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Ramz
29-12-2010, 02:47 PM
What is sufism? and why did the great saints or sufi played music at that time?

I have read that saints in past (hindustan) invented musical instrument like the one
with Shah Abdul Latif bhatai and his invention known as "Tamboro".

Talhah
29-12-2010, 03:10 PM
Assalamu-'alaykum

Brother the real essence of tasawwuf/sufism is strict adherence to the rulings of the shar'iah. If after all zikr and ibadaat one is not caring about the commandments of Allah and His rasool s.a.w. then he has not gained anything of worth. MUSIC IS HARAAM (PROHIBITED) IN ISLAM! The true soofiyah have always stayed away from it. Even if there do come any reports of sufis indulging in tasawwuf then 1. first check the authenticity of the claim before attributing any such grave sin towards a wali 2. even if the report do comes out to be true then we will in no way follow that particular sufi in this matter since we are obliged to follow Allah and his Nabi, primarily. So any thing going against their clear commandments will be rejected! And many so called "sufis" who do indluge in music without even caring about the commandments of shari'ah are not true sufis and they dont desrve being called sufis either!

Hereunder are some good websites about true tasawwuf and i hope they will help you:

The Website of Hazrat Maulana Hakeem Muhammad Akhtar Sahib (http://www.khanqah.org)
He is one of the greatest awliyaa alive! A blog spreading Hazrat walaz teachings in english is An-Noor blog (the link of which is given in my signature)

Website dedicated to Hazrat Peer Zulfiqaar Ahmad Naqshbandi (http://www.tasawwuf.org)

Then there are some purely urdu websites:

Website containing Bayans of Mufti Taqi Usmani and some other shuyukh (http://deeneislam.com/)

Webiste containing bayans of many different mashaykh (http://mehboob-e-elahi.com)

Note: The websites dont contain many bayans under the title of tasawwuf however most of the bayans are related to tazkiyyah (spiritual reformation) which is what comes mainly in the tasawwuf..

Hope this helps..

Wassalaam

Usman
29-12-2010, 03:46 PM
Assalamu-'alaykum

Brother the real essence of tasawwuf/sufism is strict adherence to the rulings of the shar'iah. If after all zikr and ibadaat one is not caring about the commandments of Allah and His rasool s.a.w. then he has not gained anything of worth. MUSIC IS HARAAM (PROHIBITED) IN ISLAM! The true soofiyah have always stayed away from it. Even if there do come any reports of sufis indulging in tasawwuf then 1. first check the authenticity of the claim before attributing any such grave sin towards a wali 2. even if the report do comes out to be true then we will in no way follow that particular sufi in this matter since we are obliged to follow Allah and his Nabi, primarily. So any thing going against their clear commandments will be rejected! And many so called "sufis" who do indluge in music without even caring about the commandments of shari'ah are not true sufis and they dont desrve being called sufis either!

Hereunder are some good websites about true tasawwuf and i hope they will help you:

The Website of Hazrat Maulana Hakeem Muhammad Akhtar Sahib (http://www.khanqah.org)
He is one of the greatest awliyaa alive! A blog spreading Hazrat walaz teachings in english is An-Noor blog (the link of which is given in my signature)

Website dedicated to Hazrat Peer Zulfiqaar Ahmad Naqshbandi (http://www.tasawwuf.org)

Then there are some purely urdu websites:

Website containing Bayans of Mufti Taqi Usmani and some other shuyukh (http://deeneislam.com/)

Webiste containing bayans of many different mashaykh (http://mehboob-e-elahi.com)

Note: The websites dont contain many bayans under the title of tasawwuf however most of the bayans are related to tazkiyyah (spiritual reformation) which is what comes mainly in the tasawwuf..

Hope this helps..

Wassalaam

masha'Allah, true. Also, website dedicated to the Shaykh of Pir Zulfiqar sahib "Pir Ghulam Habib Naqshbandi Rahimahullah". http://www.pirghulamhabib.com/

dr76
29-12-2010, 07:49 PM
What is sufism? and why did the great saints or sufi played music at that time?

I have read that saints in past (hindustan) invented musical instrument like the one
with Shah Abdul Latif bhatai and his invention known as "Tamboro".

:salam:

just have a look at this for a breif intro on tasawwuf or sufism..

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?44601-Any-true-Sufi-Shaykh-in-Istanbul-amp-Muslim-life-in-Turkey/page11

wa assalam..

Ramz
30-12-2010, 07:21 AM
Assalam Alyukum,
Jazakallah my brothers. I will look into this matter by below listed sites.
Hope this will free me from the wrong perception!

:D

SASLAMS
30-12-2010, 07:31 AM
tasawuf varies from place to place, tariqah to tariqah. the methods used are like the 4 madhabs-different but with the same ultimate goal.

we need to realize that there could be other issues surounding the method practiced. members of the same tariqah but different madhab will practice differently. members of the same tariqah but seperated geographicaly would also show differences-culture comes to play over here. for example the shafi' qaderis or rifai's whould use drums or even fluits in dhkir where as the ahnaaf qaderis or refais would not. then the drums of the shafi' qaderi & the tune would differ if say the one were arab & the other African. I saw this with the ba alawi dhikrs. the indonesians prefer a perticular beat & sound & the yemenis do it much more simpilar & then when you see the Kenyans it just sounds like alot of noise. it just depends what would atract the awaam to the goodness of the gathering aslong as it stays in the confines of the sharia. we in south africa who also do some of the ba alawi dhikrs & maulids dont have any instruments but we sound more like a quire & we try to use our best voices.

Abu_Tamim
31-12-2010, 07:59 AM
What is sufism? and why did the great saints or sufi played music at that time?

I have read that saints in past (hindustan) invented musical instrument like the one
with Shah Abdul Latif bhatai and his invention known as "Tamboro".

Music of any kind is absolutely haraam whether played by so-called Sufis or not.

SASLAMS
31-12-2010, 08:18 AM
Music of any kind is absolutely haraam whether played by so-called Sufis or not.+


my friend it is not absolutely haraam if there are intruments said to be permissable by great ulama. if there is ikhtilaaf then it is not absolute. understand. this type of tendancy causes people to judge others without understanding. for example the shafi' who relies upon Imaam Rafi'i RA will play flutes & when you find these guys in Iraq playing flutes in there sufi gatherings you would proberbly call them goofy sufis. when you are infact wrong.

Abu_Tamim
31-12-2010, 10:18 AM
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my friend it is not absolutely haraam if there are intruments said to be permissable by great ulama. if there is ikhtilaaf then it is not absolute. understand. this type of tendancy causes people to judge others without understanding. for example the shafi' who relies upon Imaam Rafi'i RA will play flutes & when you find these guys in Iraq playing flutes in there sufi gatherings you would proberbly call them goofy sufis. when you are infact wrong.

Allahu musta'an. Everything is jayez, brother, everything is jayez. Nothing is haram.

Ramz
31-12-2010, 10:20 AM
I dont get it right brother. PLAYING FLUTE IS PERMISSIBLE? HOW COME?
Lets not differentiate the Madhabs. I read in Hakeem Akhtar sb dbh's book that Aap Salallahu alyhi wassalam shut his ears when
he(S.A.W.W.) heard the sound of flute and he didnt take it off until it was confirmed by Sahabah (R.A).

However there is permissibility of Duff. Nothing else yet?
I dont get it!

Zahed
31-12-2010, 11:05 AM
Allahu musta'an. Everything is jayez, brother, everything is jayez. Nothing is haram.

:mash:.....:thumbsup:

Abu_Tamim
31-12-2010, 12:44 PM
I dont get it right brother. PLAYING FLUTE IS PERMISSIBLE? HOW COME?
Lets not differentiate the Madhabs. I read in Hakeem Akhtar sb dbh's book that Aap Salallahu alyhi wassalam shut his ears when
he(S.A.W.W.) heard the sound of flute and he didnt take it off until it was confirmed by Sahabah (R.A).

However there is permissibility of Duff. Nothing else yet?
I dont get it!

Yes, Huzur(saws) put his fingers in his ears till the sound of the flute died away. But music was haram only for Huzur(saws) and the Deobandis. The Sufis of Iran, the Shafi'is of SA and the Barelwis of Podunk are allowed to listen to it. Allah knows Best.

Ramz
31-12-2010, 01:03 PM
Mashallah Im proud to be a Deobandi :D
What the hell? half of muslims play drum and roll!..WOW! so much segmentation!

Abu_Tamim
31-12-2010, 01:23 PM
Mashallah Im proud to be a Deobandi :D
What the hell? half of muslims play drum and roll!..WOW! so much segmentation!

There is halal and there is haram and between the two are ambiguous matters. But people take what is straight away haram and make it halal. What to do?

Kashmir_85
31-12-2010, 02:28 PM
I HEARD that you are actually allowed to play a drum

dr76
31-12-2010, 04:49 PM
I HEARD that you are actually allowed to play a drum

and then u graduate to a bagpipe..?

Ramz
01-01-2011, 05:20 AM
I HEARD that you are actually allowed to play a drum

lol. its duff, kinda of a hand-one. Unlike the rockstar's drum!

SASLAMS
01-01-2011, 09:13 AM
Allahu musta'an. Everything is jayez, brother, everything is jayez. Nothing is haram.

no everything is jayiz until proven haraam. I dont disagree that by your madhab that all intruments are haraam, but you used the word mutlaq. when you want to use the word then use it for sothing like salah in which there is absolutely no ikhtilaaf there are 5 fardh, nothing more & nothing less. fasting is fardh in ramadhan. these are things that are absolute. haram things that are absolute are khmr & pork, zina. but all those which are not absolute should not said to be absolute there are loads of ikhtilaaf when it comes to music. & if you dont belive me check imaam Nawawi Ra who holds that duff is halaal & if we put jingles on the sides of the duff it is jahiz. he however was against some drums & flutes. then we have Imaam rafi'i who held that some flutes are jahiz & there is only one type of drum which haraam. I questioned this tho scholars who belonged to nasheed groups in a shafi' area. one of them said to me that there is loads of ikhtilaaf & the only intruments which are completely haraam are stringed ones & one drum & one flute that does not get used any more.

i didnt say everything is jahiz either. remember tasawuf is being discussed not the tasawuf within a particular madhab. that is why I said that it is not absolute

SASLAMS
01-01-2011, 09:19 AM
I dont get it right brother. PLAYING FLUTE IS PERMISSIBLE? HOW COME?
Lets not differentiate the Madhabs. I read in Hakeem Akhtar sb dbh's book that Aap Salallahu alyhi wassalam shut his ears when
he(S.A.W.W.) heard the sound of flute and he didnt take it off until it was confirmed by Sahabah (R.A).

However there is permissibility of Duff. Nothing else yet?
I dont get it!

akhi you would find flutes played in Sudan, indonesia, Yemen, Egypt & Iraq. all these scholars are taking a ruling from Imaam Rafi'i Ra who was one of the top shafi' scholars in history. you sheikh that you mentioned is no doubt a scholar but he is hanafi so he would give a ruling according to his madhab. tasawuf is universal & not subject to any one madhab or culture so its method will change from place to place as long as it is kept within the confines of sharia, so laws pertaining to tasawuf would be different from place to place.

SASLAMS
01-01-2011, 09:24 AM
Yes, Huzur(saws) put his fingers in his ears till the sound of the flute died away. But music was haram only for Huzur(saws) and the Deobandis. The Sufis of Iran, the Shafi'is of SA and the Barelwis of Podunk are allowed to listen to it. Allah knows Best.

hey take it up with imaam Rafi', google him if you dont believe me in telling you his level. by the way in South Africa the shafi' do not play flutes but duf, & duf with jingles & other drums. but its only a few that still do.

i suggest before you condem me you go do some research because I think you undermining some great scholars who by there usool in their own right did the necessary ijtihad. & you cannot argue with the usool of the shafi' madhab. & those who you call berelwi if they are from south india they might be shafi too.

Ramz
01-01-2011, 09:51 AM
akhi you would find flutes played in Sudan, indonesia, Yemen, Egypt & Iraq. all these scholars are taking a ruling from Imaam Rafi'i Ra who was one of the top shafi' scholars in history. you sheikh that you mentioned is no doubt a scholar but he is hanafi so he would give a ruling according to his madhab. tasawuf is universal & not subject to any one madhab or culture so its method will change from place to place as long as it is kept within the confines of sharia, so laws pertaining to tasawuf would be different from place to place.

I see!
Im bounded to say up anything because i have limited knowledge of the subject than Ulema!
Its infact confusing me!

anyways do someone hold any opinion about musical nasheeds like that of sami yusuf and bulk of em?
their must be many making that permissible too?
fairly its not jaiz i mean!

Abu_Tamim
01-01-2011, 01:20 PM
hey take it up with imaam Rafi', google him if you dont believe me in telling you his level. by the way in South Africa the shafi' do not play flutes but duf, & duf with jingles & other drums. but its only a few that still do.

i suggest before you condem me you go do some research because I think you undermining some great scholars who by there usool in their own right did the necessary ijtihad. & you cannot argue with the usool of the shafi' madhab. & those who you call berelwi if they are from south india they might be shafi too.

Where am I condemning you? I am agreeing with you and saying that everything is jayez.

Abu_Tamim
01-01-2011, 01:32 PM
Date Posted: 2004-04-14


<QUESTION>
What does Islam say about Music and Singing?

<ANSWER>
In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

The worst-case scenario in the event of being inflicted with a disease is when the one involved refuses to believe that he has been inflicted with that disease. The way this phenomenon is accepted and recognised in diseases and illnesses that affect the physical body, it is also true with regards to spiritual diseases and ailments.

When a person commits a sin (May Allah save us all) believing that a sin is being committed and feels regret and remorse in the heart, then this is far better than committing the sin and believing it to be lawful (halal). In the former situation, only one sin is being committed, and it is very likely that the individual may repent out of the remorse felt in the heart. In the latter case, however, in addition to the sin being committed, there is the greater sin of trying to justify it. Normally, such an individual does not receive the guidance to repent from his sin. (May Allah save us all, Ameen)

Music and Singing

The case with music and unlawful singing is the same. It has been decisively prohibited in Shariah, as the evidences mentioned further along will illustrate. Yet there are individuals who are not ready to believe that it is unlawful (haram).

In the modern era, music has spread to such an extent that nobody is free from it. Individuals are confronted with situations where they are forced to listen to music. It is played nearly in all department stores and supermarkets. If you sit in a taxi, make a phone call or even walk down the street, you will not be saved from this evil. Young Muslims drive around in their cars with the music fully blasted. The increasing popularity of music, which is prevalent in our society, poses a great threat to the Muslims.

Music is a direct ploy of the non-Muslims. One of the main causes for the decline of the Muslims is their involvement in useless entertainment. Today we see that Muslims are involved, and at the forefront perhaps, of many immoralities and evils. The spiritual power which once was the trait of a Muslim is nowhere to be seen. One of the main reasons for this is music and useless entertainment.

Harms and effects of music

We should be aware that nothing has been prohibited by the Almighty Creator except that which is harmful to the Muslims and the society as a whole. There are great harms and ill-effects of music.

Islam totally forbids adultery and also those things that lead to it. Allah Most High says:

“And do not (even) come near to adultery, for it is a shameful deed and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).” (al-Isra, 32)

Islam does not only prohibit adultery and fornication, but also those things that may lead to it. This is the reason why the Qur’an orders Muslim men and women to lower their gazes. It prohibits one from being alone with someone of the opposite sex (khalwa). Informal interaction with the opposite sex has also been made unlawful.

This is also one of the main reasons for the prohibition of music, as it effects one’s emotions, creates arousal, passion and excitement, and also leads to various physiological changes in the person. It is a psychological proven fact that two things are instrumental in arousing the human sexual desire, one being the voice of a female (for males) and the other music.

This is the reason why Allah Most High says:

“O wives of the prophet! You are not like other women, if you are god-fearing. So do not be soft in speech. Lest in whose heart is disease should be moved with desire.” (Surah al-Ahzab, v. 32)

Thus, Islam forbids listening to the female voice with lust and desire. The great Hanafi Jurist, Imam Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) states:

“It is permissible for women to converse with non-Mahram men at the time of need (and vice versa). However, what is not permissible is that they stretch, soften and raise their voice in a melodious way.” (Radd al-Muhtar, V.1, P. 406)

Similarly, it is also unlawful for women to listen to the voice of non-Mahram men with lust and desire. One of the great western thinkers said: “The voice is one of the quickest ways that make a woman fall in love with a man. This is the reason why many women adore singers.”

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) was also wary of this fact when he said to the Companion Bara ibn Malik: “O Bara! Let not the women here your voice.” (Kanz al-Ummal, 7/322) The same has also been reported from the Companion Anjasha (Allah be pleased with him).

Physical Effect of Music

Experiments carried out by doctors and researchers confirm that music is such that it does not only affect the brain, but each and every organ of the body. There is a close relationship between music and bodily movements.

It is also proved that music affects one’s emotions, increases arousal in terms of alertness and excitement and also leads to various psychological changes in the person. In a psychological experiment, it was found that listening to moderate type of music increased one’s normal heart beat, whilst listening to rock music the heart beat increased even further, yet people claim that music has no effect.

In conclusion, music and the instruments used for singing are a cause for arousing the sexual desire of an individual. It could lead a person to adultery and fornication. Therefore, Islam takes the preventive measure rather than suffer the consequences. This is also one of the principles of Islamic Jurisprudence, namely ‘blocking the means’ (sadd al-dhara'i). This is based on the idea of preventing an evil before it actually materializes, and is taken from the heart of the guidance of the Qur’an and Sunnah that, “Preventing harm is given precedence even to achieving possible benefits.”

Becoming Heedless of Allah

One of the harms of music is that it distracts one from his Creator. It serves as a temporary means of pleasure and satisfaction, which makes one forget who he really is and why he was created. This is the reason why musical instruments are known in the Arabic language as ‘malaahi’ meaning instruments that prevent one from the remembrance of Allah Almighty.

Human has been created for a noble purpose. Allah Most High says:

“I have created jinn and humans only that they serve (worship) me.” (Surah al-Dhariyat, 56)

Music and temporary entertainments sink the human in physical pleasures and prevent him/her from true spiritual gains. In conclusion, music has a great role to play in preventing a human from realising the purpose of creation.

Un-Islamic Values

Another harm of music is that it instils the ideologies of the non-Muslims in the heart and mind. The messages of today’s music follow a general theme of love, fornication, drugs and freedom.

We find that the whole world is obsessed with the Kufr idea of unrestrained freedom, i.e. freedom of speech and movement, etc… This idea of freedom, “it’s my life, I’ll do what I want” is a predominant theme of music today. It is used as a means of drilling western ideologies into the hearts and minds, which are totally contrary to Islamic values and teachings.

The Difference between Legal Wisdom and Legal Reason

The above are just some of the harms and evil effects of music. One must remember here that these are the wisdoms for the prohibition of music and not the reason (illah). The Shariah ruling is based upon the reason, and not the wisdom. In other words if the harms for the prohibition of music are taken care of, it will not make music permissible.

An example for this is that the wisdom behind the prohibition of wine and alcohol is that it creates enmity and hatred between people and it hinders one from the remembrance of Allah. The reason, however, is that it is an intoxicating substance. Now, if one was to say that wine will be Halal for me, as I will lock myself up after drinking wine, thus no destruction will be caused. Any sane person will conclude that he is wrong, as wine is Haram whether you cause any destruction and damage to others or not. The reason being is that the cause (illa) for the prohibition of wine is intoxication, regardless of whether the wisdom (hikma) is present or not.

The same is with music. If one is saved from the abovementioned harms, even then music will still remain Haram. It can not be held lawful even if one is saved from its harms. This is a well established principle in the science of Usul al-Fiqh.

Ruling on musical instruments and unlawful singing

In light of the evidences that will be mentioned shortly, the following are unlawful in Shariah:

a) Musical instruments that are exclusively designed for entertainment and dancing, and create charm, pleasure and bliss on their own (even without the singing), such as the drum, violin, guitar, fiddle, flute, lute, mandolin, harmonium, piano, string, etc are all impermissible and unlawful (haram) to use.

There is a consensus of the whole Ummah on this. Since the first century, the Companions (sahaba), their followers (tabi’in), jurists (fuqaha) and the scholars have been generally unanimous on this ruling.

b) Singing that is a cause for a sin is also unlawful with the consensus of all the scholars, such as songs that prevent one from the obligatory (fard & wajib).

c) Any singing that is accompanied by other sins, such as songs that consist of unlawful, immoral, and sexual themes, or it is sang by non-Mahram women, etc will also be unlawful. This ruling is also with the consensus of all the scholars.

Evidences

There are numerous evidences in the Qur’an and Sunnah which support this view. We will attempt to look at a few:

1) Allah Most High says:

“And there are among men, those that purchase idle tales, to mislead (men) from the path of Allah and throw ridicule. For such there will be a humiliating punishment.” (Surah Luqman, V. 6)

The great Companion Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud (Allah be pleased with him) states in the explanation of the word “idle tales”:

“By Allah its meaning is music.” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi, 1/223 & authenticated by al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, 2/411)

Imam Ibn Abi Shayba related with his own transmission that he (Ibn Mas’ud) said: “I swear by Him besides Whom there is no God that it refers to singing.” (132/5)

The great Companion and exegete of the Qur’an, Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) states:

“The meaning of the word is music, singing and the like.” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi, 1/221& Musannaf Ibn abi Shayba, 132/5)

He also stated:

“Music and the purchase of female singers.” (Musannaf Ibn Abi Shayba, 132/5)

Hasan al-Basri (Allah be pleased with him) said:

“This verse was revealed in relation to singing and musical instruments.” (Tafsir ibn Kathir, 3/442)

The same explanation has also been narrated from Mujahid, Ikrima, Ibrahim Nakha’i, Mak’hul and others (may Allah be pleased with them all).

The above verse of the Qur’an, along with the statements regarding its meaning is clear in the prohibition of music. It also serves as a severe warning for those who are involved in the trade of music in any way, shape or form, as Allah warned them of “Humiliating punishment”.

As for those that say, the verse refers to things that prevent one from the remembrance of Allah and not music, they do not contradict the aforementioned explanation. The interpretation of the verse with “things that prevent one from the remembrance of Allah” is a more general interpretation which includes music and song, as one of the foremost things that stop you from the remembrance of Allah is music. This is the reason why the majority of the exegetes of the Qur’an have interpreted the verse with music only, or with all those acts that prevent one from the truth with music being at the forefront.

2) Allah Most High says whilst describing the attributes of the servants of the Most Compassionate (ibad al-Rahman):

“Those who witness no falsehood, and if they pass by futility, they pass by it with honourable avoidance.” (Surah al-Furqan, V. 72)

Imam Abu Bakr al-Jassas relates from Sayyiduna Imam Abu Hanifah (Allah be pleased with him) that the meaning of “falsehood (zur)” is music & song. (Ahkam al-Qur’an, 3/428)

3) Allah Most High said to Shaytan:

“Lead to destruction those whom you can among them with your (seductive) voice.” (Surah al-Isra, V.64)

One of the great exegete, Mujahid (Allah have mercy on him) interpreted the word “voice (sawt)” by music, singing, dancing and idle things. (Ruh al-Ma’ani, 15/111)

Imam Suyuti (Allah have mercy on him) quoted Mujahid as saying: “Voice (in this verse) is singing and flute.” (al-Iklil fi istinbat al-tanzil, 1444)

Another exegete, Dahhak (Allah have mercy on him) also interpreted the word “Sawt” with flutes. (Qurtubi, al-Jami` li Ahkam al-Qur’an, 10/288)

Here also, a general interpretation can be given, as indeed some commentators of the Qur’an have done, but this, as mentioned earlier, does not contradict the meaning given by Mujahid and Dahhak, as it is included in the more broad and general meaning.

Guidance of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace)

The are many Ahadith of the blessed Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) which prohibit music and the usage of musical instruments to the extent that some scholars have gathered approximately forty Ahadith, of which the chain of transmission of some is authentic (sahih), some sound (hasan) and some weak (da’if). We will only mention a few here:

1) Sayyiduna Abu Malik al-Ash’ari (Allah be pleased with him) reports that he heard the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) say: “There will appear people in my Ummah, who will hold adultery, silk, alcohol and musical instruments to be lawful.” (Sahih al-Bukhari)

2) Abu Malik al-Ash’ari (Allah be pleased with him) narrates a similar type of Hadith, but a different wording. He reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Soon there will be people from my Ummah who will consume alcohol, they will change its name (by regarding it permissible. m), on there heads will be instruments of music and singing. Allah will make the ground swallow them up, and turn them into monkeys and swine.” (Sahih Ibn Hibban & Sunan Ibn Majah, with a sound chain of narration)

In the above two narrations, the word ma’azif is used. The scholars of the Arabic language are unanimous on the fact that it refers to musical instruments. (Ibn Manzur, Lisan al-Arab, V.9, P.189)

The prohibition of musical instruments is clear in these two narrations. The first Hadith (recorded in Sahih al-Bukhari) mentions that certain people from the Ummah of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give peace) will try to justify the permissibility of using musical instruments, along with adultery, silk and alcohol, despite these things being unlawful (haram) in Shariah.

Moreover, by mentioning music with the likes of adultery and alcohol just shows how severe the sin is. The one who attempts to permit music is similar to the one who permits alcohol or adultery.

The second Hadith describes the fate of such people in that the ground will be ordered to swallow them and they will be turned into monkeys and swine (May Allah save us all). The warning is specific to those that will hold music, alcohol, silk and adultery to be permissible. It is something that should be of concern for those who try and justify any of these things.

Also, to say that music will only be unlawful if it is in combination with alcohol, adultery and silk is incorrect. If this was the case, then why is it that the exception is only for music from the four things? The same could also be said for adultery, alcohol and silk. One may then even justify that alcohol and adultery is also permissible unless if they are consumed in combination with the other things!

Thus, the above two narrations of the beloved of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) are clear proof on the impermissibility of music and songs.

3) Imran ibn Husain (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “This Ummah will experience the swallowing up of some people by the earth, metamorphosis of some into animals, and being rained upon with stones”. A man from amongst the Muslims asked: “O Messenger of Allah! When will this be?” He said: “When female singers and musical instruments appear and alcohol will (commonly) be consumed.” (Recorded by Imam Tirmidhi, Imam Ibn Majah in their respective Sunan collections, and the wording here is of Sunan Tirmidhi)

4) Sayyiduna Ali ibn Talib (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the blessed Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “When my Ummah begin doing fifteen things, they will be inflicted with tribulations, and (from those 15 things He said): “When female singers and musical instruments become common.” (Sunan Tirmidhi)

5) Na’fi reports that once Abd Allah ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with them both) heard the sound of a Sheppard’s flute. He put his fingers in his ears, turned his mule away from the road and said: “O Nafi’! Can you hear? I (Nafi’) replied with the affirmative. He carried on walking (with his fingers in his ears) until I said: “the sound has ceased” He removed his fingers from his ears, came back on to the road and said: “I saw the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) doing the same when he heard the flute of the Sheppard.” (Recorded by Imam Ahmad in his Musnad and Abu Dawud & Ibn Majah in their Sunans)

6) Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Verily Allah has forbidden alcohol, gambling, drum and guitar, and every intoxicant is haram.” (Musnad Ahmad & Sunan Abu Dawud)

7) Abu Umama (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give peace) said: “Allah Mighty and Majestic sent me as a guidance and mercy to believers and commanded me to do away with musical instruments, flutes, strings, crucifixes, and the affairs of the pre-Islamic period of ignorance.”(Musnad Ahmad & Abu Dawud Tayalisi)

8) Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Song makes hypocrisy grow in the heart as water does herbage.” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi)

9) Sayyiduna Anas (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give peace) said: “On the day of Resurrection, Allah will pour molten lead into the ears of whoever sits listening to a songstress.” (Recorded by Ibn Asakir & Ibn al-Misri)

10) Sayyiduna Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Bell is the flute of Shaytan.” (Sahih Muslim & Sunan Abu Dawud)

There are many more narrations of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give peace) in prohibition of musical instruments and unlawful singing. I have merely mentioned a few here as an example.

The great Imam of the Shafi’i school, Imam Ibn Hajr al-Haytami gathered all these Ahadith which approximately total to forty in his excellent work ‘Kaff al-Ra’a an Muharramat al-Lahw wa al-Sama’, and then said: “All of this is explicit and compelling textual evidence that musical instruments of all types are unlawful.” (2/270)

Statements of the Jurists (fuqaha)

The great Hanafi jurist, Imam al-Kasani states:

“If a singer gathers people around him only to entertain them with his voice, then he will not be considered an upright person (a’dil), even though if he does not consume alcohol, as he will be considered the leader of sinners. If however, he only sings to himself in order to eradicate loneliness, then there is nothing wrong in doing so.

As far as the one who uses musical instruments is concerned, if the instruments themselves are not unlawful, such as the bamboo and tambourine, then there is nothing wrong with that and he will still be considered upright. However, if the instrument is unlawful, such as the lute and the like, then he will not be considered an upright person (to be a witness in the court. m), as these instruments can never be considered lawful.” (Bada’I al-Sana’i, 6/269)

It is stated in Khulasat al-Fatawa:

“Listening to the sound of musical instruments is unlawful (haram), as the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Listening to songs is a sin.” (4/345)

Imam Ibn al-Humam, the great Hanafi Mujtahid makes a decisive statement in his famous Fath al-Qadir:

“Unlawful (haram) singing is when the theme of the song consists of unlawful things, such as the description of a particular living person’s beauty and features, the virtues of wine that provoke wine-drinking, the details and particulars of family affairs or those songs that mock and ridicule others.

However, songs that are free from such unlawful things and they consist of descriptions of the natural things, such as flowers and streams, etc… will be permissible. Yes, if they are accompanied by musical instruments, then it will be unlawful even if the song is full of advice and wisdom, not because of what the songs consist of, rather due to the musical instruments that are played with it. And it is stated in the al-Mugni of Ibn Qudamah (Hanbali Madhhab) that musical instruments are of two types:

1) Unlawful, Such as those that are specially designed for entertainment and singing, like the flute and mandolin, etc;

2) Lawful, like the playing of the tambourine (daff) at weddings and other happy occasions.” (See: Ibn Humam, Fath al-Qadir, 6/36)

The same has more or less been mentioned in the other Hanafi works also, such as al-Ikhtiyar, al-Bahr al-Ra’iq, al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya and others.

Imam an-Nawawi, the great Hadith and Shafi’i scholar states:

“It is unlawful to use or listen to musical instruments, such as, those which the drinkers are known for, like the mandolin, lute, cymbals, and flute. It is permissible to play the tambourine (daff) at weddings, circumcisions and other times, even if it has bells on its sides. Beating the Kuba, a long drum with a narrow middle, is also unlawful.” (Mugni al-Muhtaj, 4/429, & Reliance of the traveller, 775)

There are many other statements of the Fuqaha and scholars such al-Qurtubi, and in each of the four Madhhabs, but due to the length of the article, I will suffice with the above.

As for those who hold music to be lawful usually present the Hadith of Sahih al-Bukhari in which two girls were singing in the presence of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and Sayyida A’isha (Allah be pleased with her).

However, the permissibility of music can not be justified with this Hadith. The Hadith expert, Hafidh Ibn Hajr al-Asqalani has refuted this claim in length in his Fath al-Bari, 2/345).

Firstly, these young girls were singing without any unlawful musical instruments and secondly, the content of the song was regarding war, thus perfectly lawful. Also, they were not professional singers as the words of the Hadith clearly indicate.

Some try to justify music with the Hadith in which the permissibility of playing the tambourine (daff) is mentioned.

However, as stated in the works of the Fuqaha, to play the tambourine is permissible at weddings, as it is not designed for sole entertainment and pleasure, rather for announcement, etc…

Conclusion

In the light of the above evidences from the Qur’an, sayings of our beloved Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give peace) and texts of the various Fuqaha, the following is the decisive ruling with regards to music:

Musical instruments that are solely designed for entertainment are unlawful, with or without singing. However, to play the tambourine (daf) at weddings (and other occasions according to some fuqaha) will be permissible.

As far as the songs are concerned, if they consist of anything that is unlawful or they prevent one from the obligatory duties, then they will be unlawful. However, if they are free from the abovementioned things (and they are not accompanied by instruments), then it will be permissible to sing them.

And Allah knows best
Muhammad ibn Adam, Darul Iftaa, Leicester, UK.

abulayl
01-01-2011, 05:20 PM
Fatwa by Sufi of Salaf time scholars prohibiting music :

Harith bin Asad Al-Muhasibi: "Music and singing is prohibited for us just like the meat of a dead animal is prohibited." (Risala Al-Mustarshideen)

Junaid Al-Baghdadi: "If you notice that a murid (student of spirituality) is asking for the permission of listening to Sama’a (religious songs) then this means that he still has spiritual defects in him. (Suhrawardi, Sheikh Shahab-ud-din (1966). ‘Awarif-ul-Ma'arif. Beirut, Darul Kitaab Al-Arabi.)

Fudhail bin Ayaadh : "Ghinaa (singing) is a prelude to zina (fornication)". (Suhrawardi, Sheikh Shahab-ud-din (1966). ‘Awarif-ul-Ma'arif. Beirut, Darul Kitaab Al-Arabi)

Shahab-ud-din Suhrawardi: "When people indulge in sama’ (listening to religious singing), they waste a lot of time. The taste in their prayers is reduced. Those people become addicted to going to the gatherings of sama’. In order to seek pleasure from the singers, they arrange for these get-togethers more and more frequently, even though this is not a hidden matter that Sufi scholars consider such kind of gatherings as impermissible and rejected." (Awarif-ul-Ma’arif” )

Abu Ali Rohaadhi was once asked that there is a man who seeks pleasure with musical instruments and claims that “such an act is halal (permissible) for me because I have reached to such a (spiritual) station that different conditions do not affect me.”
Rohaadhi retorted: “Yes, that person has reached a station. But where? In the Hell-fire!” (Kaf-ur-Ra’a)

SASLAMS
02-01-2011, 09:28 AM
I see!
Im bounded to say up anything because i have limited knowledge of the subject than Ulema!
Its infact confusing me!

anyways do someone hold any opinion about musical nasheeds like that of sami yusuf and bulk of em?
their must be many making that permissible too?
fairly its not jaiz i mean!

I wouldnt bother myself with it too much. it is still your choice, but since your hanafi & a deobandi then stick to your madhab & school. it is safer for you that way. a stricter opinion is always the safer opinion in these grey areas & it will never go against say the strongest or most authentic opinion. if your school says that it is haraam as Abu Tamim mentioned then follow that.

I dont mean to sound as if im against the ahnaaf opinion either. the question was on Sufism & music & not the hanafi opinion of some sufi methods that use music. that is why I said its universal.

but stick to the deobandi aproach because you are a deobandi.

SASLAMS
02-01-2011, 09:32 AM
Where am I condemning you? I am agreeing with you and saying that everything is jayez.

with sarcasm.

I didnt say everythin is jayez

Ramz
02-01-2011, 02:44 PM
I wouldnt bother myself with it too much. it is still your choice, but since your hanafi & a deobandi then stick to your madhab & school. it is safer for you that way. a stricter opinion is always the safer opinion in these grey areas & it will never go against say the strongest or most authentic opinion. if your school says that it is haraam as Abu Tamim mentioned then follow that.

I dont mean to sound as if im against the ahnaaf opinion either. the question was on Sufism & music & not the hanafi opinion of some sufi methods that use music. that is why I said its universal.

but stick to the deobandi aproach because you are a deobandi.

yes akhi, i scrolled a letter on askimam.org
thats pretty much satisfying me.

Mufti sb says the same thing that it varies with madhab and the practices of shaykh,
moreover the hanafi cannot follow the shafi's practices in zikr. Nothing else!

dr76
03-01-2011, 03:18 PM
hey take it up with imaam Rafi', google him if you dont believe me in telling you his level. by the way in South Africa the shafi' do not play flutes but duf, & duf with jingles & other drums. but its only a few that still do.

i suggest before you condem me you go do some research because I think you undermining some great scholars who by there usool in their own right did the necessary ijtihad. & you cannot argue with the usool of the shafi' madhab. & those who you call berelwi if they are from south india they might be shafi too.


:salam:

Bro by ' Imam rafi'i ' do u mean Shaikh Sayyad Ahmed kabeer rifa'i sb (rah)..?

wa assalam..

SASLAMS
04-01-2011, 08:19 PM
yes akhi, i scrolled a letter on askimam.org
thats pretty much satisfying me.

Mufti sb says the same thing that it varies with madhab and the practices of shaykh,
moreover the hanafi cannot follow the shafi's practices in zikr. Nothing else!

masha Allah, perfect. so atleast if you were to se other groups doing something different to what you use to you wouldnt judge them

SASLAMS
04-01-2011, 08:21 PM
:salam:

Bro by ' Imam rafi'i ' do u mean Shaikh Sayyad Ahmed kabeer rifa'i sb (rah)..?

wa assalam..

no, Imaam Rafi'i RA is the highest authority in the old shafi' school. he was a baghdadi scholar if Im not mistaken.

dr76
05-01-2011, 12:16 AM
yes akhi, i scrolled a letter on askimam.org
thats pretty much satisfying me.

Mufti sb says the same thing that it varies with madhab and the practices of shaykh,
moreover the hanafi cannot follow the shafi's practices in zikr. Nothing else!

:salam:

U mean the Hanafi qadiris can follow the hanbali way and not shafi'i qadri.. how can u explain this..

wa assalam..

Ramz
05-01-2011, 09:14 AM
:salam:

U mean the Hanafi qadiris can follow the hanbali way and not shafi'i qadri.. how can u explain this..

wa assalam..

assalamalyukm ya akhi i admit that i dint write other madhab's name that doesnt mean that we can follow except hanfis(i.e hanbali's, maliki's or shafi's) view.
Taqleed brother. Infact the question was raised by a Hanafi, regarding the Shafis practice of zikr. So mufti stated from his point of view.
I think its clear bro.
its a

abuhajira
06-01-2011, 03:23 AM
:salam:

If I am not mistaken, the OP is asking about "Sufism". All this talk about ikhtilaaf is a non-issue when it comes to tasawuf and sufism. Br. SASLAMS, you do realize that the whole idea of tasawuf is to gain ma'rifa of Allah through following his commandments and leaving all that is doubtful. As it is stated by the Awliyaa that one enters the ranks of Awliyaa, not by excessive ibadah rather by abstaining from munkaraat. The aim of tasawuf is to attain the highest form of abstinence from any and all munkaraat, and these include the makroohaat and even the khilaaf uoola. That, my friend, is the level worthy of being titled as taqwa.

In this light, lets say that there is ikhtilaaf, then it would not matter whether certain practice has been given leeway in one madhab or not, the Sufi would opt for the level higher than that ikhtalaf, the more safer approach, or the more muttaqi approach. Although as it may stand, I remember the long discussion with br. Ma'ruf (i think) that even Imam Ghazali r.a only saw the use of music as a form of spiritual treatment. You can search for that thread. And knowing the Habaib and Hadramis rely more on Imam Ghazai than the Shafi' per say, we should just leave out the music unless and until stricken by some spiritual disease that can be elevated by some form of instrumental. In doing so, we can continue and discuss the level of its usage but this basic point has to be agreed first.

Madhahib wouldnt make a difference if we governed our life with Taqwa instead of rukhsa..

:ws: