Designer wear/Nike

[Strive4Allah]

Whats so wrong about wearing nike? People over here seem to act weird if we wear anything Nike or even with the nike sign on it.And wearing designer wear,is it counted as imitating the kuffar?
I dont think so...But many people over here say it.I mean there was a newspaper we used to order,an islamic newspaper and it said wearing designer is tashabbuh bil kuffar. Confused.

[Sabaah]

:salam:

what an interesting topic.

does anyone know what the opinion of scholars is on this....?

i've been to many lectures where the speaker is defaming the habit of muslims who wear designer labels.....so would that make my Guess purse wrong then? or my buffalo/mavi jeans wrong as well?

I think every individual has some form of culture in his or her life and that culture is a product of their sorroundings and environment. if the person is dressed with haya, does it really matter if their shoes have a nike symbol? if their intention was to buy decent, hayaful clothes?

but then again, a lot of brand name clothes are expensive. so would then be a form of frivolity to buy them...? and a lot of brand names, such as Nike, use sweat shops, which are immoral and have deplorable conditons, to manufacture their items. do we, as Muslims, want to support that?

food for thought i guess.

[Strive4Allah]

I dont knwo wallahu aalam but there is this brother right and I was walking through the street n i had my jacket with adidas written on it and he screamed in my face ''Haraam''
And then once my bhai had some at like reebok on and he got a warning that next time you'll get chucked outa class and words like ''haraam''.
U know some times under the socks it says Umbro or nike or whatever,ppl say its not good to wear socks with writing on them because one part of knowledge that we gain is through text and its like be 'adbi.Allahu aalam.
But the main thing I wanted to know was about nike coz we get these type of comments thrown at us if we wear nike ''shirk'' kufr e.t.c

[Strive4Allah]

I dont think it would be wasting i know designer is xpensive but the place where we live its so hard to get good quality plain things.If you want good quality its with writing.
And yes I dont find anything wrong in wearing designer wear if dressed hayafully.
I think it was mufti rasheed ludhyanvi rahimahullah (correct me if am wrong) he said its not permissible to wear nike.Am not meant to be saying this coz am not too sure.

[Strive4Allah]

Support what?
I mean wearing a coca cola T-shirt is called supporting the jews. Because coca cola is a jewish product.As well as pepsi
Pay Every Penny Save Israel.
Thats what ppl say it stands for.
Lol I think this sounds better
Pay Every Penny Save Islam.
P E P S I
Went of topic sos

[Sabaah]

Support what?
I mean wearing a coca cola T-shirt is called supporting the jews. Because coca cola is a jewish product.As well as pepsi
Pay Every Penny Save Israel.
Thats what ppl say it stands for.
Lol I think this sounds better
Pay Every Penny Save Islam.
P E P S I
Went of topic sos

:salam:

ummm, i think that's a fallacy, lol, but i do know for sure Coke does support jews.

and i dont know whether or not wearing designer clothes is allowed. i, myself, am currently coveting a louis vuitton purse :P

point is, i think we should ask ourselves why we do so, and if it is really necessary...? like they have some hype clothing stores here (Jacob for any canadians here :P ) which sell non-brand name clothes that are still good quality but dont necessarily have a big label on them.

[Strive4Allah]

Whatsa fallacy?
Yep we should ask ourselves.
But nike question still needs to be answered

[Sabaah]

Whatsa fallacy?
Yep we should ask ourselves.
But nike question still needs to be answered

a fallacy is a false notion. something that is not necessarily true.

:)

[Abu Usama]

Salam,

some have said that you cannot wear Nike because the name comes from a greek god or something.

[Shaykhs-Pir Sahib]

as salamu alaykum

i heard the nike symbol is a paganistic symbol - Allahu a'lam...

one thing for sure though, while i have never heard it to be haram, i would say as Muslims we shouldn't get immersed in capitalism and such companies are the height of capitalism....

[Sabaah]

Salam,

some have said that you cannot wear Nike because the name comes from a greek god or something.

:salam:

in a business class i had to take in high school, we learned about the origin of names of different cars and how some have similar meanings b/c it helps with marketing or something weird like that. so would that mean we cant drive them? im just curious.

also, what about those abayas you find in saudi and here even that have Calvin Klein and Christian Dior all over them? :p now i think das just plain silly, but i've seen srs wears those.

[Strive4Allah]

Sis sabah i know what it means i want to know what is fallacy? what thing? is it the pepsi thing?
Yes I have heard that too about the god thing but then lets take a look at our urf.We dont or no body takes it as that.I dont even think they made it over the name of that false god wallahu aalam.
And yep i do agree we shouldnt be wearing nike but I want to know if it is shirk and haraam.

[Strive4Allah]

Hmm good point.
But I want to know is nike shirk coz i dont know but someone said something like if you do wrong way round bktrk then its shirk words or whatever

[Abu Usama]

in a business class i had to take in high school, we learned about the origin of names of different cars and how some have similar meanings b/c it helps with marketing or something weird like that. so would that mean we cant drive them? im just curious.

Everything is permissable unless there is definative proof which shows otherwise. I am unaware of any fatawa which would go to this extent.

In regards to the nike products, the mufti desai fatwa says its totally haram to wear it, although Allahu Alam, but i doubt most people who wear it know about its origins. And Mufti Desai does have a tendancy to take the strictest position, such as in the instance where he says its forbidden to have the trousers below the ankles. Here are the nike fatwas:

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=11130
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=11700

[Sabaah]

Sis sabah i know what it means i want to know what is fallacy? what thing? is it the pepsi thing?
Yes I have heard that too about the god thing but then lets take a look at our urf.We dont or no body takes it as that.I dont even think they made it over the name of that false god wallahu aalam.
And yep i do agree we shouldnt be wearing nike but I want to know if it is shirk and haraam.

:salam:

i meant pepsi being an acronym for 'pay every penny save isreal' was probably a fallacy.


Here are the nike fatwas:

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=11130
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=11700

:jazak:

i've nevered heard that it was haram to wear nike before, just that it was perferrable that brand names were not worn. but either way, i think big names look kinda tacky on clothes anyhow :p

[Strive4Allah]

Ah trousers below the ankles.Thanks2him.
And ok if nike is haram whats the reason.
It feels so bad when you are shouted words like kufr shirk haram.Everytime I ask someone why its haram they dont have an answer but then how can they say its haram?
I cant remeber which mufti it was that gave a fatwa that it is haram.
I just want to know if it is really haram and proof.

[Strive4Allah]

Get ya sis.
Ppl over here are always banging bout it being haram.Amazing you havent heard it.

[Sabaah]

Get ya sis.
Ppl over here are always banging bout it being haram.Amazing you havent heard it.

:salam:

well, reason being, that to say something is haram are very strong words that should be backed with much proof. thus, i've never heard from any scholars here it was HARAM to wear Nike and that the person who would would be sinning by doing so. just that people should avoid dressing in such a manner. like I remember Shaykh Hamzah saying that once at a program, but Allahu Alim.

[Mossy]

Difference of opinion. Some say tis permissable to wear, some say it isn't. All I know is that they make the best football boots..

[Strive4Allah]

I mean I dont know where the juhhal get it from.
Nah sis I dont wear Nike coz am not sure about it.
And sis PMing isnt allowed so can I please say something if you wont take it bad its got to do with your signature

[Strive4Allah]

Are you sure its difference of opinion? They do make the best sneakz

[Strive4Allah]

Is there anybdy who can name someone who says its JAIZ!

[Sabaah]

Difference of opinion. Some say tis permissable to wear, some say it isn't. All I know is that they make the best football boots..


Are you sure its difference of opinion? They do make the best sneakz

i dunno man, adidas ruuuuuuuuuule :)




what wrong with my sig?

[Strive4Allah]

Heyaa sabah sis. Adidas rulez. Well am banned from wearing nike coz we not sure about it and sis if you dont take it badly thenill tell you abt your signature

[Sabaah]

Heyaa sabah sis. Adidas rulez. Well am banned from wearing nike coz we not sure about it and sis if you dont take it badly thenill tell you abt your signature

lol, ya i dont care :) whats wrong wit it?

[Strive4Allah]

U know u've written Allahu alim. shouldnt we use Alam for Allah coz alim means knower and alam means the all knowing.Wallahu aalam. sis am so sorry if you felt bad.

[Sabaah]

U know u've written Allahu alim. shouldnt we use Alam for Allah coz alim means knower and alam means the all knowing.Wallahu aalam. sis am so sorry if you felt bad.

:salam:

lol, i dont feel bad, because it's just a matter of spelling, when pronounced, i mean/say the same thing. that Allah (swt) knows all :) ....but that's how i've seen it spelled before :confused:

[Strive4Allah]

Not a prob at all sis.

[Strive4Allah]

Is it tashabbuh bil kuffar?

[Abu Usama]

If you wear it out of the desire and intention to imitate the kuffar, then it is imitating the kuffar. If you wear it because you like it, or its comfortable etc, then its not. Same with other items of clothing, such as jeans, and also with other stuff such as using knives and forks whilst eating.

[Strive4Allah]

Isit?
Jazakallah

[Mossy]

Well, there are a couple of takes on the whole imitation dooda.

One indicates those aspects to do with worship specific to the disbelievers should not be imitated. Another indicates it's any aspect which is unique to them - this then however raises the question as to why we have been divided into tribes - if we take things as "Islamic" which are effectively 6th century Arabian, then this becomes a somewhat moot point..

And this makes no sense, back to work..

[Strive4Allah]

I wouldnt call it tashabbuh and what doesnt make sense?

[Strive4Allah]

Rite I get it now.

[Strive4Allah]

Gosh It gets so anoyying.
The point I am tryna make here is that these kuffar who make Nike they didnt take the ame over the greek god.
Well there was a nike god in India too.
Just what exactly is kufr and shirk about it?

[Abu Usama]

ok forget that point for a moment and think about the fact that Nike have been known to exploit the third-world and have used child-labour as well in thier manufacturing process. They are one of those multinational companies which have no morals and no ethics at all when it comes to making money and exploiting the poor. And on top of that, they're an American company. So all things considered, it would be best to avoid purchasing nike products.

[Strive4Allah]

No thats not the argument. I do not use Nike myself. But the argument is about it being haram. A valid reason.People say its haram its haram but when asked the reason they have no answer. I do not hink the god thing reason is a valid reason wallah aalam

True what you said.

[Strive4Allah]

If some one asked me reg Nike I would say its not good to wear but where do ppl bring this haram from.Also whats wrong with adidas? and other designer wear. Why do I hear ppl saying Haraam and tashabbuh bil kuffar.

[dhakiyya]

Support what?
I mean wearing a coca cola T-shirt is called supporting the jews. Because coca cola is a jewish product.As well as pepsi
Pay Every Penny Save Israel.
Thats what ppl say it stands for.
Lol I think this sounds better
Pay Every Penny Save Islam.
P E P S I
Went of topic sos


Coca cola is listed here www.inminds.co.uk - look in the "boycott Israel" section, then click on coca cola. Also a number of other designer labels are Israeli and/or from companies that support Israel.

As to products like Nike, my main objection is that they are big players* in the kaafir economic system which is usury based, and companies like nike are notorious for employing six year old indonesian kiddies for slave wages in dangerous conditions for long hours.

*small companies don't participate in usury as much as big companies, who are all on the stock market, they also don't exploit the environment or their workforce to the same extent on average, though for more detailed information on companies see www.ethicalconsumer.org - you can do a search on any company and see what kinds of corruption they get up to.

[dhakiyya]

As to designer wear in general.... if its from a company that doesn't do anything haram, well I think that's a different issue, but if you are wearing them to show off how wealthy you are, isn't that some kind of arrogance?

[Strive4Allah]

Like what do youmean wealthy?
I mean these days rich middle class and poor wear it.
The only think I am banging about is the haraam kufr and shirk thing.
I know its not good to wear Nike but about trhe haraam thing

[ilm_seeker]

As sallamu alaikum

Yes the Nike brand is named after an ancient Greek idol and the Swoosh symbol represents it's wing. If you go on the official Nike website and in the history section u'll find it there Insha'Allah. Thats where I read it.

Wa alaikum as sallam

[Strive4Allah]

What?
Can u give me a link plz.
So thats means the muftis I have asked about it dont have that much tahqeeq?
Are you sure its true.

[Mossy]

Uhh.. Well the inspiration may have come from that, but that doesn't mean that that is what it's intended to convey, ie a tribute to the greek "goddess" Nike. Lots of things in language and branding have odd inspiration - but in the end what they're meant to represent is a product placement, ie the brand, which is first and foremost.

Hence you can look at it an a number of different ways and you get the difference of opinion dependent on this - it is not something can be readily verified as there quite simply isn't a yes/no answer. Which, as far as I can see, means you can't really say tis haram..

[Strive4Allah]

Agree with you.

[Strive4Allah]

Those who say its haram whats the reason?Is it becoz of the GG thing?

[Strive4Allah]

By the way GG menas greeky god
Am of now n am not saying greeky as in you know what do you call greekers/greekens/greeks/greeky/ whatevr
Am of now hope I get the answer by tomorrow inshallah
WA'LAMU MAA ANA BI NIKING.Abadan insahlalh

[hanbali]

Is there anybdy who can name someone who says its JAIZ!

I asked my bro , he referred me hanafi/deobandi mufti nawalur rahman of chicago (masjid nur) , gave following fatwa (he also disagreed with mufti desai (askimam.com) on it)...

http://www.shariahboard.com/fatwa/Clothing/1157.php (urdu only)

:salam:

[eTeacher]

That link contains a very good answer on why it's ok to wear Nike. Otherwise I'll have to throw my shoes and my jacket away :lol:

[ze leetle elper]

The relentless rise of transnational corporations (TNC's) lie at the core of globalisation.

Brand names such as Nike and Coca-Cola are now becoming some of the most widely recognised images around. Over the last 10 years, capitalism has spread rapidly across the world.

Corporations such as Nike, Coca-Cola and Gap are open for business across the Third World, however their products are often produced in disgusting sweatshops where the workers, including children, work very long hours, under poor conditions, and at a very low wage.

Nike continues to treat its labour problems as a matter of public relations. Nike's factory wages are still the lowest amongst foreign owned factories. Many studies have confirmed that Nike do not pay its workers enough to live on. Nike's factories continue to abuse its workers rights and violate their labour rights.

Numerous reports, conducted by NGO's focus on the disgusting conditions the workers are forced to work under, and the poor treatment they suffer.

For every 1 factory worker, there are 15 outworkers. The majority of outworkers are from non-English speaking backgrounds and are forced to work out of their homes. They are often paid as little as $2 per hour, equivalent to £1.27p, and usually work up to 78 hours a week. Workers are often unaware of their rights, conditions or even who their employer is.

Often they have nothing more than a load of material dumped on their doorstep, with the order to complete the work by a certain day. Outworkers are forced to stay up all night to finish the job, as deadlines are usually changed to an earlier date, therefore if the goods are not ready, the workers are not paid.

Nike has around 700 factories, within which 20% of the workers are creating Nike products. Conditions for these workers and campaigns of harassment and abuse have been criticized in the public eye. In Indonesia, the following was reported:

Over 50% of the workers had personally experienced or observed verbal abuse.

An average of 8% of workers reported unwelcome sexual comments,

And fewer than 4% reported being physically abused.

The main concern voiced by the majority of workers was in regards to their physical environment.

Nike claims they do not use outworkers, therefore continue to refuse to sign the Homeworkers Code of Practise, which guarantees basic minimum wages, as well as improved working conditions.

Nike is a leader of a global system of exploitation. They are the industry leaders and their mode of manufacture has been to keep moving to countries where workers have least rights, where unions are outlawed and where governments and military will often participate to keep workers under control.

Child Labour

Nike has also been accused of child labour in the production of its footballs in Pakistan. Pakistan has active laws against child labour and slavery, yet the government has taken very little action towards Nike child based industries. The US constitution itself, considers child labour as an illegal and inhumane practise.

Children as young as 4 or 5 years old, are involved in the child labour process. This problem is not just limited to Pakistan, but also applies to the majority of the Eastern countries, including India, Bangladesh, Indonesia and Vietnam.

Has Nike made any improvements?

The changes Nike have made, at factory level, have been mainly in the area of Health and Safety, often turning a blind eye to the issue of wages, union rights and independent monitoring.
However, unfortunately, even in the area of health and safety Nike is not willing to allow monitoring by independent experts. Nike needs to allow independent health and safety inspections of their factories and publicly report their findings. Until they are willing to do so, consumers cannot be certain that Nike goods are made in appropriate conditions.

What do Nike say?

Nike claims that their employees do not suffer inadequate working conditions. In regards to the child labour, Nike now operate stitching centres where the non-use of child labour can be verified. Furthermore Nike attempts to conceal details of their factories, claiming that the information would be used by NGO's in order to fuel further attacks. In terms of wage rates for their workers, Nike emphasizes the constant comparison of US dollar equivalent. The establishing of a fair wage is a difficult process and the equivalents are meaningless in regards to the difference cost of living in the countries concerned.

Nike find it appalling how they have become the main focus in the area of worker exploitation, they request the public to examine their competitors and to acknowledge if any measures have been taken by the companies, over the last few years to improve working standards.


It is evident that Nike are well aware of all the scrutiny they are receiving. Yet they do not seem concerned enough to make rapid improvements in their foreign-based factories. Investment in infrastructure is necessary for economic growth. Nike see themselves as contributing to the development of these countries, and suggest that their input will help countries build an industrial economy, which will raise the standard of living.

It is difficult to believe Nike maintain such employment practises, why must they exploit workers, including children, to make a profit?
Simply because they can exploit Third World countries, it does not necessarily mean they should.
Hundreds of children in Third World countries work for multi-billion dollar companies, such as Nike. There are always two sides to the argument and here it seems the only positive thing about companies such as Nike, is that they receive billions in revenue, because of their labour exploitation.

Nike claims to spread value and practises of market capitalism. In some cases they are doing so, yet the method they employ is evidently inappropriate.

:(

[dhakiyya]

Good article Zee :up: I will continue to not wear Nike or stuff from other companies that exploit workers.

You can get trainers and other sportswear that are not produced in sweatshops from these websites. They are no more expensive than Nike (they are in fact probably cheaper) because the money that companies like Nike save by exploiting child workers goes straight into their pocket, not into saving anyone else money.
www.nosweatapparel.com
www.gossypium.co.uk
www.ethicalthreads.co.uk
www.peopletree.co.uk
and www.adbusters.org are planning on selling "sweatshop free" trainers in the near future

[Mossy]

Hmm.. Here's something I've never got.

So we boycott the companies who employ these workers. The companies say, ok, we'll cut back on those factories as we have declining profits.

Factories shut down, workers lose only source of income (note: it isn't slave labour). Workers get sick, malnourished, die etc

That strikes me as sucky.

[Muawiyah]

sure Nike was the name of the greek goddess of victory, but it's not clear whether the nike company logo has anything to do with the greek goddess. This article (http://www.usaweekend.com/04_issues/040328/040328fashionlogos.html) says that the logo is: "a sort of astral boomerang meant to denote speed and fluidity". This wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike%2C_Inc.), on the other hand claims that the logo: "represents the wing of the Greek Goddess."

[dhakiyya]

Hmm.. Here's something I've never got.

So we boycott the companies who employ these workers. The companies say, ok, we'll cut back on those factories as we have declining profits.

Factories shut down, workers lose only source of income (note: it isn't slave labour). Workers get sick, malnourished, die etc

That strikes me as sucky.

Yeah, cause you have swallowed their propaganda. these people were quite capable of making a living for themselves before their lands were taken by capitalists and they were forced to live in slums and work in factories... if the factories go away, maybe they'll have a much better chance of starting small businesses, farms etc and developing a local economy that is not dependent on American money. If you want to actively help this process, go for fairly traded goods, or goods from workers co-operatives and stuff like that. I make dua that one day there will be no need to label goods as "fairly traded" because the law (preferably Islamic law!) prevents people from exploiting others in the first place, and people won't depend on goods sold in the west as "fair trade"

If these companies are forced to pay their workers a decent wage, they will pay their workers a decent wage. They won't cut back on production, or they'll get even less profits, because they won't have anything to sell at all. Go look at what percentage of the profits the companies keep, and what percentage of the price you pay for your trainers go to the workers. By forcing them to pay people decent wages, you are making the company bosses take a smaller percentage of the profits. That is all.

[Mossy]

Hmm.. I don't quite agree with you sr. We won't get anywhere talking in generalisations in this case however - pick a company and it's sweat shop workers and we'll look at that for a start.

Propoganda works both ways ;)

[Sabaah]

Hmm.. Here's something I've never got.

So we boycott the companies who employ these workers. The companies say, ok, we'll cut back on those factories as we have declining profits.

Factories shut down, workers lose only source of income (note: it isn't slave labour). Workers get sick, malnourished, die etc

That strikes me as sucky.

:salam:

u actually pointed something out that we were discussing in my english class last week... :)

take slavery for example, when it was abolished in North America way back when, institutionally, things were better for blacks in North America. They were free men and no longer were dependant upon slave labour, nor were they forced into such a lifestyle. But then again, when this occurred, slaves were dispersed, and they lost their homes, food and close friends and were completely unemployed and could find no jobs because of the stigma still associated with blacks at the time....so while institutionally things can change quite quickly, socially it takes quite a while.

so sweat shops for example, yes if they were all shut down, these people would lose their jobs and would not longer be making ANY money....but that would be a preventative measure, so that in the future no one else would have to go through what these people went through and would find decent jobs, or at least try to. it's all about changing your style of thinking. if someone is born into working in sweat shops, then of course they will think of nothing else for themselves. but the matter of the fact is, that when you give them the alternative of not having to live so and work in such deplorable conditions, while it will take a while for people to become accustomed to the idea, it's what's best for them of course. because sweat shops are horrible, immoral and should all be shut down.

i dunno if that makes any sense :confused:

[dhakiyya]

Yes, sis, it does make sense

[dhakiyya]

Hmm.. I don't quite agree with you sr. We won't get anywhere talking in generalisations in this case however - pick a company and it's sweat shop workers and we'll look at that for a start.

Propoganda works both ways ;)

I thought we were talking about Nike?

There are people who are actively trying to help rehabilitate entire communities that have been utterly s'd over by capitalism, whether through plantations, sweatshops, destruction of forests, whatever. I'll continue to support those projects by buying fair trade goods whenever I can. And these projects do work, and the skills people learn from them are passed on to others, and the end result is people who are not dependent of foreign money.

Supporting companies that exploit people, and prevent them from being independent and self sufficient does not help them. Fine, there may be a breif period where people are lost, but this is the fault of the people who exploited them, NOT of the people who stood up and refused to allow them to exploit people. Not all exploited people end up on the scrap heap when given an alternative to exploitation, and the more people that actively help them to become independent, then the less that will.

So whatever way you look at it, you should support companies and projects that are socially and environmentally responsible, and boycott those who are exploitative. "Enjoin what is good and forbid what is evil"

[Strive4Allah]

Yep agree with B muawiyah.
Also I dont want to throw my ankle socks away...Because theres alot of trouble caused over here when some one sees another wearing nike i think it would be best to avoid it. But yeah just got an aalim answeringmy question it isnt haram.

[Strive4Allah]

That link contains a very good answer on why it's ok to wear Nike. Otherwise I'll have to throw my shoes and my jacket away :lol:

Same ere.

[Strive4Allah]

I want to start one about england=cross,has it been discussed be4

[ze leetle elper]

Yeah, cause you have swallowed their propaganda. these people were quite capable of making a living for themselves before their lands were taken by capitalists and they were forced to live in slums and work in factories... if the factories go away, maybe they'll have a much better chance of starting small businesses, farms etc and developing a local economy that is not dependent on American money.

I couldn't agree more. The article I posted was an small excerpt from a 4 month project into Nike and its production line. Some of the things I read and saw were totally unacceptable.

Justify it as you may, but getting out of these countries and giving the people a chance to earn their own livelihood through their means (land) would be the best remedy in the long run.

Superpowers work as such; so called *third world* countries/ governments are blinded by the money waved at them and grab at it with both hands. This leads to the country owing an incredibly large debt, which continues building up year after year. Interest is added, and soon enough the country cannot afford to pay it back, and thus the former controls and manipulates the poorer countries to their advantage. (simplified version lol :cheesygri )

The only RIGHT way is out. Out of those countries and forgive their debts.

[dhakiyya]

Same ere.

You don't have to throw good clothes away, just don't buy from those companies in the future. In fact throwing stuff away when its still good to use is a waste of the earth's resources. Similarly, I don't think there's a problem with buying second hand Nike stuff, e.g. from a charity shop, because the charity shop gets the money, not Nike. Though personally I would alter the garment to get rid of the nike logo, if I was in that situation, so that I was not advertising for that company. That's just me though :)

With regards the greek goddess thing... I'm not sure I agree with something being haram on those grounds unless you wear it with the intention of worshipping pagan gods. Loads of things, places, even the names of days of the week are named after pagan gods. Wednesday comes from Woden's day (brit version of Odin) - but calling it wednesday does not mean you are worshipping Woden. And expecting people to refrain from using the normal names of weekdays, which are just names to 99.9% of the british population, is too much IMO (though I sometimes wonder if the Arabic names of the week are just numbers to avoid calling them after pagan gods. What were the days of the week called in Arabic before Islam?)

[dhakiyya]

I couldn't agree more. The article I posted was an small excerpt from a 4 month project into Nike and its production line. Some of the things I read and saw were totally unacceptable.

Justify it as you may, but getting out of these countries and giving the people a chance to earn their own livelihood through their means (land) would be the best remedy in the long run.

Superpowers work as such; so called *third world* countries/ governments are blinded by the money waved at them and grab at it with both hands. This leads to the country owing an incredibly large debt, which continues building up year after year. Interest is added, and soon enough the country cannot afford to pay it back, and thus the former controls and manipulates the poorer countries to their advantage. (simplified version lol :cheesygri )

The only RIGHT way is out. Out of those countries and forgive their debts.

Very well said. In fact the third world debt thing just illustrates how evil and destructive and grossly unfair usury is, and why Allah forbids usury so explicitly. A large number of the problems with the western economy, in particular why it needs to constantly plunder resources whilst turning out cheap goods of limited real worth or use, is because the economy is based on usury, and such an economy is unstable by its very nature.

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Yes sis jazakallah for the advice...I dont ever buy nike..Its like when we buy socks..mixed..and the middle pair u can hardly see it..and then when you open the pack at home you see nike...Yep its a waste to chuuck it away..but with my nike i was told to go over it in thick black thread so the nike couldnt be seen wallahu aalam jazakallah anyway