Help with Allegations against Tableeghis and Shaykh al Hadith

[al_Zayn]

:salam:

I would like all the Learned Brothers on this topic to help me combat this nonsense attirbuted to the Ulama of Deoband and especially Shaykh al Hadith, preferrebly Br Abu Tamim, Br Saad, Colonel Sahib, Br Abulayl can help me.

He are the allegations made:

1]

((Whoever wants something from anyone should go to his grave and supplicate to Allaah for it))

2]

"Sh. Abu Khair Qattah said that: I went to Madeenah and stayed there for five days but did not achieve the pleasure and satisfaction. I went to the graves of the Prophet, Hadhrat Abu Bakar and Hadhrat 'Umar and said, "O Messenger of Allaah I am your guest tonight." Then I left the place and slept behind the minbar. I saw in my dream that the Prophet of Allaah with Abu Bakar on his right, 'Umar on his left and 'Alee was in front of them all. Hadhrat 'Alee then shook me and said that the Messenger of Allaah has come to visit me. I got up and kissed the Prophet between his eyes. The Messenger of Allaah then gave me a piece of bread which I ate half and when I woke up the other half was in my hand."

3]

"Minhaj al-Hasanat quotes the book 'Fajr Munir' by Ibn Fakhafi that one very pious "buzurg" (literally meaning elder, but should be understood as Pir) by the name of Moosaa Darir who narrated his incident that: I was once aboard a ship which began to sink. At the point slumber overtook me and the Messenger of Allaah visited me in that state and taught me to instruct the people of the ship to recite durood (sending salutations on the Prophet) 1000 times. We had only recited it 300 times that the ship regained stability."


When a ship is sinking, do its passengers feel like sleepy or are in a state of panic. This story can be excused that its only a dream


3]
I ask the scholars of Deobandh and the entire Tableeghi Jamaat: Has the rescue missions of the Prophet stopped or do they continue to this day. Why does he not come to the rescue of the Muslims of Kashmir, Palestine and Chechnya? I ask the Tableeghis that where was the Prophet when 'Umar was martyred, when 'Uthmaan was martyred and when 'Alee was martyred?

4]


1) The Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) kisses an insane Soofi (Fadhaa.il Durood, Incident no - 42, p.102)


2) Muhammad (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) descends from the sky on a cloud with a piece of bread in his hand in order to feed his "pious followers." (Fadhaa.il Durood, Incident no - 48, p.110)


3) The Messenger of Allaah, the seal of the Prophets (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) plucks hair from his beard and gives it to a dying man in order to cure him. (Fadhaa.il Durood, p.110, incident no - 48)


a) alive in his grave and listens to us;


b) has the knowledge of the unseen.


5]
"Maulana Jami once set out for Hajj and had the intention to stand near the grave of the Messenger of Allaah and recite poetry over the grave. Upon completion of the Hajj, he set out for Madeenah. The Ameer of Madeenah saw the Prophet in his dream and the Prophet instructed him to prevent Jami from coming to Madeenah. The Ameer tightened security but zeal and "Ishq" (note: the word Ishq is used for that love which is accompanied with lust!) for visiting the Prophet had completely overtaken him and he continued his way to Madeenah. The Ameer again saw the Prophet in his dream and instructed him not to let Jami in. The Ameer scrambled his men and arrested Jami. He was manhandled and thrown into prison. The Ameer then saw the Prophet for the third time and informed the Ameer that he (Jami) is no criminal but he had composed a few lines of poetry which he intended to recite over my grave and had he done so (i.e able to recite the poem over the grave) my hand would have come out of the grave to greet him and this would have caused fitnah. Hence, Jami was taken out of prison with honour and respect bestowed upon him."

6]

Muhammad Zakaria continues: "I have no doubt in listening to this story but my weak memory and illness fails me to recall in which book it is recorded. If anyone from the readers comes across the story in any book during my life time then please inform me and if after my death, then please add the reference at the bottom of the story as a footnote."

Astaghfi-rullaah! What shameless, deliberate lies! Had Zakaria no guilt or fear of fabricating such tremendous lies and attributing it to the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) in the pathetic manner that he has done above? He says he cannot remember which book it is in?! And then invites his followers to inform him if he is mistaken?! Then why narrate it in the first place - making a clear lie upon the Messenger (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) - let alone what it contains of misguidance!!


((There will come at the end of time, Dajjaals, Liars, who will come to you with ahaadeeth that neither yourselves nor your forefathers will have heard of. So beware and beware of them, lest they cause you to go astray and be put to trial)), [Saheeh Muslim and Musnad Ahmad, it is Saheeh]


7]
"It has been reported from a number of companions and from amongst them Hadhrat Uthman, Hadhrat Abu Hurayrah, Hadhrat Anas, etc. in different wordings that there are some people who possess the ability of Kashf. They can feel the sins being committed by people. Therefore the story of the Imam of the world Hadhrat Abu Haneefah is famous that he used to stand outside the Masjid of Koofah and see the sins of the people fall out as they performed wudu." (Kandalvi continues): It has also been reported from Hadhrat Uthman that the Prophet said:
((I saw a madman who was being pelted with stones by little children. I threatened to punish them to which they replied that he (i.e. the madman) claims to see Allaah. I went near him and heard that he was murmuring something. I listened carefully and heard that he was saying, "You did well that you saved me from those children." I said that they accuse you of the claim that you see Allaah. He screamed and said, "Shibli! By the One in whose love I am in this condition, if He was to be absent even for a second from my sight I would be torn into pieces by the grief of separation." Saying this he turned away and uttered two lines of poetry which meant, "Your Face remains in front of my eyes, your dhikr is on my tongue and your home is my heart, where can you disappear?))

8]
"Sh. Abu Yazeed Qurtubi said that, "I had heard that whoever recites La ilaha illalla 70,000 times he will be freed from the hellfire. Having heard this I completed one "nasab" (meaning 70,000 times La ilaha illalla) for myself and also finished many other "nasabs" as stock for the hereafter. Near to us there used to live a young man about whom it was famous that he is from the people of Kashf and also the matters of Hellfire and Paradise are revealed to him. One time he happened to eat with us when he uttered a scream and began to breath heavily and said that his mother is burning in hell.

(Kandalvi writes): Qurtubi said that as I was watching his bewilderment that a thought came to my mind that I should transfer one of my nasab (70,000 times La ilaha illalla) to his mother so that it will also confirm the honesty of the young man. So I transferred my one nasab to his mother. Nobody knew that I had recited this nasab or transferred it to his mother but Allaah but the young man said, "Uncle, my mother has been relieved from the fires of hell."

(Kandalvi continues):Qurtubi says that from this incident I benefitted twice. One was the baraka of the 70,000 times recitation and the other was the honesty of the young man." (Kandalvi further says): This is just one incident. Nobody knows how many other such incidents are found among the men of this ummah.

Allaahu Akbar! This is plain folklore. Stories taken from pagan scritptures of Hindus and "Islamisized" and then smuggled into the ummah under guise of virtue of 70,000 times of Dhikr. The knowledge of unseen ascribed to some young pir who does not even have a name and stressing on the lie that there might be many others who have such ability!

There are lies by wholesale in this book and the limitation of space does not permit us to go into detail but a brief outline will be beneficial inshaa.-Allaah:
9]
1) A certain "buzurg" starts praying in his grave as soon as he is laid inside after his funeral!" (Fadha'il Namaaz, p.64/64)




2) A man (supposedly a sahabi) is brought back to life by the praying of his wife even though his soul was taken out by the angels. (Fadha'il Namaaz, p. 10/9)



3) Propaganda of family planning! (Fadha'il Namaaz, p. 12/11)




4) Imam Ahmad used to pray 300 rakahs in one day. (Fadha'il Namaaz, p. 65/64)




5) A certain "buzurg" used to pray 1000 rakahs in one day. (Fadha'il Namaaz, p.81/80)


6) Another "buzurg" prayed for 12 days with one wudu and did not lie down for 15 years! (Fadha'il Namaaz, p. 64/62)
10]
The "Holy Huzoor" said: "When Adam sinned and was expelled out of Jannah, he used to cry all the time and pray for forgiveness. One time he looked towards the heavens and said, "O Allaah! I ask for your forgiveness by the wasila of Muhammad." Revelation came down upon him and it was asked, "Who is Muhammad (with whom you have used wasila and asked for forgiveness?)" Adam replied, "When you created me, I saw it was written on the Arsh "There is none worthy of worship except Allaah and Muhammad is His Messenger. So I understood that who could be greater than Muhammad whose name you have added to your name." It was said to him, "He is the seal of the Prophets and is among your sons and had he been not created you would have also not been created."
11]
Kandalvi, not to be outdone by his Shaykhs in "virtue" composes some very poetry of Kufr himself and is available for free viewing at the end of Volume I of Fadha'il 'A'maal. The following are addressed to the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam):

"I am bad, I am evil, I am a sinner,
but I am yours...
Your dog even finds my name repulsive,
but the attachment of your name to mine
has bestowed my honour.
You are the best of creation,
I am worst of ignorants.
You are the master of the two worlds,
and I am the lowly servant.
If you don't ask us then who will?
Who except you is our protector?
With fear is my boat of hope alive,
that my name be counted amongst the dogs of Madinah!"


Take your time Ikhwan.

I request the mods to mae this sticky please, because internet is getting loaded with allegations against Shaykh al Hadith and Fadhail Amal

:jazak:
ws:

[abulayl]

Take your time Ikhwan.
70% of it had been dealt before in fadhaile amal related thread.

[Talib84]

Assalamu Alaikum

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?29176-Objections-on-Fazail-e-Aamal-Answered-by-Darul-uloom-Deoband/page2

[al_Zayn]

70% of it had been dealt before in fadhaile amal related thread.

Can the remaining be asnwered???
:jazak:

[al_Zayn]

Assalamu Alaikum

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?29176-Objections-on-Fazail-e-Aamal-Answered-by-Darul-uloom-Deoband/page2

I will look into this.

:jazak:
:ws:

[abulayl]

Can the remaining be asnwered???
:jazak:
:salam: people with aqal, will get the rest 30% answered automaticly. Those whom Allah didnt give any aqal, for them with 100% answer will bring nothing.

[Sulaiman84]

:salam:

Yeah, at the end of the day it really depends on who Allah :taala: has given aql or not.

'Abdullah Ibn Umar ma:anhu: narrates that Rasulullah :saw: said: Everything is destined, even mental weakness and intelligence.

(Muslim)

[maneatinglizard]

:salam:

So reporting that Imam Ahmad :rahma: prayed a lot is a bad thing now?

Or are they just jealous that their Imams are too busy calling people away from the Sunnah al-Mu'akkadah prayers to bother themselves with Nafl Salah?

[Abu Dajanaa]

:salam: people with aqal, will get the rest 30% answered automaticly. Those whom Allah didnt give any aqal, for them with 100% answer will bring nothing.

:ws: sometimes i wonder why ppl go all out to defend something. our intention shd always to be arrive at the truth.

[godilali]

:ws: sometimes i wonder why ppl go all out to defend something. our intention shd always to be arrive at the truth.

:salam:

Yes; people seem to operate on the premise that all the contents of this book are true and any objections raised to it can only stem from a deficient intellect or misguidance.

To the tablighi bros: why do you guys insist on using this particular book? Don't you feel that there is better material out there that is both more authentic and enjoys a wider acceptance amongst the Muslims? Isn't the objective of jamat to be as inclusive as possible and focus on the fundamentals on which we all agree, so wouldn't it be better to use material that does not alienate other Muslims?

[Abu Dajanaa]

:salam:

Yes; people seem to operate on the premise that all the contents of this book are true and any objections raised to it can only stem from a deficient intellect or misguidance.


:ws: sometimes, i am scared to post on this thread as I can get verbally attacked.

Some of them do use Muntakhab Hadith.

[rqsnnt]

:ws: sometimes i wonder why ppl go all out to defend something. our intention shd always to be arrive at the truth.

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

It is a perfect example of TAQLID. Actually i was very wonder when i read some pages of following book
The JAMAAT TABLEEGH and the Deobandis (http://www.*********/tjonline/index.html)


Salam

[Sulaiman84]

:salam:

To the tablighi bros: why do you guys insist on using this particular book? Don't you feel that there is better material out there that is both more authentic and enjoys a wider acceptance amongst the Muslims? Isn't the objective of jamat to be as inclusive as possible and focus on the fundamentals on which we all agree, so wouldn't it be better to use material that does not alienate other Muslims?

:ws:

I don't think it's about insisting on using a particular book as it is ghair muqallids and laa madhhabiyyah blowing these things outta proportion. The tarteebs of the work of da'wah and tabligh is just a small part in a much bigger picture of what alienates them. You have Madhaahib, Tasawwuf, the institution of Deoband and most things related to them that they object to.

Those books are not the only ones that are in the syllabus anyway yet they make a big deal out of it. The same objectionable tune is there with the Arab tarteeb as well. One Emirati in da'wah told me once that a salafi asked him why he read riyadhus saliheen so much, as if something is wrong with Imam Nawawi's :rahma: book. Ajeeb!

As for inclusivity, the methods of da'wah and tabligh are among the best that I've seen. When making ikhtilat with people, do it pleasently and don't get into major or even minor ikhtilaf. When giving a bayan, don't go outside the 6 point, unless you're an 'Alim. When meeting Ulamaa, don't make their tashkeel but ask for du'a and advice. Make effort to unite and not divide the ummah, and much more.

It's one book that's part of a syllabus that has many books that are read mostly when in Jama'ah, whereas it's made to look like it's the only book that's (supposed to be) read, in and outside Jama'ah.

These objections from them are just the tip of the iceberg. Then again, you have salafis who actively go out in Jama'ah and still hold firm to their positions. How much more inclusive can it get?:lol:

[bugmenot]

:salam: to all,

I have to buy some popcorns because I'm getting the smell of a combat in this thread to be enjoyed!

This should not be a muslim's reaction.

[abulayl]

:salam:
Yes; people seem to operate on the premise that all the contents of this book are true
:ws:
until laymen get knowledge about science of hadith, they think everything is true.


To the tablighi bros: why do you guys insist on using this particular book?

virtue related any books are encouraged.in fazaile related in sub continent none mention worthy book was present.


Don't you feel that there is better material out there that is both more authentic and enjoys a wider acceptance amongst the Muslims?

the books is accepted amongst the muslims, except salafis. And to work with them, you got carry the "salafi" signboard. till then they will "refute" you till the death.


so wouldn't it be better to use material that does not alienate other Muslims?
those who wanna work with ummah, they coopearate with every opputurnity. the arabs doesnt read FA, but riyadus salihin and targhib wa tarhibtype of books. Those who had zeal to work for ummah, they find ways, those who dont, they stay stuck smewhere always.

It is a perfect example of TAQLID.
the perfect example of taqlid is you and me reading and beleiving everyting without knowing arabic and trusting the translotrs. more perfect example than this isnt present

[Zahed]

:salam:

Yes; people seem to operate on the premise that all the contents of this book are true and any objections raised to it can only stem from a deficient intellect or misguidance.

:ws:

Dear brother,
You should know, those books are nothing but compilations of the books of our ancient authentic Shaykh, Sufi and Ulema.
So it isn't absurd which you are claiming.



To the tablighi bros: why do you guys insist on using this particular book? Don't you feel that there is better material out there that is both more authentic and enjoys a wider acceptance amongst the Muslims?

Brother, imho you should make your concept clear before saying such things.
This book is kept as common for all to retain uniformity. There are other books also which to be read personally. Beside these books Muballigh brothers also read those books themselves you've intended to mean.



Isn't the objective of jamat to be as inclusive as possible and focus on the fundamentals on which we all agree, so wouldn't it be better to use material that does not alienate other Muslims?

Shaykh Zakariyya R.A. had foresight about this issue. Hence he didn't include any controversial matter in the book. It was written in such a way that muslims of all Madhahib, all Silsilah, educated or illiterate, 'Alim or ghair 'Alim could be benefitted.

:jazak:

[Zahed]

:salam: to all,


This should not be a muslim's reaction.

:ws:

Brother,
beside anger, humour is also necessary.

[al_Zayn]

:salam:

@ godilali

The whole point of starting this thread was the allegations made against the Ulama of Deoband / TJ's / and More specifically Shaykh al Hadith by the usage of Fadha'il A`maal, i am not saying there can't be room for improvement, nor am i saying everything in the book is all Authentic.

I just want an answer to all the criticism raised against them.

Ikhwan, Please before this thread gets derailed can anyone put together something answering the allegations i posted in the 1st thread?

I would make an effort (and i know by skimming through it some could be answered), but i seriously have no time on my hands.

But i prefer those who know the answers with their daleels can put in good written format so it can easily readable for others.

Thats why i am counting on the names i posted in the 1st post.

:jazak:
:ws:

[abulayl]

I would make an effort (and i know by skimming through it some could be answered), but i seriously have no time on my hands.

thats why you also shouldnt give time to objectors to bring objection infront of you.

[al_Zayn]

thats why you also shouldnt give time to objectors to bring objection infront of you.

Yes, Akhi.

:jazak:
:ws:

[maneatinglizard]

:salam:

I believe Colonel Saheb has the required info in his signature.

[Zahed]

:salam:

Bhai Al-Zayn,

I think it may be helpful for you:

(post #6 of Colonel Hardstone):

www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?66049-Tablighi-Jamaat-Exposed-Who-is-this-great(!!!)-scholar/page1

[rqsnnt]

:ws:
......
the perfect example of taqlid is you and me reading and beleiving everyting without knowing arabic and trusting the translotrs. more perfect example than this isnt present

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Very nice example brother abulayl. That's why i download from most trusted site & when i start reading following question raised in my mind

a) Is't ok?
b) Is translation ok?
c) Is source ok?
e) Does translator know original language of translated book?


Translation

14) When the green dome of the mosque comes into sight, remember the Nabi (Sallaho Alaihe
Wassallam) rank of honor and exalted position. Let the mind remember that underneath that Dome lies buried he who is more exalted than any other being, the sire among the Prophets; he who is more exalted then even the angels. His grave is more exalted than any part of the earth and the portion adjacent to his Holy body is even more exalted than the Ka'bah itself; more even than the throne (arsh), the kursi; even more than any other place in heaven and on earth. (Lubbab)

Page : 91 of 178

Source (http://www.central-mosque.com/sunnah/fazaile_hajj.pdf)


Salam

[rqsnnt]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

I took following form 1# post of this thread



"I am bad, I am evil, I am a sinner,
but I am yours...
Your dog even finds my name repulsive,
but the attachment of your name to mine
has bestowed my honour.
You are the best of creation,
I am worst of ignorants.
You are the master of the two worlds,
and I am the lowly servant.
If you don't ask us then who will?
Who except you is our protector?
With fear is my boat of hope alive,
that my name be counted amongst the dogs of Madinah!"


I got following in Fazail-E-Durood_VirtuesOfBlessingsOnProphetSallallahuAlaihi Wasallam.pdf
Translation is not exactly same but very close


Sinful and bad though I am, I am still yours.
Yes, I am insignificant, but despite this, I am still your servant.
Indeed it is an insult that my name be attached to the dogs of your city,
But honour for me lies in my being attributed to your noble being.
You are the best of all the creation, and indeed I am the worst.
Whilst you are the leader of both worlds, I am nothing but a worthless servant.
For many days have I yearned to express my feelings to you,
If I could possibly find a way to your blessed presence.
But where the sky is even lower than the doorstep
How can the destitute Qāsim even pass by there?
Allāh has bestowed you with the most exalted status.
Leader of all has He crowned you.
Who is there to care for us if even you do not give us your attention?
Who else can we turn to, to listen to our grief?
The dog of Satan pursues me,
My lowly desires hang around my neck like a snake.
Amidst the waves of hope and fear do I cling to the ship of hope,
That I also be considered amongst the dogs of Madīna.


Page: 215 of 217

Source (http://www.islamibayanaat.com/EnglishLiterature/Fazail-E-Durood_VirtuesOfBlessingsOnProphetSallallahuAlaihi Wasallam.pdf)


Is this doorud ok?
Is translation ok?

Salam

[SY1]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

I took following form 1# post of this thread




I got following in Fazail-E-Durood_VirtuesOfBlessingsOnProphetSallallahuAlaihi Wasallam.pdf
Translation is not exactly same but very close



Page: 215 of 217

Source (http://www.islamibayanaat.com/EnglishLiterature/Fazail-E-Durood_VirtuesOfBlessingsOnProphetSallallahuAlaihi Wasallam.pdf)


Is this doorud ok?
Is translation ok?

Salam

I thought this was from Maulana Qasim Nanotwi's qasidah?? its a poem not a durood.

[abulayl]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Very nice example brother abulayl. That's why i download from most trusted site & when i start reading following question raised in my mind
:ws:
The book is written in bangla, get that.


e) Does translator know original language of translated book?no, he had an accident crush, and after that he start to speaking the language. Like happend in chech republich, though the girl were beginner student of german language, but after crash, she spoke the langauge nearly perfect.


His grave is more exalted than any part of the earth and the portion adjacent to his Holy body is even more exalted than the Ka'bah itself; more even than the throne (arsh), the kursi; even more than any other place in heaven and on earth. (Lubbab) There were some ulama like qadi ayyadh and so on mentioned that there is an ijma about this, though its not the fact. As this isnt even minor deal with aqeedah, believing and not beliving, isnt big deal.

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=2987&CATE=108

[rqsnnt]

I thought this was from Maulana Qasim Nanotwi's qasidah?? its a poem not a durood.

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Ok.


Sinful and bad though I am, I am still yours.
Yes, I am insignificant, but despite this, I am still your servant.
Indeed it is an insult that my name be attached to the dogs of your city,
But honour for me lies in my being attributed to your noble being.
You are the best of all the creation, and indeed I am the worst.
Whilst you are the leader of both worlds, I am nothing but a worthless servant.
For many days have I yearned to express my feelings to you,
If I could possibly find a way to your blessed presence.
But where the sky is even lower than the doorstep
How can the destitute Qāsim even pass by there?
Allāh has bestowed you with the most exalted status.
Leader of all has He crowned you.
Who is there to care for us if even you do not give us your attention?
Who else can we turn to, to listen to our grief?
The dog of Satan pursues me,
My lowly desires hang around my neck like a snake.
Amidst the waves of hope and fear do I cling to the ship of hope,
That I also be considered amongst the dogs of Madīna.

Is this poem ok? i mean meaning is ok?

Salam

[abulayl]

Is this poem ok? i mean meaning is ok?

Salam:ws: the way i understood it, it shows the love of ummah which prophet(sw) had for us and did care for us.

[rqsnnt]

:ws: the way i understood it, it shows the love of ummah which prophet(sw) had for us and did care for us.

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu


Who is there to care for us if even you do not give us your attention?


What is the meaning of CARE FOR US in this poem?
Salam

[SY1]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Ok.



Is this poem ok? i mean meaning is ok?

Salam

Why not? This is written by someone who is torn in the love of the Prophet Sallalahu Alayhi Wassalam. Its expressions, words, grief, emotions. He is expressing destitute, sorrow and grief for he believes himself to be the lowest of the low and then reflects on the highest of all human beings our Prophet Sallalahu Alayhi Wassalam to have been given the greatest stature amongst men. He then goes onto the phrase which you highlight in bold to state that if you turn away from me then what will happen to me.

The point which you mention is in a poetic sense. However taken into context if you were in a gathering with the blessed Prophet Sallalahu Alayhi Wassalam then what is wrong with what he is saying? People imagine scenario's alot of times, such as im going to go home today and do this, if my mum was alive i would do this, if I was with my father today i would do this.

When you give salam the Prophet Sallalahu Alaihi Wassalam replies with salam, and should he not reply to you then what is there really there for you in life? think about it. If your mother shuns you and has disowned you how can you boast of having parents and being someones son? if an employer sacks you then how can you claim to be employed.....

[abulayl]

What is the meaning of CARE FOR US in this poem?
SalamCare is care. You gotta read a lot of litarature about poems, which will help you to understand those to understand in academic discussion. laymen doesnt need as they get love via it, like me and all other. "Mistake hunters" stuck always with any kind of word.thats nothing new.

[SY1]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

I took following form 1# post of this thread




I got following in Fazail-E-Durood_VirtuesOfBlessingsOnProphetSallallahuAlaihi Wasallam.pdf
Translation is not exactly same but very close



Page: 215 of 217

Source (http://www.islamibayanaat.com/EnglishLiterature/Fazail-E-Durood_VirtuesOfBlessingsOnProphetSallallahuAlaihi Wasallam.pdf)


Is this doorud ok?
Is translation ok?

Salam

But where the sky is even lower than the doorstep
The dog of Satan pursues me,
My lowly desires hang around my neck like a snake.
That I also be considered amongst the dogs of Madīna.

All those statements above brother...
How can the sky be lower than the doorstep?
What does satans dog look like? never heard of such a being
How are desires turned into snakes?
Why would someone want to be a dog?

All those statements are used figureatively.

[Usman]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu



What is the meaning of CARE FOR US in this poem?
Salam

Some one asked Muhammad Joona Garhi sahib about a poem by Waheeduz Zaman Hyderabaadi " Ya Qaadhi-e-Shaukaan madaday , ya waali-e-dauraan madaday".

Ml. Joona Garhi said in a part of his response "Someone who is known to be a muwahid, is some doubtful words do come from him, then it will be Wajib to take the lawful meaning of that, instead of the possible unlawful one." ( Siraj-e-Muhammadi , Page 7 , Printed from Ahle Hadees Maktaba Muhammadiyah , Karachi )

The translation of Allamah Waheeduz Zamaan (Ghair Muqallid)'s couplet is : " Help me O Qaadhi Shaukan(i) , Help me O guardian of the era!".

['Abdullaah]

:salam:

@ the original poster,

1. It might be better to get in touch with the brothers you mentioned in your post privately, and get the clarifications. Discussions like this on an open forum usually do not provide full answers (because threads get closed, bickering starts, etc)

2. Some of the questions/allegations are based on the premise of "How is this possible? This sounds superficial". It is therefore very important to first establish whether the various supernatural events are even possible or not. This is an aqeedah issue. So I would suggest you get in touch with a scholar and get an understanding of this part of aqeedah on "karamaat/supernatural feats" of auliya. This is an established part of Islamic aqeedah. If you study the details of it a little bit, 90% of the questions you have will be clarified automatically, inshaAllaah. (i.e. what is karamaat; can anyone have it; what are the conditions, etc)

3. We keep making du'a that Allaah keeps us guided and away from surrounding fitnah from both Muslims and non-Muslims. InshaAllaah we try reading the following du'a:

اللهُمَّ أَرِنَا الحَقَّ حَقّاً وَارْزُقْنَا التِبَاعَةَ وَأَرِنَا البَاطِلَ بَاطِلاً وَارْزُقْنَا

اجْتِنَابَهُ، بِرَحْمَتِكَ يَا أَرْحَمَ الرَّاحِمِينَ.

Allahumma arinal-haqqa haqqan warzuqnat-tiba'ah, wa arinal-batila batilan warzuqnaj-tinabah, bi rahmatika ya arhamar-rahimeen.

O Allah! Let us see the good as good, and bless us with following it. And show us the falsehood as falsehood, and bless us with staying away from it, with Your mercy, O Most Merciful!

And Allaah knows best.
:salam:

[Abu_Tamim]

Salaam 'alaykum brother Zayn.
You can take my email id from the mods and we can talk about this in detail in private. WS.
Abu Tamim.

[al_Zayn]

Salaam 'alaykum brother Zayn.
You can take my email id from the mods and we can talk about this in detail in private. WS.
Abu Tamim.

:ws

Can the Mods please pass over Janab Abu Tamim's Email Add please??

[Zahed]

:salam:

@ Brother Al-Zayn:

Have you checked it?:



(post #6 of Colonel Hardstone):

www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?66049-Tablighi-Jamaat-Exposed-Who-is-this-great(!!!)-scholar/page1

[rqsnnt]

Care is care. You gotta read a lot of litarature about poems, which will help you to understand those to understand in academic discussion. laymen doesnt need as they get love via it, like me and all other. "Mistake hunters" stuck always with any kind of word.thats nothing new.

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

That's why i wanted to know more what is CARE here. Please give extra CARE while u wanted to make some thing clear to who don't understand .



Salam

[Usman]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

That's why i wanted to know more what is CARE here. Please give extra CARE while u wanted to make some thing clear to who don't understand .



Salam

Some one asked Muhammad Joona Garhi sahib about a poem by Waheeduz Zaman Hyderabaadi " Ya Qaadhi-e-Shaukaan madaday , ya waali-e-dauraan madaday".

Ml. Joona Garhi said in a part of his response "Someone who is known to be a muwahid, is some doubtful words do come from him, then it will be Wajib to take the lawful meaning of that, instead of the possible unlawful one." ( Siraj-e-Muhammadi , Page 7 , Printed from Ahle Hadees Maktaba Muhammadiyah , Karachi )

The translation of Allamah Waheeduz Zamaan (Ghair Muqallid)'s couplet is : " Help me O Qaadhi Shaukan(i) , Help me O guardian of the era!".

[rqsnnt]

Some one asked Muhammad Joona Garhi sahib about a poem by Waheeduz Zaman Hyderabaadi " Ya Qaadhi-e-Shaukaan madaday , ya waali-e-dauraan madaday".

Ml. Joona Garhi said in a part of his response "Someone who is known to be a muwahid, is some doubtful words do come from him, then it will be Wajib to take the lawful meaning of that, instead of the possible unlawful one." ( Siraj-e-Muhammadi , Page 7 , Printed from Ahle Hadees Maktaba Muhammadiyah , Karachi )

The translation of Allamah Waheeduz Zamaan (Ghair Muqallid)'s couplet is : " Help me O Qaadhi Shaukan(i) , Help me O guardian of the era!".


As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Can some one tell us is't permissible to say now for an answer of a question

Allah and His Messenger know best

Salam

[FususAlHikam]

:salam: people with aqal, will get the rest 30% answered automaticly. Those whom Allah didnt give any aqal, for them with 100% answer will bring nothing.

abu is right man. just let em go clear ur mind, these ppl are not worth losing your focus on Allah swt over.

[rqsnnt]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Any one?

Can some one tell us is't permissible to say now for an answer of a question

Allah and His Messenger know best

Salam

[abulayl]

Can some one tell us is't permissible to say now for an answer of a question

Allah and His Messenger know best

:salam: ulama says that always.
As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

That's why i wanted to know more what is CARE here. Please give extra CARE while u wanted to make some thing clear to who don't understand .

:salam: read sirah of prophet(Sw) you will understand the CARE of prophet(sw) for his ummah

[godilali]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Any one?

Can some one tell us is't permissible to say now for an answer of a question

Allah and His Messenger know best

Salam

wswrwb,

'Umar radiallahu 'anhu uses this statement in the famous Hadith of Jibril:

Also from 'Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, there is that he said, "While we were sitting with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless with him and grant him peace, one day a man came up to us whose clothes were extremely white, whose hair was extremely black, upon whom traces of travelling could not be seen, and whom none of us knew, until he sat down close to the Prophet, may Allah bless with him and grant him peace, so that he rested his knees upon his knees and placed his two hands upon his thighs and said, 'Muhammad, tell me about Islam.' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless with him and grant him peace, said, 'Islam is that you witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and you establish the prayer, and you give the Zakat, and you fast Ramadan, and you perform the hajj of the House if you are able to take a way to it.' He said, 'You have told the truth,' and we were amazed at him asking him and [then] telling him that he told the truth. He said, 'Tell me about iman.' He said, 'That you affirm Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day, and that you affirm the Decree, the good of it and the bad of it.' He said, 'You have told the truth.' He said, 'Tell me about ihsan.' He said, 'That you worship Allah as if you see Him, for if you don't see Him then truly He sees you.' He said, 'Tell me about the Hour.' He said, 'The one asked about it knows no more than the one asking.' He said, 'Then tell me about its tokens.' He said, 'That the female slave should give birth to her mistress, and you see poor, naked, barefoot shepherds of sheep and goats competing in making tall buildings.' He went away, and I remained some time. Then he asked, 'Umar, do you know who the questioner was?' I said, 'Allah and His Messenger know best.' He said, 'He was Jibril who came to you to teach you your deen'." (Sahih Muslim)

[Usman]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Can some one tell us is't permissible to say now for an answer of a question

Allah and His Messenger know best

Salam


Do you agree with what Allama Joonagarhi said ?

[rqsnnt]

wswrwb,

'Umar radiallahu 'anhu uses this statement in the famous Hadith of Jibril:

Also from 'Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, there is that he said, "While we were sitting with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless with him and grant him peace, one day a man came up to us whose clothes were extremely white, whose hair was extremely black, upon whom traces of travelling could not be seen, and whom none of us knew, until he sat down close to the Prophet, may Allah bless with him and grant him peace, so that he rested his knees upon his knees and placed his two hands upon his thighs and said, 'Muhammad, tell me about Islam.' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless with him and grant him peace, said, 'Islam is that you witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and you establish the prayer, and you give the Zakat, and you fast Ramadan, and you perform the hajj of the House if you are able to take a way to it.' He said, 'You have told the truth,' and we were amazed at him asking him and [then] telling him that he told the truth. He said, 'Tell me about iman.' He said, 'That you affirm Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day, and that you affirm the Decree, the good of it and the bad of it.' He said, 'You have told the truth.' He said, 'Tell me about ihsan.' He said, 'That you worship Allah as if you see Him, for if you don't see Him then truly He sees you.' He said, 'Tell me about the Hour.' He said, 'The one asked about it knows no more than the one asking.' He said, 'Then tell me about its tokens.' He said, 'That the female slave should give birth to her mistress, and you see poor, naked, barefoot shepherds of sheep and goats competing in making tall buildings.' He went away, and I remained some time. Then he asked, 'Umar, do you know who the questioner was?' I said, 'Allah and His Messenger know best.' He said, 'He was Jibril who came to you to teach you your deen'." (Sahih Muslim)


As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Brother my question is, NOW (After death of our prophet) it's permissible to say Allah and His Messenger know best after an answer?

Salam

[Usman]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Brother my question is, NOW (After death of our prophet) it's permissible to say Allah and His Messenger know best after an answer?

Salam

do you agree with what Allaama JoonaGarhi said?

[rqsnnt]

do you agree with what Allaama JoonaGarhi said?

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

My agree or not agree will depend on ur answer of my Question?

I think Brother Mufti Hossain may help us to know,NOW (After death of our prophet) it's permissible to say Allah and His Messenger know best after an answer?

Salam

[Usman]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

My agree or not agree will depend on ur answer of my Question?

I think Brother Mufti Hossain may help us to know,NOW (After death of our prophet) it's permissible to say Allah and His Messenger know best after an answer?

Salam

Do you agree with Allama JoonaGarhi what he said in Siraj-e-Muhammadi?

[Sinner#1]

Salaam 'alaykum brother Zayn.
You can take my email id from the mods and we can talk about this in detail in private. WS.
Abu Tamim.

Sorry to interrupt guys..this is only for brother Abu Tamim.

Brother..pls. look at post# 23 & 31 of below thread..Are u an Indian??

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=553540#post553540


Do let bro Abu_Tamim know about this, he'll be very happy.

[Zahed]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu


:ws: Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh



My agree or not agree will depend on ur answer of my Question?

Then why do you ask this type of questions to the members of an open forum whom you don't care?



I think Brother Mufti Hossain may help us to know,NOW (After death of our prophet) it's permissible to say Allah and His Messenger know best after an answer?

Salam

What's the difference between Prophet S.A.W before and after death? He is the Prophet till Qiyamah.

PS: There are a plenty of wise Ulama in every region of Bangladesh. When you become confused, clarify from them in stead of creating fitna in this open forum.

[rqsnnt]

:ws: Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh



Then why do you ask this type of questions to the members of an open forum whom you don't care?



What's the difference between Prophet S.A.W before and after death? He is the Prophet till Qiyamah.

PS: There are a plenty of wise Ulama in every region of Bangladesh. When you become confused, clarify from them in stead of creating fitna in this open forum.

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu


Then why do you ask this type of questions to the members of an open forum whom you don't care?

I need the answer if any one can provide.


What's the difference between Prophet S.A.W before and after death? He is the Prophet till Qiyamah.

Did i told after his ( Prophet death) his is not Prophet? Ur answer is irrelevant here. Question was very simple, NOW (After death of our prophet) it's permissible to say Allah and His Messenger know best after an answer?



PS: There are a plenty of wise Ulama in every region of Bangladesh. When you become confused, clarify from them in stead of creating fitna in this open forum.

Brother do u think answer may cause Fitna?

Salam

[Usman]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu



I need the answer if any one can provide.



Did i told after his ( Prophet death) his is not Prophet? Ur answer is irrelevant here. Question was very simple, NOW (After death of our prophet) it's permissible to say Allah and His Messenger know best after an answer?




Brother do u think answer may cause Fitna?

Salam

Do you agree with what Allama Joonagarhi said ?

[Salman_Hanafi]

:mash:....brother Usman is counting his posts on tasbih :p.....keep it up bro....its the best way to bang your head against the wall...

[NeednoName]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Brother my question is, NOW (After death of our prophet) it's permissible to say Allah and His Messenger know best after an answer?

Salam

Waaleykum'Assalaam Wa Rehmatullahi Wa Barakah!


Do you take answers from outside the Ahadith? If not, then pay heed to the hadeeth posted by Br. Godil Ali and stop asking Muqallids for their answers and opinions as they matter least to you lot.

[rqsnnt]

Waaleykum'Assalaam Wa Rehmatullahi Wa Barakah!


Do you take answers from outside the Ahadith? If not, then pay heed to the hadeeth posted by Br. Godil Ali and stop asking Muqallids for their answers and opinions as they matter least to you lot.

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Calm down brother.

I didn't want any reference where is mentioned Allah and His Messenger know best. I wanted to know now can we use Allah and His Messenger know best after any fatwa or
opinion?

I observed .askimam.org & saw And Allāh knows best after fatawa or Opinion, Now is't OK if we say Allah and His Messenger know best instead of Allāh knows best after Fatwa or Opinion?

Salam

[Abu_Tamim]

Sorry to interrupt guys..this is only for brother Abu Tamim.

Brother..pls. look at post# 23 & 31 of below thread..Are u an Indian??

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=553540#post553540

:salam: brother. Yes, I am from Bombay. I saw those posts. If you wish you can carry those books or else whichever books that you are comfortable with and read them in your infiradi time. Wa salam.

[Zahed]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu



I need the answer if any one can provide.

:ws: Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh

There are many websites where you can ask those questions and scholars will answer along with references.



Did i told after his ( Prophet death) his is not Prophet? Ur answer is irrelevant here. Question was very simple, NOW (After death of our prophet) it's permissible to say Allah and His Messenger know best after an answer?


At first prove- Prophet S.A.W is "dead" like ordinary people.



Brother do u think answer may cause Fitna?

I understand what you are intending to mean. You want to prove this sentence as Shirk. Right?

[ahamed_sharif]

Assalamu alaykum.

We believe that Rasulullah Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam is alive in his qabr.

If our friend says otherwise we give up. If he thinks that only bones are left under the green dome then let us start the discussion on that first.

Our ulema say it is not permissible to say "assalatu wassalamu alyaka YAA rasoolullah" at any other place other than near the qabr-e-athar of Rasulullah alayhi wa sallam. So let us start our discussion on this first.

[Usman]

it's better not to answer his jibberish. You answer one question, he'll pose twelve more. I've only asked a simple yes-or no, and he's not answering. Doesn't this explain about his mindset?

[Abu_Tamim]

http://truelife200vi.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/objections-of-fazail-e-amaal-and-their-answers/#comment-4572
:ws:
:jazak:

[Zahed]

http://truelife200vi.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/objections-of-fazail-e-amaal-and-their-answers/#comment-4572
:ws:
:jazak:

:salam:

Dr. Saab, perhaps you are passing your busiest period. Aren't you? Moulana Junaid Saab has opened a thread recently named -"jazakallah dr. abu tamim". If you don't read it, you'll miss a lot of pleasure!

[rqsnnt]

Assalamu alaykum.

We believe that Rasulullah Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam is alive in his qabr.

.....


As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Sahaba used to say Allah and His Messenger know best when prophet was among them.

Now can we say Allah and His Messenger know best as an answer of a question although Messenger is not among us ?

Salam

[Ayaaz]

Assalamu alaykum.

Our ulema say it is not permissible to say "assalatu wassalamu alyaka YAA rasoolullah" at any other place other than near the qabr-e-athar of Rasulullah alayhi wa sallam. So let us start our discussion on this first.

Assalamoualaikoum

You are sure about that. From what I've learnt it can be said if you believe that the salaam is being conveyed to the Rasoolullah (saw) by angels.

And Allah knows best

Ayaz

[Abu_Tamim]

:salam:

Dr. Saab, perhaps you are passing your busiest period. Aren't you? Moulana Junaid Saab has opened a thread recently named -"jazakallah dr. abu tamim". If you don't read it, you'll miss a lot of pleasure!

:ws: bro Zahed.
I have read that thread(which mercifully has been blocked now). I would like to thank you and all the other brothers, particularly Mawlana Junaid for all your kind comments. Allah knows that I am not worthy of even a tiny fraction of all the praise that was heaped on me in that thread. Only the part about "violent attacks" was true. WS.

[ahamed_sharif]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Sahaba used to say Allah and His Messenger know best when prophet was among them.

Now can we say Allah and His Messenger know best as an answer of a question although Messenger is not among us ?

Salam

Assalamu alaykum

I repeat my earlier post. This is because we don't want to end our discussion here. We would like to know you believe in hayat of Rasulullah Salallahu alayhi wa sallam in his qabr-e-at-har.


We believe that Rasulullah Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam is alive in his qabr.

If our friend says otherwise we give up. If he thinks that only bones are left under the green dome then let us start the discussion on that first.

Our ulema say it is not permissible to say "assalatu wassalamu alyaka YAA rasoolullah" at any other place other than near the qabr-e-athar of Rasulullah alayhi wa sallam. So let us start our discussion on this first.

[abulayl]

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Sahaba used to say

Now can we say

:salam: neither Allah will come now to tell you the best nor prophet(sw) will come now to tell you the best.

your question is like in which country shaitan landed when he was kick out to earth. spend your time for profitble knowledge brother.

[ahamed_sharif]

Assalamu alaykum

Brother rqsnnt:


http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/verses/049-003.png

O ye who believe! raise not your voices above the voice of the Prophet, and speak not aloud to him, as you speak aloud to one another, lest your works become vain while you perceive not


This ayah is written on the roudah of Rasulullah Sallahu alayhi wa sallam. Can you please explain this.

If I say when scholars like Qari tayeeb sahib or his students are conversing with rasulullah please do not disturb.

shukran

[rqsnnt]

Assalamu alaykum

I repeat my earlier post. ...

As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Still i can't understand ur answer, that's why i m asking question again

Sahaba used to say Allah and His Messenger know best when prophet was among them.

Now can we say Allah and His Messenger know best as an answer of a question although Messenger is not among us ?

Yes or No?

Salam

[meelash]

:ws:

In Arabic the word "YAA" is used to address anyone who is present. For example, if I go near you and say- "Yaa Ayaz, kayfa 'haluka?"
it means-"Hey Ayaz how are you?" But from a great distance it can't be used. We often say-"Yaa Allah" because Allah :taala: is always present near us and everywhere.

Prophet :saw: is now present only in Madinah in his grave. So if anyone goes near enough of his grave and addresses by "Yaa", there is no problem. But if he stays far enough from his grave and addresses by "Yaa", it means that he is assuming the existance of Prophet :saw: near him like Allah :taala: (Na'udhubillah).

Of course angels carry every salaam to Prophet :saw: and he give answer to these everyday.
But in case of sending salaam from far of Prophet :saw:'s grave, no "Yaa" should be added.

And Allah :taala: knows the best.

:jazak:

السلام عليكم
Have you read or heard this from a scholar? Ya could also be used metaphorically and has been used as such in many poems of the akaabireen. Like you would say "Oh beautiful moon," in spite of it's not being present or capable of understanding your speech.

It is actually not the words but he belief behind them that is problematic. So I guess if any scholar speaks against saying such a thing it would be because of the widespread use by people of misguided beliefs.

[a_muslim]

Assalamu alaykum

Brother If I say when scholars like Qari tayeeb sahib or his students are conversing with rasulullah please do not disturb.


:ws:

What do you mean by this?

[Zahed]

السلام عليكم
Have you read or heard this from a scholar? Ya could also be used metaphorically and has been used as such in many poems of the akaabireen. Like you would say "Oh beautiful moon," in spite of it's not being present or capable of understanding your speech.

It is actually not the words but he belief behind them that is problematic. So I guess if any scholar speaks against saying such a thing it would be because of the widespread use by people of misguided beliefs.

:ws:

Sorry, mod. I'm a new learner of Arabic hence my knowledge is confined. :insh: I'll not send this kind of post again. Deleted.

Please edit/delete my that quote from your post.

:jazak:

[Zahed]

:salam: neither Allah will come now to tell you the best nor prophet(sw) will come now to tell you the best.

your question is like in which country shaitan landed when he was kick out to earth. spend your time for profitble knowledge brother.

:ws:

Calm down bro. Brother rqsnnt is just trying to reach at the mark of thousand posts.
Instead of refraining him please help him to reach to his goal.;)

[a_muslim]

:ws:

Calm down bro. Brother rqsnnt is just trying to reach at the mark of thousand posts.
Instead of refraining him please help him to reach to his goal.;):salam:

hehe! you made me crack up! i think that maybe true though!!

[abulayl]

:ws:

Calm down bro. Brother rqsnnt is just trying to reach at the mark of thousand posts.
Instead of refraining him please help him to reach to his goal.;)
:salam: but my post wasnt that much spam type to reach 5000 post! :$

though the old posts were full with wisdom than the recent ones. :rolleyes:

[Ayaaz]

السلام عليكم
It is actually not the words but he belief behind them that is problematic. So I guess if any scholar speaks against saying such a thing it would be because of the widespread use by people of misguided beliefs.

Assalamaoualaikoum

That's what my ustad said when we discussed the use of 'Yaa'

Ayaz

[Aftab Siddiqui-India]

11. The advent of another Prophet is quite possible. (Mulla Abdul Hai Farangi Mahli and Mulla Qasim Nanotwi, Tahzeer-in-Nas, p.34, Athar Ibn Abbas, p.16)
WHY BLAME MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD QADIANI ONLY?

I read this in one of your post,I heard this claim made by one barelvi aalim in debate with Maulana tahir husain gayavi (india Bihar),the maulana tahir husain gayavi replied this,, the actual word Tahzeer-in-Nas was like this,, bifarz nabi (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) ke baad bhi koi nabi aa jaaye toh huzur(sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) ke khatme nubuwat me koi farak nahi aayega) ... it means "suppose if another prophet comes then too the finality seal of prophet (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) remains unaffected"

using suppose (bil farz) does not necessitate the actual happenings of somethings for eg: Huzur (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) said If (suppose) if there would have been nabi after me then it would have been umar (razi) does here prophet (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) believes that there will be nabi after me & that will be umar (razi)..(maazALLAH) same way maulana qaasim nanoti used "suppose" (bil farz) and the reason of using this is that we ahle sunnat wal jamah believes that Prophet (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) came last even though he was Nabi before adam (alayhissalaam) so whether if he (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) would have came first or in between then too he would have been the last nabi & again to more strengthen the belief he said even if suppose any one comes after (rather it wont happen) him (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) then too his (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) final prophethood seal remained unaffected.
(as said by maulana tahir husain gayavi i interpreted in mine words)

[syamuj]

11. The advent of another Prophet is quite possible. (Mulla Abdul Hai Farangi Mahli and Mulla Qasim Nanotwi, Tahzeer-in-Nas, p.34, Athar Ibn Abbas, p.16)
WHY BLAME MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD QADIANI ONLY?

I read this in one of your post,I heard this claim made by one barelvi aalim in debate with Maulana tahir husain gayavi (india Bihar),the maulana tahir husain gayavi replied this,, the actual word Tahzeer-in-Nas was like this,, bifarz nabi (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) ke baad bhi koi nabi aa jaaye toh huzur(sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) ke khatme nubuwat me koi farak nahi aayega) ... it means "suppose if another prophet comes then too the finality seal of prophet (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) remains unaffected"

using suppose (bil farz) does not necessitate the actual happenings of somethings for eg: Huzur (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) said If (suppose) if there would have been nabi after me then it would have been umar (razi) does here prophet (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) believes that there will be nabi after me & that will be umar (razi)..(maazALLAH) same way maulana qaasim nanoti used "suppose" (bil farz) and the reason of using this is that we ahle sunnat wal jamah believes that Prophet (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) came last even though he was Nabi before adam (alayhissalaam) so whether if he (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) would have came first or in between then too he would have been the last nabi & again to more strengthen the belief he said even if suppose any one comes after (rather it wont happen) him (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) then too his (sawallalu wa alyhi wassallam) final prophethood seal remained unaffected.
(as said by maulana tahir husain gayavi i interpreted in mine words)

Jazaa kallahu khair brother You cleared a big doubt.