Exile of one year for non married Zani

[AbuTaymiyah]

salam aleykum

Saheeh Bukhari,

Kitab Witness, Narrated Zaid bin Khalid:

Allah's Apostle ordered that an unmarried man who committed illegal sexual intercourse be scourged one hundred lashes and sent into exile for one year.

Saheeh Bukhari, Kitab Peace making,

Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid Al-Juhani:

A bedouin came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Judge between us according to Allah's Laws." His opponent got up and said, "He is right. Judge between us according to Allah's Laws." The bedouin said, "My son was a laborer working for this man, and he committed illegal sexual intercourse with his wife. The people told me that my son should be stoned to death; so, in lieu of that, I paid a ransom of one hundred sheep and a slave girl to save my son. Then I asked the learned scholars who said, "Your son has to be lashed one-hundred lashes and has to be exiled for one year." The Prophet said, "No doubt I will judge between you according to Allah's Laws. The slave-girl and the sheep are to go back to you, and your son will get a hundred lashes and one year exile." He then addressed somebody, "O Unais! go to the wife of this (man) and stone her to death" So, Unais went and stoned her to death
This hadeeth is also in Muslim, Malik, Ahmad, Humaydi, four Sunan.

Sunan Tirmidhee, Kitab Al Hudood, chapter about exile ( nafi)

From ibn Umar that the Prophet saw ordered wiping and exile ( of one year), Abu Bakr ordered whipping and exile, and Umar ordered whipping and exile.

( Imam tirmidhee said :) And the action is on this for Ahle Ilm from Companions of Nabi saw, from them Abu Bakr, Umar, Ali, ibnu Abi Ka’b, Abudllah ibn Mas’ood, Abu Zarr, and others, and the same I has been reported by more than one from fuqahah of tabi’een, and this is the saying of Sufyan Thawree, Malik ibnu Anas, Abdullah ibnul Mubarak, Shafii, Ahmad and Ishaaq.

end of Sunan Tirmidhee

Objections of Ahnaaf about exile of one year for none married, taken from Tuhaftul Ahwazee

1) The exile is abrogated as said by Sahibul Hidayah, and Mubarakpuree answered that naskh is not done without daleel, and here Sahabah acted on this after the Prophet saw, four khalifah rashidah as there is also a narration from ibn Abi Shaybah that Uthman also ordered exile.

2) The Prophet saw did that because of Ta’zeer, and they brought two weak narrations, see Tuhfat. Lets say what they say is the truth, then Ahnaaf should follow Prophet and Sahabah in this ta’zeer. So there excuse is not valid. Also if the Prophet saw did that for ta’zeer he should tell us, because without daleel, all his actions about religious matters are taken as law. Also the Prophet saying I will judge with Book of Allah means its explanation, the Sunnah is also from Allah’s order. The meaning of Quran is that explaining by the Prophet saw.

3) The main point is that it is an addition to the book of Allah and this is not permissible with khabar Ahad, then Allamah Mubarakpuree said that Ahnaaf do add to Quran with less than that as in case of nabeedh, and here the hadeeth is mashoor, as in has been reported by many Sahabah and many tabi’een reported it.


So one can see Ahnaaf’s rules, they do not take ahadeeth against them saying they are ahad, we cannot add to Quran with that, and they add to Quran with Qias, wich is less than khabar Ahad. Also with weak narration they resctrict the Quran. Insha Allah I will mention the case of there being no riba in Darul Harb for Ahnaaf, and Ahnaaf adding to Quran with a weak narration, that ibn Humam and others agreed to be weak.

May Allah guide Ahnaaf to accept Khabar Ahad

I will ask people to read Imam Shafii’s Risalah and all his daleel about prove of kahar Ahad.

[Usman]

Assalaamu alaikum,
Hey bro, you baselessly ponder so much into those booklets they give you, in which there are faults(as they say) of ahnaaf are discussed, yet you are still running away from telling me where to obtain the fatawa against the likes of Muhammad JoonaGarhi, who called Qiyaas to be much impure than the urine and swine.
Not to forget the famous saying of the so-called Ahle-Hadeeth :

"THE FIRST QIYAAS WAS DONE BY SHAYTAAN",

I suggest you go through the lies your elders have been telling all along during their lifetime, each stating that they are folloing the Quran and AUTHENTIC aHadeeth only.
I would also like to know where can I obtain fatawa against Nawab Siddique Hasan Khan sahib , who said Ijma is impossible, and is not a source.

I would also like to know where can I obtain fatawa against the likes of Allamah Waheeduz Zaman, the grand teacher of Hafiz Zubayr Alee Zayee, who claimed that the HANAFI way of Salah is closer to Sunnah.

Please bro, I won't let you escape until you give me answers. Come'on now, it's been more than one whole week.

[Abul Hasan]

:salam:

Bro. Usman

The more I see from Abu Taymiyya here - the more he reminds me of Abu Alqama Hassan Ali Khan who posts so much tripe and distortions against the Ahnaaf on the infamous debacle calling itself_ Ah-ya.org :$

I have some nice books in radd of these people in arabic and urdu - they need to be completely typed up or scanned to show how pathless they really are! Have you heard of Shaykh Abu Bakr al-Ghazipuri al-Athari from India? This man has humiliated them mercilessly with scans of their devaint writings, fiqh and aqeeda?! If you have them then please make them into PDF files on your website or contact me if you need help in getting these books.

Anyway, I want to ask: Can Abu Taymiyyah take an oath here that he is not Abu Alqama and what screen name does he answer with at ah-ya.org - a site who are thieves and plagiarisers according to their sworn enemies - spubs.com - :$

Wassalam

[Usman]

Bro. Usman

The more I see from Abu Taymiyya here - the more he reminds me of Abu Alqama Hassan Ali Khan who posts so much tripe and distortions against the Ahnaaf on the infamous debacle calling itself_ Ah-ya.org

I have some nice books in radd of these people in arabic and urdu - they need to be completely typed up or scanned to show how pathless they really are! Have you heard of Shaykh Abu Bakr al-Ghazipuri al-Athari from India? This man has humiliated them mercilessly with scans of their devaint writings, fiqh and aqeeda?! If you have them then please make them into PDF files on your website or contact me if you need help in getting these books.

wa'alaikumus salaam,
the books you mentioned, one of them is inshaAllah Coming soon, or should I say, "coming by the end of june".

[AbuTaymiyah]

salam aleykum

About the Zani being expelled one year, I had a look at Urf Shazee and Taqrir Tirmidhi and they both said that the Prophet saw expelled one year oit of Syasiyah.

They gave daleel that Umar expelled someone one year, and then he jopined Hirqal and became kafir and Umar said I ill not expell after this. So their istidlal is that if exile was a hadd then Umar would not stop it.

Shaykh Mubarakpuree answered to this claim saying that in this athr in is mentionned that this man was drinking wine, and Umar expelled him

So this exile was of wine drinking which was a Ta'zeer of Umar, and it was not about non married Zani

If Umar did stop exile of Zani, then there would not be saheeh Hadeeth in Tirmidhi and other sunan that Umar did expell

And Imam Tirmidhi would not attributre this madhab to Umar also, he would clearly say he expelled, then changes his mind.

So Saheeh Athar show us that Umar did expell one year

And his stoping exile was for wine drinker.

And of copurse people quoting Umar stoping exile have problem quoting the athar, so people can see that trhe man he expelled and joined kufar was not a zani, but wine drinker.

As for Allamah Waheeduz Zaman then he is a man who can err, so his claim is not a daleel.

As for Nawab Sahib's saying, insha Allah I will answer this in another post, as this one is not related to Ijma'.

As for Abul Hassan, then can you tell what on Ahya is a lie on Ahnaaf, quotations from their books....

Also anybody who sees mistakes in Ahya on Ahya can answer on this forum, some Hanafi there put a risalah on taraweeh, other also put posts there.

Because if you do not give any daleel, about wrong things attributed to Ahnaaf, your words have no value at all.

May Allah give Ahnaaf tawfeeq to accept hadeeth about exile of non Zani