Why can't god become a human being?

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Why can't god become a human being?

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Question: Why can't god become a human being?
Speaker: Dr. Zakir Naik
Event: Similarities between Hinduism & Islam
Venue: Mumbai, India

Who is Dr. Zakir Naik?
A medical doctor by professional training, Dr. Zakir Naik is renowed as a dynamic international orator on Islam and Comparative Religion. Dr. Zakir Naik clarifies Islamic viewpoints and clears misconceptions about Islam, using the Qur'an, authentic Hadith and other religious Scriptures as a basis, in conjunction with reason, logic and scientific facts. He is 37 years old.Dr. Zakir is popular for his critical analysis and convincing answers to challenging questions posed by audiences after his public talks. In the last 6 years (by the year 2002), Dr. Zakir Naik has delivered more than 600 public talks in the U.S.A., Canada, U.K., Saudi Arabia, U.A.E., Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, South Africa, Mauritius, Australia, Malaysia, Singapore, Hongkong, Thailand, Guyana (South America) and many other countries, in addition to numerous public talks in India. He has successfully participated in several symposia and dialogues with prominent personalities of other faiths. His public dialogue with Dr. William Campbell (of USA), on the topic, “The Qur’an and the Bible in the light of Science” held in city of Chicago, U.S.A., on April 1, 2000 was a resounding success.

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[Yahya Ibn Sal]

I dont think the Word Cannot, and the Lord of the worlds, Should be put together because it is putting limits on Allah unto which has no limits. Rather, It is more befitting to say Allah wont.

For instance can the pope become a gangster rapper? Yes, But would he? No.
Can God do whatever he wants? Yes, Would he do certian things If that thing would not be befitting to his almight majesty? No.

[ahsanirfan]

I dont think the Word Cannot, and the Lord of the worlds, Should be put together because it is putting limits on Allah unto which has no limits. Rather, It is more befitting to say Allah wont.

For instance can the pope become a gangster rapper? Yes, But would he? No.
Can God do whatever he wants? Yes, Would he do certian things If that thing would not be befitting to his almight majesty? No.

that's flawed reasoning.. that's like saying that a square can become a circle but it does not chose to become one....

[IlyasLahoz]

and even more specifically:


Excerpts of a Subha by Shaykh Nuh Keller

"You said that he is not subnipitent to any of his creatures, 2 of which are time and space, we of which are bound by time and space. Does this not debunk the Christian theory of God becoming a man?"

"This is exactly the proof of the Muslims for the absurdity of Allah being Jesus or being any of the Hindu avatars, or being this rock that I hold in my hand that I consider God, or being any thing else for example, on the part of the Mushriks (associaters with God)... they have confined Allah (SWT) to a particular locus... and he is absolutely free of need of anything created, where as something that was 2 meters tall like Isa (Jesus) was (a.s.)...

Why can't Allah (SWT) simply incarnate himself in Jesus if he can do anything? The reason is the Qudra (power) of Allah (SWT) cannot connect itself to anything impossible. Can Allah (SWT) commit suicide? The answer is that the question is meaningless. "Can" in the form of the question, in the form of the verb that I used "could" Allah (SWT) do this, okay, this "could' only connects with things that are in principle possible. It's as meaningless as if you ask "could Allah (SWT) create a square circle?" "could Allah (SWT) create a 4 sided triangle", all of these questions are meaningless... and all the atributes of Allah (SWT) has a daira, has a sphere in which all of the things that are under it enter into. And the daira of Qudra, the daira of ability of the divine omnipotence is only connected with things that are possible. As for things that are impossible, they don't enter into it.

Such as what? Such as Allah (SWT) ending himself, could Allah (SWT) decide not to be? The answer is no, because the Qudra does not relate to impossibilities, this is a tenetive faith of Ahlul Sunnah.

Could Allah (SWT) create himself in the womb of Maryam (A.S.) the answer is no, its impossible. Why? Because its impossible that Allah (SWT) can lose any of his perfections. Allah (SWT) is perfect and if he were to lose any of his perfections he would no longer be God, which is impossible. So Qudra... is the way things are, for the person who says "could Allah (SWT) create a square circle" does not know what he means. If you ask him what he means... he does not know what he means it, it's just a jumble of words, it doesn't mean anything so as the Qudra of Allah (SWT) could connect to it.

Simmiliary God becoming Man does not mean anything, it is a contradiction in terms. It would either be a God or a Man. 2 essences? How can 2 essences be exactly the same thing?... "I'm a man and a horse" do you believe that?

[Yahya Ibn Sal]

I dont care what reasoning you bring, Nor what thoughts you have on the matter. Rather It is beyond what we think. Because God can do whatever God chooses to do.

In surah ibrahim 14-27 it says in the english translation of the quran- "and allah does whatever he wants"

Dont take me for saying allah would do this or allah would do that. Rather allah says in another verse in the english translation "There is nothing similar to him"ashoora 42-11

Allah ta ala is the all capable, And the Most wise. Our wisdom is nothing compared to his.
Allah does not need from us anything, rather we need from him everything.
He is all knower.
Truly allah would NOT do certian things which HE has no need to do. Nor would he do certian things just for his creation that in turn would belittle himself.
But it is not good for us to set limits to ALLAH and say he cant, even if by doing this we think in actuallity we are making ALLAH better, or defining him better then what He himself as said. We know ALLAH is perfect, We know he would not be born into a virgina of a women, or have the need to be a human, a roach or otherwise. Rather just leave it as how it is in the Quran and sunnah, and not start saying things that really have no benefit. Because Allah does not need for us to put limits on him just to define what he himself has defined in his names and attributes or on the tounge of his prophet-alayi salaatu wa salaam.

[ahsanirfan]

I dont care what reasoning you bring, Nor what thoughts you have on the matter. Rather It is beyond what we think. Because God can do whatever God chooses to do.

In surah ibrahim 14-27 it says in the english translation of the quran- "and allah does whatever he wants"

Dont take me for saying allah would do this or allah would do that. Rather allah says in another verse in the english translation "There is nothing similar to him"ashoora 42-11

Allah ta ala is the all capable, And the Most wise. Our wisdom is nothing compared to his.
Allah does not need from us anything, rather we need from him everything.
He is all knower.
Truly allah would NOT do certian things which HE has no need to do. Nor would he do certian things just for his creation that in turn would belittle himself.
But it is not good for us to set limits to ALLAH and say he cant, even if by doing this we think in actuallity we are making ALLAH better, or defining him better then what He himself as said. We know ALLAH is perfect, We know he would not be born into a virgina of a women, or have the need to be a human, a roach or otherwise. Rather just leave it as how it is in the Quran and sunnah, and not start saying things that really have no benefit. Because Allah does not need for us to put limits on him just to define what he himself has defined in his names and attributes or on the tounge of his prophet-alayi salaatu wa salaam.

nobody is setting limits on Allah.... read what is being said.. there is a difference between setting limits and defining a sphere of possibility...

[Yahya Ibn Sal]

It does not matter if i read it or not.

Because Anything is Possible to Allah regardless if we have the ability to comprehend it or not. He can, He has the Ability. Whatever word you use You are still saying Allah CANT. And What i am saying is that Allah CAN, But In some cases will NOT. Its a slight difference But its meaning is a drastic Division between The Power of Allah, having no limits, and being able to do everything and anything He Chooses. And this is From His Asma wa sifat in his words, in his Quran. If you find in the Quran or hadith Allah cant then i will believe you.
Can allah make a square circle? If Allah willed to rip out your throat Change your vocal cords, Give you a new langauge called Askaapppaap, Change the earths size and shape and call it a circle but to our limited comprehension of the reality of what Allah made it it might in reality be a square. Then yes Allah can do whatever he wants how ever he wants, But there are some things he will not do in because He the mighty and majestic has no need to do, Nor does he need to subject him self to disgusting, Belittling situations.

[IlyasLahoz]

Salaam 'alaikum sidi Yahya,

The thing is you're saying that Allah can do anything He wills to His creation. But Allah's being is completely different from creation and therefore impossible that it become part of creation.
you've made what is commonly known as a category mistake; that is, you equate contingent being with necessary being, thus blurring a very real demarcation between the two.
follow- Men, (like our master 'Isa -alayhi salaam) are created, they are contingent upon Allah's creative act and should that act cease, they too would cease to exist. their existence, then, is not necessarily so. Allah on the other hand is by necessity and is contingent upon nothing, since in reality nothing else exists except through His act of creating it.
as this may not be suffciently clear, i will attempt to summarize:
1. Allah must be (necessary being)
2. all else is only through Allah's creative act (contingent being)
3. that which Allah creates (bodies, spirits, time, space, clouds and the like)
is of a radically different nature than He.
4. Allah is separate not just from this world but from all of creation. He is outside of it, most absolutely and can never be contained in it the way a human is.