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faqir
18-05-2005, 06:02 PM
Looks like they think the majority of Muslims are mushriks / kafirs or something else........?!?!




The 10 Types of People in the Muslim Ummah



The ‘Aqeedah is what you must believe in decisively and have no doubt about, with knowledge, awareness and sincerity. You cannot understand Tawheed without to understand what is kufr and what is shirk. Likewise, in order to know what is right you must know what is wrong. They are prerequisite to each other and cannot be separated.



It is reported in As-Sunnan ad-Daarimeen in the chapter ‘Umar bin al-Khattab:

‘The knot of Islaam will un-tie one after one if anybody grows up to be Muslims without to know what is jaahiliyyah.’


This is why the non-Muslims who reverts back Islaam usually appreciates the deen more as he knows the jaahiliyyah. The one who doesn’t know what shirk is and what the Qur’an condemns and exposes, he will fall down deep into it.


The majority of those who believe in Allah are in fact Mushrik as Allah says in the Qur’aan that the ‘believers’ will not know that they are Mushrik (12: 106). The messenger Muhammad (saw) also said: ‘the shirk of my Ummah will spread the way the ants spread in any place.’


Ibn Qayyim, a student of Ibn Taymiyyah said in his book Zaad ul ma’aad, kitaab ul eemaan: The shirk will continue to spread until in covers those who are far away and those who are near but the ghurabaa’ (the strangers who are promised paradise) will keep on rejecting it. But they are always a minority; hence nobody listens to them and will bother about them.


To declare that Allah is the creator or the provider is not enough to become Muslim. You must give up before take up i.e. give up all kufr, shirk, culture and jaahiliyyah and then take us Islaam, Eemaan and Tawheed.


The four great Imams all had the same Aqeedah of Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jama’ah. They believed in Allah’s names and attributes, in Al-Qadr, Eemaan, in seeing and meeting almighty Allah (swt) etc. They all affirmed Allah’s names and attributes and never negated them under the lie of ‘purifying Allah.’ Many people today attribute false sayings and statements to them, such as to say Imaam Abu Haneefah believed eemaan was stagnant! These blatant lies and fabrications should be ignored as none of them are true.


Before we classify the types of Muslims that are present in our Ummah today, a few things have to be understood first...


At-Talaazum


The kaafir is the one who shows and conceals kufr i.e. in his inner (heart) and apparent (actions) is kufr (non-Islaam). They have something called At-Talaazum - moulding between the inner and the outer. What they say is what they conceal, therefore the kaafir commits kufr and in his heart is kufr.



1. Inner – Al-Baatin (what is in the heart, intentions etc.)
2. Outer – Az-Zaahir (actions – whether verbal or physical in tongue and limbs)



The inner and outer of every person must be the same unless he is a hypocrite i.e. he shows and acts upon what he doesn’t believe in. Hence the Munaafiq (hypocrite) has no Talaazum in kufr or eemaan. In his inner is kufr but he shows eemaan, and this can be seen among many so called Muslims today who have the signs of hypocrisy in their apparent actions and sayings.


The hypocrite declares that he believes in Allaah, the messenger, Islaam etc. but in his heart it does not (has no Talaazum), as Allaah clearly says in the Qur’aan: “And of mankind, there are some (hypocrites) who say: ‘We believe in Allâh and the Last Day’ while in fact they believe not.” (EMQ Al-Baqarah, 2: 8)


Therefore, it must be understood that Eemaan is qawl (sayings), ‘amal (actions) and niyyah (intention), as appose to the incorrect predominant understanding of eemaan i.e. belief or faith in one’s heart. And this eemaan has Talaazum, moulding the inner (intentions) with outer (sayings and actions).


Az-Zandaqah


Az-Zandaqah is to promote kufr and shirk in the name of Islaam. The Zindeeq is more dangerous than the kaafir as he promotes his kufr, bid’a and shirk by using the divine text as evidence i.e. to say pornography is allowed as Allaah says in the Qur’aan...etc. These Zanaadiqah are the worst of all creatures, far worse than the disbelievers. They usually have all the qualifications of the people of hell-fire i.e. they are zindeeq (heretic), munaafiq (hypocrite), murtad (apostate), faasiq (sinner) and zaalim (oppressor) all in one!


Zandaqah can be seen in many Muslims today who commit evil, sin and wholesale apostasy all under the name of Islaam. Rather than to say ‘voting for man-made law is apostasy’ they say ‘voting is fard!’ These Zanaadiqah are worse than your average apostates; they are zindeeq murtad (heretic apostate). In fact, all fuqahaa agree that a zindeeq will be killed with no repentance whatsoever! Whereas your average apostate has the opportunity to repent and take back what he or she said or did.


To simplify things, the inner and outer of an apostate, zindeeq and murjih, hypocrite and Muslim are illustrated below:


The inner (what is in the heart i.e. intentions)




Type of person



The outer (what is apparent in the sayings and actions)



Usually believes in Islaam and the final messenger (saw)




Murtad (apostate)



But his actions are either kufr or shirk akbar



Islaam or kufr? This is difficult to tell as he is such a hypocrite, but usually kufr




Zindeeq (heretic)



Kufr actions but presented as Islamic



Believes in Islaam and final messenger (saw)



Murji-ah (those who separate eemaan from actions)



Some kufr and some Islamic actions



Kufr, shirk, bid’a etc.



Munaafiq (hypocrite)



Islaam and eemaan



Believes in Islaam and the final messenger (saw)



Muslim (Muwahhid)



Islaam and eemaan



10 main types of people in the Muslim Ummah today


From studying our reality today we can clearly see that there are many different ‘types’ of Muslims, some who are (Muslim) and some who claim to be Muslims. We have decided to categories this division of the Ummah into 10 main sections in order for the Ummah of Muhammad (saw) to be aware of the deviants and keep distance from them. Among these 10 there are those who commit much corruption, kufr and nifaaq (hypocrisy).



1. Az-Zalamiyoon – those who do not care (people who say ‘I don’t care’)



These people are living in darkness and have no concern about the affairs of the Muslim Ummah. They are politically and socially unaware of what is around them and often live on their own or isolate themselves from society. They do not care about the affairs of Muslims in Iraq, Palestine, Chechnya, the Mujaahideen, the Ulama; their only concern is ‘me, myself and I’.


Muslims are not allowed to say: ‘I don’t care’ rather we must care about the affairs of the Muslim Ummah and the Mujaahideen, about society and the establishment of the Islamic state. The messenger of Allaah (saw) said: ‘No one of you is a believer until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.’ Therefore a Muslim MUST CARE about his Muslim brothers and sisters, not just in his local community but also across the world.


Examples: some Tableeghis, talafis etc.


There are many Zalamiyoon within the Ummah today. They care not about the apostate rulers and say ‘it does not concern me; Allaah will account my actions not the actions of others.’ These people are completely void of any knowledge and do not fit the description of a believer.



2. Az-Zanaadiqah – people who spread kufr, shirk and bid’a in the name of Islaam



As mentioned and explained above, these Zanaadiqah are the most evil or all evil. Examples of those who are Zindeeq are:


Salmaan Rushdie

This man is a murtad zindeeq as he was attacking Islaam and using so called evidence from the Qur’aan and Sunnah.


The Qadiyaanis

The Qadiyaanis are kaafir zindeeq (not murtad) as they are non-Muslims who claim to be Muslims. They believe Muhammad (saw) is a messenger but not final. They call their own places of worship and shrines ‘masjid (mosque)’. They are kaafir as they do not testify the messenger Muhammad (saw) to be the last a final messenger and promote all their bid’a, shirk and kufr in the name of Islaam.


Nation of Islam

These too are kaafir zindeeq as they sell their kufr as Islaam. They justify their blatant racism with the deen and have their own book which they call the Qur’aan.


Most Muslims commit zandaqah (even the Salafi Talafis), knowingly or unknowingly. They sell haraam as halaal and justify their rationality and desires with verses from the Qur’aan and ahadeeth.


Examples: Qadiyaanis, Nation of Islaam, some talafis, government organisations and scholars.



3. Ahlil Ahwaa-e wal bida’ee wat tasawwuf – people of hawa (desire), bid’a (innovation) and Sufism (superstition)



These people follow their beloved Taaghout - rational desires and innovation. They are people who elevate their parents, peers and Anbiyah etc. by more than what is allowed. They have dived deep into their temptations, dunya, philosophy, bid’a and choose to worship their ration than Allaah (swt).


Allah (swt) says in the Qur’aan: “Have you seen him who has taken as his ilâh (the one you worship) his own desire? Would you then be a Wakîl (a disposer of his affairs or a watcher) over him?” (EMQ Al-Furqaan, 25: 43)


And: “… and do not follow the vain desires of people who went astray in times gone by, and who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the Right Path." (EMQ Al-Maaidah, 5: 77)


Like Shaitaan, they are people who do not want to submit to Allaah exclusively and wish to bring people to their own misguided and doomed path to Hell-fire.


Examples: People who leave Islamic organisations, Young Muslims, fake Jihaadis, some ‘new’ Muslims etc.



4. Ahlul Fisq wal Mujoun - people of corruption and evil doers



The ahlul Fisq wal Mujoun are dominant everywhere in a kufr society. They even declare themselves as ‘not practicing’. They go to night clubs, cinemas, clubs, theatres, universities and colleges and free-mix with foreign men and women. They listen to music, have girl-friends and boy-friends, drink, smoke drugs and cigarettes etc.


Examples: People in university campuses and colleges, young Muslims



5. As-Salafiyyat ut-Talafiyyah – the fake, dispraised and rotten Salafis



The fake salafis study the Qur’aan, ahadeeth and fitrah (natural disposition). They follow the usool (foundations) of Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jama’ah, claiming to be the protectors of the deen and Ahl ul-Haq, but in condition; they will not enter any struggle against kufr, shirk or taaghout.


If their own practicing of the deen leads them to struggle against kufr, shirk and taawaagheet, they would completely leave it and follow a different deviant Tareeqah. However, they are happy and content with just speaking about Allaah’s names and attributes all day. They are hard-core Khawaarij when it comes to the Mujaahideen (they call the Mujaahideen kaafir, a’oodhubillah), murji-ah when it comes to the apostate rulers, and zindeeq in other areas.


The Jaamiyyah and Madkhaliyyah within the talafis follow the governmental scholars of Saudi Arabia and work as free lance informers and government spies. They also fall under the category of Zanaadiwah, Ahlul Irjaa-a (separate eemaan from actions) and Az-Zalamiyoon when it comes to the apostate rulers of Muslim countries.



6. The practicing Muslims from the seculars



They are Ahlul ‘Ibaadah wal Iltizaam (people of worship and practicing Islaam). They are generally practicing and watch out for halaal food, salat, perform Hajj, fast in Ramadaan and are commit to follow hukm Shar’ee in general. However, they are silent and do not speak out of fear of being arrested or labelled terrorist, though they support the Mujaahideen ‘secretly’ and the sincere Muslim activists financially.


They have no walaa’ and baraa’ in the sense they say not all kuffar are bad people and semi-detach themselves from the global Muslim Ummah. They are in between the haq and the baatil. They are probably the best out of the 10 deviant types of Muslims today.



7. Ahl ul-Irjaa-a – people who separate eemaan from actions



These people are mostly from the ‘Ashaa-irah and Matureedis, though most of Muslims fall under this category. They separate eemaan from actions based upon weak narrations attributed to the messenger of Allaah (saw) and Abu Haneefah. They do not call the rulers of Muslim countries apostates as they say what they are doing is kufr, but we cannot call them kaafir.


They actively spread the murji-ah ideas within the Muslim Ummah. They are people who compromise with kufr and are semi hypocrites in the sense that they do not declare what they believe in or what has authentic evidence. They say ‘it is your own opinion’, ‘be realistic and accept reality’ and ‘we need to integrate (and become kaafir)’.


Examples: Ikhwan ul-Muslimeen, Young Muslim organisations, talafis and most Muslims



8. Those who believe in reaction



These people are power seekers and kill or envy anybody that gets in their way. If someone disagrees with them they call them kafir of people of fitnah. They actively work with the kuffar Socialists and take the Jews and their best example.


Examples: Young Muslim organisations, MAB, ISB



9. At-Tajammu’aat ul ‘Ilmaniyyah - The Nationalistic and patriotic



Most Muslims fall under this category too, especially from Palestine and the Asian sub-continent. They love their nation and claim it was created for Islaam when it was created for kufr. Nationalism is a disease and the main cause of disunity (besides lack of Tawheed). It is a form of Taaghout and Muslims must give it up before they take up eemaan and Islaam.


Examples: Nationalistic groups, PLO, Jamaati Islaam, most Muslims



10. ‘Ilmaanis - The secularists



The secularists do not practice the deen. They are generally law abiding apostates who separate Islaam from life’s affairs. They do no want the Shari’ah to be implemented, though some falsely claim they do, as they believe Islaam must reconcile and adapt to the 21st century or modern times.


They are people who rise against haq and stand for shirk, kufr, nifaaq, transgression, apostasy, zandaqah, munkar, bid’a and baatil etc. They are generally apostates as they there is no such thing as secularism in Islaam and secularism is a deen in itself.


Examples: MCB, CAIR (in the US), Young Muslims, MAB, ISB, ‘British Muslims’ and ‘American Maarslims (with an American accent)’ etc.


Conclusion


It is vital for us as Muslims to be aware and disassociate ourselves from these deviant sects. However, we must remember that they are still ahl ul-Qibla (Muslims) unless they have no preventions of Takfeer. To make sure we always follow the straight path, we must take the understanding of the Sahaabah as our Islamic standard for any matters related to the deen of Islaam. It is only the Shari’ah i.e. the Khilaafah (Islamic state) that can re-unite this Ummah and take it out from its darkness into the light of eemaan
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faqir
18-05-2005, 06:09 PM
The majority of those who believe in Allah are in fact Mushrik as Allah says in the Qur’aan that the ‘believers’ will not know that they are Mushrik (12: 106). The messenger Muhammad (saw) also said: ‘the shirk of my Ummah will spread the way the ants spread in any place.’


Could they really be talking about Surah Yusuf, ayah 106?

http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=12&tid=25241


Regarding the Hadith, see what Sh. Nuh [may Allah preserve him mentioned] here:

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/studyh.htm


Without a guiding hand, the untrained reader will misunderstand many of the hadiths he reads, and these mistakes, if assimilated and left uncorrected, may pile up until he can never find his way out of them, let alone become a scholar. Such a person is particularly easy prey for modern sectarian movements of our times appearing in a neo-orthodox guise, well financed and published, quoting Quran and hadiths to the uninformed to make a case for the basic contention of all deviant sects since the beginning of Islam; namely, that only they are the true Muslims. Such movements may adduce, for example, the well-authenticated (hasan) hadith related from Aisha (Allah be well pleased with her) by al-Hakim al-Tirmidhi that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, Shirk (polytheism) is more hidden in my Umma than the creeping of ants across a great smooth stone on a black night . . . (Nawadir al-usul fi marifa ahadith al-Rasul. Istanbul 1294/1877. Reprint. Beirut: Dar Sadir, n.d., 399).

This hadith has been used by sects from the times of the historical Wahhabi movement down to the present to convince common people that the majority of Muslims may not actually be Muslims at all, but rather mushrikin or polytheists, and that those who do not subscribe to the views of their sheikhs may be beyond the pale of Islam.

In reply, traditional scholars point out that the words fi Ummati, "in my Umma" in the hadith plainly indicate that what is meant here is the lesser shirk of certain sins that, though serious, do not entail outright unbelief. For the word shirk or polytheism has two meanings. The first is the greater polytheism of worshipping others with Allah, of which Allah says in surat al-Nisa, "Truly, Allah does not forgive that any should be associated with Him [in worship], but forgives what is other than that to whomever He wills" (Quran 4:48), and this is the shirk of unbelief. The second is the lesser polytheism of sins that entail shortcomings in one's tawhid or knowledge of the divine unity, but do not entail leaving Islam. Examples include affection towards someone for the sake of something that is wrongdoing (called shirk because one hopes to benefit from what Allah has placed no benefit in), or disliking someone because of something that is right (called shirk because one apprehends harm from what Allah has placed benefit in), or the sin of showing off in acts of worship, as mentioned in the sahih or rigorously authenticated hadith that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, The slightest bit of showing off in good works is shirk (al-Mustadrak ala al-Sahihayn. 4 vols. Hyderabad, 1334/1916. Reprint (with index vol. 5). Beirut: Dar al-Marifa, n.d.,1.4). Such sins do not put one outside of Islam, though they are disobedience and do show a lack of faith (iman).

Scholars say that the lesser shirk of such sins is meant by the hadith, for if the greater shirk of unbelief were intended, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) would not have referred to such individuals as being in my Umma, since unbelief (kufr) is separate and distinct from Islam, and necessarily outside of it. This is also borne out by another version of the hadith related from Abu Bakr (Nawadir al-usul, 397), which has fikum or "among you" in place of the words "in my Umma", a direct reference to the Sahaba or prophetic Companions, none of whom was a mushrik or idolator, by unanimous consensus (ijma) of all Muslim scholars. As for sins of lesser shirk, it cannot be lost on anyone why their hiddenness is compared in the hadith to the imperceptible creeping of ants across a great smooth stone on a black night; namely, because of the subtlety of human motives, and the ease with which human beings can deceive themselves.

Similarly, al-Bukhari relates that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: "Truly, you shall follow the ways of those who were before you, span by span, and cubit by cubit, until, if they were to enter a lizards lair, you would follow them." We said, "O Messenger of Allah, the Jews and Christians?" And he said, "Who else?" (Sahih al-Bukhari. 9 vols. Cairo 1313/1895. Reprint (9 vols. in 3). Beirut: Dar al-Jil, n.d., 9.126: 7320).

This hadith is also used by modern movements claiming to be a return to the Quran and sunna, to suggest that the majority of ordinary Sunni Muslims who follow the aqida (tenets of faith) or fiqh of mainstream orthodox Sunni Imams (whose classic works seldom fully correspond with their views) are intended by this hadith, while there is much evidence that the orthodox majority of the Umma is divinely protected from error, such as the sahih hadith related by al-Hakim that "Allah's hand is over the group, and whoever diverges from them diverges to hell" (al-Mustadrak, 1.116). Such hadiths show that Quranic verses like "If you obey most of those on earth, they will lead you astray from the path of Allah" (Quran, 6:116) do not refer to those who follow traditional Islamic scholarship (who have never been a majority of those on earth), but rather the non-Muslim majority of mankind.

muslim786
18-05-2005, 07:39 PM
Who are these people are they same as the al mahjurioun i heard they changed their name?

faqir
18-05-2005, 07:42 PM
Yeah, pretty much.

Hamood
18-05-2005, 07:48 PM
Whats a 'talafi' ? Never heard that before.

Abdur_Rahman
18-05-2005, 07:57 PM
Whats a 'talafi' ? Never heard that before.
fake salafi :confused: Allahu alim

The person who doesn't call to overthrowing the leadership allahu alim

tazkiyyah
18-05-2005, 10:16 PM
What a strange bunch of people!
Subhanallahil Adheem

Muawiyah
19-05-2005, 09:23 AM
"As-Sunnan ad-Daarimeen"?

abdushakur
19-05-2005, 10:09 AM
Dear Respected Sidi Muawiyah,

May we be appraised as to why you have quoted aforementioned hadith collection?

[sunan ad-darimi]

ilm_seeker
19-05-2005, 12:49 PM
As sallamu alaikum

Can anyone explain the following quote and it's relation to the Jama'ah being the majority instead of the minority as stated below.


Ibn Qayyim, a student of Ibn Taymiyyah said in his book Zaad ul ma’aad, kitaab ul eemaan: The shirk will continue to spread until in covers those who are far away and those who are near but the ghurabaa’ (the strangers who are promised paradise) will keep on rejecting it. But they are always a minority; hence nobody listens to them and will bother about them.

Wa alaiakum as sallam

Shaykhs-Pir Sahib
19-05-2005, 06:55 PM
.... is the saying of the salaf - or is it the opinion of a scholar (sorry, just using their mentality on them)?

Muawiyah
19-05-2005, 10:46 PM
Dear Respected Sidi Muawiyah,

May we be appraised as to why you have quoted aforementioned hadith collection?

[sunan ad-darimi]

Hadhrat, I meant to ask whether a collection by the name of sunan ad-darimeen existed or whether it was merely a typo.

Shaykhs-Pir Sahib
19-05-2005, 11:01 PM
3. Ahlil Ahwaa-e wal bida’ee wat tasawwuf – people of hawa (desire), bid’a (innovation) and Sufism (superstition)



These people follow their beloved Taaghout - rational desires and innovation. They are people who elevate their parents, peers and Anbiyah etc. by more than what is allowed. They have dived deep into their temptations, dunya, philosophy, bid’a and choose to worship their ration than Allaah (swt).


Allah (swt) says in the Qur’aan: “Have you seen him who has taken as his ilâh (the one you worship) his own desire? Would you then be a Wakîl (a disposer of his affairs or a watcher) over him?” (EMQ Al-Furqaan, 25: 43)


And: “… and do not follow the vain desires of people who went astray in times gone by, and who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the Right Path." (EMQ Al-Maaidah, 5: 77)


Like Shaitaan, they are people who do not want to submit to Allaah exclusively and wish to bring people to their own misguided and doomed path to Hell-fire.


Examples: People who leave Islamic organisations, Young Muslims, fake Jihaadis, some ‘new’ Muslims etc.


nice translation of sufism... never heard that one before. obviously a great understanding of arabic.

this article is old and was on the al-muhajiroun site. no prizes for guessing which 'eminent scholar' authorised this worthless piece of work..

ilm_seeker
20-05-2005, 02:13 PM
As sallamu alaikum

So the answer to my question on page 1 people?

Wa alaikum as sallam

abdushakur
20-05-2005, 04:08 PM
^^
the answer is, that that opinion is of Imam Ibn Qayyim in his book.
i dont think it is the jamhoor/majority opinion.

Allah knows best.

Shaykhs-Pir Sahib
20-05-2005, 09:32 PM
these nutters were outside the US embassy today - absolutely unbelievable - absolute thugs... somewhere along the way, in the midst of all their rhetorick on jihad, they forgot about prophetic character, just like the loonies from HT who sprayed red paint on the Uzbek embassy the other day... its sad to see the ummah lower themselves to the standard of the west.

Shaykhs-Pir Sahib
20-05-2005, 09:42 PM
more shocking stuff:.....

http://www.aswj.net/tableeghiverdicts.htm

we need to rid ourselves of these elements in our ummah. unfortumately, the people who are leading these 'jihad' movements are enemies to the ashari's, maturidis, and sufis..

ilm_seeker
20-05-2005, 10:22 PM
As sallamu alaikum

Perhaps there's a difference of opinion amongst the Saudi Arabian Al-Qa'ida group regard the tablighi jamat, i'm sure that the al-qa'ida rooted in asia (specially pakistan) doesn't hold them to be batil?

Wa alaikum as sallam

quran_alone
25-05-2005, 10:14 AM
So now we know whats in the mind of a terrorist

Muawiyah
25-05-2005, 06:18 PM
these guys just attribute whatever they wish to people they don't like, whatever is their evidence for saying that the Tablighis say tha that “Laa Ilaah Illaa Allaah” means “Laa Rabb Illaa Allaah”? I've not come across this in any of the Tablighi books.