The Truth about the Number of Rak‘ahs in Tarawih

[Saad]

The Truth about the Number of Rak‘ahs in Tarawih (http://deoband.org/2010/08/fiqh/salah-fiqh/the-truth-about-the-number-of-rak%e2%80%98ahs-in-tarawih/)

In recent times there has been a growth in the number of lay people who, influenced by a certain ideology, claim that the tarawih consists of only eight rak’ahs rather than the established twenty rak’ahs. There is, therefore, a need to discuss the tarawih prayer, which is a special type of salah (ritual prayer) only offered in Ramadan.The practice of performing tarawih in eight rak’ahs is in total contrast to the practice of the Ummah throughout the ages. Given the fact that tarawih is an emphasized sunnah (sunnah muakkadah), this issue should not be treated lightly. A staunch approach in opposition to this baseless view needs to be adopted, including highlighting the abhorrence of opposing the view of the majority (jamhur) and the sin of habitually abandoning an emphasized sunnah.

Read the entire article... (http://deoband.org/2010/08/fiqh/salah-fiqh/the-truth-about-the-number-of-rak%e2%80%98ahs-in-tarawih/)

[Ahmad_shakeel]

salam,

so praying 8 onlyy and leavin 12 is sinful?....

[moriz4u]

The Truth about the Number of Rak‘ahs in Tarawih (http://deoband.org/2010/08/fiqh/salah-fiqh/the-truth-about-the-number-of-rak%e2%80%98ahs-in-tarawih/)

In recent times there has been a growth in the number of lay people who, influenced by a certain ideology, claim that the tarawih consists of only eight rak’ahs rather than the established twenty rak’ahs. There is, therefore, a need to discuss the tarawih prayer, which is a special type of salah (ritual prayer) only offered in Ramadan.The practice of performing tarawih in eight rak’ahs is in total contrast to the practice of the Ummah throughout the ages. Given the fact that tarawih is an emphasized sunnah (sunnah muakkadah), this issue should not be treated lightly. A staunch approach in opposition to this baseless view needs to be adopted, including highlighting the abhorrence of opposing the view of the majority (jamhur) and the sin of habitually abandoning an emphasized sunnah.

Read the entire article... (http://deoband.org/2010/08/fiqh/salah-fiqh/the-truth-about-the-number-of-rak%e2%80%98ahs-in-tarawih/)

JazakAllah Brother Saad

[haya7]

salam,

so praying 8 onlyy and leavin 12 is sinful?....

according to what i've studied;
the ulama is of 3 opinions regarding tharaweeh;
1)one group says it consists of 20 rakahs,according to what the muhajireen and ansar practice.
2)the second group is of the opinion that it is 36 rakahs according to what was practiced during the time of umar ibn abdul-azeez(reported by ibn uyayna)
3)the third group sticks to the hadith which was reported by aishah(rad) that rasool(sal) never increased the number of tharweeh salah more than 13.(3 witr)

ibn thaimiyyah concludes and says"all these vievs are correct.so practicing any of these is not wrong.imam ahmed is of the same opinion.since rasool(sal) never stuck to a paticular number during ramadan in tharaweeh.
so basically we practice what the jumhoor(majority) practice(20 rakahs) but dont make a big issue if anyone practice a different opinion since everything is correct.until they claim what we practice is wrong!!!!
ALLAHU A'LAM!!:-)

[Colonel_Hardstone]

according to what i've studied;
the ulama is of 3 opinions regarding tharaweeh;
1)one group says it consists of 20 rakahs,according to what the muhajireen and ansar practice.
2)the second group is of the opinion that it is 36 rakahs according to what was practiced during the time of umar ibn abdul-azeez(reported by ibn uyayna)
3)the third group sticks to the hadith which was reported by aishah(rad) that rasool(sal) never increased the number of tharweeh salah more than 13.(3 witr)

ibn thaimiyyah concludes and says"all these vievs are correct.so practicing any of these is not wrong.imam ahmed is of the same opinion.since rasool(sal) never stuck to a paticular number during ramadan in tharaweeh.
so basically we practice what the jumhoor(majority) practice(20 rakahs) but dont make a big issue if anyone practice a different opinion since everything is correct.until they claim what we practice is wrong!!!!
ALLAHU A'LAM!!:-)

:ws:

There are two issues which need to be discussed:

Issue 1: Did Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) persisted with a specific number of Rakaat?

Issue 2: What is the Ijm'a of the Sahaba (RA)?



The Ijm'a of Sahaba (RA) is very clearly recorded for Taraweeh to be 20 Raka'aat. Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) and all others who insist Taraweeh to be 8 Rakaat ONLY are dead-wrong and act against the Ijma of the Sahaba.

20 Rakaat is also listed very clearly in Al-Mughni which is the relied upon text of the Hanbali Madhab because it is proven from the Sahaba (RA).

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/TaraveehPrayer.htm

Unfortunately the issue isn't trivial any longer because the proponents of 8 Rakaat are actually deny Ijma of the Sahaba (RA) which is serious business.

:jazak:

[haya7]

:ws:

There are two issues which need to be discussed:

Issue 1: Did Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) persisted with a specific number of Rakaat?

Issue 2: What is the Ijm'a of the Sahaba (RA)?



The Ijm'a of Sahaba (RA) is very clearly recorded for Taraweeh to be 20 Raka'aat. Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) and all others who insist Taraweeh to be 8 Rakaat ONLY are dead-wrong and act against the Ijma of the Sahaba.

20 Rakaat is also listed very clearly in Al-Mughni which is the relied upon text of the Hanbali Madhab because it is proven from the Sahaba (RA).

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/TaraveehPrayer.htm

Unfortunately the issue isn't trivial any longer because the proponents of 8 Rakaat are actually deny Ijma of the Sahaba (RA) which is serious business.

:jazak:

jazakumullah alot colonel, i was nt aware of this.so in case some one prays 8 rakahs,im supposed to tel him its wrong,ur nt allowed to practice it etc is it?
Ne wayz im new here, so i dunno bt r ur a scholar colonel?sorry for asking if it is wrong to ask!:cheesygri

[Khali]

:salam:

I wonder who did call this salaat for the first ''tarawih'' ? Anybody knows this ?

:ws:

[ILM_Sika]

Excuse me, I been reading 8 I was told it's alright to do so, omg either you guys or jokers or I need to look more into this, I think the later one is the one which needs more attention to aheem.. -_-

[a_muslim]

:salam:

Who is Shaykh Mohammed H. Abasoomer???

[Usman]

:salam:

I wonder who did call this salaat for the first ''tarawih'' ? Anybody knows this ?

:ws:

Sunnan Bayhiqi (Kubra) Vol 2 , Pg 496,Pg 497 , from Syyidina Ali Radhi Allahu anh


Excuse me, I been reading 8 I was told it's alright to do so, omg either you guys or jokers or I need to look more into this, I think the later one is the one which needs more attention to aheem.. -_-

http://www.4shared.com/audio/NhdSMIHK/04-bayan-usman.html?dirPwdVerified=9119a7aa

[outofplace_12]

Looking at the authenticity of the Ahadiths ,
the Prophet -Peace Be Upon Him- Prayed only 11 Rak'ats and on the other narration 13 Rak'ats.
Though the Salafs and the people who came after his generations added some Rak'ats and as we can see now its already 20.
Are they doing Bid'Ah?
No , i believe that they know and understand more than we do the proofs.
Still the only Hadith that they hold on to is " SALATUL-LAYL MATHNA MATHNA" << Night Prayers are 2 and 2 <<
Also , it is not mentioned that theres a limit in the Rak'ats of Tarawih.
and as we all know TARAWIH since considered as night prayers.
And to my observation , you can only find 20 Rak'ats in the 2Masjids ,Haram-al-Makki and MADANI.
Im referring to the Masjids here in Saudi Arabia.

About the Athars and the opinion of the Salafs and the generations that came after them,
it only makes things handy but its not a form of a proof to hold on to.
"Qawlur-rijal yustadallu laha la yustadallu biha"
Words of men are treated as a guide not as a proof.

At the END sunnah is still the best which is 11 and 13 and i acknowledge the 20 for the stated HADITH..

--Just saying my part .. ALLAH Knows Best. :-)

[Usman]

Looking at the authenticity of the Ahadiths ,
the Prophet -Peace Be Upon Him- Prayed only 11 Rak'ats and on the other narration 13 Rak'ats.
Though the Salafs and the people who came after his generations added some Rak'ats and as we can see now its already 20.
Are they doing Bid'Ah?
No , i believe that they know and understand more than we do the proofs.
Still the only Hadith that they hold on to is " SALATUL-LAYL MATHNA MATHNA" << Night Prayers are 2 and 2 <<
Also , it is not mentioned that theres a limit in the Rak'ats of Tarawih.
and as we all know TARAWIH since considered as night prayers.
And to my observation , you can only find 20 Rak'ats in the 2Masjids ,Haram-al-Makki and MADANI.
Im referring to the Masjids here in Saudi Arabia.

About the Athars and the opinion of the Salafs and the generations that came after them,
it only makes things handy but its not a form of a proof to hold on to.
"Qawlur-rijal yustadallu laha la yustadallu biha"
Words of men are treated as a guide not as a proof.

At the END sunnah is still the best which is 11 and 13 and i acknowledge the 20 for the stated HADITH..

--Just saying my part .. ALLAH Knows Best. :-)

Thanks for sharing your part, yet, your part means nothing in Islam. I've already mentioned, as other brothers have, that Taraweeh cannot be 8 rakaat. What you've mentioned is "11" or "13" accounts to Tahajjud, because there's mention of Ramadhan as well as Ghayr Ramadhan. Taraweeh is recited only "IN RAMADHAN" and not outside of it. There are various proofs that Taraweeh is not the same as tahajjud as well, but I won't go into it.

Secondly, Taraweeh is Sunnah, Tahajjud is Nafil ( Wa minal layli Tahajjad bihi nafilah ), while as per hadeeth, Qiyaam in Ramadhan is "Sunnah".

Ironically, you mention 11 and 13 against 20, while 11 and 13 include witr, while 20 doesn't. Means, something is wrong with your understanding over here as well. Since you're already accepting that you don't have as much understanding of the Texts as the salaf, yet consider yourself better, I won't go into further details of that as well. I suggest, you listen to the audio I've posted and look more closely.

You mentioned you've lived in Saudia, well, in that case, please explain the masdar of Taraweeh. For your ease, here's a hint :

Tarweeha (1)
Tarweehatayn/Tarweehataan (2)
Taraweeh /Tarweehaat ( 3 - 10 )

Therefore Taraweeh could be between 12 - 40 . Sine there's no proof of 12 or 40, rather 20, therefore Taraweeh is 20. We are not supposed to follow Shaadh or Mudhtarib narrations opposed to what has gained Talaqqee bil Qubool from the Ummah and the four madhabs. Of course, since Saudis are full of arrogance and believe they know about Islam better than the Salaf, yet claim to be Salafis, I won't blame you if you lean towards their understanding and leave the salaf alone in this, even Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullah) and Ibn Abdul Wahab (Rahimahullah ).

Ramadhan is almost over, and Taraweeh are almost finished too. If you back hurts, feel free to flee after 8, but don't blame it on the Salaf that they changed the Prophet's (SAAW) sunnah.

wasSalaam

[speedy]

This issue is clearest example of how wrong these salafis are. It is so clear what is understanding of the salaf and and whole ummah in this matter yet they claim to understand which hadith to apply better than even the Sahabah.

[a_muslim]

:salam:

Who is Shaykh Mohammed H. Abasoomer???

anybody

[Usman]

anybody

As far as I remember, he's one of the Muftis who answer in Askimam.org website, probably from Darululoom Azaadville or In'amiyah ( Camperdown ).

[a_muslim]

As far as I remember, he's one of the Muftis who answer in Askimam.org website, probably from Darululoom Azaadville or In'amiyah ( Camperdown ).


:salam:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?41917-Shaykh-Mohammed-ibn-Haroon-Abassomer
:ws:

:jazak:

[e-iqra]

Assalamu Alikum

dear brothers plz visit this link (http://www.e-iqra.info/islami-months/taraaweeh-issues) to read book about status of 20 taraweeh.

wassalaam