Reprimanding Men for Denying the Athar of Ibn ‘Abbas

[Saad]

Reprimanding Men for Denying the Athar of Ibn ‘Abbas (http://deoband.org/2010/08/hadith/principles-of-hadith/reprimanding-men-for-denying-the-athar-of-ibn-%e2%80%98abbas/)

The one whose only manual work is the acquisition of sins, and only profession is the perpetuation of misdeeds, the one hopeful of the pardon of his Lord, Possessor of Grace and Bestowals, Abu 'l-Hasanat Muhammad 'Abd al-Hayy, the Lakhnawi by homeland, the Hanafi by madhhab, the Ansari and Ayyubi by lineage, the son of the ocean, full of treasures, and the rain, pouring forth, Mawlana Hafiz Muhammad 'Abd al-Halim (Allah admit him into the Abode of Bliss), says:This is a beneficial treatise and a comprehensive work on the verification of the athar of Ibn 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with him and obviate from him every objection), which was cited in the explanation of His (Exalted is He) statement, "Allah is He who created seven heavens, and of the earth the like thereof" (65:12) as "Seven earths: In every earth is a prophet like your Prophet, an Adam like your Adam, a Nuh like your Nuh, an Ibrahim like your Ibrahim and an 'Isa like your 'Isa". [The treatise] is called Zajr al-Nas 'ala Inkari Athar ibn 'Abbas (Reprimanding Men for Denying the Athar of Ibn 'Abbas).I adopted a moderate path in this [verification], avoiding the rejectionist position (ifrat) of one group and the excess (tafrit) of another group, since one group strove to negate the cited athar and ruled it to be weak and forged and similar [terms] which invalidate assertions, and another group inclined to strengthening it from the perspective of isnad and explained it with explanations leading to corruption. I was not satisfied, neither with this [group] nor with that [group]. Rather, I preferred a middle-path between them. Before this, I had written a treatise on this subject, which I called Al-Ayat al-Bayyinat 'ala Wujud al-Anbiya' fi l-Tabaqat (Clear Evidences on the Existence of Prophets in the Strata), and another which I called Dafi' al-Waswas fi Athar ibn 'Abbas (Repelling Whispers about the Athar of Ibn 'Abbas) and both of them are in the Hindi language. This is a third treatise in Arabic, the language of the inhabitants of the Garden, arranged into two chapters in order to verify the objectives as two principles. I ask Allah to make it purely for His Noble Countenance. Verily, He is the Possessor of an All-Encompassing Grace.

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[Abu Zayd al-Atharee]

Reprimanding Men for Denying the Athar of Ibn ‘Abbas (http://deoband.org/2010/08/hadith/principles-of-hadith/reprimanding-men-for-denying-the-athar-of-ibn-%e2%80%98abbas/)

The one whose only manual work is the acquisition of sins, and only profession is the perpetuation of misdeeds, the one hopeful of the pardon of his Lord, Possessor of Grace and Bestowals, Abu 'l-Hasanat Muhammad 'Abd al-Hayy, the Lakhnawi by homeland, the Hanafi by madhhab, the Ansari and Ayyubi by lineage, the son of the ocean, full of treasures, and the rain, pouring forth, Mawlana Hafiz Muhammad 'Abd al-Halim (Allah admit him into the Abode of Bliss), says:This is a beneficial treatise and a comprehensive work on the verification of the athar of Ibn 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with him and obviate from him every objection), which was cited in the explanation of His (Exalted is He) statement, "Allah is He who created seven heavens, and of the earth the like thereof" (65:12) as "Seven earths: In every earth is a prophet like your Prophet, an Adam like your Adam, a Nuh like your Nuh, an Ibrahim like your Ibrahim and an 'Isa like your 'Isa". [The treatise] is called Zajr al-Nas 'ala Inkari Athar ibn 'Abbas (Reprimanding Men for Denying the Athar of Ibn 'Abbas).I adopted a moderate path in this [verification], avoiding the rejectionist position (ifrat) of one group and the excess (tafrit) of another group, since one group strove to negate the cited athar and ruled it to be weak and forged and similar [terms] which invalidate assertions, and another group inclined to strengthening it from the perspective of isnad and explained it with explanations leading to corruption. I was not satisfied, neither with this [group] nor with that [group]. Rather, I preferred a middle-path between them. Before this, I had written a treatise on this subject, which I called Al-Ayat al-Bayyinat 'ala Wujud al-Anbiya' fi l-Tabaqat (Clear Evidences on the Existence of Prophets in the Strata), and another which I called Dafi' al-Waswas fi Athar ibn 'Abbas (Repelling Whispers about the Athar of Ibn 'Abbas) and both of them are in the Hindi language. This is a third treatise in Arabic, the language of the inhabitants of the Garden, arranged into two chapters in order to verify the objectives as two principles. I ask Allah to make it purely for His Noble Countenance. Verily, He is the Possessor of an All-Encompassing Grace.

Read the entire article... (http://deoband.org/2010/08/hadith/principles-of-hadith/reprimanding-men-for-denying-the-athar-of-ibn-%e2%80%98abbas/)

As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah,

So, according to the above we all have doubles, triples etc. Do they share the same Rooh? Do they hold the same position with Allah ('azza wa jal)? It all seems too much, especially to consider that there is another Muhammad (sallallahu 'lahi wa sallam) who is the best of all creation!

[The Fake Shaykh]

As salaam alaikum wa rahmatullah,
It all seems too much, especially to consider that there is another Muhammad (sallallahu 'lahi wa sallam) who is the best of all creation!

:ws:
for the majority of people all this will go over thier heads, these kinds of topics are deep and really only the men of deep knowledge will be able to fully understand, after reading the article and especially the part below and onwards i sort of grasped what the author is explaining:

[The Comparison does not entail Exact Likeness]

If you say: when the existence of Prophets in the lower strata is the preferred [view], what then is the manner of the comparison of one of them with the Chief of the Prophets? I say: the first of them is like Adam in first-ness and the last of them is like the Seal of the Prophets in seal-ness.

If one replies that this necessitates the existence of one like our Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) and it has been stipulated in the books of the Ahl al-Sunnah that his likeness in his special qualities is impossible for others with certainty. We say to him: No, it does not necessitate that, and it only necessitates that if the comparison is in all the qualities of perfection, or all the special qualities. His [exact] likeness is not necessary from the comparison, for it is enough to share even a single attribute, as is established in the science of similes (fann al-tashbih). Hence, the comparison here is only in the seal and in last-ness, not in other than that of the qualities of perfection.

[Taliban1]

Such a deep and difficult article, goes above 90% of the population here...

[a_muslim]

This is what brother Dhul Qarnayn posted in another thread:


:salam:

This might be unrelated at this point, but going by our knowledge of the natural laws (otherwise known as Allah's customary way of creation) of the universe, it's far more likely that this is referring to multiple parallel universes rather than literal planets orbiting stars somewhere else within our universe. The clue for that would be in the specific reference to people from here having versions of themselves there which is a signature feature of the various scientific hypotheses about multiverses. Still, we cannot say for certain. Allah knows best.

The principle behind the idea of a multiverse in science is that for each possible event, that event happens in a new branch (a new universe). "Many worlds" theory. I'm sure most of you have heard of this by now. They've no idea what the number could possibly be, whether none at all or infinite. They just know it's theoretically possible (and it explains other phenomena like wave function collapse).

In some of the writings of Ibn Arabi (ra), where he was elucidating on atomism (the annihilation and creation in every instant), describing it as going from mumkinat (possibilities), to Allah's divine decree (qadar), which results in al-khalq ul jadid (new creation). This is almost the same concept. The 6 other worlds could be alternate universes where things proceed differently according to such views of old Sufis. We each would have a version of ourselves there, and of course, so would all the prophets.

Such writings of some Sufis are the only evidence we have in favor of this scenario over any other (such as the one with other actual planets somewhere within our universe). However, Maulana Qasim Nanotvi's (ra) explanation actually fits the multiverse model well. Not only did he have spiritual insight, he had the intellect to boot. The multiplanet hypothesis (the literal interpretation) would seem like no issue at all, we simply take it to mean that those "final prophets" were final only relative to their worlds but our final prophet :saw: was still chronologically and in every other manner the final and the seal overall. There is still one clock for the whole universe. The layman would interpret it in that manner. But that does not address the issues raised by a multiverse scenario which would have been an extremely complicated and tough subject to tackle. But Tahzir al Nas does that job. Were it not for the fact that he proved it, I don't see how most people would not be confused at this second, more complicated scenario and even start doubting the "finality" of our Prophet :saw:. It's as if Maulana sahib knew that there could be scenarios in which time itself is transcended. If most of us were challenged to prove the finality of propethood with the knowledge that there existed 6 other parallel universes, even physicists would be stumped. There's one clock in our universe but with 7 total, there'd be 7 clocks with no way of comparing or relating them. Yet Maulana sahib's explanation brilliantly achieved this.

Needless to say, this sort of thought coming from a religious man in India in the mid-19th century is itself something of a wonder. These are subjects otherwise brought to light only by the physicists of the late 20th century.

EDIT: I'm writing this after I just had an alim try to explain it to me, since I can't read Urdu.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?67509-Some-issues-with-Husaam-al-haramayn-and-Original-Texts-of-Deobandi-Kutubs&p=565413&viewfull=1#post565413

[ccarlos196]

I had written a treatise on this subject, which I called Al-Ayat al-Bayyinat 'ala Wujud al-Anbiya' fi l-Tabaqat (Clear Evidences on the Existence of Prophets in the Strata), and another which I called Dafi' al-Waswas fi Athar ibn 'Abbas (Repelling Whispers about the Athar of Ibn 'Abbas) and both of them are in the Hindi language.

[ccarlos196]

I had written a treatise on this subject, which I called Al-Ayat al-Bayyinat 'ala Wujud al-Anbiya' fi l-Tabaqat (Clear Evidences on the Existence of Prophets in the Strata.
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[Abu Zayd al-Atharee]

I had written a treatise on this subject, which I called Al-Ayat al-Bayyinat 'ala Wujud al-Anbiya' fi l-Tabaqat (Clear Evidences on the Existence of Prophets in the Strata), and another which I called Dafi' al-Waswas fi Athar ibn 'Abbas (Repelling Whispers about the Athar of Ibn 'Abbas) and both of them are in the Hindi language.

Can you make them available in the english language?

[Ansari]

That is a spambot.

[din4932]

please write in easy English so every body can understand.