Halal Holidays

[muminah]

:salam:

Halal holidays in the sun: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/fast_track/8901976.stm

Does anyone know more about it or been on one?

[muminah]

Nomadic, jazakAllah. May I have the website link please?

[ENIGMA]

Nomadic, jazakAllah. May I have the website link please?

:jazak: muminah for the BBC website.

nomadic, like muminah said, their website would be appreciated.

[Taliban1]

How can muslims bother going on holidays despite whts happening with muslims around the world? why not spend that money to help those in need?

[FAZZ]

How can muslims bother going on holidays despite whts happening with muslims around the world? why not spend that money to help those in need?

salams brother,
i understand your point but now and again we just need to take a break.
if we go with the right intentions eg. to spend with intention of helping fellow muslims in their business,or helping muslim countries build their economies INSHALLAH we will be rewarded as well.

[xs11ax]

:salam:

better not vote for the taliban next election day because believe me they would never allow this to take place.

[muminah]

:salam:

better not vote for the taliban next election day because believe me they would never allow this to take place.

Then people wonder why there are some Muslims who are not keen on the Taliban :rolleyes:

[meelash]

:salam:

better not vote for the taliban next election day because believe me they would never allow this to take place.

What are you basing that idea on? If it is actually according to Shariah, then on what basis would it be disallowed? Be careful about casually making statements about other Muslims, especially when so much disinformation already exists.

I don't have any specific info on this, but some things to watch out for/ask questions about that I've seen people running similar programs ignorant of:
1. There is also an awrah for women around other women- if a women-only pool has women in bikinis, that would still not be acceptable.
2. The awrah for women with non-Muslim women is the same as with men (except face, hands, feet may be shown)
3. Men's awrah is from navel to knees. استغفر الله, even on hajj, we unfortunately had to tell some brothers about this who were tying their lungi according to Western culture instead of Islam's standards.
4. Clothing's tightness also matters, not just what it covers.
5. Lifeguards are not an exception.

[xs11ax]

:salam:

i cannot understand any man that would be ok with his women folk being in the vicinity of men who are dressed only to cover their awrah. women also have desires and do not need to see a man completely naked to be attracted by him.

also, i do not know how well the women are covered on these 'halal' holidays, but for a man to see a woman running around and laughing can become a means of attraction in itself.

[Nomadic]

http://www.islamictravels.com/

[meelash]

:salam:

i cannot understand any man that would be ok with his women folk being in the vicinity of men who are dressed only to cover their awrah. women also have desires and do not need to see a man completely naked to be attracted by him.

also, i do not know how well the women are covered on these 'halal' holidays, but for a man to see a woman running around and laughing can become a means of attraction in itself.

Both true. I was speaking more about the awrah of men from other men, and women from other women, which is often completely ignored out of lack of education in these type of things.

Obviously, besides that, there would also need to be general segregation and not free mixing.

[xs11ax]

If you have problem with this, don't go. Simple as that! As for segragation, are we going to hear the same old reason why women are exampt from attending masjid when they are out about. This is the reality. If you have problem with this, I like to see you pious brother setting example by you staying at home after returning from masjid. Either you provide a solution or try to provide one or do nothing. Why not suggest the level of segragration you are expacting by volunteering your time when you go on a holiday with them!!

in your opinion is it ok for non-mehram men and women to be running around and having fun in front of each other? do you think the men and women will not be attracted to each other when they see each other frolicking about? would you be comfortable with your wife/daughter/sister/mother seeing/looking at men exposing their legs and chest?

not having a go at you. serious questions.

by the way, i am not implying that i am a 'pious brother' like you have said in your post. i am just saying that i think this is not alowed. and it does not matter what i do or dont do as i am not a measure of the deen. the deen is the quran and sunnah, and i can not imagine anyway where this would be allowed in the deen. however, you seem to think it is, so please explain why.

[muminah]

in your opinion is it ok for non-mehram men and women to be running around and having fun in front of each other? do you think the men and women will not be attracted to each other when they see each other frolicking about? would you be comfortable with your wife/daughter/sister/mother seeing/looking at men exposing their legs and chest?



How would they be running around in front of each other when the pools and relaxing areas are clearly seperated?

My sisters and mother have seen (countless times) men exposing their legs and chest in hajj!

[xs11ax]

How would they be running around in front of each other when the pools and relaxing areas are clearly seperated?

My sisters and mother have seen (countless times) men exposing their legs and chest in hajj!

i saw the first few seconds of the vid in the bbc link. then i switched it off. i did not see any seperation.

as for your hajj comment, then does that mean our deobandi ulama are also wrong in not letting the women join the prayers in the masjid. should women be forming their own rows behind the men? why is it that our ulama are against women going to the masjid and praying behind the men even though women mix with men in the haram. what is good for the goose...etc.

[Quraatulain]

:salam:

I'm just passing on a message not from the people who runs this group but from a sister I know, who knows the organizers of this group well. She said they are honest people masha'Allah and they have worked and are working really hard on this project.She assisted them at the initial stages and was due to accompany them there this year,but due to an emergency she can't.

I asked her about the separation between the genders,she said she haven't been or seen but she would take their word as their honest brothers.

Anyway If I was to go I still will opt to wear a Jubba/niqab as I do when going to the beaches here.It's more comfortable...we can hide from people but "google earth" can still spy on you :rolleyes:

[Amina33]

i saw the first few seconds of the vid in the bbc link. then i switched it off. i did not see any seperation.

as for your hajj comment, then does that mean our deobandi ulama are also wrong in not letting the women join the prayers in the masjid. should women be forming their own rows behind the men? why is it that our ulama are against women going to the masjid and praying behind the men even though women mix with men in the haram. what is good for the goose...etc.

Last year I went on holiday with The resort was 5*, the women's complex was excellent. Some of the women wore westernised swimwear as well and some wore the full body covering. The beach was very stoney but plesant. The resort is located in a farming area and the nearest town is very small. The local rep service and transfers were excellent. Overall we had a lovely holiday. A big thank you for the organisers, Amina

[muminah]

Last year I went on holiday with The resort was 5*, the women's complex was excellent. Some of the women wore westernised swimwear as well and some wore the full body covering. The beach was very stoney but plesant. The resort is located in a farming area and the nearest town is very small. The local rep service and transfers were excellent. Overall we had a lovely holiday. A big thank you for the organisers, Amina

Thanks for sharing your experiences. How was the food?

[Nomadic]

http://islamictravels.com/

[forevermm]

we can hide from people but "google earth" can still spy on you :rolleyes:

Now I'm going to be paranoid sitting in my back yard...Is google earth that powerful to be able to zoom on a single person with that much detail that you know who they are?

The above was totally off topic but I love the idea of muslim vacation areas. I have been talking with a few investors who want to create a same type of place in the US which would be absolutely wonderful. When you go on a vacation you want it to be some place that your kids can see others like themselves and connect.

Absolutely wonderful share.

Thanks:)

[MUHAMMAD ADEEL]

Is this yet another example where muslim lives an isolationist lifestyle. Whats wrong with using existing facilities. It is no wonder why the kuffar see us in negative way. We look for every opportunity to isolate ourselves.
:salam:
muslim in US are living an isolationist lifestyle. can you plz explain it how?
and what makes halal to swim and uncovered the face when non mahram are around.


It is no wonder why the kuffar see us in negative way. We look for every opportunity to isolate ourselves.
so this kind of activity makes positive impact on kuffar?
i didn't expect this kind of post from you.

[MUHAMMAD ADEEL]

How many non muslim friend do you have? How many non muslim neighbour you have a good relationship with (if you are sick or they are sick, one bothers to visit them). Preffering to stay a ghetto based on relegion, race and ethenic origing. The tendency to demand facilities that can't be done without?
I am fed up with Desifi and Arabisation!! Hence I agree with many of the EDL rehtorics. The immigrant should know this is not hindu, Jewish and Muslim country.
Allahualam
may i ask you that why you chose non muslim country to live your whole life?
you didn't answer my previous question

muslim in US are living an isolationist lifestyle. can you plz explain it how?
and what makes halal to swim and uncovered the face when non mahram are around.


so this kind of activity makes positive impact on kuffar?

[MUHAMMAD ADEEL]

Bismillah
In non european countries, people are vieing with on another in being superficial and their releigious understanding Beside scholars are generally pathetic. I prefer to work with european over muslims and non westerner in general. Being surrounded by Pakistanis, Bangalis is suffcating due to their backward tendency.
Allahualam

ok now i understand you are modern hanafi

[abd7861]

Bismillah
In non european countries, people are vieing with on another in being superficial and their releigious understanding Beside scholars are generally pathetic. I prefer to work with european over muslims and non westerner in general. Being surrounded by Pakistanis, Bangalis is suffcating due to their backward tendency.
Allahualam

:salam:

Brother Nomadic I understand that you have certain issues with people of South Asian descent due to the amount that their indigenous culture has pervaded their lives including their Deen. However, if these same brothers developed Deeni consciousness and learned to separate their culture from their Deen then insha'Allah you will not be mentioning these issues. Pray for guidance from Allah Ta'ala for them, for me and for yourself.

I am unsure as to whether I am making a correct judgement here but your tone is sounding decidedly biased against people of Asian descent. Is this sentiment truly a Deeni one or is there some personal issue clouding your judgement? If it is a Deeni one then alhumdulillah but if not then fear Allah Ta'ala for making comments that you will be unable to vindicate.

:ws:

[abd7861]

:salam:

Brother Nomadic I can just about see where you are coming from. However, Islam has nothing to do whether you are coming from the middle class, working class or high class. It is reported in authentic narrations that the people with the least wealth will enter Jannah 70 years before the rest. Normally these poeple would be classed as the ones from poor economic backgrounds. The issues that I see that you have with poeple from South Asian descent is because of a lack of Islamic Aadaab and akhlaaq. As you state even practicing Muslims are guilty of the same. This is not relegated to only South Asian Muslims but is a general malaise affecting the Ummah.

Whatever class a Muslim is from as long as he develops Taqwa and brotherhood with his fellow Muslims Insha'Allah many of the problems will vanish. Akhlaaq is not restricted to people from the middle classes. There is grave danger in stating that religion has flourished from educated middle class. Islam flourished due to men and women who were filled with Taqwa and Deen not their respective 'class.'

Surah Hujurat 49:13 O men! Behold, We have created you all out of a male and a female, and have made you into nations and tribes, so that you might come to know one another. Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of God is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him. Behold, God is all-knowing, all-aware.

:ws: