Malikis: "It is disliked for a mu'adhdhin to overly embellish or sing the adhan"?

[Omar HH]

Assalam Alaykum,

I was reading on Sister Ustadha Aisha Bewely's website and I read:

[NOTE: It is disliked for a mu'adhdhin to overly embellish or sing the adhan.]

What does singing the adhan constitute? If we sing it like they do in Syria or other places in the middle east - does that count as singing?

Jazakallahu Khayrun

[nauk]

Isn't it considered melody?

[Shaykhs-Pir Sahib]

salams

all i know is, if you go to masajid in morocco - no melodious adhan, and no melodious recitation in the imam's recitation during prayer. it may sound dull, in fact it makes a nice change, and is somewhat delightful to the ear. it is said that this is how it was done in madinah - i.e. amal - Allah knows best

[Omar HH]

Hmm.. the Guiding Helper has it!

http://guidinghelper.com/mp3/gh_appendix.mp3

Just go 1/2 way through it.

They might read the Arabic different but thats because Shaykh Abu Qanit is a master of Arabic as well and knows how to read it the way it originally was read.

[Ibn Umaysh]

as salamu alaikum

Not just in the Maliki madhab- it is little known even for the Hanafis.

In fact, Mulla Ali Al Qari RA complained about the adhaans in the Holy Cities according to my teacher.

The adhaan, like the Qur'an, has the rules of recitation to it. If you pronounce letters incorrectly, you haven't called it properly. The elongations of the letters- through the madd- is something that is often overlooked, so you have people singing the adhan. There is even a story of Umar RA saying he dislikes someone due to the fact that his adhaan is too melodic if I am not mistaken.

wasalaam

Abdullah

[Travelleress]

As salaamu 'alaykum,


[NOTE: It is disliked for a mu'adhdhin to overly embellish or sing the adhan.]

I'm wondering if there is a similar ruling which applies to reciting the Qur'an?

Wasalam,

[Omar HH]

As salaamu 'alaykum,



I'm wondering if there is a similar ruling which applies to reciting the Qur'an?

Wasalam,

I heard that once from a Salafi website I think.

But Rasul Allah :saw: has a hadith about saying the Qur'an in a nice tone. Does anyone know it?

[KEUNIT]

I heard that once from a Salafi website I think.

But Rasul Allah :saw: has a hadith about saying the Qur'an in a nice tone. Does anyone know it?
If I'm not mistaken, that is called Tajweed and it isn't singing at all.

[Sunni_Student786]

Hmm.. the Guiding Helper has it!

http://guidinghelper.com/mp3/gh_appendix.mp3

Just go 1/2 way through it.

They might read the Arabic different but thats because Shaykh Abu Qanit is a master of Arabic as well and knows how to read it the way it originally was read.


Bro, what do you mean by Shaykh Abu Qanit knowing "how to read it (Arabic) as it originally was read? How is it read differently these days, if at all?

[majhul]

Assalam alaikum.

Shaykh Hamza quoted Sidi Ahmed Zarruq in Track 14 (chapter on bid'ah) of "The Poor Man's Book of Asistance" saying that singing the adhan is disliked for Malikis. He also mentioned that Sayyidina Umar (radi Allahu anhu) said to someone who sang the adhan that I hate you for the sake of Islam.

[Kareem]

Assalam alaikum.

Shaykh Hamza quoted Sidi Ahmed Zarruq in Track 14 (chapter on bid'ah) of "The Poor Man's Book of Asistance" saying that singing the adhan is disliked for Malikis. He also mentioned that Sayyidina Umar (radi Allahu anhu) said to someone who sang the adhan that I hate you for the sake of Islam.
he (ra) said he HATED the person for the sake of Islam? that sounds really harsh :( or is it taken out of context?

[lumumba_s]

As'salamu 'alaykum,

Singing the adhan is indeed makruh in the Maliki school. The over embellishment that is done in places like Egypt, Syria and even Saudi Arabia, would be considered makruh to the Malikis, although I highly doubt that even the Shafi'is would consider of no consequence someone who calls the adhan is such a matter that the actual words of the adhan are changed. However, many of the people in Morocco call the adhan in daraja, a local dialect, which has the effect of changing the meaning. Although the 'ulama have commented on the mistake, they do not deem it to be invalid.

As far as the Qur'an is concerned, the same applies to it. There is a difference between tajwid and singing. I would be suprised if the 'ulama said that singing it was anything but haram, though I don't know the official ruling.

[laughinglion]

:salam:

Discussion on singing/beautifiying the Qur'an with ones voice, fromthe Tafsir of Imam al-Qurtubi :rahim: http://bewley.virtualave.net/ulum1.html

To trill or over elaborate the notes of the adhaan or when reciting Qur'an is makruh according to the `amal.

With Peace

[lumumba_s]

As'salamu 'alaykum,

I think there is a difference between "singing" the Qur'an and beautifying it with your voice. The Qur'an has a natural melody and rules to recitation. However, what I understand by "singing" is someone unfamilair with the rules of tawjid and/or Arabic, particularly converts, reciting in a manner as if they were singing in a church choir or R&B song, which I have heard people do. Like the way some people over embellish in singing the adhan. That is what I was referring to, not beautifying the recitation as the Egyptians are famous for doing so well, or even their method of calling the adhan that does not contradict the rules of Arabic grammar.

[laughinglion]

As'salamu 'alaykum,

I think there is a difference between "singing" the Qur'an and beautifying it with your voice. The Qur'an has a natural melody and rules to recitation. However, what I understand by "singing" is someone unfamilair with the rules of tawjid and/or Arabic, particularly converts, reciting in a manner as if they were singing in a church choir or R&B song, which I have heard people do. Like the way some people over embellish in singing the adhan. That is what I was referring to, not beautifying the recitation as the Egyptians are famous for doing so well, or even their method of calling the adhan that does not contradict the rules of Arabic grammar.

:salam: Lumumba_s, not to disagree with you, because it seems you have more knowledge of the subject than I, but are there not historical examples of some Maliki `ulama picking out particularly the Egyptians for censure in these matters? For instance in the link I posted al-Qurtubi seems to come out against the trilling of notes. I ask in order that you may be able to fill in the details (confirm or deny).

With Peace

[lumumba_s]

:salam: Lumumba_s, not to disagree with you, because it seems you have more knowledge of the subject than I, but are there not historical examples of some Maliki `ulama picking out particularly the Egyptians for censure in these matters? For instance in the link I posted al-Qurtubi seems to come out against the trilling of notes. I ask in order that you may be able to fill in the details (confirm or deny).
With Peace

As'salamu 'alaykum,

I don't know. I guess so. The Moroccan 'ulama "censure" the Malikis for not pronouncing it correctly as well, which I think I mentioned. But I find it hard to imagine that anyone made inkar of the official mu'adhhin of any masjid.

[Omar HH]

Yeah well it's makruh not haram,

I am going to stick with the sung Adhans if I ever become a Muadhin LOL.

Anyways there probably isn't 100% agreement in the Maliki school but maybe there is wa Allahu `Alam.