ja’afar bin Muhammad pointed to the Imamah of his son Ismael who died during his father’s life then they stopped believing in his Imamah while saying: “He lied to us and he wasn’t an Imam; because the Imam does not lie and say things that will not come true” and they blamed Ja’afar after attributing to him the saying: “Allah had Badaa in the Imamah of Ismael” (Badaa is a Shia belief meaning it appeared to Allah that Ismael was the Imam but he wasn’t) So they denied the belief in Badaa which they claimed Ja’afar attributed to Allah and said: “This saying is Batil and impermissible”. They leaned towards the opinion of the group called the Batriyyah and the sayings of Suleiman bin Jarir who told his companions: “The Sheikhs/scholars of the Rafidha(Shia) placed two sayings for their followers(Shia) which would never make them appear as liars if they attribute anything to the Imams, they are:

1- The saying of Badaa: (for example they attribute to an Imam the saying: “the Imam al Mahdi shall appear in 50 years” and when it does not happen they tell their followers that it had appeared to Allah as so but he changed his decision because the people were too evil, IF what they say does indeed happen then they boast about their knowledge).

2- The saying of Taqqiyah: (for example the shia scholars tell their followers that the Imams hate the companions and when the shia meet this Imam and ask him he praises the companions so the scholars tell the followers he did so out of taqqiyah. This is because the Shia ask their scholars many questions over the years and they wrote down what they answered but the scholars forget what their answer was so they give different answers to the same question and they use the Taqqiyah of the Imams as an excuse).

So when can it be known that these shia scholars are lying? And how can truth be distinguished from falsehood?

Source: Firaq al Shia 62-66.

This reminds us of what the big shia scholar said regarding taqqiyah:


صاحب الحدائق في التقية حيث ذكر: فلم يعلم من أحكام الدين على اليقين إلا القليل؛ لامتزاج أخباره بأخبار التقية

Translation: “Not much was known for sure from the rulings of the religion because their narrations were mixed with the narrations of Taqqiyah”.

In another place he also said:


قال: فإن جُلَّ الاختلاف في أخبارنا بل كله عند التأمل والتحقيق إنما نشأ من التقية

Translation: “The majority of contradictions in our narrations after observation and research or even all of the contradictions originate from Taqqiyah.”

Source: al-Hadaeq al Nadirah by Yusuf al Bahrani 1/5,8.

The biggest scholar of the Shia sect “Shaykh al taefa” al TUSI says:


لا يكاد يتفق خبر إلا وبإزائه ما يضاده، ولا يسلم حديث إلا وفي مقابله ما ينافيه.. إلى أن ذكر أنه وبسبب ذلك ترك الكثير من الشيعة مذهبهم

Translation: “There is no information that we agree on which doesn’t have another that contradicts it, and no narration is safe from another which denies it …(until he said)… and this is why many of the shia left the Madhab.”

Source: Tahtheeb al Ahkam 1/8 by sheikh of the sect al Tusi.


2- The Shia after the death of Imam Abu Abdullah Ja'afar al-Sadiq (died 148 hijri):

The Shia of Imam Ja’afar bin Muhammad split to various groups:

A group said: Ja'afar bin Muhammad is alive he does not die until the one responsible for the affairs of the people appears, they said that he was al Mahdi and they narrated from him that he said: "If you see my head roll from atop a mountain then do not believe this for I am the ONE" and that he said to them: "If one comes to you saying that he stood by me in my illness then washed me then put a shroud(Kafan) over my body then do not believe him For I am your companion(Mahdi) the possessor of the sword." This team was called al-Nawoosiyah.

A group said that the Imam after Ja'afar bin Muhammad is his son Ismael bin Ja'afar, they denied the death of Ismael in the life of his father, they said: "His father did this just to confuse the enemies, he feared from them so he hid his son in occultation". They said that Ismael will not die until he rules the earth and the affairs of the people and that he is al Qa'em; because his father has pointed to him as the succeeding Imam and told them that he was their companion and the Imam can only say the truth and when his death came we knew that he was truthful and that he was al Qa'em and that he never died. This team is called al-Ismailiyah.

A group said that the Imam after al Sadiq was Muhammad bin Ismael bin Ja'afar, they said: The matter (Of Imamah) was given to Ismael in the life of his father but when he died before his father al Sadiq made this affair with his son Muhammad bin Ismael and the right was his and it is impremissible for anyone else to claim it; because the Imamah cannot be transferred from one brother to the other after al Hassan and al Hussein and it must be in the progeny. His two brothers Abdullah and Musa have no right to it just like Muhammad Ibn al Hanafiyah had no right in the time of Ali Zain al Abideen bin al Hussein. This team was called al-Mubarakiyah.

A group said: "The Imam after al Sadiq is Muhammad bin Ja'afar" and they were called al-Sumtiyyah.

A group said: The Imamah after Ja'afar was in his son Abdullah ibn Ja'afar who was known as "Al Aftah", this was because he was the eldest son after the death of al Sadiq and he used to always sit in the Majlis(Gatherings) of his father and because he claimed this matter as it was in the will of his father. This team was called al-Fathiyyah.
The majority of the Sheikhs and scholars of jurisprudence of the Shia were of the opinion of this team and they never doubted that the Imamah was given to Abdullah bin Ja'afar until he died and never left a son to succeed him so the majority of the Fathiyyah turned back from the belief that he was the Imam.

A group said that the Imamah belonged to Musa after his father and they denied the Imamah of Abdullah and they found fault in him for sitting in the Majlis of his father and his claim of the Imamah...

As well as other teams and then these teams split into other teams as well.

Sources: look for details of each team in the book “Firaq al Shia” Pages 66-79 by Al Hassan bin Musa Abu Muhammad al Nawbakhti, also in the books al Fusoul al Mukhtarah Pages 247-253 by Muhammad bin Muhammad bin al Nu'uman known as al Mufid, Bihar al Anwar 47/258 by Muhammad Baqir al Majlisi.


3- The Shia after the death of Imam Musa bin Ja'afar al-Kathim (died 183 hijri):

The Shia of Imam Musa bin Ja’afar split to various groups:

A group said that he passed away in the prison of al Sindhi bin Hashik and that Yahya bin Khaled al Barmaki has poisoned him in some dates and grapes he sent him and that the Imam after him is Ali al Reda. This team is called al Qat’iyah because they passed his death to the Imamah of al Reda.

A group said that Musa al Kathim did not die and that he is alive and will never die until he rules the east of this earth and its west and fill it with justice like it was filled with oppression and that he is al Qa’em al Mahdi, they claimed that he left the prison and no one saw him on that day neither did they know about him, they said that the Sultan and his comrades only claimed his death as a diversion and they lied to the people, they said he was occluded from the people and he disappeared and they narrate narrations about this from his father al Sadiq that he said: “He(Musa) is al Qa’em al Mahdi and if his head fell down from atop a mountain do not believe this as he is al Qa’em.”

Some of those said: He is al Qa’em and he died, The Imamah is for no one other than him until his return then they claimed that he returned after his death but he has disappeared and is in occultation in some land and he is alive and that his companions(emissaries) meet up with him and see him, they used narrations from his father to prove this such as: “Al Qa’em is called a Qa’em because he makes Qiyam after he dies” (Qiyam meaning he rises after his death).

Others amongst them said: he has died and he is al Qa’em and he is like the prophet of Allah Isa bin Mariam PBUH, He will not return until his time when he shall fill the earth with justice as it was filled with oppression, they claimed that Allah said: “He has a likeness to isa bin Mariam and he will die by the hands of the children of bani al-Abbas” he died and some of them denied his death saying: “He died and Allah raised him to himself and he shall return him in the time of his Qiyam”. All of these teams were called al-Waqifah because they made Wuquf(meaning they stopped) at Musa bin Ja’afar and claimed that he was the Mahdi, they never took an Imam after him and never passed from his Imamah to the others after him, some of those who had claimed that he was alive said: “Al Reda and those who raised after him are not Imams but they are Caliphs one after the other until the time when He(Musa) shall rise again.”

A group said: We do not know whether he is alive or dead because we narrated a lot of narrations that state that he was al Qa’em al Mahdi and it is impermissible to say they were lies, we have also received the news of the death of his father and grandfathers before him and it is also impermissible to reject these famous clear narrations, death is truth and Allah does what he wills so we stopped from rejecting his death and confirming his life, they said: we are still following his Imamah and we will not accept another Imam until we verify the truthfulness of what he claims - they mean Ali bin Musa al Reda – If we find truth in his Imamah like the Imamah of his father before him with the proofs and the signs of the Imam in which he confirms it for himself and confirms his father’s death and not from news and narrations coming from those who claim to be his companions, then we will submit to him and believe him.

A group said: Musa bin Ja’afar did not die nor was he imprisoned, he is alive but in occultation(Ghaybah), He is al Mahdi and during his time in occultation he appointed Muhammad bin Basheer making him his Wasi(Successor) and gave him his ring and knowledge and everything his followers need, when he died his made his son Sami’i bin Muhamad bin Basheer the successor and he in turn will name his successor until the rising of al Kathim.

Sources: Firaq al Shia pages 79-85, al Fusoul al Mukhtarah page 254 and after it.

A group said: The Imam is Ahmad bin Musa al Kathim and that al Kathim made a Wasiyah(Will) to him and to al Reda and they made it permissible in two brothers, his father made him the Wasi(Successor) after Ali bin Musa.

Sources: Firaq al Shia (85,87) & Bihar al Anwar (48/279) in footnotes (308).

And so did Ibrahim bin al Kathim who came out in Yemen and called the people to give Baya’ah(Give allegiance) to Muhammad bin Ibrahim TabaTaba, then after this he called the people again to give him the Baya’ah.

Sources: Bihar al Anwar (48/307).

This Ibrahim was from amongst those who denied the death of his father as the shia narrate from Bakr bin Saleh that he said: I said to Ibrahim bin abu al Hassan Musa bin Ja’afar: what say you about your father? He replied: He is alive, I said: what say you about your brother abu al Hassan? He said: trustworthy and honest, I said: But he says your father has passed away? He replied: He knows best what he says, I repeated what I said so he repeated his answer then I asked: did your father make Wasiyah(Appointing a successor)? He said: yes, I said: to whom? He said: to the five of us but made Ali above all of us.

Sources: Uyoun Akhbar al Reda (1/46) by Muhammad bin Ali bin Babaweih al Qummi, Ithbat al Hudat (3/239) by Muhammad bin al Hassan al Hurr al Amili, Bihar al Anwar (48/282)(49/22).

As for this Imamah it was narrated by the Shia from Yazid bin Sulayt al Zaidi that he said:


عن يزيد بن سليط الزيدي، أنه قال: لقيت موسى بن جعفر، فقلت: أخبرني عن الإمام بعدك بمثل ما أخبر به أبوك، قال: فقال: كان أبي في زمن ليس هذا مثله.
قال يزيد: فقلت: من يرضى منك بهذا فعليه لعنة الله، قال: فضحك، ثم قال: أخبرك يا أبا عمارة أني خرجت من منزلي فأوصيت في الظاهر إلى ابني، وأشركتهم مع علي ابني، وأفردته بوصيتي في الباطن، ولو كان الأمر إليّ لجعلته في القاسم ابني لحبي إياه ورأفتي عليه، ولكن ذلك إلى الله عز وجل يجعله حيث يشاء، وقد جاءني بخبره رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وجدي علي حيث قال لي: الأمر قد خرج منك إلى غيرك، فقلت: يا رسول الله، أرنيه أيهم هو؟ فقال رسول الله: ما رأيت من الأئمة أحداً أجزع على فراق هذا الأمر منك، ولو كانت الإمامة بالمحبة لكان إسماعيل أحب إلى أبيك منك، ولكن من الله

He said: I met Musa bin Ja’afar and told him: tell me about the Imam after you like your father did, al Kathim said: My father’s time is unlike my time, I said: If anyone accepts this(Answer) from you then may the curse of Allah befall them, al Kathim laughed and said: I tell you O Abu Amarah that I left home today after making Wasiyah apparently to my sons making them partners in this with my son Ali, in secret I had given only him the Wasiyah and if this were up to me I would have appointed my son al Qassim because of my extreme love for him but this is for Allah to decide. It had come to me with the news of the Prophet PBUH and my grandfather Ali bin abi talib who told me: this matter(Imamah) had been taken away from you and transferred to someone else, I asked: O prophet of Allah show me him? Which one of them(his sons) is he? The Prophet PBUH said: I never saw anyone who was more fearful from leaving this matter than you, if it were a matter of love then your father would have appointed Ismael instead of you but this is from Allah.

Sources: Uyoun Akhbar al Reda (1/34), al Kafi (1/313) by Muhammad bin Ya’aqoub al Kulayni, I’ilam al Wara p306 by al Fadl bin al Hassan al Tabrasi, Bihar al Anwar (11/49)(48/310), Ithbat al Hudat (3/230).

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4- The Shia after the death of Imam Ali bin Musa al Reda (died 203 hijri):

The Shia of Ali bin Musa split to a couple of groups among them:

A group believed in his Imamah and the Imamah and death of his father Musa but after al Reda died they went back to Waqf (meaning they went back to believing that Musa bin Ja’afar did not die and he is the Mahdi). This group is al Muallafah (المؤلفة).

A group was called al-Muhdathah (المحدثة، كانوا من أهل الإرجاء من أصحاب الحديث) from the people of Irjaa of the people of Hadith (Murjiaah) and they entered in the belief of Imamah of Musa bin Ja’afar and Ali bin Musa after him and they became shia for worldly gains but when al Reda died they left and went back to what they were before.

A group was amongst the strongest and most influential of the Zaidi Shia had accepted the Imamah of al Reda when they saw that he had really strong relations with the Abbasi Caliph al Maamoun, they joined only for worldly gains then left after the death of al Reda.

A group had accepted Ahmad bin Musa bin Ja’afar as their Imam.

Source: Firaq al Shia page 86 and after it, al Fusoul al Mukhtara page 256.

5- The Shia after the death of Imam Muhammad bin Ali al Jawad (died 220 hijri):

Some of his Shia disagreed on their next Imam:

His companions who stuck with him until the end followed his son and successor Muhammad bin Ali and some of them left him to say that his brother Musa bin Muhammad is the Imam and after a short time they rejected the Imamah of Musa and went back to the Imamah of his brother Ali who died shortly after.

Source: Firaq al Shia page 91.

6- The Shia after the death of Imam Ali al Hadi al Askari (died 254 hijri):

Some of the Shia of Ali bin Muhammad disagreed on who succeeds him:

A group of his companions believed in the Imamah of his son Muhammad who had died in his father’s life in “Sirr man Ra’ā” (The name of the Mahdi’s Sirdab) they claimed that he was alive and did not die, the proof was that they said his father had pointed to his Imamah and that the Imam is forbidden from lying and badaa is impermissible, even if it appeared that he died but in reality he did not die but his father feared for him so he sent him to occultation and he is al Qa’em al Mahdi. They said about him the same things which were said regarding Ismael bin Ja’afar, and the majority of Ali bin Muhammad’s companions went to the Imamah of his son Hassan bin Ali and proved the Imamah for him by his father’s will, he was called Abu Muhammad as his Kuniyah. A small group had leaned towards his brother Ja’afar bin Ali and they said: “His father appointed him by will after the passing of Muhammad and he showed that he must be obeyed and clarified his position”. They denied the Imamah of his brother Muhammad saying: “His father did this to protect him and the Imam in reality was Ja’afar bin Ali”.

Source: Firaq al Shia page 94.

7- The Shia after the death of Imam al-Hassan bin Ali al-Askari (died 260 hijri):

The Shia of Imam al Hassan bin Ali split to more than ten groups:

A group said that Al Hassan bin Ali al Askari did not die but he is in occultation and he is al Qa’em (Mahdi) and it is Haram to say he is dead because the earth will perish without an Imam, he also never had any children to succeed him.

A group said that he died and then came back to life and he is al Qa’em al Mahdi. He is the Qa’em because he died and was resurrected and he has no children and if he did have a child then he wouldn’t have been resurrected because the Imamah would have been transmitted to his child, he didn’t give wasiyah to anyone thus he is surely the Qa’em .

A group said Al Hassan bin Ali died and his successor is his brother Ja’afar whom he gave the wasiyah thus he is the Imam and his children after him.

A group said that Ja’afar was the Imam but his brother Hassan wasn’t an Imam nor was his bother Muhammad. Because Muhammad died during the life of his father and al Hassan died without a son and he was a liar who claimed Imamah. The Proof was that an Imam never passes away until he gives wasiyah to his successor thus al Hassan never had any children so his Imamah wasn’t correct, Also al Hassan & Ja’afar couldn’t be Imams at the same time because abu Abdullah said “No two brothers shall become imams at the same time after Hassan & Hussein” so Ja’afar took the wasiyah from his father not his brother.

A group said The Imamah goes to Muhamad Bin Ali who died in the time of his father and that Hassan and Ja’afar claimed what isn’t rightfully theirs and that their father never appointed or assigned any of them as Imams and especially Ja’afar who has extremely negative qualities which make him unfit to receive it. As for Hassan he died without a son and that is unacceptable in an Imam. We now know that Muhammad is the Imam and his father pointed to him clearly.

A group said that Al Hassan had a son who was born eight months after his death and all those who claimed he had a son during his life are liars because if he did then he wouldn’t hide this nor would his family and companions hide it nor would that be acceptable of an imam. His father in his wasiyah ordered to call him Muhammad and the proof of this is a narration from abu al Hassan al redah.

A group said There is no son for Hassan because we searched for this and asked for it but never found anything to point to his son. We cannot claim that he had a hidden son because then we could claim this for every dead Imam or we could even say that the prophet PBUH had another son who was a prophet but is hidden also we could say Abdullah bin Ja’afar had a hidden son and that abu al Hassan al redah had three sons other than abu Ja’afar and one of them was the Imam because the news of al hassan’s death without a son is like that of the prophet PBUh dying without a son from his own blood or Abdullah bin Ja’afar having a son or Abu al Hassan having four sons.

A group said the death of Al Hassan’s father and grandfather is true thus the news of his death Is also true and there is no Imam after him and there is possibility that the Imamah will end at some point as we hear in the narration from the two Sadiqs that the earth will never be without an imam unless Allah is angry at the people because of their sins so the Hujjah will be lifted for some time and Allah does what he wants and this does not mean that the concept of Imamah is incorrect in any way. This had also happened in the time between Muhammad PBUh and Jesus PBUH in that there was no Imam or prophet then for 300 or 200 years and al Sadiq said: the Period is the time when the earth will be without an Imam or a prophet. The earth today is without an Imam until Allah sends one from the progeny of Muhammad PBUH.

A group said: Abu Ja’afar “Muhammad bin Ali” who died in his father’s life is the Imam by the order of his father who clearly mentioned his name.

A group said when asked “Is Ja’afar or his brothers the Imams?” they replied: We do not know if he is from Al Hassan’s brothers or from his progeny, Al Hassan was the Imam and he is now dead and the earth will never be without a hujjah so we can’t say anything until this matter becomes clearer.

A group said Al Hassan bin Ali was the Imam and he is dead so the Imamah goes to Ja’afar bin Ali just like Musa bin Ja’afar was an Imam after Abdullah bin Ja’afar because it was narrated that after an Imam passes away then the Imamah will be for the elder son. What Al Sadiq said “There will be no two brother Imams after Hassan and Hussein” this is true but if the first one didn’t have a son then it must necessarily go to his brother As for the narration which states that “An Imam will be washed only by another Imam” they said this is true and claimed that Ja’afar bin Muhammad was washed by Musa and they claimed that Abdullah ordered this because he was the Imam after him but it’s ok that Musa did it because he is a silent Imam in the presence of Abdullah. This team is the Fathiyah who allow the Imamah of two brothers after Hassan and Hussein if the first never had a son and according to this their Imam was ja’afar bin Ali.

A group said The Imam after al Hassan is his son Muhammad and he is al Hujjah but he is currently dead and when he is resurrected he will carry the sword and fill the world with justice and love after it was filled with hatred and oppression.

A group said that all the others were wrong and that Al Hassan did have a son during his life called Muhammad and he is al Qa’em and he is alive and he has two Ghaybas (occultations) a minor one when his father dies and a major one after the death of abu al Hassan ali bin Muhammad al Samiri the final emissary and this has been going since that time.

Sources: look for details of each team in the book “Firaq al Shia” Page 96 by Al Hassan bin Musa Abu Muhammad al Nawbakhti, also in the books “Al Fusool al mukhtara” page 261 & “bihar al Anwar” (37/20) and (50/336).

I leave you to draw your own conclusions…

{But those who are unjust follow their [own] desires without knowledge. Then who can guide one whom Allah has sent astray? And for them there are no helpers.}

[Holy Qur’an - 30:29]

و صلى الله على سيدنا و حبيبنا محمد و على آله و صحبه و سلم

[TripolySunni]

Salam Aleykum,

More valuable interesting Hadiths

I thought this Hadith was weak but it seems Imam al-Shawkani has placed it in his book with several weak Isnads and two Isnads which he thinks are good, surprisingly narrated by Fatima bint Rassul Allah PBUH:


نظر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم إلى علي فقال هذا في الجنة وإن من شيعته قوماً يلغون الإسلام يرفضونه لهم نبز يسمون الرافضة من لقيهم فليقتلهم فإنهم مشركون
الراوي: فاطمة بنت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم المحدث: الشوكاني - المصدر: در السحابة - الصفحة أو الرقم: 36
خلاصة حكم المحدث: إسناده رجاله ثقات


Fatima bint Rassul Allah PBUT said: The Prophet PBUH looked at Ali and said: "He is in paradise and in his Shia are folks who will cancel Islam and reject it, they will be known as the rejectors(Rafidha), he who sees them must fight them for they are polytheists(Moushrikoun)."

source: Imam al Shawkani said the narrators are trustworthy in Durr al Sahabah 36, He also narrated it from Ibn Abbas (ra) and said Isnad Hasan.


أرحم أمتي بأمتي : أبو بكر ، وأشدهم في أمر الله : عمر ، وأصدقهم حياء : عثمان ، وأقرؤهم لكتاب الله : أبي بن كعب ، وأفرضهم : زيد بن ثابت ، وأعلمهم بالحلال والحرام : معاذ بن جبل ، ألا وإن لكل أمة أمينا ، وإن أمين هذه الأمة : أبو عبيدة بن الجراح
قال المناوي تفسيراً للفظ: "وأفرضهم: زيد بن ثابت": أي «أكثرهم علما بمسائل قسمة المواريث وهو علم الفرائض (زيد بن ثابت) أي أنه يصير كذلك، ومن ثم كان الحبر ابن عباس يتوسد عتبة بابه»(45). لكن وجدت أن المناوي نقل عن ابن عبد الهادي: أنه سيصير كذلك، أي زيد، بعد انقراض عظماء الصحابة وأكابرهم


Anas ibn Malik (ra) narrated from the Prophet PBUH that he said: “The most merciful of my Ummah towards my Ummah is Abu Bakr; the most severe of them in the religion of Allah is ‘Umar; the most modest of them is ‘Uthman; the most knoweldgeable of them concerning judgments is ‘Ali bin Abu Talib; the most knowledgeable of them concerning the Book of Allah is Ubay bin Ka’b; the most knowledgeable of them concerning the permissible and the prohibited is Mu’adh bin Jabal; and the most knowledgeable of them concerning obligatory duties is Zaid bin Thabit. Indeed, for every Ummah there is a trustworthy person and the trustworthy person of this Ummah is Abu ‘Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah.”

sources:

- al-Zarqani said Sahih in Mukhtasar al Maqasid 83
- Ibn Baz said Isnad is Sahih in Hashiyat Bulugh al Maram 564
- al-Albani said Sahih on the condition of the two Sheihs(Bukhari/Muslim) in al Silsilah al Sahiha 1224
- al-Tirmithy said Hasan Sahih in his Sunan 3791
- Ibn al-Arabi said Thabit in al 'Awasem min al Qawasem 252


Salam Aleykum,

[TripolySunni]

salam

akhi, plz quote that hadiths which says prophet predicted that mu son hassan[ra] will make peace b/w two momins. & plz tell anything u know regarding that hadiths.
Actually i want sunni SAHIH hadith on marits of muawiyah[ra] as more as possible.,

wasalam

That's a couple of them from a blog, first ones seem Sahih.

Amirul Muminin Mu’awiyah رضي الله عنه adherence to Messenger’s صلى الله عليه وسلم words
Imam Ahmad recorded that Salim bin `Amir said, “Mu`awiyah was leading an army in Roman lands, at a time the bilateral peace treaty was valid. He wanted to go closer to their forces so that when the treaty of peace ended, he could invade them. An old man riding on his animal said, `Allahu Akbar (Allah is the Great), Allahu Akbar! Be honest and stay away from betrayal.’ The Messenger of Allah said,



«وَمَنْ كَانَ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَ قَوْمٍ عَهْدٌ فَلَا يَحُلَّنَّ عُقْدَةً وَلَا يَشُدَّهَا حَتَّى يَنْقَضِي أَمَدُهَا، أَوْ يَنْبُذَ إِلَيْهِمْ عَلَى سَوَاء»


(Whoever has a treaty of peace with a people, then he should not untie any part of it or tie it harder until the treaty reaches its appointed term. Or, he should declare the treaty null and void so that they are both on equal terms.) When Mu`awiyah was informed of the Prophet’s statement, he retreated. They found that man to be `Amr bin `Anbasah, may Allah be pleased with him.”



This Hadith was also collected by Abu Dawud At-Tayalisi, Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi, An-Nasa’i and Ibn Hibban in his Sahih. At-Tirmidhi said, “Hasan Sahih.”

“Allaahummaj’alhu Haadiyann…”
The Messenger of Allaah – sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam – said about Mu’awiyyah:

“Oh Allaah! Make him a guide (haadiyann), and guided (mahdiyyann), and guide others through him.”

[Sahih Sunan at-Tirmidhi: 3/236]

How ‘Umar Bin ‘Abdil-’Azeez Dealt With Those Who Cursed Mu’awiyyah
Ibraahim bin Maysarah – rahimahullah – said:

“I never saw ‘Umar bin ‘Abdil-’Azeez hit any person except one who reviled Mu’awiyyah. This one he whipped many times.”

[al-Bidayah wan-Nihayah]

Mu’awiyyah or ‘Umar bin ‘Abdil-’Azeez?
It was said to ‘Abdullah bin al-Mubarak, “Which of the two is better, Mu’aawiyyah or ‘Umar bin ‘Abdil-’Azeez?” So he said, “The dust gathered in the nose of Mu’awiyyah with the Messenger of Allah is better and superior than ‘Umar bin ‘Abdil-Azeez.”

[al-Bidayah wan-Nihayah: 8/130]

[wellwisher]

salamalaikum akhee tripolysunni, can you please find the arabic text of these narrations? If there are some more similar to these do post them. And what is the authenticity of these?


Hammad narrate from Ibrahim Nakhi that Hz. Abu Bakr[ra] lead salah-e-Janaza of Bibi Fatima Bint Muhammad[ra] with four Takbeers [ Tabqaat(Ibn Saad) Vol 8, Page 16]

b. When Hz. Fatima[ra] died Hz. Abu Bakr[ra] and Hz. Umar[ra] came, Hz. Abu Bakr[ra] asked Hz. Ali[ra] to lead prayer, Hz.Ali[ra] declined and said in presence of Khalifa of RasoolAllah[saw] how can I. [ Ali Mutaqi Al Nahdi author of Kanzal Amaal Vol 6 page 318, narrated through Khatib from Baqir]

[Ali al-Hanafi]

:salam: Triploy,

I must commend you on the fantastic job you're doing on exposing the Shi'ah :mash:. Have you ever thought about writing a book on the topic?

[TripolySunni]

The people of Iraq were worried about flies


أهل العراق يسألون عن الذباب ، وقد قتلوا ابن ابنة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ، وقال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم : هما ريحانتاي من الدنيا .


Narrated Ibn Abi Nu'm: A person (from Kufa) asked 'Abdullah bin 'Umar whether a Muslim could kill flies. I heard him saying (in reply). "The people of Iraq are asking about the killing of flies while they themselves murdered the son of the daughter of Allah's Apostle . The Prophet said, They (i.e. Hasan and Husain) are my two sweet basils in this world." (SAHIH al Bukhari - Book #57, Hadith #96).

[TripolySunni]

@ Ali al-Hanafi, Wa Aleykum el Salam brother Ali, It is my belief that these AUTHENTIC narrations destroy the Rafidhism and the Imami Twelverism, Inchallah I find relevant narrations and try to search for their sources, then If the Arabic text is easy enough I translate it, By Allah if I wanted to use weak narrations like the Shia there are plenty of those but I try to stay away from those while the Shia try to stay away from the authentic ones.

unfortunatly I'm not good enough to write books hehe : p


salamalaikum akhee tripolysunni, can you please find the arabic text of these narrations? If there are some more similar to these do post them. And what is the authenticity of these?

These are two similar to yours, not sure if they're narrated through the same chains.



صلى أبو بكر رضي الله عنه على فاطمة بنت رسول الله فكبر عليها أربعًا
Hammad narrate from Ibrahim Nakhi that Hz. Abu Bakr[ra] lead salah-e-Janaza of Bibi Fatima Bint Muhammad[ra] with four Takbeers


ماتت فاطمة بين المغرب والعشاء فحضرها أبو بكر وعمر وعثمان والزبير وعبد الرحمن بن عوف رضي الله عنهم، فلما وضعت ليصلي عليها، قال على: تقدم يا أبا بكر، قال أبو بكر رضي الله عنه: وأنت يا أبا الحسن؟ قال: نعم، فوالله لا يصلي عليها غيرك، فصلى عليها أبو بكر رضي الله عنه ودفنت ليلاً
Ali bin al Husein narrated: Hz. Fatima[ra] died betwen Maghrib and Isha so Hz. Abu Bakr[ra] and Hz. Umar[ra] And Uthman and Zubair and AbdulRahman bin Awf (raa) came, Hz. Ali said: Come forth ya Abu Bakr, then Abu Bakr[ra] asked Hz. Ali[ra]: What about you ya Abu al Hassan? Hz.Ali[ra] declined saying: yes by Allah no one but you prays on her, So Abu Bakr did and she was buried at night.

source: Mukhtasar Kitab al muwafaqah, has weakness in the Isnad and what is Sahih is that Ali prayed on her in Sahih Muslim #1759.

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Assalamalaikum akhee tripoly can you please post the arabic text for these narrations?

Al Hussein PBUH in their books tells the army of al Sham (Mua’wiyah RAA): Do you know that ali is the Wali of All believers? They said: YES.
Amali Al Saduq(135), al bihar(44/318). (and if there are some other similar narrations then plz post them too)


Hadrat Mu’âwiya’s last advice to his son Yazîd as he was dying, as follows:

“You know what relation Imâm Husayn ‘radiy-Allâhu ’anh’ is to the Messenger of Allah. He is a part from the beloved Prophet’s blessed body. He is an offspring from the flesh and blood of that most honourable person. I understand that the inhabitants of Iraq invite him to go there and be with them. But they will not help him; they will leave him alone. If he should fall into your hands, behave in appreciation of his value! Remember the closeness and affection of the Messenger of Allah ‘sall-Allâhu ’alaihi wa sallam’ to him! Do not get back at him for his behaviour! Mind you don’t break the substantial ties I have established between him and us! Be extra careful lest you should hurt or offend him!” This advice of Hadrat Mu’âwiya’s to (his son) Yazîd is written in the three hundred and twenty-first (321) page of the book Jilâ-ul’uyûn, which was written by Muhammad Bâqir bin Murtadâ Fayzî Khorasânî, a Shiite leader, who is better known with his nickname Molla Muhsin. He died in 1091 [1679 A.D.].

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عن خالد بن نجيح قال: قلت لابي عبدالله: جعلت فداك سمي رسول الله ابابكر بالصديق ؟ قال: نعم ، قال: فكيف قال: حين كان معه في الغار ، قال رسول الله : إني لارى سفينة جعفر بن أبي طالب تضطرب في البحر ضالة ، قال: يا رسول الله وانك لتراها ؟ قال: نعم ، قال: فتقدر ان ترينيها ؟ قال: ادن مني ، قال: فدنا منه ، فمسح على عينيه ، ثم قال: أنظر ، فنظر أبوبكر فرأى السفينة وهي تضطرب في البحر ثم نظر إلى قصور اهل المدينة ، فقال في نفسه: الآن صدقت إنك ساحر ، فقال رسول الله: أنت الصديق
Khaled bin Najih said: I said to Imam Abu Abdullah PBUH: May I be sacrifice for you, did the Prophet name Abu bakr al Siddiq? He said: Yes, I said: How? He said: When he was with him in the cave, The Prophet said: I see the ship of Ja'afar bin Abu Talib facing turbulence while it sails in the ocean having lost its way, Abu Bakr said: Ya Rassul Allah you see it? He said: Yes, He said: Can you show it to me? He said: Come closer to me, so he did and then he wiped on his eyes then said: Look, so Abu bakr looked and he saw a Ship in turbulent sea then he saw the castles of the people of Madinah, then he said to himself: Now I truly believe that you are a Magician, So Rassul Allah said: You are al Siddiq.

Shia sources:
تفسير القمي ، 1/289 البرهان ، 2/125 البصائر ، 422 البحار ، 18/109 ، 19/53 ،71 ، 53/75 نور الثقلين ، 2/220 أنظر ايضا: إثبات الهداة ، 1/241 ،315 ،317 الروضة ، 218 الإختصاص ، 19 البرهان ، 2/125 الصافي ، 2/344 البرهان ، /125 ،128

Tafseer al Qummi 1/289, Al burhan 2/125, Al Basa'er 422, Bihar al Anwar (18/109) (19/53,71) (53/75), Noor al Thaqalayn 2/220. Also look in: Ithbat al Hudat 1/241,315,317, Al Rawdah 218, al ikhtisas 19, al burhan 2/125, al Safi 2/344.Akhe did you check the original source for this narration?

Because i read in a book written by sunni scholar, and he translates it as( or is this a different version since it have few different words):

It is narrated by Ja’afar Saadiq,:“When the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) was in the cave with Abu Bakr, he said to him, “I can see Ja’afar and his companions on a ship in the middle of the sea and I can see the Ansaar in their houses in Madeenah.” Abu Bakr asked, “O Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) can you see them?” He replied, “Yes I can see them.” Abu Bakr (radi-Allaahu ‘anhu) then asked, “Can I also see them.” So the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) wiped his hands over Abu Bakr’s face and then he could also see everything. Upon this the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) said to him, “You will always be my friend (Siddeeque) Tafseer Alee bin Ibraaheem al-Qummee under the explanation of the verse, “Idh-huma Fil-Ghaar”

[TripolySunni]

Salam Aleykum,


أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال لأبي بكر : أنت صاحبي على الحوض ، وصاحبي في الغار

The Prophet PBUH told Abu Bakr (ra): you are my companion on the Hawd(The pool), and my companion in the cave.

source: Sunan al tirmithy 3670.
grading: Hasan sahih ghareeb.


لما سمع النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم صوت عمر – قال ابن زمعة - : خرج النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم حتى أطلع رأسه من حجرته ثم قال : لا ، لا ، لا ، ليصل للناس ابن أبي قحافة . قال ذلك مغضبا
الراوي: عبدالله بن زمعة


Abdullah bin Zama'ah narrated: When the Prophet PBUH heard the voice of Umar, he got up until his head was visible from inside his room then he said: "No, No, No, Let Ibn Abu Quhafa(Abu Bakr) lead the prayer". The narrator added: "He said it angirly".

source: al-Albani said Sahih in Sahih Abu Dawood 4661.


لما استعز برسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ، وأنا عنده في نفر من المسلمين ، دعاه بلال إلى الصلاة ، فقال : مروا من يصلي للناس ، فخرج عبد الله بن زمعة ، فإذا عمر في الناس ، وكان أبو بكر غائبا ، فقلت : يا عمر ، قم فصل بالناس ، فتقدم فكبر ، فلما سمع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم صوته ، وكان عمر رجلا مجهرا ؛ قال : فأين أبو بكر ؟ يأبى الله ذلك والمسلمون ، يأبى الله ذلك والمسلمون فبعث إلى أبي بكر فجاء بعد أن صلى عمر تلك الصلاة فصلى بالناس


Ibn al-Aswad narrated: Bilal called for prayer and it was said: who shall lead? I found Umar amongst the people and Abu Bakr was abscent so I told him: Ya Umar, rise and lead the prayer. He stepped forward and made Takbir so the Prophet PBUH heard his voice because Umar was a man with a strong voice, He PBUH asked: "Where is Abu Bakr? Allah and the Muslims will not have it otherwise, Allah and the Muslims will not have it otherwise". So they called for Abu Bakr and he came and led the people in the next prayer after Umar.

sources: al-Albani said Hasan Sahih in Sahih Abu Dawood 4660.

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Hadrat Mu’âwiya’s last advice to his son Yazîd as he was dying, as follows:

“You know what relation Imâm Husayn ‘radiy-Allâhu ’anh’ is to the Messenger of Allah. He is a part from the beloved Prophet’s blessed body. He is an offspring from the flesh and blood of that most honourable person. I understand that the inhabitants of Iraq invite him to go there and be with them. But they will not help him; they will leave him alone. If he should fall into your hands, behave in appreciation of his value! Remember the closeness and affection of the Messenger of Allah ‘sall-Allâhu ’alaihi wa sallam’ to him! Do not get back at him for his behaviour! Mind you don’t break the substantial ties I have established between him and us! Be extra careful lest you should hurt or offend him!” This advice of Hadrat Mu’âwiya’s to (his son) Yazîd is written in the three hundred and twenty-first (321) page of the book Jilâ-ul’uyûn, which was written by Muhammad Bâqir bin Murtadâ Fayzî Khorasânî, a Shiite leader, who is better known with his nickname Molla Muhsin. He died in 1091 [1679 A.D.].
Here is the arabic text for this:


و امـّا الحسين فـقـد عـرفـت حظّه مـن رسول الله و هو مـن لحم رسول اللّه و دمـه و قـد عـلمـت لا مـحالة انّ اءهل العراق سيخرجونه اليهم ثمّ يخذلونه و يضيّعـونه ، فـان ظفـرت به فـاعـرف حقـّه و مـنزلة مـن رسول اللّه و لا تـواءخـذه بفـعـله ، و مـع ذلك فـانّ لنا به خلطة و رحما و ايّاك ان تناله بسوء او يرى منك مكروها.

- بحار ج 44 / ص 311-. حيات الامـام الحسين ج 2، ص 236. كامل ابن اثير ج 4، ص 6. طبرى ج 7، ص 196 و 217. ينابيع الموده ص 333.

[TripolySunni]

Assalamalaikum akhee tripoly can you please post the arabic text for these narrations?

Al Hussein PBUH in their books tells the army of al Sham (Mua’wiyah RAA): Do you know that ali is the Wali of All believers? They said: YES.
Amali Al Saduq(135), al bihar(44/318). (and if there are some other similar narrations then plz post them too)


Arabic:


الحسين رضي الله عنه يقول لجيش الشام: أتعلمون أن علياً ولي كل مؤمن ومؤمنة؟ قالوا: نعم

As for the Hadith of the ship in turbulant waters, my translation is correct inshallah and the one you quoted is a different version. ALTHOUGH it is most probably a weak Hadith yet you can see how the shia distorted that version to make Abu Bakr look evil.

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jazakallah khairan akhee tripolysunni...

Can you please check that are these narrations full quotes? And if possible can you please provide me online version for this book..


عن أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام لما قيل له ألا توصي فقال ما أوصى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فأوصي ولكن إذا أراد الله بالناس خيراً استجمعهم على خيرهم كما جمعهم بعد نبيهم على خيرهم
Al Shafi , p. 171


عن علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه أنه قيل له ألاتوصي فقال ما أوصى رسول الله فأوصي ولكن قال أي الرسول إن أراد الله خيرا فيجمعهم على خيرهم بعد نبيهم
Talkhis Shafi , Tusi, Vol. 2, p. 376

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Asslamalaikum akhee tripolysunni please translate these narrations , which are regarding the attitude of hz muawiya(ra) regarding ahlebayt:

باب ذكر تعظيم معاوية لأهل بيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وإكرامه إياهم

1890 - أنبأنا أبو محمد عبد الله بن محمد بن ناجية قال : حدثنا أبو عمرو عثمان بن عبد الله بن عمرو بن عثمان بن عفان قال : حدثنا عبد الله بن لهيعة قال : سمعت أبا الزبير ، يحدث عن جابر بن عبد الله قال : كنا يوما عند معاوية وقد تفرشت قريش وصناديد العرب ومواليها أسفل سريره وعقيل بن أبي طالب والحسن بن علي رضي الله عنهم عن يمينه ويساره

1891 - وأنبأنا ابن ناجية قال : حدثنا زيد بن أخزم الطائي أبو طالب قال : حدثنا محمد بن الفضل السدوسي عارم قال : حدثني مهدي بن ميمون ، عن محمد بن عبد الله بن أبي يعقوب قال : كان معاوية رحمه الله إذا لقي الحسين بن علي رضي الله عنهما ، قال : مرحبا بابن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وأهلا ، ويأمر له بثلاثمائة ألف ويلقى ابن الزبير رضي الله عنه فيقول : مرحبا بابن عمة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وابن حواريه (1) ويأمر له بمائة ألف

1892 - وأنبأنا ابن ناجية قال : حدثنا ابن الأسود ، يعني : الحسين بن علي بن الأسود العجلي قال : حدثنا عبيد الله بن موسى ، عن إسرائيل ، عن ثوير ، عن أبيه قال : انطلقت مع الحسن والحسين رضي الله عنهما وافدين إلى معاوية رحمه الله فأجازهما فقبلا

1893 - وأنبأنا ابن ناجية ، أيضا ، قال : حدثنا حسين بن مهدي الأبلي قال : حدثنا عبد الرزاق قال : أنبأنا معمر ، عن الزهري قال : لما قتل علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه وجاء الحسن بن علي رضي الله عنهما إلى معاوية فقال له معاوية : لو لم يكن لك فضل على يزيد إلا أن أمك امرأة من قريش وأمه امرأة من كلب لكان لك عليه فضل ، فكيف وأمك فاطمة بنت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم

1894 - وأنبأنا ابن ناجية قال : حدثنا محمد بن مسكين قال : حدثنا يحيى بن حسان قال : حدثنا سليمان بن بلال ، عن جعفر بن محمد ، عن أبيه ، أن عقيل بن أبي طالب ، رضي الله عنه جاء إلى علي رضي الله عنه إلى العراق ليعطيه فأبى أن يعطيه شيئا ، فقال : إذن أذهب إلى رجل أوصل منك ، فذهب إلى معاوية رحمه الله فغرف له

1895 - وأنبأنا ابن ناجية قال : حدثني محمد بن مسكين قال : حدثنا يحيى بن حسان قال : حدثنا سليمان بن بلال ، عن جعفر بن محمد ، عن أبيه ، أن الحسن ، والحسين ، رضي الله عنهما ، كانا يقبلان جوائز معاوية رحمه الله

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Akhe did you check the original source for this narration?

Because i read in a book written by sunni scholar, and he translates it as( or is this a different version since it have few different words):

It is narrated by Ja’afar Saadiq,:“When the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) was in the cave with Abu Bakr, he said to him, “I can see Ja’afar and his companions on a ship in the middle of the sea and I can see the Ansaar in their houses in Madeenah.” Abu Bakr asked, “O Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) can you see them?” He replied, “Yes I can see them.” Abu Bakr (radi-Allaahu ‘anhu) then asked, “Can I also see them.” So the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) wiped his hands over Abu Bakr’s face and then he could also see everything. Upon this the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) said to him, “You are truthful (Siddeeque) Tafseer Alee bin Ibraaheem al-Qummee under the explanation of the verse, “Idh-huma Fil-Ghaar”

Here is the arabic text:
فإنه حدثني أبي عن بعض رجاله رفعه إلى أبي عبد الله قال لما كان رسول الله (ص) في الغار قال لفلان كأني أنظر إلى سفينة جعفر في أصحابه يقوم في البحر و أنظر إلى الأنصار محتسبين في أفنيتهم فقال فلان و تراهم يا رسول الله قال نعم قال فأرنيهم فمسح على عينيه فرآهم فقال له رسول الله أنت الصديق

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jazakallah khairan akhee tripolysunni...

Can you please check that are these narrations full quotes? And if possible can you please provide me online version for this book..


عن أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام لما قيل له ألا توصي فقال ما أوصى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فأوصي ولكن إذا أراد الله بالناس خيراً استجمعهم على خيرهم كما جمعهم بعد نبيهم على خيرهم
Al Shafi , p. 171


عن علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه أنه قيل له ألاتوصي فقال ما أوصى رسول الله فأوصي ولكن قال أي الرسول إن أراد الله خيرا فيجمعهم على خيرهم بعد نبيهم
Talkhis Shafi , Tusi, Vol. 2, p. 376
Akhee tripoly, if you answer this post then i wish to include these narrations here:

http://youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com/2011/02/07/did-prophetsaw-appoint-ahlebayt-as-his-successors-to-succeed-after-his-death/

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Asslamalaikum akhee tripolysunni please translate these narrations , which are regarding the attitude of hz muawiya(ra) regarding ahlebayt:

باب ذكر تعظيم معاوية لأهل بيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وإكرامه إياهم

1890 - أنبأنا أبو محمد عبد الله بن محمد بن ناجية قال : حدثنا أبو عمرو عثمان بن عبد الله بن عمرو بن عثمان بن عفان قال : حدثنا عبد الله بن لهيعة قال : سمعت أبا الزبير ، يحدث عن جابر بن عبد الله قال : كنا يوما عند معاوية وقد تفرشت قريش وصناديد العرب ومواليها أسفل سريره وعقيل بن أبي طالب والحسن بن علي رضي الله عنهم عن يمينه ويساره

1891 - وأنبأنا ابن ناجية قال : حدثنا زيد بن أخزم الطائي أبو طالب قال : حدثنا محمد بن الفضل السدوسي عارم قال : حدثني مهدي بن ميمون ، عن محمد بن عبد الله بن أبي يعقوب قال : كان معاوية رحمه الله إذا لقي الحسين بن علي رضي الله عنهما ، قال : مرحبا بابن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وأهلا ، ويأمر له بثلاثمائة ألف ويلقى ابن الزبير رضي الله عنه فيقول : مرحبا بابن عمة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وابن حواريه (1) ويأمر له بمائة ألف

1892 - وأنبأنا ابن ناجية قال : حدثنا ابن الأسود ، يعني : الحسين بن علي بن الأسود العجلي قال : حدثنا عبيد الله بن موسى ، عن إسرائيل ، عن ثوير ، عن أبيه قال : انطلقت مع الحسن والحسين رضي الله عنهما وافدين إلى معاوية رحمه الله فأجازهما فقبلا

1893 - وأنبأنا ابن ناجية ، أيضا ، قال : حدثنا حسين بن مهدي الأبلي قال : حدثنا عبد الرزاق قال : أنبأنا معمر ، عن الزهري قال : لما قتل علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه وجاء الحسن بن علي رضي الله عنهما إلى معاوية فقال له معاوية : لو لم يكن لك فضل على يزيد إلا أن أمك امرأة من قريش وأمه امرأة من كلب لكان لك عليه فضل ، فكيف وأمك فاطمة بنت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم

1894 - وأنبأنا ابن ناجية قال : حدثنا محمد بن مسكين قال : حدثنا يحيى بن حسان قال : حدثنا سليمان بن بلال ، عن جعفر بن محمد ، عن أبيه ، أن عقيل بن أبي طالب ، رضي الله عنه جاء إلى علي رضي الله عنه إلى العراق ليعطيه فأبى أن يعطيه شيئا ، فقال : إذن أذهب إلى رجل أوصل منك ، فذهب إلى معاوية رحمه الله فغرف له

1895 - وأنبأنا ابن ناجية قال : حدثني محمد بن مسكين قال : حدثنا يحيى بن حسان قال : حدثنا سليمان بن بلال ، عن جعفر بن محمد ، عن أبيه ، أن الحسن ، والحسين ، رضي الله عنهما ، كانا يقبلان جوائز معاوية رحمه الله

bumped for akhee tripoly...

p.s please disregard the request in post 786...

[*Ali*]

Assalamu Aleykum,

Does anyone have a study of the sunni narrations about the attack on the house of Fatima (raa) by Umar (raa) ?

[Abdullah Efendi]

Salam alaikum

Fihrist of shia scholars and their believe in tahrif


Enjoy
http://gift2shias.com/2011/02/11/fihrist-of-shia-scholars-and-their-believe-in-tahrif/

[Abdullah Efendi]

Assalamu Aleykum,

Does anyone have a study of the sunni narrations about the attack on the house of Fatima (raa) by Umar (raa) ?

Alaikuma Salam
http://gift2shias.com/2011/01/13/question-about-alleged-attack-of-fatima-by-umar/

[*Ali*]

Aleykum Assalam bro Effendi,

Some pepole says that the sanad of Ibn Abi Shayba narration is sahih, is it true ?

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بِشْرٍحَدَّثَنَا عُبَيْدُ اللهِ بْنُ عُمَرَ حَدَّثَنَا زَيْدُ بْنُ أَسْلَم َعْن أَبِيهِ أَسْلَمَ ، أَنَّهُ حِينَ بُويِعَ لأَبِي بَكْرٍ بَعْدَ رَسُولِ اللهِ كَانَ عَلِيٌّ وَالزُّبَيْرُ يَدْخُلاَنِ عَلَى فَاطِمَةَ بِنْتِ رَسُولِ اللهِ فَيُشَاوِرُونَهَا وَيَرْتَجِعُونَ فِي أَمْرِهِمْ ، فَلَمَّا بَلَغَ ذَلِكَ عُمَرَ بْنَ الْخَطَّابِ خَرَجَ حَتَّى دَخَلَ عَلَى فَاطِمَةَ ، فَقَالَ : يَا بِنْتَ رَسُولِ اللهِ , وَاللهِ مَا مِنْ أَحَدٍ أَحَبَّ إلَيْنَا مِنْ أَبِيك , وَمَا مِنْ أَحَدٍ أَحَبَّ إلَيْنَا بَعْدَ أَبِيك مِنْك , وَأَيْمُ اللهِ مَا ذَاكَ بِمَانِعِيَّ إنْ اجْتَمَعَ هَؤُلاَءِ النَّفَرُ عِنْدَكِ أَنْ أَمَرْتُهُمْ أَنْ يُحَرَّقَ عَلَيْهِمْ الْبَيْتُ ، قَالَ : فَلَمَّا خَرَجَ عُمَرُ جَاءُوهَا ، فَقَالَتْ : تَعْلَمُونَ ، أَنَّ عُمَرَ قَدْ جَاءَنِي وَقَدْ حَلَفَ بِاللهِ لَئِنْ عُدْتُمْ لَيُحَرِّقَنَّ عَلَيْكُمْ الْبَيْتَ وَأَيْمُ اللهِ لَيَمْضِيَنَّ لِمَا حَلَفَ عَلَيْهِ , فَانْصَرِفُوا رَاشِدِينَ , فَرَوْا رَأْيَكُمْ ، وَلاَ تَرْجِعُوا إلَيَّ , فَانْصَرَفُوا ، عَنْهَا فَلَمْ يَرْجِعُوا إلَيْهَا حَتَّى بَايَعُوا لأَبِي بَكْر

[Abdullah Efendi]

On Salim ibn Qays al-Hilali

Book: al-Mawduat fil athar wal akhbar.

Author: Hashim Maroof al-Hasani.

At the page 184 during discussion of authenticy of one story, this shia author said:

“And it’s sufficient for defect to this story, fact that it was narrated by Sulaim ibn Qays and he from suspected and accused in lie, and in the book which is ascribed to him narrated that Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr adressed to his father while he was on the deathbed, but he (Muhammad) was only 2 years old (when his father died). And it was narrated there that imams would be 13″.

Scans here
http://gift2shias.com/2011/02/16/on-salim-ibn-qays-al-hilali/

[Abdullah Efendi]

Aleykum Assalam bro Effendi,

Some pepole says that the sanad of Ibn Abi Shayba narration is sahih, is it true ?

Alaikuma Salam brother. From what I know main narrator Aslam was not present at this so-called event because Umar (raa) bought him during Hajj 11H so he can’t narrate this so-called event from himself. Aslam ibn Zayd was not a sahabi but a Tabi’i bought by Umar in year 11 when he came back from the Hajj, see tahzib of ibn hajar : قال بن إسحاق بعث أبو بكر عمر سنة 11 فأقام للناس الحج وابتاع فيها أسلم مولاه
and prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) died in year 11 during rabi’ al awwal, so Aslam was not present during the death of Prophet (saws) and bay’ah of Abu Bakr because he came only after Hajj of year 11.

[TripolySunni]

On Salim ibn Qays al-Hilali

Book: al-Mawduat fil athar wal akhbar.

Author: Hashim Maroof al-Hasani.

At the page 184 during discussion of authenticy of one story, this shia author said:

“And it’s sufficient for defect to this story, fact that it was narrated by Sulaim ibn Qays and he from suspected and accused in lie, and in the book which is ascribed to him narrated that Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr adressed to his father while he was on the deathbed, but he (Muhammad) was only 2 years old (when his father died). And it was narrated there that imams would be 13″.

Scans here
http://gift2shias.com/2011/02/16/on-salim-ibn-qays-al-hilali/

Salam,

The shia book of Salim bin Qays is nothing short of being garbage, the shia scholars arn't even sure if it's written by him or not.

[TripolySunni]

Salam Aleykum,

Imamah and Companions

translating some of the shia narrations about "Imamah" from their books and you'll see just how ridiculous they are:


قال: كان رسول الله في بيت أم حبيبة بنت أبي سفيان، فقال: يا أم حبيبة، اعتزلينا فإنا على حاجة، ثم دعا بوضوء فأحسن الوضوء، ثم قال: إن أول من يدخل من هذا الباب أمير المؤمنين، وسيد العرب، وخير الوصيين، وأولى الناس بالناس، فقال أنس: فجعلت أقول: اللهم اجعله رجلاً من الأنصار، قال: فدخل علي وجاء يمشي حتى جلس إلى جنب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، فجعل رسول الله يمسح وجهه بيده، ثم مسح بها وجه علي بن أبي طالب، فقال علي: وما ذاك يا رسول الله؟ قال: إنك تبلغ رسالتي من بعدي، وتؤدي عني، وتسمع الناس صوتي، وتعلم الناس من كتاب الله ما لا يعلمون

The Servant of the Prophet PBUH, Anas Ibn Malik (ra) narrates: The Prophet PBUH was in the House of Umm Habibah daughter of Abu Suffian when he told her: "Ya Umm Habibah please leave us for we have a matter (to discuss)", then he asked for water to make Wudhu and he made a proper wudhu then said: "The first who enters through this door is the chief of believers and the Master of the Arabs and the best of successors and the most worthy of being followed amongst the people". So Anas said: "O God please make him be from the Ansars". Then Ali entered and walked until he sat besides the Prophet PBUH, The Prophet then started wiping his face with his hand and then with it he wiped on Ali's face, Ali said: "What is this O Prophet?" He replied: "You will deliver my message after me and make my voice heard between the people and teach the people from the book of Allah what they do not know".

shia sources:

اليقين: (12، 28، 35، 128، 140)، الإرشاد: (30)، البحار: (37/298، 324، 327، 330) (40/15، 16)، تأويل الآيات: (1/181)، نور الثقلين: (3/61).

Al-Irshad p30, Bihar al Anwar (37/298,324,327,330) (40/15,16), Taawil al Ayat 1/181, Noor al Thaqalayn 3/61, Al-Yaqin pages 12,28,35,12,140.

Ok so a few things here:

1-This story happened at the end of the 7th year of Hijra or after it because the Mother of believers Umm Habiba bint Abu Suffiyan (raa) came to Madinah on the month of thu-al-Hijjah of that year.

2-Anas ibn Malik (ra) who served the Prophet PBUH for seven years had absolutely no idea that Ali (ra) was the Imam after the seventh year A.H.

3-What is the significance of Ghadeer Khum which the Shia celebrate yearly if the Prophet PBUH announced the Imamah of Ali (ra) before this?


رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم دعا بني عبد المطلب وهم يومئذٍ أربعون رجلاً، فيهم أعمامه: أبو طالب، وحمزة، والعباس، وأبو لهب، وكان قد أولَم لهم، وبعد أن أكلوا وشربوا، قال: يا بني عبد المطلب، إني قد جئتكم بخير الدنيا والآخرة، وقد أمرني الله أن أدعوكم إليه، فمن يجيبني إلى هذا الأمر ويؤازرني يكن أخي ووزيري ووصيي ووارثي وخليفتي من بعدي؟ فأحجم القوم جميعاً إلا علياً قال: أنا يا نبي الله، فأخذ النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم برقبته، وقال: هذا أخي ووزيري ووصيي ووارثي وخليفتي من بعدي، فاسمعوا له وأطيعوا.

The Prophet PBUH called all of Bani Abdul-Mutalib and they were forty Men including his uncles: Abu Talib, Hamzah, Al Abbas, Abu Lahab and they ate and drank then the messenger said: “O bani Abdul-Mutalib I came to you with the goodness of this world and the hereafter and Allah ordered me to call you to Islam So Who Accepts my Call and Becomes My successor and brother and inheritor and caliph after me? They all remained silent except for Ali who said “ Me O Prophet” Then the prophet took him by his neck and said “this is my brother and Wazir and successor and Caliph So hear and obey him”.

Shia sources:
الإمامة وأهل البيت ج 2 - محمد بيومي مهران ص 37
شرح نهج البلاغة 13 / 210 - 212
الأميني في الغدير : 1/ 207:

Al-Imamah wa Ahlul-Bayt by Muhammad Byoumi Mehran 2/37, Sharh Nahjul Balagha 13/210,212, Al-Ghadeer by al Amini 1/207.

comment:

1- All of bani Abdul-Mutalib never reached forty men at the time.

2- What if someone else stood up and said "me"? would he have become an Imam? and if the Prophet PBUH knew no one would answer then what's the point of this question?

3- These forty men just stood up and left casually like nothing ever happened? also what's the significance of Ghadeer khum if he declared the Imamah of Ali ages ago?


عبدالله بن عباس رضي الله عنهما، فقد روى القوم أنه دخل على النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم والحسن على عاتقه والحسين على فخذه يلثمهما ويقبلهما، ويقول: اللهم وال من والاهما وعاد من عاداهما، ثم قال: يا ابن عباس، كأني به وقد خضبت شيبته من دمه، يدعو فلا يجاب، ويستنصر فلا ينصر، قلت: فمن يفعل ذلك يا رسول الله؟ قال: شرار أمتي، لا أنالهم الله شفاعتي، ثم قال: يا ابن عباس، من زاره عارفاً بحقه كتب له ثواب ألف حجة وألف عمرة، ألا ومن زاره فكأنما قد زارني، ومن زارني فكأنما زار الله، وحق الزائر على الله أن لا يعذبه بالنار، وإن الإجابة تحت قبته، والشفاء في تربته، والأئمة من ولده. قلت: يا رسول الله، فكم الأئمة بعدك؟ قال: بعدد حواريي عيسى، وأسباط موسى، ونقباء بني إسرائيل، قلت: يا رسول الله، فكم كانوا؟ قال: كانوا اثني عشر، والأئمة بعدي اثنا عشر، أولهم: علي بن أبي طالب، وبعده سبطاي: الحسن والحسين، فإذا انقضى الحسين فابنه علي، فإذا مضى علي فابنه محمد، فإذا انقضى محمد فابنه جعفر، فإذا انقضى جعفر فابنه موسى، فإذا انقضى موسى فابنه علي، فإذا انقضى علي فابنه محمد، فإذا انقضى محمد فابنه علي، فإذا انقضى علي فابنه الحسن، فإذا انقضى الحسن فابنه الحجة، قال ابن عباس: قلت: يا رسول الله، أسامي ما أسمع بهم قط، قال لي: يا ابن عباس، هم الأئمة بعدي

Abdullah Ibn Abbas (ra) entered on the Prophet PBUH and he had al-Hassan wal Hussein on his lap and he was kissing them and licking them while saying: Allah be the friend of their friend and the enemy of their enemy. then he said: O Ibn Abbas it's like I see him(Hussein) and his grey beard is soaked with his blood, he will ask for help but will not get it and ask for support and will not get it. Ibn Abbas said: who does this ya Rassul Allah? he said: The evil ones from my nation may Allah not grant them my intersession. he PBUH said: Ya Ibn Abbas he who visits him (in his grave) knowing his right (of Imamah) will be given the reward of a thousand pilgrimages to Mecca and a thousand 'Umrahs, he who visits him is like he who visits me and he who visits me is like he who visits Allah, it is the right of the visitor upon Allah that he would not throw him in hellfire. He PBUH continued: The answer (of Dua) is under his dome (grave) and healing is in the sand of his grave and the Imams are from his children. Ibn Abbas asked: O Messenger of Allah, how many Imams after you? he replied: the number of Isa's disciples , the Asbat of Musa and the leaders of Bani Israel. he asked: how many were they? He replied: twelve and so are the Imams after me, the first is Ali ibn abi Talib then my Asbat: Hassan wal Hussein, Then Ali the son of Hussein, then Muhammad son of Ali, then Ja'afar son of Muhammad... (until he states all of them)... then al hujjah(Mahdi). Ibn Abbas asked: O Messenger of Allah these are names I've never heard of before? He PBUH said: YaIbn Abbas these are the Imams after me.

shia souces:

كفاية الأثر: (3، 14)، البحار: (36/286، 321)، إثبات الهداة:(1/572)، منتخب الأثر:(99).

Bihar al anwar 36/286,321, kifayat al Athar pages 3,14, Ithbat al Hudat 1/572, Muntkhab al Athar p99.

comment:

1- Ibn Abbas (ra) was born to bani Hashim three years before Hijrah, he moved to the place of Hijrah after the opening of Mecca in the eighth year after Hijrah, so he only accompanied the Prophet BUH around 30 months and this narration should've taken place at around this time.

2- Observe how Ibn Abbas (ra) had no idea about the Imamah or the Imams although he is really close to the prophet PBUH.


يسأل النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم في مرض موته بزعم القوم: إذا كان ما نعوذ بالله منه فإلى من؟ فأشار إلى علي رضي الله عنه، فقال: إلى هذا فإنه مع الحق والحق معه، ثم يكون من بعده أحد عشر إماماً مفترضة طاعتهم كطاعتي

Ibn Abbas (ra) asks the Prophet PBUH in his last sickness: "If what we fear happens(He dies) then who will lead?" the Prophet PBUH pointed to Ali Ibn abi Talib (ra) and said: "He will and truth will be with him and then after him will be twelve Imams whose obedience is obligatory like mine."

shia sources:
منتخب الأثر: (36)، إعلام الورى: (365)، البحار: (36/300).

Muntakhab al Athar p36, bihar al Anwar 36/300, I'ilam al Wara p365.

comment:

1- Didn't the Prophet PBUH already tell him this and explain it to him in the previous narration? why is he asking like he has absolutely no idea who will be the Imam?

2- Didn't this happen after Ghadeer khum? don't the Shia claim that the Prophet PBUH appointed Ali(ra) as the divine Imam and successor in front of everyone? how come Ibn Abbas (ra) didn't know this?


إن ابن مسعود رضي الله عنه قال: قال لي رسول الله لما رجع من حجة الوداع: يا ابن مسعود، قد قرب الأجل ونعيت إليّ نفسي فمن لك بعدي؟ فأقبلت أعد عليه رجلاً رجلاً، فبكى ثم قال: ثكلتك الثواكل! فأين أنت من علي بن أبي طالب لم تقدمه على الخلق أجمعين

Ibn Mas'oud narrates: The Prophet PBUH told me after his return from the farewell pilgrimage: Ya Ibn Mas'oud my time is up and I was told I will pass away so who will you follow after me? Ibn Mas'oud started naming some of the Men, So the Prophet PBUH cried and said: May your mother forget you! where are you from Ali ibn abi Talib? why didn't you place him before all creations! ( In another narration he said: If they follow and obey him they will all enter heaven).

shia sources:

تفسير القمي: (1/182)، البحار: (37/345)، إثبات الهداة: (2/140)، نور الثقلين:(1/658).
أمالي الطوسي: (313)، أمالي المفيد: (21، 22)، المناقب: (3/63) (وفي رواية: عثمان)، البحار: (38/117)، 128، إثبات الهداة: (2/41، 102).

Tafsir al Qummi 1/182, Bihar al Anwar 37/345, Noor al thaqalayn 1/658, Ithbat al Hudat 2/140, Amali al Tusi p313, Amali al Mufid pages 21, 22.

comment:

1- Ibn Mas'oud (ra) was one of the first to accept Islam and we are talking about after the farewell pilgrimage at the end of the Prophet's PBUH life so how can he not know that Ali (ra) is superior to the rest let alone being the divine Imam who must be followed?


قلت للنبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: يا رسول الله، من يغسلك إذا مت؟ فقال: يغسل كل نبي وصيه، قلت: فمن وصيك يا رسول الله؟ قال: علي بن أبي طالب

Ibn Mas'oud told the Prophet PBUH: O messenger of Allah if you die then who shall wash you? He said: every prophet is washed by his successor(Wasi), I said: who is your successor O messenger of Allah? he replied: Ali ibn abi Talib.

shia sources:
كمال الدين: (17)، البحار: (13/367) (22/512) (32/280)، إثبات الهداة: (1/270) (2/40).

Bihar al Anwar (13/367) (22/512) (32/280), Kamal ul-Deen p17, Ithbat al Hudat (1/270) (2/40).

comment:

1- Ibn Mas'oud (ra) must have some really bad memory although he memorized the Quran and its explanation, Didn't he already tell him that Ali (ra) was the one who shall lead after him and succeed him? why does he ask again?


كنا ذات يوم عند رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم في مسجد قباء ونحن نفر من أصحابه، إذ قال: معاشر أصحابي، إنه يطلع عليكم من هذا الباب رجل هو أمير المؤمنين وإمام المسلمين، قال: فنظروا وكنت فيمن نظر، فإذا نحن بعلي بن أبي طالب قد طلع، فقام النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، فقال: هذا إمامكم من بعدي

They narrate from Abu Dharr al Ghafari that he said: we were once in the masjid of "Qibaa" with the Prophet PBUH and we were a group of his companions, he told us: "The Man who appears from this door is the chief of believers and the Imam of Muslims", so we looked and we saw Ali bin abi Talib entering through the door, The prophet PBUH stood up and said: "This is your Imam after me!".

shia sources:
إثبات الهداة: (2/67)، البحار: (38/106).

Bihar al Anwar 38/106, Ithbat al Hudat 2/67.

comment:

1-Didn't the Prophet PBUH already do this with Anas ibn Malik? He told him that the Imam will be the one to enter through the door in a previous narration? I find it pretty amusing actually that Ali seems to be always entering through doors at just the right time. why does the Prophet PBUH even do this? couldn't he just tell them it's Ali instead of this "entering through door" routine? (movie has a bad direcor).

2- Them being in the mosque of Qibaa proves that this happened after Hijrah.


أنس رضي الله عنه قال: صلى بنا رسول الله صلاة الفجر، ثم أقبل علينا، وقال: معاشر أصحابي، من أحب أهل بيتي حشر معنا، ومن استمسك بأوصيائي من بعدي فقد استمسك بالعروة الوثقى، فقام إليه أبو ذر الغفاري، فقال: يا رسول الله، كم الأئمة بعدك؟ قال: عدد نقباء بني إسرائيل، فقال: كلهم من أهل بيتك؟ قال: كلهم من أهل بيتي، تسعة من صلب الحسين والمهدي تاسعهم

Anas narrates: The Prophet PBUH was leading us in the prayer of Fajr and after it he came and told us: O my companions he who loves my ahlul-bayt shall be in paradise with us, he who holds fast to my successors has held on to the rope of God . so Abu Dharr asked: O prophet PBUH how many are the Imams after you? He replied: the number of the leaders of bani Israel, he asked: all of them from your Ahlul-bayt? he replied: all of them and nine from the progeny of Hussein and the ninth is al Mahdi.

shia sources:

كفاية الأثر: (10)، البحار: (36/310)، إثبات الهداة: (1/579)، منتخب الأثر: (47).

Bihar al anwar 36/310, kifayat al Athar p10, Ithbat al Hudat 1/579, Muntakhab al Athar p47.


دخلت على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم في مرضه الذي توفي فيه -والرواية طويلة- وفيها أن أبا ذر رضي الله عنه قال لرسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: يا رسول الله، فكم الأئمة بعدك؟ قال: عدد نقباء بني إسرائيل

Anas reported in another long narration: I entered on the Prophet PBUH in his last sickness that he passed away in...(after a long naration)... Abu Dharr asked the Prophet PBUH: Ya Rassul Allah, how many imams after you? He PBUH replied: the number of the leaders of Bani Israel.

shia sources:
كفاية الأثر: (5)، البحار: (36/288)، إثبات الهداة: (1/575، 576)، منتخب الأثر: (46).

bihar al Anwar 36/288, Kifayat al Athar p5, Ithba al Hudat (1/575,576), Muntakhab al Athar p46.

comment:

1- Abu Dharr (ra) must also have really bad memory, I hope he didn't forget the number of Imams after the prophet PBUH passed away so that he wouldn't die a death of ignorance.

2-So the biggest companions never even knew the number of Imams (let alone their names) until the Prophet's PBUh last sickness?




قال: حدثنا أبو الحسن محمد بن مظفر الوراق ، حدثنا أبو بكر محمد بن أبي الثلج ، قال: أخبرني الحسين بن أيوب من كتابه، عن محمد بن غالب، عن علي ابن الحسن ، عن عبد الله بن جبلة، عن ذريح المحاربي، عن أبي حمزة الثمالي، عن أبي جعفر محمد بن علي عليهما السلام، عن أبيه، عن جده قال: إن الله جل جلاله بعث جبرئيل عليه السلام إلى محمد صلى الله عليه وآله أن يشهد لعلي بن أبي طالب عليه السلام بالولاية في حياته، و يسميه بإمرة المؤمنين قبل وفاته، فدعا نبي الله صلى الله عليه وآله تسعة رهط ، فقال: إنما دعوتكم لتكونوا شهداء الله في الارض أقمتم أم كتمتم.
ثم قال: يا أبا بكر قم فسلم على علي بإمرة المؤمنين، فقال: أعن أمر الله ورسوله ؟ قال: نعم، فقام فسلم عليه بإمرة المؤمنين. ثم قال: قم يا عمر فسلم على علي بإمرة المؤمنين، فقال: أعن أمر الله ورسوله نسميه أمير المؤمنين ؟ قال: نعم، فقام فسلم عليه. ثم قال للمقداد بن الاسود الكندي: قم فسلم على علي بإمرة المؤمنين، فقام فسلم، ولم يقل مثل ما قال الرجلان من قبله. ثم قال لابي ذر الغفاري: قم فسلم على علي بإمرة المؤمنين، فقام فسلم عليه. ثم قال لحذيفة اليماني: قم فسلم على أمير المؤمنين، فقام فسلم عليه . ثم قال لعمار بن ياسر: قم فسلم على أمير المؤمنين، فقام فسلم عليه، ثم قال لعبدالله بن مسعود: قم فسلم على علي بإمرة المؤمنين فقام فسلم عليه. ثم قال لبريدة: قم فسلم على أمير المؤمنين وكان بريدة أصغر القوم سنا فقام فسلم، فقال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله: إنما دعوتكم لهذا الامر لتكونوا شهداء الله أقمتم أم تركتم

Said: Told us Abul Hasan Muhammab b.Mudhafar al Waraq, told us Abu Bakr Muhammad b. Abi al Thaaj, said: Informed us Al Hussain b. Ayub of his book, from Muhammad b. Ghalib, from Ali b. al Hasan, from Abdullah b. Jablah, from Zarbah al Maharbi, from Abi Hamza Thamali, from Abu Ja'far Muhammad b. Ali(as), from (his(as)) father, from (his(as))'s forefather (who) said:

"Allah the magnificent has sent Gabriel to Muhammad PBUH so he can bear witness that Ali is the Ameer al mumineen during his life and declare his leadership before he dies, The Prophet PBUH called nine men and told them: "(I have) only invited you to be witnesses before Allah(swt) on earth, whether you stand by it or hide it."
He PBUH said to the first man: "Ya Abu bakr, stand and send Salam on Ali as he is the prince of believers". Abu bakr said: an order by Allah and his prophet? The Prophet replied: yes, so he stood and sent Salam on him. The he told the second Man: "Ya Umar, stand and send Salam on Ali as he is the prince of believers". Umar said: "Do we have to call him prince of believers by order of Allah and his Prophet?" he PBUH replied: Yes, So he stood up and gave him Salam. Then the Prophet PBUH told al Miqdad bin a Aswad and told him: " Ya Miqdad, stand and send Salam on Ali as he is the prince of believers". so he did without saying what the two before him did ...(the narrations continues as he tells Abu Dharr, Huthayfa, Ammar bin Yassir, Abdullah ibn Mas'oud, buraidah,..) then he PBUH said: "(I) only called you to stand witnesses to this affair before Allah(swt). (It's up to you) stand steadfast(to the testimony) or abandon it."

Shia source: Al Amali of Shaikh Mufeed(shia scholar). It's in majlis 2, hadith number 7, page number 18.

comment:

1- So the Prophet PBUH did tell pretty much everyone that Ali (ra) was the Imam before Ghadeer Khum? what's the point of Ghadeer khum?

2- why nine men?


فدعا علياً يوماً فخلا به يومه ذلك وليلته واستودعه العلم والحكمة التي آتاه إياها، وعرفه ما قال جبرئيل، وكان ذلك يوم عائشة، فقالت: يا رسول الله، لقد طال استخلاؤك بعلي منذ اليوم، فأعرض عنها، فقالت: لم تعرض عني يا رسول الله بأمر لعله يكون لي صلاحاً؟ فقال: صدقت وايم الله، إنه لأمر صلاح لمن أسعده الله بقبوله والإيمان به، وقد أمرني بدعاء الناس جميعاً إليه، وستعلمين ذلك إذا أنا قمت به في الناس، قالت: يا رسول الله، ولم لا تخبرني به الآن لأتقدم بالعمل به والأخذ بما فيه الصلاح؟ قال: سأخبرك به فاحفظيه إلى أن أؤمر بالقيام به في الناس جميعاً، فإنك إن حفظتيه حفظك الله في العاجلة والآجلة جميعاً، وكانت لك الفضيلة للأسبقية والمسارعة إلى الإيمان بالله ورسوله...
إلى أن قال: إن الله أخبرني أن عمري قد انقضى، وأمرني أن أنصب علياً للناس، وأجعله فيهم إماماً، وأستخلفه كما استخلف الأنبياء من قبلي أوصياءهم


In a long narration Gabriel tells the Prophet PBUH to appoint Ali (ra) as his successor, so at one night he calls for Ali and has a private talk with him, teaching him knowledge and wisdom given to him by Allah and telling him about what Gabriel said. That night was also the night of Aisha (ra) so she asked: Ya Rassul Allah you've been having long private talks with Ali since that day, So he PBUH ignored her, then she said: Why ignore me O Messenger of Allah? please tell me if this brings me benefit, He replied: By Allah You speak Truth! this matter brings benefit to whom Allah wishes to believe in it and be happy, and he ordered me to call all people to this matter and you will know it when I tell it to the people, she said: O Messenger of Allah why not tell me now so I can benefit from this goodness now? He said: I will tell you so keep it to yourself until I tell all the people... (until he PBUH said)... Allah has told me that my time is up, he ordered me to appoint Ali as the leader of the people and make him their Imam and successor just like the past prophets appointed their successors.

shia sources:

كشف اليقين: (137)، الإقبال: (454)، البحار: (28/96).

Bihar al Anwar 28/96, Al-Iqbal p454, Kashf al Yaqeen p137.

comment:

1- Didn't the Prophet PBUH already tell this to all of Bani Abdul-Mutalib and Anas ibn Malik (ra) and Ibn Abbas (ra) and all the others in the previous narrations? why is the Prophet PBUH acting like this is some sort of secret which was recently revealed to him and telling Aisha (ra) to keep it to herself and not tell anybody?


سلمان الفارسي رضي الله عنه كما يروي القوم، أنه سأل رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: يا نبي الله، إن لكل نبي وصياً، فمن وصيك؟ قال: فسكت عني، فلمَّا كان بعدُ رآني من بعيد، فقال: يا سلمان، قلت: لبيك وأسرعت إليه، فقال: تعلم من كان وصي موسى؟ قلت: يوشع بن نون، فقال: ذاك لأنه يومئذٍ خيرهم وأعلمهم، ثم قال: وإني أشهد اليوم أن علياً خيرهم وأفضلهم، وهو وليي ووصيي ووارثي

Salman al Farisi (ra) asked the Prophet PBUH: O messenger of Allah every prophet has a successor so who is yours? The Prophet PBUH remained silent and didn't replied, another time he saw me from a distance and said: Ya Salman, do you know who was the successor of Musa? I said: yusha'a bin nun, he said: this is because back then he was their best and the most knowledgeable, then he PBUH said: And I bear witness that Ali is their best and he is my successor and inheritor.

shia sources:

البحار: (38/18، 131)، إثبات الهداة: (2/83).

Bihar al anwar (18/38,131) ithbat al hudat 2/83.


يا رسول الله، إنك قلت: من مات وليس عليه إمام مات ميتة جاهلية، من هذا الإمام؟ قال: من أوصيائي يا سلمان

in another narration Salman asks: Ya Rassul Allah you said: "He who dies and does not know the Imam of his time dies a death of ignorance" So who is this Imam? He replied: He is from my successors Ya Salman.

shia sources:

كمال الدين: (231)، البحار: (23/88).

bihar al Anwar 23/88, Kamal al Deen p231.

comment:

1- I don't know if that really answered his question though.


سأل سلمان رضي الله عنه: يا سلمان، إن الله عز وجل لم يبعث نبياً ولا رسولاً إلا جعل له اثني عشر نقيباً، قال: قلت: يا رسول الله، قد عرفت هذا من الكتابين -التوراة والإنجيل- قال: يا سلمان، فهل علمت نقبائي الاثني عشر الذين اختارهم الله للإمامة من بعدي؟ فقلت: الله ورسوله أعلم

In this narration the Prophet PBUH is the one to ask Salman al Farisi: Ya Salman, Allah did not send any prophet or messenger unless he appointed twelve leaders for him. Salman said: Ya Rassul Allah I know this from the two books - Torah/Bible - The Prophet PBUH asked: Ya Salman did you find out who are the twelve leaders whom Allah picked for Imamah after me? He replied: Allah and his Prophet know best.

shia sources:

منتخب الأثر: (31)، البحار: (25/6) (36/223) (53/142).

Bihar al Anwar (6/25) (36/223) (53/142), Muntakhab al Athar p31.

comment:

1-So here he's saying he read this in past books but why didn't he ask? why did he wait until the Prophet PBUH told him who they were? did he not fear that he'll die a death of ignorance?


علي رضي الله عنه قال: كنت عند النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم في بيت أم سلمة، إذ دخل عليه جماعة من أصحابه، منهم: سلمان، وأبو ذر، والمقداد، وعبدالرحمن بن عوف، فقال سلمان: يا رسول الله، إن لكل نبي وصياً وسبطين، فمن وصيك وسبطاك؟ فأطرق ساعة، ثم قال: يا سلمان، إن الله بعث أربعة آلاف نبي، وكان لهم أربعة آلاف وصي، وثمانية آلاف سبط، فوالذي نفسي بيده لأنا خير الأنبياء، ووصيي خير الأوصياء، وسبطاي خير الأسباط، ثم قال: يا سلمان، أتعرف من كان وصي آدم؟ فقال: الله ورسوله أعلم، فقال صلى الله عليه وسلم: إني أعرفك يا أبا عبدالله، فأنت منا أهل البيت، إن آدم أوصى إلى ابنه شيث، وأوصى شيث إلى ابنه شبان -ثم ذكر بقية سلسلة الأنبياء والأوصياء إلى أن قال-: وأنا أدفعها إلى علي بن أبي طالب، فقال علي: فقلت: يا رسول الله، فهل بينهم أنبياء وأوصياء أخر؟ قال: نعم، أكثر من أن تحصى، ثم قال: وأنا أدفعها إليك يا علي، وأنت تدفعها إلى ابنك الحسن، والحسن يدفعها إلى أخيه الحسين -ثم ذكر بقية الأئمة- ثم التفت إلينا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال رافعاً صوته: الحذر الحذر إذا فقد الخامس من ولد السابع من ولدي، قال علي: فقلت: يا رسول الله، فما يكون في هذه الغيبة حاله؟ والرواية طويلة أخذنا منها موضع الحاجة

Ali narrates: I was at the Prophet's PBUH home in Umm Salama's house, so a group of his companions enter and amongst them was: Salman, Abu Dharr, al Miqdad, AbdulRahman bin 'Awf. Salman asked: O Messenger of Allah for every prophet there is a successor and two asbat, so who are yours? He PBUH replied: Ya Salman, Allah has sent 4,000 prophets with 4,000 successors and 8,000 Asbat, By Allah I am the best of prophets and my successor is the best of successors and so are my Asbat…(Then he mentions a list of prophets and successors)… And I appoint Ali bin abi Talib as my successor and you Ali shall give it to al-Hassan and him to al-Hussein …(he mentions the rest)… Then he PBUH turned towards us and said while raising his voice: Be cautious when the fifth child of my seventh child disappears! Ali asked: what will happen when he disappears? (…)

shia sources:

كفاية الأثر: (19)، البحار: (36/335).
Kifayat al Athar p19, Bihar al Anwar 36/335.

comment:
1- The Prophet PBUH seems to have declared the Imamat of Ali (ra) countless times now, again what's the point of Ghadeer Khum if everyone knows already?

2- This narration happened after the 4th year hijri because that's when our Prophet PBUH married umm Salama.

3- Doesn't seem like Ali(ra) knew a lot about the Mahdi.

4-Why call only these specific men? wasn't the Prophet PBUH sent as a mercy to mankind? surely 90% of the Muslims today don't know about imamah because of all this secrecy.


من الخليفة بعدك حتى نعلمه؟ فقال: يا سلمان، ادخل على أبي ذر رضي الله عنه وافهموا عني أن علي بن أبي طالب وصيي ووارثي وقاضي ديني وعداتي

Salaman al Farisi asks again in the house of Umm Salama: Who is the Caliph after you so that we may know him? He PBUH replied: Ya Salman tell Abu Dharr that Ali is my inheritor and successor.

shia sources:
كشف اليقين: (188)، البحار: (36/264)، منتخب الأثر: (73).

Kashf al Yaqeen p188, Bihar al Anar 36/264, Mutakhab al Athar p73.

comment:

1-Salman al Farisi (ra) must have some really bad memory, even more than Ibn mas'oud(ra) and Ibn Abbas(ra).

2- it seem Abu Dharr(ra) also forgot in this one although he was given this information in previous narrations.


فعن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه قال: كنت عند النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، وأبي بكر، وعمر، والفضل بن العباس، وزيد بن حارثة، وعبدالله بن مسعود، إذ دخل الحسين بن علي رضي الله عنهم أجمعين، فأخذه النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، وقال: يا حسين، أنت الإمام ابن الإمام أبو الأئمة، تسعة من ولدك أئمة أبرار، فقال له عبدالله بن مسعود: ما هؤلاء الأئمة الذين ذكرتهم في صلب الحسين؟ فأطرق ملياً ثم رفع رأسه، فقال: يا عبدالله، سألت عظيماً ولكني أخبرك أن ابني هذا -ووضع يده على كتف الحسين- يخرج من صلبه ولد مبارك سميّ جده علي، يُسمى: العابد ونور الزهاد، ويخرج الله من علي ولداً اسمه اسمي، وأشبه الناس بي، يبقر العلم بقراً، وينطق بالحق، ويأمر بالصواب، ويخرج الله من صلبه كلمة الحق ولسان الصدق، فقال له ابن مسعود: فما اسمه يا رسول الله؟ قال: يقال له: جعفر، صادق في قولـه وفعله، الطاعن عليه كالطاعن علي، والراد عليه كالراد علي، ثم دخل حسان بن ثابت وأنشد في رسول الله شعراً وانقطع الحديث، فلما كان من الغد صلَّى بنا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، ثم دخل بيت عائشة ودخلنا معه أنا وعلي بن أبي طالب وعبدالله بن العباس، وكان صلى الله عليه وسلم من دأبه إذا سُئِلَ أجاب، وإذا لم يسأل ابتدأ، فقلت له: بأبي أنت وأمي يا رسول الله، ألا تخبرني بباقي الخلفاء من صلب الحسين؟ قال: نعم يا أبا هريرة -ثم ذكر بقية الأئمة- فقال له علي بن أبي طالب: بأبي أنت وأمي يا رسول الله، من هؤلاء الذين ذكرتهم؟ قال: يا علي، أسامي الأوصياء من بعدك، والعترة الطاهرة، والذرية المباركة، ثم قال صلى الله عليه وسلم: والذي نفس محمد بيده، لو أن رجلاً عبد الله ألف عام ثم ألف عام ما بين الركن والمقام، ثم أتاني جاحداً لولايتهم لأكبه الله في النار كائناً من كان

Abu Huraira (ra) narrated: I was with the prophet PBUH and so was Abu bakr and Umar and al Fadl ibn al Abbas and Zaid bin Harithah and Abdullah ibn Mas'oud, then al-Hussein entered so the Prophet PBUH placed his hand on him and said: Ya Hussein, you are the Imam, son of an Imam and father of the nine pious Imams. Abdullah ibn Mas'oud said: What are these Imams who are supposed to be from the progeny of Hussein? The prophet PBUh lifted his head and said: O Abdullah you have asked for a great thing but I shall tell you that this son of mine -placing his hand on Hussein's shoulder - will be blessed with a boy …(he then mentions some of the Imams)… Then before he could continue all the names, Hassan ibn Thabit enters and recites poetry for the prophet PBUH thus cutting the conversation. the next day in the house of Aisha, Abu Huraira asks about the rest of the names and he tells him about them then Ali ibn Abi Talib asks the prophet PBUH: may my father and mother be sacrifice for you O messenger of Allah, who are these names you've mentioned? He PBUH replied: the names of the successors after you and the pious progeny, he continued saying: By the one who holds my life in his hand if a Man worships Allah a thousand years then another thousand years between "al Rukn wal maqam" then comes to me while denying their Imamah then Allah will throw him in hellfire no matter who he is.

shia sources:

كفاية الأثر: (11)، البحار: (36/312).
Bihar al Anwar 36/312, Kifayat al Athar p11.

1-Ibn Mas'oud forgets again!!!

2-The Shia say that Imamah is the greatest and most important of matters and that the whole world was created for Imamah and Imams yet the Prophet PBUH allowed Hassan ibn Thabit to interrupt him just for reading poetry? That is SO ILLOGICAL!!!

3- Ali (ra) doesn't know anything about Imamah it seems.


CONCLUSION:

When you fabricate so many narrations because you can't prove your religion from the Quran and the Authentic Sunnah then they are bound to conflict and contradict each other.

Salam Aleykum,

[TripolySunni]

Do the Shia follow the Sunnah of the Prophet PBUH?


لا تصلوا إلى قبر ، و لا تصلوا على قبر
الراوي: عبدالله بن عباس المحدث: الألباني - المصدر: السلسلة الصحيحة - الصفحة أو الرقم: 1016
خلاصة حكم المحدث: صحيح

Abdullah ibn Abbas may Allah be pleased with him narrated: The Prophet PBUH said: "Do not pray to a grave and do not pray on a grave".

source: Al-Albani said SAHIH in al Silsilah al Sahiha 1016.

Now watch the Shia as they worship the graves and bow down to them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JnvlblS3Xs

[TripolySunni]

Sending an incomplete Salat? (Al Salat al Batraa).

I like many others have been told by the Shia that the prayer I send upon the Prophet PBUH was incomplete, this was a few years back actually when I didn't know anything about Shiism. What I used to say after mentioning the Prophet's name was "Salla Allahu 'Alayhi wa-Sallam", the Shia I met told me this was incomplete and unacceptable and that the narrations state that I must say "Salla Allahu 'Alayhi wa Alihi wa-Sallam"... So I believed him and started reciting the new one he taught me thinking that I was wrong and I was committing a mistake, it also shook my faith a little back then..
BUT ANYWAYS I was told by one of my friends recently that this wasn't accurate what the Shia had said and that my prayer was not incorrect and unaccepted, He showed me these two videos:

The myth of the incomplete prayer "al Salat al Batraa" 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkQrVwWF4hQ

The myth of the incomplete prayer "al Salat al Batraa" 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGXdlvmm7RM

Basically this saying is found in some book by Ibn Hajar al Haythami called al Sawa'eq al Muhriqa and maybe some other book, Ibn Hajar al Haythami narrated it using "it is said" meaning the narration is weak, there is no narrator actually for this Hadith and there isn't even a chain of transmission to the Prophet PBUH.

here it is:

لا تصلوا علي الصلاة البتراء
translation: It is said that the Prophet PBUH said: Do not make al Salat al batraa (incomplete prayer) on me.

Hadith grading: Baseless lie.

As for what is mentioned in the video that the Shia do not perform the complete and correct prayer, this seems to be true from what I see on their websites.

The average Muslim sends his Salat on Prophet Muhammad PBUH and Prophet Ibrahim PBUH and their "Aal" (Family & followers), the Shia however do not do this.

In the authentic Narrations we read that the Prophet PBUH told us to send send our Salat and Salam on him and his Aal and on Prophet Ibrahim PBUH and his Aal:


اللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ، كَمَا صَلَّيْتَ عَلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ، وَبَارِكْ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّد، كَمَا بَارَكْتَ عَلَى آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، فِي الْعَالَمِينَ، إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِيدٌ

The Prophet PBUH came to the Majlis of Sa'ad bin 'Ubadah so Bachir ibn Sa'ad asked: we know how to make Salam on you and we were ordered to send Salat on you so how do we do this? The Prophet PBUH replied: say: "Allahuma Salli 'Ala Muhammad wa 'Ala Aali Muhammad kama Sallayta 'Ala Ibrahim wa Barik 'Ala Muhammad wa 'Ala Aali Muhammad kama Barkta 'Ala Aali Ibrahim fil Alameen innaka Hamidun Majid."

source:
الموطأ/ 459، صحيح, وابن حبان/ 1958، صحيح.
Muwatta Malik 459, grading: SAHIH.
Ibn Habban 1958, grading: SAHIH.

As you can see there is no mention of "Salat al Batraa" or an incomplete prayer, this thing doesn't exist.

During prayer,
The average Muslim says the Tashahhud in his last Julous:
« attahiyat, al moubara'kat, assalawat attayibat lillah, assalam aleyk ayyou annabi wa rahmatoullah wa bara'katoh assalam aleyna wa ala ibadillah assalihin acha do an la ilah illa Allah wa acha adoan sayyidina mohammad rassoul Allah »

which translates to:
«All worships are for Allah. Allah's peace be upon you, O Prophet, and His mercy and blessings. Peace be on us and on all righteous servants of Allah. I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and messenger»

Then after it we send our Salat to The Prophets Muhammad and Ibrahim PBUT and their Aal in the Ibrahimic prayer:
«Allahoumma salli ala mohammed wa ala ali mohammed kama saleyta ala ibrahim wa ala ali ibrahim wa barik ala mohammed wa ala ali mohammed kama barakta ala ibrahim wa ala ali ibrahim fil alamine. innaka hamidun majid.»

which translates to:
«O Allah, bless our Muhammad and the family/followers of Muhammad As you have blessed Abraham and the family/followers of Abraham. O Allah, be gracious unto Muhammad and the family/followers of Muhammad As you were gracious unto Abraham and the family/followers of Abraham. Surely you are the Most Praiseworthy, the Most Glorious.»

Then we make Tasleem and the prayer is over, we do as the Prophet PBUH instructed in the Authentic narration above at least five times a day during the obligatory prayers.

Now the Shia in their last Julous they say:
"Ash-hadu anna la ilaha illa Allah, wahdahu la shareeka lah, wa ash-hadu anna muhammadan 'abduhu wa-rasuluhu. Allahumma salli ala Muhammadin wa 'ali Muhammed."

which translates to:
"I bear witness that there is no god but Allah the one and only with no partners and I bear witness that Muhammad is his slave and messenger, O Allah send your blessing on Muhammad and the family of Muhammad".

Then they make Tasleem and their prayer is over without mentioning Prophet Ibrahim PBUH and his Aal which makes their Prayer incomplete as the video above rightly describes "Salat al batraa".

In conclusion:

The Shia quote this fabricated Hadith to attack the rest of the Muslims and tell them that their Salat on the Prophet PBUH is incomplete:
"It is said that the Prophet PBUH said: Do not make al Salat al batraa (incomplete prayer) on me."

This Hadith is extremely weak in both Sunni and even Shia books yet they quote it in order to attack others as it suits their desires.

But in reality the Prophet PBUH told us to say in the Authentic narrations which I quoted above:
"O Allah, bless our Muhammad and the family/followers of Muhammad As you have blessed Abraham and the family/followers of Abraham. O Allah, be gracious unto Muhammad and the family/followers of Muhammad As you were gracious unto Abraham and the family/followers of Abraham. Surely you are the Most Praiseworthy, the Most Glorious."

All the average Muslims recite this at least five times a day in obligatory prayers whereas the Shia do not recite this and you can go back to their official website and see for yourself that they do not recite this:
www[DOT]al-islam[DOT]org/encyclopedia/chapter7/6.html

My advice for the Twelver Shia, do not throw pebbles at a Fortress when your house is made out of glass... the little pebble might bounce back and shatter your house.

(Oh and before I end this, if you've seen the second video when The Shia Scholar "Sayyid" Ali Asghar al Modarresi quotes a Hadith from Sahih Bukhari by Abu Hurraira (ra)... that is sooooo pathetic I can't believe they lie to their followers like this, the Hadith isn't there and it wasn't narrated by Abu Hurraira... what a sad pathetic cult these twelvers).

Wal Salamu Aleykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.

[afgnmuslim]

The people them assembled, and the prophet took Ali by the arm and made him stand next to him, and said “O you people, know that what Aaron was to Moses, Ali is to me, except that there shall be no prophet after me” reported both by Bukhari and Muslim.



Salaam,
I apologize if this is a re-post but as a new member, someone who has been studying Shia-Sunni matters for a few months, I could not help myself but to add my thoughts.

The "what Aaron was to Moses" (peace be upon them both) hadith that I was first introduced to, obviously by a Shia brother, did not have the part, "O you people." In other words, what I looked into was more like a dialogue not an announcement, but even if it was an announcement, if put into perspective, it does not change anything. What do I mean by all this? Here it is:

1. What is important is the context of the hadith! I have not looked into Shia hadiths but I hope you know that hadiths have contexts; that was easy, right? The context of this hadith is that when Prophet (saw) left on an expedition with an army of men, he (saw) left Hadhrat Ali (ra) behind to safeguard Madina and families of those left behind, and keep a check on the hypocrites. The hypocrites started whispering amongst themselves that Rasulullah (saw) left Hadhrat Ali (ra) to literally babysit women and children. A man known for his bravery, among all Muslims till this day, who served Islam endlessly, could not bear those words. So he (Hadhrat Ali ra) hurried to meet the Muslim army and informed Rasulullah (saw) of the gossiping back in Madina. Obviously, Rasulullah (saw) was not expecting Hadhrat Ali (ra) to be there, leaving Madina unguarded, but after listening to Hadhrat Ali's (ra) concern, to console him, Rasulullah (saw) said those words.

Now it could have been an announcement but the context cannot be left out because once the context is understood, which either no Shia knows or leaves out (intentionally or unintentionally), things unravel in a different manner.

2. Leaving deputies behind, in those days, was not a big deal. There were many other Sahabas (ra) who were left behind just like Hadhrat Ali (ra) was left behind. Make no mistake, I admire the Sahabas (ra) and make no distinctions between them but I do not want you to somehow insinuate, at a later time, that leaving behind a deputy was a sign of someone being preferred after, or in absence of, Rasulullah (saw).

3. You have identified Hadhrat Haroon (as) and his position to Hadhrat Moosa (as). What you have not shared, or do not know, is that after Hadhrat Moosa (as), it was Hadhrat Yusha (as), or Joshua, who carried Hadhrat Moosa's (as) message. Hadhrat Haroon (as) passed away before Hadhrat Moosa (as). So there is no "after me, you are appointed" deal here......not with this Hadith.......if you learn history!

4. In the Holy Qur'an, Hadhrat Moosa (as) asks for someone to aid him in his task and Allah (swt) appoints his brother, Hadhrat Haroon (as), as his helper.
The only similar situation, during Rasulullah's (saw) time, that I can think of, and if I am wrong please correct me, is the prayer that Rasulullah (saw) made to Allah (swt) to grant him one of the Umars. And within days, Hadhrat Umar (ra) accepted Islam. Funny how my Shia brothers twist verses and leave behind history and context of events to prove something that was not meant to be yet they refuse to accept something that happened and was witnessed by many.....for which one needs to twisting, squeezing, addition or deletion!

5. Lastly, another incident that Shias boast about, and use it to prove Hadhrat Ali's (ra) superiority over other Sahabas, is Hadhrat Ali (ra) sleeping in Rasulullah's (saw) bed when Rasulullah (saw) migrated to Madina. If Hadhrat Ali (ra) slept in his bed, how is that any more risking his life than the man who migrated with Rasulullah (saw)? That man being Hadhrat Abu Bakr (ra)! How was Hadhrat Ali's (ra) sacrifice bigger than Hadhrat Abu Bakr's (ra)? Even the Holy Qur'an testifies of Hadhrat Abu Bakr's (ra) presence in the cave with Rasulullah (saw) and Allah (swt) consoles Hadhrat Abu Bark (ra) through Rasulullah (saw)!

May Allah (swt) reward your efforts for trying to make us see the truth but after what I have mentioned, I pray that you can go and re-evaluate that which you call "truth."

[Irvin]

Hi,
As i seen in the video posted above that is it compulsory to pray for the AL of prophet?
Could anyone make it clear to me?

[TripolySunni]

Cursing the mothers of believers by Shia Grand Ayatullah Sayyid Muhammad al Husseini al Shahroudi:

http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/hanysal/Shahroudi.jpg


سؤال 50 : هل يجوزلعن بعض اُمهات المؤمنين مثل السيدة عائشة لمعصيتها للرسول ولخروجها على إمام زمانها ولإعلانها العداء لأميرالمؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب(عليه السلام) سواء بالتصريح بالاسم علناً أو بالتلميح ؟

Question (50): Is it permissible to curse some of the mothers of believers like Sayyida Aisha for her disobedience to the Prophet and her rebellion on the Imam of her time and for showing enmity for the Ameer al Mumineen Ali bin abi Talib PBUH? cursing should be done by openly stating the name or by just hinting towards her?


الجواب: يجوز لعن كلّ من أعلن العداء لأميرالمؤمنين أو الزهراء أو الأئمة(عليهم السلام)فكيف بمن ظلمهم وحاربهم إلاّ مع خوف تلف النفس وقد ورد أنّ الإمام الصادق (عليه السلام) كان يلعن ثمانية بعد كلّ صلاته (أربعة من الرجال وأربعة من النساء ) .
والسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
قسم الاستفتائات
مكتب آية الله العظمى
السيّد محمّد الحسيني الشاهرودي دام ظله

Answer by Grand Ayatullah Shahroudi: It is permissible to curse everyone who shows enmity towards Ameer al Mumineen or fatima al Zahra or the Imams PBUT so how can we not curse those who oppressed them and fought them? unless there is fear that this may bring you harm and we read that Imam al Sadiq PBUH used to curse eight after each prayer, four men and four women.



Link to his website:
http://www.shahroudi.net/aghayeda/aghayedj1.htm
image:
http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/hanysal/Shahroudi.jpg

[TripolySunni]

Hi,
As i seen in the video posted above that is it compulsory to pray for the AL of prophet?
Could anyone make it clear to me?

Salam Aleykum,

You can open a separate thread for this topic brother but I'll tell you my opinion:

During Julous in the second tashahhud you recite "Al-Ibrahimiya" and in it you have to make Salat on the Prophet Muhammad PBUH and his Aal and Prophet Ibrahim PBUH and his Aal, otherwise your Salat will not be accepted.

As for outside Salat it is favorable that you mention The Aal of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH and The Aal of Prophet Ibrahim PBUH but not compulsory. sometimes when you are speaking quickly or you have a lecture you just settle for "Salla Allahu 'Alayhi wa Sallam".

Don't worry you don't need to recite the entire Ibrahimiyah after saying the Prophet's PBUH name, it's unheard of and the companions used to just say "Salla Allah 'Alayhi wa Sallam" or "Sala Allahu Alayhi wa Alihi wa Sallam".

You can also mention the companions as the Prophet PBUH used to send his Salat on them, here's an example:


سمعت عبد الله بن أبي أوفى ، وكان من أصحاب الشجرة ، قال : كان النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم إذا أتاه قوم بصدقة قال : ( اللهم صل عليهم ) . فأتاه أبي بصدقته فقال : ( اللهم صلى على آل أبي أوفى ) .

Amro bin Murrah al Jahni: I heard Abdullah bin abi Awfa and he was from the companions of the tree, he said: when the people came with the Sadaqah to The Prophet Salla Allahu 'Alayhi wa Sallam he used to say to them: "Allahumma Salli 'Alayhim", When my father came and brought him the Sadaqah he would said: "Allahuma Salli 'Ala Aal abi Awfa".

source: Sahih al Bukhari.

So here the Prophet PBUH is sending Salat upon the companions and the families of the companions.

[kalaam]

Assalamo alaikum
Brother I tried to inbox you, but seems it is not possible. Can I use your material on my website?

[TripolySunni]

Assalamo alaikum
Brother I tried to inbox you, but seems it is not possible. Can I use your material on my website?

Salam Aleykum,

Yes brother you can use any religious material you want on your website, no copyrights in religious materials.

(Mods disabled PMs on this website, also I'd like to see your website)

[wellwisher]

Assalamalaikum akhee tripoly can yopu please ask a question to any shia marj'a from by behalf.(in arabic)

What is the ruling on the person who is jealous of Prophet muhammad(saw) because of the rank Allah(swt) granted him. And is this a sign of Nasb ?

[kalaam]

jazakAllah brother, and I want your articles for this website basically
www.dsunnah.com

though following are also related
shiacult.webnode.com
shiacult.wordpress.com

If you write specific articles on issues for dsunnah, that would be great, I am at Islamic-forum.net website with the same id i.e 'kalaam'

[AbuMuslimKhorasani]

Asalam Alaikum,

Well Done brother Tripoly for the incredible work. May Allah further increase your knoweldge.

[wellwisher]

Some thing really ridiculous about shia narrations regarding their mahdi.


I was just reading an article in shia website regarding their narrations from mahdi, well none of them had a chain, neither the name of the narrator, it really doubt that they contain a chain, and even if they do then 99% sure that all of them will be weak. But i don't want to discuss their authenticity here, lets keep that aside.

But what interesting thing i found in that article was this narration:

سيأتي إلى شيعتي من يدّعي المشاهدة.. ألا فمن ادعي المشاهدة قبلَ خروج السُّفياني والصيحة فهو كذابٌ مُفترٍ، ولا قوّةَ إلا بالله العليّ العظيم. (الاحتجاج للطبرسي ج2 ص478)

There will come to my devotees those who will claim seeing (me). Verily, whosoever claims the seeing before the rising of al-Sofiany and the Cry, is a liar and a forger; and there is no power except with Almighty Allah. (al Ehtejaj Ch.2, P.478)

In the article the shia brought many other narrations from their Mahdi(supposedly) and this is what he mentioned in the beginning:
The following are some of the hadiths in our holy collections from Imam Mahdi (as).

Now what is funny is that, When no one can see Mahdi how could one believe in the all the narration shia present since if a person who comes and says that he heard a narration from Mahdi, it is possible he might have just heard the voice, so why it be the voice of a Jinn or Satan.

[TripolySunni]

Some thing really ridiculous about shia narrations regarding their mahdi.


I was just reading an article in shia website regarding their narrations from mahdi, well none of them had a chain, neither the name of the narrator, it really doubt that they contain a chain, and even if they do then 99% sure that all of them will be weak. But i don't want to discuss their authenticity here, lets keep that aside.

But what interesting thing i found in that article was this narration:

In the article the shia brought many other narrations from their Mahdi(supposedly) and this is what he mentioned in the beginning:

Now what is funny is that, When no one can see Mahdi how could one believe in the all the narration shia present since if a person who comes and says that he heard a narration from Mahdi, it is possible he might have just heard the voice, so why it be the voice of a Jinn or Satan.

سلام

yes that's one narration above but there are many other narrations from the Shia scholars in which they claim seeing him...So it's all Just one Big FAT contradiction.

(There are entire books written by shia scholars about all the occasions in which the Mahdi appeared and helped the Shia)

[TripolySunni]

Salam Aleykum,

A Sahih narration from Ja'afar bin Muhammad al-Sadiq (rah):


بريء الله ممن تبرأ من أبي بكر و عمر

Abu Abdullah Ja'afar bin Muhammad said: "Allah has disassociated himself from those who have disassociated themselves from Abu Bakr and Umar."


قال الذهبي : قلت: هذا القول متواتر عن جعفر الصادق، أشهد بالله إنه لبار في قوله غير منافق لأحد، فقبح الله الرافضة

Hadith Grading: Imam al Dhahabi (rah) said while commenting on the narration: This saying is Mutawatir(100% authentic) from Ja'afar al Sadiq, I bear witness in front of Allah that he is honest in his saying and not lying in front of anyone(Taqqiyah), may Allah increase the Rafidah in ugliness.

source: Siyar A'alam al Nubalaa 6/260.

[AbuMuslimKhorasani]

Salam Aleykum,

A Sahih narration from Ja'afar bin Muhammad al-Sadiq (rah):

Abu Abdullah Ja'afar bin Muhammad said: "Allah has dissociated himself from those who have dissociated themselves from Abu Bakr and Umar."

Hadith Grading: Imam al Dhahhabi (rah) said while commenting on the narration: This saying is Mutawatir(100% authentic) from Ja'afar al Sadiq, I bear witness in front of Allah that he is honest in his saying and not lying in front of anyone(Taqqiyah), may Allah increase the Rafidah in ugliness.

source: Siyar A'alam al Nubalaa 6/260.

الله اکبر

[TripolySunni]

What did Ahlulbayt think of the Caliph of Rassul Allah Abu Bakr al Siddeeq (ra)?


عَنْ جَعْفَرِ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ , عَنْ أَبِيهِ , عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ جَعْفَرِ بْنِ أَبِي طَالِبٍ ، قَالَ : " وَلِيَنَا أَبُو بَكْرٍ الصِّدِّيقُ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ خَيْرُ خَلِيفَةِ اللَّهِ ، وَأَرْحَمَهُ بِنَا وَأَحْنَاهُ عَلَيْنَا "

Ja'afar bin Muhammad (al Sadiq), from his Father Muhammad bin Ali (al Baqir), from Abdullah ibn Ja'afar bin Abi Talib that he said: " Abu Bakr al Siddeeq may Allah be pleased with him became our Caliph and he was the best of the Caliphs of Allah, he was most merciful and most caring towards us. "

sources:
-Fadael al Sahaba by al Darqutni.
-al-Isabah by Ibn Hajar al Asqalani.
-al-Mustadraq 'ala al-Sahihayn by al Hakim.
-Usool I'itiqad ahlulsunnah by al Lalikaee.
-al-Radd 'ala al Rafidah by al Maqdisi.

Hadith grading:
al-Hakim said SAHIH and al-Dhahabi agreed with him, Ibn Hajar al Asqalani said the Hadith has a good chain of narrators.

[TripolySunni]

Two Sahih Narrations by Imam ja'afar bin Muhammad (rah):



عن سالم بن أبي حفصة قال : قال لي جعفر : (( يا سالم – أبو بكر جدي أيسب الرجل جده ؟ قال : وقال لي لا نالتني شفاعة محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم في القيامة إن لم أكن أتولاهما وأبرأ من عدوهما ))

Salim bin abi Hafsah asks the Imam about Abu Bakr and Umar: Ja'afar bin Muhammad told me: "O Salim, Abu Bakr is my grandfather, would a Man insult his own grandfather?" He (Ja'afar) also told me: " May the intersession(Shafa'ah) of Muhammad peace be upon him never reach me on the day of judgement if I am not loyal to them and if I did not disassociate myself from their enemies".

sources:
-Siyar A'alam al Nubalaa (6/258,259) by al Imam al Dhahabi, He said This Isnad is SAHIH in Tareekh al Islam (6/46).
-al-Sunnah by Abdullah (2/558) #1303.
-Usool I'itiqad ahlulsunnah by al Lalkaee (7/1301) #2465.

[TripolySunni]

More Hadiths from the lion of Islam Ali ibn abi Talib may Allah be pleased with him:
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/08/18/khomeini19806_narrowweb__300x450,0.jpg



Ali (ra) rushed to Uthman's (ra) house after the news reached him and he couldn't believe his eyes, he said some harsh words to the young companions guarding the door (including his two children):


كيف قتل عثمان وأنتم على الباب؟ ولطم الحسن، وكان قد جرح

"How did they kill Uthman while you were guarding the door!? and he hit his son al-Hassan even though he was wounded".

source: Ibn abi 'Asem al Ahad wal Thamani 1/125 from "Khilafat Ali" p87.

On that day he said angrily to the people who were present there fully knowing that some of them claimed that He had called for this murder:


تبًا لكم سائر الدهر، اللهم إني أبرأ إليك من دمه أن أكون قتلت أو مالأت على قتله

"May eternal Harm befall you! O Lord I am innocent from his blood, I did not participate nor did I order anyone to Kill him (As they falsely claimed)".

source: Musannaf ibn Abi Shaybah 15/209.
grading: SAHIH


وروى الحاكم بإسناده عن قيس بن عباد قال : سمعت علياً رضي الله عنه الله عنه يوم الجمل يقول : اللهم إني أبرأ إليك من دم عثمان ولقد طاش عقلي يوم قتل عثمان ، وأنكرت نفسي وجاءوني للبيعة ، فقلت والله إني لأستحي من الله أن أبايع قوماً قتلوا رجلاً قال فيه رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم (( ألا استحيي ممن تستحيي منه الملائكة )) وإني لأستحيي من الله أن أبايع وعثمان قتيل على الأرض لم يدفن بعد فانصرفوا ، فما دفن رجع الناس فسألوني البيعة فقلت اللهم إني مشفق مما أقدم عليه ثم جاءت عزيمة فبايعت فلقد قالوا : يا أمير المؤمنين فكأنما صدع قلبي ، وقلت : اللهم خذ مني لعثمان حتى ترضى

al-Hakim narrated with its Isnad from Qays bin Ubad: I heard Ali may Allah be pleased with him say on the Day of Jamal: (( O Lord I seek refuge in you and I am innocent from the blood of Uthman, I had almost lost my mind the day he was murdered, I denied myself and they came to me offering a pledge of allegiance, I said to them: By God I feel shy from Allah that I would receive a pledge of allegiance from those who killed the Man that the Prophet PBUH described as: "Should I not feel shy of a man of whom the angels are shy?", and I feel shy from Allah that I would receive allegiance while Uthman is murdered and still lying on the ground without burial. They left me and came back after he was buried asking me for the Baya'ah(Pledge of allegiance), I said: "O Lord I feel pity from what I am about to do" later came determination and I took the pledge when they said: "O chief of believers" I felt my heart ache and I said: "O Lord take from me and give to Uthman until you are pleased." ))

source:
-al-Mustadrak (3/95) and he said: SAHIH on the condition of Bukhari and Muslim, Imam al Dhahabi agreed with him.
-al-Bidayah wal Nihayah (7/202).
-al-Riyadh al-Nadirah (3/69,70).
-al-Sawa'eq al-Muhriqah p173.

[wellwisher]

Assalamalaikum akhee tripolysunni, can you please locate these narrations in the mentioned SHiA references in Arabic?

When 'Umar passed away and his body was washed and shrouded 'Ali glanced at him and said: I would not love to meet Allah with another person's book of deeds other than this shrouded man's book. ( Ma'nee al Akhbaar by Abi Ja'far al Sudooq pg.412)

If someone was brought to me and he prefers me over Abu Bakr and 'Umar, I would beat him 80 lashes." (Al 'Uyoon wal Mahaasin vol.2 pg.122)

[TripolySunni]

Assalamalaikum akhee tripolysunni, can you please locate these narrations in the mentioned SHiA references in Arabic?

When 'Umar passed away and his body was washed and shrouded 'Ali glanced at him and said: I would not love to meet Allah with another person's book of deeds other than this shrouded man's book. ( Ma'nee al Akhbaar by Abi Ja'far al Sudooq pg.412)

If someone was brought to me and he prefers me over Abu Bakr and 'Umar, I would beat him 80 lashes." (Al 'Uyoon wal Mahaasin vol.2 pg.122)

Salam Aleykum,

First:

على رضي الله عنه وقد دخل على الفاروق رضي الله عنه بعد وفاته وهو مسجى فيقول: لوددت ان القى الله تعالى بصحيفة هذا المسجى ، وفي رواية: إني لأرجو الله ان القى الله تعالى بصحيفة هذا المسجى -
الفصول المختارة ، 58 إرشاد القلوب ، 336 معاني الأخبار ، 412 البحار ، 10/296 ، 28/105 ،117


Second:

"لا أوتى برجل يفضلني على أبي بكر وعمر , إلا جلدته حد المفتري" العيون والمحاسن للمجلسي 2/122-123 .

Brother there are LOADS of Hadiths like these in Shia books but what's the point of quoting them if they'll just tell you they're weak? and it's true they're not lying, all the Hadiths in their books are indeed very weak except maybe 1% or less than that.

here's an example:


سأل رسول الله ربه ان يعز الإسلام بعمر بن الخطاب رضي الله عنه
- نور الثقلين ، 3/267 ا البحار ، 75/12 العياشي ، 2/355 البرهان ، 2/472 الصافي ، 3/246

The Prophet PBUH asked his Lord to strengthen Islam by Umar bin al Khattab may Allah be pleased with him.

Shia sources: Noor al Thaqalayn (3/267), Bihar al Anwar (75/12), Al 'Ayyashi (2/355), Al Burhan (2/472), Al Safi (3/246).

Salam,

[TripolySunni]

al Salamu Aleykum,


أحمد بسنده أيضاً عن محمد بن حاطب قال : سمعت علياً يقول يعني : { إن الذين سبقت لهم منا الحسنى }منهم عثمان


Ahmad with its isnad from Muhammad bin Hatib that he said: "I heard Ali reciting {Surely (as for) those for whom the good reward has already gone forth from Us} [21:101] and he said that from amongst them is Uthman."

Sources: Fadael al Sahaba (1/475) #771 the researcher of the book (Muhaqqiq) said Isnaduhu SAHIH, Ibn Abi 'Asim in his al-Sunnah (2/574) #1216 and Ibn Jareer in his Tafseer (17/75) and al-Zamakhshari in his Mukhtasar Kitab al Muwafaqa p101.

[TripolySunni]

The Mahdi of the Shiites says "No Khums Until I Return"!!!

One of the biggest classical Twelver Shia scholars "al-Saduq" narrates from the 12th Shiite Imam in his book "Kamal al Deen" page 418:



يروي الصدوق في كتاب كمال الدين

عن الكليني عن اسحاق بن يعقوب عن محمد بن عثمان العمري:" وأما الحوادث الواقعة فارجعوا فيها الى رواة حديثنا فانهم حجتي عليكم وأنا حجة الله.. وأما الخمس فقد أبيح لشيعتنا وقد جعلوا منه في حل الى وقت ظهورنا ..". (ص 418)


Translation: Sheikh al-Kulayni from Ishaq bin Ya'aqoub from Muhammad bin Uthman al 'Amri: "As for the incidents that took place then you should go back to those who narrate our Hadiths as they are my Hujja upon you and I am the Hujja of Allah ... As for the Khums it was made legal for our Shia and they are not required to do it until I appear..."

The Narrators according to the Twelver Shiites are:

First Narrator:

Sheikh al Saduq: Trustworthy.

Second Narrator:

Sheikh al Kulayni: Trustworthy.

Third Narrator:

Ishaq bin Ya'aqoub: al Kulayni told us that he received the signature from the Mahdi.

اسحاق بن يعقوب : حدّث الكليني بورود توقيع إليه من صاحب الزمان عجّل اللّه فرجه


we find it here: Al Saduq in Kamal al Deen pages 483-485:

روى الشيخ الصدوق، في كتابه"كمال الدين وتمام النعمة"(1)، عن الشيخ الكليني، عن إسحاق بن يعقوب, قال: سألتُ محمد بن عثمان العمري(السفير الثاني) رضي الله عنه، أن يوصل لي كتاباً قد سألتُ فيه عن مسائل أشكلت عليَّ, فورد التوقيع بخط مولانا صاحب الزمان(عج): "أمَّا ما سألتَ عنه أرشدك الله وثبَّتك, من أمر المنكرين لي, من أهل بيتنا وبني عمنا، فاعلم أنَّه ليس بين الله عز وجل وبين أحد قرابة، ومن أنكرني فليس مني, وسبيلُه سبيلُ ابن نوح(ع). أما سبيل عمي جعفر وولده, فسبيلُ إخوة يوسف(ع)".

al Saduq from al Kulayni from Ishaq bin Ya'aqoub that he said: I asked Muhammad bin 'Uthman al 'Amri(Second representative of the Mahdi) may Allah be pleased with him to provide me a book which solves some of the problems I was facing and he brought it with the signature of Sahib al Zaman(Mahdi): "As for what you have asked may Allah keep you on a steady path and guide you, regarding those who deny me from my Ahlul-bayt and my cousins then know that there is no blood-relations between Allah and anyone, He who denies me is not from me and he takes the path of the son of Nuh(PBUH), as for my uncle Ja'afar and his son then they took the path of the brothers of Yusuf(PBUH)."

NOTE: I also translated this narration as an example to show you that Ishaq ibn Ya'aqoub was from the inner circle of Shia and from the few individuals who were able to come into regular contact with the Mahdi. Also it shows you how according to the Shia The Ahlulbayt were denying the Mahdi and how he makes Takfeer on them.

In another narration the Mahdi says:

إنَّه لم يكن لأحدٍ من آبائي(عم) إلاَّ وقد وَقَعت في عنقه بيعةٌ لطاغيةِ زمانه، وإني أخرج حين أخرج، ولا بيعة لأحدٍ من الطواغيت في عنقي. وأما وجه الانتفاع بي في غيبتي, فكالانتفاع بالشمس إذا غيَّبتها عن الأبصار السحاب، وإني لأمانٌ لأهل الأرض كما أنَّ النجوم أمانٌ لأهل السماء، فأغلقوا باب السؤال عما لا يعنيكم، ولا تتكلفوا علم ما قد كفيتم، وأكثروا الدعاء بتعجيل الفرج، فإن ذلك فرجكم. والسلام عليك يا إسحاق بن يعقوب, وعلي بن اتبع الهدى

"Peace be upon you Ishaq ibn Ya'aqoub and on those who follow the guidance."

Fourth Narrator:

Muhammad ibn 'Uthman al 'Amri: Sheikh Abbas al Qummi says in his biography that he is one of the four special representatives of the Mahdi.

محمد بن عثمان العمري :تعريف موجز
كتب الشيخ عباس القمّي في تعريفه:
أبو حعفر، باب الإمام الهادي عليه السّلام، وهو وكيل الناحية ( المقدّسة ـ أي الإمام المهدي عليه السّلام ـ ) في خمسين سنة، الذي ظهر على يديه من طرف المأمول المنتظر عليه السّلام معاجز كثيرة.. وكان أبو جعفر العَمْريّ ـ محمّد بن عثمان ـ وأبوه أبو عمرو ـ عثمان بن سعيد ـ جميعاً وكيلَينِ من جهة صاحب الزمان عليه السّلام

Hadith is SAHIH according to the Shia containing two of the their biggest scholars and two of the most trustworthy Shia of the Mahdi explicitly stating that Khums should NOT be given until his Return, THEN WHY DO THE SHIA SCHOLARS TAKE IT FROM THEIR FOLLOWERS!?

[TripolySunni]

Salam Aleykum,
Let's post something un-academic for a while:

One of the brothers has a show in which he dresses up as a Shiite scholar (Sheikh Tweeti) and starts making fun of their Fatwas, here's an episode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2lYS6c0Cto

Seems the show is famous from the number of viewers, this ep is around 70,000 views 1,309 likes and only 22 shias dislike it hehe... more from his channel here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/raondy

Salam,

[TripolySunni]

Salam Aleykum,

Relations of the companions (raa):


الحاكم بإسناده إلى أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه أنه لقي الحسن بن علي فقال : رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قَبَّلَ بطنَك فاكشف الموضع الذي قَبَّلَ رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم حتى أُقبله ، قال : وكشف الحسن فقبله
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فكشف عن بطنه ووضع يده على سرته


al-Hakim with its Isnad to Abu Hurairah may Allah be pleased with him that he met al-Hassan bin Ali may Allah be pleased with him and told him: "I saw the messenger of Allah peace be upon him kiss you on the stomach, please reveal that spot he kissed so that I may kiss it as well" al-Hassan then revealed it and he kissed it. (In another narration: He revealed that part placing his hand on his belly so he kissed it).

Source: Mustadrak al-Hakim (3/168) and he said: "Sahih on the condition of Bukhari and Muslim" and Imam al-Dhahabi agreed with him. al-Musnad with fath al-Rabbani (23/167,168) and Ibn Kathir said in al-Bidayah (8/38): "only through Ahmad". al-Haythami in Mujama'a al-Zawaed (9/177) he said: "narrated Ahmad and al-Tabarani, narrators are those of the Sahih except 'Umair bin Ishaq and he is trustworthy".


Salam Aleykum,

[Aydin Zaman]

Salam Aleykum,

Relations of the companions (raa):



al-Hakim with its Isnad to Abu Hurairah may Allah be pleased with him that he met al-Hassan bin Ali may Allah be pleased with him and told him: "I saw the messenger of Allah peace be upon him kiss you on the stomach, please reveal that spot he kissed so that I may kiss it as well" al-Hassan then revealed it and he kissed it. (In another narration: He revealed that part placing his hand on his belly so he kissed it).

Source: Mustadrak al-Hakim (3/168) and he said: "Sahih on the condition of Bukhari and Muslim" and Imam al-Dhahabi agreed with him. al-Musnad with fath al-Rabbani (23/167,168) and Ibn Kathir said in al-Bidayah (8/38): "only through Ahmad". al-Haythami in Mujama'a al-Zawaed (9/177) he said: "narrated Ahmad and al-Tabarani, narrators are those of the Sahih except 'Umair bin Ishaq and he is trustworthy".


Salam Aleykum,

Salaam Aleykom Brother Tripoly Sunni,

Another of the Shias' lies is how they claim Lady Ayesha RA had hatred fro the Ahle Bayt RA. More specifically they say Lady Ayesha RA refused to let al Hassan RA be buried next to the Prophet PBUH. I've read that Ayesha RA actually accepted when al Hossayn RA asked on behalf of his brother.

May you please post any authentic hadith you have clarifying this corrupt belief of the shia?

JazakAllah Khairun Akhi.

[wellwisher]

Salaam Aleykom Brother Tripoly Sunni,

Another of the Shias' lies is how they claim Lady Ayesha RA had hatred fro the Ahle Bayt RA. More specifically they say Lady Ayesha RA refused to let al Hassan RA be buried next to the Prophet PBUH. I've read that Ayesha RA actually accepted when al Hossayn RA asked on behalf of his brother.

May you please post any authentic hadith you have clarifying this corrupt belief of the shia?

JazakAllah Khairun Akhi.

Ibn Al-Atheer narrated about the death of Al-Hasan bin Ali may Allah be pleased at both of them, that “Al-Hussain asked for Aysha’s permission to bury his brother. She gave him the permission.” Al-Kamil, by Ibn Atheer, vol.3, p.315, year.39H

In Al-Este’ab, “When Al-Hasan passed away, Al-Hussain went to Aysha to ask her to bury his brother. She said, “Certainly yes.”” Al-Esti’ab, vol.1, p.392

In Al-Bidayah, “Al-Hussain sent someone to ask Aysha to let him bury his brother. She accepted.” Al-Bidayah wa Al-Nihayah, by Ibn Katheer, vol.8, p.46, year.49H

Comment: Yet we find the shian e dajjal accusing Ayesha(ra) for preventing Hassan(ra) to bury beside prophet(saw). Don’t the shian e dajjal have any shame, to accuse mother of believers fabricating lies against her? Well for the honest readers here is the plain truth. Just see how pleasingly Ayesha(ra) agreed to bury Hassan(ra) in her house.

In “Usd al-Ghaba” 2/15 by Ibn Al-Atheer in the biography of al-Hasan b. Ali, he said:

ولما حضرته الوفاة أرسل إلى عائشة يطلب منها أن يدفن مع النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، فلقد كنت طلبت منها فأجابت إلى ذلك، فلعلها تستحي مني، فإن أذنت فادفني في بيتها، وما أظن القوم، يعني بني أمية، إلا سيمنعونك، فإن فعلوا فلا تراجعهم في ذلك، وادفني في بقيع الغرقد.

فلما توفي جاء الحسين إلى عائشة في ذلك فقالت: نعم وكرامة، فبلغ ذلك مروان وبني أمية فقالوا: والله لا يدفن هنالك أبداً. فبلغ ذلك الحسين فلبس هو ومن معه السلاح، ولبسه مروان، فسمع أبو هريرة فقال: والله إنه لظلم، يمنع الحسن أن يدفن مع أبيه! والله إنه لابن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، ثم أتى الحسين فكلمه وناشده الله، وقال: أليس قد قال أخوك: إن خفت فردني إلى مقبرة المسلمين، ففعل، فحمله إلى البقيع.

In “Tareekh Madinat Dimashqa” 13/289 by Abi Al-qasim Ali b. Al-Hasan Al-Shafie – Dar Al-Fikr (shamela):

أن حسن بن علي بن أبي طالب أصابه بطن فلما عرف بنفسه الموت أرسل إلى عائشة زوج النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم أن تأذن له أن يدفن مع النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم في بيتها فقالت نعم بقي موضع قبر واحد قد كنت احب أن ادفن فيه وأنا اؤثرك به
فلما سمعت بنو أمية ذلك لبسوا السلاح فاستلأموا بها وكان الذي قام بذلك مروان بن الحكم فقال والله لا يدفن عثمان بن عفان بالبقيع ويدفن حسن مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ولبست بنو هاشم السلاح وهموا بالقتال وبلغ ذلك الحسن بن علي فأرسل إلى بني هاشم فقال لهم رسوله يقول لكم الحسن إذا بلغ الأمر هذا فلا حاجة لي به ادفنوني إلى جنب أمي فاطمة بالبقيع فدفن إلى جنب فاطمة ابنة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم

All of these narrations are about how al Hassan (may God be pleased with him) asked for permission to be buried next to the Prophet (pbuh) in al Baqee’ cemetery, and Aisha (may God be pleased with him) said: Yes and it would be an honor. However, when he actually died, Marwan bin al Hakim and some of the Ummayads prevented him from being buried there, and Abu Hurayra (may God be pleased with him) protested, saying this was clear oppression.

Comment: Of course, in Islam we don’t believe that all Ummayads or all Abbassids or Alids or Ottomans were good people. Rather, many of them were downright criminals, as seen above. Unfortunately, sects today think that Muslims defend these kinds of people. And keep in mind that the one who protested was not a companion of Prophet(saw) nor do Ahlesunnah regard consider to be a high ranking personality.

http://youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/part-8-nature-of-relationship-between-ahlebaytra-and-ayeshara/

[TripolySunni]

al Salamu Aleykum,

In Shia books they fabricated this long story of how Aisha (ra) prevented al-Hassan's (ra) burial, Then they have this looong conversation in the Hadith which is ridiculous it's REALLY funny you should read it.

Now listen to this other Shia Hadith they have:

Imam Abu ja'afar PBUH said: "If the devil heard someone mention a name of one of our enemies he would be shaken (From their evil)."

إن الشيطان إذا سمع مناديا ينادي باسم عدو من أعدائنا اهتز واختال

sources: Mustadrak al-Wasael for al-Noori al-Tabrasi 15/132. al-Kafi for Kulayni 6/20. Wasael al Shia for al Hurr al Amili 21/393,398. Jami'i Ahadith al Shia for Barujurdi 21/337. Mawsou'at Ahadith Ahlul-bayt for Hadi al Najafi 12/244.

So you can see how Evil the names of the enemies of ahlul-bayt are that if you mention them even Iblis would shake from how evil they are, and if you ask any Shia today about the names of the enemies of Ahlu-bayt he'll tell you: "Umar, Aisha, Abu bakr, Uthman ect..."

Now here's the thing, it seems Shia Imams like to "Shake the Devil" by naming their own children after their enemies.

-'Aisha bint Musa al Kathim bin Ja'afar al Sadiq (rah):
She is from the daughters of Imam Musa and this was mentioned by many of the Shia scholars including Sheikh al Mufid in his "al-Irshad" page 303, "'Umdat al-Talib" by ibn 'Anbah in the margin of page 266.
Shia scholar Ni'imatullah al Jazaeri writes in his "al-Anwar al Nu'umaniyyah" 1/380: " As for his children he has thirty seven sons and one daughter, from his sons are: Ali al-Reda and ... and his daughter 'Aisha".

al-Testeri has mentioned more from his daughters in the book "Tawarikh al-Nabi wal Aal" pages 125,126:

( فاطمة الكبرى وفاطمة الصغرى ورقية ورقية الصغرى وحكيمة وأم أبيها وأم كلثوم وأم سلمة وأم جعفر ولبانة وعلية وآمنة وحسنة وبريهة وعائشة وزينب وخديجة )

"Fatima al-Kubra, Fatima al-Sughra, Ruqayyah, Ruqayyah al-Sughra, Hakima, Umm Abiha, umm Kulthoum, Umm Salamah, Umm Ja'afar, Lubanah, 'Aliyyah, Aaminah, Hassanah, burayha, 'Aisha, Zeinab and Khadeeja."


-'Aisha bint Ali al-Hadi bin Muhammad al-Jawad (rah):


إحقاق الحق للتستري ج 19 ص 623 :
وكان له خمسة أولاد الإمام الحسن العسكري والحسين ومحمد وجعفر وعائشة فالحسن العسكري أعقب صاحب السرداب الحجة المنتظر ولي الله الإمام محمد المهدي .


Sheikh al-Testeri in his "Ihqaq al-Haqq" 19/623:
"He(Ali al-Hadi) had five children: Imam al-Hassan al-'Askari, al-Hussein, Muhammad, Ja'far and 'Aisha..."


أعيان الشيعة للعاملي ج 2 ص 36 :
ابو الحسن علي الهادي ابن محمد الجواد...اولاده خلف من الأولاد أبا محمد الحسن ابنه الامام من بعده والحسين ومحمدا توفي في حياة ابيه وجعفرا وهو الذي ادعى الامامة بعد وفاة اخيه الحسن العسكري وعرف بجعفر الكذاب وابنته عائشة.


Sheikh al-'Amili in "A'ayyan al Shia" 2/36:
"Abu al-Hassan Ali al-Hadi ibn Muhammad al-Jawad... His children: he had the Imam after him Abu Muhammad al-Hassan and al-Hussein and Muhammad who died during the life of his father and Ja'afar who claimed Imamah after his brother's death and was called the Liar and his Daughter 'Aisha."


دلائل الإمامة للطبري ص 410 :
ذكر ولده ( عليه السلام ) أبو محمد الحسن الامام ( عليه السلام ) ، والحسين ، وجعفر ، ومن البنات ، عائشة.


Sheikh al-Tabari in "Dalael al-Imamah" page 410:
"Mentioning his children: Abu Muhamad al-Hassan the Imam PBUH, al-Hussein, Ja'afar and from the daughters 'Aisha."


AND THERE ARE OTHER 'AISHAS WHICH I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO MENTION TODAY...

regarding the thing brother "Aydin Zaman" mentioned, the other brother has answered with the sources but I wanna try to communicate with the Shias today from an intellectual point of view...Ask them these questions:

1-You Shia claim that al-Hassan went to ask Aisha for permission if he could be buried next to his Grandfather, Does that mean That the Prophet PBUH is buried in her house? You say she used to scheme againt him and try to hurt him and his family and she hated him YET he PBUH goes to her house in order to be nursed and treated in his sickness!? why didn't he instead go to the house of his beloved successor and his daughter to be buried in their house?

2-You Shia say that Aisha is the biggest enemy of ahlul-bayt and that Abu bakr and Umar who are also buried next to the prophet PBUH are enemies of ahlul-bayt YET you want to convince me that al-Hussein felt safe burying his brother in her house? and when he had the power and the Caliphate he didn't think of changing the burial place of his grandfather instead he left him in the house of a Nasibi? how's he even supposed to visit his grave later?

3-You want the Shia to go to Aisha's house and make her house into a shrine and pray in her house although she is a Nasibi according to them? and there are Abu bakr and Umar right next to the Prophet PBUH? how can a Holy shrine have two Nasibis buried in it? the house itself is owned by a Nasibi whom the shia curse day and night.

4-You Shia say that Ali buried Fatima in secret so that no one would know where her grave is and she would be safe YET al-Hassan is buried in front of everyone in the house of the most evil person according to you people?


Salam Aleykum,

[Aydin Zaman]

Salaam Aleykom Dear Brothers.

Thank you so much for your help. May Allah SWT bless you both for your efforts




4-You Shia say that Ali buried Fatima in secret so that no one would know where her grave is and she would be safe YET al-Hassan is buried in front of everyone in the house of the most evil person according to you people?


Also, another interesting thing is that, the shia always point out that Ali RA didn't inform Abu Bekr RA, but since he didn't tell the other Bani Hashem either, does that mean Ali RA also disavowed them as well? Shia logic never ceases to amaze me.

[TripolySunni]

Salaam Aleykom Dear Brothers.

Thank you so much for your help. May Allah SWT bless you both for your efforts



Also, another interesting thing is that, the shia always point out that Ali RA didn't inform Abu Bekr RA, but since he didn't tell the other Bani Hashem either, does that mean Ali RA also disavowed them as well? Shia logic never ceases to amaze me.

Actually Shia books are full of narrations of where she was buried so am not sure it's a secret anymore LOL

here:



الأقوال في موضع دفنها ثلاثة :

1- أنها مدفونة في منزلها 2- مدفونة في الروضة 3- مدفونة في البقيع .

ولقد توصلت إلى أن الرأي الصحيح المشهور لدى علمائنا المحقيقين هو أنها مدفونة في منزلها ؟

ولا تزال ترد بعض الأسئلة حول الموضوع فلأجل التوضيح أكثر لخصت ذلك البحث وأزدت عليه بعض التحقيقات وذكرت بعض أسماء علمائنا المحقيقين والفقهاء المعظمين الذين قالوا أنها مدفونة في منزلها ولم أذكرهم في أصل البحث وإليك ذلك والله الهادي إلى سواء السبيل :

القول الأول أن فاطمة عليها السلام مدفونة في منزلها :

القول الأول أن فاطمة عليها السلام قد دفنت في منزلها ولم تخرج من حجرتها المعظمة وهذا هو الرأي الصحيح الذي دلت عليه الروايات المتعددة ومنها صحيحة البزنطي وهو المعتمد عليه من قبل الأئمة عليهم السلام ومن قبل علمائنا المحققين .

أقوال الأئمة عليهم السلام

1- قول الإمام الباقر عليه السلام

فقد روى ابن شبّه النميري البصري المتوفى 262هـ في كتابه تاريخ المدينة بسنده عن الإمام محمد بن علي الباقر عليه السلام قال :

(( دفن عليٌّ فاطمة رضي الله عنها ليلاً في منزلها الذي دخل في المسجد ، فقبرها عند باب المسجد ( [1] ) المواجه دار أسماء بنت حسين بن عبدالله بن عبيدالله بن عباس )) ( [2] ). وهذه الرواية إنما نعتمد عليها ونأخذ بها لأنها موافقة للروايت الصحيحة عندنا ، ومخالفة للروايات المشهورة عند العامة وابن شبّه لم يختر هذا القول حيث اختار الدفن في البقيع كما علق على هذا الخبر ، ونحن نأخذ بما روى وندع ما رأى .



2- قول الإمام الصادق عليه السلام

روى عبد الله بن جعفر الحميري عن أحمد بن محمد بن نصر البزنطي قال : سألت الرضا عليه السلام عن فاطمة بنت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله أي مكان دفنت ؟

فقال : سأل رجل جعفراً عليه السلام عن هذه المسألة - وعيسى بن موسى حاضر - فقال له عيسى : دفنت في البقيع .

فقال الرجل : ما تقول ؟

فقال : قد قال لك .

فقلت له : أصلحك الله ، ما أنا وعيسى بن موسى ؟ أخبرني عن آبائك ! .

فقال : دفنت في بيتها . [3]

وروى ابن شبّه أيضا بسنده عن جعفر بن محمد عليه السلام أنه كان يقول :

(( قُبِرَت فاطمة رضي الله عنها في بيتها الذي أدخله عمر بن عبدالعزيز في المسجد ))( [4] ).

وقال ابن شبّه بعد هذا الخبر وبعد أن نقل الروايات التي تقول أنها دفنت في البقيع والروايات الأخرى التي تقول أنها دفنت في منزلها :

" فهذا ما حدثني به أبو غسان في قبر فاطمة ، ووجدت كتاباً كتب عنه يذكر فيه أن عبد العزيز بن عمران كان يقول : إنها دفنت في موضع فراشها ، ويحتج بأنها دفنت ليلاً ، ولا يعلم بها كثير من الناس " ( [5] ).

3- قول الإمام الرضا عليه السلام

روى الشيخ الطوسي بسند صحيح عن أحمد بن محمد بن أبي نصر البزنطي قال : سألت أبا الحسن ( الرضا ) عليه السلام عن قبر فاطمة عليها السلام ؟

فقال : دفنت في بيتها ، فلما زادت بنو أمية في المسجد صارت في المسجد ) ( [6] ).

فقد رواها الشيخ الطوسي في التهذيب عن محمد بن أحمد بن يحيى الأشعري عن البزنطي وطريق الشيخ إلى الأشعري صحيح بالاتفاق [7]

أقول : وصححه المجلسي في ملاذ الأخيار ج 5 ص 481

وروى هذه الرواية أيضاً الشيخ الكليني في الكافي ج 1 ص 461 كتاب الحجة باب مولد الزهراء فاطمة عليها السلام حديث 9 ورواه الشيخ الصدوق في كتبه من لا يحضره الفقيه ج1 ص 229 باب فضل المساجد باب 37 حديث 684 مرسلا وعيون أخبار الرضا ج 1 ص 278 حديث 76 باب 28فيما جاء عن الإمام علي بن موسى عليهما السلام من أخبار متفرقة وفي معاني الأخبار ص 268 وفي السند سهل بن زياد الآدمي وعنهم الحر العاملي بأسانيد مختلفة [8]

4- قول الإمام الهادي عليه السلام

قال : السيد ابن طاووس في الإقبال وأنها مدفونة مع أبيها : " ماسئل عنه مولانا علي بن محمد الهادي عليه السلام قال فيه ماهذا لفظه ، أبو الحسن ابراهيم بن محمد الهمداني قال : ( كتبت إليه إن رأيت أن تخبرني عن بيت أمك فاطمة عليها السلام ، أهي في طيّبة أوكما يقول الناس في البقيع ؟

فكتب هي مع جدي صلى الله عليه وآله ) .

قلت أنا : وهذا النص كاف في أنها عليها السلام مع النبي صلى الله عليه وآله " ([9]) انتهى كلام السيد ابن طاووس :

وكلمة ( الناس ) التي جائت في الرواية هي اشارة من الأئمة وأتباعهم يريدون بها غير الموالين لهم فهذه الرواية تكشف عن وجود محاولة من غير الموالين لأهل البيت على الإصرار أنها مدفونة في البقيع ، ولكن الإمام يؤكد أنها مدفونة بجوار أبيها عليهما أفضل الصلاة والسلام

الرأي الصحيح لعلمائنا :

وأكثر علمائنا على هذا القول وأنها مدفونة في منزلها وأن هذا القول هو الصحيح ، وإليك بعض أسمائهم :

1- الشيخ الصدوق المتوفى 381 هـ قال :

( اختلفت الروايات في موضع قبر فاطمة سيدة نساء العالمين عليها السلام :

أ – فمنهم من روى أنها دفنت في البقيع .

ب – ومنهم من روى أنها دفنت بين القبر والمنبر وأن النبي ( ص ) إنما قال : ما بين قبري ومنبري روضة من رياض الجنة لان قبرها بين القبر والمنبر .

ج – ومنهم روى أنها دفنت في بيتها فلما زادت بنو أمية في المسجد صارت في المسجد.

وهذا هو الصحيح عندي ، وإني لما حججت بيت الله الحرام كان رجوعي على المدينة بتوفيق الله عز وجل فلما فرغت من زيارة النبي ( ص ) قصدت إلى بيت فاطمة عليها السلام وهو عند الاسطوانة التي يدخل إليها من باب جبرئيل عليه السلام إلى مؤخر الحظيرة التي فيها النبي ( ص ) ، فقمت عند الحظيرة ويساري إليها وجعلت ظهري إلى القبلة واستقبلتها بوجهي وأنا على غسل … ( [10] ).

فالشيخ الصدوق بالرغم من أنه نقل أن الروايات المتعددة ولذلك صارت الأقول ثلاثة إلا أن الرواية الصحيحة عنده هي التي صرحت أن قبرها في منزلها ويشير بذلك إلى صحيحة البزنطي عن الإمام الرضا عليه السلام- المتقدمة - .

وفي معاني الأخبار ص 268 بعد أن نقل مرسلة ابن أبي عمير المتقدمة قال : والصحيح عندي في موضع قبر فاطمة عليها السلام ما حدثنا به أبي – رحمه الله – قال حدثني محمد بن يحيى العطار قال : حدثني سهل بن زياد الآدمي عن أحمد بن محمد بن أبي نصر البزنطي قال : قال سألت أبا الحسن علي بن موسى الرضاعليه السلام عن قبر فاطمة صلوات الله عليها فقال دفنت في بيتها فلما زادت بنو أمية في المسجد صارت في المسجد .

2- السيد ابن طاووس :

ومن علمائنا الذين أصروا على أنها قد دفنت في منزلها ولم تخرج منه هو السيد رضي الدين ابن طاووس المتوفى سنة 664 هـ قال في كتابه الإقبال :

" والظاهر أن ضريحها المقدس في بيتها المكمّل بالآيات والمعجزات لأنها أوصت أن تدفن ليلا ولا يصلي عليها من كانت هاجرة لهم الى حين الممات وقد ذكر حديث دفنها وستره عن الصحابة ، البخاري ومسلم فيما شهدا أنه من صحيح الروايات ، ولوكان أخرجت جنازتها الطاهرة الى بقيع الغرقد أو بين الروضة والمنبر في المسجد ما كان يخفى آثار الحفر والعمارة عمن كان قد أراد كشف ذلك بأدنى اشارة ؛ فاستمرار ستر حال ضريحها الكريم يدل على أنها ما أخرجت من بيتها أوحجرت والدها الرؤوف الرحيم ويقتضي أن يكون دفنها في البيت الموصوف بالتعظيم كما قدمناه " ( [11] ) .

3- محمد ابن إدريس الحلي المتوفى 598هـ

قال في السرائر : ( وقد روي أن فاطمة عليها السلام مدفونة هناك – أي في الروضة – وقد روي أنها مدفونة في بيتها وهو الأظهر في الروايات ، وعند المحصلين من أصحابنا إلا أنه لما زاد بني أمية في المسجد صارت فيه ، وروي أنها مدفونة بالبقيع ويعرف ببقيع الفرقد ، وهو شجر مثل العوسج ، وحبه أشد حمرة من حبه ، وهذه الرواية بعيدة عن الصواب ) [12]

4- يحيى بن سعيد الحلي المتوفى 690 هـ

قال في الجامع للشرائع : ( ويزور فاطمة عليها السلام من هناك – أي من الروضة – فروي أنه مدفونة فيه . وروي في بيتها وهو الأصح ، وروي أنها في البقيع ، وهو بعيد ) [13]

5- وربما يظهر هذا القول من العلامة الحلي المتوفى 726 هـ في تحرير الأحكام ص 131 طبع قديم ومنتهى المطلب ج 2 ص 889 طبع قديم حيث حكى فيهما رأي الطوسي والصدوق بدون تعليق .

6- وربما يظهر هذا القول من الشهيد الثاني المستشهد عام 965 هـ حيث قال في المسالك ج 2 ص 383 قال :

( وقد روي أن قبرها عليه السلام بالروضة ، فلذلك استحب المصنف [ يعني المحقق الحلي ] زيارتها من عندها . ويظهر من تخصيصها اختياره ذلك .

وقد روي أن قبرها بيتها خلف أبيها صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم ، وهو الآن في داخل المسجد ، وهو الذي اعتمد عليه الصدوق – رحمه الله – وجماعة .

وروي أنه بالبقيع . وسبب خفائه دفن علي عليه السلام لها ليلا من غير أن يشعر بها أحداً ؛ فينبغي زيارتها في المواضع الثلاثة ، وأفضلها بيتها .

وأبعد الإحتمالات كونها في الروضة ) .

7- السيد محمد بن علي الموسوي العاملي صاحب المدارك المتوفى 1009هـ :

قال في كتابه المدارك : " والأصح أنها دفنت في بيتها ، لما رواه الشيخ في الصحيح عن أحمد بن محمد بن أبي نصر ...... " ( [14] ).

8- المحدث محمد محسن الفيض الكاشاني المتوفى 1091 هـ قال في مفاتيح الشرائع ج 1 ص 398 مفتاح 448 ( وأن يزور فاطمة عليها السلام في بيتها وفي الروضة وفي البقيع ، وفي الصحيح : أنها دفنت في بيتها ، فلما زادت بنو أمية في المسجد صارت في المسجد )

فعين موضع الدفن في منزلها مع تعدد الزيارة في الأماكن الثلاثة .

9- العلامة المجلسي المتوفى 1111هـ :

قال : في كتاب المزار من البحار بعد نقل الأخبار المختلفة : ( الأظهر أنها صلوات الله عليها مدفونة في بيتها وقد قدمنا الأخبار في ذلك ولعل ، خبر ابن أبي عمير محمول على توسعة الروضة بحيث تشمل بيتها ويؤيده ما تقدم في زيارة النبي صلى الله عليه وآله من خبر جميل ...... ) [15]

وقال العلامة المجلسي في حياة فاطمة الزهراء عليها السلام :" قد بينا في كتاب المزار أن الأصح أنها مدفونة في بيتها"( [16] ).

وقال في ملاذ الأخيار ج 9 ص 23 ( الأظهر أنها صلوات الله عليها مدفونة في بيتها كما يظهر من الأخبار ) وفي ج 5 ص 481 صحح خبر دفنها في منزلها .

10- صاحب الرياض السيد علي الطباطبائي المتوفى في 1232 هـ حيث قال في رياض المسائل ج 7 ص 166 كتاب الحج بعد أن حكى القولين الأوليين أنها دفنت في الروضة والبقيع ، قال :

( والأصح وفاقاً للصدوق وجماعة أنها دفنت في بيتها ، وهو الآن داخل المسجد ، للصحيح : عن قبر فاطمة عليها السلام ؟

(( فقال : دفنت في بيتها ، فلما زادت بنو أمية في المسجد صارت في المسجد ))

وحملت الروايتان السابقتان على التقية ، مع عدم وضوح سندهما .

ولكن الأحوط زيارتها في المواضع الثلاثة كما في القواعد والدروس وغيرهما خصوصاً في بيتها ، ومن عند الروضة وهي بين القبر والمنبر ، كما ذكره الشيخ وغيره ) .

ويتضح من كلام السيد صاحب الرياض :

أ- أن مرسلة ابن أبي عمير التي فسرت بالدفن في الروضة والرواية الأخرى التي تقول بالدفن في البقيع محمولتان على التقية

ب- نص على أن قبرها في منزلها بلا تردد لصحيحة البزنطي .

ج- أنه فرق بين الزيارة والدفن فتزار في المواضع الثلاثة ولا يوجد هناك تناف في ذلك وإن كانت مدفونة في منزلها .

11- الميرزا حسين النوري المتوفى 1320 هـ في مستدرك الوسائل ج 10 ص 210 كتاب الحج باب 14 من أبواب المزار حيث اقتصر على نقل كلام السيد ابن طاووس في الإقبال ورواية الحميري في قرب الإسناد . اللذان يدلان على القول الأول وقد تقدم الحديث فيهما .

12- السيد محسن الأمين صاحب أعيان الشيعة المتوفى 1371 هـ

قال : واختلف في موضع دفنها فقيل دفنت في بيتها وهو الأصح الذي يقتضيه الاعتبار . وقيل دفنت بالبقيع وسوى علي عليه السلام حول قبرها قبوراً مزورة حتى لا يعرف أحد موضعه .[17]

وقال في مفتاح الجنات ج 2 ص 20 تحت عنوان : موضع قبرها الشريف

( وقد اختلف العلماء في محل قبرها الشريف فقيل في الروضة بين القبر والمنبر ، وقيل في البقيع عند أئمة البقيع ، وقيل في بيتها وهو الأصح )

13- وقال الشيخ عباس القمي المتوفى 1359هـ بعد أن نقل القولين الأوليين قال : (( والبعض قال : أنها دفنت في منزلها وهو أصح الأقوال حيث دلت على ذلك الروايات الصحيحة )) ( [18] ).

وقال في منتهى الآمال : ( وقع الخلاف في قبرها عليها السلام قيل إنه بالبقيع جنب قبور الأئمة عليهم السلام وقيل إن قبرها بين قبر رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وبين منبره لقوله : بين قبري ومنبري روضة من رياض الجنة . وقيل إنها دفنت في بيتها وهذا أصح الأقوال كما تدل عليه الروايات الصحيحة ) [19]

وان كان في المفاتيح رجح زيارتها في خصوص الروضة أو في المواضع الثلاثة - . مما يدل على عدم التنافي بين القول بدفنها في منزلها ، والقول بزيارتها في الروضة أو في المواضع الثلاثة .

14- ويظهرهذا القول من السيد أحمد الخونساري المتوفى في جامع المدارك ج 2 ص 554 حيث قال : وفي صحيح البزنطي الذي رواه المشايخ الثلاثة بل رواه الصدوق منهم في الفقيه والعيون ومعاني الأخبار (( سألت أبا الحسن الرضا عليه السلام عن قبر فاطمة عليها السلام قال : دفنت في بيتها فلما زادت بنو أمية في المسجد صارت في المسجد ))

هذا رأي علماء الشيعة في دفن السيدة الصديقة الطاهرة فاطمة الزهراء عليها السلام في منزلها .

وقال بعض علماء السنة أيضا أنها مدفونة في منزلها منهم العز بن جماعة وقال : إنه أظهر الأقوال ، وهو أنه في بيتها ، وهو مكان المحراب الخشب اللذي داخل مقصورة الحجرة الشريفة من خلفها ، وقد رأيت خدام الحجرة يجتنبون دَوْس ما بين المحراب المذكور وبين الموضوع المزور من الحجرة الشريفة الشبيه بالمثلث ، ويزعمون أنه قبر فاطمة رضي الله عنها [20]

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القول الثاني أنها مدفونة في الروضة :

ذكر ذلك في رواية مرسلة لمحمد بن أبي عمير عن بعض أصحابنا عن أبي عبدالله عليه السلام قال : (( قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله : ما بين قبري ومنبري روضة من رياض الجنة ، ومنبري على تُرعة من تُرع الجنة ، لأن قبر فاطمة صلوات الله عليها بين قبره ومنبره ، وقبرها روضة من رياض الجنة وإليه ترعة من ترع الجنة )).[21]

وقال الصدوق بعد نقله لهذا الحديث : ( روي هذا الحديث هكذا وأوردته لما فيه من ذكر المعنى ، والصحيح عندي في موضع قبر فاطمة عليها السلام ما حدثنا به أبي ...... ) [22] ثم ذكر صحيحة البزنطي المتقدمة

من قال به من علمائنا :

1- الشيخ المفيد : وكونها مدفونة في الروضة هو صريح كلام الشيخ المفيد حيث قال : ( ثم قف بالروضة ، وزر فاطمة عليها السلام فإنها هناك مقبورة )( [23] ).

2- وربما يظهر هذا القول من الشيخ الطوسي في النهاية ص 287 كتاب الحج حيث قال ( ويستحب أن يصلي ما بين القبر والمنبر ركعتين فإن فيه روضة من رياض الجنة . وقد روي أن فاطمة عليها السلام مدفونة هناك . وقد روي أنها مدفونة في بيتها . وقد روي أنها مدفونة في البقيع . وهذا بعيد . والروايتان الأوليان أشبه وأقرب إلى الصواب . وينبغي أن يزور فاطمة عليها السلام من عند الروضة ) .

3- الفتال النيسابوري الشهيد في سنة 508 هـ : نقل عن بعض الأصحاب أنهم قالوا " ليس قبرها بالبقيع ، إنما قبرها بين رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله ومنبره لا ببقيع الغرقد وتصحيح ذلك قوله عليه السلام : (( مابين قبري ومنبري روضة من رياض الجنة )) انما أراد بهذا القول قبر فاطمة عليها السلام "( [24]).

4- المحقق الحلي :

قال : ( يستحب أن تزار فاطمة عليها السلام عند الروضة ) ( [25] ).

5- الطبري الإمامي في كتابه دلائل الإمامة :

قال و روي أنها قبضت لعشر بقين من جمادى الآخرة و قد كمل عمرها يوم قبضت ثماني عشرة سنة و خمسة و ثمانين يوما بعد وفاة أبيها ؛ فغسلها أمير المؤمنين و لم يحضرها غيره و الحسن و الحسين و زينب و أم كلثوم و فضة جاريتها و أسماء بنت عميس أخرجها إلى البقيع ليلا و معه الحسنان و صلى عليها و لم يعلم بها و لا حضر وفاتها و لا صلى عليها أحد من سائر الناس غيرهم

و دفنها في الروضة و عفى موضع قبرها و أصبح البقيع ليلة مدفنها فيه أربعون قبرا جديدا و لما علم المسلمون بوفاتها جاءوا إلى البقيع فوجدوا فيه أربعون قبرا فأشكل عليهم قبرا من سائر القبور فضج الناس و لام بعضهم بعضا و قالوا لم يخلف فيكم نبيكم إلا بنتا واحدة تموت و تدفن و لم تحضر وفاتها و لا دفنها و لا الصلاة عليها بل و لم تعرفوا قبرها

فقال ولاة الأمر منهم هاتوا من نساء المسلمين من ينبش هذه القبور حتى نجدها فنصلي عليها و نعين قبرها فبلغ ذلك أمير المؤمنين فخرج مغضبا قد احمرت عيناه و درت أوداجه و عليه القباء الأصفر الذي كان يلبسه في الكريهة و هو يتوكأ على سيفه ذي الفقار حتى أتى البقيع فسار إلى الناس من أنذرهم و قال هذا علي قد أقبل كما ترونه و هو يقسم بالله لئن حول من هذه القبور حجر ليضعن السيف في رقاب الآمرين

فتلقاه الرجل و من معه من أصحابه و قال له ما لك يا أبا الحسن و الله لننبش قبرها و نصلي عليها فأخذ علي بجوامع ثوبه ثم ضرب به الأرض

و قال يا ابن السوداء أما حقي فقد تركته مخافة ارتداد الناس عن دينهم و أما قبر فاطمة فو الذي نفس علي بيده لئن رمت أنت أو أصحابك شيئا لأسقين الأرض من دمائكم فإن شئت فافعل يا ثاني

و جاء الأول و قال له يا أبا الحسن بحق رسول الله و بحق فاطمة إلا خليت عنه فإنا لسنا فاعلين شيئا تكرهه فخلى عنه و تفرق الناس و لم يعودوا إلى ذلك [26]

أقول الرواية عليها عدة ملاحظات :

1- مرسلة فلا اعتماد عليها

2- التناقض في مضمونها فمرة تقول خرجوا بها إلى البقيع ودفنت ومرة تقول دفنت في الروضة وعفي أثر القبر .

3- إذا كان الإمام على استعداد لأن يسقي الأرض من دمائهم فلا حاجة إلى تعدد القبور والتزوير كما تقول الرواية

4- هذه الرواية إذا حملناها على الدفن في البقيع تكون مخالفة لما تقدم من الروايات عن أهل البيت عليهم السلام ولأقوال علمائنا أجمع وقد قال الشيخ الطوسي ( وأما من قال أنها دفنت في البقيع فبعيد عن الصواب )( [27] ).

5- أن كلمة الأول والثاني والإشارة بها إلى بعض الصحابة اصطلاح متأخر ولم يكن مستعملا في زمان أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام ، وهذه الرواية تتحدث على لسانه .

6- الكفعمي : الشيخ تقي الدين إبراهيم بن علي العاملي الكفعمي المتوفى 900 هـ

ربما يظهر منه في البلد الأمين والمصباح حيث ذكر أنها تزار في الروضة . حيث قال : تأتي البقيع فزر فاطمة عليها السلام .......

وقال : زيارة أخرى لها عليها السلام قف بالروضة وقل .....

انظر البلد الأمين ص 394





7- وقال الشيح عباس القمي في المفاتيح : ( ثم زر فاطمة عليها السلام من عند الروضة .

واختلف في موضع قبرها فقال قوم : هي مدفونة في الروضة ، أي ما بين القبر والمنبر ، وقال آخرون في بيتها ، وقالت فرقة ثالثة : انها مدفونة بالبقيع .

والذي عليه أكثر أصحابنا أنها تزار من عند الروضة ، ومن زارها في هذه الثلاثة مواضع كان أفضل ) ( [28] ) .وقد تقدم أنه رجح الدفن في منزلها .

بين الدفن والزيارة :

قد خلط كثير بين موضع زيارتها وبين موضع دفنها حيث أن الأول أعم

ومجرد ترجيح زيارتها في موضع معين كالروضة ، أو في المواضع الثلاثة أو الموضعين لا يدل على دفنها في خصوص ذلك المكان ، خصوصا مع عدم التمكن من زيارتها في منزلها المدفونة فيه أو لأنه وقع في المسجد . وقد قال الشيخ الطوسي ( .... والأفضل عندي أن يزور الإنسان من الموضعين جميعاً فإنه لا يضره ذلك ويحوز به أجراً عظيماً ، وأما من قال أنها دفنت بالبقيع فبعيد من الصواب ) ( [29] ).

وأنت ترى أن هذا القول قلّ من قال به من أصحابنا ، والذي عليه أكثر أصحابنا هو القول الأول وأنها دفنت في منزلها .



ورفض أكثر علمائنا أنها في الروضة منهم :

1- الشيخ الصدوق معلقاً على الرواية المتقدمة فقال : ( قد روى هذا الحديث هكذا وأوردته لما فيه من ذكر المعنى ، والصحيح عندي في موضع قبر فاطمة عليها السلام ما رواه أبي …) ( [30] )

وقد تقدمت صحيحة البزنطي في القول الأول .

2– السيد ابن طاووس :

فأن هذا القول استبعده علماؤنا المحققون ، وأنه لا يتناسب أن تدفن في هذا الموضع من المسجد كما فصل ذلك السيد ابن طاووس في ( الاقبال )

3- ورد هذا القول الشهيد الثاني المستشهد عام 965 هـ حيث قال في المسالك ج 2 ص 383 قال : ( وأبعد الإحتمالات كونها في الروضة ) .

وأبطل كونها في الروضة في حاشيته على القواعد للعلامة كما أشار إلى ذلك في كشف اللثام ج 1 ص 382 طبع قديم

ما دل على كون بيتها أفضل من الروضة :

فإن مستند القول الثاني في دفنها في الروضة هو الأفضلية لتلك البقعة فينتفي هذا القول بعد أن ثبت أن بيتها أفضل من الروضة ويتعين دفنها في منزلها .

بيتها أفضل :

فقد وردت الروايات المتعددة ومنها الصحيحة أن بيت علي وفاطمة أفضل من الروضة كما في صحيحة يونس بن يعقوب قال قلت لأبي عبدالله عليه السلام : (( الصلاة في بيت فاطمة عليها السلام أفضل أو في الروضة ؟

قال : في بيت فاطمة عليها السلام))( [31] ).

فهذه الصحيحة تدل على أن منزلها أفضل من الروضة ولا مجال للقول حينئذ بدفنها في الروضة ، بعد أن كان منزلها روضة من رياض الجنة ؛ فبيتها من البيوت التي أذن الله أن ترفع ويذكر فيها اسمه .



المترددون بين الدفن في منزلها أو الروضة :

1- الشيخ الطوسي المتوفى 460 هـ :

قال الطوسي : "وقد اختلف اصحابنا في موضع قبرها :

فقال بعضهم : إنها دفنت بالبقيع.

وقال بعضهم إنها دفنت في الروضة .

وقال بعضهم إنها دفنت في بيتها ، فلما زاد بنو أمية لعنهم الله في المسجد صارت من جملة المسجد .

وهاتان الروايتان كالمتقاربتين والأفضل عندي أن يزور الإنسان من الموضعين جميعاً فإنه لا يضره ذلك ويحوز به أجراً عظيماً ، وأما من قال أنها دفنت بالبقيع فبعيد من الصواب ( [32] ).

والشيخ الطوسي وإن قال بزيارتها في الروضة ومنزلها لأجل أن يتعدد الثواب لتعدد الزيارة في الموضعين إلا أنه هو الذي روى الرواية الصحيحة على دفنها في منزلها .

وقال في المصباح : ثم زر فاطمة عليها السلام من عند الروضة ، واختلف في موضع قبرها فقال قوم : مدفونة في الروضة ، وقال آخرون : في بيتها ، وقال فرقة ثالثة : هي مدفونة بالبقيع والذي عليهع أكثر أصحابنا أن زيارتها من عند الروضة ، ومن زارها في الثلاث الموضع كان أفضل [33]

ففي التهذيب قال بزيارتها في موضعين بينما هنا قال بزيارتها في ثلاث موضع ، وقال هناك أن الأفضل ويحصل ثواب أكثر والطبرسي – كما سوف يأتي- قال:

2- الشيخ أبو علي الفضل بن الحسن الطبرسي المتوفى 548هـ صاحب مجمع البيان في كتابه إعلام الورى بأعلام الهدى ص 186 .

قال : ( وأما موضع قبرها فاختلف فيه فقال بعض أصحابنا : إنها دفنت بالبقيع ، وقال بعضهم : إنها دفنت في بيتها فلما زادت بنوا أمية في المسجد صارت في المسجد ؛ وقال بعضهم : إنها دفنت فيما بين القبر والمنبر وإلى هذا أشار النبي صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم بقوله : ما بين قبري ومنبري روضة من رياض الجنة .

والقول الأول بعيد ، والقولان الآخران أشبه وأقرب إلى الصواب ، فمن استعمل الاحتياط في زيارتها زارها في المواضع الثلاثة ) [34]

4- ابن شهر آشوب : قال : قال أبو جعفر الطوسي الأصوب أنها مدفونة في دارها أو في الروضة ؛ يؤيد قوله قول النبي صلى الله عليه وآله ( بين قبري ومنبري روضة من رياض الجنة ) [35]

الجمع بين القولين

ويمكن الجمع بين القول الثاني أنها مدفونة في الروضة والقول الأول أنها مدفونة في منزلها من أن الجميع روضة

فقد روى الكليني في الصحيح عن عبد الله بن مسكان عن أبي بصير – والظاهر أنه ليث المرادي – عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال : حد الروضة في مسجد الرسول صلى الله عليه وآله إلى طرف الظلال ، وحد المسجد إلى الأسطوانتين عن يمين المنبر إلى الطريق مما يلي سوق الليل ) [36]

و قال صاحب المدارك : والروضة جزء من مسجد النبي صلى الله عليه وآله وهي ما بين قبره ومنبره إلى طرف الظل ) [37]

قال صاحب الجواهر : ( ولعل ذلك يكون وجه جمع بين الخبرين ) [38] يعني صحيحة البزنطي ومرسلة ابن أبي عمير

وذلك بتعيين حدود الروضة وأنها شاملة لمنزل فاطمة عليها السلام كما احتمله أيضاً العلامة المجلسي . [39]

والنتيجة أنها مدفونة في منزلها ويطلق عليه روضة .



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القول الثالث أنها مدفونة في البقيع

قال به قلة من علمائنا وأكثر علماء السنة منهم :

1- ابن سعد في الطبقات الكبرى

2- ابن شبّه النميري البصري المتوفى 262هـ في كتابه تاريخ المدينة ونقل روايات متعدة ومختلفة في موضع قبرها وأنها دفنت في منزلها أو في البقيع واختار أنها دفنت في البقيع . وقلده من تأخر عنه منهم .

3- ابن حجر في الإصابة ج 8 ص 268 رقم 11587

4- الذهبي في تاريخ الاسلام على ما حكي عنه

5- نور الدين علي بن أحمد السمهودي المتوفى 911 هـ في وفاء الوفاء ج 2 ص 906 حيث قال : ويتلخص مما تقدم أن المعتمد أن قبرها بالبقيع عند قبر الحسن .

فتلخص : أن ما ذكره علماء السنة من الأدلة على دفن الصديقة الطاهرة فاطمة عليها السلام في البقيع ، غير تام ولا يوجد عليه رواية واحدة صحيحة صريحة حتى على مبناهم في علم الرجال .

وقال بعض العلماء منهم أنها دفنت في منزلها كما تقدم ، هذا فيما يرجع إلى رأي علماء العامة .

علماء الشيعة :

وأما بالنسبة إلى علماء الشيعة فيما يرجع إلى دفنها في البقيع وهو قول شاذ وإن نسبه الشيخ الصدوق والشيخ الطوسي إلى بعض أصحابنا ، نعم ربما يظهر من بعضهم ذلك مثل :

1 – السيد المرتضى في كتاب عيون المعجزات كما نقله عنه صاحب البحار مرسلاً ( [40] ).

والجواب : أن هذا الكتاب ليس للسيد المرتضى بالرغم من ان صاحب البحار نسبه إليه ، حيث أن التحقيق أثبت عدم صحة نسبة الكتاب للسيد المرتضى ، ونقل ابن أبي الحديد في شرح النهج عن السيد المرتضى في الشافي ما يظهر منه أنها دفنت في البقيع ، ولكن هذا لا يعتمد عليه لأن السيد المرتضى ربما نقله من علماء السنة حيث لم يكن ذلك مسنداً وإنما كان مرسلاً .

2 - وابن شهرآشوب في المناقب حيث أرسل ذلك ارسالاً ( [41] ).

والجواب : ان ابن شهرآشوب لم يذكر مستند هذا القول ولعله نقله من علماء السنة كماهي عادته ولم يشر إلى المصدر .

3 - ونقل الفتّال النيسابوري في كتابه روضة الواعظين أنها لما توفيت عليها السلام : (( اجتمع الناس فجلسوا وهم يرجون وينظرون أن تخرج الجنازة ، فيصلون عليها ، وخرج أبو ذر فقال : انصرفوا فإن ابنة رسول الله ( ص ) قد أُخرّ إخراجها في هذه العشية ، فقام الناس وانصرفوا ، فلما أن هدأت العيون ، ومضى من الليل أخرجها عليٌ والحسن والحسين عليهم السلام وعمّار والمقداد وعقيل والزبير وأبو ذر وسلمان وبريدة ونفرٌ من بني هاشم وخواصه صلّوا عليها ودفنوها في جوف الليل وسوّى على حواليها قبوراً مزورة مقدار سبعة حتى لا يعرف قبرها )) ( [42] ).

1- ربما يتراء من هذه الرواية أوهذا القول أنها دفنت في خارج منزلها ، وهذا وأن لم يكن واضحاً كل الوضوح ، إلا أنه مع ذلك لا يمكن الاعتماد على هذه الرواية لأنها مرسلة.

2- أن الفتال النيسابوري يقول بالقول الثاني وهو الدفن بالروضة – كما تقدم - .

4- علي بن الحسين المسعودي المتوفى 346 هـ في مروج الذهب ج 2 ص 426 قال حول دفن الإمام الحسن عليه السلام : ( ودفن بالبقيع مع أمه فاطمة بنت رسول الله صلى الله عليه [ وآله ] وسلم ) وذلك تبعا لعلماء السنة .



5 - ونقل الشيخ عباس القمي عن صاحب البحار قولاً بدفنها في البقيع قال : (( وقيل دفنها أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام بالبقيع وجدد أربعين قبراً فاستشكل على الناس قبرها )) ( [43] ).

وهذه الرواية مرسلة خصوصاً وأنه نسبها إلى القيل وهو يدل على التمريض ، وليس هذا رأيه وإنما رأيه أنها دفنت في منزلها .

والحاصل : أن القول بدفنها في البقيع إنما هو رأي أكثر علماء أهل السنة من الحديث وأرباب التواريخ ، لذلك قال أبو الحسن علي بن عيسى الأربلي مشيراً إلى ذلك : ( الظاهر والمشهور مما نقله الناس وأرباب التواريخ والسير أنها عليها السلام دفنت بالبقيع ) ( [44] ). والمراد بالناس في كلامه أبناء العامة .

وهذا نقل لرأي أبناء العامة وليس اختياره لأن كلمة الناس تطلق على أبنا العامة .



وقد استبعد القول بدفنها في البقيع عدد من علمائنا الأبرار :

1- منهم الشيخ الطوسي المتوفى 460هـ في التهذيب قال : ( وأما من قال أنها دفنت في البقيع فبعيد عن الصواب )( [45] ). وكذلك في النهاية والمبسوط

2- محمد ابن إدريس الحلي المتوفى 598هـ

قال في السرائر : ( .... وروي أنها مدفونة بالبقيع ويعرف ببقيع الفرقد ، وهو شجر مثل العوسجد ، وحبه أشد حمرة من حبه ، وهذه الرواية بعيدة عن الصواب ) [46]



3- يحيى بن سعيد الحلي المتوفى 690 هـ قال : وروي أنها في البقيع ، وهو بعيد ) [47]

4- والعلامة الحلي المتوفى 726 هـ في تحرير الأحكام ص 131 طبع قديم ومنتهى المطلب ج 2 ص 889 طبع قديم [48]

5 - وقال صاحب الوسائل المتوفى 1104 هـ : هذا والروايات المشار إليها سابقاً ( [49] ) محمولة على التقية لموافقتها لاقوال العامة.

6- الشيخ أبو علي الفضل بن الحسن الطبرسي المتوفى 548هـ صاحب مجمع البيان في إعلام الورى بأعلام الهدى ص 186 .

قال : والقول الأول بعيد – يعني دفنها في البقيع –

7- العلامة المجلسي : بعد ذكر مزار فاطمة بنت أسد أم الإمام أمير المؤمنين عليها السلام مع الأئمة عليهم السلام قال : ( فلا يبعد أن يكون الموضع الذي يزور الناس فيه فاطمة بنت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله في قبة أئمة البقيع هو موضع قبر فاطمة بنت أسد رضي الله عنها ) [50]

7- السيد علي الطباطبائي صاحب الرياض – بعد أن حكى القول بأنها مدفونة في الروضة ) قال : ( وقيل في البقيع لرواية أخرى ، واستبعدها جماعة ، كالشيخ في الهذيب والنهاية والمبسوط ، والفاضل في التحرير والمنتهى ، والحلي وابن سعيد في الجامع )

وحول الدفن في الروضة والبقيع قال ( وحملت الروايتان السابقتان على التقية ، مع عدم وضوح سندهما )

علماء السنة ودفنها في منزلها :

وأما رأي علماء السنة حول هذا القول فبعضهم روى هذا القول ، والبعض منهم قد ألف فيه كتاباً بهذا الخصوص .

كما ذكر ذلك ابن شبّه النميري البصري المتوفى 262هـ في كتابه تاريخ المدينة ( [51] ).

وإن كان ابن شبّه لم يختر هذا القول حيث اختار الدفن في البقيع كما علق على هذا الخبر ، ونحن نأخذ بما روى وندع ما رأى .

2 – روى ابن شبّه بسنده عن جعفر بن محمد أنه كان يقول :

(( قُبِرَت فاطمة رضي الله عنها في بيتها الذي أدخله عمر بن عبدالعزيز في المسجد ))( [52] ).

وقال ابن شبّه بعد هذا الخبر وبعد أن نقل الروايات التي تقول أنها دفنت في البقيع والروايات التي تقول أنها دفنت في منزلها :

" فهذا ما حدثني به أبوغسان في قبر فاطمة ، ووجدت كتاباً كتب عنه يذكر فيه أن عبدالعزيز بن عمران كان يقول : إنها دفنت في موضع فراشها ، ويحتج بأنها دفنت ليلاً ، ولا يعلم بها كثير من الناس " ( [53] ).

أقول : وإذا كان البعض من الشيعة ينكر دفنها في منزلها ويدعي أن موضع دفنها مجهول ، فهذا في الواقع إحداث قول رابع بلا دليل ونتمنى على من يدعي المجهولية أن يثبت ذلك بدليل علمي . وإلا من يعلم فهو حجة على من لا يعلم .

وإذا كان مدعي المجهولية يدعي أن مجرد الاختلاف هو الدليل على المجهولية فحينئذ كل المسائل الخلافية : في الفقه والعقائد والتاريخ وغيرها من المسائل التي وقع الخلاف فيها فحسب هذه النظرة لابد أن تكون مجهولة ويحكم عليها بالمجهولية وتلغى .

وإذا كانت المسئلة مجهولة عنده لعدم اطلاعه عليها فهل بالضرورة تكون مجهولة عند الآخرين ؟ إن هذا لشيء عجاب وعلم جديد .

والحمد لله رب العالمين والصلاة والسلام على محمد وآله الطاهرين [54]










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( [1] ) قال السمهودي في وفاء الوفاء ج3 ص 902 : وهو الباب الذي كان تسامي باب النساء في المشرق .

( [2] ) تاريخ المدينة لابن شبّه ج1 ص 106 .

[3] قرب الإسناد للحميري ص 367 حديث 1314 والبحار ج 97 ص 192 عن قرب الإسناد للحميري

( [4] ) تاريخ المدينة لابن شبّه ج1 ص 107 .

( [5] ) تاريخ المدينة لابن شبّه ج1 ص 108 .

( [6] ) التهذيب ج3 ص 226 باب25 فضل المساجد ح705 .

[7] انظر الفهرست ترجمة محمد بن أحمد بن يحيى

[8] انظر : الوسائل كتاب الحج باب كتاب الحج باب 18 من أبواب المزار ح3 عن التهذيب ، والكافي ، والفقيه ، وعيون أخبار الرضا ، ومعاني الأخبار .



[9]))إقبال الأعمال ص 109 .

( [10] ) الفقيه ج2 ص 336 . وكذلك صحح هذه الرواية على غيره في كتاب معاني الأخبار ص 168 .

[11]) ) اقبال الأعمال للسيد ابن طاووس ص 111.

[12] السرائر لابن إدريس ج 1 ص 652 كتاب الحج .

[13] الجامع للشرائع لابن سعيد ص 231 كتاب الحج .

( [14] ) مدارك الأحكام ج8 ص 279 .

[15] البحار ج 97 ص 192 .

( [16] ) البحار ج43 ص 188 ، وصاحب الوسائل كما تقدم .

[17] أعيان الشيعة ج 1 ص 322

( [18] ) وقائع الأيام ص 279 .

[19] منتهى الآمال ج 1 ص 272 .

[20] وفاء الوفاء ج 2 ص 906

[21] معاني الأخبار للصدوق ص 267

[22] معاني الأخبار للصدوق ص 268 وعنه في البحار ج 97 ص 192

( [23] ) المقنعة ص 459 .

( 3) روضة الواعظين ص 169 .

( [25] ) شرائع الإسلام ج1 ص 278.

[26] دلائل‏الإمامة ص : 46



( [27] ) التهذيب للطوسي ج6 ص 10 بعد حديث : 17 .

( 5 )مفتيح الجنان ص 402 طبع الأعلمي .

( [29] ) التهذيب ج6 ص 9 .

( [30] ) معاني الأخبار ص 268 و الوسائل كتاب الحج باب 18 من أبواب المزار ح5 .

( [31] ) التهذيب ج6 ص 10 .

( [32] ) التهذيب ج6 ص 9 .

[33] مصباح المتهجد ص 494

[34] إعلام الورى بأعلام الهدى ص 186 .

[35] مناقب آل أبي طالب ج 3 ص 414 .

[36] الكافي ج 4 ص 555 ح 6 الوسائل ج 3 ص 546 أبواب أحكام المساجد باب 58 ح 3 .

[37] مدارك الأحكام ج 8 ص 278

[38] جواهر الكلام ج 20 ص 86 .

[39] البحار ج 97 ص 193

( [40] ) البحار ج43 ص 212 .

( [41] ) المناقب لابن شهرآشوب ج3 ص 406 .

( [42] ) روضة الواعظين ص169 . طبع الأعلمي .

( [43] ) وقائع الأيام ص 278 عن بحار الأنوار ج43 ص 212 .

( [44] ) كشف الغمة في معرفة الأئمة ج 2 ص 124 و البحار ج43 ص187 عنه .

( [45] ) التهذيب للطوسي ج6 ص 10 بعد حديث : 17 .

[46] السرائر لابن إدريس ج 1 ص 652 كتاب الحج .

[47] الجامع للشرائع لابن سعيد ص 231 كتاب الحج .

[48] كما أشار إلى ذلك في الجواهر ج 20 ص 86 . والرياض ج 9 ص 166

( [49] ) يعني الروايات التي تقول أنها مدفونة في البقيع محمولة على التقية.

[50] البحار ج 97 ص 220

( [51] ) تاريخ المدينة لابن شبّه ج1 ص 106 .

( [52] ) تاريخ المدينة لابن شبّه ج1 ص 107 .

( [53] ) تاريخ المدينة لابن شبّه ج1 ص 108 .

[54] أجري عليه مزيد من التحقيق والتعديل والإضافة . شوال 1425 هـ

[Ibn Abbas]

As Salam Alikum

Brother Tripoly can you please mention what the Shi'a scholars of rijal say about Ishaq bin Ya'aqoub?

Jazkallah Khair

[Aspirer]

:salam:

Brother TripolySunni, I would like to thank you for this immensely beneficial thread. I mean, I knew Shi'a was a bit off when I was first looking up things about Islam, but this off? At times I was reduced to laughing helplessly, because all too often this thread is like a comedy, or it would be if there weren't really 'scholars' in black turbans issuing these declarations and people thinking them to be Islamic.

Are ordinary Shi'a discouraged from obtaining knowledge? Sometimes it seems to me a bit like Catholicism with the extreme hierarchy and the like.

:ws:

[TripolySunni]

As Salam Alikum

Brother Tripoly can you please mention what the Shi'a scholars of rijal say about Ishaq bin Ya'aqoub?

Jazkallah Khair

May Allah forgive you brother you talk as if the Shia have a science of Hadith LOL...

Grand Ayatullah Sayyed Ali Akbar Haeri said about him:

وأ مّا الراوي المباشر الذي يروي هذاالتوقيع عن الإمام صاحب الزمان عجل اللّه تعالى فرجه فهو إسحاق بن يعقوب الذي لم يترجم له في كتب الرجال لكنّه لا يضرّ بصحة السند ; لأنّ الشيخ الكليني (رحمه الله)حدّث بورود توقيع إليه من الإمام عجل اللّه تعالى فرجه وهذا يكفي للكشف عن وثاقته وجلالة قدره

Translation: "As for the direct narrator of the signature of the Imam Sahib al Zaman(12th Imam) may Allah hasten his appearance, He is Ishaq bin Ya'aqoub who is not documented in our books of Rijal but this does not Harm the Sanad of the Narration; Because Sheik al-Kulayni (rah) has told us that he had received the signature of the Imam may Allah hasten his appearance and this is enough to prove that he is trustworthy and that he is of a high and virtuous rank."

source: Wilayat al-Amr fi 'Asr al-Ghaybah.
Found here:http://www.ketabname.com/main2/bookreview/review.php?serial=2312&nid=1354

Salam Aleykum ;D

[TripolySunni]

:salam:

Brother TripolySunni, I would like to thank you for this immensely beneficial thread. I mean, I knew Shi'a was a bit off when I was first looking up things about Islam, but this off? At times I was reduced to laughing helplessly, because all too often this thread is like a comedy, or it would be if there weren't really 'scholars' in black turbans issuing these declarations and people thinking them to be Islamic.

Are ordinary Shi'a discouraged from obtaining knowledge? Sometimes it seems to me a bit like Catholicism with the extreme hierarchy and the like.

:ws:

Salam Aleykum,

Shia are ignorants in general when it comes to 'Aql and Naql.

[verdana]

:salam:

Dear br TripolySunni, have you heard about a book called Biharul Anwar? In it I saw this beautiful Munajat called Jawshanul Kabir which is referred to Prophet Muhammad :alayhis:. Although this Munajat doesn't have any sources within Sunni tradition, but I was wondering if you could locate Isnad of this Munajat from the Shia sources. This is a type of a dua which is impossible to be produced by any human being except Nabi :alayhis:. :jazak:

Here is how it starts:



اَللّٰهُمَّ اِنّ۪ٓى اَسْئَلُكَ بِاَسْمَٓائِكَ يَا اَللّٰهُ ٭ يَا رَحْمٰنُ ٭ يَا رَح۪يمُ ٭ يَا عَل۪يمُ ٭ يَا حَل۪يمُ ٭ يَا عَظ۪يمُ ٭ يَا حَك۪يمُ ٭ يَا قَد۪يمُ ٭ يَا مُق۪يمُ ٭ يَا كَر۪يمُ ٭
سُبْحَانَكَ يَا لآَ اِلٰهَ اِلآَّ اَنْتَ اْلاَمَانُ اْلاَمَانُ خَلِّصْنَا مِنَ النَّارِ

[TripolySunni]

:salam:

Dear br TripolySunni, have you heard about a called Biharul Anwar? In it I saw this beautiful Munajat called Jawshanul Kabir which is referred to Prophet Muhammad :alayhis:. Although this Munajat doesn't have any sources within Sunni tradition, but I was wondering if you could locate Isnad of this Munajat from the Shia sources. This is a type of a dua which is impossible to be produced by any human being except Nabi :alayhis:. :jazak:

Here is how it starts:



اَللّٰهُمَّ اِنّ۪ٓى اَسْئَلُكَ بِاَسْمَٓائِكَ يَا اَللّٰهُ ٭ يَا رَحْمٰنُ ٭ يَا رَح۪يمُ ٭ يَا عَل۪يمُ ٭ يَا حَل۪يمُ ٭ يَا عَظ۪يمُ ٭ يَا حَك۪يمُ ٭ يَا قَد۪يمُ ٭ يَا مُق۪يمُ ٭ يَا كَر۪يمُ ٭
سُبْحَانَكَ يَا لآَ اِلٰهَ اِلآَّ اَنْتَ اْلاَمَانُ اْلاَمَانُ خَلِّصْنَا مِنَ النَّارِ


Bihar al-Anwar is a giant set of books written by a Kaffir whose books are full of narrations of Attacks on Aisha (ra), corruption of the Quran as well as teaching magical spells:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAIyABmyYUk

As for the Dua it can probably be found in many books but it's not necessarily by the Prophet PBUH, any scholar can come up with such a Dua, am not sure the Prophet PBUH encouraged Duas which are extremely long like this one:


اللهم اني اسئلك باسمائك يا الله، يا رحمن، يا رحيم، يا عليم، يا حليم، يا عظيم، يا حكيم، يا قديم، يا مقيم، يا كريم، سبحانك يا لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يا سيد السادات، يا مجيب الدعوات، يا ولي الحسنات، يا رفيع الدرجات، يا عظيم البركات، يا غافر الخطيئات، يا دافع البليات، يا سامع الاصوات، يا معطي المسؤلات، يا عالم السر و الخفيات، سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يا خير الغافرين، يا خير الناصرين، يا خير الحاكمين، يا خير الفاتحين، يا خير الذاكرين، يا خير الوارثين، يا خير الحامدين، يا خير الرازقين، يا خير الفاصلين، يا خير المحسنين، سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يامن له العز و الجمال، يامن له الملك و الجلال، يا من له القدرة و الكمال، يامن هو الكبير المتعال، يامن هو شديد المحال، يامن هو شديد العقاب، يا من هو سريع الحساب، يامن هو عنده حسن الثواب، يامن هو عنده ام الكتاب، يامن هو ينشيء السحاب الثقال، سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من الار، واسلك باسماك يا حن، يا منان، يا ديان، يا غفران، يا برهان، يا سلطان، يا سبحان، يا مستعان، ياذا المن و البيان، ياذا الامان،سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يامن تواضع كل شيء لعظمته، يامن استسلم كل شيء لقدرته، يامن ذل كل شيء لعزته، يامن خضع كل شيء لهيبته، يامن انقاد كل شيء لملكته، يامن دان كل شيء من مخافته، يامن انشقت الجبال من خشيته، يامن قامت السموات بامره، يامن استقرت الارض باذنه، يامن لا يعتدى على اهل مملكته، سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يا غافر الخطايا، يا كاشف البلايا، يا منتهي الرجايا، يا مجزل العطايا، يا واسع الهدايا، يا رازق البرايا، يا قاضي المنايا، يا سامع الشكايا، يا باعث السرايا، يا مطلق الاسارى، سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، ياذا الحمد و الثناء، ياذا المجد و السناء، ياذا الفخر والبهاء، ياذا العهد و الوفاء، ياذا العفو و الرضاء، ياذا المن و العطاء، ياذا الفصل و القضاء، ياذا العزة والبقاء، ياذا الجود و النعماء، ياذا الفضل والالاء، سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، واسئلك باسمائك يا مانع، يا دافع، يا نافع، يا سامع، يا رافع، يا صانع، يا شافع، يا جامع، يا واسع، يا موسع، سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامام الامان خلصنا من النار، يا صانع كل مصنوع، يا خالق كل مخلوق، يا رازق كل مرزوق، يا مالك كل مملوك، يا كاشف كل مكروب، يا فارج كل مغموم، يا راحم كل مرحوم، يا ناصر كل مخذول، يا ساتر كل معيوب، يا ملجا كل مظلوم، سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يا عدتي عند شدتي، يا رجائي عند مصيبتي، يا مونسي عند وحشتي، يا صاحبي عند كربتي، يا غياثي عند نعمتي، يا كاشفي عند كربتي، يا غياثي عند افتقاري، يا ملجيء عند اضطراري، يا معيني عند فزعي، يا دليلي عند حيرتي، سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يا علام الغيوب، يا غفار الذنوب، يا ستار العيوب، يا كشاف الكروب، يا مقلب القلوب، يا مزين القلوب، يا منور القلوب، يا طيبب القلوب، يا حبيب القلوب، يا انيس القلوب، سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، واسئلك باسمائك يا جليل، يا جميل، يا وكيل، يا كفيل، يا دليل، يا مقيل، يا خبير، يالطيف، يا عزيز، يا مليك، سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يا دليل المحتييرين، يا غياث المستغيثين، يا صريخ المستصرخين، يا جار المستجيرين، يا ملجاء العاصين، يا غافر المذنبين، يا امان الخائفين، يا راحم المساكين، يا انيس المستوحشين، يا مجيب دعوة المضطرين، سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، ياذا الجود والاحسان، ياذا الفضل والامتنان، ياذا الامن والامان، ياذا القدس والسبحان، ياذا الحكمة و البيان، ياذا العظمة و السلطان، ياذا العفو و الغفران، ياذا الرأفة والمستعان، سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يامن هو رب كل شيء، يامن هو اله كل شيء، يامن هو خالق كل شيء، يامن هو فوق كل شيء، يامن هو قبل كل شيء، يامن هو بعد كل شيء، يامن هو عالم كل شيء، يامن هو قادر كل شيء، يامن هو صانع كل شيء، يامن هو يبقى و يفنى كل شيء، سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، واسئلك باسمائك يامؤمن، يامهيمن، يامكون، يا ملون، سبحانك لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يامن هو في ملكه مقيم، يامن هو جلاله عظيم، يامن هو سلطانه قديم، يامن هو على عبده رحيم، يامن هو لمن ترجاه كريم، يامن هو مقاديره حكيم، يامن هو في حكمه لطيف، يامن هو في لطفه قدير، سبحانك يا لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يامن لا يرجى الا فضله، يامن لا يخاف الا عدله، يامن لا ينتظر الا بره، يامن لا يسئل الا عفوه، يامن لا يدوم الا ملكه، يامن لا سلطان الا سلطانه، يامن لا برهان الا برهانه، يامن وسعت كل شيء رحمته، يامن سبقت رحمته على غضبه، يامن احاط بكل شيء علمه، سبحانك يا لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يا فارج الهم، يا كاشف الغم، يا غافر الذنب، يا قابل التوب، يا خلق الخلق، يا صادق الوعد، يا رازق الطفل، يا موفي العهد، يا عالم السر، يا فالق الحب، سبحانك يا لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، فاسئلك باسمائك يا علي، ياوفي، يا ولي، يا غني، ياملي، يازكي، يا رضى، يا بدي، يا خفى، يا قوي، سبحانك يا لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يا من اظهر الجميل، يامن ستر على القبيح، يامن لا يؤاخذ بالجريمة، يامن لا يهتك الستر، يا عظيم العفو، يا حسن التجاوز، يا واسع المغفرة، يا باسط اليدين بالرحمة، يا صاحب كل نجوى، يا منتهي كل شكوى، سبحانك يا لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، ياذا النعمة السابغة، ياذا الرحمة الواسعه، ياذا الحكمة البالغبة، ياذا الرحمة الواسعة، ياذا الحكمة البالغة، ياذا القدرة الكاملة، ياذا الحجة القاطعة، ياذا الكرامة الظاهرة، ياذا الصفة العالية، ياذا العزة الدائمة، ياذا القوة المتينة، ياذا المنة السابقة، سبحانك يا لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يا احكم الحاكمين، يا اعدل العادلين، يا اصدق الصادقين، يا اظهر الظاهرين، يا اطهر الطاهرين، يا احسن الخالقين، يا اسرع الحاسبين، يا اسمع السامعين، يا اكرم الاكرمين، يا ارحم الراحمين، يا اشفع الشافعين، سبحانك يا لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يا بديع السموات، يا جاعل الظلمات، يا عالم الخفيات، يا راحم العبرات، يا ساتر العورات، يا كاشف البليات، يا محي الاموات، يا ضاعف الحسنات، يا منزل البركات، يا شديد النقمات، سبحانك يا لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، واسئلك باسمائك يا مصور، يا مقدر، يا مطهر، يا منور، يا مقدم، يا مؤخر، يا ميسر، يا مبشر، يا مدبر، سبحانك يا لا اله انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يا رب البيت الحرام، يارب الشهر الحرام، يارب المسجد الحرام، يارب المسجد الحرام، يارب البلد الحرام، يارب الركن والمقام، يارب المشعر الحرام، يارب الحل والحرام،يارب النور والظلام، يارب التحية والسلام، يارب الجلال والاكرام، سبحانك يا لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، يا عماد من لا عماد له، يا سند من لا سند له، يا زخر من لا زخر له، يا غياث من لا غياث له، يا حرز من لا حرز له، يا فخر من لا فخر له، يا عز من لا عز له، يا معين من لا معين له، يا انيس من لا انيس له، يا غنية من لا غنية له، سبحانك يا لا اله الا انت الامان الامان خلصنا من النار، واسئلك باسمائك يا قائم

[verdana]

:salam:

I can elaborate on why I believe it is humanly impossible to produce such a magnificent dua later. Please Isnad? :)

[suleimanibnsalim]

Please elaborate now, as that seems to be of central importance to your argument about its attribution to the messenger of Allah, sallaLlahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam. How are you able to judge that which is attributed to the messenger without looking at the authenticity of the sanad?

was-salam

[verdana]

Please elaborate now, as that seems to be of central importance to your argument about its attribution to the messenger of Allah, sallaLlahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam. How are you able to judge that which is attributed to the messenger without looking at the authenticity of the sanad?

was-salam

If you were asked to prove that the Qur'an is indeed the Word of God, you wouldn't bother to talk about the Isnad of the Qur'an, would you? Simply because Qur'an speaks of itself in many miraculous ways.

Similarly, Jawshan al-Kabir is one of a magnificent rare dua that doesn't need any chain or isnad to be attributed to Prophet Muhammad :alayhis:. It speaks of itself. If you read this entire dua from beginning to its end, you will be amazed how wonderful it is and how humanly it is impossible to produce such a supplication. It is one of a matchless and unique Munajat ever produced.

Because the chain that's been attributed to Nabi :alayhis: of this wonderful dua comes down from the Shia sources, Sunni scholars didn't pay much attention to it until Imam Ghazali mentioned it (I read it somewhere not sure where, yet to locate it in his work), and then Sunni Hanafi scholar Gumush-Hanevi of Ottoman quoted Jawshan in its entirety. Since then it is warmly welcomed among many Mashayikh and scholars of Turkey.

A sample video how our scholars read it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD8rP1K7_L4)

[suleimanibnsalim]

BismiLlah . . .
as-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmatuLlah . . .

Sayyidi, at the outset I'd like to state that I'm not here simply to debate, and lessen the status of the duas of the noble Ottomans (radhiy Allah 'anhum); therefore, please do not be offended. In fact, I have this dua in a book of Adhkar I purchased from Turkey, published by the 'Hayrat Neshriyaat' company, and I am relatively familliar with it.

The analogy of the Dua with the Qur'an is, frankly, disingenuous.Imagine for a moment that we had no isnad for the Qur'an, would you be able to disntinguish accurately between that which was authentically from Allah and that which was not? I certainly have not mastered grammar and morphology to such an extent, let alone rhetoric; perhaps you have. If you have, would you ellaborate -- as you promised earler -- on the specific linguistic techniques that make it impossible for a man to come up with. If not, your assesment remains a subjective one.

The discussion relating to the impossibility of a human coming up with it is also interesting. The shi'ah narrate the dua as a hadith, and not part of the Qur'an. As we know, the register of language used by the beloved sallaLlahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam, even with ahadith with divine origin (i.e. ahadith qudsiyyah), was different to that of the Qur'an. Thus, again, the analogy of the jawshan with the Qur'an doesn't hold.

As for Hujjat al-Islam, Imam al-Ghazali ['alayhi rahmatLlahi wa ridhwanuh], if you find the reference where the dua is quoted, and the authenticity is affirmed, I will drop all my objections out of esteem for the shaykh, and his academic and spiritial stature.

Keep me in your duas,

was-salam

[TripolySunni]

al-Salamu Aleyum,

This is a continuation of the argument in post #797 under the title of "Sending an incomplete Salat? (Al Salat al Batraa)." found here:
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?57727-Various-scandalous-and-corrupt-beliefs-of-Twelver-Shias/page80

Although that post was much more than enough to destroy the Shia's baseless argument and turn it against them, yet I decided to add another nail to their coffin.

From the Shia's most authentic book al-Kafi, their "infallible" Imams send an incomplete Salat on the Prophet PBUH:


المعصوم يصلي صلاة بتراء
ابْنُ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ سِنَانٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ( عليه السلام ) قَالَ سَمِعْتُهُ يَقُولُ
اللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ صَفِيِّكَ وَ خَلِيلِكَ وَ نَجِيِّكَ الْمُدَبِّرِ لِأَمْرِكَ .
الكافي : ج 1 ص 452
مجلسي صحيح على الظاهر5/271

ibn Mahboub from abdullah ibn Sinan from Imam abu abdullah PBUH he said: I heard the Imam say: "Allahuma Salli 'ala Muhammad Saffiyika wa Khlilika..."

souce: Usool al-Kafi 1/452.
al Majlisi said in Miraat al 'Uqool 5/271: Hadith SAHIH 'ala al-Zahir.

comment: As you can see the Imam didn't send Salat on the Aal, thus according to Shias his Salat is incomplete.


المعصوم يعلم ابنه
" الصلاة بتراء "
حَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ الْحَكَمِ عَنْ مُعَاوِيَةَ بْنِ وَهْبٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ
اللَّهِ ( عليه السلام ) أَنَّهُ أَتَاهُ ابْنٌ لَهُ لَيْلَةً فَقَالَ لَهُ يَا أَبَهْ أُرِيدُ أَنْ أَنَامَ فَقَالَ يَا بُنَيَّ قُلْ أَشْهَدُ أَنْ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ وَ أَنَّ مُحَمَّداً ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) عَبْدُهُ وَ رَسُولُهُ أَعُوذُ بِعَظَمَةِ اللَّهِ وَ أَعُوذُ بِعِزَّةِ اللَّهِ وَ أَعُوذُ بِقُدْرَةِ اللَّهِ وَ أَعُوذُ بِجَلَالِ اللَّهِ وَ أَعُوذُ بِسُلْطَانِ اللَّهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْ ءٍ قَدِيرٌ وَ أَعُوذُ بِعَفْوِ اللَّهِ وَ أَعُوذُ بِغُفْرَانِ اللَّهِ وَ أَعُوذُ بِرَحْمَةِ اللَّهِ مِنْ شَرِّ السَّامَّةِ وَ الْهَامَّةِ وَ مِنْ شَرِّ كُلِّ دَابَّةٍ صَغِيرَةٍ أَوْ كَبِيرَةٍ بِلَيْلٍ أَوْ نَهَارٍ وَ مِنْ شَرِّ فَسَقَةِ الْجِنِّ وَ الْإِنْسِ وَ مِنْ شَرِّ فَسَقَةِ الْعَرَبِ وَ الْعَجَمِ وَ مِنْ شَرِّ الصَّوَاعِقِ وَ الْبَرَدِ اللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ عَبْدِكَ وَ رَسُولِكَ قَالَ مُعَاوِيَةُ فَيَقُولُ الصَّبِيُّ الطَّيِّبِ عِنْدَ ذِكْرِ النَّبِيِّ الْمُبَارَكِ قَالَ نَعَمْ يَا بُنَيَّ الطَّيِّبِ الْمُبَارَكِ
الكافي : ج 2 ص538
مجلسي صحيح12/302


Hamad bin yahya from ahmad bin Muhammad from Ali bin al hakam from muawiya bin wahb from Imam abu Abdullah PBUH: the Imam's son came to him one night and told him: Father I want to sleep, He replied: My son say this: "Ashhadu an La Ilaha Illa Allah wa Anna Muhammadan(Salat between parenthesis here is added by the author) Abduhu wa Rasuluhu (...at the end of the long Dua...) Allahuma Salli 'ala Muhammadin 'Abdika wa rasulika." Then muawiya said: (...).

source: Usool al-Kafi 2/538.
al Majlisi said in Miraat al 'Uqool 12/302: SAHIH.

comment: the Imam taught his son the incomplete prayer.



لمعصوم يعلم الناس
" الصلاة البتراء "
يُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ وَ مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ عَنِ الْفَضْلِ بْنِ شَاذَانَ عَنْ صَفْوَانَ بْنِ يَحْيَى وَ
ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ مُعَاوِيَةَ بْنِ عَمَّارٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ( عليه السلام )
قَالَ إِذَا أَرَدْتَ أَنْ تَخْرُجَ مِنْ مَكَّةَ ..............................
ثُمَّ قُلِ اللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ عَبْدِكَ وَ رَسُولِكَ وَ نَبِيِّكَ وَ أَمِينِكَ وَ حَبِيبِكَ وَ نَجِيِّكَ وَ
خِيَرَتِكَ مِنْ خَلْقِكَ ..... )
الكافي : ج 4 ص 532
مجلسي حسن كالصحيح18/228


Muhammad ibn ismael from al fadl bin Shathan from Safwan bin Yahya and Ibn abi 'Umairfrom muawiya bin Ammar from Imam Abu Abdullah PBUH: If you want to leave the city of Mecca (...) then you should say: Allahuma Salli 'ala Muhammad 'Abdika wa Rasulika wa Nabiyyika wa Ameenika wa Habibika wa Kheeratuka min Khalqiq (...)."

source: furu'u al-Kafi 4/532.
al Majlisi said in Miraat al 'Uqool 18/228: Hasan kal Sahih.

comment: the Imam is teaching the people the incomplete prayer?

May Allah guide them,

[Abdullah Efendi]

Salam alaikum. Some Muslims totally confused in this matter, and they think that 12-th imam of shias - Mahdi, is the same Mahdi that is known in Islamic sources, but that is completely wrong.

Here you could find some info, which would shed light on the Mahdi of shias, from their books. Including such topics as: In accordance to them real Quran with Mahdi, Mahdi would be mass murderer, Mahdi would punish Aisha (r.a) and many other examples of pure heresy, may Allah Taala protect us from it.

InshAllah link would be updated regularly.

http://gift2shias.com/category/shia-mahdi/

[TripolySunni]

Salam alaikum. Some Muslims totally confused in this matter, and they think that 12-th imam of shias - Mahdi, is the same Mahdi that is known in Islamic sources, but that is completely wrong.

Here you could find some info, which would shed light on the Mahdi of shias, from their books. Including such topics as: In accordance to them real Quran with Mahdi, Mahdi would be mass murderer, Mahdi would punish Aisha (r.a) and many other examples of pure heresy, may Allah Taala protect us from it.

InshAllah link would be updated regularly.

http://gift2shias.com/category/shia-mahdi/

Video about the 12th coward from your Wall bro Efendi, Wallahi These Twelver Shia have the most unIslamic practices ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBdOkjALnoQ

There is no doubt that a huge portion of the twelver Shia population are polytheists who worship Human beings instead of the ONE God.

[Aydin Zaman]

Salaam,

it's so ironic when shias try to use Sunni sources to justify their "Mahdi" ... the truth is they needed to somehow continue their imamate after the death of the 11th imam, so they mixed Isa AS with narrations of the Prophet PBUH and came up with their shia mahdi. and all this rubbish about appointed deputies that were the only ones allowed to see him during his "minor occultation' around the age 4 and they would be the ones to collect zakat and relay religious rulings.. there is nothing authentic about this, but that it is only mythical fairy tales.

Brother Tripoly Sunni,

We all know that al Hasan and al Hossayn RA fought under the Caliph Osman RA battles (North Africa and in Persia as well and other locations) but shias seem to deny this history.

If it's not too much trouble could you provide authentic sources as well as shia sources.. the biographies of Imam Hassan RA in shia bookstores seem to leave it out.

JazakAllah Khairun.

[TripolySunni]

Salam Aleykum,

It is HARAM to recite Some Quranic Chapters in the Salat according to Shia!?

Another unIslamic Downright STRANGE Fatwa by the Shia scholars.


اليعقوبي - الأربعاء 23 شعبان 1431


كراهية قراءة بعض السور في الصلاة

س28- هل هناك سور قرآنية يكره قراءتها في الصلاة؟

ج / بسمه تعالى
‏ يحرم قراءة سور العزائم (العلق, فصلت, النجم, السجدة) والأحوط تجنب الضحى والانشراح ‏والفيل والايلاف.‏

Fatwa by the Shia scholar al-Ya'aqoubi on Wednesday 23th, Sha'aban 1431:

Question (28): Is it disliked to read some chapters of the Quran during prayer?

Answer: Bismillah,
It is HARAM (means forbidden by Allah) to recite the following chapters:
-al-'Alaq (chapter 96)
-Fussilat (chapter 41)
-al-Najm (chapter 53)
-al-Sajdah (chapter 32)

Also by obligatory precaution it is Makruh (means disliked by Allah) to recite these chapters:
-al-Duha (chapter 93)
-al-Inshirah (chapter 94)
-al-Feel (chapter 105)
-Eelaf (chapter 106)

-END-

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Salam Aleykum,

[TripolySunni]

What is the best way to seek the nearness of Allah according to Caliph Ali (ra) from the Shia book "Nahjul Balagha"?


ان أفضل ما توسل به المتوسلون الى اللّه سبحانه وتعالى , الايمان به وبرسوله , والجهاد في سبيله , واقامة الـصـلاة , وايتاء الزكاة , وصوم شهر رمضان , وحج البيت واعتماره , وصلة الرحم , وصدقة السر, وصدقة العلانية , وصنائع المعروف فانها تقي مصارع الهوان -الخطبة (110) من نهج البلاغة

The best means by which seekers of nearness to Allah, the Glorified, the Exalted, seek nearness, is the belief in Him and His Prophet, fighting in His cause, for it is the high pinnacle of Islam, and (to believe) in the kalimatu'l-'ikhlas (the expression of Divine purification) for it is just nature and the establishment of prayer for it is (the basis of) community, payment of zakat (Islamic tax) for it is a compulsory obligation, fasting for the month of Ramadan for it is the shield against chastisement, the performance of hajj of the House of Allah (i. e . Ka`bah) and its `umrah (other than annual visit) for these two acts banish poverty and wash away sins, regard for kinship for it increases wealth and length of life, to giving alms secretly for it covers shortcomings, giving alms openly for it protects against a bad death and extending benefits (to people) for it saves from positions of disgrace.

Source: Nahjul balagha - Sermon 110 (109 in English version).

Mashallah! Where is the Imamah of Alulbayt !? He never even mentioned it!!!

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Hafsa of the Umayyads

I haven't done this in a while so I thought why not translate another family tree which shows the solid connections between the Family of the Prophet PBUH and his Companions (ra), who better than Hafsa from bani Umayyah to illustrate these strong bonds:

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Salamalaikum akhee tripolysunni will you please translate these narrations which are from ahlebayt regarding shiekein:

عن علي رضي الله عنه قال : قال رسول اﷲ صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم : ’’إن تولوا أبا بکر تجدوه زاهدا في الدنيا راغبا في الاخرة وإن تولوا عمر تجدوه قويا أمينا لا تأخذه في اﷲ تعالي لومة لائم وإن تولوا عليا تجدوه هاديا مهديا يسلک بکم الطريق‘‘

1. حاکم، ا لمستدر ک، 3 : 73، کتاب معرفة الصحابه، رقم : 4434
2. احمد، المسند، 1 : 108، رقم : 859
3. بزار، المسند، 3 : 33، رقم : 783
4. مقدسي، الأحاديث المختارة، 2 : 86، رقم : 463
5. احمد بن حنبل، فضائل الصحابه، 1 : 231، رقم : 284
6. عبدالله بن احمد، السنة، 2 : 541، رقم : 1257
7. عسقلاني، الإصابة، 4 : 569
8. ابن مفلح، المقصد الأرشد، 2 : 313، رقم : 828

. وعن الحسن، قال : قال علي عليه السلام : لما قبض رسول اﷲ صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم نظرنا في أمرنا فوجدنا النبي صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم قد قدم أبا بکر في الصلاة فرضينا لدنيانا من رضي رسول اﷲ صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم لديننا، فقدمنا أبابکر.

1. ابن جوزي، صفة الصفوه، 1 : 257
2. ابن سعد، الطبقات الکبريٰ، 3 : 183
3. ابن عبدالبر، التمهيد، 22 : 129
4. خلال، السنه، 1 : 274، رقم : 333
5. ابن عبد البر، الاستيعاب، 3 : 971
6. نووي، تهذيب الأسماء، 2 : 480
7. محب طبري، الرياض النضرة، 2 : 177، رقم : 390

عن النّزال بن سبرة قال. . . فقلنا حدّثنا عن أبي بکر فقال : ’’ذاک إمرء سمّاه اﷲ صدّيقا علٰي لسان جبريل و محمّد صلي اﷲ عليهما.‘‘

1. حاکم، المستدرک، 3 : 65، رقم : 4406
2. نووي، تهذيب الاسماء، 2 : 479
3. محب طبري، الرياض النضرة، 1 : 406
4. محب طبري، الرياض النضرة، 2 : 161

175. عن علي بن أبي طالب قال لما حضرت أبابکر الوفاة أقعدني عند رأسه و قال لي يا علي إذا أنا مت فغسلني بالکف الذي غسلت به رسول اﷲ و حنطوني و اذهبوا بي إلي البيت الذي فيه رسول اﷲ فاستأذنوا فإن رأيتم الباب قد يفتح فادخلوا بي وإلا فردوني إلي مقابر المسلمين حتي يحکم اﷲ بين عباده قال فغسل و کفن و کنت أول من يأذن إلي الباب فقلت يا رسول اﷲ هذا أبوبکر مستأذن فرأيت الباب قد تفتح و سمعت قائلا يقول ادخلوا الحبيب إلي حبيبه فإن الحبيب إلي الحبيب مشتاق.
. حلبي، السيرة الحلبيه، 3 : 493
2. ابن عساکر، تاريخ دمشق الکبير، 30 : 436
3. سيوطي، الخصائ رضي الله عنه الکبريٰ، 2 : 492


قال علي و الزبير رضي اﷲ عنهما انا نري ابا بکر احق الناس بها بعد رسول اﷲ صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم انه لصاحب الغار و ثاني اثنين و انا لنعلم بشرفه و کبره و لقد امره رسول اﷲ بالصلٰوة بالناس و هو حيي.
. حاکم، المستدرک علي الصحيحين، 3 : 70، رقم : 4422
2. بيهقي، السنن الکبري، 8 : 152
3. بيهقي، الإعتقاد، 1 : 351
4. طبري، الرياض النضرة، 2 : 216، رقم : 418
5. ابن کثير، البدايه والنهايه، 6 : 306
6. ابن ابي الحديد، شرح نهج البلاغه، 1 : 45

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Salamalaikum akhee tripolysunni will you please translate these narrations which are from ahlebayt regarding shiekein:

عن علي رضي الله عنه قال : قال رسول اﷲ صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم : ’’إن تولوا أبا بکر تجدوه زاهدا في الدنيا راغبا في الاخرة وإن تولوا عمر تجدوه قويا أمينا لا تأخذه في اﷲ تعالي لومة لائم وإن تولوا عليا تجدوه هاديا مهديا يسلک بکم الطريق‘‘

1. حاکم، ا لمستدر ک، 3 : 73، کتاب معرفة الصحابه، رقم : 4434
2. احمد، المسند، 1 : 108، رقم : 859
3. بزار، المسند، 3 : 33، رقم : 783
4. مقدسي، الأحاديث المختارة، 2 : 86، رقم : 463
5. احمد بن حنبل، فضائل الصحابه، 1 : 231، رقم : 284
6. عبدالله بن احمد، السنة، 2 : 541، رقم : 1257
7. عسقلاني، الإصابة، 4 : 569
8. ابن مفلح، المقصد الأرشد، 2 : 313، رقم : 828

. وعن الحسن، قال : قال علي عليه السلام : لما قبض رسول اﷲ صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم نظرنا في أمرنا فوجدنا النبي صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم قد قدم أبا بکر في الصلاة فرضينا لدنيانا من رضي رسول اﷲ صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم لديننا، فقدمنا أبابکر.

1. ابن جوزي، صفة الصفوه، 1 : 257
2. ابن سعد، الطبقات الکبريٰ، 3 : 183
3. ابن عبدالبر، التمهيد، 22 : 129
4. خلال، السنه، 1 : 274، رقم : 333
5. ابن عبد البر، الاستيعاب، 3 : 971
6. نووي، تهذيب الأسماء، 2 : 480
7. محب طبري، الرياض النضرة، 2 : 177، رقم : 390

عن النّزال بن سبرة قال. . . فقلنا حدّثنا عن أبي بکر فقال : ’’ذاک إمرء سمّاه اﷲ صدّيقا علٰي لسان جبريل و محمّد صلي اﷲ عليهما.‘‘

1. حاکم، المستدرک، 3 : 65، رقم : 4406
2. نووي، تهذيب الاسماء، 2 : 479
3. محب طبري، الرياض النضرة، 1 : 406
4. محب طبري، الرياض النضرة، 2 : 161

175. عن علي بن أبي طالب قال لما حضرت أبابکر الوفاة أقعدني عند رأسه و قال لي يا علي إذا أنا مت فغسلني بالکف الذي غسلت به رسول اﷲ و حنطوني و اذهبوا بي إلي البيت الذي فيه رسول اﷲ فاستأذنوا فإن رأيتم الباب قد يفتح فادخلوا بي وإلا فردوني إلي مقابر المسلمين حتي يحکم اﷲ بين عباده قال فغسل و کفن و کنت أول من يأذن إلي الباب فقلت يا رسول اﷲ هذا أبوبکر مستأذن فرأيت الباب قد تفتح و سمعت قائلا يقول ادخلوا الحبيب إلي حبيبه فإن الحبيب إلي الحبيب مشتاق.
. حلبي، السيرة الحلبيه، 3 : 493
2. ابن عساکر، تاريخ دمشق الکبير، 30 : 436
3. سيوطي، الخصائ رضي الله عنه الکبريٰ، 2 : 492


قال علي و الزبير رضي اﷲ عنهما انا نري ابا بکر احق الناس بها بعد رسول اﷲ صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم انه لصاحب الغار و ثاني اثنين و انا لنعلم بشرفه و کبره و لقد امره رسول اﷲ بالصلٰوة بالناس و هو حيي.
. حاکم، المستدرک علي الصحيحين، 3 : 70، رقم : 4422
2. بيهقي، السنن الکبري، 8 : 152
3. بيهقي، الإعتقاد، 1 : 351
4. طبري، الرياض النضرة، 2 : 216، رقم : 418
5. ابن کثير، البدايه والنهايه، 6 : 306
6. ابن ابي الحديد، شرح نهج البلاغه، 1 : 45

First narration:

This is a good one, I never came across this one before.


عن علي رضي الله عنه قال : قيل يا رسول الله : من يؤمر بعدك قال : إن تؤمروا أبا بكر رضي الله عنه تجدوه أمينا زاهدا في الدنيا راغبا في الآخرة وإن تؤمروا عمر رضي الله عنه تجدوه قويا أمينا لا يخاف في الله لومة لائم وإن تؤمروا عليا رضي الله عنه ولا أراكم فاعلين تجدوه هاد مهدي يأخذ بكم الطريق المستقيم

الراوي: زيد بن يثيع المحدث: أحمد شاكر - المصدر: مسند أحمد - الصفحة أو الرقم: 2/158
خلاصة حكم المحدث: إسناده صحيح

عن علي قال : قيل يا رسول الله من نؤمر بعدك ؟ قال : إن تؤمروا أبا بكر تجدوه أمينا زاهدا في الدنيا راغبا في الآخرة ، وإن تؤمروا عمر تجدوه قويا أمينا لا يخاف في الله لومة لائم ، وإن تؤمروا عليا وما أراكم فاعلين تجدوه هاديا مهديا يأخذ بكم الطريق المستقيم

الراوي: علي بن أبي طالب المحدث: ابن حجر العسقلاني - المصدر: الإصابة - الصفحة أو الرقم: 2/509
خلاصة حكم المحدث: إسناده جيد


Zaid bin Yathi'i narrated: from Ali (ra) that he said: it was said to the messenger of Allah PBUH: "Who becomes Ameer/Ruler after you?" He PBUH replied: " If you(Muslims) choose Abu Bakr (ra) you will find him to be honest, a Zahed in this life and always seeking the afterlife. If you(Muslims) choose 'Umar (ra) you will find him honest and strong, he does not fear anyone other than Allah. If you(Muslims) choose Ali (ra) and I do not see you doing this but if you do you will find him rightly guided and he will lead you to a straight path.

source:
-Musnad Ahmad 2/158, Ahmad Shakir said: SAHIH.
-al-Isabah 2/509, Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani said: Has a good Isnad.


Second narration:

I've already translated this one search in previous posts.

Third narration:


حَدَّثَنَا عُثْمَانُ بْنُ جَعْفَرِ بْنِ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ إِسْمَاعِيلَ السَّبِيعِيُّ ، قَالَ : حَدَّثَنَا هِلالُ بْنُ الْعَلاءِ بْنِ هِلالٍ الْبَاهِلِيُّ ، قَالَ : حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي ، قَالَ : حَدَّثَنَا إِسْحَاقُ الأَزْرَقُ ، قَالَ : حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو سِنَانٍ ، قَالَ : حَدَّثَنَا الضَّحَّاكُ بْنُ مُزَاحِمٍ ، عَنِ النَّزَّالِ بْنِ سَبْرَةَ الْهِلالِيِّ ، قَالَ : وَافَقَنَا مِنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ أَبِي طَالِبٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ ذَاتَ يَوْمٍ طِيبُ بِشْرٍ وَمُزَاحٌ ، قُلْنَا لَهُ : يَا أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ، حَدِّثْنَا عَنْ أَصْحَابِكَ . قَالَ : مَا كَانَ لِرَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَاحِبًا إِلا كَانَ لِي صَاحِبًا . قُلْنَا : حَدِّثْنَا عَنْ أَصْحَابِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ . قَالَ : سَلُونِي . قُلْنَا : حَدِّثْنَا عَنْ أَبِي بَكْرٍ ، قَالَ : " ذَلِكَ امْرُؤٌ سَمَّاهُ اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ صِدِّيقًا عَلَى لِسَانِ جِبْرِيلَ ، وَلِسَانِ مُحَمَّدٍ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ، كَانَ خَلِيفَةَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَلَى الصَّلاةِ ، رَضِيَهُ لِدِينِنَا فَرَضِينَاهُ لِدُنْيَانَا " .

Uthman bin Ja'afar bin Muhammad bin Ismael al Subei'ee told us: Hilal bin al 'Alaa bin Hilal al Bahili told us: my father told me: Ishaq al Azraq told us: Abu Sinan told us: al-Dahhaq bin Muzahim told us from al Nazzal bin Sabrah al Hilali: We were with Ali bin abi Talib (ra) one day and we told him: "O Ameer al Mumineen, tell us about your companions." He said:"Every companion of the Prophet PBUH was also my companion." They said: "then tell us about the companions of the Prophet PBUH" He said: "Ask me" we said: "Tell us about Abu bakr" He replied: " That is a Man called al-Siddiq by Allah through Gabriel and Muhammad PBUH, He was the successor of the messenger of Allah in leading the prayer, He PBUH had accepted him for our religion so we accepted him for our life."

Hadith grading: EXTREMELY WEAK, although all the information in it can be found in other SAHIH Hadiths.

Fourth narration:


175. عن علي بن أبي طالب قال لما حضرت أبابکر الوفاة أقعدني عند رأسه و قال لي يا علي إذا أنا مت فغسلني بالکف الذي غسلت به رسول اﷲ و حنطوني و اذهبوا بي إلي البيت الذي فيه رسول اﷲ فاستأذنوا فإن رأيتم الباب قد يفتح فادخلوا بي وإلا فردوني إلي مقابر المسلمين حتي يحکم اﷲ بين عباده قال فغسل و کفن و کنت أول من يأذن إلي الباب فقلت يا رسول اﷲ هذا أبوبکر مستأذن فرأيت الباب قد تفتح و سمعت قائلا يقول ادخلوا الحبيب إلي حبيبه فإن الحبيب إلي الحبيب مشتاق.

from Ali bin abi Talib (ra) that he said: When death came for Abu bakr he made me sit near his head and said: "Ya Ali, if I die then you will wash me exactly like you washed the Prophet PBUH and then prepare me and take me to the house where he is buried, then take permission to enter and if you see the door open then take me inside and if not then take me to the graveyard of the Muslims so that Allah may judge between his servants." Ali said: "I washed him and placed the Kafan around his body and I went to the door of the house and said: Ya Rassul Allah this is Abu bakr seeking permission to enter. I saw the door open and I heard a speaker say: Bring him to his beloved companion, he has missed his lover."

sources: al-Seerah al Halabiyah 3/493, Tareekh Dimashq al Kabir 30/436.

Grading:
-Ibn Asakir said in his tareekh: منكر و المحفوظ أن الذي غسل أبا بكر امرأته أسماء بنت عميس
"Hadith Munkar and what is known is that the one who washed him was his wife Asmaa."

-Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani said in "Lisan al Meezan" 5/62: "Hadith batil".

Fifth narration:

I've already translated this one search in previous posts.


Salam Aeykum,

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Jazakallah khairan akhee,

this too needs a translation since it shows that Ali(ra) said that he didnt have any special knowledge:



حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الصَّمَدِ حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ سَلَمَةَ حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ زَيْدٍ عَنْ أَبِي الطُّفَيْلِ قَالَ

قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ رَأَيْتُ فِيمَا يَرَى النَّائِمُ كَأَنِّي أَنْزِعُ أَرْضًا وَرَدَتْ عَلَيَّ وَغَنَمٌ سُودٌ وَغَنَمٌ عُفْرٌ
فَجَاءَ أَبُو بَكْرٍ فَنَزَعَ ذَنُوبًا أَوْ ذَنُوبَيْنِ وَفِيهِمَا ضَعْفٌ وَاللَّهُ يَغْفِرُ لَهُ ثُمَّ جَاءَ عُمَرُ فَنَزَعَ فَاسْتَحَالَتْ غَرْبًا فَمَلَأَ الْحَوْضَ وَأَرْوَى الْوَارِدَةَ فَلَمْ أَرَ عَبْقَرِيًّا أَحْسَنَ نَزْعًا مِنْ عُمَرَ فَأَوَّلْتُ أَنَّ السُّودَ الْعَرَبُ وَأَنَّ الْعُفْرَ الْعَجَمُ

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Salam alaikum TripoliSunni brother,

Could you kindly explain the significance of this hadees plz :
Sahih Bukhari

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 74 :
Narrated by Abu Huraira

Allah's Apostle said, "Once solomon, son of David said, '(By Allah) Tonight I will have sexual intercourse with one hundred (or ninety-nine) women each of whom will give birth to a knight who will fight in Allah's Cause.' On that a (i.e. if Allah wills) but he did not say, 'Allah willing.' Therefore only one of those women conceived and gave birth to a half-man. By Him in Whose Hands Muhammad's life is, if he had said, "Allah willing', (he would have begotten sons) all of whom would have been knights striving in Allah's Cause."


Thanks.

[TripolySunni]

Jazakallah khairan akhee,

this too needs a translation since it shows that Ali(ra) said that he didnt have any special knowledge:



حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الصَّمَدِ حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ سَلَمَةَ حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ زَيْدٍ عَنْ أَبِي الطُّفَيْلِ قَالَ

قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ رَأَيْتُ فِيمَا يَرَى النَّائِمُ كَأَنِّي أَنْزِعُ أَرْضًا وَرَدَتْ عَلَيَّ وَغَنَمٌ سُودٌ وَغَنَمٌ عُفْرٌ
فَجَاءَ أَبُو بَكْرٍ فَنَزَعَ ذَنُوبًا أَوْ ذَنُوبَيْنِ وَفِيهِمَا ضَعْفٌ وَاللَّهُ يَغْفِرُ لَهُ ثُمَّ جَاءَ عُمَرُ فَنَزَعَ فَاسْتَحَالَتْ غَرْبًا فَمَلَأَ الْحَوْضَ وَأَرْوَى الْوَارِدَةَ فَلَمْ أَرَ عَبْقَرِيًّا أَحْسَنَ نَزْعًا مِنْ عُمَرَ فَأَوَّلْتُ أَنَّ السُّودَ الْعَرَبُ وَأَنَّ الْعُفْرَ الْعَجَمُ

Salam Aleykum,

The Hadith you posted is very similar to this one found in Sahih al-bukhari, it has no mention of Ali (ra) nor did Ali (ra) even talk in it, I think you made a mistake:


Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "I saw (in a dream) the people assembled in a gathering, and then abu bakr got up and drew one or two buckets of water (from a well) but there was weakness in his drawing. May Allah forgive him. Then 'umar took the bucket and in his hands it turned into a very large bucket. I had never seen anyone amongst: the people who could draw the water as strongly as 'umar till all the people drank their fill and watered their camels that knelt down there. (Book #56, Hadith #828)

[TripolySunni]

Salam alaikum TripoliSunni brother,

Could you kindly explain the significance of this hadees plz :
Sahih Bukhari

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 74 :
Narrated by Abu Huraira

Allah's Apostle said, "Once solomon, son of David said, '(By Allah) Tonight I will have sexual intercourse with one hundred (or ninety-nine) women each of whom will give birth to a knight who will fight in Allah's Cause.' On that a (i.e. if Allah wills) but he did not say, 'Allah willing.' Therefore only one of those women conceived and gave birth to a half-man. By Him in Whose Hands Muhammad's life is, if he had said, "Allah willing', (he would have begotten sons) all of whom would have been knights striving in Allah's Cause."


Thanks.

al-Salamu Aleykum,

The Hadith of Suleiman PBUH stating that he will be with a hundred women (there is a difference between the narrations as to the true number, some said 90 some 70 some 60...) in one night in order to create a nation to fight in the name of Allah.

The Prophet Sayyiduna Suleiman PBUH was granted many miracles and gifts far greater than this one, such as Controlling the winds and Talking to all the creatures in their languages and the Jinn and getting the throne of Balqis in the blink of an eye ect...
It is also said in past heavenly books that he had married around 1,000 wives (look in the first book of kings 11:3-4).


فَالْتَصَقَ سُلَيْمَانُ بِهَؤُلاَءِ بِالْمَحَبَّة ِ. وَكَانَتْ لَهُ سَبْعُ مِئَةٍ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ السَّيِّدَاتِ، وَثَلاَثُ مِئَةٍ مِنَ السَّرَارِيِّ.
Translation: "And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines; and his wives turned away his heart" [1 kings 11:3-4]

Shia scholar al-Tubrusi narrated the same hadith in "Tafseer Mujama'a al-Bayan" volume 8, page 360-475:

سليمان قال يوما في مجلسه: لاطوفن الليلة على سبعين امرأة، تلد كل امرأة منهن غلاما، يضرب بالسيف في سبيل الله، ولم يقل: إن شاء الله، فطاف عليهن، فلم تحمل منهم إلا امرأة واحدة، جاءت بشق ولد، رواه أبو هريرة عن النبي صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم قال: ثم قال: فو الذي نفس محمد بيده، لو قال " إن شاء الله " لجاهدوا في سبيل الله فرسانا

Even the Imams of Ahlulbayt narrated such miracles in the famous Shia books:


7 - محمد بن يعقوب ، عن محمد بن يحيى ، عن أحمد بن محمد ، عن علي بن الحكم عن هشام بن سالم عن أبى عبد الله ( عليه السلام ) قال : إن أبا بكر وعمر أتيا ام سلمة فقالا لها : يا ام سلمة انك قد كنت عند رجل ، فكيف رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) من ذاك ؟ فقالت ما هو إلا كساير الرجال - إلى أن قال : - فغضب رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) ثم قال : فلما كان في السحر هبط جبرئيل بصحفة من الجنة كان فيها هريسة ، فقال : يا محمد هذه عملها لك الحور العين فكلها أنت وعلى وذريتكما فانه لا يصلح أن يأكلها غيركم ، فجلس رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) وعلى وفاطمة والحسن والحسين ( عليهم السلام ) فأكلوا منها ، فاعطى رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) في المباضعة من تلك الاكلة قوة أربعين رجلا ، فكان إذا شاء غشى نساءه كلهن في ليلة واحدة .

7- Muhammad ibn Ya'aqoub, from Muhammad ibn Yahya, from Ahmad bin Muhammad, from Ali bin al Hakam bin Hisham bin Salem, from Imam Abu Abdullah PBUH: Abu Bakr and Umar went to Umm Salamah and asked her: "O Umm Salamah you were with a Man, so how does The Prophet PBUH feel about it?" (...until he said...) and Gabriel descended and offered the Prophet PBUH food from Jannah and told him: "O Muhammad this was made for you by al-Hoor of the Jannah so only you and Ali and those from your progeny can eat it." Then the messenger PBUH and Ali and Fatima and Hassan and Hussein PBUT all ate from it, thus the prophet PBUH was given the strength of forty Men and whenever he wished he would have sexual intercourse with all of his wives in one night.

-al-Kafi by al-Kulayni volume 5, pages 565-566, Hadith # 41.
al-Majlisi said "Hadith is SAHIH" in "mira'at al 'uqool" 20/421.

-Wasael al Shia by al-Hurr al Amili volume 20, pages 243-245, under chapter:
140 ـ باب استحباب كثرة الزوجات والمنكوحات وكثرة اتيانهن بغير افراط
"140 - Chapter that it is Mustahab(Liked) to marry many women and to have intercourse with them many times without being extreme."

-Bihar al-Anwar by al-Majlisi volume 22, pages 221-230, under chapter:
باب 3 : أحوال ام سلمة رضي الله عنها
"Chapter 3: Conditions of Umm Salama (ra)."


Also we see other miracles as narrated by Ahlulbayt in the Shia book Tafseer al-Burhan (4/43):

تفسير " البرهان " (4/ 43) عن هشام ،عن الصادق(ع) قال: إن داود لمّا جعله الله خليفة في الأرض أنزل عليه الزبور- إلى أن قال- ولداود حينئذ تسع وتسعون امرأة ما بين مهيرة إلى جارية .
translation: from Hisham from Imam al Sadiq PBUH: When Allah made Dawood into a Caliph on earth and revealed on him the Zabur (...until he said...) And Dawood back then had ninety nine women between wife and slave girl.

Shia scholar Ni'imatullah al-Jazaeri said in his book "Qasas al Anbiyaa" page 407:

نقل نعمة الله الجزائري في كتابه "قصص الأنبياء" (ص407): عن أبي الحسن(ع) قال: كان لسليمان بن داود ألف امرأة في قصر واحد، وثلاثمائة مهيرة وسبعمائة سرّية، ويطيف بهن في كل يوم وليلة .
وعلق الجزائري على الرواية ما نصه أقول: يحمتل طواف الزيارة ، الأظهر أنه طواف الجماع ) .
Translation: from Imam abu al-Hassan PBUH: Suleiman bin Dawood had a thousand women in one castle (...until he said...) He used to have intercourse with them every day and night."

in the same sources page 408:

عن أبي جعفر(ع) قال: كان لسليمان حصن بناه الشياطين له ، فيه ألف بيت في كل بيت منكوحة ، منهن سبعمائة أمة قطبية وثلاثمائة حرة مهيرة ، فاعطاه الله تعالى قوة أربعين رجلا في مباضعة النساء ، وكان يطوف بهن جميعا ويسعفهن .
Narrated from Imam Abu Ja'afar PBUH: "Suleiman had a fortress which the Jinn built for him, in it were a thousand houses each house containing a women he had slept with, seven hundred slave women and three hundred free women so Allah gave him the strength of forty men when it comes to intercourse and he used to visit all of them."

and other sources...

Salam Aleykum,

[TripolySunni]

Salam Aleykum,

As you all know the twelver Shia always make the brave warrior Ali (ra) appear as if he is a coward who is afraid to fight or ask for his rights... here are some of those filthy narrations from their books:


بحار الأنوار ج : 28 ص : 352

روي من كتاب السقيفة لأحمد بن عبد العزيز الجوهري عن أحمد بن‏إسحاق عن ابن عفير عن عبد الله بن عبد الرحمن عن أبي جعفر محمد بن علي ع أن عليا ع حمل فاطمة صلوات الله عليها على حمار و سار بها ليلا إلى بيوت الأنصار يسألهم النصرة و تسألهم فاطمة ع الانتصار له فكانوا يقولون يا بنت رسول الله قد مضت بيعتنا لهذا الرجل لو كان ابن عمك سبق إلينا أبا بكر ما عدلناه به فقال علي ع أ كنت أترك رسول الله ميتا في بيته لا أجهزه و أخرج إلى الناس أنازعهم في سلطانه و قالت فاطمة ما صنع أبو الحسن إلا ما كان ينبغي له و صنعوا هم ما الله حسيبهم عليه.

Narrated from imam Abu Abdullah Ja'afar bin Muhammad bin Ali: Ali (as) carried Fatima (as)on his donkey and he traveled with her at night until he reached the houses of the Ansar, He started asking them for help and support and Fatima (as) would ask them to support him and help him out, They used to say: "O Daughter of Rassulullah we have already given baya'ah to that Man, if your cousin were to come before Abu Bakr we wouldn't have chosen anyone else." Ali (as) said: "Should I leave the prophet dead in his house without preparing him for burial and instead go to fight for the leadership?"

sources:
-Bihar al-Anwar 28/352.
-Sharh Nahjul-Balagha 6/14 and 11/13.


كتاب ‏سليم ‏بن‏ قيس ص : 581

قال سلمان فلما أن كان الليل حمل علي ع فاطمة ع على حمار و أخذ بيدي ابنيه الحسن و الحسين ع فلم يدع أحدا من أهل بدر من المهاجرين و لا من الأنصار إلا أتاه في منزله فذكرهم حقه و دعاهم إلى نصرته.


Salman said: When the night came Ali (as) carried Fatima (as) on a donkey and he took the hands of his two sons Hassan and Hussein (as) then he left nobody from the people of Badr of the Mouhajirun and the Ansar unless he went to their houses and knocked on their doors reminding them of his right and telling them to support him.

source:
-Salim bin Qays p581.

You don't need a scientist of Hadith, all you need is an Arab who knows Arab Habits and culture to know that these horrible fabrications aren't true! No Arab Man would do this! Ali (ra) dragging Fatima (ra) along to every single house so that she would talk to all those Men in order to convince them to help him!? How Pathetic and LOW can the Shia narrators be in order to make up such disgusting narrations about the daughter of the messenger of Allah PBUH.

[MuslimBrother1]

Bro Tripolysunni: You made this thread only last your and look at the ammount of resposes :D

[TripolySunni]

Bro Tripolysunni: You made this thread only last your and look at the ammount of resposes :D

السلام عليكم

Let me show you why they come


عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ وَ مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ إِسْمَاعِيلَ عَنِ الْفَضْلِ بْنِ شَاذَانَ جَمِيعاً عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ مُعَاوِيَةَ بْنِ عَمَّارٍ قَالَ أُتِيَ أَبُو عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ( عليه السلام ) فِي الْمَسْجِدِ فَقِيلَ لَهُ إِنَّ سَبُعاً مِنَ سِبَاعِ الطَّيْرِ عَلَى الْكَعْبَةِ لَيْسَ يَمُرُّ بِهِ شَيْ‏ءٌ مِنْ حَمَامِ الْحَرَمِ إِلَّا ضَرَبَهُ فَقَالَ انْصِبُوا لَهُ وَ اقْتُلُوهُ فَإِنَّهُ قَدْ أَلْحَدَ

Ali bin Ibrahim from his father and Muhammad ibn Ismael from al-Fadl bin Shathan all of them from ibn abi 'Umayr from Mu'awiyah bin 'Ammar that: "Imam Abu Abdullah PBUH was in the mosque so they told him: There is a bird of prey on the Ka'abah and he attacks the pigeons and the other birds that come near the Ka'abah, the Imam told them: Lay a trap for him and kill him for he has become a Kaffir."

Shia source: al-Kafi 4/227.

Grading by Shia scholars:

مجلسي حسن كالصحيح17/72 – بهبودي صحيح2/107
-al-Majlisi said in "Miraat al-'Uqool" 17/72: "Hadith is Hasan like the SAHIH."
-al-Behbudi said in "Sahih al-Kafi" 2/107: "SAHIH."


Booya! Some bird just turned Kaffir so the Imam ordered his execution.

[TripolySunni]

Shia Imam's Rivalries with the birds continue:


الكافي - الكليني ج 6 ص 224
3 - علي بن إبراهيم ، عن أبيه ، عن ابن أبي عمير ، عن جميل بن دراج قال : سألت أبا عبد الله عليه السلام عن قتل الخطاف أو إيذائهن في الحرم ، فقال : لا يقتلن فإني كنت مع علي بن الحسين عليه السلام فرآني وأنا اؤذيهن فقال لي : يا بني لا تقتلهن ولا تؤذهن فإنهن لا يؤذين شيئا .

Ali bin Ibrahim from his Father from ibn abi Umayr from Jamil bin Darraj, he said: I asked Imam Abu Abdullah PBUH about killing the birds and hurting them, he replied: They must not be killed for I was with Ali bin al-Hussein PBUH so he saw me while I was hurting them and he told me: "O Son do not kill them nor hurt them for they hurt no one."

Shia source: al-Kafi 6/224.

Shia scholars grading:
-al-Majlisi said: "Isnad is good" in "miraat al-uqool" 21/370.

I love it when infallibles commit mistakes and are corrected by other infallibles.

[TripolySunni]

al-Salamu Aleykum,

A narration from the Shia book "Wasael al Shia" volume 28, page 280 #34759:


[ 34759 ] 6 ـ محمد بن محمد بن النعمان المفيد في كتاب ( الاختصاص ) عن علي بن إبراهيم بن هاشم ، عن أبيه ، قال : لمّا مات الرضا ( عليه السلام ) حججنا فدخلنا على أبي جعفر ( عليه السلام ) وقد حضر خلق من الشيعة ـ إلى أن قال : ـ فقال أبو جعفر ( عليه السلام ) : سئل أبي عن رجل نبش قبر امرأة فنكحها ؟ فقال أبي : يقطع يمينه للنبش ، ويضرب حد الزنا فان حرمة الميتة كحرمة الحية ، فقالوا : يا سيدنا تأذن لنا أن نسألك ؟ قال : نعم ، فسألوه في مجلس عن ثلاثين ألف مسألة ، فأجابهم فيها وله تسع سنين .

This Shia Hadith is narrated through ONLY trustworthy Shia narrators: Muhammad bin Muhammad bin al-Nu'uman al-Mufid in his book "al-Ikhtisas page 102" from 'Ali bin Ibrahim bin Hashim from his father Ibrahim that: (...)

Ibrahim al-Qummi said that he entered on Abu Ja'afar the Imam then a group of people came to the Imam and he was only 9 years old at the time, they sat with him and asked him 30,000 questions and he answered them all in one Majlis(one sitting).

Now I do not care about his age or anything else, what I care about is the number of Questions they asked and the number of answers he gave and all of this happened in one Majlis. Let's say for example that each question and its answer took only 1 minute, this makes 30,000 minutes and if you divide that by 60 you get 500 hours, it is humanly impossible for them to sit for 500 consecutive hours and ask him all of these 30,000 questions.

This narration is a CLEAR LIE according to Human logic, no one in his right mind would accept it, which brings me to my next point...

HOW CAN THE SHIA TRUST THEIR NARRATORS AFTER THIS!? all three of them are VERY trustworthy according to Shia yet we see them narrate an IMPOSSIBLE LIE, so at least one of these three people is a LIAR and FORGER OF HADITH, Either it's their top scholar al-Mufid, or their most famous narrator 'Ali bin Ibrahim, or another one of their biggest scholars Ibrahim al-Qummi.

You Shia decide, either way this is a fatal blow to your entire Shia religion.

wal Salam aleykum,

[TripolySunni]

Ridiculously stupid Shia narration from their main book "Usool al-kafi"

A narrations which shows how "Amazing" the Science of Hadith that the Shiites have and how sophisticated it is, it shows their criterion for accepting and rejecting narrations.

It is a long narration so I will only translate the relevant part:



مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ الْحُسَيْنِ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنْ صَفْوَانَ بْنِ يَحْيَى عَنْ دَاوُدَ بْنِ الْحُصَيْنِ عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ حَنْظَلَةَ قَالَ سَأَلْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ اللَّهِ عليه السلام
...
قلت : فإن كان الخبران عنكما مشهورين قد رواهما الثقات عنكم ؟
قال : ينظر فما وافق حكمه حكم الكتاب والسنة ، وخالف العامة فيؤخذ به ويترك ما خالف حكمه حكم الكتاب والسنة ووافق العامة .
قلت : جعلت فداك أرأيت إن كان الفقيهان عرفا حكمه من الكتاب والسنة ، ووجدنا أحد الخبرين موافقاً للعامة والآخر مخالفاً لهم بأي الخبرين يؤخذ ؟
قال : ما خالف العامة ففيه الرشاد .
فقلت : جعلت فداك ، فإن وافقهما الخبران جميعاً ؟
قال : ينظر إلى ما هم إليه أميل ، حكامهم وقضاتهم، فيترك ، ويؤخذ بالآخر .
...


al-Kulayni narrated that one of the Imam's companions called 'Umar bin Hanzalah "عُمَرَ بْنِ حَنْظَلَةَ " was asking his Imam about two conflicting narrations from the Imams al-Baqir and al-Sadiq and that both narrations are narrated through trustworthy shia...

Translation of relevant part:

I (ibn hanzalah) said: " What if the two narrations are famous and narrated from you through trustworthy Shia? "
The Imam replied: " You must look at what agrees with the book and the Sunnah and disagrees with the mainstream Muslims (i.e Sunnies) and work with it, you must abandon what disagrees with the book and the Sunnah and what agrees with the mainstream Muslims."
I said: " May I be sacrifice for you, what if the two shia scholars agree that both narrations are in accordance with the book and the Sunnah but one of the two narrations agrees with the mainstream muslims and the other disagrees with them, which one should we take? "
The Imam replied: " Take the one that disagrees with the mainstream Muslims for in it will be guidance. "
I said: " May I be sacrifice for you, what if both narrations agree with the ways of the mainstream Muslims? "
He replied: " Try to find out which one they lean towards the most and abandon it and take the one which they consider to be the weaker opinion. "

source: Usool al-Kafi 1/67-68.


Famous Shia scholar al-Majlisi said while commenting on the narration:

موثق تلقاه الأصحاب بالقبول
"Narration is reliable, our scholars received it with acceptance."
source: Miraat ul-'Uqool 1/221.

I say: WTH!!? these people must totally hate us in order to fabricate such horrible narrations!!! what's worse is their scholars agree to this nonsense, O Shia is this really how you judge the authenticity of your Hadith??? You try to take what opposes the Muslims and reject what the Muslims of the nation agree on??? Then you talk about "Islamic unity"!? what "unity" and what Garbage, who're you ppl Fooling!?

[haiderekarrar]

TripoliSunni,

This is slightly offtopic but seeing as your quite knowledgeable, could you kindly explain to me the differences between a wahabbi and a sunni plz? I heard that wahabis never call themselves wahabis and always claim to be sunnis.


Thanks.

[TripolySunni]

TripoliSunni,

This is slightly offtopic but seeing as your quite knowledgeable, could you kindly explain to me the differences between a wahabbi and a sunni plz? I heard that wahabis never call themselves wahabis and always claim to be sunnis.


Thanks.

al-Salamu Aleykum,

They say that Wahhabies are followers of Muhamad ibn Abdul-Wahhab who was a Scholar in Saudi that followed the Hanbali Madhab and concentrated in his books on issues of "Tawheed", this is why he is hated by Twelver Shias as he had criticized the practices they perform around graves such as asking help from the dead without mentioning Allah or even making soujoud to the graves of the dead pious people, he pretty much called them Moushriks(Polytheists) as a result.

Many Sufis also attack him as he accused them of falling into innovations and Bida'ah.

There is no such thing as "Wahhabies", ibn Abdul-Wahhab never created a sect or group and called it "Wahhabies", there are only Salafis and Hanbalis in Saudi which share his opinions on matters of "Tawheed" so they started calling them "Wahhabies".

The main influences on the Salafis are:
-Ibn Tayymiyah.
-Ibn Abdul-Wahhab.
-al-Albani.
-Ibn 'Uthaymeen.

The people who are accused of being "wahhabi" do not call themselves Wahhabies, they have no organisations or schools called "Wahhabi school" or "Wahhabbi organisation", they are either Hanbali in Madhab or Salafis.

"Wahhabi" is a modern term used by the Twelver Shia and recently a few Sufis to label those who criticize them or accuse them of falling into Bida'a(Innovations).

Another difference is that they are not "Asha'ari" or "Maturidi" in aqeedah as opposed to the majority of the nation, you can check out what Ibn Abdul-Wahhab himself says in his Kitab al-Tawheed I think he discusses these things there:
http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/creed/abdulwahab/

I personally never read it but I think it'll give you an idea about their understanding of Tawheed, you may agree with them on some things and disagree on other things.

و الصلاة و السلام على سيدنا محمد و على آله و صحبه و سلم

[qazi rehan]

Pillars of Belief in shiaism.
1. Succession of Ali(RA)
2. Imamat e Masooma
3. Ahlul Bait ur Rasool


Pillars of Belief According to Ahlul Sunnah.
1. Iman billah (believe in Tauheed of Allah)
2. Iman Bil Risalat (Believe In prophethood)
3. Iman bil Aakhirat(Believe in the day hereafter)


Comparison:
Now if you read Quran You will not find any single aayat describing clearly any pillar of shiaism, on the other hand, all the pillars of belief of Ahlul Sunnah are mentioned on almost every page of Quran.

واللہ اعلم

[wellwisher]

Assalamalaikum akhee tripolysunni can you please provide a clarfication to this dajjali deception and word games. Though i have my own answer for it, which lies in the narration of Umar(ra), but if you can provide some more benefitical points as usual it will be great.

Allah Himself has called him the mawla of all believers in this verse (33:6):

النَّبِىُّ أَوْلَى بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنْفُسِهِمْ

The Prophet is closer (awla) to the believers than themselves.

One can also translate awla as "have more authority over".

Awla is an adjective, and is the root of the word mawla. Whoever is awla is a mawla. Now, what does the above verse mean? Ibn Kathir tells us:

Loyalty to the Prophet ; and his wives are Mothers of the Believers

Allah tells us how His Messenger is merciful and sincere towards his Ummah, and how he is closer to them than they are to themselves. His judgement or ruling takes precedence over their own choices for themselves, as Allah says:

[فَلاَ وَرَبِّكَ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ حَتَّى يُحَكِّمُوكَ فِيمَا شَجَرَ بَيْنَهُمْ ثُمَّ لاَ يَجِدُواْ فِى أَنفُسِهِمْ حَرَجاً مِّمَّا قَضَيْتَ وَيُسَلِّمُواْ تَسْلِيماً ]

(But no, by your Lord, they can have no faith, until they make you judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept with full submission.) (4:65) In the Sahih it says:

«وَالَّذِي نَفْسِي بِيَدِهِ لَا يُؤْمِنُ أَحَدُكُمْ حَتَّى أَكُونَ أَحَبَّ إِلَيْهِ مِنْ نَفْسِهِ وَمَالِهِ وَوَلَدِهِ وَالنَّاسِ أَجْمَعِين»

(By the One in Whose Hand is my soul, none of you truly believes until I am dearer to him than his own self, his wealth, his children and all the people.) It was also reported in the Sahih that `Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "O Messenger of Allah, by Allah, you are dearer to me than everything except myself.'' He said,

«لَا، يَا عُمَرُ حَتَّى أَكُونَ أَحَبَّ إِلَيْكَ مِنْ نَفْسِك»

(No, O `Umar, not until I am dearer to you than yourself.) `Umar said: "O Messenger of Allah, by Allah, now you are dearer to me than everything, even myself.'' He said,

«الْآنَ يَاعُمَر»

(Now, O `Umar [you have got it right].) Allah says in this Ayah:

[النَّبِىُّ أَوْلَى بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنْفُسِهِمْ]

(The Prophet is closer to the believers than themselves,) Concerning this Ayah, Al-Bukhari narrated from Abu Hurayrah, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Prophet said:

«مَا مِنْ مُؤْمِنٍ إِلَّا وَأَنَا أَوْلَى النَّاسِ بِهِ فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ، اقْرَؤُوا إِنْ شِئْتُمْ:

[النَّبِىُّ أَوْلَى بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنْفُسِهِمْ]

(There is no believer except I am the closest of all people to him in this world and in the Hereafter. Recite, if you wish: (The Prophet is closer to the believers than themselves.)

فَأَيُّمَا مُؤْمِنٍ تَرَكَ مَالًا فَلْيَرِثْهُ عُصْبَتُهُ مَنْ كَانُوا، وَإِنْ تَرَكَ دَيْنًا أَوْ ضِيَاعًا فَلْيَأْتِنِي فَأَنَا مَوْلَاه»

If any believer leaves behind any wealth, let his own relatives inherit it, but if he leaves behind any debt or orphans, bring them to me and I will take care of them.) This was recorded only by Al-Bukhari, and he also recorded it in the Book of Loans.
http://tafsir.com/de...id=33&tid=41314

If you look at the Arabic version of Tafsir Ibn Kathir, you will see this under that same verse:

وقال البخاري عند هذه الآية الكريمة: حدثنا إبراهيم بن المنذر حدثنا محمد بن فليح، حدثنا أبي عن هلال بن علي عن عبد الرحمن بن أبي عمرة، عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: " ما من مؤمن إِلا وأنا أولى الناس به في الدنيا والآخرة، اقرؤوا إِن شئتم: { ٱلنَّبِىُّ أَوْلَىٰ بِٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنْفُسِهِمْ } ، فأيما مؤمن ترك مالاً، فليرثه عصبته من كانوا، وإِن ترك ديناً أو ضياعاً، فليأتني، فأنا مولاه "
http://altafsir.com/...=0&LanguageId=1

You notice Ibn Kathir citing a Hadith in Sahih al-Bukhari, in which the Prophet (pbuh) cited Qur'an 33:6 as evidence that he is the mawla of all believers.

So, now, we know that the verse establishes the Prophet (pbuh) as our mawla. In that verse, the meaning of mawla is two-fold:

1. We must obey the Prophet (pbuh) unconditionally. Even if we disagree with his orders, we MUST still faithfully obey them.
2. We must love him more than we love ourselves.

This is the way in which the Prophet (pbuh) is our mawla. No doubt, we cannot call this mere friendship!
Akhee these verses and narrations might be helpful to you in your reply since they too contain the word AWLA..

Most surely the nearest(awla) of people to Ibrahim are those who followed him and this Prophet and those who believe.(3:68)
Comment: lol from the above verse I hope that dajjali might not conclude that believers have authority over ibrahim(as)

75. And those who believed afterwards, and emigrated and strove hard along with you, they are of you. But kindred by blood are nearer(awla) to one another (regarding inheritance) in the decree ordained by Allah. Verily, Allah is the All-Knower of everything.


70. Then, verily, We know best those who are most worthy(awla) of being burnt therein.


(Sadaqah (i. e , charity) given to the poor is a charity, while the Sadaqah given to the relat ives
is both Sadaqah and Silah (nurturing relat ions), for they are the most deserving(awla) of you and your kindness and charity).


In the Sahih collected by Al-Bukhari, Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said: I, among all people, have the most right(awla) to the son of Maryam, for there was no Prophet between Him and I.

[TripolySunni]

Assalamalaikum akhee tripolysunni can you please provide a clarfication to this dajjali deception and word games. Though i have my own answer for it, which lies in the narration of Umar(ra), but if you can provide some more benefitical points as usual it will be great.

Akhee these verses and narrations might be helpful to you in your reply since they too contain the word AWLA..

Most surely the nearest(awla) of people to Ibrahim are those who followed him and this Prophet and those who believe.(3:68)
Comment: lol from the above verse I hope that dajjali might not conclude that believers have authority over ibrahim(as)

75. And those who believed afterwards, and emigrated and strove hard along with you, they are of you. But kindred by blood are nearer(awla) to one another (regarding inheritance) in the decree ordained by Allah. Verily, Allah is the All-Knower of everything.


70. Then, verily, We know best those who are most worthy(awla) of being burnt therein.


(Sadaqah (i. e , charity) given to the poor is a charity, while the Sadaqah given to the relat ives
is both Sadaqah and Silah (nurturing relat ions), for they are the most deserving(awla) of you and your kindness and charity).


In the Sahih collected by Al-Bukhari, Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said: I, among all people, have the most right(awla) to the son of Maryam, for there was no Prophet between Him and I.

He said: "Whoever is awla is a mawla." I've no idea what he's talking bout here...honestly, did nobody inform him that the word Mawla has plenty of meanings? and that the meaning depends on the context of the phrase?

Ya Akhi the word "Awla""أولى" is something and the word "Mawla""مولى" is something else and the word "Wali""ولي" is different and the word "wAli""والي" is different than all of them.

Look at the verse:

The Prophet is more worthy(Awla) of the believers than themselves, and his wives are [in the position of] their mothers. And those of relationship are [B]more entitled(Awla) [to inheritance] in the decree of Allah than the [other] believers and the emigrants, except that you may do to your close associates(Awliya) a kindness [through bequest]. That was in the Book inscribed. [Quran, Sahih international, 33:6]

What does closeness and friendship have to do with being a ruler of the state? If The Prophet PBUH who has the most accurate ad precise speech wanted to appoint Ali (ra) he would've simply said: "Ali is your Caliph after me"?

Bottom line is he is explaining the word "Mawla"as "Caliph/Amir", let the book of Allah be the judge:

>> The Day when no relation(Mawla) will avail a relation(Mawla) at all, nor will they be helped - (44:41)

This means that no ally and no supporter will benefit his his supporter on the day of Judgement. If you want to explain it like he did it would make no sense, it'll be like "No Caliph will benefit his Caliph!?"

>> And strive for Allah with the striving due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. [It is] the religion of your father, Abraham. Allah named you "Muslims" before [in former scriptures] and in this [revelation] that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you may be witnesses over the people. So establish prayer and give zakah and hold fast to Allah. He is your protector(Mawlakum); and excellent is the protector(Mawla), and excellent is the helper. (22:78)

Here it is the same thing, the word Mawla means that Allah is your protector, he is your Ally and your supporter. The Shia however he'll explain the word Mawla as "leader/Caliph" is this correct? have you ever seen a Muslims in the past 1400 years who says "Allah is my Caliph or Leader"??? nobody ever described the one GOD Allah by such a ridiculous thing.

>> And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do. (8:39) But if they turn away - then know that Allah is your protector(Mawla). Excellent is the protector(Mawla), and Excellent is the helper. (8:40)

same as above, the word Mawla means "protector, supporter, ally" NOT CALIPH.

>> Have they not traveled through the land and seen how was the end of those before them? Allah destroyed [everything] over them, and for the disbelievers is something comparable. (47:10) That is because Allah is the protector(Mawla) of those who have believed and because the disbelievers have no protector(Mawla). (47:11)

If you explain the word Mawla here as "leader" it means that the disbelievers have no leaders? what about george bush? and tony blair? aren't they leaders of the disbelievers?

those were the four positions in which the word "Mawla" was used in the Quran and as you can see none of them means Caliph/Amir.

we add this

>> If you two repent to Allah, [it is best], for your hearts have deviated. But if you cooperate against him[the Prophet] - then indeed Allah is his protector(Mawlahu), and Gabriel and the righteous of the believers and the angels, moreover, are [his] assistants. (66:4)

Does that Mean that Gabriel and the righteous believers and Allah are the leaders/Caliphs/Amirs of the prophet PBUH? or does the word Mawlahu means helpers, allies and supporters?


Besides Ali(ra) has to be our Mawla because Allah swt said in his book:

>> The believing men and believing women are allies(Awliya) of one another. (9:71)

So we are all Awliya of one another, you are my Mawla and I am your Mawla, and since Ali (ra) is a believer then he is also our Mawla whom we must support and help.

The Hadiths explain things quite clearly and show that the word Mawla cannot be taken and explained as "Caliph", for example:

Ali ibn abi Talib and al-Baraa bin 'Azib said in a Sahih Hadith:

أنت أخونا و مولانا
"The prophet PBUH said: "As for you Zaid you are our Brother and you are our Mawla."
source: Sahih al-Jami'i - 1479.

what now? you want to explain Mawla as Caliph go ahead.

[wellwisher]

Akhee what does mawla in this narration means?

"The prophet PBUH said: "As for you Zaid you are our Brother and you are our Mawla." Does it mean slave or the same as it is for Ali(ra)

[TripolySunni]

Akhee what does mawla in this narration means?
Does it mean slave or the same as it is for Ali(ra)

We ahlul-Sunnah know that what is meant is "Freed slave" but what's to stop us from saying that Zaid is Ali's partner in his Imamat? after all this Hadith is in Sahih Bukhari. If we wanted to do as the Shia are doing we'll just explain the word "Mawlana" here as Leader and call Zaid a holy divine Imam.

Oh n btw Zaid was appointed by Umar (ra) as a judge so the prophet's PBUH brother and Mawla gave Baya'ah to Umar (ra).

[wellwisher]

Assalamalaikum akhee tripolysunni, can you please update this artcile with some more relevant stuff... Actually I wanted to put such article in my blog..

There was an intresting statement in the article, which was written by my frnd umar ibn khattab(im sure you know him better than anyone else) :
There is lot to translate on this but due to lack of time I sufficed it with this only.
http://islamistruth.wordpress.com/2011/03/27/sunni-vs-shia-narrations-from-ahlul-bait-who-narrated-most/

[TripolySunni]

Assalamalaikum akhee tripolysunni, can you please update this artcile with some more relevant stuff... Actually I wanted to put such article in my blog..

There was an intresting statement in the article, which was written by my frnd umar ibn khattab(im sure you know him better than anyone else) :
http://islamistruth.wordpress.com/2011/03/27/sunni-vs-shia-narrations-from-ahlul-bait-who-narrated-most/

Salam Aleykum,

Sorry I've no idea who Umar bin al-Khattab is... anywho that article you're writing about the number of narrations from Ahlul-bayt, I didn't read it yet but it seems you skipped over al-Hassan bin Ali (ra):

The companions and scholars of Ahlul-bayt were very famous and trustworthy by consensus so the scholars of Ahlul-Sunnah have narrated many authentic narrations from them.

al-Hassan's Father Ali (ra) in the books of Ahlul-Sunnah:

-in the Musnad of Beqi bin Makhlad al-Andalusi (died 276 AH) there are 586 Hadiths from the Prophet PBUH narrated by Ali.
-in the Musnad of Ahmad bin Hanbal (died 241 AH) there are 819 Hadiths from the Prophet PBUH narrated by Ali.
-in the six main books of ahlul-Sunnah Ali has narrated from the Prophet PBUH 322 Hadiths, Bukhari and Muslim agreed on 20 of them while Bukhari narrated 9 others and Muslim narrated 15 others.

So out of the five Rashidun caliphs Ali (ra) narrated the most from the prophet PBUH because he died later and there were many narrators at his time and many students of religion who sought knowledge and sought to collect Hadiths.

As for his son al-Hassan bin Ali, he was not old enough to narrate directly from the Prophet PBUH like other young companions such as Mahmoud bin Rabi'i and Abdullah ibn Abbas, when the prophet PBUH died al-Hassan was only seven years of age but he still narrated a coupe Hadiths he memorized from him. those who narrated from al-Hassan were his son al-Hassan bin al-Hassan, Abu al-Hawraa al-Sa'adi, al-Shu'ubi, Hubairah bin Barim, Suweid bin Ghaflah and others...

-in the Musnad of Beqi bin Makhlad al-Andalusi (died 276 AH) there are 13 Hadiths from the Prophet PBUH narrated by al-Hassan.
-in the Musnad of Ahmad bin Hanbal (died 241 AH) there are 10 Hadiths from the Prophet PBUH narrated by al-Hassan.
-in the main four books of Sunan there are 6 Hadiths from the Prophet PBUH narrated by al-Hassan.

[Ibn Abbas]

Sidi Tripoly, jazkallah khair for assisting me with the shi'a rijal question! I was wondering if you visited this shia blog called Reviving Al-Islaam? This Shi`a user is calling shi`a's back to following hadiths..almost like the ahl-hadith movement.

Here is his article on Sayyidina Umar's marriage to Umm Kulthum (May Allah be Pleased with them Both).

http://www.revivingalislam.com/2010/12/umars-marriage-to-umm-kulthum.html

[TripolySunni]

Sidi Tripoly, jazkallah khair for assisting me with the shi'a rijal question! I was wondering if you visited this shia blog called Reviving Al-Islaam? This Shi`a user is calling shi`a's back to following hadiths..almost like the ahl-hadith movement.

Here is his article on Sayyidina Umar's marriage to Umm Kulthum (May Allah be Pleased with them Both).

http://www.revivingalislam.com/2010/12/umars-marriage-to-umm-kulthum.html

Salam Aleykum,

brother I have heard of Nader Zaveri and his interest in grading Shia Hadiths into Sahih and Hasan and Da'eef and such... I am no scholar of Hadith bt I am currently reading a research university thesis by a sunni scholar of hadith and I can tell you with confidence from what I am reading that the Shia DO NOT HAVE A SCIENCE OF HADITH, Nader Zaveri is an honest shia and he may not know this but his biggest classical scholars knew that if true science of Hadith was to be applied to their books their entire Madhab will fall into shambles, this is why the likes of al-Hurr al-Amili were against this.

Both Akhbari shia and Usooli shia scholars know the dangers of applying the science of Hadith, this is why they criticize all those who try to write books that collect all Sahih or all Da'eef narrations, one of their scholars "al-Behbudi" tried to apply this science to al-Kafi and ended up weakening more than half the book, he also applied it to al-Faqih... of course the Shia scholars attacked him and wiped the floor with him as a result, he was even forced to change the name of his book from "Sahih al-Kafi" to "Zubdat al-Kafi".

They do NOT Have a science of Hadith, That is a FACT.

salam aleykum,

[TripolySunni]

Salam Aleykum,

Interesting Hadiths from Ali (ra) about Mutah.


أن عليا بلغه أن رجلا لا يرى بالمتعة بأسا – فقال : إنك تائه ، إنه نهى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم عنها ، وعن لحوم الحمر الأهلية ، يوم خيبر
الراوي: محمد الباقر بن علي بن الحسين المحدث: الألباني - المصدر: صحيح النسائي - الصفحة أو الرقم: 3365
خلاصة حكم المحدث: صحيح

Muhammad al-Baqir bin Ali bin al-Hussein narrated: It had reached Ali that a man sees no harm in Mutah so Ali told him: "You are lost, the prophet PBUH had forbade the Nikah of Mutah and the meat of the domestic donkey on the day of Khaybar."

source: al-Albani said Sahih in "Sahih al-Nasaee" #3365.

a similar text is found in Sahih Muslim #1407.


أن عليا قال لابن عباس : إنك رجل تائه ، أما علمت أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم نهى عن المتعة وعن لحوم الحمر الأهلية
الراوي: علي بن أبي طالب المحدث: البيهقي - المصدر: السنن الصغير للبيهقي - الصفحة أو الرقم: 3/57
خلاصة حكم المحدث: صحيح

Ali ibn abi Talib narrates that he had told Ibn Abbas: "You are a lost man, do you not know that the prophet PBUH had made forbidden the Nikah of Mutah and the meat of the domestic donkey?"

source: al-Beihaqi said Sahih in "al-Sunan al-Sagheer" 3/57.


تكلم علي وابن عباس في متعة النساء فقال له علي إنك امرؤ تائه إن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم نهى عن متعة النساء في حجة الوداع
الراوي: علي المحدث: الهيثمي - المصدر: مجمع الزوائد - الصفحة أو الرقم: 4/268
خلاصة حكم المحدث: رجاله رجال الصحيح

Ali and ibn Abbas spoke about Mutah so Ali said to him: "You are a lost person, the Prophet PBUH forbade the Mutah of women in the farewell sermon."

source: al-Haythami said: "Rijal are of the Sahih" in his "Majma'a al-Zawaed"4/268.

Salam,

[TripolySunni]

Salam Aleykum,

'Abdullah Ibn 'Umar and al-Hussein Ibn 'Ali.


بلغ ابن عمر – وهو بمال له – أن الحسين بن علي قد توجه إلى العراق ، فلحقه على مسيرة يومين أو ثلاثة ، فقال : إلى أين ؟ فقال : هذه كتب أهل العراق ، وبيعتهم ، فقال : لا تفعل ، فأبى ، فقال له ابن عمر : إن جبريل عليه السلام أتى النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ، فخيره بين الدنيا والآخرة ، فاختار الآخرة ولم يرد الدنيا . وإنكم بضعة من رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ، كذلك يريده بكم ، فأبى ، فاعتنقه ابن عمر ؛ وقال : استودعتك الله ؛ والسلام
الراوي: الشعبي المحدث: الألباني - المصدر: صحيح الموارد - الصفحة أو الرقم: 1886
خلاصة حكم المحدث: حسن

al-Shu'ubi narrated: The news had reached Ibn Umar that Hussein bin Ali had left towards Iraq so he followed him for about two or three days until he reached him, Ibn Umar asked Hussein: "Where to?" He replied: "These are the books from the people of Iraq and their Baya'ah(Allegiance) to me" Ibn Umar said: "Don't do it" but Hussein insisted, then he told him: "Gabriel PBUH visited the Prophet PBUH and he gave him the choice between this life and the after life, he picked the after life and rejected this life. You are a part of him PBUH and he wants this for you also" but Hussein still insisted so Ibn Umar embraced him and said: "I leave you in the protection of Allah; And peace be with you."

source: al-Albani said: "it has a good Isnad" in "Sahih al-Mawarid" #1886.

[TripolySunni]

Salam Aleykum,

Remember when we "Wiped the floor" with the admin of the Forum called "TrueShiaChat" in a debate about Taqqiyah? his username is Wasil/Zurara and I talked abut him in post #366 here:
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?57727-Various-scandalous-and-corrupt-beliefs-of-Twelver-Shias&p=504080&highlight=wasil#post504080

Well it turns out the Shia on his forum were discussing Taqqiyah and how it is permissible to LIE to sunnies in order to win them over and soften their hearts (to convert them), read the discussion between the Admin "Wasil" and an Honest Shia called "SwissShia" here:

First of all the Honest Shia openly states that it is permissible in Shiism to LIE to Sunnies
A (http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/hanysal/D-2.jpg)

The Admin "Wasil/Zurara" as usual uses Taqqiyah in order to claim that Sunnies also say Lying is permissible and look at this lame example he presents
B (http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/hanysal/E-2.jpg)

Then the honest Shia replies to the Admin
C (http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/hanysal/F-2.jpg)

Then the honest Shia brings up the debate I had with this deviant Admin regarding taqqiyah
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Check out the arrogant and unconvincing reply
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What a sad bunch I mean I rarely visit any of their forums but if this is how they spend their time then I feel pity...............

[TripolySunni]

السلام عليكم و رحمة الله

First let's start this with two Shia narrations:

معاوية استعمل مروان بن الحكم على المدينة وأمره أن يفرض لشباب قريش، ففرض لهم، فقال علي بن الحسين : فأتيته، فقال : ((ما اسمك؟ فقلت : علي بن الحسين، فقال : ما اسم أخيك؟ فقلت : علي، فقال : علي وعلي؟ ما يريد أبوك أن يدع أحداً من ولده إلا سماه علياً؟ ثم فرض لي فرجعت إلى أبي فأخبرته، فقال : لو ولد لي مائة لأحببت أن لا أسمي أحداً منهم إلا علياً))

The Shia narrate that Mu'awiyah placed Marwan ibn al-Hakam on Madinah, so Ali bin al-Hussein met with him and Marwan asked him: "What is your name?" Ali said: "Ali bin al-Hussein" He said: "What is your brother's name?" He replied: "Ali", Marwan said: "Ali and Ali? your father will leave no one from his children unless he calls him Ali?" Ali then returned and told his father about this so his father told him: "Even if I get a hundred children I would love to name all of them none other than Ali."

sources:

الكافي ، للكليني ، 6/19 ، بحار الأنوار ، للمجلسي ، 44/211 ، شرح اللمعة ، 5/443 ، وسائل الشيعة ، 21/395 ، 15/128 ، جامع أحاديث الشيعة ، 21/340 ، مستدرك سفينة البحار ، 5/170 ، 10/448 ، موسوعة أحاديث الشيعة ، 12/244 ، مستدركات علم الرجال ، للشاهرودي ، 5/503 ، جواهر التاريخ ، للكوراني ، 3/371

al-Kafi for Kulayni 6/19, Bihar al-Anwar for Majlisi 44/211, Sharh al-Lam'ah al-Baydaa 5/443, Wasael al-Shia 21/395, 15/128, Jami'i Ahadith al-Shia 21/340, Mustadrak Safeenat al-Bihar 5/170, 10/448, Mawsou'at Ahadith al-Shia 12/244, Mustadrakat 'Ilm al-Rijal by al-Shahrudi 5/503, Jawahir al-Tarikh by al-Kourani 3/371.

Second narration:

أن يزيد قال لـه : ((واعجباً لأبيك سمى علياً وعلياً؟ فقال : إن أبي أحب أباه، فسمى باسمه مراراً)).
This time Yazid told him: "I find it strange that your father would call Ali and Ali?" He replied: "My father loved his father so he calls his children by his name."

sources:

بحار الأنوار ، للمجلسي ، 45/175 ، 329 ، العوالم للبحراني ، 411 ، مستدرك سفينة البحار ، 10/448 ، بلاغة الإمام علي بن الحسين للحائري ، 253
Bihar al-Anwar 45/175,329, a-'Awam by al-Bahrani p411, Mustadrak Safeenat al-Bihar 10/448, Balaghat al-Imam Ali bin al-Hussein by al-Haeri p253.


Now both of these narrations are fabricated according to the Ahlul-Sunnah but I am just quoting to show you what kind of hypocrites the Shia are.


Children of Caliph Ali ibn abi Talib (kw) from the Shia sources:



مناقب الإمام أمير المؤمنين (ع) - محمد بن سليمان الكوفي - ج 2 - ص 48 - 50
خبر أولاد علي رضي الله عنه كان له عليه السلام من أمهات الأولاد تسع عشرة . وذكر منهم . عبيد الله وأبا بكر وأمهما ليلى بنت مسعود ، وقال: قتل أبو بكر مع الحسين . والعباس وعثمان وجعفر الأكبر و عبد الله وأم عبد الله قتلوا مع الحسين عليه السلام. وأمهم أم البنين بنت حزام . وعمر بن علي ورقية بنت علي وهما توأم و أمهما الصهباء وهي أم حبيب بنت ربيعة. و أما الذين أعقبوا من ولد علي رضي الله عنه وعنهم فهم الحسن والحسين ومحمد بن الحنفية والعباس وعمر .

Manaqib al-Imam Ameer al Mumineen -Muhammad bin Suleiman al-Kufi - 2/48,50.
The news of Ali's children, he had from their mothers nineteen. those who are mentioned: 'Ubeidullah and Abu Bakr and their mother Leila bint Mas'oud, and he said:"Abu bakr was killed with al-Hussein. and al-Abbas and Ja'afar al-Akbar and Abdullah and Umm Abdullah they also died with al-Hussein PBUH, their mother was Umm al-Banin bint Huzam. 'Umar bin Ali and Ruqayyah bint Ali and they are twins, their mother is al-Sahbaa who is Umm Habib bint Rabe'ah. As for those who had a progeny from his sons they are: Hassan, Hussein, Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyah, al-Abbas and 'Umar.


الإرشاد - الشيخ المفيد - ج 1 - ص 354 - 356
ذكر أولاد أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام وعددهم وأسمائهم ومختصر من أخبارهم. فأولاد أمير المؤمنين صلوات الله عليه سبعة وعشرون ولدا ذكرا وأنثى : منهم عمر ورقية كانا توأمين ، وأمهما أم حبيب بنت ربيعة . والعباس وجعفر وعثمان و عبد الله الشهداء مع أخيهم الحسين ابن علي صلوات الله عليه وعليهم بطف كربلاء ، أمهم أم البنين بنت حزام بن خالد بن دارم . ومحمد الأصغر المكنى أبا بكر وعبيد الله الشهيدان مع أخيهما الحسين عليه السلام بالطف ، أمهما ليلى بنت مسعود الدارمية .

al-Irshad - Sheikh al-Mufid - 1/354,356.
Mentioning the children of Ameer al-Mumineen PBUH and their number and their names and a brief summary of their lives. He PBUH had twenty seven children: from them is 'Umar and Ruqayyah who were twins, their mother was Umm Habib bint Rabe'ah. al-Abbas and Ja'afar and 'Uthman and Abdullah were martyrs with their brother al-Hussein bin Ali PBUT in Karbala, their mother was Umm al-Banin bint Huzam bin Khaled bin Daram. Muhammad al-Asghar who had the Kuniyah Abu Bakr and 'Ubeidullah are martyrs with their brother al-Hussein PBUH in Karbala, their mother is Leila bint Mas'oud al-Daramiyah.


تاج المواليد (المجموعة) - الشيخ الطبرسي - ص 32 - 46
أولاد أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام :..عثمان ، وأبو بكر...ومن بنى الحسن عليه السلام ..أبو بكر

Taj al-Mawalid - Sheikh al-Tubrusi - p32,46.
The sons of Ameer al Mumineen PBUH: "(...) 'Uthman, and Abu bakr (...) and from the children of al-Hassan PBUH (...) Abu Bakr."


العمدة - ابن البطريق - ص 29 - 30
وأولاده أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام سبعة وعشرون ذكرا وأنثى ..منهم عمر ورقية ، وكانا توأمين ، وأمهما أم حبيب بنت ربيعة . العباس وجعفر وعثمان وعبد الله : الشهداء مع أخيهم الحسين عليهم السلام بطف كربلاء ، أمهم " أم البنين . محمد الأصغر المكنى أبا بكر ، وعبيد الله الشهيدان مع أخيهما الحسين بطف كربلاء أمهم ليلى ابنة مسعود الدارمية .

al-'Umdah - Ibn al-Batriq - p29,30.
And the children of Ameer al Mumineen PBUH are twenty seven (...) from them are 'Umar and Ruqayyah, and they were twins, their mother was Umm Habib bint Rabe'ah. al-Abbas and Ja'afar and 'Uthman and Abdullah: The martyrs with their brother al-Hussein PBUT in Karbala, their mother is Umm al-Banin. Muhammad al-Asghar who had the Kuniyah Abu bakr and 'Ubeidullah are martyrs with their brother al-Hussein in Karbala their mother is Leila daughter of Mas'oud al-Daramiyah.


المستجاد من الإرشاد (المجموعة) - العلامة الحلي - ص 138 - 152
باب في ذكر أولاد أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام وعددهم وأسمائهم ومختصر من اخبارهم ، فأولاد أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام سبعة وعشرون ولدا....منهم عمر ورقية كانا توأمين أمهما أم حبيب بنت ربيعة والعباس وجعفر وعثمان وعبد الله الشهداء مع أخيهم الحسين عليه السلام بطف كربلا أمهم أم البنين بنت حزام بن خالد بن جعفر بن دارم ومحمد الأصغر المكنى بابى بكر وعبيد الله الشهيدان مع أخيهما الحسين عليه السلام بالطف أمهما ليلى بنت مسعود الدارمية.

al-Mustajad min al-Irshad - al-'Allamah al-Helli - p138,152.
Chapter: "In mentioning the children of Ameer al Mumineen PBUH and their number and their names and a brief summary of their lives."
'Umar and Ruqayyah who were twins, their mother was Umm Habib bint Rabe'ah. al-Abbas and Ja'afar and 'Uthman and Abdullah were martyrs with their brother al-Hussein bin Ali PBUT in Karbala, their mother was Umm al-Banin bint Huzam bin Khaled bin Daram. Muhammad al-Asghar who had the Kuniyah Abu Bakr and 'Ubeidullah are martyrs with their brother al-Hussein PBUH in Karbala, their mother is Leila bint Mas'oud al-Daramiyah.


عمدة الطالب - ابن عنبة - ص 64 - 71
قال محمد بن محمد - يعنى نفسه - مات من أولاد على " ع " الذكور وهم تسعة عشر ستة في حياته وورثه منهم ثلاثة عشر قتل منهم بالطف ستة والله أعلم . ( والعقب ) من أمير المؤمنين على " ع " في خمسة رجال الحسن والحسين ومحمد بن الحنفية والعباس شهيد الطف ، وعمر الأطرف فلنذكر أعقابهم في خمسة فصول .
الفصل الأول في ذكر عقب السبط الشهيد أبى محمد الحسن بن علي بن أبي طالب " ع..منهم أبو بكر وعمر . وقال الموضح النسابة : عبد الله هو أبو بكر . وقال أبو نصر البخاري : أولد الحسن بن علي ثلاثة عشر ذكرا وست بنات . منهم عمر

'Umdat al-Talib - Ibn 'Anabah - p64,71.
Muhammad ibn Muhammad said - meaning himself - : Those who died from the children of 'Ali PBUH from the males are nineteen, six in his life and thirteen inherited him and out of them six died in Karbala and Allah knows best. The progeny of Ameer al Mumineen Ali PBUH was in five men: Hassan, Hussein, Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiya, al-Abbas the martyr of Karbala and 'Umar al-Atraf and we shall mention their progeny in five chapters.
First chapter in mentioning the progeny of al-Sabt al-Shaheed Abu Muhammad al-Hassan bn 'Ali bin abi Talib PBUH (...) from them Abu Bakr and 'Umar. al-Muwaddih al Nasabah said: Abdullah is Abu bakr, Abu Nasr al-Bukhari said: al-Hassan bin Ali had thirteen sons and six daughters from them is 'Umar.


بحار الأنوار - العلامة المجلسي - ج 42 - ص 89 - 95
أولاد أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام سبعة وعشرون ولدا ذكرا وأنثى..منهم عمر ورقية كانا توأمين وأمهما أم حبيب بنت ربيعة ، والعباس وجعفر وعثمان وعبد الله الشهداء مع أخيهم الحسين عليهم السلام بطف كربلاء أمهم أم البنين بنت حزام بن خالد بن دارم ، ومحمد الأصغر المكنى بأبي بكر وعبد الله الشهيدان مع أخيهما الحسين بن علي عليهما السلام بالطف أمهما ليلى بنت مسعود الدارمية.
قال ابن أبي الحديد في شرح نهج البلاغة : أبو بكر وعبد الله فأمهما ليلى بنت مسعود النهشلية من تميم ، وأما عمر ورقية فأمهما سبية من بني تغلب يقال لها : الصهباء ، سبيت في خلافة أبي بكر وإمارة خالد بن الوليد بعين التمر.
مناقب ابن شهرآشوب : قال الشيخ المفيد في الارشاد : أولاده خمسة وعشرون ، وربما يزيدون على ذلك إلى خمسة وثلاثين ، ذكره النسابة العمري في الشافي وصاحب الأنوار ، البنون خمسة عشر والبنات ثمانية عشر..منهم من أم البنين ابنة حزام بن خالد الكلابية عبد الله وجعفر الأكبر والعباس وعثمان ، ومن أم حبيب بنت ربيعة التغلبية عمر ورقية توأمان في بطن.
من أم شعيب المخزومية أم الحسن ورملة ، ومن الهملاء بنت مسروق النهشلية أبو بكر وعبد الله. وفي الأحكام الشرعية عن الخزاز القمي أنه نظر النبي صلى الله عليه وآله إلى أولاد علي وجعفر فقال : بناتنا لبنينا وبنونا لبناتنا .وأعقب له من خمسة : الحسن والحسين ومحمد بن الحنفية والعباس الأكبر وعمر.

Bihar al-Anwar - al-'Allamah al-Majlisi - 42/89,95.
The children of Ameer al Mumineen PBUH are twenty seven (...) from them are 'Umar and Ruqayyah who were twins and their mother was Umm Habib bint Rabe'ah, al-Abbas and Ja'afar and 'Uthman and 'Abdullah are martyrs with their brother al-Hussein PBUT in Karbala, their mother is umm al-Banin bint Huzam bin Khaled bin Daram, and Muhammad al-Asghar who had the Kuniyah Abu Bakr and 'Abdullah are martyrs with their brother al-Hussein bin Ali PBUT in Karbala, their mother is Leila bint Mas'oud al-Daramiyah.
Ibn Abi al-Hadid said in Sharh Nahjul Balagha: Abu Bakr and Abudllah their mother is Leila bint Mas'oud al-Nahshaliyyah from Tamim, and as for 'Umar and Ruqayyah their mother is from Bani Taghlub who was called "al-Sahbaa", she was taken as slave girl during the Caliphate of Abu Bakr and the Emirate of Khaled bin al-Walid in 'Ein al-Tamr.
Manaqib ibn Shahr-Ashoub: Sheikh al-Mufid said in al-Irshad: His children are twenty five and maybe more to reach thirty five, it is mentioned by al-Nasabah al-'Umari in al-Shafi and Saheb al-Anwar, his sons are fifteen and his daughters are eighteen (...) from them from their mother Umm al-Banin bint Huzam bin Khaled al-Kilabiyyah are his sons 'Abdullah and Ja'afar al-Akbar and al-Abbas and 'Uthman. From their mother Umm Habib bint Rabe'ah al-Taghlubiyyah are his sons 'Umar and Ruqayyah are twins in one womb.
From Umm Shu'ayb al-Makhzoumiyah are umm al-Hassan and Ramlah. fro their mother al-Hamlaa bint Masrouq al-Nahshaliyyah are Abu Bakr and 'Abdullah. in "al-Ahkam al Shari'iyah" from al-Khuzaz al-Qummi that the Prophet PBUH looked at the children of Ali and Ja'afar then said: "Our sons for our daughters and our daughters for our sons", and Ali had a progeny from five of his sons: Hassan, Hussein, Muhammmad ibn al-Hanafiyah, al-Abbas al-Akbar and 'Umar.


مستدرك سفينة البحار - الشيخ علي النمازي الشاهرودي - ج 7 - ص 385 - 391
باب أحوال أولاد أمير المؤمنين ( عليه السلام ) وأزواجه وأمهات أولاده ..ومنهم أربع أولاد من أم البنين : العباس وجعفر وعثمان و عبد الله الشهداء بكربلاء . أقول : مقتضى جمع الروايات أن هذا الأربع مع عمر وعبيد الله المكنى بأبي بكر من شهداء الطف... والمتشرفون بسلام الناحية المقدسة عبد الله ، وأبو الفضل العباس ، وجعفر ، وعثمان ، ومحمد .. وذكر السيد في الإقبال في زيارة شعبان : العباس وجعفر و عبد الله وأبا بكر وعثمان أبناء أمير المؤمنين ( عليه السلام ). ، وعدهم من الشهداء.. وأما غير الشهداء...عمر ورقية توأمان أمهما أم حبيب ، وأبو بكر محمد الأصغر ، و عبد الله الشهيدان بالطف أمهما ليلى بنت مسعود. وعن الناسخ أنه زاد عثمان الأصغر وعباس الأصغر وجعفر الأصغر وعمر الأصغر.

Mustadrak Safeenat al-Bihar - Sheikh Ali al-Namazi al-Shahroudi - 7/385,391.
Chapter "Conditions of the children of Ameer al Mumineen PBUH and his wives and mothers of his children"
From them are five from Umm al-Banin: al-Abbas, Ja'afar, 'Uthman, 'Abdullah all martyrs in Karbala. I say: After gathering the narrations we find that those four plus 'Umar and 'Ubeidullah who had the Kuniyah Abu Bakr are all martyrs if Karbala (...) al-Sayyed in "al-Iqbal" under "Ziyarat Sha'aban" has counted: al-Abbas and Ja'afar and 'Abdullah and Abu Bakr and 'Uthman the sons of Ameer al-Mmineen PBUH and he considered them from the martyrs (...) as for those who were not martyrs are the twins 'Umar and Ruqayyah and their mother was Umm Habib, and Abu bakr Muhammad al-Asghar and his brother 'Abdullah are martyrs in Karbala and their mother was Leila bint Mas'oud. From the one who was doing the Naskh that he added: "'Uthman al-Asghar, al-Abbas al-Asghar, Ja'afar al-Asghar and 'Umar al-Asghar."


مستدركات أعيان الشيعة - حسن الأمين - ج 2 - ص 248
استشهد الحسين ، ومعه الكوكبة الطاهرة من شهداء أهل البيت : العباس ، وجعفر ، وعثمان ، ومحمد ، وأبو بكر أولاد علي بن أبي طالب ، وأبو بكر ، وعبد الله ، والقاسم أولاد الحسن.

Mustadrakat A'iyan al-Shia Hassan al-Ameen - 2/248.
al-Hussein martyred and with him was the pure family of the martyrs of Ahlul-bayt: al-Abbas, Ja'afar, 'Uthman, Muhammad and Abu bakr the children of Ali bin Abi Talib, also with them there was: Abu bakr, 'Abdullah and al-Qassim the children of al-Hassan bin Ali.


أعيان الشيعة - السيد محسن الأمين - ج 1 - ص 610
من أنصار الحسين ع الذين قتلوا معه من بني هاشم أولاد أمير المؤمنين ع 1 أبو بكر بن علي. 2 عمر بن علي. 10 عثمان بن علي. أولاد الحسن ع. 12 أبو بكر بن الحسن.

A'ayan al-Shia- al-Sayyed Muhsin al-Ameen - 1/610.
From the supporters of Hussein PBUH who died with him, from bani Hashim the sons of Ameer al-Mumineen PBUH:
1- Abu bakr bin Ali.
2- 'Umar bin Ali.
(...)
10- 'Uthman bin Ali.
And from the children of al-Hassan PBUH:
(...)
12- Abu Bakr bin al-Hassan.


إعلام الورى بأعلام الهدى - الشيخ الطبرسي - ج 1 - ص 395 - 406
في ذكر أولاد أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام وعددهم وأسمائهم وهم سبعة وعشرون ولدا ذكرا وأنثى.. منهم العباس ، وجعفر ، وعثمان ، وعبد الله الشهداء مع أخيهم الحسين عليه السلام بكربلاء - رضي الله عنهم - أمهم أم البنين بنت حزام بن خالد بن دارم. وعمر ، ورقية أمهما أم حبيب بنت ربيعة وكانا توأمين . ومحمد الأصغر المكنى بأبي بكر ، وعبيد الله الشهيدان مع أخيهما الحسين عليه السلام بطف كربلاء وأمهما ليلى بنت مسعود الدارمية . وأعقب عليه السلام من خمسة بنين : الحسن والحسين عليهما السلام ، ومحمد والعباس وعمر رضي الله عنهم.

I'ilam al-Wara bi A'alam al-Huda - Sheikh al-Tubrusi - 1/395,406.
Mentioning the names of the children of Ameer al Muminen PBUH and their numbers and their names and they are twenty seven (...) from them al-Abbas and Ja'afar and 'Uthman and 'Abdullah the martyrs with their brother al-Hussein PBUH in Karbala - may Allah be pleased with them - Their mother is Umm al-Banin bint Huzam bin Khaled bin Daram. 'Umar and Ruqayyah their mother is Umm Habib bint Rabe'ah and they were twins. Muhammad al-Asghar who had the Kuniyah Abu Bakr and 'Ubeidullah the martyrs with their brother al-Hussein PBUH in Karbala, their mother was Leila bint Mas'oud al-Daramiyyah. Ali PBUH had progeny from his five sons: Hassan and Hussein PBUT and Muhammad and al-Abbas and 'Umar may Allah be pleased with them.


كشف الغمة - ابن أبي الفتح الإربلي - ج 2 - ص 67 - 73
ذكر أولاده الذكور والإناث عليه وعليهم السلام. قال المفيد رحمه الله أولاد أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام سبعة وعشرون ولدا ذكرا..منهم عمر ورقية كانا توأمين وأمهما أم حبيبة بنت ربيعة والعباس وجعفر وعثمان وعبد الله الشهداء مع أخيهم الحسين صلوات الله عليه وعليهم السلام بطف كربلا أمهم أم البنين بنت حزام بن خالد بن دارم ومحمد الأصغر المكنى أبا بكر وعبيد الله الشهيدان مع أخيهما الحسين عليه السلام بالطف أمهما ليلى بنت مسعود الدارمية. وقال كمال الدين بن طلحة رحمه الله ( الفصل الحادي عشر ) في ذكر أولاده عليه السلام..منهم الحسن والحسين ومحمد الأكبر وعبيد الله وأبو بكر والعباس وعثمان وجعفر وعبد الله ومحمد الأصغر ويحيى وعون وعمر ومحمد الأوسط عليه السلام .

Kashf al-Ghummah - Ibn Abi al-Fath al Arbeeli - 2/67,73.
Mentioning his children both male and female PBUT. al-Mufid said: He PBUH had twenty seven children: from them is 'Umar and Ruqayyah who were twins, their mother was Umm Habib bint Rabe'ah. al-Abbas and Ja'afar and 'Uthman and Abdullah were martyrs with their brother al-Hussein bin Ali PBUT in Karbala, their mother was Umm al-Banin bint Huzam bin Khaled bin Daram. Muhammad al-Asghar who had the Kuniyah Abu Bakr and 'Ubeidullah are martyrs with their brother al-Hussein PBUH in Karbala, their mother is Leila bint Mas'oud al-Daramiyah.
Kamal al-Deen bin talha said (Eleventh Chapter) In mentioning the names of his children PBUH (...) from them are al-Hassan, al-Hussein, Muhammad al-Akbar, 'Ubeidullah, Abu bakr, al-Abbas, 'Uthman, Ja'afar, 'Abdullah, Muhammad al-Asghar, Yahya, 'Awn, 'Umar and Muhammad al-Awsat PBUH.


الفصول المهمة في معرفة الأئمة - ابن الصباغ - ج 1 - ص 641 - 663
في ذكر أولاده عليه وعليهم السلام أولاد أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب ( عليه السلام )..منهم عمر ورقية كانا توأمين ، وأمهماأم حبيب بنت ربيعة. والعباس وجعفر وعثمان وعبد الله الشهداء مع أخيهم الحسين ( عليه السلام ) بطف كربلاء ، أمهم أم البنين بنت حزام بن خالد بن دارم . ومحمد الأصغر المكنى أبا بكر وعبد الله الشهيدان أيضا مع أخيهما الحسين بكربلاء ، أمهما ليلى بنت مسعود الدارمية ( 1 ) . واعلم أن الناس قد اختلفوا في عدد أولاده ذكورا وإناثا ، فمنهم من أكثر ومنهم من اختصر ، والذي نقله صاحب كتاب الصفوة أن أولاده الذكور أربعة عشر ذكرا ، وأولاده الإناث تسعة عشر إناثا . وهذا تفصيل أسمائهم رضوان الله عليهم أجمعين . الذكور : الحسن ، والحسين ، ومحمد الأكبر ، وعبيد الله ، وأبو بكر ، والعباس ، وعثمان ، وجعفر ، وعبد الله ، ومحمد الأصغر ، ويحيى ، وعون ، وعمر ، ومحمد الأوسط ....والنسل منهم للحسن والحسين ومحمد ابن الحنفية والعباس ابن الكلابية وعمر ابن التغلبية وهي الصهباء بنت ربيعة من السبي الذين أغار عليهم خالد بن الوليد بعين التمر وعمر عمر هذا حتى بلغ خمسا وثمانين سنة فحاز نصف ميراث علي ( عليه السلام )
وذلك أن جميع إخوته وأشقائه - وهم عبد الله وجعفر وعثمان - قتلوا جميعهم قبله مع الحسين ( عليه السلام ) بالطف فورثهم.

al-Fusoul al-Muhimmah fi Ma'arifat al-Aimmah - ibn al-Sabbagh - 1/641,663.
In mentioning the children of Ameer al-Mumineen Ali bin Abi Talib PBUH (...)from them 'Umar and Ruqayyah who were twins, their mother was Umm Habib bint Rabe'ah. al-Abbas, Ja'afar, 'Uthman and 'Abdullah the martyrs with their brother al-Hussein in Karbala PBUT,their mother was umm al-Banin bint huzam bin Khaled bin Daram. Muhammad al-Asghar who had the Kuniyah Abu bakr and Abdullah who are also martyrs with their brother Hussein in Karbala,their mother was Leila bint Mas'oud al-Daramiyah (1). You should know that there is a disagreement concerning the number of sons and daughters, some mentioned more and some less. What Saheb al-Safwah mentioned is that his sons were fourteen and his daughters were nineteen.These are their names PBUT, the males: Hassan, Hussein, Muhammad al-Akbar, 'Ubeidullah, Abu bakr, al-Abbas, 'Uthman, Ja'afar, 'Abdullah, Muhammd al-Asghar, Yahya, 'Awn, 'Umar, Muhammad al-Awsat (...) His progeny was from his children: Hassan, Hussein, Muhammad ibn al Hanafiyah, al-Abbas ibn al-Kilabiyyah, 'Umar ibn al-Taghlubuyyah and she is al-Sahbaa bint rabe'ah from the captives taken after the attack of Khaled bin al-Walid in 'Ein al-Tamr, This 'Umar has aged until eighty five years so he acquired the half of Ali's PBUH inheritance, this is because all of his brothers - 'Abdullah, Ja'afar and 'Uthman - they were all killed with Hussein PBUH before him in Karbala so he inherited them as well.


الفصول المهمة في معرفة الأئمة - ابن الصباغ - ج 2 - ص 842 - 852
ذكر من قتل من أصحاب الحسين ( عليه السلام ) ومن أهل بيته ومواليه... وقتل أبو بكر بن علي وأمه ليلى بنت مسعود الدارمية . وقتل أبو بكر بن الحسن ، وأمه أم ولد ، قتله حرملة بن الكاهل رماه بسهم .

al-Fusoul al-Muhimmah fi ma'arifat al Aimmah - Ibn al Sabbagh - 2/842,852.
Mentioning the companions of Hussein PBUH who were killed from his Ahlul-bayt (...) and Abu Bakr bin Ali was killed and his mother Leila bint Mas'oud al-Daramiyah as well. Abu bakr bin al-Hassan and his mother Umm Walad they were killed, Harmalah ibn al-Kahel killed him by throwing a spear.


موسوعة شهادة المعصومين (ع) - لجنة الحديث في معهد باقر العلوم (ع) - ج 1 - ص 268 - 275
أولاد أمير المؤمنين سبعة وعشرون ولدا ذكرا وأنثى : منهم..عمر، عثمان، محمد الأصغر المكنى بأبى بكر.
[ 443 ] - 35 - قال ابن الطقطقي : أعقب ( عليه السلام ) من خمسة أولاد : الحسن والحسين ( عليهما السلام ) ومحمد بن الحنفية والعباس و عمر الأطرف.

Mawsou'at Shuhadaa al-Ma'asoumeen PBUT - Lajnat al-Hadith fi Ma'ahad Baqir al-'Uloum PBUH - 1/268,275.
Children of Ameer al Mumineen are twenty seven: (...) 'Umar, 'Uthman, Muhammad al-Asghar who had the Kuniyah Abu Bakr. Ibn al-Taqtaqi said: He PBUH had a progeny from his five children: Hassan, Hussein PBUT Muhamad ibn al-Hanafiyyah, al-Abbas and 'Umar al-Atraf.


تاريخ أهل البيت (ع) - رواية كبار المحدثين والمؤرخين - ص 93 - 138
ولد أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام ). ولد لأمير المؤمنين عليه السلام ، من أم البنين بنت خالد بن يزيد الكلابية : عثمان . ومن أم حبيب التغلبية من سبي خالد ابن الوليد - : عمر . ومن ليلى بنت مسعود : أبو بكر . من أعقب من ولد أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام : الحسين والحسين ومحمد بن الحنفية والعباس وعمر. ولد لأمير المؤمنين عليه السلام ، من غير فاطمة : عثمان . أبو بكر . عمر . عمر الأصغر . قتل العباس ، وعثمان ، وجعفر ، وعبد الله الأكبر مع الحسين صلوات الله عليه.

Tareekh Ahlul-bayt PBUH - Riwayat Kibar al-Muhadditheen wal Muarikheen - p93,138.
Ameer al-Mumineen PBUH had from his wife Umm al-Banin bint Khaled bin Yazid al-Kullabiyah: 'Uthman (...) and from Umm Habib al-Taghlubiyyah from the sabiof Khaled ibn al-Walid: 'Umar (...) and from Leila bint Mas'oud: Abu Bakr (...) Ameer al Mumineen's progeny was from his sons: Hassan, Hussein, Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah, al-Abbas and 'Umar. Ameer al Mumieen had children from other than Fatima: (...) Abu Bakr (...) 'Umar (...) 'Umar al-Asghar. Those who were killed are al-Abbas and 'Uthman and Ja'afar (...) and Abdullah al-Akbar with al-Hussein PBUH.


أبصار العين في أنصار الحسين (ع) - الشيخ محمد السماوي - ص 223 - 229
قتل في الطف مع الحسين ( عليه السلام ) خمسة إخوة من بني هاشم وهم : العباس ،وعثمان ، وجعفر ، وأبو بكر ، وعبد الله أولاد علي ( عليه السلام ) ، فيكون الحسين ( عليه السلام ) سادسهم ، ( وثلاثة إخوة ) : وهم : أبو بكر ، والقاسم ، وعبد الله ، أولاد الحسن ( عليه السلام )

Absar al-'Ein fi Ansar al-Hussein PBUH - Sheikh Muhammad al-Samawi - p223,229.
Those who were killed with al-Hussein PBUH in Karbala were five brothers from bani Hashim: al-Abbas, 'Uthman, Ja'afar, Abu Bakr and Abudllah the children of Ali PBUH. Thus Hussein would be the sixth of them, also three other brothers: Abu bakr, al-Qassim and 'Abdullah and they are the children of al-Hassan PBUH.


شرح إحقاق الحق - السيد المرعشي - ج 32 - ص 674 - 680
تزوج علي بن أبي طالب أم البنين بنت حزام من بني عامر بن كلاب فولدت له العباس وجعفرا وعبدالله وعثمان . وليلى بنت مسعود التيمية فولدت عبد الله وأبا بكر . والصهباء بنت ربيعة من بني جشم بن بكر وهي أم ولد من سبي تغلب فولدت له عمر ورقية . وكان النسل من ولده الخمسة الحسن والحسين ومحمد بن الحنفية والعباس وعمر .

Sharh Ihqaq al-Haqq - al-Sayyed al-Mur'ashi - 32/674,680.
Ali bin abi Talib married Umm al-Banin bint Huzam from bani 'Amir bin Kilab and she got him: al-Abbas, Ja'afar, 'Abudllah and 'Uthman (...) he married Leila bint Mas'oud al-Taymiyyah and she got him: Abu Bakr and 'Abudllah (...) Also al-Sahbaa bint Rabe'ah from bani Jashm bin Bakr and she is Umm Walad the captive from Taghlub and she got him: 'Umar and Ruqayyah (...) and the progeny was from five: Hassa and Hussein, Muhamad ibn al-Hanafiyyah, al-Abbas and 'Umar.


التنبيه والإشراف - المسعودي - ص 263
دفن - أي الحسين- بكربلاء من ارض العراق وله سبع وخمسون سنة ، وقتل معه من ولد أبيه ستة وهم العباس وجعفر وعثمان ومحمد الأصغر وعبد الله وأبو بكر ومن ولده ثلاثة على الأكبر وعبد الله صبي وأبو بكر بنو الحسين بن علي

al-Tanbih wal Ishraf - al-Mas'oudi - p263.
al-Hussein was buried in Karbla in Iraq and he was fifty seven years old, Those from his father's children who died with him were six: al-Abbas, Ja'afar, 'Uthman, Muhammad al-Asghar, 'Abdullah, Abu Bakr. Also three of his children died: Ali al-Akbar, 'Abdullah, Abu bakr the children of al-Hussein bin Ali.


بحار الأنوار - العلامة المجلسي - ج 45 - ص 62 - 63
وقال ابن شهرآشوب وصاحب المناقب ومحمد بن أبي طالب : اختلفوا في عدد المقتولين من أهل البيت عليهم السلام فالأكثرون على أنهم كانوا سبعة وعشرين..من ولد علي عليه السلام تسعة : الحسين عليه السلام ، والعباس ..وعمر بن علي ، وعثمان بن علي ، وأبو بكر شك في قتله ، وأربعة من بني الحسن : أبو بكر ، وعبد الله والقاسم ، وقيل : بشر ، وقيل : عمر وكان صغيرا ، وستة من بني الحسين مع اختلاف فيه : علي الأكبر ، وإبراهيم ، وعبد الله ، ومحمد ، وحمزة ، وعلي ، وجعفر ، وعمر وزيد ، وذبح عبد الله في حجره ، ولم يذكر صاحب المناقب إلا عليا وعبد الله وأسقط ابن أبي طالب حمزة وإبراهيم وزيدا وعمر .

Bihar al-Anwar - al-Majlisi - 45/62,63.
Ibn Shahr-Ashoub and Saheb al-Manaqib and Muhammad bin abi Talib said: They differed in the number of those from ahlul-bayt who died PBUT, the majority stated twenty seven (...) from the children of Ali PBUH are seven: Hussein, al-Abbas (...) 'Umar bin Ali, Uthman bin Ali, and Abu Bakr they had doubts about him being killed, also four from the children of al-Hassan: Abu bakr, 'Abdullah, al-Qassem and they said Bishr bin al-Hassan, they also said: 'Umar when he was small, Also six from the children of al-Hussein with difference of opinions: Ali al-Akbar, Ibrahim, Abdullah, Muammad, Hamza, Ali, Ja'afar, 'Umar and Zaid. 'Abdullah was slaughtered while on his lap, as for Saheb al-Manaqib he only mentioned Ali and Abdullah and he dropped Hamza and Ibrahim and Zaid and 'Umar.


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Other Shia sources who mention these names:


الإرشاد 167، 248 ، المناقب 4/107، 112، مقاتل الطالبيين 91، أمالي الصدوق 131، إعلام الورى 203، 250، البحار 42/74، 90، 92 ، 45/36، 63 ، 44/313، الاختصاص 82، معجم الخوئي 21/66، 22/ 70 ، الأنوار النعمانية 3/263 ، شرح نهج البلاغة لإبن أبي الحديد، 9/ 242 ، رجال تركوا بصمات على قسمات التاريخ للقزريني، 172 ، 177 ، الفصول المهمة لإن الصباغ، 1/ 645 ، 2/ 488 ، الأنوار العلوية لجعفر النقدي، 434 ، 448 ، أنصار الحسين لمهدي شمس الدين، 136 ، معالم المدرستين للعسكري، 3/ 127 ، مناقب الإمام أمير المؤمنين (ع) للكوفي، 2/ 48 ، تاريح الأئمة للبغدادي، 17 ، شرح الأخبار للقاضي النعمان، 3/ 178 (الحاشية) ، تاج المواليد للطبرسي، 19 ، : المستجاد من الإرشاد للحلي، 139 ، العوالم لعبدالله البحراني، 280 ، لواعج الأشجان لمحسن الأمين، 177 ، مستدرك سفينة البحار، للشاهرودي، 7/ 386 ، ، رجال الطوسي، 106 ، رجال إبن داود، 215 ، نقد الرجال للتفرشي، 5/ 127 ، جامع الرواة، 2/ 370 ، طرائف المقال للبروجردي، 2/ 73 ، مستدركات علم الرجال للشاهرودي، 8/ 343 ، المفيد من معجم رجال الحديث للجواهري، 365 ، 686 ، قاموس الرجال للتستري، 11/ 236 ، تاريخ اليعقوبي، 2/ 213 ، إعيان الشيعة لمحسن الأمين، 1/ 327 ، 608 ، 2/ 302 ، الدر النظيم للعاملي، 430 ، كشف الغمة، 2/ 67 ، موسوعة شهداء المعصومين،1/ 267 ، 2/ 252، 271 ، أبصار العين في أنصار الحسين للسماوي، 70 ، شرح إحقاق الخق، 32/ 675، 681، 682، 684 ، 33/ 676 ، مجلة تراثنا، 2/ 149 الإرشاد 167، المناقب 4/112، مقاتل الطالبيين 89، معاني الأخبار 356، الكافي 1/286، 309، 411، 442، إعلام الورى 203، البحار 1/172 15/23 16/291 19/75 24/213 25/214، 253 26/262 27/297، 305 36/388 37/102 38/332 ، 42/74، 75، 89، 90، 91، 92، 93 43/159 45/38، 62 46/181 ، 48/16 60/200 61/158، إثبات الهداة 3/156، علل الشرايع 183، البصائر 50، 286، أمالي الطوسي 54، 426، 439، 467، 475، 507، 556، الاختصاص 128، كمال الدين 328، نور الثقلين 1/65، 76، الإمامة والتبصرة 171، غيبة الطوسي 187، غيبة النعماني 102، معجم الخوئي 13/45 ، 21/ 70 ، معالم المدرستين للعسكري، 3/ 127 ، مستدرك الوسائل، 5/ 70 ، الإحتجاج للطبرسي، 2/ 277 (الحاشية) ، عمدة الطالب، 72 (الحاشية)، 184، 361 ، سر السلسلة العلوية، 7 ، 52 (الحاشية) ، 95 ، الدرجات الرفيعة في طبقات الشيعة، 484 ، الفوائد الرجالية لبحر العلوم، 1/ 430 (الحاشية)، 3/ 99 (الحاشية) ، مستدركات علم الرجال، 6/ 101 ، 112 ، الفائق في رواة وأصحاب الإمام الصادق للشيستري، 1/ 122 ، 2/ 307 ، 414 ، 535 ، 3/ 133 ، 154، 435 ، تهذيب المقال للأبطحي، 2/ 157 ، الذريعة لآقا بزرك الطهراني، 6/ 191 ، ، 19/ 53 ، 20/ 2 ، المجدي في أنساب الطالبيين لعلي العلوي، 7 ، 11 ، 31 ، 47 ، 58 ، 102 ، 140 ، 161 ، 170 ، 245 ، 251 ، تاريح الكوفة للبراقي، 96 ، 478 ، إعيان الشيعة، 2/ 453 ، 473 ، 3/ 58 ، 4/ 178 ، 5/ 236 ، 6/ 163 ، 237 ، 7/ 34 ، 8/ 310 ، 380 ، الأنوار العلوية للنقدي، 444 ، موسوعة المصطفي والعترة للشاكري، 8/ 84 ، موسوعة شهداء المعصومين، 1/ 269 ، أبصار العين، 90 ، شرح إحقاق الحق، 3/ 466 (الحاشية) ، 3/ 467 (الحاشية) ، مجلة تراثنا، 85/ 137 الإرشاد 167، المناقب 2/109 4/112، مقاتل الطالبيين 89، إعلام الورى 203، 243، 250، البحار 42/74، 89، 91 43/291 ، 44/313، 391 45/37، 63، 67، الأنوار النعمانية 3/263، وانظر أيضاً: أمالي الصدوق 131، معجم الخوئي 11/116 ، إعيان الشيعة، 1/ 326 ، مناقب الإمام للكوفي، 2/ 49 ، الإختصاص، 82 ، تاج المواليد، 19 ، المستجاد للحلي، 139 ، العوالم للبحراني، 280 ، أنصار الحسين لشمس الدين، 130 ، معالم المدرستين، 3/ 128 ، المجدي في أنساب الطالبيين، 15 ، كتاب الفتوح للكوفي، 5/ 113 ، كشف الغمة، 2/ 67 ، العدد القوية للحلي، 242 ، الفصول المهمة لإبن الصباغ، 1/ 643 ، ، موسوعة الإمام علي للريشهري، 1/ 116 ، موسوعة شهداء المعصومين، 1/ 268 ، 2/ 177 ، 253 ، شرح إحقاق الحق، 32/ 674 ، 676 ، 681 ، مجلة تراثنا، 2/ 150


Children of Caliph al-Hassan bin `Ali ibn abi Talib (ra) from the Shia sources:


المستجاد من الإرشاد (المجموعة) - العلامة الحلي - ص 138 - 152
باب ذكر ولد الحسن بن علي عليهما السلام وعددهم وأسمائهم أولاد الحسن بن علي عليهما السلام ،خمسة عشر ولدا ذكرا وأنثى..منهم عمر واخواه القاسم وعبد الله أمهم أم ولد .

al-Mustajad min al-Irshad (al-Majmou`ah) - al-`Allamah al-Helli - p138-152:
Chapter of mentioning the children of al-Hassan bin `Ali PBUT and their numbers and names:
The children of al-Hassan bin `Ali PBUT are fifteen males and females (...) from them `Umar and his two brothers al-Qassim and `Abdullah, their mother is Umm Walad



عمدة الطالب - ابن عنبة - ص 64 - 71
الفصل الأول في ذكر عقب السبط الشهيد أبى محمد الحسن بن علي بن أبي طالب " ع..منهم أبو بكر وعمر . وقال الموضح النسابة : عبد الله هو أبو بكر . وقال أبو نصر البخاري : أولد الحسن بن علي ثلاثة عشر ذكرا وست بنات . منهم عمر

`Umdat-ul-Talib - ibn `Anabah - p64-71:
First section, in mentioning the progeny of the martyr al-Sabt, abu Muhammad al-Hassan bin `Ali bin abi Talib (as) (...) from them Abu Bakr and `Umar, and the clarifier the scholar of genealogy said: `Abdullah is Abu Bakr. and abu Nasr al-Bukhari said: al-Hassan bin `Ali had thirteen sons and six daughters. from them is `Umar


مستدركات أعيان الشيعة - حسن الأمين - ج 2 - ص 248
استشهد الحسين ، ومعه الكوكبة الطاهرة من شهداء أهل البيت : العباس ، وجعفر ، وعثمان ، ومحمد ، وأبو بكر أولاد علي بن أبي طالب ، وأبو بكر ، وعبد الله ، والقاسم أولاد الحسن.

Mustadrakat A`iyan al-Shia - Hassan al-Ameen - 2/248:
al-Hussein was martyred and with him a purified group of martyrs of Ahlul-Bayt: al-`Abbas, Ja`far, `Uthman, Muhammad and Abu Bakr the sons of `Ali bin abi Talib. Abu Bakr and `Abdullah and al-Qassim the sons of al-Hassan.


أعيان الشيعة - السيد محسن الأمين - ج 1 - ص 610
من أنصار الحسين ع الذين قتلوا معه من بني هاشم أولاد أمير المؤمنين ع 1 أبو بكر بن علي. 2 عمر بن علي. 10 عثمان بن علي. أولاد الحسن ع. 12 أبو بكر بن الحسن.

A`iyan al-Shia - Sayyed Muhsin al-Ameen - 1/610:
From the supporters of Hussein (as) who died with him from bani Hashim are the sons of Ameer al-Mu'mineen (as) 1- Abu Bakr bin `Ali 2- `Umar bin `Ali (...) 10- `Uthman bin `Ali. The children of al-Hassan (as) (...) 12- Abu Bakr bin al-Hassan


موسوعة شهادة المعصومين (ع) - لجنة الحديث في معهد باقر العلوم (ع) – 1/268 - 275
أولاد أمير المؤمنين سبعة وعشرون ولدا ذكرا وأنثى : منهم..عمر، عثمان، محمد الأصغر المكنى بأبى بكر.
[ 443 ] - 35 - قال ابن الطقطقي : أعقب ( عليه السلام ) من خمسة أولاد : الحسن والحسين ( عليهما السلام ) ومحمد بن الحنفية والعباس و عمر الأطرف.

Mawsu`at Shahadat al-Ma`soomeen (as) - Committee of Hadith in Baqir al-`Uloom institute - 1/268:
The sons of Ameer al-Mu'mineen are twenty seven males and females: from them (...) `Umar, `Uthman, Muhammad al-Asghar who has the Kuniya of Abu Bakr.
[443]-35- ibn al-Taqtaqi said: He (as) had progeny through five children: al-Hassan and al-Hussein (as) and Muhammad bin al-Hanafiyyah and al-`Abbas and `Umar al-Atraf


تاريخ أهل البيت (ع) - رواية كبار المحدثين والمؤرخين - ص 93 - 138
ولد للحسن بن علي بن عليهما السلام : ...عمر . ولد علي بن الحسين عليه السلام :...عمر . ولد الحسن بن علي العسكري عليه السلام: عائشة .

Tareekh Ahlul-Bayt (as) - Narrations of the biggest scholars of Hadith and Historians - p93-138:
al-Hassan bin `Ali's (as) children: (...) `Umar. (...) al-Hassan bin `Ali al-`Askari (as) had: `Aisha


أبصار العين في أنصار الحسين (ع) - الشيخ محمد السماوي - ص 223 - 229
قتل في الطف مع الحسين ( عليه السلام ) خمسة إخوة من بني هاشم وهم : العباس ،وعثمان ، وجعفر ، وأبو بكر ، وعبد الله أولاد علي ( عليه السلام ) ، فيكون الحسين ( عليه السلام ) سادسهم ، ( وثلاثة إخوة ) : وهم : أبو بكر ، والقاسم ، وعبد الله ، أولاد الحسن ( عليه السلام )

Absar al-`Ayn fi Ansar al-Hussein (as) - Sheikh Muhammad al-Samawi - p223-229:
Died in al-Tuff with al-Hussein (as) were five brothers from bani Hashim: al-`Abbas, `Uthman, Ja`far, Abu Bakr and `Abdullah the sons of `Ali (as), so Hussein (as) would be the sixth one. (...) and three brothers: Abu Bakr, al-Qassem, `Abdullah the sons of al-Hassan (as)


شرح الأخبار - القاضي النعمان المغربي، 3/187 (الحاشية)
ذكر ابن الأثير في الكامل 4 / 75 : إن عبد الله بن الغنوي رمى أبا بكر بن الحسين بن علي . وقال الخوارزمي في مقتله 2 / 47 : إنه أبو بكر بن الحسن ... ويظهر من جميع ما ذكرنا ، أن ثلاثة كناهم : أبو بكر استشهدوا في كربلاء ، وهم : 1 - أبو بكر بن علي . 2 - أبو بكر بن الحسن . 3 - أبو بكر بن الحسين .

Sharh al-Akhbar - al-Qadi al-Nu`man al-Maghribi - (footnotes) 3/187:
Ibn al-Atheer mentioned in al-Kamil 4/75: `Abdullah bin al-Ghanawi threw an arrow at Abu Bakr bin al-Hussein bin `Ali, al-Khawarizmi said in his Maqtal 2/47: It is Abu Bakr bin al-Hassan (...) it appears from all that was previously mentioned that three whose Kuniyah was Abu Bakr martyred in Karbala: they are 1- Abu Bakr bin `Ali 2- Abu Bakr bin al-Hassan 3- Abu Bakr bin al-Hussein


تاج المواليد (المجموعة) - الشيخ الطبرسي - ص 32
قتل معه صلوات الله عليه من أهل بيته وعشيرته ثماني عشر نفسا ، فمن أولاد أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام العباس ع وعبد الله ، وجعفر ، وعثمان ، وعبيد الله ، وأبو بكر ومن أولاد الحسين عليه السلام : على ، وعبد الله ومن بنى الحسن عليه السلام القاسم ، وأبو بكر ، وعبد الله

Taj al-Mawaleed (al-Majmou`ah) - Sheikh Tabrasi - p32:
With him peace be upon him from his household and clan died eighteen people, from the children of Ameer al-Mu'mineen (as) was: al-`Abbas and `Abdullah and Ja`far and `Uthman and `Ubeidallah and Abu Bakr, and from the sons of Hussein (as): `Ali and `Abdullah, and from the sons of al-Hassan (as): al-Qassim, Abu Bakr, `Abdullah


التنبيه والإشراف - المسعودي - ص 263
دفن - أي الحسين- بكربلاء من ارض العراق وله سبع وخمسون سنة ، وقتل معه من ولد أبيه ستة وهم العباس وجعفر وعثمان ومحمد الأصغر وعبد الله وأبو بكر ومن ولده ثلاثة على الأكبر وعبد الله صبي وأبو بكر بنو الحسين بن علي

al-Tanbeeh wal-Ishraf - al-Mas`oudi - p263:
al-Hussein was buried in Karbala from the land of `Iraq, he has fifty seven years of age, with him were killed from the children of his father six, they are: `Abbas, Ja`far, `Uthman, Muhammad al-Asghar, `Abdullah, Abu Bakr, and from his own children three: `Ali al-Akbar and `Abdullah the boy, and Abu Bakr the children of al-Hussein bin `Ali


الفصول المهمة في معرفة الأئمة - ابن الصباغ - ج 2 - ص 742 - 745
في ذكر أولاده - أي الحسن - ( عليه السلام ) قال ابن الخشاب : ولد له أحد عشر ولدا وبنتا واحدة ...منهم عمر

al-Fusoul al-Muhimmah fi ma`rifat al-A'immah - ibn al-Sabbagh - 2/742-745:
mentioning the children of al-Hassan (as), ibn al-Khasshab said: He had eleven sons and one daughter: (...) from them `Umar


الفصول المهمة في معرفة الأئمة - ابن الصباغ - ج 2 - ص 842 - 852
ذكر من قتل من أصحاب الحسين ( عليه السلام ) ومن أهل بيته ومواليه... وقتل أبو بكر بن علي وأمه ليلى بنت مسعود الدارمية . وقتل أبو بكر بن الحسن ، وأمه أم ولد ، قتله حرملة بن الكاهل رماه بسهم .

al-Fusoul al-Muhimmah fi ma`rifat al-A'immah - ibn al-Sabbagh - 2/842-852:
Mentioning those who were killed from the companions of al-Hussein (as) and his Ahlul-Bayt and servants (...) and Abu Bakr bin `Ali was killed, his mother was Layla bin Mas`oud al-Daramiyyah. and Abu Bakr bin al-Hassan and his mother was Umm Walad, he was killed by harmalah bin al-Kahel who shot an arrow at him

Other sources:


مقاتل الطالبيين 92، المناقب 4/112، إعلام الورى 212، 243، البحار 44/163، 168، 169 45/36، 63، 67، معجم الخوئي 21/66، الإرشاد 240، الأنوار النعمانية 3/263 ، لواعج الأشجان، لمحسن الأمين، 176 ، أنصار الحسين، 131 ، أعيان الشيعة، 1/ 610 ، 2/ 293 ، الفصول المهمة، 2/ 845 ، شرح إحقاق الحق، 33/ 687 ، مجلة تراثنا، 2/ 150 ، معالم المدرستين، 3/ 144 ، مستدركات علم رجال الحديث، 8/ 343 ، المفيد من معجم رجال الحديث، 686 ، قاموس الرجال، 11/ 232 ، 666 ، أبصار العين، 71
المناقب 4/112، البحار 30/ 388 ، 44/168 45/63، معجم الخوئي 13/25، إعلام الورى 212، دلائل الإمامة 63 ، أنصار الحسين، 64 ، 137 ، تقريب المعارف للحلبي، 252 ، شرح إحقاق الحق، 28/ 436 ، تشييد المراحعات للميلاني، 1/ 247 ، مجلة تراثنا، 34/ 29 ، نفحات الأزهار، 20/ 128 ، الفصول المهمة، 2/ 1289

[Abdullah Efendi]

Salam Aleykum,

Remember when we "Wiped the floor" with the admin of the Forum called "TrueShiaChat" in a debate about Taqqiyah? his username is Wasil/Zurara and I talked abut him in post #366 here:
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?57727-Various-scandalous-and-corrupt-beliefs-of-Twelver-Shias&p=504080&highlight=wasil#post504080

Well it turns out the Shia on his forum were discussing Taqqiyah and how it is permissible to LIE to sunnies in order to win them over and soften their hearts (to convert them), read the discussion between the Admin "Wasil" and an Honest Shia called "SwissShia" here:

First of all the Honest Shia openly states that it is permissible in Shiism to LIE to Sunnies
A (http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/hanysal/D-2.jpg)

The Admin "Wasil/Zurara" as usual uses Taqqiyah in order to claim that Sunnies also say Lying is permissible and look at this lame example he presents
B (http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/hanysal/E-2.jpg)

Then the honest Shia replies to the Admin
C (http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/hanysal/F-2.jpg)

Then the honest Shia brings up the debate I had with this deviant Admin regarding taqqiyah
D (http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/hanysal/A-8.jpg)

Check out the arrogant and unconvincing reply
E (http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/hanysal/W.jpg)
F (http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/hanysal/B-6.jpg)

Sad ending
G (http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq218/hanysal/C-2.jpg)

What a sad bunch I mean I rarely visit any of their forums but if this is how they spend their time then I feel pity...............

Jazak Allah khayran brother. Good catch.

This idiot completely mix two things.

He say: Sunnis are are not saying to Christians that Paul was liar.

So this is taqiyya in his view. I say that's not taqiyyah, but an order from Allah, that we shouldn't abuse gods of mushriks.

And there is a great difference between sunnis who are not saying to nasarah that paul was a liar, and rafidah which are writing (may Allah be pleased with them) after names of companions, just to win our hearts.

If sunnis would say: May Allah be pleased with st. Paul. That would be correct comparison with shia saying May Allah be pleased with such and such sahabe.

[TripolySunni]

Jazak Allah khayran brother. Good catch.

This idiot completely mix two things.

He say: Sunnis are are not saying to Christians that Paul was liar.

So this is taqiyya in his view. I say that's not taqiyyah, but an order from Allah, that we shouldn't abuse gods of mushriks.

And there is a great difference between sunnis who are not saying to nasarah that paul was a liar, and rafidah which are writing (may Allah be pleased with them) after names of companions, just to win our hearts.

If sunnis would say: May Allah be pleased with st. Paul. That would be correct comparison with shia saying May Allah be pleased with such and such sahabe.


Salam Aleykum,

Actually he's lying to that other Shia layman by telling him "This is not taqqiyah this is Mudarat", if he ever opened a book he would know that the Shia have different types of taqqiyah and that one of them is called "Taqqiyah Mudaratiyyah", if you remember I talked about it in my article about taqiyyah.
Hope you like the article above bro,

Goodnight.

[شعيب‎ محمد]

:salam:

How you got this much of knowledge against shia.
:mash:
:jazak:
Brother are you scholar?

[TripolySunni]

:salam:

How you got this much of knowledge against shia.
:mash:
:jazak:
Brother are you scholar?

Salam Aleykum,

Nope just an Arab layman, 23 years old... I just know Arabic so I get access to all their books and all our books online.

[TripolySunni]

Salam Aleykum,

Here Ali (ra) is talking about the two deviant groups, The Shia who love him severely and raise him above his level by claiming that the Imams are better than the Prophets and the Imams are infallible and the Imams know the future, The other group are the Nawasib who have hatred for the family of the Prophet PBUH such as al-Hajjaj bin yusuf al-Thaqafi.


فيك مثل من عيسى أبغضته اليهود حتى بهتوا أمه وأحبته النصارى حتى أنزلوه بالمنزلة التي ليست به ثم قال : يهلك في رجلان محب مفرط يقرظني بما ليس في ومبغض يحمله شنآني على أن يبهتني
الراوي: علي بن أبي طالب المحدث: أحمد شاكر - المصدر: مسند أحمد - الصفحة أو الرقم: 2/355
خلاصة حكم المحدث: إسناده حسن

The Prophet PBUH told Ali(ra): "You have an example from Isa (PBUH), the Jews hated him so they wronged his mother and the Christians loved him so they raised him above his status", Ali then said: "Two individuals will be tortured (In Hell) because of me, one who loves me extremely who attributes things to me which do not rightfully belong to me, and a hater who hates me."

Narrator: Ali ibn abi Talib.
Source: Musnad Ahmad 2/355.
Grading: Ahmad Shakir said "Hadith has a good chain of narrators."



قال علي يهلك في رجلان مفرط في حبي و مفرط في بغضي
الراوي: أبو حبرة شيحة بن عبدالله الضبعي المحدث: الألباني - المصدر: تخريج كتاب السنة - الصفحة أو الرقم: 984
خلاصة حكم المحدث: إسناده حسن


Ali (ra) said: "Two individuals will be tortured because of me, one who loves me severely and one who hates me severely."

Narrator: Abu Habrah Sheehah bin Abdullah al-Dabi'ee.
Source: Takhreej Kitab al-Sunnah #984.
Grading: al-Albani said "Hadith has a good chain of narrators."

more on the Shia...
al-Darqutni narrated from Fudail bin Marzuq from Abi al-Hujaf bin abi ‘Awf from Muhammad bin Umar bin al-Hussein from Zeinab bint Ali from Fatima bint al-Rassul PBUH that the Prophet PBUH told Ali: “O Abu al-Hassan, you and your followers are in Paradise and some folks will claim your love and they will ridicule Islam and Reject it, they will be called al-Rafidha so if you witness them then fight them for they are Moushrikun.”
This was also narrated from Abu al-Hujaf from Abu Ja’afar al-Baqir from Fatima al-Sughra from Fatima al-Kubra from the Prophet PBUH, then al-Darqutni said: “and we have plenty of chains for this hadith in Musnad Fatima (ra).” Then he narrates it from Umm-Salamah (ra) but with an addition of: “They witness no Jumu’ah or Jama’ah and will attack the pious predecessors.” Which was the exact description of the Twelver Shia. Al-Tabarani and Abu-Na’eem in “al-Hilya” and al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi in his Tareekh and Ibn al-Jawzi who was trustworthy but from the ghulat of Shiism, the two Sheikhs have narrated from him, Also ibn abi al-Assim narrated it in “al-Sunnah” and Ibn Shaheen and Ibn Bashran, and al-Hakim in “al-Kuna” and Khaythamah bin Suleiman al-Tarabulsi in Fadael al-Sahaba and al-Lalikani in al-Sunnah all of them narrated from Ali ibn abi Talib (ra) that the Prophet PBUH told him: “You and those who follow you are in Jannah, and there will come a people who shall be called al-Rafidha so if you meet them then kill them for they are polytheists.” The narration of Ibn Abi 'Assim and Ibn Shaheen had an addition of: “Ali asks: What is their sign O Messenger of Allah?” He replied: “They will raise you above your level in praise and will attack my companions and insult them.” In the narration of Ibn bashran and al-Hakim: “They will claim your love, they read the Quran but do not understand it(as it should be).” In the narration of Khaythamah and al-Lalikani they narrate that Ali (ra) said: “After us will come a people who shall claim our love, they will be known as the rejecters, they will claim to be our followers but they are not, their sign is that they will insult Abu bakr and Umar.”
Ahmad and al-tabarani and Abu Ya’ala all narrate a Marfu’u narration that ibn Abbas (ra) said: “In the end of times there shall appear a group called the rejecters(Rafidhah) they shall reject Islam so if you meet them then fight them they are polytheists.”, al-tabarani narrates in a Good chain: Ibn Abbas said: I was at the Prophet’s PBUH home and Ali was there, the Prophet PBUH told him: “There shall be in my nation a folks who will claim the love of Ahlul-Bayt, they shall be called the Rejecters so kill them they are polytheists.”
Also in Musnad Ahmad with a good chain from Ali ibn abi talib (ra): The Prophet PBUH said: You have the example of Jesus, the jews hated him so they wronged his mother and the Christians loved him so they raised him above his level, Then Ali said: Two individuals will be tortured because of me, one who loves me too much and attributes to me things which are not mine and one who hates me so much.
Ahmad shakir said the chain of narrators is good and al-Albani agreed with him.

Salam Aleykum,

[TripolySunni]

The Prophet's PBUH uncle Abu Talib (ra), Muslim or Not? according to the Authentic Sunnah:


أنه أتى النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال : إن أبا طالب مات فقال له النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم : اذهب فواره فقال : إنه مات مشركا فقال : اذهب فواره قال : فلما واريته رجعت إلى النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال لي : اغتسل

Ali ibn abi Talib (ra) narrated that he came to the Prophet PBUH and said: "Abu Talib has died" so the Prophet PBUH said: "Go and bury him" Then Ali said: "He died as a Moushrik(Polytheist)", the Prophet PBUH said: "Go and bury him", Then after he had buried him he came back the Prophet PBUH who told him: "Go take a bath."

source: Ahmad Shakir said Sahih in Musnad Ahmad 2/112.


لما توفي أبو طالب ، أتيت النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقلت : إن عمك الشيخ الضال قد مات فمن يواريه ، قال : اذهب فواره ، ثم لا تحدث شيئا حتى تأتيني ، فقال : إنه مات مشركا ، فقال : اذهب فواره قال : فواريته ثم أتيته ، قال : اذهب فاغتسل ثم لا تحدث شيئا حتى تأتيني ، قال : فاغتسلت ، ثم أتيته ، قال : فدعا لي بدعوات ما يسرني أن لي بها حمر النعم وسودها . قال : وكان علي إذا غسل الميت اغتسل .

Ali ibn abi Talib (ra) narrates: I came to the Prophet PBUH and said: "Your old uncle who was astray has died so who will bury him?" He PBUH said: "Go and bury your father, and then do not do anything until you come to me." Ali replied: "But he died as a Moushrik(Polytheist)" He PBUH said: "Go and bury him", Ali said: "So I buried him and I came back." then the Prophet PBUH said: "Go and make Ghusl(Wash up) and then do not do anything until you come to me." Ali said: "I took a bath then came back to him. Then he made a Dua(Supplication) for me and nothing could have made me more happier." and Ali used to take a bath whenever he washed the dead.

source: al-Albani said Sahih in "Ahkam al-Janaez" #169 and "al-Silsilah al-Sahiha" #161.

It is reported by Sa'id b. Musayyib who narrated it on the authority of his father (Musayyib b. Hazm) that when abu talib was about to die, the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to him and found with him abu Jahl ('Amr b. Hisham) and 'Abdullah b. Abi umayya ibn al-Mughirah. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: My uncle, you just make a profession that there is no god but Allah, and I will bear testimony before Allah (of your being a believer), abu Jahl and 'Abdullah b. Abi umayya addressing him said: abu talib, would you abandon the religion of 'Abdul-Muttalib? The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) constantly requested him (to accept his offer), and (on the other hand) was repeated the same statement (of abu Jahl and 'Abdullah b. Abi umayya) till abu talib gave his final decision and stuck to the religion of 'Abdul-Muttalib and refused to profess that there is no god but Allah. Upon this the Messenger of Allah remarked: By Allah, I will persistently beg pardon for you till I am forbidden to do so (by God), It was then that Allah, the Magnificent and the Glorious, revealed this verse: " It is not meet for the Prophet and for those who believe that they should beg pardon for the polytheists, even though they were their kith and kin, after it had been made known to them that they were the denizens of Hell" (ix. 113) And it was said to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him): " Verily thou canst not guide to the right path whom thou lovest. And it is Allah Who guideth whom He will, and He knoweth best who are the guided" (xxviii, 56). (Sahih Muslim - Book #001, Hadith #0036) ( Sahih al-Bukhari - Book #58, Hadith #223)

Narrated Al-abbas bin 'Abdul Muttalib: That he said to the Prophet "You have not been of any avail to your uncle (Abu Talib) (though) by Allah, he used to protect you and used to become angry on your behalf." The Prophet said, "He is in a shallow fire, and had It not been for me, he would have been in the bottom of the (Hell) Fire." (Sahih al-Bukhari - Book #58, Hadith #222)

Abu Sa'id al-khudri reported: A mention was made of his uncle abu talib before the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) He said: My intercession may benefit him on the Day of Resurrection and he may be placed in the shallow part of the Fire which would reach his ankles and his brain would be boiling. (Sahih Muslim - Book #001, Hadith #0411)

For more check the book of al-Hafiz ibn Hajar "Al-Isabah fi Tamyeez al-Sahaba".

[TripolySunni]

Salam Aleykum,

I was reading some of the sources for This Shia " Hadith al-Qudsi ":


[ يا أحمد لولاك لما خلقت الأفلاك
ولولا علي لما خلقتك
ولولا فاطمة لما خلقتكما ]
الجنة العاصمة ص 148
ملتقى البحرين ص 14
مستدرك سفينة البحار جـ 3 ص 334
عوالم العوالم ص 26 عن ( مجمع النورين )
من فقه الزهراء جـ 1 ص 19
الأسرار الفاطمية ص 232 , 238
فاطمة سر الوجود ص 61,62

Translation of Shia Hadith Qudsi:
Allah said to the Prophet PBUH: "O Ahmad if it weren't for you I wouldn't have created the universe, and if it weren't for Ali I wouldn't have created you, and if it weren't for Fatima I wouldn't have created you both."

shia sources:
- al-Jannah al-'Asimah p148.
- Multaqa al-Bahrayn p14.
- Mustadrak Safeenat al-Bihar 3/334.
- 'Awalim al-'Awalim wal Ma'arif p26 from Majma'a al-Noorayn.
- Min Fiqh al-Zahraa 1/19.
- al-Asrar al-Fatimiyyah p232,238.
- Fatima Sirr al-Woujoud p61,62.

What caught my attention is the title of the last book "Fatima Sirr al-Wujoud" which translates to "Fatima is the secret of existence"!? Who the Hell would write such a deviant title!!?

Apparently after asking one of my friends about this book, he told me it was written by this Shia here:
http://www.viafy.com/uploads/fda6b3e0c4.jpg

His name is Ayatullah Sayyed 'Adil al-Alawi. what a crazy man honestly who'd pick such a ridiculous un-Islamic title for his book!?

well I found his book here:
http://www.alawy.net/ar/101/1010701/101070102/html/indexs.html

And let me just translate some parts of the index so you can see how retarded this is:


نبذة من الأحاديث الشريفة في فضائلها (عليها السلام)
اسمها في العرش
حبّها الإكسير الأعظم
نجاة محبّيها من النار بيدها المباركة
حديث «لولاك»

- Her name is written on the Throne of Allah.
- Her love is the greatest Elixir.
- Her lovers will be saved from hell-fire by her blessed hand.
- The Hadith of "If it weren't for Fatima I wouldn't have created you both."

I took a quick browse and found some pretty interesting Shia beliefs therein, for example:


عن الرضا (عليه السلام)، قال النبيّ (صلى الله عليه وآله):
«لمّا عرج بي إلى السماء أخذ بيدي جبرئيل (عليه السلام)، فأدخلني الجنّة، فناولني من رطبها، فأكلته، فتحوّل ذلك نطفة في صلبي، فلمّا هبطت إلى الأرض واقعت خديجة فحملت بفاطمة (عليها السلام)، ففاطمة حوراء إنسيّة، فكلّما اشتقت إلى رائحة الجنّة شممت رائحة ابنتي فاطمة»

Narrated from imam al-Rida (as): The prophet PBUH said: When Allah raised me to the sky, Gabriel took me by the hand and we entered paradise and gave me some dates from its trees so I ate it, it transformed into a drop inside my body and when I came down to the earth I had intercourse with Khadeejah and she became pregnant with Fatima, thus Fatima is a Human Hoori from Jannah and whenever I miss the smell of Jannah I go to smell my daughter fatima.
sources:
- Fatima sirr al-Woujoud p83.
- 'Awalim al-Awalim wal Ma'arif 6/10.


عن أبي جعفر (عليه السلام) في حديث طويل:
«ولقد كانت (عليها السلام) مفروضة الطاعة على جميع من خلق الله من الجنّ والإنس والطير والوحش والأنبياء والملائكة»

Narrated Abu Ja'afar (as) in a long narration:
"And her(Fatima's) Obedience is obligatory on all creations of Allah from Jinn and Humans and Birds and Beasts and Prophets and Angels."

sources:
- Fatima Sirr al-Wujoud p84.
- Dalael al-Imamah p228.

Actually just check out how this lunatic starts his book on page 5:


الصلاة والسلام على أشرف خلق الله محمّد وآله الطاهرين، واللعن الدائم على أعدائهم ومنكري فضائلهم أجمعين من الآن إلى قيام يوم الدين.
بعد أن توفّقنا للحديث عن عصمة زينب الكبرى حبانا الله سبحانه بلطف آخر حيث يسّر لنا الحديث عن الصدّيقة الكبرى وسيّدة النساء فاطمة الزهراء سلام الله عليها

"Peace be on the most honourable of Allah's creations Muhammad and his pure family, and the constant curses upon their enemies and the deniers of their virtues from now until the day of Judgement."

comment: I say dear crazy Shia scholar what do you mean by "Constant curses on the deniers of their virtues"??? Don't tell me that you're going to constantly curse me if I don't believe that Fatima is half-Humand and Half-Houri from Paradise? and you're going to curse me if I don't believe that he name is written on the foot of the throne of Allah? and that you'll curse me If I don't believe that Allah created everything in existence just for her sake? If that's the case you might as well curse all the Muslims in the world constantly until the day of Judgement because no Muslim in his right mind would believe these Shia myths.

He continues saying right after that:
"After we stopped talking about the infallibility of Zeinab al-Kubra..."

WHAT!? I though you Shias believed in 14 infallibles!? We always read on your websites 14 Ma'asooms this and 14 Ma'asooms that... Now they're 15 Ma'asooms! congratulations!

I'll stop here, may Allah guide them Twelver Shias...

[mohammadfarhan]

salam akhi tripolysunni;

i got some hadiths on abu bakr[ra] & umar[ra] from aal-e-muhammad [peace be upon them all] , can u plz translate it, & tell is its authenticity correct: http://alsrdaab.com/vb/showpost.php?p=49529&postcount=1

فهذه مقتطفات من كتاب ( فضائل الصحابة ومناقبهم وقول بعضهم في بعض ) للدارقطني .
وقد اقتصرت على نص الحديث وعلى الأحاديث الصحيحة أو الحسنة من خلال حكم محقق الكتاب : محمد بن خليفة الرباح ، وذكرت حكم المحقق بعد ذكر الرواية مباشرة .
وهذه الروايات هي من فصل ( ذكر ماروي عن آل أبي طالب وأولاد علي عليهم السلام في أبي بكر وعمر عليهما السلام ) .
فإلى الروايات :

1 - عن جعفر بن محمد عن أبيه أن عبدالله بن جعفر قال : رحم الله أبابكر كان لنا والياً فنعم الوالي كان لنا ، مارأينا حاضنا قط كان خيراً منه ، إنا لجلوس عنده يوماً في البيت إذا جاءه عمر ومعه أصحاب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقاموا في الباب فاستأذن عمر وكان الاستئذان ثلاثاً فاستأذن مرة فلم يؤذن له ثم استأذن الثانية فلم يؤذن له فما كان الثالثة استأذن فقال له أبوبكر : ادخل ، فدخل ومعه أصحاب رسول الله صلى الله عيه وسلم .
فقال عمر : ياخليفة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم حبستنا بالباب استأذنا مرتين فلم تأذن لنا وهذه الثالثة .
فقال : إن بني جعفر كان بين أيديهم طعام يأكلونه فخفت أن تدخلوا فتشركوهم في طعامهم .
قال : ثم أمر أبوبكر بفتل الكلاب ، قال : ولي جرو تحت السرير ، قال : قلت : يا أبه وكلبي أيضاً ، قال : أما كلب ابني فلا .
ثم أشار بيده أن خذوه من تحت السرير ، قال : فلا أدري كيف ذهب به [ حسن لغيره ].

2 – عن جعفر عن أبيه أنه سمع من عبدالله بن جعفر قال : ولينا أبوبكر الصديق ، فما ولينا أحد من الناس مثله . [ صحيح ] .

3 – عن سالم بن أبي حفصة قال : سألت أبا جعفر محمد بن علي وجعفر بن محمد عن أبي بكر وعمر عليهما السلام ، فقالا لي : ياسالم تولهما وابرأ من عدوهما فإنهما كانا إمامي هدى . [ حسن ] .

4 – عن سالم بن أبي حفصة قال : قال لي جعفر بن محمد : ياسالم أيسب الرجل جده ؟ أبوبكر رضي الله عنه جدي ، لانالتني شفاعة محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم يوم القيامة إن لم أكن أتولاهما وأبرأ من عدوهما . [ حسن ] .

5 – عن بسام بن عبدالله الصيرفي قال : سألت أباجعفر قلت : ماتقول في أبي بكر وعمر رضي الله عنهما ، فقال : والله إني لأتولاهما وأستغفر لهما وما أدركنا أحد من أهل بيتي إلا وهو يتولاهما . [ حسن ] .

6 – عن عيسى بن دينار المؤذن مولى عمرو بن الحارث الخزاعي قال : سألت أباجعفر عن أبي بكر وعمر فقال : مسلمين رحمهما الله .
فقلت له : أتولاهما وأستغفر لهما .
فقال : نعم .
قلت : أتأمرني بذلك .
قال : نعم ثلاثاً ، فما أصابك فيهما فعلى عاتقي ، وقال بيده على عاتقيه ،
وقال : كان بالكوفة علي رضي الله عنه خمس سنين فما قال لهما إلا خيراً ولا قال لهما أبي إلا خيراً ولا أقول إلا خيراً . [ صحيح ] .

7 – عن علي بن هشام عن أبيه قال : سمعت زيد بن علي يقول : البراءة من أبي بكر وعمر ، البراءة من علي رضي الله عنه . [ حسن لغيره ] .

8 – عن فضيل بن مرزوق قال : قال زيد بن علي بن الحسين : أما أنا فلو كنت مكان أبي بكر رضي الله عنه لحكمت بمثل ماحكم به أبوبكر عليه السلام في فدك [ حسن ] .

9 – عن هلال بن خباب عن الحسن بن محمد بن الحنفية أنه قال : يا أهل الكوفة اتقوا الله ولاتقولوا في أبي بكر وعمر ماليسا له بأهل ، إن أباكر الصديق رضي الله عنه كان مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم في الغار ثاني اثنين ، وإن عمر أعز الله به الدين . [ حسن ] .

10 – عن أبي خالد الأحمر قال : سألت عبدالله بن حسن عن أبي بكر وعمر فقال : صلى الله عليهما ولا صلى على من لايصلي عليهما . [ حسن ] .

11 – عن عمار الضبي عن عبيدالله بن الحسن قال : ما أرى رجلاً يسب أبابكر وعمر تثبت له توبةً أبداً . [ حسن ] .

12 – عن عمرو بن قيس الملائي قال : سمعت جعفر بن محمد يقول : برىء الله ممن تبرأ من أبي بكر وعمر . [ حسن ] .

13 – عن مسعدة بن اليسع عن جعفر بن محمد عن أبيه : إن آل أبي بكر كانوا يدعون على عهد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم آل محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم [ حسنٌ لأبي جعفر ] .

14 – عن سالم بن أبي الجعد أنه كان مع محمد بن علي بالشعب قال : فقلت له يوماً : يا أبا عبدالله أكان أبوبكر أول القوم إسلاماً .
قال : لا ، فقلت : فبأي شيء علا وسبق حتى لايذكر أحد غيره .
قال : لأنه كان خيرهم إسلاماً يوم أسلم ثم لم يزل كذلك حتى قبضه الله على ذلك . [ حسن ] .



wasalam

[TripolySunni]

@ Muhammad Farhan, thank you very much I'll take a look at them real soon and translate the ones that have benefit in them Inchallah... (Maybe tonight even).

For now I'll answer another one of the Shia's attacks on the Muslims,


The Story of Prophet Musa PBUH and the Rock from the books of the Shia.


تفسير القمي عن أبي بصير، عن أبي عبد الله (ع) أن بني إسرئيل كانوا يقولون: «ليس لموسى ما للرجال وكان موسى إذا أراد الاغتسال ذهب إلى موضع لا يراه فيه أحد من الناس فكان يوماً يغتسل على شط نهر وقد وضع ثيابه على صخرة فأمر الله الصخرة فتباعدت عنه حتى نظر بنو إسرائيل إليه فعلموا أنه ليس كما قالوا» أنزل الله ﴿يَـأَيُّـهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَكُونُواْ كَالَّذِينَ ءَاذَوْا مُوسَى فَبَرَّأَهُ اللهُ مِمَّا قَالُواْ وَكَانَ عِندَاللهِ وَجِيهًا﴾ [الأحزاب/69]

In the famous Shia book Tafseer al-Qummi from Abu Baseer from Imam Abu Abdullah (as) that Bani Israel used to say: "Musa does not have what men have", When Musa wanted to bathe he would go to a secluded location where no one can see him, one day he was bathing in a river and he placed his clothes on a rock so Allah ordered the rock to move and it did, Then Bani Israel saw his body and they knew that he was not like they had claimed. Allah revealed: "O you who have believed, be not like those who abused Moses; then Allah cleared him of what they said. And he, in the sight of Allah, was distinguished." (33:69)

The Shia narrated this from their Imams in these sources:

القمي 2/179، والصافي 4/205 - 206، وكنز الدقائق 8/230 - 231، وبيان السعادة 3/257، والجوهر الثمين 5/165، ونور الثقلين 4/308، قصص الأنبياء ص 249 - 250، والبرهان 3/329، والميزان 16/353، والكاشف 6/243، وجوامع الجامع 2/339، ومنهج الصدقين 4/321 للكاشاني.

-Tafseer al-Qummi 2/179 by Ali bin Ibrahim al-Qummi.
-Tafseer al-Safi 4/205,206 by al-Fayd al-Kashani.
-Bayan al-Sa'adah 3/257 by Sultan Ali Shah al-Janabithi.
-al-Jawhar al-Thameen 5/165 by Sayyed Abdullah Shubir al-Husseini al-Khadhimi al-Najafi.
-Noor al-Thaqalayn 4/308 by Abd Ali al-Huwayzi.
-Qasas al-Anbiyaa p249,250 by Ni'imatullah al-Jazaeri.
-al-Burhan 3/329 by Hashim al-Husseini al-Bahrani.
-al-Meezan 16/353 by 'Allamah al-Tabatabaee.
-Jawami'i al-Jami'i 2/339 Abu Ali al-Fadl bin al-Hassan.
-Minhaj al-Sadiqeen 4/321 by al-Kashani.
-Asbab al-Nuzoul fi Daw Riwayat Ahlulbayt(as) p158 by Sayyed Mujib Jawad Ja'afar al-Rifi'ee.
-Mustadrak al-Wasael 1/325 by Noori al-Tubrusi.
and others...

Shia scholar al-Tubrusi said in Majma'a al-Bayan 8/372 after he narrated the Hadith:


«أن موسى كان حيياً ستيراً يغتسل وحده فقال ما يتستر منّا إلا لعيب بجلده أما برص وأما أدرة فذهب مرة يغتسل فوضع ثوبه علىحجر فمر الحجر بثوبه فطلبه موسى فرآه بنو اسرئيل عرياناً كأحسن الرجال خلقا فبرأه الله مما قالوا»

"Musa was Shy and modest and he used to bathe alone so they said about him: He only does so because he has something to be ashamed of like a skin disease or leprosy or a problem in the genitals. So he went to bathe alone and placed his clothes on a rock which moved while carrying his clothes so he followed it and Bani Israel saw him naked like the best of men in figure, so Allah proved his innocence."

Shia scholar Ni'imatullah al-Jazaeri said in his Qasas page 250 while commenting on the narration:

الجزائري في قصصه (ص: 250): «قال جماعة من أهل الحديث لا استبعاد فيه بعد ورود الخبر الصحيح وإن رؤيتهم له على ذلك الوضع لم يتعمده موسى ولم يعلم أن أحدا ينظر إليه أم لا وأن مشيه عرياناً لتحصيل ثيابه مضافاً إلى تبعيده عما نسبوه إليه، ليس من المنفرات».

"A group of scholars of Hadith said that it was possible after seeing the Sahih narration, and that it was not Moses's intention to be looked at in that condition as he did not know that they were looking at him run naked to collect his clothes, in addition that it disproves what they attributed to him."

[TripolySunni]

More Hadiths about Ahlul-bayt and the Rightly guided Caliphs Abu bakr and Umar


فهذه مقتطفات من كتاب ( فضائل الصحابة ومناقبهم وقول بعضهم في بعض ) للدارقطني .
وقد اقتصرت على نص الحديث وعلى الأحاديث الصحيحة أو الحسنة من خلال حكم محقق الكتاب : محمد بن خليفة الرباح ، وذكرت حكم المحقق بعد ذكر الرواية مباشرة .
وهذه الروايات هي من فصل ( ذكر ماروي عن آل أبي طالب وأولاد علي عليهم السلام في أبي بكر وعمر عليهما السلام ) .


The Hadiths are from the book "Fadael al-Sahaba wa Manaqibihim wa Qawl Ba'adihim fi Ba'ad" by the famous scholar of Hadith al-Darqutni, the researcher of this print who graded the narrations is Muhammad ibn Khalifah al-Rabah, the narrations are taken from the chapter "Mentioning what was narrated from the family of Abu Talib and the children of Ali (as) regarding Abu Bakr and Umar (as)".

We picked some of the narrations whose chains are graded as Authentic(Sahih) or Good(Hasan) and avoided the weak ones:


1 - عن جعفر بن محمد عن أبيه أن عبدالله بن جعفر قال : رحم الله أبابكر كان لنا والياً فنعم الوالي كان لنا ، مارأينا حاضنا قط كان خيراً منه ، إنا لجلوس عنده يوماً في البيت إذا جاءه عمر ومعه أصحاب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقاموا في الباب فاستأذن عمر وكان الاستئذان ثلاثاً فاستأذن مرة فلم يؤذن له ثم استأذن الثانية فلم يؤذن له فما كان الثالثة استأذن فقال له أبوبكر : ادخل ، فدخل ومعه أصحاب رسول الله صلى الله عيه وسلم .
فقال عمر : ياخليفة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم حبستنا بالباب استأذنا مرتين فلم تأذن لنا وهذه الثالثة .
فقال : إن بني جعفر كان بين أيديهم طعام يأكلونه فخفت أن تدخلوا فتشركوهم في طعامهم .
قال : ثم أمر أبوبكر بفتل الكلاب ، قال : ولي جرو تحت السرير ، قال : قلت : يا أبه وكلبي أيضاً ، قال : أما كلب ابني فلا .
ثم أشار بيده أن خذوه من تحت السرير ، قال : فلا أدري كيف ذهب به [ حسن لغيره ].

Ja'afar bin Muhammad from his Father from Abdullah ibn Ja'afar that he said: "May Allah have mercy on Abu bakr he ruled over us and he was the best of rulers, we never met one better than him..."
Grading: Hasan li-Ghayrihi.


2 – عن جعفر عن أبيه أنه سمع من عبدالله بن جعفر قال : ولينا أبوبكر الصديق ، فما ولينا أحد من الناس مثله . [ صحيح ] .

Ja'afar from his father that he heard from Abdullah bin Ja'afar that he said: Abu Bakr al-Siddiq became our ruler and no one ruled us like he did.
Grading: Sahih.


3 – عن سالم بن أبي حفصة قال : سألت أبا جعفر محمد بن علي وجعفر بن محمد عن أبي بكر وعمر عليهما السلام ، فقالا لي : ياسالم تولهما وابرأ من عدوهما فإنهما كانا إمامي هدى . [ حسن ] .

Salim ibn Abi Hafsa that he said: I Asked Abu Ja'afar Muhammad ibn Ali and Ja'afar bin Muhammad about Abu Bakr and 'Umar peace be upon them and they told me: "Ya Salim, be loyal to them and cut your ties from their enemies as they were two Imams of guidance."
Grading: Hasan.


4 – عن سالم بن أبي حفصة قال : قال لي جعفر بن محمد : ياسالم أيسب الرجل جده ؟ أبوبكر رضي الله عنه جدي ، لانالتني شفاعة محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم يوم القيامة إن لم أكن أتولاهما وأبرأ من عدوهما . [ حسن ] .

Salim bin abi Hafsa said: Ja'afar bin Muhammad told me: "Ya Salim would a man insult his grandfather? Abu bakr may Allah be pleased with him is my grand father, may the intercession of Muhammad SAWS never reach me on the day of Judgement if I wasn't loyal to them and didn't disassociate myself from their enemies."
Grading: Hasan.


5 – عن بسام بن عبدالله الصيرفي قال : سألت أباجعفر قلت : ماتقول في أبي بكر وعمر رضي الله عنهما ، فقال : والله إني لأتولاهما وأستغفر لهما وما أدركنا أحد من أهل بيتي إلا وهو يتولاهما . [ حسن ] .

From Bassam bin Abdullah al-Sayrafi: I asked Abu Ja'afar: What do you say about Abu bakr and 'Umar may Allah be pleased with them? He replied: "By Allah I am loyal to them and I ask Allah to forgive them and we never met anyone from my family who was not loyal to them."
Grading: Hasan.



6 – عن عيسى بن دينار المؤذن مولى عمرو بن الحارث الخزاعي قال : سألت أباجعفر عن أبي بكر وعمر فقال : مسلمين رحمهما الله .
فقلت له : أتولاهما وأستغفر لهما .
فقال : نعم .
قلت : أتأمرني بذلك .
قال : نعم ثلاثاً ، فما أصابك فيهما فعلى عاتقي ، وقال بيده على عاتقيه ،
وقال : كان بالكوفة علي رضي الله عنه خمس سنين فما قال لهما إلا خيراً ولا قال لهما أبي إلا خيراً ولا أقول إلا خيراً . [ صحيح ] .

From Isa bin Dinar al-Muatthin the mawla of 'Amro bin al-Harith al-Khuza'ee: I asked Abu Ja'afar about Abu bakr and 'Umar and he answered: "Muslims may Allah have mercy on them."
I told him: Should I be loyal to them and ask Allah to forgive them?
He said: "Yes."
I said: Do you order me to do so?
He said: "Yes, Yes, Yes (three times) and I take responsibility for what I say."
He continued saying: "Ali may Allah be pleased with him was in al-Kufa for five years and he always spoke good of them and so did my father and so do I."
Grading: Sahih.


7 – عن علي بن هشام عن أبيه قال : سمعت زيد بن علي يقول : البراءة من أبي بكر وعمر ، البراءة من علي رضي الله عنه . [ حسن لغيره ] .

From Ali bin Hisham from his father: I heard Zaid bin Ali say: "If one disassociates himself from Abu Bakr and 'Umar then he also disassociates himself from Ali may Allah be pleased with him."
Grading: Hasan li-Ghayrihi.


8 – عن فضيل بن مرزوق قال : قال زيد بن علي بن الحسين : أما أنا فلو كنت مكان أبي بكر رضي الله عنه لحكمت بمثل ماحكم به أبوبكر عليه السلام في فدك [ حسن ] .

From Fudayl bin Marzouq that he said: Zaid bin Ali bin al-Hussein said: As for me, If I were in the place of Abu Bakr may Allah be pleased with him I would have ruled the same as he did regarding the land of Fadak.
Grading: Hasan.


9 – عن هلال بن خباب عن الحسن بن محمد بن الحنفية أنه قال : يا أهل الكوفة اتقوا الله ولاتقولوا في أبي بكر وعمر ماليسا له بأهل ، إن أباكر الصديق رضي الله عنه كان مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم في الغار ثاني اثنين ، وإن عمر أعز الله به الدين . [ حسن ] .


From Hilal bin Khabab from al-Hassan ibn Muhammad bin al-Hanafiyyah that he said: "O people of Kufa fear Allah and do not say bad things about Abu Bakr and 'Umar, Abu bakr was al-Siddiq may Allah be pleased with him and he was the second of the two in the cave with the Prophet PBUH, and as for 'Umar, Allah had strengthened Islam with 'Umar."
Grading: Hasan.


10 – عن أبي خالد الأحمر قال : سألت عبدالله بن حسن عن أبي بكر وعمر فقال : صلى الله عليهما ولا صلى على من لايصلي عليهما . [ حسن ] .

From Abu Khaled al-Ahmar: I asked 'Abdullah bin al-Hassan about Abu bakr and 'Umar so he said: "May the peace of Allah be upon them and no peace on those who don't send peace upon them."
Grading: Hasan.


11 – عن عمار الضبي عن عبيدالله بن الحسن قال : ما أرى رجلاً يسب أبابكر وعمر تثبت له توبةً أبداً . [ حسن ] .

From 'Ammar al-Dhabbhi from 'Ubeidullah bin al-Hassan that he said: I do not see that Allah will accept the repentance of any man who insults Abu Bakr and 'Umar.
Grading: Hasan.


12 – عن عمرو بن قيس الملائي قال : سمعت جعفر بن محمد يقول : برىء الله ممن تبرأ من أبي بكر وعمر . [ حسن ] .

From 'Amro bin Qays al-Mallaee: I heard Ja'afar bin Muhammad say: "Allah has disassociated himself from those who disassociated themselves from Abu Bakr and 'Umar."
Grading: Hasan.


13 – عن مسعدة بن اليسع عن جعفر بن محمد عن أبيه : إن آل أبي بكر كانوا يدعون على عهد رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم آل محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم [ حسنٌ لأبي جعفر ] .

From Mus'adah bin al-Yasi'i from Ja'afar bin Muhammad from his father: "During the time of the Prophet SAWS the Family(Aal) of Abu bakr used to be also called the Family(Aal) of Muhammad SAWS."
Grading: Hasan li-Abu Ja'afar.



14 – عن سالم بن أبي الجعد أنه كان مع محمد بن علي بالشعب قال : فقلت له يوماً : يا أبا عبدالله أكان أبوبكر أول القوم إسلاماً .
قال : لا ، فقلت : فبأي شيء علا وسبق حتى لايذكر أحد غيره .
قال : لأنه كان خيرهم إسلاماً يوم أسلم ثم لم يزل كذلك حتى قبضه الله على ذلك . [ حسن ] .

From Salim bin abu al-Ja'ad that he was with Muhammad bin Ali in al-Shu'ab: I told him one day:O Abu Abdullah was Abu Bakr the first of the people to accept Islam?
Muhammad bin Ali replied: "No he was not."
Then I asked: So how is it that he holds such a high status that everyone keeps speaking of him?
He answered me: "Because he was the best of them in Islam when he accepted it and he remained like that until Allah took his soul."
Grading: Hasan.

[mohammadfarhan]

salam

^^ may allah reward u jannah & increase ur eman further & further..
jazakallah for ur support.

wasalam

[verdana]

Brother TripolySunni,

Is this piece of info true?


Tradition says that Zaynab, already in anguish due to the death of her brother Husayn and her sons Aun and Muhammad, was forced to march unveiled. This was an extreme indignity to inflict on a high-ranking Muslim woman, the granddaughter of Muhammad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaynab_bint_Ali

I was just shivered upon reading it.

[Ansari]

I came across this nice book by Shaykh Sa'id Hawwa called Khumayniyya. The great Sunni scholar and student of the Hanafi scholar Shaykh Muhammad Hamid and one of the leaders of Ikhwan.

In this book he refutes the belief that the so-called Shia Twelvers have a lot in common with the Ahlusunnah. He mentions quotes from Khomeini's book that are clear kufr.

http://www.saaid.net/book/8/1696.doc

He warns about the so-called Shia revolution and that Sunnis should not be deceived by it. He deals with the following topics:

1. Excessiveness in their 12 Imams
2. Qur'an is tampered
3. Their stance of the Sunnah
4. Their stance on the Sahaba
5. Denegrating the status of our Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam)
6. They oppose the consensus
7. Their opinion about Sunnis (those who do not believe in their 12 Imams, will enter hell)
8. Excessiveness in Sayyida Fatima

Interestingly, he also refutes the clear belief of knowing everything when it comes to the topic of ilm al-ghayb and ma kaana wa ma yakun:

كما غلا بعض الشيعة فجعلوا الأئمة يشاركون الله في علم الغيب وفي علم كل شيء ، فقد أورد الكليني في " الكافي " باباً بعنوان : ( إن الأئمة يعلمون ما كان وما يكون وأنه لا يخفى عليهم شيء ) [ ] ، وهذا كله نقيض قوله تعالى : { عالم الغيب فلا يظهر على غيبه أحداً إلا من ارتضى من رسول } ، ونحن لا ننكر أن يطلع الله عباده على شيء من غيبه كرامه له ، ولكننا ننكر أن يكون هذا هو الأصل في حق اي مخلوق

[TripolySunni]

Brother TripolySunni,

Is this piece of info true?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaynab_bint_Ali

I was just shivered upon reading it.

Salam Aleykum,

They say: "Tradition says that Zaynab..."

I ask: Which tradition and which book and which Sanad and who authenticated it?

I also say: LOL at the Shia articles, How do you know that an article is written by a Shia? look at the sources, THERE AREN'T ANY!

The entire Un-Academic (As usual) Shia Wikipedia article is sourceless and based on God knows what, in fact I just signed into Wikipedia and added right next to her name "She was from Ahlul-Sunnah and never heard of Imamah in her life."

So...yea

[TripolySunni]

I came across this nice book by Shaykh Sa'id Hawwa called Khumayniyya. The great Sunni scholar and student of the Hanafi scholar Shaykh Muhammad Hamid and one of the leaders of Ikhwan.

In this book he refutes the belief that the so-called Shia Twelvers have a lot in common with the Ahlusunnah. He mentions quotes from Khomeini's book that are clear kufr.

http://www.saaid.net/book/8/1696.doc

He warns about the so-called Shia revolution and that Sunnis should not be deceived by it. He deals with the following topics:

1. Excessiveness in their 12 Imams
2. Qur'an is tampered
3. Their stance of the Sunnah
4. Their stance on the Sahaba
5. Denegrating the status of our Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam)
6. They oppose the consensus
7. Their opinion about Sunnis (those who do not believe in their 12 Imams, will enter hell)
8. Excessiveness in Sayyida Fatima

Interestingly, he also refutes the clear belief of knowing everything when it comes to the topic of ilm al-ghayb and ma kaana wa ma yakun:

كما غلا بعض الشيعة فجعلوا الأئمة يشاركون الله في علم الغيب وفي علم كل شيء ، فقد أورد الكليني في " الكافي " باباً بعنوان : ( إن الأئمة يعلمون ما كان وما يكون وأنه لا يخفى عليهم شيء ) [ ] ، وهذا كله نقيض قوله تعالى : { عالم الغيب فلا يظهر على غيبه أحداً إلا من ارتضى من رسول } ، ونحن لا ننكر أن يطلع الله عباده على شيء من غيبه كرامه له ، ولكننا ننكر أن يكون هذا هو الأصل في حق اي مخلوق

Salam Aleykum!!!!

OMG How could I have missed these two verses!? forget about the Shia for a moment, the two verses quoted to disprove Shiism are an additional and solid proof that al-Khadir (as) was a Prophet of God and not some random man...

read:

[He is] Knower of the unseen, and He does not disclose His [knowledge of the] unseen to anyone (72:26) Except whom He has approved of messengers, and indeed, He sends before each messenger and behind him observers (72:27)

transliteration:
AAalimu alghaybi fala yuthhiru AAala ghaybihi ahadan (26) Illa mani irtada min rasoolin fainnahu yasluku min bayni yadayhi wamin khalfihi rasadan (27)

[EmGee909]

Salam aleykum,

can someone please send me the source of the shia hadeeth which is narrated by a donkey (i mean a real donkey, not just a shia scholar) ?

[TripolySunni]

Salam aleykum,

can someone please send me the source of the shia hadeeth which is narrated by a donkey (i mean a real donkey, not just a shia scholar) ?

Usool al-Kafi volume 1 page 184.

under the chapter:
"باب ما عند الأئمة من سلاح رسول الله"

Donkey narrated from his father, from his grandfather, ect...

(May Ghaddafi burn in hell)

[Hafiz Gee]

Salam

what do you mean:


Donkey narrated from his father, from his grandfather, ect...

can ****tes speak to donkeys? I'm intrigued...

I've heard of people speaking "horse" before, Jonathan Swift in his novel Gulliver's Travels mentions that Horses speak "German", so Germans can basically understand their mounts. but never have I heard of people speaking "donkey".....

[TripolySunni]

Salam

what do you mean:



can ****tes speak to donkeys? I'm intrigued...

I've heard of people speaking "horse" before, Jonathan Swift in his novel Gulliver's Travels mentions that Horses speak "German", so Germans can basically understand their mounts. but never have I heard of people speaking "donkey".....

The Shia scholars narrated a Hadith from a Donkey who spoke to Ameer al Mumineen, The donkey said: My Father told me that his father told him that his grandfather told him that his father told him that he was on the arc with Noah PBUH, and Noah wiped on the back of the donkey and said: "From his progeny will be born a donkey whom the seal of prophets shall ride."

and yes the Shia do accept this narration and their scholars include it in their books... it doesn't even classify as a Hadith, how can you find out the authenticity of something narrated by animals? Maybe the Shia should follow 'Ilm al-Hamir instead of 'Ilm al-Rijal in their Hadith science.

[EmGee909]

Usool al-Kafi volume 1 page 184.

under the chapter:
"باب ما عند الأئمة من سلاح رسول الله"

Donkey narrated from his father, from his grandfather, ect...

(May Ghaddafi burn in hell)


hahaha thank you akhi.. i asked because i am in the middle of a 'debate' with some shias, and i was worried about mentioning this 'hadith' incase it was actually a lie..

He will inshaAllah, for what he has done to us. Ameen.

[TripolySunni]

hahaha thank you akhi.. i asked because i am in the middle of a 'debate' with some shias, and i was worried about mentioning this 'hadith' incase it was actually a lie..

He will inshaAllah, for what he has done to us. Ameen.

If you need any help am here inchallah...and I am sleepy :/

BTW If you dig through this thread you'll find that I addressed this hadith of donkeys in length SOMEWHERE hehe...

[EmGee909]

If you need any help am here inchallah...and I am sleepy :/

BTW If you dig through this thread you'll find that I addressed this hadith of donkeys in length SOMEWHERE hehe...


Jazakallahukhayr
yeah i will ask inshallah..
I will check it out .. haha never did i ever believe that shias would be so low as to bring innocent donkeys into their equation lol

If you have time (or a youtube account) add me (nn909) so itll be easier to get information and advice


p.s is the tripoli in your name Libya or Lebanon?

[TripolySunni]

Jazakallahukhayr
yeah i will ask inshallah..
I will check it out .. haha never did i ever believe that shias would be so low as to bring innocent donkeys into their equation lol

If you have time (or a youtube account) add me (nn909) so itll be easier to get information and advice


p.s is the tripoli in your name Libya or Lebanon?

Lebanon, Inchallah I'll add you later.

[TripolySunni]

The Arabic TV channel "Wisal TV" has now opened a Farsi channel with the same purpose of exposing Shia scholars:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APVDqNI3YM8

[TripolySunni]

Hadith about the Caliphate:


الأنبياء إخوة لعلات ، أمهاتهم شتى ، ودينهم واحد ، وأنا أولى الناس بعيسى بن مريم ؛ لأنه لم يكن بيني وبينه نبي ، وإنه خليفتي على أمتي ، وإنه نازل ، فإذا رأيتموه فاعرفوه

الراوي: أبو هريرة المحدث: ابن جرير الطبري - المصدر: تفسير الطبري - الصفحة أو الرقم: 3/1/373
خلاصة حكم المحدث: متواتر

Abu Huraira (ra) Narrated: "The prophet PBUH said: The Prophets are like brothers from different mothers, their religion is one, I am the most worthy of Isa ibn Mariam PBUH because there were no other prophets between us, He is my Caliph on my Ummah and he will descend so when you see him then recognize him..."

Ibn Jariri al-Tabari said the Hadith is Mutawatir in his Tafseer.

[wellwisher]

Imam Ja'far said regardng Muta' :

ونقل البيهقي عن جعفر بن محمد أنه سئل عن المتعة فقال هي الزنا بعينه

- Imam Ja'far (RA) was asked about Muta' and he said 'It is Zina itself'. Brother tripolysunni can you please check that whether this narration has a chain or not?

[EmGee909]

my shia friend brought up the idea of the sahaba being mentioned in the Quran. because he started saying about how Ali (ra) is mentioned in the Quran in Surah Ma'ida verse 55:
إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمْ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاَةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ
i think that he expected me to reject that the verse was actually referring to Ali or something (lol). The problem with Shias is that they dont understand that we actually love Imam Ali and ahlulbayt. I told him what about the verses that Allah mentioned Abubakr(RA) as a companion. He ignored my question (quite typical) and mentioned how we 'insult Muhammad (pbuh)' by saying that Surah Abasa is Allah telling Muhammad off for turning away from the blind man. He said that no its not referring to Muhammad(PBUH) but its actually referring to 'A SAHABA WHO TURNED AWAY FROM BATTLE' (3abasa wa tawalla) .. he said it was probably Abu Bakr(RA) or Umar (RA) 'the coward' haha. I kinda refuted him really easily using simple knowledge. I asked him to translate the next aya 'an ja' ahul a3ma' and that it simply doesn't make sense to imply that the first aya is talking about a sahaba turning away from battle, when the next aya says 'when the blind man came to him'. He went silent lol.

I just thought id share this with you lot, just to show how easy it is to refute the rafidhis using simple logic (and simple arabic hah) (if you didnt already know)

[TripolySunni]

my shia friend brought up the idea of the sahaba being mentioned in the Quran. because he started saying about how Ali (ra) is mentioned in the Quran in Surah Ma'ida verse 55:
إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمْ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاَةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ
i think that he expected me to reject that the verse was actually referring to Ali or something (lol). The problem with Shias is that they dont understand that we actually love Imam Ali and ahlulbayt. I told him what about the verses that Allah mentioned Abubakr(RA) as a companion. He ignored my question (quite typical) and mentioned how we 'insult Muhammad (pbuh)' by saying that Surah Abasa is Allah telling Muhammad off for turning away from the blind man. He said that no its not referring to Muhammad(PBUH) but its actually referring to 'A SAHABA WHO TURNED AWAY FROM BATTLE' (3abasa wa tawalla) .. he said it was probably Abu Bakr(RA) or Umar (RA) 'the coward' haha. I kinda refuted him really easily using simple knowledge. I asked him to translate the next aya 'an ja' ahul a3ma' and that it simply doesn't make sense to imply that the first aya is talking about a sahaba turning away from battle, when the next aya says 'when the blind man came to him'. He went silent lol.

I just thought id share this with you lot, just to show how easy it is to refute the rafidhis using simple logic (and simple arabic hah) (if you didnt already know)

Salam Aleykum,

Actually Ma'ida verse 55 is referring to all the companions, not just one of them.

As for Surat 'Abasa, Here is the Tafseer of the Big Shia scholar al-Tubrusi in Majma'a al-Bayan fi Tafseer al-Quran and he states the reason the verse was reveald and says that it was regardng the Prophet PBUH and a blind Man:

النزول: قيل نزلت الآيات في عبد الله بن أم مكتوم وهو عبد الله بن شريح بن مالك ابن ربيعة الفهري من بني عامر بن لؤي وذلك أنه أتى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وهو يناجي عتبة بن ربيعة وأبا جهل بن هشام والعباس بن عبد المطلب وأبيّاً وأمية ابني خلف يدعوهم إلى الله ويرجو إسلامهم فقال يا رسول الله أقرئني وعلمني مما علمك الله فجعل يناديه ويكرر النداء ولا يدري أنه مشتغل مقبل على غيره حتى ظهرت الكراهة في وجه رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لقطعه كلامه وقال في نفسه يقول هؤلاء الصناديد إنما أتباعه العميان والعبيد فأعرض عنه وأقبل على القوم الذين يكلمهم فنزلت الآيات.

وكان رسول الله بعد ذلك يكرمه وإذا رآه قال: " مرحباً بمن عاتبني فيه ربي " ويقول له " هل لك من حاجة " واستخلفه على المدينة مرتين في غزوتين وقال أنس بن مالك: فرأيته يوم القادسية وعليه درع ومعه راية سوداء.

Not only that, he also quotes a Shia Hadith from Ja'afar al-Sadiq (rah) stating the exact same thing:

الصادق (ع) أنه قال: كان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إذا رأى عبد الله ابن أم مكتوم قال: " مرحباً مرحباً لا والله لا يعاتبني الله فيك أبداً " وكان يصنع به من اللطف حتى كان يكفّ عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم مما يفعل به.


Now we have one of their biggest scholars of Tafseer and one of their 11 Imams and they both "Insult" the Prophet PBUH according to your Shia friend.


As for his saying that it was revealed regarding a companion who fled battle I've never head of this before nor did I read it in their books of Tafseer, your friend probably just made it up besides even if he fled away from battle as he said, just read the verses and see if his story makes sense:

He frowned and turned away (80:1) Because the blind man came unto him. (80:2)

Ok he Frowned? Why'd he frown if he was fighting in a battle? Allah could have said "He got scared an turned away" but he said "Frowned"... doesn't make sense.
And why did he "Frown" and run away from battle? Because of the blind Man? was he fighting a blind Man? Well if you can't beat a Blind man in a war then you really should frown cause you're useless hehe..

[TripolySunni]

Khomeini's miraculous birth... Deceiving the laymen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4FHtEvv-mo

Sheikh 'Uthman al-Khamis from Kuwait on al-Hassan and Mu'awiyah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWcjXCr3Hb4

Sending prayer upon the Aal & the companions - Debate between Abdul-Salam al-Maghribi and the Rafidhi al-Tijani al-Samawi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XliK6TTqdng

[EmGee909]

As for his saying that it was revealed regarding a companion who fled battle I've never head of this before nor did I read it in their books of Tafseer, your friend probably just made it up besides even if he fled away from battle as he said, just read the verses and see if his story makes sense:

He frowned and turned away (80:1) Because the blind man came unto him. (80:2)

Ok he Frowned? Why'd he frown if he was fighting in a battle? Allah could have said "He got scared an turned away" but he said "Frowned"... doesn't make sense.
And why did he "Frown" and run away from battle? Because of the blind Man? was he fighting a blind Man? Well if you can't beat a Blind man in a war then you really should frown cause you're useless hehe..

Wa aleykum salam

Yeah, i said 'tayyib, how does it make sense then?' and he changed subject.. lol. I asked a kalb from Answering-Ansar about why Muhammad(saw) spent most of his life with 'kuffar' (i.e Abubakr, omar, aisha) but i used Abubakr as an example and why the Prophet stayed in the cave and travelled with him if he was evil. he replied by saying 'Spending time in a cave with the prophet doesnt make you righteous or praiseworthy.' So i said: 'Ok, but surely Allah calling you a 'sahaba who I(ALLAH) lowered my security upon' does? the rafidhi then ignored my point hehee.

Oh, and :jazak: for the links, mashaallah very good.

P.s i can post the whole debate here if you want.. also hes sent me a reply and i may need help answering it..

teshkur.

[AlHannah20]

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[TripolySunni]

ٍالسلام عليكم و رحمة الملك العلام و بركاته

One of the easiest things to prove is that Ameer 'Ali ibn abi Talib (kw) was not infallible and he did commit sins and he was forgetful at times so he made mistakes and what he says at times my oppose what is in his heart and the easiest way to prove this is from the Shia sources themselves:

Ali (kw) asks Allah to forgive his sins and his shortcomings:


اللهم إغفرلي ما أنت أعلم به مني ، فإن عدت فعد علي بالمغفرة ، اللهم أغفر لي ما وأيت من نفسي ولم تجد له وفاءً عندي اللهم إغفرلي ما تقربت له إليك بلساني ثم خالفه قلبي ، اللهم اغفر لي رمزات الألحاظ ، وسقطات الألفاظ ، وشهوات الجنان ، وهفوات اللسان

نهج البلاغة
وهو مجموعة خطب مولانا أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام
وأوامره وكتبه ورسائله وحكمه ومواعظه
تأليف: الشريف الرضي
أبي الحسن محمد بن الحسين بن موسى بن محمد
بن موسى بن إبراهيم بن الإمام موسى الكاظم عليه السلام
تحقيق: الشيخ فارس الحسّون
إعداد
مركز الأبحاث العقائدية
خطبة رقم
[ 77 ]
ومن كلمات له (عليه السلام) كان يدعوبها
(ص 131 - ص 162)


Ali (ra) said: "O' my Lord! Forgive me what Thou knowest about me more than I do. If I return (to the sins) Thou return to forgiveness. My Lord forgive me what I had promised to myself but Thou didst not find its fulfilment with me. My Lord forgive me that with what I sought nearness to Thee with my tongue but my heart opposed and did not perform it. My Lord forgive me winkings of the eye, vile utterances, desires of the heart and errors of speech."

source: Nahjul-Balagha by al-Sharif al-Radi, Sermon 77.

Ali (kw) asks the people to advise him and correct him because he is not above error:


لا تُخَالِطُونِي بالْمُصَانَعَةِ(2)، وَلاَ تَظُنّوا بِيَ اسْتِثْقَالاً فِي حَقّ قِيلَ لِي، وَلاَ الِْتمَاسَ إِعْظَام لِنَفْسِي،
فَإِنَّهُ مَنِ اسْتَثْقَلَ الْحَقَّ أَنْ يُقَالَ لَهُ أَوْ الْعَدْلَ أَنْ يُعْرَضَ عَلَيْهِ، كَانَ الْعَمَلُ بِهِمَا أَثْقَلَ عَلَيْهِ. فَلاَ تَكُفُّوا عَنْ مَقَال بِحَقّ، أَوْ مَشُورَة بِعَدْل، فَإِنِّي لَسْتُ فِي نَفْسِي بِفَوْقِ أَنْ أُخْطِىءَ، وَلاَ آمَنُ ذلِكَ مِنْ فِعْلِي، إِلاَّ أَنْ يَكْفِيَ اللهُ مِنْ نَفْسِي مَا هُوَ أَمْلَكُ بِهِ مِنِّي(3)، فَإنَّمَا أَنَا وَأَنْتُمْ عَبِيدٌ مَمْلُوكُونَ لِرَبٍّ لاَ رَبَّ غَيْرُهُ، يَمْلِكُ مِنَّا مَا لاَ نَمْلِكُ مِنْ أَنْفُسِنَا، وَأَخْرَجَنَا مِمَّا كُنَّا فِيهِ إِلَى مَا صَلَحْنَا عَلَيْهِ، فَأَبْدَلَنَا بَعْدَ الضَّلاَلَةِ بِالْهُدَى، وَأَعْطَانَا الْبصِيرَةَ بَعْدَ الْعَمَى.

نهج البلاغة
وهو مجموعة خطب مولانا أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام
وأوامره وكتبه ورسائله وحكمه ومواعظه
تأليف: الشريف الرضي
أبي الحسن محمد بن الحسين بن موسى بن محمد
بن موسى بن إبراهيم بن الإمام موسى الكاظم عليه السلام
تحقيق: الشيخ فارس الحسّون
إعداد
مركز الأبحاث العقائدية
خطبة له (عليه السلام) بصفين
(ص 526 - ص 552)



Ali (ra) told his men: "Therefore, do not abstain from saying a truth or pointing out a matter of justice because I do not regard myself above making mistakes. I do not escape erring in my actions but that Allah helps me in matters in which He is more powerful than I. Certainly, I and you are slaves owned by Allah, other than Whom there is no Lord except Him. He owns our selves which we do not own. He took us from where we were towards what means prosperity to us. He altered our straying into guidance and gave us intelligence after blindness."

source: Nahjul-Balagha by al-Sharif al-Radi, Sermon 215.


Ali (kw) asks Allah to forgive him for the sins which only He is aware of:

وقال(عليه السلام) وقد مدحه قوم في وجهه: اللَّهُمَّ إِنَّكَ أَعْلَمُ بِي مِنْ نَفْسِي، وَأَنَا أَعْلَمُ بِنَفْسِي مِنْهُمْ، اللَّهُمَّ اجْعَلْنَا خَيْراً مِمَّا يَظُنُّونَ، وَاغْفِرْ لَنَا مَا لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ.

نهج البلاغة
وهو مجموعة خطب مولانا أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام
وأوامره وكتبه ورسائله وحكمه ومواعظه
تأليف: الشريف الرضي
أبي الحسن محمد بن الحسين بن موسى بن محمد
بن موسى بن إبراهيم بن الإمام موسى الكاظم عليه السلام
تحقيق: الشيخ فارس تبريزيان
إعداد
مركز الأبحاث العقائدية
بَابُ المُخْتَارِ مِنْ حِكَمِ أَمِيرالمؤمنين عليه السلام
وَمَوَاعِظِهِ
الصفحة 791 - الصفحة 792


Some people praised Imam Ali to his face. He replied, "Allah knows me very well and I also know myself more than you. Please, Lord ! make me better than what they imagine me to be and please excuse those Weaknesses of mine which they are not aware of."

source: Nahjul-Balagha by al-Sharif al-Radi, Sayings of Imam Ali #100.

Salam,

[TripolySunni]

ٍالسلام عليكم و رحمة الملك العلام و بركاته

One of the easiest things to prove is that Ameer 'Ali ibn abi Talib (kw) was not infallible and he did commit sins and he was forgetful at times so he made mistakes and what he says at times my oppose what is in his heart and the easiest way to prove this is from the Shia sources themselves:

Ali (kw) asks Allah to forgive his sins and his shortcomings:


اللهم إغفرلي ما أنت أعلم به مني ، فإن عدت فعد علي بالمغفرة ، اللهم أغفر لي ما وأيت من نفسي ولم تجد له وفاءً عندي اللهم إغفرلي ما تقربت له إليك بلساني ثم خالفه قلبي ، اللهم اغفر لي رمزات الألحاظ ، وسقطات الألفاظ ، وشهوات الجنان ، وهفوات اللسان

نهج البلاغة
وهو مجموعة خطب مولانا أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام
وأوامره وكتبه ورسائله وحكمه ومواعظه
تأليف: الشريف الرضي
أبي الحسن محمد بن الحسين بن موسى بن محمد
بن موسى بن إبراهيم بن الإمام موسى الكاظم عليه السلام
تحقيق: الشيخ فارس الحسّون
إعداد
مركز الأبحاث العقائدية
خطبة رقم
[ 77 ]
ومن كلمات له (عليه السلام) كان يدعوبها
(ص 131 - ص 162)


Ali (ra) said: "O' my Lord! Forgive me what Thou knowest about me more than I do. If I return (to the sins) Thou return to forgiveness. My Lord forgive me what I had promised to myself but Thou didst not find its fulfilment with me. My Lord forgive me that with what I sought nearness to Thee with my tongue but my heart opposed and did not perform it. My Lord forgive me winkings of the eye, vile utterances, desires of the heart and errors of speech."

source: Nahjul-Balagha by al-Sharif al-Radi, Sermon 77.

Ali (kw) asks the people to advise him and correct him because he is not above error:


لا تُخَالِطُونِي بالْمُصَانَعَةِ(2)، وَلاَ تَظُنّوا بِيَ اسْتِثْقَالاً فِي حَقّ قِيلَ لِي، وَلاَ الِْتمَاسَ إِعْظَام لِنَفْسِي،
فَإِنَّهُ مَنِ اسْتَثْقَلَ الْحَقَّ أَنْ يُقَالَ لَهُ أَوْ الْعَدْلَ أَنْ يُعْرَضَ عَلَيْهِ، كَانَ الْعَمَلُ بِهِمَا أَثْقَلَ عَلَيْهِ. فَلاَ تَكُفُّوا عَنْ مَقَال بِحَقّ، أَوْ مَشُورَة بِعَدْل، فَإِنِّي لَسْتُ فِي نَفْسِي بِفَوْقِ أَنْ أُخْطِىءَ، وَلاَ آمَنُ ذلِكَ مِنْ فِعْلِي، إِلاَّ أَنْ يَكْفِيَ اللهُ مِنْ نَفْسِي مَا هُوَ أَمْلَكُ بِهِ مِنِّي(3)، فَإنَّمَا أَنَا وَأَنْتُمْ عَبِيدٌ مَمْلُوكُونَ لِرَبٍّ لاَ رَبَّ غَيْرُهُ، يَمْلِكُ مِنَّا مَا لاَ نَمْلِكُ مِنْ أَنْفُسِنَا، وَأَخْرَجَنَا مِمَّا كُنَّا فِيهِ إِلَى مَا صَلَحْنَا عَلَيْهِ، فَأَبْدَلَنَا بَعْدَ الضَّلاَلَةِ بِالْهُدَى، وَأَعْطَانَا الْبصِيرَةَ بَعْدَ الْعَمَى.

نهج البلاغة
وهو مجموعة خطب مولانا أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام
وأوامره وكتبه ورسائله وحكمه ومواعظه
تأليف: الشريف الرضي
أبي الحسن محمد بن الحسين بن موسى بن محمد
بن موسى بن إبراهيم بن الإمام موسى الكاظم عليه السلام
تحقيق: الشيخ فارس الحسّون
إعداد
مركز الأبحاث العقائدية
خطبة له (عليه السلام) بصفين
(ص 526 - ص 552)



Ali (ra) told his men: "Therefore, do not abstain from saying a truth or pointing out a matter of justice because I do not regard myself above making mistakes. I do not escape erring in my actions but that Allah helps me in matters in which He is more powerful than I. Certainly, I and you are slaves owned by Allah, other than Whom there is no Lord except Him. He owns our selves which we do not own. He took us from where we were towards what means prosperity to us. He altered our straying into guidance and gave us intelligence after blindness."

source: Nahjul-Balagha by al-Sharif al-Radi, Sermon 215.


Ali (kw) asks Allah to forgive him for the sins which only He is aware of:

وقال(عليه السلام) وقد مدحه قوم في وجهه: اللَّهُمَّ إِنَّكَ أَعْلَمُ بِي مِنْ نَفْسِي، وَأَنَا أَعْلَمُ بِنَفْسِي مِنْهُمْ، اللَّهُمَّ اجْعَلْنَا خَيْراً مِمَّا يَظُنُّونَ، وَاغْفِرْ لَنَا مَا لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ.

نهج البلاغة
وهو مجموعة خطب مولانا أمير المؤمنين عليه السلام
وأوامره وكتبه ورسائله وحكمه ومواعظه
تأليف: الشريف الرضي
أبي الحسن محمد بن الحسين بن موسى بن محمد
بن موسى بن إبراهيم بن الإمام موسى الكاظم عليه السلام
تحقيق: الشيخ فارس تبريزيان
إعداد
مركز الأبحاث العقائدية
بَابُ المُخْتَارِ مِنْ حِكَمِ أَمِيرالمؤمنين عليه السلام
وَمَوَاعِظِهِ
الصفحة 791 - الصفحة 792


Some people praised Imam Ali to his face. He replied, "Allah knows me very well and I also know myself more than you. Please, Lord ! make me better than what they imagine me to be and please excuse those Weaknesses of mine which they are not aware of."

source: Nahjul-Balagha by al-Sharif al-Radi, Sayings of Imam Ali #100.

Salam,

[TripolySunni]

Check out this Hadith in the Shia books:


عن الرضا، عن أبيه، عن آبائه، عن الحسين بن علي رضي الله عنه قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: إن أبا بكر مني بمنزلة السمع، وإن عمر مني بمنزلة البصر، وإن عثمان مني بمنزلة الفؤاد

From al-Reda from his Father and his fathers from al-Hussein bin Ali: The Prophet PBUH said: "To me Abu Bakr is of the rank of my hearing, and to me 'Umar is of the rank of my sight, and 'Uthman to me is of the rank of my heart."

shia sources:
-عيون الأخبار: (1/280)، البرهان: (2/420)، نور الثقلين: (3/164)، معاني الأخبار: (387).
-'Uyoun al-Akhbar 1/280, al-Burhan 2/240, Noor al-Thaqalayn 3/164, Ma'ani al-Akhbar 387.

But the Shia of course they wouldn't accept this Hadith, so check out how their scholars tried to explain it:

They said that the Hadith actually means that these three people will be asked about the Wilayah of Ali (ra) according to this verse: "And never concern thyself with anything of which thou hast no knowledge: verily, [thy] hearing and sight and heart - all of them - will be called to account for it [on Judgment Day]!" (17:36).

shia sources:
-عيون الأخبار: (174)، البرهان: (2/420)، نور الثقلين: (3/165)، إثبات الهداة: (2/27). البحار: (36/77).
-'Uyoun al-Akhbar 1/174, al-Burhan 2/420, Noor al-Thaqalayn 3/165, Ithbat al-Hudat 2/27, Bihar al-Anwar 36/77.

May Allah guide them :)

[EmGee909]

But the Shia of course they wouldn't accept this Hadith, so check out how their scholars tried to explain it:

They said that the Hadith actually means that these three people will be asked about the Wilayah of Ali (ra) according to this verse: "And never concern thyself with anything of which thou hast no knowledge: verily, [thy] hearing and sight and heart - all of them - will be called to account for it [on Judgment Day]!" (17:36).

shia sources:
-عيون الأخبار: (174)، البرهان: (2/420)، نور الثقلين: (3/165)، إثبات الهداة: (2/27). البحار: (36/77).
-'Uyoun al-Akhbar 1/174, al-Burhan 2/420, Noor al-Thaqalayn 3/165, Ithbat al-Hudat 2/27, Bihar al-Anwar 36/77.

May Allah guide them :)

Salam,

its hilarious how every ayah is talking about Ali ra, i checked out the list of verses yesterday, and literally like 3 quarters of the quran (a bit exaggerated) is talking about him. Which makes me think 'whats the point of the quran if its all talking about ali?'

Example from a shia source:

أَفَمَنْ كَانَ مُؤْمِنًا كَمَنْ كَانَ فَاسِقًا ۚ لَا يَسْتَوُونَ
"Is he who is a believer like him who is an evil doer? Verily, they are not equal'' [32:18]
According to Ibn Abbas "believer" in this verse refers to Ali, and 'evil doer" refers to Walid b Utba.
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Now seriously, does every verse really have to do with Ali(RA) ??!!
May Allah guide them...

Oh and back to the Surah Abasa issue, the more common shia misinterpretation is that the blind man Abdullah ibn Umm Maktoom (ra) came to the Prophet (SAW) and his companions and sat with them. But Uthman (RA) got angry at having a blind man sit with them, so he moved away and sat with his rich friends. LOL, idiots...

[EmGee909]

by the way ya ikhwan, what is the issue of Fadak?? i dont actually know the ins and outs, because all the sources online seem to be shia, or not detailed enough..

Any 'enlightenment' would be great thanks lol
:jazak:

[TripolySunni]

by the way ya ikhwan, what is the issue of Fadak?? i dont actually know the ins and outs, because all the sources online seem to be shia, or not detailed enough..

Any 'enlightenment' would be great thanks lol
:jazak:

Salam Aleykum,

The issue is that the Prophet PBUH had several possessions before he died, one of them is a piece of land called Fadak, So after he PBUH passed away his daughter Fatima (ra) came to ask the Caliph of the Muslims Abu Bakr (ra) about the inheritance and her share from the land but she did not know that the Prophet PBUH said:


The Prophet PBUH said: The learned(Scholars) are the heirs of the Prophets, and the Prophets leave neither dinar nor dirham, leaving only knowledge, and he who takes it takes an abundant portion.

(Sunan Abu Dawood, Book #25, Hadith #3634)
Hadith: SAHIH

And he also said:

Narrated Abu Huraira RAA: Allah's Apostle said, "My heirs will not inherit a dinar or a Dirham (i.e. money), for whatever I leave excluding the adequate support of my wives(Nafaqah) and the wages of my employees (All else) is given in charity."

(Sahih al bukhari Book #51, Hadith #37)
Hadith: SAHIH

Narrated Amr bin Al-Harith RAA: (The brother of the wife of Allah's Apostle. Juwaira bint Al-Harith) When Allah's Apostle died, he did not leave any Dirham or dinar (i.e. money), a slave or a slave woman or anything else except his white mule, his arms and a piece of land which he had given in charity .

(Sahih al bukhari - Book #51, Hadith #2)
Hadith: SAHIH

Also:

Narrated 'Urwa RAA: 'Aisha said, "When Allah's Apostle died, his wives intended to send 'Uthman to Abu Bakr asking him for their share of the inheritance." Then 'Aisha said to them, "Didn't Allah's Apostle say, 'Our (Apostles') property is not to be inherited, and whatever we leave is to be spent in charity?'"

[Sahih al Bukhari]

In a Long narration al Abbas RAA and fatima bint Muhammad RAA came to the caliph Abu Bakr RAA to ask for their share of a Land (Fadak) left by the Prophet PBUH:

Abu Bakr said, "Allah's Apostle said, 'We (Prophets), our property is not inherited, and whatever we leave is Sadaqa, but Muhammad's Family can eat from this property, i.e. Allah's property, but they have no right to take more than the food they need.' By Allah! I will not bring any change in dealing with the Sadaqa of the Prophet (and will keep them) as they used to be observed in his (i.e. the Prophet's) life-time, and I will dispose with it as Allah's Apostle used to do," Then 'Ali said, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and that Muhammad is His Apostle," and added, "O Abu Bakr! We acknowledge your superiority." Then he (i.e. 'Ali) mentioned their own relationship to Allah's Apostle and their right so Abu Bakr replied: "By Allah in Whose Hands my life is. I love to do good to the relatives of Allah's Apostle rather than to my own relatives" Abu Bakr added: Look at Muhammad through his family (i.e. if you are no good to his family you are not good to him).

[Sahih al Bukhari]

What happened was that Fatima (ra) was saddened and one narration said "angry" and she did not dispute with Caliph Abu Bakr (ra) once the truth was revealed to her, she left but the Caliph felt bad so he went to Ali's (ra) house later:

“When Fatima became ill, Abu Bakr came to her and asked for permission to enter. So Ali said, ‘O Fatima, this is Abu Bakr asking for permission to enter.’ She answerd, ‘Do you want me to give him permission?’ He said, ‘Yes.’ So she allowed him (to enter), and he came in seeking her pleasure, so he told her: ‘By Allah, I only left my home and property and my family seeking the pleasure of Allah and His Messenger and you, O Ahlel Bayt.’ So he talked to her until she was pleased with him.” (Sunan Al-Bayhaqi)

This Hadith is narrated by Bayhaqi in al Sunan al Kubra (6:300-301) and Dala’il al-Nubuwwa (7:273-281) who said: “It is narrated with a good (hasan) chain.” Muhibb al Din al-Tabari cited it in al Riyad Al Nadira (2:96-97 #534) and Dhahabi in the Siyar (Ibid). Ibn Kathir states it as Sahih in his Al Bidayah and Ibn Hajar in his Fath Al Bari.


That's all you need to know about the matter from authentic narrations... of course the Shia say that Abu Bakr (ra) had some kind of grudge against her and he hated her and didn't wanna give her the land so he is a Kaffir... they just want an excuse to make Takfir on him.

[EmGee909]

Salam Aleykum,

The issue is that the Prophet PBUH had several possessions before he died, one of them is a piece of land called Fadak, So after he PBUH passed away his daughter Fatima (ra) came to ask the Caliph of the Muslims Abu Bakr (ra) about the inheritance and her share from the land but she did not know that the Prophet PBUH said:

The Prophet PBUH said: The learned(Scholars) are the heirs of the Prophets, and the Prophets leave neither dinar nor dirham, leaving only knowledge, and he who takes it takes an abundant portion.

(Sunan Abu Dawood, Book #25, Hadith #3634)
Hadith: SAHIH

Wa aleykum salam,

ahh so thats what fadak is.. Is it true though that the reason that Fatima (RAA) didnt want to be buried next to her father (SAWS) was because he was buried next to as-Siddeeq (RAA) ?

[wellwisher]

Wa aleykum salam,

ahh so thats what fadak is.. Is it true though that the reason that Fatima (RAA) didnt want to be buried next to her father (SAWS) was because he was buried next to as-Siddeeq (RAA) ? Fatima(ra) died before Abubakar(ra) died or was buried beside prophet(Saw). :)

[EmGee909]

Fatima(ra) died before Abubakar(ra) died or was buried beside prophet(Saw). :)

LOL shia point fail. Cos, they blame the fact that Abubakr (ra) and Fatima (ra) had a dispute and so she made a request not to be buried next to him. However, shias also say that Fatima (ra) didnt want anyone to know about her burial or death at the time, and so Ali (ra) washed her and buried her without anyone knowing. So it doesnt make sense that they blame Abubakr (ra) on the burial place of Fatima (ra). Also, they claim that since Aisha (ra) was in control of the land that the Prophet (saws) was buried on, and so didnt want Fatima (ra) to be buried there... Oh how very confusing the amount of sh** they come out with is..

:jazak: on that info

[TripolySunni]

LOL shia point fail. Cos, they blame the fact that Abubakr (ra) and Fatima (ra) had a dispute and so she made a request not to be buried next to him. However, shias also say that Fatima (ra) didnt want anyone to know about her burial or death at the time, and so Ali (ra) washed her and buried her without anyone knowing. So it doesnt make sense that they blame Abubakr (ra) on the burial place of Fatima (ra). Also, they claim that since Aisha (ra) was in control of the land that the Prophet (saws) was buried on, and so didnt want Fatima (ra) to be buried there... Oh how very confusing the amount of sh** they come out with is..

:jazak: on that info

Only take Sahih hadith, the amount of rubbish they invent it's just too much...which is why all their narrations contradict one another.

[EmGee909]

Look at these khanazeer LOL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz9_y0YHRBw

Hahah, the worst thing is,... The 'bismillahirrahmanirraheem' bit is actually quite nice..

Then it all turns into a rave ... a topless man one o.O

[wellwisher]

Akhee tripoly what is the source for this statement:


In the Main books of ahlul Sunnah Imam Ja'afar al Sadiq RAA narrated 2032 Hadiths
Which are these main books?

[TripolySunni]

Akhee tripoly what is the source for this statement:

Which are these main books?

When they say main books it means the nine main books. I remember it was Dr.Muhammad al-Hashimi who said this I think.

[TripolySunni]

Brother tripolysunni can you please check that whether this narration has a chain or not?


Imam Ja'far said regardng Muta' :

ونقل البيهقي عن جعفر بن محمد أنه سئل عن المتعة فقال هي الزنا بعينه

- Imam Ja'far (RA) was asked about Muta' and he said 'It is Zina itself'.

This narration I've never quoted it before and I do not know its Sanad, those who quote it say that it is from al-Sunan al-kubrah for al-Beihaqi and the Tareekh of al-Khateeb.

[TripolySunni]

What does the classical Shia scholar al-Tusi think of Mutah?


قال الطوسي :
« وأما ما رواه أحمد بن محمد عن ابى الحسن عن بعض اصحابنا يرفعه إلى ابي عبد الله -عليه السلام- قال:
لا تتمتع بالمؤمنة فتذلها. فهذا حديث مقطوع الاسناد شاذ،
ويحتمل/ ان يكون المراد به :
إذا كانت المرأة من اهل بيت الشرف ،
فانه لا يجوز التمتع بها ،
لما يلحق اهلها من العار ،
ويلحقها هي من الذل ،
ويكون ذلك مكروها ،
دون ان يكون محظورا»
(تهذيب الأحكام للطوسي7/253).

al-Tusi said in his book: As for what is narrated from Ahmad bin Muhammad from Abu al-Hassan from some of our companions which is Marfu'u to Abu Abdullah -PBUH- that he said: "Do not humiliate the believing woman by having Mutah with her." and this Hadith has a Maqtu'u Isnad and has Shuzouz in the Matn.
It is possible that what is meant in this narration is that if a believing woman was from a noble household then it is not allowed to have Mutah with her as it will dishonour her parents and disgrace her and this would be Makruh(Disliked) without it being forbidden."

source: Tahtheeb al-Ahkam 7/253 by al-Tusi.

I ask the Shia why would Allah allow this "Mutah" if it will bring disgrace and dishonour to the girl and the parents?

[TripolySunni]

Another of the Nasibi Shia insults to Ameer al Mumineen Ali (ra):

In Bihar al-Anwar 4/303:

عن أبي عبد الله رضي الله عنه قال: ( أتى عمر بامرأة قد تعلقت برجل من الأنصار كانت تهواه، فأخذت بيضة وصَبَّت البياض على ثيابها وبين فخذيها، فقام علي فنظر بين فخذيها، فاتَّهَمَها ) بحار الأنوار 4/303.
From Abu Abdullah -pbuh-: "They brought 'Umar a woman who was attached to a man from the Ansar and used to love him, so she took an egg and placed the white albumen on her clothes and between her thighs, So Ali stood up he looked between her thighs and he accused her."

In al-Kafi 7/422:

عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ يَزِيدَ عَنْ أَبِي الْمُعَلَّى عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ( عليه السلام ) قَالَ أُتِيَ عُمَرُ بْنُ الْخَطَّابِ بِامْرَأَةٍ قَدْ تَعَلَّقَتْ بِرَجُلٍ مِنَ الْأَنْصَارِ وَ كَانَتْ تَهْوَاهُ وَ لَمْ تَقْدِرْ لَهُ عَلَى حِيلَةٍ فَذَهَبَتْ فَأَخَذَتْ بَيْضَةً فَأَخْرَجَتْ مِنْهَا الصُّفْرَةَ وَ صَبَّتِ الْبَيَاضَ عَلَى ثِيَابِهَا بَيْنَ فَخِذَيْهَا ثُمَّ جَاءَتْ إِلَى عُمَرَ فَقَالَتْ يَا أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ إِنَّ هَذَا الرَّجُلَ أَخَذَنِي فِي مَوْضِعِ كَذَا وَ كَذَا فَفَضَحَنِي قَالَ فَهَمَّ عُمَرُ أَنْ يُعَاقِبَ الْأَنْصَارِيَّ فَجَعَلَ الْأَنْصَارِيُّ يَحْلِفُ وَ أَمِيرُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ( عليه السلام ) جَالِسٌ وَ يَقُولُ يَا أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ تَثَبَّتْ فِي أَمْرِي فَلَمَّا أَكْثَرَ الْفَتَى قَالَ عُمَرُ لِأَمِيرِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ( عليه السلام ) يَا أَبَا الْحَسَنِ مَا تَرَى فَنَظَرَ أَمِيرُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ( عليه السلام ) إِلَى بَيَاضٍ عَلَى ثَوْبِ الْمَرْأَةِ وَ بَيْنَ فَخِذَيْهَا فَاتَّهَمَهَا أَنْ تَكُونَ احْتَالَتْ لِذَلِكَ فَقَالَ ائْتُونِي بِمَاءٍ حَارٍّ قَدْ أُغْلِيَ غَلَيَاناً شَدِيداً فَفَعَلُوا فَلَمَّا أُتِيَ بِالْمَاءِ أَمَرَهُمْ فَصَبُّوا عَلَى مَوْضِعِ الْبَيَاضِ فَاشْتَوَى ذَلِكَ الْبَيَاضُ فَأَخَذَهُ أَمِيرُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ( عليه السلام ) فَأَلْقَاهُ فِي فِيهِ فَلَمَّا عَرَفَ طَعْمَهُ أَلْقَاهُ مِنْ فِيهِ ثُمَّ أَقْبَلَ عَلَى الْمَرْأَةِ حَتَّى أَقَرَّتْ بِذَلِكَ وَ دَفَعَ اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ عَنِ الْأَنْصَارِيِّ عُقُوبَةَ عُمَرَ .

Imam Abu Abdullah -pbuh- said: They brought to 'Umar bin al-Khattab a woman who was attached to some man from the Ansar and she used to love him but couldn't get to him, so she went and got an egg then discarded the yellow yolk and took the white albumin and placed that on her clothes between her thighs, she then came to 'Umar and said: Ya Ameer al-Mumineen this man has taken me in an improper way and humiliated me, So 'Umar wanted to punish the Man of the Ansar while the Man was saying: O Ameer al Mumineen please look into my affair and he started swearing by Allah, So 'Umar asked Ali -pbuh-: Ya Abu al-Hassan what is your opinion? So Ali looked at the white on her clothes and between her thighs and he accused her of trickery, so he asked for hot boiling water and ordered them to spill it on the areas that have the white on them, after this he tasted the white and realised what the taste is and he confronted the woman until she admitted it and Allah spared the Ansari from 'Umar's punishment.

And if you look at the great number of insults to Ahlul-bayt found in the Shia books you can't help but think that they are the true Nawasib.

[TripolySunni]

Shia scholars are allowed to have Mutah with young Shia girls but do not allow it for their own daughters... One of the famous shia scholars sheikh Muhammad al-'Aradi " محمد العرادي " of Bahrain Who has many lectures online explaining the virtues of Mutah and how the Imams encouraged Mutah and how the angels will make Istighfar for those who make Mutah and narrates from Ibn Babaweih al-Qummi how the Prophet PBUH and Ali (ra) both practised Mutah with women... after all of this one of the people asks him: "Do the respectable Shia scholars allow their daughters to do Mutah?" And the sheikh suddenly frowns and answers: "Would you(the questioner) allow a strange Man to come and take the virginity of your young daughter and then abandon her after one or two hours? my answer is the same as yours."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNzSp5wdRt0

and here is another link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6xo41zAZlQ&feature=related


MAY ALLAH DESTROY YOU EVIL SHIA SCHOLARS!

[dr.ati]

:salam:

AyatUllah Dr Imran Liaqat Hussain , the brother of Amir Liaqat Hussain , runs a 'Khanqaah' adjacent to the shrine of Lal Shehbaz Qalandar. Here are two scenes from the monthly gathering at his ' khanqaah'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTyJaDARpHc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vB2_3Z36do&feature=related

[dr.ati]

Shiasm which is more of a conspiracy theory than a religion having sound grounds , has another dilemma with in its circle as well. The ' Akhabri' shias , who due to lack of media appearances , go unnoticed most of the time , though its the oldest school with in shiasm. The Akhbaris are in short the ' Ghair muqalids' of shiasm who rejected Taqleed , Qayas and Ijmaa. They harshly rebut the Usooli shias and castigate their ' Marja e taqleed'. They try to stick to the scriptures instead of taking the opinion of the Marjaa. Here is what theyt believe. http://akhbari.org/

Their website is a fun to go through but it highlights the basic flaws in the shiasm. This reveals the amount of contradiction one faces when he tries to stick to the poorly evolved , insane , rudimentary shia texts , which the Usoolis normally hide.

[wellwisher]

Narrations from Ahl-AlBayt present in the main books of Ahlesunnah (http://youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/narrations-from-ahl-albayt-present-in-books-the-main-books-of-ahlesunnah/)

Please let me know if there are some corrections to be made..

[dr.ati]

Same is the case with the ' Nusehris ' . They also creep unnoticed though they make up a large population with in the Shias. Here is a blend of Nusehri Shia beliefs from Aqil Raza Zaidi , a famous shia speaker.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tTNrkHJZUc

[EmGee909]

Shiasm which is more of a conspiracy theory than a religion having sound grounds , has another dilemma with in its circle as well. The ' Akhabri' shias , who due to lack of media appearances , go unnoticed most of the time , though its the oldest school with in shiasm. The Akhbaris are in short the ' Ghair muqalids' of shiasm who rejected Taqleed , Qayas and Ijmaa. They harshly rebut the Usooli shias and castigate their ' Marja e taqleed'. They try to stick to the scriptures instead of taking the opinion of the Marjaa. Here is what theyt believe. http://akhbari.org/

Their website is a fun to go through but it highlights the basic flaws in the shiasm. This reveals the amount of contradiction one faces when he tries to stick to the poorly evolved , insane , rudimentary shia texts , which the Usoolis normally hide.

They refer to themselves as 'rafzis' i.e 'rafidhis' i.e 'rejectors'. lol. says it all doesnt it?

[dr.ati]

Ghazanfar Abbas Tonsvi , the un-official spokesman of Nusehri Shias , has some weird and insane belief through which he cashes the ignorance of the Shias of Southern Punjab. Here he says that one should not say that Ali is God as labeling him as God will make him limited.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB4NRBfu6PY&feature=related

[dr.ati]

Most of you might be unaware of Shaykh Purdil HIfzahullah , who is holding the flag of Ahli Sunnah in the doomed Iran despite the numerous threats. In this video , he is explaining the ' event of door'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5hszdh4oZc&feature=related

[TripolySunni]

Shiasm which is more of a conspiracy theory than a religion having sound grounds , has another dilemma with in its circle as well. The ' Akhabri' shias , who due to lack of media appearances , go unnoticed most of the time , though its the oldest school with in shiasm. The Akhbaris are in short the ' Ghair muqalids' of shiasm who rejected Taqleed , Qayas and Ijmaa. They harshly rebut the Usooli shias and castigate their ' Marja e taqleed'. They try to stick to the scriptures instead of taking the opinion of the Marjaa. Here is what theyt believe. http://akhbari.org/

Their website is a fun to go through but it highlights the basic flaws in the shiasm. This reveals the amount of contradiction one faces when he tries to stick to the poorly evolved , insane , rudimentary shia texts , which the Usoolis normally hide.

ٍالسلام عليكم

THEY HAVE AN ARTICLE IN WHICH THEY CLAIM THE QURAN IS CORRUPTED ON THAT WEBSITE!!!



@wellwisher,

your article seems ok... Jazakallahu Khayra

[dr.ati]

ٍالسلام عليكم

THEY HAVE AN ARTICLE IN WHICH THEY CLAIM THE QURAN IS CORRUPTED ON THAT WEBSITE!!!





The Akbaris claim that the hadiths about Tehreef are Mutawatir so they don't deny it. Instead they openly claim Tehreef in Quran unlike the hypocrite Usulis.

[TripolySunni]

The Houses of Allah are honoured by the spit of the Imams.

Shia scholar Muhammad Taqi al-Majlisi writes:


روى الكليني في الصحيح عن علي بن مهزيار قال :
رأيت أبي جعفر الثاني ( ع ) يتفل في المسجد الحرام
فيما بين الركن اليماني والحجر الأسود ولم يدفنه , ورواه الشيخ
عن محمد بن علي بن مهزيار أيضاً . الظاهر أنه لبيان الجواز
( أو يقال ) إنه من خصائصهم ( ع )
لأنه ليس في بصاقهم خباثة بل يتشرف المسجد به .

روضة المتقين في شرح من لا يحضره الفقيه للصدوق
للمؤلف : محمد تقي المجلسي
[ الجزء الثاني : صفحة 203 ]

Sheikh al-Kulayni narrated in the Sahih hadith from 'Ali bin Mehzayar: "I saw Imam Abu Ja'afar the second (as) spitting in al-Masjid al-Haram between al-Rukn al-Yamani and the black stone and he did not bury it." also narrated by the Sheikh from Muhammad ibn 'Ali bin Mehzayar as well.
It is apparent that this is something special only for the Imams PBUT as their spit is pure and even the Masjid would be honoured by it.

source: Rawdat al-Muttaqeen fi Sharh man La Yahduruhu al-Faqih by al-Saduq 2/203.

And the "Smart" Shia scholars they never read this verse in the Quran before attributing such disgusting things to Ahlul-Bayt:

and purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those who stand [in prayer] and those who bow and prostrate. [22:26]

[EmGee909]

Most of you might be unaware of Shaykh Purdil HIfzahullah , who is holding the flag of Ahli Sunnah in the doomed Iran despite the numerous threats. In this video , he is explaining the ' event of door'


Mashallah, those sunni brothers in iran are actually heroes. May Allah protect them and let them spread throughout the land of the rafidhis. They are so brave and Allah will reward them for that in the hereafter inshallah..

And on the story of the door, wallah its so funny that they can insult Ali (RA) in that way, that he cant even defend his wife, the daughter (RA) of the Prophet (PBUH).

[TripolySunni]

Some more hadiths from Ahlul-Bayt:


في (الطبقات الكبرى) لابن سعد: حدثنا محمد بن عاصم حدثنا شبابة بن سوار عن الفضيل بن مرزوق قال: سألت عمر بن علي وحسين بن علي عمي جعفر قلت: هل فيكم أهل البيت إنسان مفترضة طاعته تعرفون له ذلك ومن لم يعرف له ذلك فمات مات ميتة جاهلية؟ فقالا: لا والله ما هذا فينا. من قال هذا فينا فهو كذاب. قال فقلت لعمر بن علي: رحمك الله، إن هذه منزلة تزعمون أنها كانت لعلي إن النبي (صلى الله عليه وسلم) أوصى إليه. ثم كانت للحسن إن عليا أوصى إليه. ثم كانت للحسين إن الحسن أوصى إليه. ثم كانت لعلي بن الحسين إن الحسين أوصى إليه، ثم كانت لمحمد بن علي إن عليا أوصى إليه. فقال: والله لمات أبي فما أوصى بحرفين. قاتلهم الله! والله إن هؤلاء إلا متأكلون بنا، هذا خنيس الخرؤ ما خنيس الخرؤ؟ قال قلت: المعلى بن خنيس، قال: نعم المعلى بن خنيس، والله لفكرت على فراشي طويلا أتعجب من قوم لبس الله عقولهم حين أضلهم المعلى بن خنيس. (الطّبقات الكبرى: 05/324)

(ibn Sa'ad) said in "al-Tabaqat al-Kubra 5/324": Muhammad ibn 'Asim from Shubabah bin Siwar from al-Fudayl ibn Marzuq; he said: I asked 'Umar bin 'Ali and Husayn bin 'Ali the Uncles of Ja'far; I said, "Is there among you, Ahl al-Bayt, a person whose obedience (ie obedience to him) is obligatory and that whoever doesn't recognize him dies the death of Jahiliyya(pre-Islamic times)?"
Both of them said: "No, by Allah! This is not from us! Whoever says that about us is a liar."
I said to 'Umar bin 'Ali: "May Allah have Mercy on you. [It is said] that you claim that the Prophet (pbuh) appointed Ali as his successor, and then Ali appointed al-Hasan to be his successor, then al-Hasan appointed al-Husayn to be his successor, then al-Husyan appointed Ali bin al-Husyan as his successor then Ali appointed Muhammad bin Ali as his successor." So he said, "By Allah, my father died without uttering two letters with regards to succession. May Allah destroy them! By Allah, surely these people are nothing but a burden on us. This is (from) Khunays al-Kharu'?, was it Khunays al-Kharu'?" I said, "He is al-Mu'alla ibn Khunays." He said, "Yes, al-Mu'alla bin Khunays, by Allah, I thought long in my bed wondering about people whom God had given knowledge as they were being lead astray by this al-Mu'alla bin Khunays."

Grading: Isnad Sahih.

And this man called al-Mu'allah ibn Khunays who was attributing these lies to Ahlul-Bayt was also mentioned in the Shia books of Rijal:

قال النجاشي : (( معلى بن خنيس : مولى ( الصادق ، ومن قبله كان مولى بني أسد ، كوفي بزاز ، ضعيف جداً لا يعول عليه ، له كتاب يرويه جماعة ( رجال النجاشي : ص 358 )

Shia scholar al-Najashi said: Mu'allah ibn Khunays: The servant of Imam al-Sadiq and before that he was a mawla from bani Asad, he is from Kufah, he is very weak in narrating Hadith and is not relied upon, he has a book. [Rijal al-Najashi p358]



حدثنا محمد بن عاصم حدثنا شبابة حدثنا الفضيل بن مرزوق قال سمعت الحسن بن الحسن أخا عبد الله بن الحسن وهو يقول لرجل ممن يغلو فيهم ويحكم أحبونا لله فإن اطعنا الله فأحبونا وان عصينا الله بابغضونا فإن قال فقال له رجل إنكم ذو قرابة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم واهل بيته فقال ويحكم لو كان الله عز وجل نافعا بقرابة من رسوله بغير عمل بطاعته لنفع بذلك من هو أقرب إليه منا أباه وامه والله إني لاخاف أن يضاعف للعاصي منا العذاب ضعفين والله إني لارجو أن يوتى المحسن منا أجره مرتين قال ثم قال لقد أساء بنا آباؤنا وامهاتنا إن كان آباؤنا ما تقولون في دين الله ثم لم يخبرونا به ولم يطلعونا عليه ولم يرغبونا فيه فنحن والله كنا اقرب منهم قرابة منكم وأوجب عليهم حقا وأحق بأن يرغبونا فيه منكم ولو كان الأمر كما تقولون ان الله ورسوله اختارا عليا لهذا الامر والقيام على الناس بعد إن كان عليا لأعظم الناس في ذلك خطيئة وجرما إذ ترك امر رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أن يقوم فيه كما امره أو يعذر فيه الى الناس قال فقال له الرافضي ألم يقل رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لعلي من كنت مولاه فعلي مولاه قال أما والله أن لو يعني رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بذلك الإمرة والسلطان والقيام على الناس لافصح عمر لهم بذلك كما افصح لهم بالصلاة والزكاة وصيام رمضان وحج البيت ولقال لهم أيها الناس إن هذا ولي امركم من بعدي فاسمعوا له واطيعوا فما كان من وراء هذا شيئا فإن أنصح الناس كان للمسلمين رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم


Ibn Katheer in al-Bidayah wal Nihayah 9/178 and al-Haythami in al-Sawa'eq al-Muhriqa p346:
Muhammad ibn 'Asim from Shubabah from al-Fudayl ibn Marzuq; he said: I heard al-Hassan ibn al-Hassan the brother of 'Abdullah bin al-Hassan saying to a Man who was making Ghulu in Ahlul-Bayt(means raising them above their level): "Beware! you should love us for Allah so if we obey him then love us and if we disobey him then hate us." The Man said: "But you are a close relative of the Prophet PBUH and from his Ahlul-bayt." al-Hassan replied:"Cease! If Allah wanted to benefit the relatives of the Prophet SAWS without them being pious and obedient to him then he would have benefited his mother and his father those who were even closer to him than us, by Allah I fear that the punishment for us will be doubled and I hope that Allah will double the reward of the pious amongst us." al-Hassan continued telling that extremist: "If what you say is a part of the religion of Allah then it is our fathers and mothers who have wronged us by not telling us about this matter because it is our right to know this since we are closer to them -Ali and his children- than you, and if it was as you say that Allah and his Prophet SAWS chose 'Ali for this affair and this responsibility then the one who is most sinful amongst us would be 'Ali since he abandoned the order of the Prophet SAWS." Thus the Rafidhi said to him: "Didn't the Prophet SAWS tell 'Ali: Man Kuntu Mawlah fa 'Aliyun Mawlah?" al-Hassan replied: "By Allah if the Prophet SAWS had meant the emirate and the leadership of the people then 'Umar would have stated it just like he told th