How do hifdh tests work?

[layman]

:salam:

How many mistakes are you allowed to make? How many times are you allowed to 'be stuck' and at the end still be regarded as a hafidh?

If you say no mistakes are allowed then how much of the Qur'an has to be read like this in one sitting?

[waafiya]

:ws:

Really depends on the one testing you.

One of my teachers tolerated no mistakes, another one tolerated 3 (without her prompting, I could get stuck three times in different places but then had to correct myself) for any given amount I recited (be it for the day or for a quarterly exam).

[Sulaiman84]

:salam:

For new sabaq/wajib that's from memory, it's best not tolerate one mistake, even if it's a lahn khafiyy mistake.

I've seen some of my asaatidhah be a little more lenient with older muraja'ah though. They had this one tarteeb when you finished a juz in your saff you had to go to a different teacher and read that entire juz to him without any mistakes. If one mistake was made, you would have to read the page before and after the mistake 10-25 times. The process was called tantheef (cleaning).:lol:

I wonder if they still have that tarteeb. Poor guys:$

[a_muslim]

:salam:

For new sabaq/wajib that's from memory, it's best not tolerate one mistake, even if it's a lahn khafiyy mistake.

I've seen some of my asaatidhah be a little more lenient with older muraja'ah though. They had this one tarteeb when you finished a juz in your saff you had to go to a different teacher and read that entire juz to him without any mistakes. If one mistake was made, you would have to read the page before and after the mistake 10-25 times. The process was called tantheef (cleaning).:lol:

I wonder if they still have that tarteeb. Poor guys:$

:ws:

What does "sabaq/wajib" and "muraja'ah" mean?

[Sulaiman84]

:ws:

What does "sabaq/wajib" and "muraja'ah" mean?

Sabaq and wajib are words used for someone's newly memorized lesson. The Indian subcontinent use one and the Arabs use the other.

Muraja'ah means revision. I think the Urdu word that's used is Dur.

[a_muslim]

Sabaq and wajib are words used for someone's newly memorized lesson. The Indian subcontinent use one and the Arabs use the other.

Muraja'ah means revision. I think the Urdu word that's used is Dur.

Alright, :jazak:. Dhor is what Indians/Pakistanis's use for revision.

Do Arabs and other non-Indians have the same sort of system for hifdh that Indians/Pakistanis/Bengalis use. Meaning the sabaq, then sabaq para (urdu word, dunno the arabic) and then dhor.

[motheroftwo]

Depends really if it is for an ijaza exam , then literally no mistakes. whether khafi or jali.

if the person is reciting a page to me then i expect no mistakes. if the person makes a big mistake in recitation then that means that he has failed the test that can be a single mistake.

if the person makes a small mistake things like ghunna mad etc then i have note this down and tell them after they finish the page.

if the person is having an exam on the entire quran then the verses that come back often in many surah come back, the tongue twisting ones , the tajweed testing ones.

if the persos can pass all these exams then he or she gets an ijaza.

As for student who i am teaching on a regular basis then i do not allow them to leave the classroom when i am teaching them without having heard their recitation . this ensures that the following day when the recite infront of me they do not make these mistakes

[Sulaiman84]

Alright, :jazak:. Dhor is what Indians/Pakistanis's use for revision.

Do Arabs and other non-Indians have the same sort of system for hifdh that Indians/Pakistanis/Bengalis use. Meaning the sabaq, then sabaq para (urdu word, dunno the arabic) and then dhor.

From my limited experience in both Arab and Desi Madaris, at the end of the day it's basically the same thing with minor differences in the terminology and application.

Both had the same system essentially. The way Tajwid was taught/learned/applied was slightly different.

Like in the sub Indian continent, a kid would usually do naathirah of the Qur'an and memorize juz tabaarak and 'amma then start from Al-Baqarah while, in my experience, Arabs start from 'amma, tabaarak, qad sami'a and memorize the rest from the back of the Qur'an.

[Sulaiman84]

Just another thing, an effort should be made that no mistakes be let to pass whether big or small, but especially with lahn jaliyy (clear errors). As the Ulama have said that it's haram to make lahn jaliyy on the condition that the reciter is aware of lahn jaliyy and no effort is being made to correct it.

There are basically four ways lahn jaliyy can happen:

1) Adding a letter
2) Omitting a letter
3)Changing a letter
4) Changing a vowel (harakah)

Murshidul-Qari (http://www.duai.co.za/downloads/murshid1.pdf) on page 10.

A teacher should never allow these mistakes to pass.

[meelash]

Maybe this is self-evident, but on a personal level, I feel we should hold our ownselves to a standard which is appropriate to the status of Allah and his kalaam- so I would not be satisfied to consider myself a hafidh until I could recite from anywhere in the Qur'aan with no mistakes- such that if there were no paper copies of the Qur'aan left in the world, it would be possible for new ones to be written accurately from my recitation.

With regards to others, then some leniency and overlooking is in order, along with gentle prompting to make an effort to eliminate mistakes. Although, I must admit, sometimes husn-e-zhann is difficult for me on seeing the liberal application of the title "hafidh". Just in the past week, I was at a function where a young man, introduced as "hafidh" so-and-so to do tilaawah, was having difficulty and making mistakes while reading a few aayaat from the mushaf! Not even from memory, and I was watching him practice for at least an hour before hand.... :confused: :confused: :confused:


If the question is with regards to what is necessary to receive some official accreditation, then that will depend on the particular school/teacher. But I guess that shouldn't be the ultimate goal, anyway...

[meelash]

From my limited experience in both Arab and Desi Madaris, at the end of the day it's basically the same thing with minor differences in the terminology and application.

Both had the same system essentially. The way Tajwid was taught/learned/applied was slightly different.

Like in the sub Indian continent, a kid would usually do naathirah of the Qur'an and memorize juz tabaarak and 'amma then start from Al-Baqarah while, in my experience, Arabs start from 'amma, tabaarak, qad sami'a and memorize the rest from the back of the Qur'an.

Is it true that in the Arab method, instead of students reading individually and then getting tested, the teacher will read the day's aayaat many times with the students all repeating? In other words, instead of being visual, the learning is more auditory?

I had heard something like this from someone and seemed to observe it from a Moroccan hafidh that I know.

[Sulaiman84]

Is it true that in the Arab method, instead of students reading individually and then getting tested, the teacher will read the day's aayaat many times with the students all repeating? In other words, instead of being visual, the learning is more auditory?

I had heard something like this from someone and seemed to observe it from a Moroccan hafidh that I know.

I think that's more of an African method. I've experienced more leaning towards auditory with those from African countries like Morocco and Somalia.

The problem with that is it becomes difficult when Ayaat are forgotten or need to be checked.

From my exposure with the Arab, they had visual learning as well.

[UmmRumaysaa]

salaams, for those of us without a Quran teacher to test us, you could try www.QuranTracker.com
I use it for myself and my kids, it's free to use and great to visually see how you are doing. You can mark ayahs using a colour coded system to show how well you've memorised it...alhamdulillah i've found it the next best thing to having a teacher!

[motheroftwo]

African method is one where you memorise the Quran from the mouth of your shaykh/a and write the ayaat that you will memorise on a piece of wood and memorise the wriiting and the oral aspect.

this is how i first memorised Warch and qaloon in Mauritania

[sammyk]

the tests i hav had are where the teacher/exminer reads a couple of ayats and you continue to read.
or there is another way where you are given a page to learn for about a minute then tested on it by heart

these r the ones i have been givven
i hope ive helped