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naqshbandi-haqqani

28-06-2005, 02:43 AM

Tazkiyah

28-06-2005, 02:48 AM

salman

28-06-2005, 03:06 AM

Salamu Alaikum

The Naqshbandi haqqani tariqah is the mother of all tariqah's

No

and Mawlana shaykh Nazim is the sultan ul awliyah.

Nope, not according to many.

Do you not see Sidi? For you preach Fana'e Nafs, yet you cannot stop your Nafs from saying "Choose my way only! My way! My Tariqa!"

Wasalam

salman

28-06-2005, 03:18 AM

"We awaken when we die"

Wasalam

naqshbandi-haqqani

28-06-2005, 05:35 AM

assalamu'alaikom

I'd like to apologize for offending you Salman and Tazkiyah and anyone else. I got carried away with my post and not only being defensive but also proud and arrogant. Please accept my apology.

You're right, we have to respect all ulema and awliya as we ourselves are nothing compared to any of them, astaghfirullah.

I've deleted some of my posts so as not to create any further fitnah around here.

May Allah forgive me and bless you.

:)

Tazkiyah

28-06-2005, 02:11 PM

Shah1

30-06-2005, 12:07 PM

Assalamo alaykom,

Attention please!

I was joined on YA Nabi . COM , a AHLE SUNNAT WAL JAMAT site which is a very nice site and has nice information on Islamic topic . I advice everyone to join there and increase your knowledge there.

But BEWARE of the moderators there. Especially 2 moderatorts who are called : "Qadri Razavi" and "Akbar Humayun Khan". They both claim to be murids of the Naqshbandi Sufi order and lovers of Truth , but their IQ level isnt so high. On the same site:

http://www.***********/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=18&threadid=4833&forumid=1

(above) from that forum I had a discussion with them that we need the Shariah system of Taliban , but those 2 moderators was making mockery of Taliban and claimed that the Taliban system was unislamic. I even told them that majority of Taliban was Ahle Sunat Wal Jamat and Mullah Omar was Naqshbandi dervish , but they refused that Taliban had nothing to do with Nqashbandis at all. When they ran out of excuses they blocked the thread.

So I started another thread with refrences of a SOHBET ( speech) by Shayk Hisham Kabbani , who is a Naqshbandi order Shyak ,has a meeting with a Taliban official ,and the Taliban offcial claims in front of the Shayk that all the Taliban was AhLE SUNNAT WAL JAMAT and Naqshbandis. Shayk Hisham Kabbani is a true lover of Islam and the fact that Shayk HIsham Kabbani doesnt object to anything of what the Taliban official says Prooves my claim about Taliban. And it salso a lesson to the murids of Shyak Hisham Kabbani that Taliban are true people. Even in the end of teh same Sohbet the Shyak blesses the rul and goverment of Taliban.

When I didt post this SOhbet and the link , the Yanabi moderators ( Qadri Razavi, Akbar Humayun Khan") who supposed to be lovers of Truth , banned me and deleted my thread. All because I prooved them wrong and the lies they were teaching about Taliban to the visitors on the forum. So beaware of these so called lovers of Truthy. Their ego is riding them. They couldt face me in discussion so they banned me.

I paste the SOhbet here and you be the judge now:

Sohbat
Thursday night dhikr 3/4/99, Mawlana Shaykh Hisham, Responding to Wahhabi attacks after State Department Open Forum -- Extremists in America.

Shaykh Hisham Kabbani: Nawaytul arba'in, nawaytul i`tikaf, nawaytul khalwa, nawaytul 'uzla, nawaytul siyama, nawaytul suluk, lil Lahi ta'ala al-Adhim fi hadhal masjid.

Everyone: Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah wa Ashhadu anna Muhammadan Abduhu wa Rasuluhu

Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah wa Ashhadu anna Muhammadan Abduhu wa Rasuluhu

(Mawlana Shaykh Hisham is speaking, and Abu Bakr Mojadidi is translating to Farsi for a representative from the Islamic government of Afghanistan who has come to this dhikr in support of Shaykh Hisham)

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham:

We renew our shahada, audhu bil Lahi minash Shaytani rajim, Bismillahir Rahim Alhamdulillahir Rabbil 'Alamin, was Salat was Salam 'ala Ashrafil Mursalin, Sayyidina wa Nabiyyina Muhammad (s) wa Alihi wa Sahbihi ajma'in. I am very honored tonight to be among you, with our visitors and all of you, insha`Allah. May Allah make this a blessed meeting, a blessed meeting. And may Allah make this meeting, for whoever has sickness, make shifa` for him. Renewing the shahada, and Islam, and iman, is necessary in every association, every meeting, in every dhikr, whenever people come together, so they can witness each other's shahada. So that's why we make shahada at the beginning of every meeting.

Shahada is our identity. Without it our identity is missing. And no one in this whole world can take your Muslim identity away from you when you say shahada. When you say "Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah," Allah is your Witness, not human beings. No one from human kind can say of you that you are a kafir when you say "Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah, wa anna Muhammadan Abduhu wa Rasuluhu (s)." Sayyidina Muhammad (s) said, "Man kaffara mu`minan fa kaffar," "Whoever makes a mu`min, a Muslim, kafir, he is going to be under that label." If everyone around the world boycotts you and slanders you and calls you a kaffir, and you say "Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah," Allah puts them under the slander that they spoke. They make this kufr, not you, because Allah is witnessing on you that you are safe -- "Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah, wa Ashhadu anna Muhammadan Rasulallah." (s)

Islam is Islam. Shari'ah is Shari'ah. No one can change Shari'ah. No one can change Islam. It's a heavenly message. No one can call himself a "reformer" of Islam. Islam cannot be reformed. Islam is perfect, from beginning to end. Sayyidina Ahmad Al Farooqi As-Sirhindi (q) was a renewer of Islam, he was called Mujaddid Alf Thani. He didn't reform Islam, because Islam is constant, but he corrected the beliefs of Muslims. He brought them to mainstream Islam. He didn't introduce any new belief or ideology to Islam.

We as Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a believe in the Consensus of Scholars (ijma al-'ulama) that true Islam is in the hands of the majority of Muslims, with the acceptance of the four schools of Islam. And the ulama always accepted taqlid, qiyas, and ijma'. We have to accept following the ulama (taqlid), we have to accept the consensus of the ulama (ijma') and we have to accept qiyas. These are principles of Islamic Shari'ah. Anyone who comes against Islam and Shari'ah as agreed on by the majority of the 'ulama and brings a new ideology, that ideology will be THROWN in his face. It is NOT accepted, and will NEVER be accepted.

Anyone today who rejects the four schools and says there are no madhahib in Islam, he is rejecting Islam as a whole, because ulama for 1400 years accepted the four schools of Islam, and they said the schools of Islam DO exist. Anyone who denies that has to correct himself because his ideology is not accepted. To all of the reformers who are calling themselves "reformers" and "modernists," modernizing Islam, THAT CANNOT BE DONE. ISLAM IS ISLAM, FOR 1400 YEARS. IT IS THE SAME. TODAY IT IS THE SAME. THERE IS NO CHANGE IN ISLAM. IF THEY CHANGE ISLAM, THEY are not correcting it. They have to change themselves.

Now we are seeing DOCTORS, PEDIATRICIANS, GYNECOLOGISTS, AND PRACTITIONERS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE BECOMING "REFORMERS" OF ISLAM! LET THEM REFORM THEIR MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE, not Islam. It's not their business, it's not their field. Engineers -- electrical engineers, architectural engineers, all engineers, they go and reform their own computers and their own knowledge. They shouldn't touch Islam and say they are reforming Islam or modernizing Islam, as we are seeing in this country and other countries. ISLAM CAN'T BE CHANGED BY DOCTORS WHO ARE BUSY ALL DAY IN THEIR CLINICS AND ENGINEERS WHO ARE BUSY IN THEIR MATERIALISTIC LIFE, AND DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM. They are going to speak about Islam and defend Islam? They are making it WORSE for Muslims in this country and in other countries. NOW YOU CAN GO FROM ONE MOSQUE TO A DIFFERENT MOSQUE, AND SEE ISLAM IS CHANGING TO FIT THE ENGINEER OR DOCTOR WHO IS RUNNING THAT MOSQUE. That is a big mistake that we are making. And that has to be corrected from the Muslim community itself.

They sit with non-Muslims and they say this is an interfaith dialog in America or in Europe. They sit with non-Muslims, people of other religions, saying they are making interfaith dialog, BUT THEY WON'T HEAR MUSLIMS! If they don't know history, let them go and read; Islam was spread through tasawwuf, through spirituality. There is no way to spread Islam without spirituality and tasawwuf. BECAUSE TASAWWUF IS LOVE, IS TOLERANCE, IS EXTENDING HANDS TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, TO YOUR PEOPLE, TO YOUR SOCIETY, TO OTHER PEOPLE, in order to make peace between everybody. TASAWWUF SPREAD ISLAM IN AMERICA, SPREAD ISLAM IN EUROPE, SPREAD ISLAM EVERYWHERE! EITHER NAQSHBANDIS OR QADIRIS OR CHISHTIS OR SHADHILIS OR BURHANIS OR QARIBIS, ALL KINDS OF TARIQATS, WERE THE SEEDS FOR ISLAM IN THE SUBCONTINENT, IN CENTRAL ASIA, IN THE FAR EAST, IN NORTH AFRICA, IN EUROPE, and in America nowadays.

I went to Chechnya two weeks ago as a guest of the President of Chechnya. And he brought all the mujahideen one night, and there was a little bit of a problem between the mujahideen, opposition movements and so on, and they asked my advice. And I gave advice, and Alhamdulillah at the end they were together, they came together. The Chechen mujahideen and the President are together as one hand. The mujahideen leaders were 27 people, and every one was responsible for a tribe. Each one had thousands of supporters. The President was saying in front of all of them that, do you know how many soldiers we had, with which we defeated Russia? The WHOLE army of Chechen mujahideen were not more than 4,000 in all of Chechnya. Only 837 mujahideen in Grozny, the capital. And the Russian army surrounding the capital, Grozny, WERE 120,000 SOLDIERS. 837 CHECHEN MUJAHIDEEN WERE ABLE TO DEFEAT 120,000 RUSSIAN SOLDIERS. 120,000.

(AUDIENCE: Naray Takbir! Naray Risala!)

And he asked if we knew how? ALLAH SAID IN HOLY QUR`AN THAT WITH THE SUPPORT OF ALLAH (SWT), HOWEVER SMALL YOU ARE, YOU WILL WIN OVER THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, UNBELIEVERS.

THE PRESIDENT SAID, "DO YOU KNOW HOW WE WERE SO SUCCESSFUL, DEFEATING THIS RUSSIAN ARMY WITH ONLY A FEW SOLDIERS? ISLAM CAME TO US IN CHECHNYA AND DAGHESTAN AND RUSSIA AND TATARSTAN AND KAZAKHSTAN AND UZBEKISTAN, ALL THESE COUNTRIES, by Sufis. AND ISLAM WAS PRESERVED UNDER COMMUNISM FROM ONE GENERATION TO ANOTHER FOR SO MANY YEARS BY TASAWWUF. DO YOU KNOW HOW IT WAS PRESERVED? BY ZIKRULLAH AND SALAWAT ON PROPHET (S). WE ARE QADIRIS AND NAQSHBANDIS IN CHECHNYA. NAQSHBANDI (MOJADDIDI, SUHRAWARDI AND ALL THE BRANCHES). HE SAID BEFORE WE GO TO ANY WAR, BEFORE WE GO TO ANY JIHAD, WE SIT IN A CIRCLE, AND WE RECITE AL-BURDA, AND AL-MODARIYYA.

They recited Qasidatul Burda and al-Modariyya by Muhammad al-Bosairy. All of the Chechens recited together, as if in one voice, loud -- you can hear it as if it is one voice, and then they make salawat on Prophet (s), and then zikr, and then they go and fight, with the baraka of these salawat on Prophet (s) and this Zikrullah.

AND THE BURDA AND MODARIYYA ARE BEING ATTACKED NOWADAYS BY THE WAHHABI SECT -- THEY SAY THIS IS "KUFR" QASIDA AND "KUFR" SALAWAT ON PROPHET (S). AND SITTING IN A CIRCLE LIKE THAT AND MAKING ZIKRULLAH, IT HAS BEEN UNDER ATTACK FROM THE SALAFI/WAHHABI SECT, THEY ARE SAYING "KUFR" AND "SHIRK." HE SAID THIS IS HOW WE DEFEATED THE RUSSIANS, BY ZIKRULLAH AND BY SALAWAT ON PROPHET (S)! He said 837 mujahideen in Grozny were able to throw out in a short period of time 120,000 Russian soldiers.

Now that there is peace in Chechnya, THIS IDEOLOGY IS HITTING CHECHNYA. The Wahhabi and Salafi ideology are coming inside the country, giving money to people, giving them books, giving them $100 a month, and everyone is running to be Salafi or Wahhabi. He said he made an order that any Salafi or Wahhabi seen by the army will be immediately expelled and thrown out of Chechnya. That gives us a lesson, that if all the world, if all the world will come against you when you are on Haqq and they are on batil, Allah will put them down and put you up.

When they decided, the Quraysh, to kill Prophet (s), they didn't kill him, they didn't bring a bunch of killers to kill him. No. Because they wanted to distribute his blood over all the tribes so that no one could come for revenge. They brought one representative from every tribe, without using individuals' names. They came to attack the Prophet (s), but the Prophet (s) had already migrated and they found Sayyidina Ali (ra) sleeping in his bed.

And what about all of those who signed the false allegations of the CAIR, AMC, AMPCC, AMA, MPAC, ICNA, ISNA, and MSA statement against us? All of these organizations, they were afraid to sign the statement as individuals. They signed the names of their organizations in order to distribute the act upon all of them so that no one could come against any one of them.

We are and support Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, we believe in intercession, we believe in the Shafa' of Prophet (s), we believe in asking Allah through the sake of Prophet (s) and awliya. We believe in awliya, we believe in ziyara of the grave of Prophet (s), we believe in commemorating Prophet's (s) birthday. NO ONE CAN CHANGE OUR BELIEFS, AND WITH THESE BELIEFS WE ARE GOING TO SPREAD ISLAM IN THIS COUNTRY THROUGH TASAWWUF AND THROUGH SPIRITUALITY AND THROUGH ZIKR AND through love and tolerance.

They have to know that AWLIYA ARE EVERYWHERE. AWLIYA KNOW ABOUT THE FUTURE. AWLIYA KNOW THE PAST [THROUGH MUKASHIFAAT]

(AUDIENCE: NARAY TAKBIR! NARAY RISALA!)

The Wahhabis are IGNORANT; they cannot open their eyes because they are so involved in their materialistic lives that they cannot look at spirituality. You have a body and you have spiritual energy in your life. You are both spirit AND body. There cannot be body without spirit, it is impossible. They must be together. And I WILL GIVE THEM EVIDENCE, those who are watching or listening or reading. Here is the evidence:

When I was young I used to go to the biggest masjid in Beirut to pray 'asr behind my uncle, who was the Grand-Mufti, the General Secretary of the Ministry of Religious Affairs in Lebanon. The mosque had been a church until the Muslims came to Lebanon under Sayyidina Umar (ra) and made it a mosque. It's called al-Masjid al-Umary Kabir. After 'asr, I was sitting there between two of my brothers. An Afghani man, dressed in nice Sunnah clothes with a turban came, to us after we finished our prayer with salams. He tapped on my brother's shoulder and said, "You are Selim." Then he looked at my brother and said, "You are Walid." And then he said to me, "You are Hisham." We were surprised. How did he know? We had never seen him. We were very surprised.

(Abu Bakr Mojadidi is the descendant of Sayyidina Ahmad Al Farooqi As-Sirhindi (q) and Isma'il Mojadidi, who was the same Shaykh who came to Beirut for medical help. He does not know that this story is about his father)

My eldest brother looked at him and said, "Who are you?" He told us his name, and said his father had sent him to Beirut for hospitalization, for a cure for a sickness that he had. He said, "I told my father that I don't know anyone in Beirut. He said, you go to the big masjid, on such-and-such a day, after 'asr, you will see three people sitting together, that one is Selim, that one is Walid, that one is Hisham, you speak with them." We were even more surprised. We asked who his father was. He said, Shaykh ul-Mashayikh of Afghanistan, Shaykh Ibrahim. So we took that man to a hospital that my brother owned. We helped him, and then he went back to Afghanistan. And that was in the 60's.

30 years later I came to America, in 1990. In 1992 or 1993, I went to a masjid in Alameda, close to Oakland. And I met a shaykh there, a very nice shaykh, Shaykh Ahmed, who let me give the jum'a prayer. Afterwards, someone asked to speak to me. I was telling him the story -- it was Abu Bakr Mojadidi. He said, "I want to meet with you." He said, "I AM THE SON OF THAT SHAYKH." I said which shaykh? He said, "MY FATHER." I said "Shaykh Isma'il?" He said "Yes." That one who visited us in Beirut was named Isma'il al-Mojadidi, he was his father, and Allah made me meet with him after his father, Allah bless them wherever they are, after 35 years.

(Audience: Takbir! Allahu Akbar! Naray Risala! Ya Rasulallah (s))

(For a few minutes now, Abu Bakr Mojadidi is overcome with emotion, and cannot translate into Farsi)

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: Kaana Wali.[he was a saint].

For those who are denying wilaya, denying awliya, we say THEY ARE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE ON JUDGMENT DAY, THOSE WHO DENOUNCE AWLIYA, WHEN ALLAH SAYS, "Alaa inna Awliya Allahi la khawfun 'aleihim wa lahum yahzanun." They cannot say that there are no awliya. Awliya are the inheritors of prophets and "ulama wala satun awliya." Awliya are the inheritors of Prophet (s) when he said, the scholars of the ummah are the inheritors of the prophets. Not the doctors and the businessmen and engineers who are coming and saying "reformist, reformist, reformist." And more than this, "activist." That is rejected on them. They can help, yes no problem. They can help to build masajid.

But doctors and engineers cannot deduce principles and deduce Shari'ah and teach the fundamentals and principles of Islam. IT IS ONLY FOR ULAMA. AND ULAMA MEANS 'alimun 'amil, an 'alim who DOES what he knows. He acts upon it. He is a pious person, a sincere person, not an 'alim sitting only to get money. As we know, many people are getting money from certain sources for their positions, and then they are condemning all other Muslims.

MUSLIMS of today are being brainwashed by the ideology of the Wahhabis throughout the world. But Alhamdulillah, as much as they are trying to spread this ideology, THEY ARE NOT ABLE. THEY CANNOT SPREAD IT ALL OVER BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF Muslims are rejecting it. Throughout the WHOLE WORLD, Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a are in the majority. More than 90% of the ulama are Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, and the Muslims adhere to these correct beliefs. But the ideology of the Wahhabis is being supported by literature, by the leadership of ALL ORGANIZATIONS, ALL MOSQUES, that's why we hear it a lot, but there is no effect. No one is accepting the Wahhabi ideology.

When we saw there was a danger to Muslims in America, who were being labelled as extremists, WE TRIED TO STAND UP AND SAY TO THE GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT IN AN OPEN FORUM, "NO THAT IS WRONG, THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS ARE PEACEFUL PEOPLE, LOVING PEOPLE, PEOPLE OF TOLERANCE, AND THOSE WHO ARE LEADERS OF ORGANIZATIONS, AND THOSE WHO CONTROL SOME MASAJID IN AMERICA ARE THOSE WHO ARE ACCEPTING THE WAHHABI IDEOLOGY. THEY are the ones saying that all Muslims are extremists. But the majority of Muslims are peaceful. AND WE HAVE SAVED THE MUSLIMS FROM DANGER BY SEPARATING THEM FROM ANY IDEOLOGY THAT MIGHT later be called extremist.

Immediately the organizations who are being led by this extremist ideology jumped in and boycotted us. Already they have no relationship with us. They have been boycotting us for nine years. This is not something new. They boycott us because we accept Sufi Orders, tariqats. They would never talk to us. They were ALWAYS pushing us into the corner. Now they are coming and condemning us because we have made a big difference in the American understanding of Islam by telling them that Muslims do NOT accept that ideology. Muslims are peaceful people. The extremists didn't like that. They are trying to bring the whole community in America to SIGN against us, but we are standing for Haqq, and we are not afraid!

(Audience: Naray Takbir! Allahu Akbar! Naray Risala! Ya Rasul Allah! (s))

We are Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, we are Ahlut Tasawwuf, we are Ahlul Tariqa. We are not going to change. Inna mal a'malu bi niyyat. Prophet (s), "Every 'amal is according to the niyyat." Our deeds, our acts, were with good intention.

They twisted my words, they "cut and pasted" what I said. They took everything out of context and tried to twist everything to the Muslim community to show that the tasawwuf that we are living in America is bad and to show us in a bad situation.

May Allah (swt) bless all of us and bring unity to the Muslims. "Wa `atassimu bi hablillahi jami'an wa la tafarraqu." May Allah (swt) bring us back to the rope of Allah and not separate us. We are 57 different Muslim states. 57. And they say we are making disunity between Muslims, dividing the Muslim ummah. What? Dividing the Muslim ummah? THEY ARE 57 STATES. I CANNOT GO TO ANY MUSLIM COUNTRY WITHOUT AN ENTRY VISA. HOW CAN THEY CALL THESE COUNTRIES MUSLIM? I SAY "LA ILAHA ILLA ALLAH," THAT IS ENOUGH. "MUHAMMADUR RASULALLAH (S)," THEY MUST ALLOW ME TO ENTER INTO ANY MUSLIM COUNTRY. They do not accept EACH OTHER. HOW are they going to make unity? And they are blaming me, in America, saying I am dividing the Muslims.

Go and see, they are already divided.

They fight with each other. They kill each other. And all of them they say "La ilaha illa Allah Muhammadur Rasul Allah (s)." And they are killing each other. This is Islam? This is not Islam.

They left Islamic principles, and they are following either communist or socialist or ba'athist, or all kinds of ideologies that have NOTHING to do with Islam. So I am not the one dividing the Muslims. Tasawwuf and Sufi Orders are not the ones dividing the Muslims. The ones who are dividing the Muslim community are the extremist organizations in the United States who pretend to represent American Muslims, the ones who secretly conspire against those who are on Haqq.

Ashhadu an la ilaha illa Allah, wa Ashhadu anna Muhammadan Abduhu wa Rasuluhu (s)

Naqshbandi dhikr...

Shaykh Abdur Rahman Hottak, Minister of Culture for Afghani government representative: (through translator)

Bismillahir Rahman ir Rahim, Allahumma Salli 'ala Rasulina Karim, wa ma ba'd. Alhamdulillah. Abdur-Rahman (the Afghani government representative) wants to say that Alhamdulillah he is very happy and very honored to be in such a gathering, and happy that Allah has given him such an opportunity to be in such a gathering of zikr of Allah (swt).

Alhamdulillah, in Afghanistan we whole-heartedly agree and have always agreed with everything Shaykh Hisham said about Islam and Shari'ah and Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a. Always, from earlier times until today, we have accepted this in Afghanistan, and will always follow that way.

(Naray Takbir! Naray Risala!)

Alhamdulillah after 20 years of war, 20 years of fighting, 20 years of jihad in Afghanistan against the Russians and against the communist regime in Afghanistan, today we see a government in Afghanistan that is a follower of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, of Prophet Muhammad (s), and of the Naqshbandi-Mojadidi Sufi Tariqat.

(audience: Naray Takbir! Naray Risala!)

Alhamdulillah in every corner of the government, from the lowest to the highest level, we are following the ways of Islam and Shari'ah. This is why we have enemies from everywhere, because this is the path that we are following, this is the way of Allah (swt) that we are following in Afghanistan. We have enemies everywhere.

The Qur`an tells us how to govern a country. One of the aspects of life, one of the relations that you have with Allah (swt) is through Salat. And through Salat we communicate with Allah (swt), and if a person after finishing salat says, "I have communicated with Allah," Allah is his witness that he has spoken with Him. And a government is always based around salat to Allah (swt).

After Allah (swt) mentioned in Qur`an about executing a government through salat, He shows how to govern from the economic point of view. Also, e have to know to advise the people of what is right, and forbid them what is wrong. And we must tell them what the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (s) has said, and what the madhhabs, the four madhhabs have said. We must show them that path, and it is an obligation on the government to lead its people this way. And after you tell people what is the right path, you have to forbid them what is wrong. And whatever it may be, from fornication to stealing or lying, this is a government's obligation, to show the people the correct path.

For many years the Christians, the Cross, has tried to separate Muslim countries, to divide them. And now we are 57 countries, not one ummah and one country. But Alhamdulillah, Afghanistan is having a different point of view, and is trying to follow the path that the Qur`an has provided for it, and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (s).

The government of Afghanistan is declaring that no one by any means and in any way will try to bring and try to acknowledge unbelief in Afghanistan. Why did we make Islam open its eyes to Shari'ah? First, I've mentioned those verses of Qur`an. And secondly, history is evidence. We've seen other countries that have not followed an Islamic path, the Qur`an and the hadith and what the ulama of Islam have said, we see that they've not been able to fulfill their obligations to their countrymen and to the citizens of their countries. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire, we saw democracy and imperialism, and sometimes communism, prevailing over Muslim countries. We can say that this way of democracy does not help countries solve their social, economic, or other problems.

Imperialism and democracy, why do they separate Church and State? They don't allow the state to fulfill their obligations to their religion and teach the people about their religion. And the shadow of this policy has come to our Muslim countries as well, relegating Islam to the masjids and the Islamic institutions, not permitting it in social and public areas. He said they have tried tirelessly and with very much effort to bring their ideologies and ways of life to Islamic countries. And Muslim countries were not prepared for this.

These ideologies came, separating Muslims from one another and Muslim countries from one another, making one country a socialist country, one country a communist country, one country taking only the bad qualities of democracy to make a totalitarian government. Today, we see Muslim countries as proof of this oppression, and examples of Western ideologies and methods. Every oppression and every tragedy that you see in a Muslim country is because of the governments that they have. It's because they have taken democracy and made it into a dictatorial totalitarian form of government with which they have oppressed people. Today we should become aware of countries like Turkey, Syria, Egypt, and what position the Muslim peoples are in because of their government.

Afghanistan's government, because of this bad tragedy that's happening in those countries, is as it is. We've turned our faces from socialism and democracy and other ways and ideologies in Afghanistan, and have taken upon ourselves the duty that comes from Shari'ah and the ways of Prophet Muhammad (s). This is the way that we are following, not democracy. Today Afghanistan is being led by Sufis from the madhhab of Abu Hanifa. And Naqshbandis are leading Afghanistan today through Shari'ah and the ways of Prophet Muhammad (s).
(Naray Takbir! Naray Risala!)

Today we see that just because we're Muslim in a country following Shari'ah and Islamic codes, we've found many enemies throughout the world. Before the coming of this Taliban government in Afghanistan, Afghanistan was a destructive country and every corner of Afghanistan, every other city of Afghanistan, had its own government. It wasn't under one flag, one leadership. And people in each city, each village, were being oppressed and killed. Because of their different beliefs and different ways of following religion, they tried to make their followers do the same things that they did. And our movement, which is being led by Amir ul-Mu`mineen, Modara Muhammad Omar Mujahid, is a way that erases all the activities of those areas.

Before, homosexuals were allowed to go about their ways, and people who committed other crimes were not taken to justice. Today, Alhamdulillah, Afghanistan has become a very safe, peaceful country in most of its territory. Today what Islam the roles that Islam gives to a man and to a woman are kept safely in Afghanistan.

We don't have any negative opinions about technology or sciences. We're not against that. However we're against an ideology, a Western ideology, to come there and corrupt our people, we're against that.

I don't want to take up much of your time, which I already have. I just want to tell you that Alhamdulillah, in Afghanistan, we are preserving the Shari'ah of Islam and we're preserving the ways of tasawwuf, especially the ways that have been taught to us by the awliya of the Naqshbandiyya and Mojadidiyya orders; and Alhamdulillah we hope you feel very hopeful and at peace that such a country can develop and be established, and such a government has been established in Afghanistan, and Alhamdulillah from top to bottom you find Naqshbandis, and Alhamdulillah, we hope that everybody's very happy with that, and that Allah give us the Tawfiq and allow us to give some kind of contribution to the ummah of Islam. It appears to me that there are many misconceptions about the Islamic government in Afghanistan. And there's a lot of propaganda in the Western media. If you have any questions relating to Afghanistan or the Taliban government, you can be free to ask.

Salaam aleikum.

(Audience: Aleikum salaam)

Mahboob Khan: In the press there's this conception that Afghani women are especially oppressed, to the extent that they are not allowed to work, or even teach school. Is it true that women don't work at all, and secondly is it a temporary situation or is it a permanent government policy?

Afghani Minister: During the fighting in Afghanistan during the time of ustadh Rabbani, the former President, who still is President over a corner of the country, there were a lot of laboratories, a lot of schools, a lot of institutions, that were destroyed in Afghanistan. And a lot of the problem is trying to rebuild the majority of these educational and academic institutions that were destroyed.

What the Qur`an has given as the rights of women, these are the rights that women are allowed. Men also have the rights given them in the Qur`an.

Before the Taliban government came to Afghanistan, women were being raped and oppressed, and women until today are missing in Afghanistan, women who disappeared before the time of Taliban. First of all, Alhamdulillah in the society and environment that exist now in Afghanistan nobody would have the courage to do that. Second of all, prior to the war, the educational institutions were not run through an Islamic perspective. For instance, co-ed education in Afghanistan, and girls and boys were coming to the same classes at the same times. These situations have given us also barriers that we have to overcome gradually, and with Allah's help. We'll also need a lot of effort, a lot of manpower to come and fix this economic situation.

Prior to this, under communism the women were not even veiled. Slowly... We're trying to re-establish their rights in a way that many women accept.

Prior to the Taliban government in Afghanistan, women had no rights. For instance, a woman had no right to choose her husband. Almost every marriage was arranged with women having no right and no say in their future. Second, women after they were widowed were not entitled to their husbands' inheritance. Also, her dowry was not given to her at the time of marriage. Moreover, if somebody had died, his wife had to marry in his family. They had no choice. But the present government has erased all of those unfortunate scenarios from Afghanistan.

Now women have the right to choose their own husbands, women have the right to their dowries, women have the right to the inheritance of their husbands, and there are projects in Afghanistan that are... Hundreds of women are working right now in medical facilities and they're working as doctors.. As far as government positions, we've seen that in the government before everything was co-ed, now we're trying to erase that, in order to separate the women from the men in their facilities -- women's and men's facilities. Slowly once we do that, government positions will open up for women, including official positions. There are also projects where women are working, and they're getting paid for what they're doing, and they're doing it all outside of the home.

Mahboob Khan: Alhamdulillah.

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: What is the influence of the Wahhabis in Afghanistan?

Afghani Representative: As far as the Wahhabi and Salafi movement is concerned, as far as being weak, they are not weak, because there are none. You can't be strong or weak if you're nothing. And as I said before, we're following the Hanafi Madhhab and we're all following tasawwuf, and these forms of fiqh, as far as the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, and these four madhhabs. But prior to this government, there was Wahhabi influence in Afghanistan, and there were leaders who were being aided strongly by Saudi Arabia, General Rahman (?) and his political party, however they have no following now.

The majority of them through faith were not Wahhabi, but economically they were Wahhabi.

(laughter from everybody.)

They were Wahhabi because of the money coming to them and stuff like that, but deep down inside, they still hadn't changed, except for their pocketbooks.

Afghanistan for a long time was following one form of fiqh, Alhamdulillah. On the Day of Judgment may Allah guide us to follow that same path or that same way, and insha`Allah we'll never change, or have any tolerance for any other madhhab to come to Afghanistan.

(Naray Takbir! Naray Risala!)

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: They have rejected Imam Abu Hanifa in their books.

Afghani Minister: Alhamdulillah, we were aware of that, and may Allah give us strength.

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: You must make a relationship with Chechnya.

Afghani Minister: We have ties, we have a relationship with Chechnya, with the mujahideen in Chechnya. Our mujahideen go to Chechnya. Many people can go to Chechnya, even officials of Afghanistan; some people go to Chechnya.

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: Our goal is to be servants of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama', and to be as dust under the feet of our Prophet (s).

Afghani Minister: First of all, I am very happy and thankful to have had the opportunity to sit in such a gathering as this, and may Allah give us the tawfiq to be in such gatherings, and Alhamdulillah, the knowledge that you have given us, insha`Allah I will use it as far as I can, and (unclear) and furthermore, we are inviting you to Afghanistan. Come to an Islamic country such as Afghanistan which is holding the rope of Shari'ah and the rope of Prophet's (s) Sunnah, and the true way of Islam. If you would like to go to the country of Afghanistan to see what's really happening.

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: Insha`Allah we take everyone with us. You don't need a visa?

(Everyone is laughing.)

Mahboob Khan: I need to say, that as a student of Islamic history, I have seen many regimes go too far. We see the example of Iran. Initially they said, "America is the enemy, the big satan." Now the President is trying to make an approach to the US. I would cooperate from the beginning, instead of going too far to the other side. My humble request as a student is that our Islamic governments in Pakistan and Afghanistan should not take an extreme position by any means. I think Afghanistan is really a very strong Islamic government, and ought to stay a very strong Islamic government, provided it keeps its identity. For example, India managed to maintain a balance, never going to the Eastern block and never going with America -- it maintained a balance. If you can make a balance in Afghanistan... I hope that Iran's (for example) excessive fervor against the West and against the United States will not be repeated in Afghanistan. That's my humble request.

Afghani Minister: We have a common past. That was a very good observation. We have never given the approach which Iran has taken against the US or against other Muslim countries. We for example have never called America the big satan or things like that. We haven't taken that approach and we never will. Through an Islamic perspective, we'll sit with them, we want to open a dialog with any country, any Western country, whether it be the United States or any European countries who are willing to sit with and cooperate with us and achieve goals with them. From an Islamic perspective, with Shari'ah and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (s) -- that's something that we want to preserve and stick with, and we don't want that to deteriorate. With that said, we are happy to make any approaches necessary to form some form of cooperation with these countries.

Doctor (from Afghanistan): I want to add something. The Western countries must accept us as we are. We are an Islamic land, and we want to be governed by Islamic law. And they must accept us as such a land. If they want to make us a Western land, or Westernized Islam we do not accept this. For this reason, they are saying "we are against the Western influence." We are NOT against the West. We want to defend our Islam and our religion, and to live as Muslims. If they are prepared to accept us as Muslims, we are ready to accept them also! We are accepting them, because they are Ahlul Kitab, and we are not against Ahlul Kitab. But we are against kufr. And we are against the enemies of Islam.

Mawlana Shaykh Hisham: Their presence here means there is no contradiction with the government here because they are entering peacefully without a visa. Thank you very much, May Allah (swt) bless the rule, bless the government, bless all the Muslims, and support us, insha`Allah in our way, to represent Islam as the religion that Allah (swt) wanted as a perfect religion for everyone to embrace, and that's why we are seeing a lot of converts, especially in this masjid. A lot of converts, coming from everywhere, entering into Islam because of the spirit of Islam, their love for Sayyidina Muhammad (s), and their love for tariqat. May Allah bless all of you.

http://www.sunnah.org/audio/khutba/sohbat.html

Shah1

30-06-2005, 12:12 PM

Assalamo alaykom,

I agree with you that one shouldnt slander any AwliyaUllah , because the Awliya Ullah really exist .Allah calls them as HIs friend : "AWliyaUllah " . You can read the ayat in Quran in SUrah Yunus vers 62.

Shah1

30-06-2005, 12:59 PM

Salamu Alaikum

No

Nope, not according to many.

Do you not see Sidi? For you preach Fana'e Nafs, yet you cannot stop your Nafs from saying "Choose my way only! My way! My Tariqa!"

Wasalam

Assalamo alaykom,

Brother I respect and love all the Awliya Kiram because their are true servants of Allah. and they are the one who keeps Islam alive among human beeings.

Bro if you go on Yanabi . Com and say to the peopel there that repected Shayk Mewlana Nazim is not the Sultan Ul Awliya or the Qutb of the time , then you will se how they leash theire anger on you . Especially the Moderators "Qadri Razavi", Akbar Humayun Khan " who is murids of Shyak Nazim, and "irfan Khan".

I have never heard from the mouth of blessed Shayk Nazim that he has ever claimed that he is Quthbul Waqt or Sultanul Awilya. So why do these Naqshbandi Silsila murids boast to much and make lies about their own Shayk?

Yeah I belive firmly that respected Shyak Mewlana Shayk Nazim is the QUTB of his Silsila which is NAqshbandia Haqqania Silsila, but to say that he is teh Sultan Ul Awliya or Qutbul Waqt , Allaho Alim..

ahsanirfan

30-06-2005, 01:43 PM

As Shakespeare said, "Blood is no argument."

Just because the mureeds of Sheikh Nazim believe him to be the Qutb doesn't make him one. These things are subjective. Sheikh Nuh (who I, in a certain unexplainable way believe to be a Siddiq) once said that it is NOT required to believe that so and so person is a wali. The only thing we need to take care of is respect. As long as we don't disrespect those who are believed to be the awliya there should be no problem.

quran_alone

05-07-2005, 08:36 AM

I think sufism is spiritualy focussed. The problem is the young muslims today are angered by the political climate around them and look for militancy to express their rage. But as far as america and the west is concerned, their is a lot of wahabi influence in the mosques. I think Kabbani was correct in that. The problem unless you attack america and israel, muslim youth will not turn to you. Kabbani does not like militancy and the wahabis and ikhwans do.

Anyways isn't hamza yusuf sufi, he was the star at the last ISNA gathering.

ahsanirfan

05-07-2005, 12:42 PM

he is "traditional" and agrees with sufism.. but no he isnt part of a sufi order...

ahsanirfan

05-07-2005, 07:47 PM

sheikh hamza is also my spiritual guide.. does it mean that i have taken bayah on him?... ;)

Hamood

05-07-2005, 08:01 PM

sheikh hamza is also my spiritual guide.. does it mean that i have taken bayah on him?... ;)

I think the more reasonable way to interpret shaykh hamza yusuf saying 'spiritual guide' means a real spiritual guide....so are we on to something here or what?

Hamood

05-07-2005, 08:02 PM

..actually I thought he was bayt to sh. murabit al hajj.

Muhammad al-Ayyub

09-07-2005, 12:49 PM

..actually I thought he was bayt to sh. murabit al hajj.

is it true?(in the literal sense)

ahsanirfan

09-07-2005, 01:54 PM

if i am correct, then sheikh murabit ul haaj is not in a tariq... and hence sheikh hamza's bayt with him is not in tasawwuf.... sheikh hamza learnt maliki fiqh from sheikh murabit ul haaj.. apart from that i dont have any info...

Yasin786

09-07-2005, 08:17 PM

Actually the Alawi Tariqat does not give Bayah in the same way other Tariqa's do. The Alawi way is that you serve the shaykh and the shaykh chooses who is his student, it is basically accepting whatever the Shaykh wants. They say the Shaykh puts you in his heart if you are his student, and the students don't know if they are accepted or not, they just do as the shaykh asks and they dont question.

Hamood

09-07-2005, 11:54 PM

Yahya

10-07-2005, 05:25 AM

Has anyone contacted the head of the Naqshabandi Tariqah (in Turkey) and checked Nazim Haqqani's chain?

Salleyye

19-07-2005, 06:06 AM

Assalamu 'alaykum,

Hey, deos anyone know what happened to the ASFA website (http://www.sunnah.org)? It seems to have suddenly gone offline (last night it said "Site is closed.") Although I'm not a Naqshbandi-Haqqani, the site was certainly an invaluble source of information. Jazakum Allahu Khayran...

Hamza_786

21-07-2005, 09:40 AM

Asslalmu alyakum sister. i jus wanted to say that i am impressed that you are part of sufi silsila. but not only that, but the silsila of the grand shaykh, Al-Kutub Shaykh Nazim. i have been wanting to see him for many years now, and am still waiting for the opportunity. i myself am part of the Hijazi Naqshbandi tarikat, the hijazi part was started by Munazire-azam Pir Muhammad Abdul Wahab Siddiqi. its a direct family and sufi linkage to hazrat abu bakr siddiq (r.a).

anyway sister, i agree with you r point, its about time the people controlled their nafs-ammara and placed themselves under the guidance of a shaykh.

and the slandering of awliya is totally out of hand, as Allah the almighty says, "it is indeed the friends of allah that do not fear and nor do they grieve"

which one of us isnt afraid of death???????????

wassalaam

mujahideenryder

21-07-2005, 12:01 PM

naqshabandi haqqani order :thumbdown:

abdul kareem hanif

24-07-2005, 08:08 PM

asalaamo aalykum
First of all. I admire th haqqani order

tazkiyyah

28-07-2005, 11:16 PM

Open Letter to our respected brother Shaykh Hisham Kabanni

July 24, 2005, 17 Jumaada al-Thaany 1426 A.H.

Audhu bi-llahi mina shaitani rajim,

Bismillahi-r-Rahmani-r-Rahim,

La haula wa la quwatta illa bi-llahi-l ‘Aliyu-l’ Azim.

Meded,

We ask Allah Almighty to bless Shaykh Hisham and the many good efforts he has undertaken to disseminate the honorable teachings of our beloved Shaykh, Master and Spiritual Parent of the Naqshbandi Way, Shaykh Nazim Al-Haqqani. May Allah grant him long life and cause his efforts to be known and understood that they may be carried forth.

As-salaamu alikum wa rahmatulahi wa barakatahu,

We are prompted to ask several questions to clear a path amidst much confusion created by public statements and actions carried out by you and your organizations on matters we believe to be of the utmost importance to our Naqshbandi Way and the good teachings of Shaykh Nazim Al-Haqqani. Insha’a Allah, this process of clarification will work to strengthen and improve us all and better enable us to follow the example of our beloved teacher, Shaykh Nazim Al-Haqqani, under the guise of the most honored of mankind Prophet Muhammad (saw) by the order of Allah Almighty.

Thus we respectfully ask for clarification on the following matters,

An explanation as to why our Naqshbandi Way has been turned into a corporate entity subject to common laws and government restrictions.
A basis for copyrighting Sacred Knowledge, and the Naqshbandi-Haqqani Sufi Order name for your own exclusive purposes.
Why people under your direct control have threatened lawsuits against fellow Naqshbandi’s disseminating information about Shaykh Nazim’s life.
An explanation as to why you have entered into contractual relationships apparently on behalf of all Naqshbandi’s under Shaykh Nazim, namely an exclusive agreement with a famous Islamic publisher for the life story of Shaykh Nazim.
Efforts to copyright older photos thus limiting the availability to the public domain.
Clarification on having received important confidential documents and not respecting the terms and conditions of these documents.
Your rationale for a seemingly excessive focus on merchandising products for profit, effectively turning the Naqshbandi Way into a business venture.
The policy of solicitation of funds (nurmuhammad.com), with a donations link on the front page directly under Shaykh Nazim’s name giving the appearance that funds are collected on his behalf. Verification of funds, actual destination of funds and amounts raised are all requested at this time.
Clarification on why your own teachings are placed above Shaykh Nazim’s teachings both in placement and in frequency.
Why when having the technical ability to provide live feeds of Shaykh Nazim’s sohbets to Mureeds around the world, providing live feeds of your own sohbets and khutbahs instead.
A continued emphasis on leading American Muslims as opposed to helping them to lead themselves. Who better to lead an indigenous people than the indigenous people? This is a point that deserves much reflection.
Public statements of exclusive authorization over the Internet, which in today’s terms means control over virtually all forms of media and communications, without providing evidence of said authorization. We respectfully are seeking verifiable evidence for these public statements. The very act of requesting written verification is counter to our way, but we see no other course of action. People coming and asking Shaykh Nazim for written authorization to be a Shaykh, such foolishness, but they are coming and asking and he is giving – this does not make them a Shaykh.
An explanation as to the policy on exclusion of all other sohbets delivered by other noted and authorized Naqshbandi representatives and deputies. Namely, Shaykh Adnan. If you are the only authorized site, should not you work to provide a vehicle for these teachings to be heard in equal or greater proportion to your own? Global sohbets over the Internet should be delivered by Shaykh Nazim and clearly set apart from all other teachings, if any.
Linking to other Naqshbandi sites that by your own publicly available statements are not authorized, thus creating conflict and confusion as to what is really authorized and what is not authorized. How do you verify authorization from the heart and should you?
Discrepancies on the publicly displayed “Disclaimer”, listing three authorized sites and the “Important Announcement”, listing several others. Are the sum total of the sites the “authorized sites”?
Seemingly falsified credentials of the director/operator on (nurmuhammad.com) as having attended the Haqqani Institute, Advanced Islamic Studies Program. Providing the impression that Institutional learning is a prescribed method of Shaykh Nazim and that an accredited Institute in fact exists when no such institute does exist. Other Institutes named in America, real or imagined? The very idea of institution is counter to our way.
An explanation for entering into Damascus and not contacting the one appointed deputy, an authorized Khalifa by Shaykh Abdullah Daghistani, according to Shaykh Nazim Al-Haqqani. The successor of Shaykh Nazim Al-Haqqani by his own words.
Clarification on why Shaykh Nazim’s Damascus house was opened to persons and occupied for the past ten years, apparently rent free, forcing Shaykh Nazim to stay elsewhere when visiting Damascus. An approximate date when the house will be vacated.
Tabloid tactics in presenting “Secrets of the Heart” with appeals for donations closely associated with proclaimed sacred knowledge.
Entering into politics!
Promoting Democracy as a method of Islamic governance, counter to clear statements to the contrary by Shaykh Nazim (Examples can be provided upon request).
Spearheading and cooperating with several efforts to develop the notion of a moderate brand of Islam as opposed to promoting a traditional brand of Islam. A distinction seemingly designed to civilize the Indians, effectively placing them on reservation, striping them of their dignity, robbing them of their rich heritage and turning them into a bunch of useless drunks. Moder-ate will quickly become Moder-n, resulting in the community of noble Muslims being destroyed. We stand for traditional Islam. The call in America and other western countries should be for Muslims to go home. Fix their own problems, their own people, their own countries and leave America alone – reversing the brain drain and supporting a traditional brand of Islam. If unwilling or unable to return to your country, then migrate to Sham Shareef.
An explanation as to why people are reporting having contacted various “authorized sites” and received no timely response to their important inquiries? (Examples can be provided upon request).
The Islamic Supreme Council of America?

People will justifiably ask why I have decided to step forward now and they have a right to know. Therefore we are including the following explanation.

I have been very concerned with the way things have been conducted in America for quite some time and admittedly have had difficulty dealing with the Naqshbandi-Hisham, not to be confused with Haqqani, leadership in America even before taking initiation with Shaykh Nazim. This goes back prior to the First Unity Conference in Los Angeles. I never felt drawn towards the Naqshbandi-Hisham Way, feeling it was too “cultish” for my liking but never speaking about this openly to anyone other than on rare occasion and in an attempt to understand things better, also with my wife some years later. I always believed very strongly that any foreign born Muslim sincerely attempting to do da’wa in America would never try to place themselves in a position of leadership, but would rather search for qualified people who could better lead their own people and mentor them into becoming effective leaders – then leave, going back to the country and people they knew best. This criticism extends to most every Islamic organization and migrant Muslim in America, all vying to be leaders in a country they will never be anything more than a guest. In America, indigenous leaders, pretty much includes any natural born fourth, or at least third generation citizen whose parents are intimately familiar with the American culture and who were able to instill that into their children. In short, people who placed America first – Love America and the American people over and above other countries and people. As opposed to someone coming to lead Americans for their own selfish gains with no intention of giving up control of any organizations or efforts they initiated. In fact, you see them fighting and positioning themselves to protect and maintain controlling interest. This has always struck me as the WRONG WAY and it is clearly the WRONG WAY.

Americans are generally very good hearted generous and trusting people and they do not wish to rock the boat or make trouble until pushed to the very edge. Even as things become fairly obvious they resist speaking for fear of creating more trouble than may be solved by speaking up. Many good ones are also shy to speak, thinking it is not their place to do or say anything. Others are intimidated and afraid. This nature has caused America to be overrun by people who could care less about America and are here for themselves.

Never would I speak unless I felt pushed to speak.

I found myself sitting in the Maqam of Shaykh Abdullah Daghistani in Damascus, all alone, between Zhur and Asr prayers, contemplating these and other concerns. A little earlier I was witness to a conversation about the “Important Announcement” placed on the American Naqshbandi websites. That conversation triggered many old memories and concerns. Instead of wasting my time in the Maqam focused on these problems, as opposed to connecting my heart to Shaykh Abdullah Daghistani, I asked that I be given some clarity on these issues and that they be removed or at least resolved in my heart. Here is an account of what happened that very same afternoon.

What came in the Maqam was crystal clear. Much more clear than sitting with a physical person and hearing with the physical senses. This is the Naqshbandi training, it is essential training. It is not to be confused with imaginations.

We Naqshbandi’s are like one family. Our combined parent is Sheikh Nazim, for the less mature members of the family, he is the mother figure nurturing the child’s every need. For the more mature members of the family he is the father figure, more of the authoritarian type, providing direction and leadership. A family, like a body, has one head.

Amongst the siblings there are older siblings who necessarily have a degree of responsibility above the younger children, if they are fulfilling their proper role. They provide much in the way of comfort and help to their younger siblings and they are authorized to do much in the way of helping the younger ones. The younger ones should give them much respect. But they in no way have authorization to act as a parent -- not unless that parent has died and appoints them to act as legal guardian over the children by permission and not by choice.

An older sibling who respects the position of the parents and does not try to place themselves in the role of the parent, who instructs the children to go to the parent when asking very important questions, is a sibling who is acting in the manner that is best for the family. If an older sibling attempts to place themselves in the position as parent, it not only harms the family it also works to destroy the reputation of the family in the larger outside community. The act of trying to be a parent by a sibling does not mean that they are no longer part of the family, but even the youngest member of that family who recognizes the harm being done to the family has a right to ask why. Why, when our parents are still alive do you try to behave like our parent, is a fair and necessary question to ask. It is a question that must be asked to preserve both the family and the community. It is a question that benefits all members of the family and helps to restore the reputation of the family within the community.

Shaykh Hisham, I am asking you very clearly to stop acting like our parent. We are not in need of a parent, we have a parent. You are a respected older sibling, far above me, and an honored member of our family but you are causing harm by overstepping your authority and your position in this family. Not only have you done harm to our immediate Naqshbandi family but you have hurt our families reputation within the larger community. Worst of all, by prematurely stepping into the role of the parent you are harming the teachings of the parent and misrepresenting them as the Naqshbandi Way. On behalf of what I believe to be many confused and disgruntled followers of the Naqshbandi Way, I respectfully ask that you stop. My strongest recommendation is for you to return to your own country and leave the Americans to address their own problems. Necessarily, you must consult your Shaykh, it is not my intention to tell anyone what to do. The countries where the Naqshbandi Way is strongest are those countries lead by deputies who are understanding their own people well and their positions within the Naqshbandi family. Germany and Spain come to mind first. This advice is extended to other so-called Islamic organizations run by migrant Muslims who have left their own lands and their own people, all for a better life, and are seeking power and the status of important positions within a foreign land and under the illusion of freedom and democracy. Leave the American people to their own problems and their own concerns. I can not emphasis this enough.

You may be very angry with me for speaking and if your attachment to being a parent is great, you will likely fight me every step of the way, but having received in the Maqam of Shaykh Abdullah Daghistani, the Sultan of the Awliya, a very clear message, I have no other choice but to speak and continue to speak until this problem is resolved. Written confirmation from Shaykh Abdullah Daghistani is going to be very unlikely. Either people are accepting or not – they should listen to their own hearts.

The blessed months of Rajab, Shaban and Ramadan are just around the corner. It is my hope that we will all use this time to draw closer to Allah Almighty and reflect on what has been said and that sometime shortly after the end of Ramadan a formal response to these important questions be provided or an announcement of your clear intentions.

People have a right to ask these important questions and expect an adequate and fair response. Nonetheless, they should do so with great reverence and respect and with an eye on making things better.

One last appeal to my fellow brothers and sisters in America, Christians, Jews and Muslims alike. If you want to drink from the pure water you must go to the source, the crystal clear spring. Do not judge the Naqshbandi Way by anyone other than Naqshbandi-Haqqani – go to the source – drink. There you will find water pure and clean. You Muslims in America and elsewhere that may have been turned away from the Naqshbandi Way, I too was in your place at one time. My apologies for not speaking sooner but there was no permission. Speaking and acting without permission is the biggest problem in the world today.

It is time to take a fresh look at the source of the teaching of the Naqshbandi-Haqqani Way. Look nowhere else, not from my poor example or anyone else’s. Go to the source and see for yourself. Sheikh Nazim Al-Haqqani, the Proof of Generosity.

There are many people who dress like guides who are taking people into the wilderness. Once in the wilderness they become ever more dependent on the guide for survival, as if survival was the goal instead of the ultimate destination, which is Divine Presence. This reality extends to many organization and “Shaykhs” in America paying lip service to tassawaf. To bring people into the wilderness without the ability to bring them to their ultimate destination is to do much harm. To find Divine Presence you must ask someone who has been there – they are knowing the way and they may take you. Do not be fooled by people dressed as guides or claiming to be guides. Speaking Arabic and quoting from books does not make you a guide.

There are those who may take you to the edge of the wilderness and introduce you to a guide, these are the ones knowing there own limits and respecting the real guide.

Entering the wilderness without a real guide will lead you into a cult that hopefully will eventually teach you what a real guide is all about.

May Allah bless you and forgive me. For the honor of that one who is the most honored in Divine Presence, Sayidinah Muhammad (saw), Al-Fatiha.

James “Umar” M. McConnell

tazkiyyah

28-07-2005, 11:18 PM

GrandShaykh Nazim al-Haqqani: No Democracy in Islam

For 15 centuries Islam was linked with monarchies. Nowadays it is a new fashion to support democracy, even though there is no such thing within Islam. Democracy gives a chance to every badness. Islam will never accept to give an opportunity for evil to occur. There is no link between democracy and Islam

...In the same way the Germans will get their Kaiser back, THE OTTOMAN SULTAN IS COMING, the Libyan is coming, the Egyptian is coming, the Yemenite is coming, the Iranian is coming, the Iraqi is coming, the Syrian is coming, the Russian is coming, the Afghani is coming, the Algerian is coming, the French is coming, the Chinese is coming, the Indian is coming.

[Excerpted from 'Defending Truth' by Shaykh Nazim Al Haqqani]

Hisham Kabbani: Democracy Mandated By Islam (Really?)

Recent papers published by ISCA

Islam and Democracy
September 15, 2002

This landmark treatise discusses the nascent democratic traditions within Islam. While many opponents of democratization falsley contend that democracy is anathema to Islam, the shaykh (Hisham Kabbani) relies on historical and religious precedents to show that democracy is not only compatible with Islam, but mandated by it.

http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/bin/site/ftp/ISCA%20-%20Islam%20and%20Democracy.htm

Haqqani_

10-08-2005, 03:20 PM

Peaceful Greetings,

Subhanallah, i've been protected from the things that peopel believe about Mawlana Sheikh Nazim and the Naqshabandi tariqah. May Allah forgive us and have mercy on us. As i have only just returned from Cyprus visiting this amazing awliyah, it pains me to think that people have any doubt at all about the blessed Mawlana sheikh Nazim. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to just look at this man and know that he is more than just your everyday Awliyah, i won't make any statements as i have little proof to back up as my knowledge is smaller than tears in an ocean :D i borrowed that off someone.

To you all
Mawlana is well and asked everyone to make dua for his leg.Please do. :)

Masalaama
I send love and peace to you all

Aaisha

12-08-2005, 03:08 AM

yes mashaAllah he is a excellent man.

May Allah Ta'ala protect him always and grant him a long life. "ameen"

wassalam
sista Aaisha

Haqqani_

12-08-2005, 11:40 AM

Peaceful greetings

i've just read the post in relation to Shakyh Hisham and i'm disgusted, let us not let our egos words empower us, as however much knowledge we may think we have we have nothing , nothing at all, things are done which we don't always understand but we should be patient and most certainly not disregard a shakyh who has been put in a position by Mawlana Shakyh Nazim, do you not think if all above was true mawlana would know, he is an awliyah. Just as shias disregard Abu bakr siddique, the same appears to be done to Shakyh Hisham. we should hang our heads in shame. We know nothing.

May Allah forgive us all and have mercy on us.

Masalaama
I send peace and love to you all :D :D

Ultra-Muslim

15-08-2005, 01:49 AM

i've just read the post in relation to Shakyh Hisham and i'm disgusted, let us not let our egos words empower us, as however much knowledge we may think we have we have nothing , nothing at all, things are done which we don't always understand but we should be patient and most certainly not disregard a shakyh who has been put in a position by Mawlana Shakyh Nazim, do you not think if all above was true mawlana would know, he is an awliyah. Just as shias disregard Abu bakr siddique, the same appears to be done to Shakyh Hisham. we should hang our heads in shame. We know nothing.

Don't you compare Abu Bakr to Hisham Kabbani. That is simply INSANITY! :$

Haqqani_

17-08-2005, 01:47 PM

salaam

i was simply comparing the attitude that people have towards the both of them, i have no right or enough ilm to compare their characters, Abu Bakr Sidduque was an amazing awliyah, and is the caliph from where the naqshabandi tariqah spans from.. i apologise if it seemed i was being disrespectful.

MAy Allah forgive me.

Masalaama

Omar HH

01-09-2005, 04:27 AM

yes mashaAllah he is a excellent man.

May Allah Ta'ala protect him always and grant him a long life. "ameen"

wassalam
sista Aaisha

Ameen and benefit us from him. Ameen.

It really makes me sad when people talk about him.

traveler

01-09-2005, 03:07 PM

Salam bros and sis, i would like to make a request if its not troublesome, can any of Shaykh Nazim's mureed provide a detailed lineage of Shaykh Nazim's father which traces its roots to Sultanul Awliya Sayyidina Abdul Qadir al Jilani.. may Allah bless you.

Wasalam

Omar HH

02-09-2005, 07:51 AM

> Please can you give me an explanation of the 19. Darqawi Letter.
>
> Resistance to the fuqara, the affiliated with Allah, and to all the
> slaves of Allah comes form great ignorance and dullness since the people
> of beginnings must err. The people of the ends have no protection, let
> alone those who are at the beginning. The Prophets, peace be upon them,
> have protection, peace be upon them. Whoever sees himself among them is
> mistaken, so we should remind him with kindness and gentleness. If he is
> reminded, blessed is Allah! If not, our Lord knows us all better since
> He, the Exalted! Said, "You who believe! Watch out for yourselves. The
> one who is misguided will not harm you if you are guided".

Allah Most High has said in a hadith which is recorded in Ibn Majah
and other collections (e.g., Bukhari):

"... Whoever shows enmity against a friend of Mine, I declare war
against him! ..."

What this means, in upshot, is that if someone makes a friend of Allah
upset (purposely or due to complex ignorance), this person is in BIG
trouble.

And no one has protection from the wrath which Allah unleashes for such
a crime, not the person in the beginning of the Path, nor the person
who has finished the Path (meaning attained full ma`rifah), nor the
person who is in the middle of the Path. The only people who have
protection from this wrath are the prophets (May Allah bless them and
give them peace) - but none of us are prophets.

Thus, it is very, very dangerous and an act full of foolishness to make
a friend of Allah upset. It is as good as material and spiritual suicide.

This is what al-Darqawi means by "Resitance" or "Opposing" the fuqara'.

But one should also be careful about showing enmity to regular people
(all the slaves of Allah) as some of them may be "friends of Allah in
disguise" just like the honest and sincere fuqara' are.

[For example, if you saw most of the scholars in the Maghrib on
the street, you would not be able to distinguish them from the common
people. Thus, one should not judge by appearances. This
culture of khumul (being hidden) - except for one's students - has many
advantages and in the end leads to people who are more sincere and
more throughly experienced and qualified - as these people can pretend
to be normal in order to learn how the society actually works and what
the people are actually like - as the people will not put on a show
for them - unlike someone dressed like a religious authority in front
of which people will act differently and superficially.]

And only "dullminded" and stupid people can engage in such foolish acts
in which the Powerful Creator declares *war* against them.

Now when he says, "we should remind him with kindness and gentleness",
it means that we should remind the person who is engaging in enmity
with us that "Allah does not like that His friends be dealt with such
bad manners and people who show enmity to them or hurt them are likely
to suffer great trials and punishments in this world, in the interworld,
and in the hereafter."

If the person is reminded and takes heed, then may Allah bless him (as
we have nothing against him personally).

But if he does not cease his attacks, then we entrust his affair to
Allah (i.e. we expect Allah to declare war against him) and we entrust
our affair to Allah also (i.e. Allah knows we are free of the false
accusations that he is hurling at us).

Now, we will mention the context of this letter:

Know that if you travel the Path to Allah with sincerity, you will
gain more tawfiq and blessings than the common man or external scholar
can ever hope for. This causes *some* common people or external scholars
to be jealous of those of the Path. And they hurl accusations (verbal
and physical abuse) at the sincere fuqara'.

This happens every time a man/woman reaches the state of sincerity with
His Lord like a pattern from Allah - as Allah says "And like thus, we
appointed for each prophet enemies from the Shayateen of Ins and Jinn..."
[al-Qur'an 6:112] - hinting at the fact that Allah has a pattern of
appointing "enemies" of His friends - so that His act of Vengence may
have a domain to be carried out in. These enemies become the target
of His Vengence as one of His names is al-Muntaqim (The Avenger).

al-Darqawi is instructing his disciples that when they come across
such attacks, they should first remind the person of the grave act
he is committing and then entrust their affair to Allah (i.e. they
expect Allah to vindicate the fuqara' and deal with this enemy in a
painful manner until he repents).

In the end, the one who is misguided will not harm those that are
guided - rather, it is very likely that the one who is misguided will
incur great harm to himself due to his ignorant attacks on the friends
of Allah.

[This brings us to a needing a definition of a
friend of Allah "wali" in the hadith. The
definition is:

"al-waliyyu al-muttaqiyyu hasala lahu `ala
d-dawami l-fana'u fi-l af`ali awi l-fana'u
fi s-sifati awi l-fana'u fi dh-dhaat. aw
huwa al-muttaqiyyu fi l-baqa'."

"The Wali (friend of Allah) is the person who
Allah has given tawfiq to in obeying Him and
not disobeying Him (both externally and
internally) in most circumstances and has given
tawfiq to always or almost always be in one of
four states: (1) annihilation in His actions,
(2) annihilation in His attributes,(3) annihilation
in His Entity, or (4) in the state of subsistence
(which entails constant full ma`rifah coupled with
non-egocentrism)."

- Guidinghelper.com

mkahmed01234

20-01-2007, 01:30 AM

Sheykh Nazim condemns democracy

tilmeedh

20-01-2007, 04:16 AM

In line with the name of the thread.... I would like to ask a few questions:

1) What is up with the 'mystery stuff' in this particular tariqa? e.g. conversing with Imam Mahdi, etc..

2) Why is this the only tariqa which seems to have fantastical training by mystical spirits in the chain, while other tariqas are simply human teacher-student relationships?

3) Why does this particular tariqa seem to indulge most in 'strange' matters, such as wearing rings with 'super powers' or pointed hats that focus 'super powers' into the head? The other tariqa more or less seem to focus on simply applying the sunnah in a working model.

I would love clarification by a Haqqani (especially a Kabbanite) Naqshbandi.

Wassalam.

ozgurislam

21-01-2007, 04:42 PM

what is Mawlana shaykh Nazim is the sultan ul awliyah.

What means sultan ul awliya?

The sultan of the awliyas? what makes him that so?

abdlashay

22-01-2007, 06:51 AM

What means sultan ul awliya?

The sultan of the awliyas? what makes him that so?

Peeran na mi paranda
Mureeda(n) mi paranda.

ozgurislam

22-01-2007, 10:37 AM

Peeran na mi paranda
Mureeda(n) mi paranda.

What i dont understand you? Write english please, the question was what is sultan ul ambiya, if it is sultan (king) of the awliyas what makes him so?

celt islam

22-01-2007, 01:25 PM

assalamu'alaikom,

well brothers and sisters i would like to know why people spend all their time fighting.

The Naqshbandi haqqani tariqah is the mother of all tariqah's, and Mawlana shaykh Nazim is the sultan ul awliyah.

I advice you all to visit www.naqshbandi.org and stop slandering our awliyah mawlana shaykh nazim.

Don't Mess with an awliyah.

I totally agree with Lisanul Haq, brother we need people more like you defending our awliyah.

Brothers and sisters stop wasting you time following ur nafs and study the tariqah more. ur nafs is the one that leads you to follw the shaytan.

wassalam.

Asalaamualaykum ,

I dont mean to be rude, but how many times did sheikh nazim say the mahdi was coming?

And he never turned up!

There are many things seriously wrong with the haqani tariqah one of them is that they believe that sheikh nazim is in communication with the hidden Imam mahdi! which is not that far from what the shia believe.
Plus the haqani also believe that there will be no khalif now until the mahdi which is also a serious deviation as we dont need anyone except ALLAH to establish the deen.

Now lets also mention the fact that i have also witnessed the kissing of their shaykhs feet and making sajda to sheikh nazim , now is this Islam?

Not only have the haqani tariqah declared to themselves that sheikh nazim is sultan ul awliya but also they en force to everyone that all people should make bayah to their sheikh , it doesnt look good for the haqani-naqshbandi sect does it now!

These things are nothing compared with what is writen in their books but even worse, the last time i was in peckham mosque people were telling me that sheikh nazim was the angel of death! now somthing is wrong here and what are the muslims to do with this sect?

Iam not trying to cause ill feeling as i know very well that among the haqani group is some great and wonderfull people but where do they get their beliefs from as i dont find any hadith or ayat of quraan or among the great four schools to back up their arguments.

I want to hear what other poeple think about this.

ma salaam.

ozgurislam

22-01-2007, 02:07 PM

Asalaamualaykum ,

I dont mean to be rude, but how many times did sheikh nazim say the mahdi was coming?

And he never turned up!

There are many things seriously wrong with the haqani tariqah one of them is that they believe that sheikh nazim is in communication with the hidden Imam mahdi! which is not that far from what the shia believe.
Plus the haqani also believe that there will be no khalif now until the mahdi which is also a serious deviation as we dont need anyone except ALLAH to establish the deen.

Now lets also mention the fact that i have also witnessed the kissing of their shaykhs feet and making sajda to sheikh nazim , now is this Islam?

Not only have the haqani tariqah declared to themselves that sheikh nazim is sultan ul awliya but also they en force to everyone that all people should make bayah to their sheikh , it doesnt look good for the haqani-naqshbandi sect does it now!

These things are nothing compared with what is writen in their books but even worse, the last time i was in peckham mosque people were telling me that sheikh nazim was the angel of death! now somthing is wrong here and what are the muslims to do with this sect?

Iam not trying to cause ill feeling as i know very well that among the haqani group is some great and wonderfull people but where do they get their beliefs from as i dont find any hadith or ayat of quraan or among the great four schools to back up their arguments.

I want to hear what other poeple think about this.

ma salaam.

brother its simple Shayk Nazim is not reliable, and has not a good reputation.
I saw some Dhikr gathering video and some books of him, IT IS FAR FROM SUNNAH! AND MUCH MUCH BIDAH AND STRANGE THINGS! Stop argueing about it because it is like that!

celt islam

22-01-2007, 10:14 PM

brother its simple Shayk Nazim is not reliable, and has not a good reputation.
I saw some Dhikr gathering video and some books of him, IT IS FAR FROM SUNNAH! AND MUCH MUCH BIDAH AND STRANGE THINGS! Stop argueing about it because it is like that!

Asalaamualaykum ,

Not all bidah is unlawfull as in the case of dhikr and tasbih rosary as these do not go against the very fabric of aqeeda.

Plus culture comes into play with some things and culture is not haraam , in fact let get it straight for some people shall we , ISLAM IS NOT A CULTURE!

Here is an example of how culture and differences in culture among the community of sayyiduna Muhammad [saw]

Imam Ahmad relates from Anas (Allah be well pleased with him), with a chain of transmission all of whose narrators are those of Bukhari except Hammad ibn Salama, who is one of the narrators of Muslim, that

the Ethiopians danced in front of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace); dancing and saying [in their language], "Muhammad is a righteous servant." The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, "What are they saying?" And they said, "‘Muhammad is a righteous servant’" (Musnad al-Imam Ahmad. 6 vols. Cairo 1313/1895. Reprint. Beirut: Dar Sadir, n.d.., 3.152).

abdul kareem hanif

22-01-2007, 11:06 PM

Asalaamo Alaykum

BrotherCelt, be honest I seen you many times always trying to discredit Shaykh Nazim and the Naqshbandi Haqqani Tariqat. I seen the works of Ian Dallas and his followers and they seem bent on trying to discredit Shaykh Nazim for no reason but to assert Ian's own authority and credability over other sunni muslims by argueing that my Shaykh is better than yours. Maybe its because a mass amount of his followers left his tariqat and join Shakyh Nazim's. I met Shaykh Hisham in a conference full of great scholars and sufis from differ parts of the world and they had Shaykh Hisham to lead the prayers. I read his books on aqeedah and they are very well done. I read the whole history of the tariqat and had other senior murreeds of naqshbandi's from other Naqshbandi tariqats read it and they had nothing but good things to say even though some difference. Every Shaykh has his own methdology of bringing a believer closest to Allah swt. Some differ than others. Amougst the scholars of al sunnah i met I hear nothing but good things about Shaykh Nazim.

About Shaykh Hisham kissing Shaykh Nazim's feet. Imam Muslim kissed Imam Bukhari on the feet that is respect of scholarship. Do you think they are deviant? What makes Shaykh Nazim Sultan of Alwilya is because other scholars dubbed him so and also because that is his status in his tariqat for why I do not know. Also in many tariqats you are supposed to imagine your shaykh to be qutb or highesty spirtual auithority and not think bad about your shaykh. Some sufis said," that if al khidr comes my path I will still keep my direction toward my shaykh."

About the Mahdi (as), go around other places in the world. Their are many scholars and awilya that believe that Mahdi (as) is comming soon or is here. Also yes Allah swt does establish authority but that doesnt mean that he doesnt bring it through his servants. Thats like saying I dont believe the Qu,ran because it came from Prophet (SAW) and not Allah swt directly. Allah swt brings Qu,ran by means of Angel Gibrail through prophet Muhammad (SAW,) the most blessed of creation. Similarly Allah swt feed us through are works and hands and such. Therefore Allah swt can establish the authority of Islam through the Mahdi (as) if Allah swt wills it. Or Allah swt can do it by other means.

DO you and Ian Dallas have a plan to establish Islam. How are you going to decide who is the khalifa. Muslims cant even decide how to get along in a masjid, rather than the world. Or are you and your friends going to become Khalifa or just start some populous extremist movement.

Shaykh Nazim and Shaykh Hisham do not believe that everyone has to join their tariqat. If common followers say that, every tariqat has followers who speak ignorance behalf of their shaykh with no authority or knowlledge. Any organization big enough will have ignorant people within it. The Shaykh cant be blame for something he did not tell his followers to do.

About what is written in books that are strange that Ian Dallas followers always bring up already been refuted many times. Same arguments wahabis make. And for a common muslim to declare dhikr and the like is Bida and not sunna you have too look at the whole history of great scholars and sufis in the past say about such things. There is baisis for alot of it. Why is every muslim so quick to condem and they are not even scholars or study with a scholars. Just deem what is not according to how they feel islam should be to be wierd or bida'.

And Mr. Celt I hear many things from many differ scholarary circles that say things about some positions of your organization lthat are strange ike the anti hanafi positions. How could any one call themselves a sunni and insult the master of the Imams. Imam Abu Hanifa (ra). I respect the great contributions of Maliki fiq translations some of your esteem scholars made but I dont agree with anti Hanafi statments. So please if anyone looks at any body close enough we can all find a speck in any one's eye . We should try to over look faults or assume the best which I am going to assume about those remarks I have read and heard.

Now I am not a Naqshbandi but I have friends who are and I will defend their Shaykh as strongly as I will defend Shaykh Nuh ham Mim Keller and Shaykh Habib Ali Jiffri. So please denounce your crusade of defaiming Scholars and Alwilya. Try to keep the unity of Al sunna wa Jummah and dont seek to destroy it.
wasalaam
C

tilmeedh

22-01-2007, 11:50 PM

2) Why is this the only tariqa which seems to have fantastical training by mystical spirits in the chain, while other tariqas are simply human teacher-student relationships?

3) Why does this particular tariqa seem to indulge most in 'strange' matters, such as wearing rings with 'super powers' or pointed hats that focus 'super powers' into the head? The other tariqa more or less seem to focus on simply applying the sunnah in a working model.
And I'd like to add:

4) Why does Sheikh Kabbani allow women to kiss his hands?

5) Why does he allow men and (non-hijab) women to hold hands and dance around him?

Omar HH

22-01-2007, 11:55 PM

Tilmeedh, read any Sufi book in Arabic and you will find mystical spirits training people, lol. Go ask Shaykh Nuh about that, I am wondering what he will say. Personally I find it really really strange.

salman

23-01-2007, 07:14 AM

salamu `alaykum

I believe Sidi Celt associates hismelf with Shaykh `Abd al Qadir Murabit. It is well know that Shaykh `Abd al Qadir and the Haqqanis have their differences - and are at each others necks. The barrage of strong words between Sidi `Umar Vadillo and Shaykh Gibril is only proof of that.

Thus, Sidi Celts constant disregard for the Haqqanis seems to be a typical discredited jarh (criticism) that stems more from partisianship than anything else. Ofcourse,, one can find scholars criticising the murabitun also - I mean traditional scholars. I will mention no names, but things always go both ways.

Further, Sidi Ozgur in his haste blurted out things that would have better been left unsaid. It is is odd that one would defend the likes of Saddam Hussain but not a Shaykh of a spiritual path whose murids include top Muftis and scholars. Surely, there may be some perceived problems, and the murids of Shaykh Nazim may be doing acts contrary to the Shari`ah. However, as Sidi Gibril told me that those among Shaykh Nazim's murids who dont follow the Shari`ah are held in low regard compared to those who do. Also, he stated that when Shaykh Nazim was told about people attacking the actions of his murids he simply replied "A bimaristan (hospital) is for sick people" meaning that people join a tariqa BECAUSE they are sick and have a problem, not because they are kamil awliya.

I think the members on this forum who ascribe to the Haqqani Tariq have made the stances on certain positions clear. These are people who have actually been to Cyprus and spent time with Shaykh Nazim, not people living hundreds of miles away basing their information on hearsay.

When Mufti Desa'i was shown some of the words of Shaykh Nazim that Samir Kadi used to make takfir on him, he stated that all of these words could be interpreted in a positive light according to what we know and understand about tasawwuf.

Sidi Tilmeedh said:

2) Why is this the only tariqa which seems to have fantastical training by mystical spirits in the chain, while other tariqas are simply human teacher-student relationships?

Is there anything in the Shari`ah that precludes such an occurrence? This is the main question. If there is not, and the Shari`ah attests to the possibility of such an occurrence, then it should not be a basis for discreditation. Yes, one does feel suspicious about such claims, but do not forget that there are dozens of spiritual masters in the past who worked on the basis of such spiritual connections.

Ibn `Arabi, for example, wrote the whole Fusus based on what was given to him through kashf. His Futuhat is also replete with such dreams, unveilings, visions, from where he got information and learning.

Further, just because their chains mention them taking from such figures does not preclude them taking from others. For example, `Abd al Khaliq al Ghujdawani is reported to have taken from Sayyidina Khidr in the "Golden chain", but it well known that he aslo had a spiritual Shaykh in-person by the name of Yusuf al Hamdani. However, Shaykh Yusuf is not mentioned in the "Golden Chain" , but Khidr is because it is narrated that Shaykh `Abd al Khaliq also took from Khidr and met him. (The silsila of Shaykh Zulfiqar mentions the Shaykh Yusuf ---> `Abd al Khaliq linkage. Actually the sanad of the two Naqshbandis groups are strikingly the same until the 31=32nd name)

Wasalam
Salman

loveProphet

23-01-2007, 08:31 AM

:ws:

Sheikh Nuh Ha Mim Keller(RH) recommends taking bay'ah with Mawlana Sheikh Nazim(RH), he thinks that the latter is a true Sheikh and respects him.

:ws:

celt islam

23-01-2007, 10:59 AM

"When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean" -Humpty Dumpty.

Asalaamualaykum ,

Like i said before!

I dont mean to be rude, but how many times did sheikh nazim say the mahdi was coming?

And he never turned up!

There are many things seriously wrong with the haqani tariqah one of them is that they believe that sheikh nazim is in communication with the hidden Imam mahdi! which is not that far from what the shia believe.

Plus the haqani also believe that there will be no khalif now until the mahdi which is also a serious deviation as we dont need anyone except ALLAH to establish the deen.

Now lets also mention the fact that i have also witnessed the kissing of their shaykhs feet and making sajda to sheikh nazim , now is this Islam?

As for regarding the kissing of feet well i think this speaks for itself , nowehere in the sunnah do we find everyone kissing the feet of sayyiduna Muhammad [saw] , not only that but what does this teach to kiss peoples feet? and its not just the feet kissing that iam conerned with , its the making sajda to sheikh nazim that disturbs me the most and i have witnessed this many many many times in fact everytime i visited sheik nazim i saw this.

quote: " I seen the works of Ian Dallas and his followers and they seem bent on trying to discredit Shaykh Nazim for no reason but to assert Ian's own authority and credability over other sunni muslims by argueing that my Shaykh is better than yours. Maybe its because a mass amount of his followers left his tariqat and join Shakyh Nazim's. "

My answer to this is " Popycock! " absolute nonsense to say the least lol
this is absolute rubbish ehehhe really!!
As for a mass amount of people leaving Shaykh Abdal qadir as sufi for the likes of sheikh nazim is total rubbish and lies, yes a couple of people left years and years and years ago but that is not a mass lol !!!!

This is not about my shaykh is better than your shaykh so lets get facts straight shall we , it is not the murabitun that believes their shaykh is sultan ul awlia now is it?

If anyome stands accused of calling their shaykh better than everyone else its the haqani sect as they believe strongly that sheilh nazim is sultan ul awlia!
so your own words speak for themselves dear brother.

Lies upon lies is what the haqaani sect is based on and the proof is in the pudding , as one only needs to read their books to see the nonsense that they believe, HOW MANY TIMES HAS SHEIKH NAZIM SAID THE MAHDI IS COMMING?;)

Plus this belief of sheikh nazim in communication with the Imam mahdi is not only a fairytale but where is his evidence?

How many times has people said they know Imam mahdi? many times and all with a different discription of what he looks like, sounds like someone is a lier no?

This is what sidi Umar vadillio has to say about the matter when dealing with the haqani sect and mr hadad.

Quote:

"Mr Haddad, has personal reasons to attack us. He thinks he can vindicate the name of Shaykh Nazim by presenting us as a Nazis. The reason behind this is the recent publication of my latest book "The Esoteric Deviation". The book is not about Shaykh Nazim, but it is rather a thoroughly argued case of the Esoterisation of Sufism and the Shariah in the XX century. Shaykh Nazim is presented as a study case of "extreme Mahdism". Mr Haddad's own thinking, in view of who his teachers are, forces him to deny the book. His recent attacks on Murabitun and our Shaykh, are part of this strategy.

The curious thing about our attackers, is that very few of them are ready to stand to the same scrutiny that they want to impose on us. They resist it. Instead, they hope to remain behind the barriers with no attention place on them. Still more curious, if you begin to question them, you discover that they are horrified at the prospect that they may have to explain what "do they stand for". They are, in effect, the judges and jury, but they cannot explain, except vaguely, what their own position is. We, Murabitun, on the contrary have to do it all the time -which we do gladly.

When the matter 'what do you stand for' comes to the surface, their words and accusations, which they have flung so passionately, lose their entity. They hang on their words with real zeal because in the face of a real debate they have no other argument. Their words do not lead anywhere they are only intended to prevent the real debate. The real debate is what frightens them.

What we have done in the past and we continue to do, is to ignore this non-sense. We undertake them it is part of being politically active. We understand that the more politically accurate you are, the more this kind of calumnies will emerge. It only shows the frustration from the opponent.

What we are concerned with will not be altered. Our political stand against capitalism, the present face of kufr, is open and clear for everyone to know. If any one wants to know what we stand for he has no need to go to sectarian journalists, they can come and ask us directly. I have always dedicated a considerable effort in the past to make our position clear. It is written and it has been spoken. We do not hide.

I consider my contribution to the work against kufr to do da?wa and to introduce the Gold Dinar. My concern, and our concern as Murabitun, is to be in the front line of action. We are minting coins, doing da'wa, building mosques, markets, maddrassas for the sake of Allah only. The sincerity of our people and the devotion to their work is best expressed by our achievements. What we have done and what we are doing today can be seen. We have the people and the communities around the world.

The Islamic Gold Dinar is a hot issue. When it comes into your hands it forces a decision: approval or disapproval. This will grow in intensity with every new coin in circulation. If we succeed with Allah's approval, we shall see the end of the banking system. The Dinar is a powerful tool for the unity Muslim nation, it will restore our muamalat, and will bring us closer to political union. Those who have entrenched in the moral comfort of the status quo would feel threatened. What we can tell them is that we do not live in their myths."

Umar Vadillo

ma salaam

abdul kareem hanif

23-01-2007, 12:23 PM

Abdul Razak

23-01-2007, 12:34 PM

:ws:

Sheikh Nuh Ha Mim Keller(RH) recommends taking bay'ah with Mawlana Sheikh Nazim(RH), he thinks that the latter is a true Sheikh and respects him.

:ws:

Really? When and where did you hear him say this?

loveProphet

23-01-2007, 01:29 PM

Really? When and where did you hear him say this?
He said it to me, i have the audio but its personal, i don't want to put it here.

Abdul Razak

23-01-2007, 01:41 PM

He said it to me, i have the audio but its personal, i don't want to put it here.

That's interesting. I didn't know that was his view.

loveProphet

23-01-2007, 01:43 PM

That's interesting. I didn't know that was his view.
I knew it before since Sheikh Nuh's Muqaddimah(of what country i forgot) had recommended bay'ah with Sheikh Nazim and respects him. Maybe a Shadhilil can expound or elucidate on this.

Omar HH

23-01-2007, 02:15 PM

Finally the truth comes out on the blessedness of Shaykh Nazim.

was Salam.

celt islam

23-01-2007, 02:59 PM

Asalaamo Alaykum

Your statement

I dont mean to be rude, but how many times did sheikh nazim say the mahdi was coming?

And he never turned up!

Yes you do intend to be rude. Every time people start talking about Naqshbandi Haqqani's you are always there to start fitnah no matter how much the ulama says good of him. So what the Shaykh tells his followers that Mahdi is comming. Study the works of sufism their are countless of shaykhs who have there believers do things and believe things inorder to test them. The medicine the Shaykh give to his mureeds is no buisness of yours.

Comparing Shaykh Nazim to shia beliefs. Look at Ian Dallas giving authorization to a Shia sufi shaykh that is well known deviant permission to teach his tariqat. I know of this Shia shaykh. There are many followers of him in the muslim community where I live. Who seems more shia now.

Like I said again there is countless of scholars and Sufis that believe the Mahdi is comming soon or he is born already. Are they all devaited because Umar Vadillio said so. Or does he still think everyone is deviated because not everyone (especialy hanafis who are 80 % of the ummah) believe that we should do his gold dinar act.

You try to bring up Shaykh Gibrail, critcism of his book. Of course he is going to critisize the book. If I who is not a scholar go out and write a book about how Ian Dallas is deviated for market sales you are going to try to send your best scholars to reply back. Shaykh Gibrail gave an excellet reply back and he is very known for his scholarship and welcome to teach amoungst the best sunni scholary circles in the west.

About Shaykh Hisham kissing Shaykh Nazim feet. Again Imam Muslim kissed Imam Bukhari on the feet. Are you going to say they are devaited.

Again I am not a Naqshbandi but I will defend their shaykh Like i will defend Shaykh Nuh Ham Mim Keller and Shaykh Habib Ali Jifri.
salaaams
Chris

Asalaamualaykum ,

Thank you for your honest responce, but you didnt answer any one of my questons ! typical really ! and your responce was what i expected.

When is the imam mahdi coming?

Who is the imam mahdi?

Where is the imam mahdi now?

How many time did the sheikh nazim say he was coming?

What were the dates given of the imam mahdis arrival?

All these questons are simple and as a muslim i want to know and have that right to know dont i?

You menstioned about a shia shaykh? that would be shaykh fadhullah who has been a frend of shaykh abdal qadir as sufi for over 30 years and both people have changed since those eairly days didnt you know that?

As an ex shia myself i know what shism is and there is not much difference between what sheikh nazim says and what shia say about the imam mahdi, both agree that the khalifate cannot be established until the coming of imam mahdi , which is shirk as everything is by ALLAH and we dont need any except ALLAH to establish the deen.

Your personal attack on shaykh abdal qadir as sufi by not calling him by his muslim name shows how much you have learnt as a muslim when dealing with topics that you dont like to answer straight as you know that deep down inside your acceptance of gross mahdism has been refuted by the muslims.

I think you really need to read umar vadillios book the Esoteric deviation in Islam , it really shows what people believe and how much they have deviated from the basics of Islam.

Quote: " About Shaykh Hisham kissing Shaykh Nazim feet"
Answer:

I didnt mean mr hisham i meant the whole jammat that were there in peckham mosque! i saw it with my own eyes! not only that but people were actually making SAJDA [ PROSTRAITION ] to sheikh nazim , that is clear Shirk!

Quote:" Imam Muslim kissed Imam Bukhari on the feet"

Answer: Another fairytale which is typical of psudo-sufi cults!

Quote : "Like I said again there is countless of scholars and Sufis that believe the Mahdi is comming soon or he is born already. "

Answer:

Well who said he is coming and when ?
we all know as muslims that the imam mahdi will come one day! so tell me somthing new no?

What sufi masters say he is coming?
where is their proof? what is their proof of this? and did he come when they said he would ?

Quote: " Ian Dallas is deviated for market sales you are going to try to send your best scholars to reply back."

Answer :

Mashallah not only can you not call shaykh abdal qadir by his given muslim name but now you call him a deviant for trying to educate people on how to re establish the khilafah and the gold dinar ! eheh what a mess really , you need to get your head sorted out seriously!

"A time is certainly coming over mankind in which there will be nothing [left] which will be of use save a dinar and a dirham." (The Musnad of Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal)

Allah says in the Qur'an:

And amongst the People of the Book there are those who, if you were to entrust them with a treasure (qintar), he would return it to you. And amongst them is he who, if you were to entrust him with a dinar would not return it to you, unless you kept standing over him. Qur'an (3,75)

Qadi Abu Bakr Ibn al-Arabi, the greatest authority on Qur'anic Law wrote in his famous "Ahkam al-Qur'an" about this ayat:

"The benefit that can be taken from this is the prohibition of entrusting the People of the Book with goods".

Qadi Abu Bakr said: "The question concerning entrusting property is legislated by the text of Qur'an." This means that the ayat is a legal judgement of absolute validity and of the greatest importance to the deen.

Entrusting wealth to non-Muslims is not allowed, but furthermore, taking a non-Muslim as a partner outside Dar al-Islam (where we stand over them) is extremely restricted, because they might cheat or might use our wealth in forbidden transactions.

Since paper-money is a promise of payment, can it be permitted to trust the issuers while they hold the payment (our property) outside our jurisdiction? History has also demonstrated repeatedly that paper money has been a permanent instrument of default and cheating the Muslims. In addition, Islamic Law does not permit the use of a promise of payment as a medium of exchange.

Actions speak louder than words, ma salaam

ozgurislam

23-01-2007, 06:42 PM

I still have NO answer why he is called Sultan ul Awliya i.e the Sultan of the Awliya's ?

salman

23-01-2007, 10:11 PM

salamu `alaykum

There have been dozens of scholars in the past who have either said the Mahdi is coming in such and such year, or have said theyve seen him, or met him. Ones reliability is not judged on such matter because it is one of "possibility" and the claimant may be right or wrong without necessitating him being a "liar" or a "fraud" - we seek refuge with Allah from accusing the scholars.

As for kissing the feet, it is permitted. Mufti Muhammad Shafi` has a whole fatwa on the issue. Maulana Ashraf `Ali Thanawi also has a whole fatwa on its permissibility. This is something known among the Salaf.

Then you retorted:

Quote:" Imam Muslim kissed Imam Bukhari on the feet"

Answer: Another fairytale which is typical of psudo-sufi cults!

Imam Muslim said to Imam Bukhari:

Da`ni hatta uqabbila rijlayka ya ustadh al ustadhayn

"Let me kiss your feet, Oh teacher of the two teachers."

The above is narrated by Imam Hakim in his ma`arif, al Khatib in his tarikh. Ibn Hajar in his Hadi al sari, Imam Subki in his Tabaqqat, and others.

In the Sunan of Imam Abu Dawud, it is narrated from one of the Companions that, "When we came to Medina, we raced to be first to dismount and kiss the hand and foot of Allah's Apostle."

It is narrated in the Sunan of tirmishi with a sound chain that two Jews kissed the hand and feet of the Messenger. This is also mentioned by Ibn Majah.

Then you stated:

I didnt mean mr hisham i meant the whole jammat that were there in peckham mosque! i saw it with my own eyes! not only that but people were actually making SAJDA [ PROSTRAITION ] to sheikh nazim , that is clear Shirk!

But those amongst his closest murids deny the above.

When Mufti Muhammad was asked about kissing the feet being impermissible because it resembles prostration, he rejected such reasoning. (see his jawahir al fiqh)

When Shaykh Nazim was asked about such accusations, he stated:

"We are Muslims. We say: La ma`buda illa Allah. That means no one is worthy of worship except Allah Almighty. But they are such square-headed people, and their heads are like footballs, empty! And what if someone respects a person that we have been ordered to respect? Man lam yuwaqqir kabirana wa lam yarham saghirana fa laysa minna. [Whoever does not revere our elders or show mercy to our little ones is not one of us.] This is tawqir al-nas, giving honor to people, as it has been ordered: anzilu al-nasa manazilahum, "Give everyone their own station." This is an order from the Shari`ah.

Wasalam
Salman

Salim

23-01-2007, 10:26 PM

I don't know if there are any murids of Shaykh Nazim here, but there was one question/concern about his tariqa that I thought maybe someone could shed some light on although it is not specific just to this tariqa. Shaykh Nazim, as I understand it, has literally thousands of murids. How then do his murids manage to have contact with and guidance from him? Your time to talk to him, I imagine, would be very far apart and short in duration. How does the student-teacher relationship work when the teacher is too busy to spend much time with you?

That was actually one of the main reasons I avoided large turuq like the Haqqani, but maybe if I had some clarification I would not need to object to such a situation.

abdul kareem hanif

24-01-2007, 02:43 AM

Asalaamo Aalykum
Thank you Salman for clarifying the issue. I am a college student who does not have enough time hold off acusation after acusation that people make about the scholars and sufis of al sunnah wa jummah, so I appreciate the help.

Now brother Salim I have many friends who are Naqshbandi's and I am about to visit one of the Shaykhs this weekend inshallah. What the mureeds do is go down the chain of command for guidance and then when they have a chance to visit Shaykh Hisham Kabbani they visit him like a few times a year. When they have a chance to visit Shaykh Nazim they visit him once a year or two. Usualy they have a support system of mureeds in an area or near there where a teacher who is authorize to teach teaches. Some time this Shaykh would travel to visit mureeds. I think this is same with shadalis and other tariqats. My friends who are in Shaykh Nuh Keller Tariqat see him once a year in New York. I also met people who are Mureeds Of Shaykh Noorandin Durkee but the ones I know live near him.

Orguislam, I mention in a previos post that other scholars and sufis dubed him Sulatan of Alwilya and he holds that position in his tariqat. In tariqat you are suppose to think of your shaykh as the highest guide and not think low of him. One saying of a famous sufi was that, "If I see Al khidr on my way to my shaykh I would only focus on my shaykh."

Mixing of teachers or thinking lowly of your teacher is frowned upon so your guide is the highest spirutal focus that is living physically.

And celt dont misquote me please it is dishonest. I said IF I who is not a scholar go out and write a book about how Ian Dallas is deviated for market sales you are going to try to send your best scholars to reply back.

If and do think are two different things. I was simply saying if someone says something inncorrect about your shaykh or anyone elses they would reply back. Just Like Shaykh GIbrail did for his Shaykh. He is not going to sit back and let some author write a book slandering his shaykh. And I dont think you would too. And if you perfer me calling Ian dallas Abdul Qadir its no problem with me. I dont find anything sinful with the name Ian or dallas.

I am glad to see Salman replied about Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim sitaution. I think anyone who thinks they can refute Mufti Muhammad Shafi (one of the greatest scholars of last century probably the greatest jurist of last century) needs to relook themselves. Instead of refuting great alim you might want to go back and continue playing your hip hop jungle music. Leave interpeting the deen to the experts (the Ulama).

About Mahdi. I know nothing. And the knowledge is with those who have it and they reveal it to those whom they choose. For me to answer such question is like a child answering questions about rocket science.

salaams
C

ozgurislam

24-01-2007, 09:47 AM

I still have NO answer why he is called Sultan ul Awliya i.e the Sultan of the Awliya's ? And how he get that status of being the King of the Awliya's?

salman

24-01-2007, 11:49 AM

I still have NO answer why he is called Sultan ul Awliya i.e the Sultan of the Awliya's ? And how he get that status of being the King of the Awliya's?

salamu `alaykum

Your question has been clearly answered in the post above.

Your objection is like an Arab coming up and stating "How can you call Maulana Thanawi Hakimul Ummah? How did he get the status of being the Hakim of the whole Muslim community?"

Such questions are utterly flimsy. Each person sees his Shaykh and teachers in a specific light. I may consider Maulana Thanawi as the greatest scholar from the sub-continent - but this is my own personal view. No one is bound to hold it. However, respect those who do.

If Shaykh Nazim's students consider him Sultan al Awliya - ahlan wa sahlan. After all, he *IS* their shaykh so they probably would believe it, and it is good that they though.

Are we bound to? Not at all. Maintain a level of adab though in regards to his rank as a scholar of the religion.

wasalam
Salman

Habib1968

24-01-2007, 12:26 PM

Salam alaikoum ;

I still have NO answer why he is called Sultan ul Awliya i.e the Sultan of the Awliya's ? And how he get that status of being the King of the Awliya's?

maybe it will awnser your question :

http://www.nurmuhammad.com/NaqshbandiSecrets/qutbanniyya.htm

Salam alaikoum

loveProphet

24-01-2007, 01:11 PM

I still have NO answer why he is called Sultan ul Awliya i.e the Sultan of the Awliya's ? And how he get that status of being the King of the Awliya's?
:ws:

Sidi Abdul Kareem has many times answered this now.

:ws:

tilmeedh

24-01-2007, 01:18 PM

http://www.nurmuhammad.com/NaqshbandiSecrets/qutbanniyya.htm
WHOA.
Ok, that website has some really weird stuff.

Grandsheik Moulana Abdullah Dhagistani (qas) said that even Seyyidina Mahdi (alai) is a follower and a student of Moulana Sheik Nazim because without the channel of Moulana Sheikh Nazim the secret of the Quran which has been passed down from the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) to Abu Bakr as Siddique (Ral), and from him right down the Golden chain of Succession of the Naqshbandi Tariqat to Moulana Sheikh Nazim, cannot enter into the heart of Seyyidina Mahdi (alai). Moulana Sheikh Nazim is going to teach Seyyidina Mahdi (alai) the knowledge of the Secret of the Quran. In this respect Seyyidina Mahdi (alai) is student of Moulana Sheikh Nazim. Moulana Sheikh Nazim is the key of the Secret of the Quran and he is the one who is going to plant this secret in the hearts of people.

For many years Moulana Sheikh Nazim has been planting this Secret which is the Secret of the Quran in the hearts of all those who have left this Dunya and are now in Barzakh. Presently, Moulana Sheikh Nazim is planting this Secret in the hearts of the living people. To do this Moulana Sheikh Nazim goes out of his body every night. All the bodies which has a soul in them gather in front of Moulana and he plants the Secret of the Quran in them. This is one of Moulana’s duties till the coming of Seyyidina Mahdi (alai).

Now I don't deny the supernatural occuring at the hands of Allah's close friends (e.g. there's some fascinating stuff in Ibn Ajiba's autobiography, and I do not doubt it).
But this website is a bit too much.
...everything is a 'secret' or an 'energy'.

I don't know if Sheikh Nazim really uttered these things, or Hisham Kabbani, or someone else. I *have* heard that North American Haqqanis have uttered things untrue about Sheikh Nazim, so that's what I will assume.

@Ozgur: "Sultan Al-Awliya" is like "Al-Imam Al-A'dham" (Abu Hanifa).

Wallahu A'lam,
Wassalam.

Habib1968

24-01-2007, 02:25 PM

Salam alaikoum ;

I also found this a bit strange :

http://kataragama.org/al-mahdi.htm

http://www.uksufi.co.uk/Mureeds/SohbetsNamed/mehdi_and_armeggadon.htm

http://www.sheiknazim2.com/sufism.html

Salam alaikoum

salman

24-01-2007, 03:03 PM

salamu `alaykum

I will delete Celt-Islams post because now it is a matter of personal partisanship turned into ugly attacks. It is clear that Sidi Celt is not willing to listen to anyone, so much so that he rejects the narrations on kissing the feet and the fatawa of the scholars regarding its permissibility by using unheard of interpretations.

Be aware Sidi Celt that *many* traditional scholars have and still do question Shaykh `Abd al Qadir Murabit. I even know of one highly respected scholar who stated regarding his movement that "they are off their knockers". This was coming not from some Haqqani, but a reliable and upright scholar from a totally neutral tariq.

Out of adab attacks on Shaykh `Abd al Qadir would not be allowed, and so the same with Shaykh Nazim.

Sidi Tilmeedh said:

WHOA.
Ok, that website has some really weird stuff.

From what I have been told, NurMuhammad is not an official Naqshbandi site in terms of it having approval from Shaykh Nazim.

I think everyone has to realise that this is tasawwuf and there are numerous things beyond our comprehension. Searching for Khidr is nothing new, proclaiming the coming of the Mahdi is nothing new, learning through means of spirits is nothing new, and anyone who has read our history and the history of the Sufis knows this.

Please also see:

Having gone through some of the statements mentioned by Shaykh Kadi, we
find that he is definitely short sighted and hasty in his conclusions. The majority of the statements can be quite easily interpreted in a manner in which it conforms to the Shariah.

It is well known that the men of Tasawwuf have at times made such statements, which externally convey a meaning that is apparently contrary to the Shariah. However, the Ulama of Tasawwuf have explained the true intended meanings of these statements, and have shown that these utterances do not constitute blasphemy. By way of example, it is famous that a group of prominent Ulama branded Shaikh Ibn Arabi a heretic. Not withstanding the prominence of these Ulama, the Ulama cum Sufis (those Ulama who are experts at both the external branches of Ilm as well as Tasawwuf) have defended him. In our opinion, most of the statements quoted in the said article of Shaykh Kadi are of this nature.

Mufti Desa'i on Samir Kadis takfir on Shaykh Nazim (http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=3072)

Wasalam

celt islam

24-01-2007, 03:18 PM

salamu `alaykum

I will delete Celt-Islams post because now it is a matter of personal partisanship turned into ugly attacks. It is clear that Sidi Celt is not willing to listen to anyone, so much so that he rejects the narrations on kissing the feet and the fatawa of the scholars regarding its permissibility by using unheard of interpretations.

Be aware Sidi Celt that *many* traditional scholars have and still do question Shaykh `Abd al Qadir Murabit. I even know of one highly respected scholar who stated regarding his movement that "they are off their knockers". This was coming not from some Haqqani, but a reliable and upright scholar from a totally neutral tariq.

Out of adab attacks on Shaykh `Abd al Qadir would not be allowed, and so the same with Shaykh Nazim.

Sidi Tilmeedh said:

From what I have been told, NurMuhammad is not an official Naqshbandi site in terms of it having approval from Shaykh Nazim.

I think everyone has to realise that this is tasawwuf and there are numerous things beyond our comprehension. Searching for Khidr is nothing new, proclaiming the coming of the Mahdi is nothing new, learning through means of spirits is nothing new, and anyone who has read our history and the history of the Sufis knows this.

Wasalam

Asalaamualaykum ,

Thanks for deleting my posts which is an open manifest act of bias!

People have a right to defend their agruments! which i did , thanks once again for you bias responce and utter selfishness!

quote:"Be aware Sidi Celt that *many* traditional scholars have and still do question Shaykh `Abd al Qadir Murabit."

Show me these scholars and prove to me from the works of shaykh abdal qadir which people dont like in fact here is his site : www.shaykhabdalqadir.com

This forum is one sided and not only that but your act of removing well known sites about shaykh nazim and his cult of mahdism proves without doubt that you defend people that have beliefs against the Quraan and sunnah .

I suggest to everyone that they read what is writen within these sites and make your own mind up!

http://kataragama.org/al-mahdi.htm

http://www.uksufi.co.uk/Mureeds/Sohb...armeggadon.htm

http://www.sheiknazim2.com/sufism.html

ozgurislam

24-01-2007, 03:19 PM

Salam alaikoum ;

maybe it will awnser your question :

http://www.nurmuhammad.com/NaqshbandiSecrets/qutbanniyya.htm

Salam alaikoum

Wow what is that site full of **** and strange things not to talk about the bidah and shirk!

When a person takes Bayyat from Moulana the spiritual power of Moulana Sheikh Nazim is always with that person immaterial of how far away in distance he is from the physical presence of Moulana. Moulana will be with him through every moment until that person reaches the grave. Until the day of judgment Moulana will be with that person. Even until he reaches in front of Allah Almighty will Moulana be with him. When Allah Almighty questions this person Moulana shall answer all questions instead of him. In this time it is not possible to find this kind of Auliya like Moulana Sheikh Nazim.

Who says so and what is proof for this?

Well i guess this is blindly following of a shayk and exadurating of a shayk. Some of the people here try to defend by saying that nurmuhammad is not a official site i see that as a poor attempt. After all if that site is not official and contains false things why dont those people contact that sites owner?

And that shayk nazim even has not a good reputation outside of his so called ''students'' read the following:

The Irrefutable Proof that Nazim al-Qubrusi Negates Islam

http://www.aicp.org/IslamicInformation/English/QubrusiNegatesIslam.htm

salman

24-01-2007, 03:22 PM

Asalaamualaykum ,

Thanks for deleting my posts which is an open manifest act of bias!

People have a right to defend their agruments! which i did , thanks once again for you bias responce and utter selfishness!

Why didnt you delete those posts from people that attacked shaykh abdal qadir as sufi ?

This forum is one sided and not only that but your act of removing well known sites about shaykh nazim and his cult of mahdism proves without doubt that you defend people that have beliefs against the Quraan and sunnah .

I suggest to everyone that they read what is writen within these sites and make your own mind up!

http://kataragama.org/al-mahdi.htm

http://www.uksufi.co.uk/Mureeds/Sohb...armeggadon.htm

http://www.sheiknazim2.com/sufism.html

I had mentioned to you that if there is an attack, which goes against proper decorum, against Shaykh `Abd al Qadir then we will delete it. However, you are also responsible to report such posts. If you point them out I will take action.

You may make any criticism you want, but it is clear that you have a personal bias due to your affiliation with the Murabitun. Also, your posts come out quite rude, condescending, and unwilling to listen to anyone on ths matter. I am not a Haqqani, but a Deobandi Chishti. I have no bias at all. Our way has disagreements with Shaykh Nazim, but we have the understanding not to turn it into a grudge match to please our nufus.

Even if you truly believe what you believe, there is a proper manner in which you can express it. You have not upheld that, and thus your posts were deleted.

Wasalam
Salman

tilmeedh

24-01-2007, 03:23 PM

:salam: Sidi,

I'd be a hypocrite if I reject the out-of-ordinary. My own Sheikh, of course, discusses karamat in his suhbas. And we find such things from the earlier Sufis whose wilayah is agreed upon.
And I agree that there are certian things that we cannot comprehend because of our low spiritual state. Take the Futuhat for instance.

BUT, there are certain things for which one has to draw the line. Such as the stuff about Sheikh Nazim taking the ruh of his murids, as opposed to the Angel of Death.
I'm sorry, but that's crossing the line. And no one should be defending this belief.

Now this is from the book 'Haqiqat ul Haqqani', about which we read:

"Haqiqat ul Haqqani" is not an Haqqani Naqshbandi book; that is it is neither authorized nor approved of by Shaykh Nazim and Shaykh Hisham.And this is from none other than http://www.sunnah.org/publication/salafi/followin.htm

Sheikh Nuh acknowledges Sheikh Nazim as an authentic Sheikh, so I will accept him as such.
And everything i read 'from' Sheikh Nazim that's non-Islamic, I'm going to reject, believing it's a lie attributed to him.
Perhaps it'd be wise for everone else to do the same for things we have no knowledge of.

It seems Sheikh Nazim's case is similar to Imam Ahmad and Imam Ja'far. Lies were attributed to him and accepted as true.

Wallahu A'lam,
Wassalam.

celt islam

24-01-2007, 03:30 PM

I had mentioned to you that if there is an attack, which goes against proper decorum, against Shaykh `Abd al Qadir then we will delete it. However, you are also responsible to report such posts. If you point them out I will take action.

You may make any criticism you want, but it is clear that you have a personal bias due to your affiliation with the Murabitun. Also, your posts come out quite rude, condescending, and unwilling to listen to anyone on ths matter. I am not a Haqqani, but a Deobandi Chishti. I have no bias at all. Our way has disagreements with Shaykh Nazim, but we have the understanding not to turn it into a grudge match to please our nufus.

Even if you truly believe what you believe, there is a proper manner in which you can express it. You have not upheld that, and thus your posts were deleted.

Wasalam
Salman

Asalaamualaykum ,

Maybe iam sick and tired of fairytale sufis islam which goes against the Quraan and sunnah, dont i have a right to queston these seriuos matters?

I asked for proof! and answers for my simple questons :lol:

Iam far from being rude thank you , iam just getting my point accros as did others, why dont you tell them the same when they openly attacked the murabitun?

You are bias lets face it and the proof is in the pudding as you never onced told off and attacked anyone for their nasty remarks against murabitun and shaykh abdal qadir as sufi.

But when it comes to giving proof of my arguments you simply delete the posts :lol:

Ma salaam

salman

24-01-2007, 03:32 PM

:salam: Sidi,

Sheikh Nuh acknowledges Sheikh Nazim as an authentic Sheikh, so I will accept him as such.
And everything i read 'from' Sheikh Nazim that's non-Islamic, I'm going to reject, believing it's a lie attributed to him.
Perhaps it'd be wise for everone else to do the same for things we have no knowledge of.

It seems Sheikh Nazim's case is similar to Imam Ahmad and Imam Ja'far. Lies were attributed to him and accepted as true.

Wallahu A'lam,
Wassalam.

salamu `alaykum

Isnt the only thing that matters is what your murshid thinks about him? So, Alhamdulilah.

I'm sure you also know about the large amounts of miracles attributed to Shaykh `Abd al Qadir Jilani. They run into hundreds, many forgeries. Shall this be taken as something against the noble Shaykh? Not at all.

The issue of NurMuhammad was dealt with by Shaykh Nazims students, all of whom stated that this site does not represent our ways, and nor is it officially licensed to do so. Thus, anything that comes out of it should be taken with a grain of salt, especially that which seems to be against the Sunni way.

High claims, also, are never a reason to cast aspersion on someone. Shaykh Ibn `Arabi said that the Muhammadan Sainthood ended with him. Shaykh `Abd al Qadir Jilani openly preached his greatness.

I have heard the Naqshbandi Mujadidi path of Shaykh Zulfiqar openly say that the Mahdi will be from them. So what?

People just need excuses to look down upon scholars. We seek refuge with Allah from this.

Wasalam

celt islam

24-01-2007, 03:34 PM

:salam: Sidi,

I'd be a hypocrite if I reject the out-of-ordinary. My own Sheikh, of course, discusses karamat in his suhbas. And we find such things from the earlier Sufis whose wilayah is agreed upon.
And I agree that there are certian things that we cannot comprehend because of our low spiritual state. Take the Futuhat for instance.

BUT, there are certain things for which one has to draw the line. Such as the stuff about Sheikh Nazim taking the ruh of his murids, as opposed to the Angel of Death.
I'm sorry, but that's crossing the line. And no one should be defending this belief.

Now this is from the book 'Haqiqat ul Haqqani', about which we read:
And this is from none other than http://www.sunnah.org/publication/salafi/followin.htm

Sheikh Nuh acknowledges Sheikh Nazim as an authentic Sheikh, so I will accept him as such.
And everything i read 'from' Sheikh Nazim that's non-Islamic, I'm going to reject, believing it's a lie attributed to him.
Perhaps it'd be wise for everone else to do the same for things we have no knowledge of.

It seems Sheikh Nazim's case is similar to Imam Ahmad and Imam Ja'far. Lies were attributed to him and accepted as true.

Wallahu A'lam,
Wassalam.

Asalaamualaykum ,

If that was the case well why hasnt sheikh nazim come out for the past 20 years and said these things are untrue?

I have been among these nazimites and heard with my own ears what they believe .

I wait for sheikh nazim to write a responce about these beliefs about their not being any questoning in the grave for his mureeds!.

Hussain20

24-01-2007, 04:30 PM

If that was the case well why hasnt sheikh nazim come out for the past 20 years and said these things are untrue?

I have been among these nazimites and heard with my own ears what they believe .

I wait for sheikh nazim to write a responce about these beliefs about their not being any questoning in the grave for his mureeds!.

Why not visit Shaykh Nazim and ask him for yourself?

I really think you should be preoccupied with yourself rather then other individuals who are probally far more better then you and I.

Someone who fears Allah should stay silent when such things are mentioned.

I remember a Shaykh in Medinah who mentioned that it was the position of the Hanabli Ulema never to defend themselves when they were slandered or lies were attributed to them.

The Shaykh stated that it was Allah who defends the Ulema and exposes those who defame them.

loveProphet

24-01-2007, 04:37 PM

faqir

24-01-2007, 04:50 PM

as-salamu alaikum

an actual murid of shaikh nazim had the following to say about the 'Nur Muhammad' site:

Nur Muhummad is a Shia who Shaykh Hisham has 'adopted' under his wing. There is not much more to say about that.

If you think the hindu books of meditation similarties are the worse ofwhat is there then you are sadly mistaken. Frankly, there are actual satanic influences there. The real deal stuff.

Abdul Razak

24-01-2007, 05:08 PM

:salam:

And everything i read 'from' Sheikh Nazim that's non-Islamic, I'm going to reject, believing it's a lie attributed to him.
Perhaps it'd be wise for everone else to do the same for things we have no knowledge of.

It seems Sheikh Nazim's case is similar to Imam Ahmad and Imam Ja'far. Lies were attributed to him and accepted as true.

Wallahu A'lam,
Wassalam.

I think this is a good way to look at this situation. I've seen, heard, and read material out there related to Sheikh Nazim and his tariqah. I'm sure I've misunderstood many things I've been exposed to. But at the end of the day, I'm not in his tariqa, so this falls into the category of matters that don't concern me. And as the hadith states, "It is from excellence in one's Islam to leave that which doesn't concern one." I feel much safer just giving him the benefit of the doubt. Because if I say something wrong against him and he truly is a wali...well, I don't want Allah declaring war against me.

abdul kareem hanif

25-01-2007, 07:27 PM

Asalaamo Alaykum

Thank you again brother salman for clarifying many issues. I did take a senior mureed of the Naqshbandi Mujjadidi whose shaykh is based off of Pakistan to a Naqshbandi Haqqani dhikr with a Shaykh and he did tell me allot of dhikrs and practices were differ from what his tariqat does but his Shaykh told him not to criticize it because they could be right and he don’t want to be the one that’s wrong.

About the author of the website Nurmuhammad, Shaykh Nurjan is not a shia and I went to do dhikr's with him with many of Shaykh Hisham's close mureeds. But then again who is authorized to say what is confusing to me and why they say the things they do is confusing because I am not a mureed. I simply a convert seeker who follows the hanafi madhab who is a student on sunnipath and who tries to learn from both barelwis and deobandi scholars or teachers.

And brother Ozgurislam, http://www.aicp.org/IslamicInformati...gatesIslam.htm is another organization called Habashis that has agenda against Naqshbandi haqqanis that have even more issues. Like fatwa’s saying wahabis are kufr and saying that some of the great sunni ulama have committed kufr who taught great scholars like Shaykh Nuh ham Mim Keller. Their claims already been addressed http://naqshbandi.org/topics/refute/aicp/default.htm
wasalaam,
Chris

yursil

22-02-2007, 01:46 AM

BismillahirRahmanirRaheem

as-salamu'alaikum,

I'm sorry to revive this thread but I just want to add this.

Much of the information that is online regarding Shaykh Maulana Nazim al Hakkani is from either overexcited mureeds who don't know any better or those deliberately looking to manipulate Shaykhs name in order to progress an agenda. For example, Shaykhnazim2.net gives the illusion that Shaykh Nazim wrote those words, but it is in fact a book written by others. These same anonymous people don't identify themselves or any source of any of the pages except via association of random pictures to text.

It is best to stick with those that offer clear audio or video of Shaykh Maulana, or transcribed Sohbets by trusted mureeds such as Khairiyah Siegel.

Khalas. Everything else is a confusion surrounding Shaykh Maulana. It is the sign of the times that saintly people can be abused in this new way on this new medium, but it is an unfortunate fact and reality of the cruelty and rising tyranny in our generation.

At the same time, nothing people say about their wariness or disregard for Shaykh Maulana hurts him in any way. But, as there are not so many saintly people like this available to us today, to hold a negative opinion is certainly dangerous as we know that Allah loves His Wali's...

Shaykh does not write books and Shaykh Maulana does not visit websites or make web pages. He gives short talks, Sohbets. These are plain for everyone to hear. The most you will see is transcribed versions of those. Anyone taking a cursory look at those sohbets and the things available under sites like sheiknazim2.com, which put his picture on the top of every page, will realize instantly that this is not the work of the same man.

Probably the largest single library of his audio is available here:
http://www.naksibendi.org/mevlana_audio.html
video here:
http://www.naksibendi.org/mevlana_video.html
and text here:
http://www.naksibendi.org/mevlana_sohbets.html

Anyway, Cyprus is only a flight away.

Wassalam.

mkahmed01234

27-02-2007, 04:39 AM

THE FOLLOWING SHYUKH CLAIM THE ARRIVAL OF IMAM MAHDI (AS)

Shaykh as-Sayyid al Habib Umar ibn Hafidh ibn as-Salim
Shaykh as-Sayyid al Habib Ali az-Zaynul Abideen ibn as-Sayyid Abd ar Rahman al Jifry

Al Habib Shaykh as-Sayyid Ahmad Masshur bin Taha al Hadad

Roberto Minichini

27-02-2007, 11:19 PM

Why we must argue about the different spiritual path's? Mawlana Shaykh Nazim is a sufi master , we don't must agree with him or with his mureed's. I make one time a trip at Lefke ,and i must say the true , i don't was very happy with what i see and with who i meet there.But i respect the Shaykh , an old traditional sunni muslim , who spent all his life in dhikr Allah. Nice , beautiful way of living ,sourrounded with the local turkish population who are very ,very far ,generally , from a live o prayer. I mean if we don't like the "taste" of this particular spiritual way , we are not forced to agree nor forced to became one of them. Roberto Minichini , Hassan Omar

Hanbali_NaqshbandiHanafi

14-03-2007, 03:45 PM

tazkiyyah

14-03-2007, 04:50 PM

Imam zaid shakir said..but in my words as follows

A woman normally is seen wearing a hijaab.
one day she is seen not wearing it.

There are 2 responses..

1) The normal muslim response

OH MY GOD....YUCK>...
OH damn..the sister is a faasiqa
Transgressress

Doesnt follow shariah anymore
screw up your face etc etc

the second response.

the sufi response
2)Subhanallah.sOMEone stole the sisters hijab

Sister Khadijah

14-03-2007, 05:27 PM

(this kinda stuff really confuses peoples like me)

mishor

14-03-2007, 07:23 PM

Asslamo Allaikum,

As a Naqshbandi there are certain actions in the Zawiyaa in London which I have seen myself with men/women touching etc. that I beleive to be in absolute CONTRADICTION to the Sunnah.

Anyone can visit the Zawiya near Seven-Sisters Road (London) & see it yourself.

I have no idea whether the Shaykh knows about it or has commented on it.
I have visited that place may times and I can say that I haven't seen any 'random' men and women, if they are strangers, touching each other. Alhamdulillah :D

mkahmed01234

23-03-2007, 11:55 PM

The Information Has Been Removed At The Request Of Mawlana Shaykh Hamza And Hazrat Abdulmateen

lumumba_s

24-03-2007, 01:02 PM

I think you should remove it for the sake of both people mentioned in it.

mkahmed01234

28-03-2007, 03:26 AM

The Information Has Been Removed At The Request Of Mawlana Shaykh Hamza And Hazrat Abdulmateen

yursil

28-03-2007, 03:28 AM

....

you still have the 'secret' in the the post above this one.

mkahmed01234

29-03-2007, 12:09 AM

Hazrat Yursil.

Is This The Great And Blessed Murid Of Maulana Shaykh Abdul Kerim (damat Barakatahum Ul Aaliya) ??????????????????

yursil

29-03-2007, 12:39 AM

BismillahirRahmanirRaheem

Hazrat Yursil.

Is This The Great And Blessed Murid Of Maulana Shaykh Abdul Kerim (damat Barakatahum Ul Aaliya) ??????????????????

as-salamu'alaikum Sidi m k ahmed,

oh no bro... I am not Great and Blessed, but I am a murid of Shaykh Effendi Abdul Kerim. As Shaykh Effendi instructs, I leave the title of Maulana for our Grandshaykh Maulana Nazim al-Haqqani.

as for me, I am just Yursil Ahmed Kidwai only looking to be a servant.

wassalam

mkahmed01234

30-03-2007, 01:58 AM

yursil

30-03-2007, 08:22 AM

Dear Sidi Yursil ibn Ahmad an-Naqshbandi al Haqqani al Uthmani ,

Asalatu Wa Salamu Alaykum ,

I Love Your Blog But I Disagree W/ U On The Deobandiyat Issue. I would think you are anti-Deobandi but your blog suprised me . Also , what is your view on Shaykh as-Sayyid Muhammad Hisham Qabbani (radhi allahu anhu) and what is your Shaykh (Shaykh Effendi Sayyed Abdul Karim (Damat Barakatahum ul Aaliya)'s view on Shaykh Kabbani (radhi allahu anhu) ??

Wasalatu Wasalam Alaykum ,

Alhadj Muhammad Abdulkaram Ahmed

BismillahirRahmanirRaheem
as-salamu'alaikum Sidi Alhadj Muhammad Abdulkaram Ahmed.

I am not anti-Deobandi or anti-Braweli. I do not enter those politics too much. As an Osmanli Naksibendi, those differences are not relevant to me. I am always willing to give the benefit of the doubt to both 'sides' of such issues. I enjoyed Shaykh Nuh's piece on this issue.

The differences between Shaykh Effendi Abdul Kerim and Shaykh Hisham are severe on issues related to politics and certain practical aspects of tariqat.

-Yursil

tilmeedh

30-03-2007, 09:54 AM

loveProphet

30-03-2007, 10:30 AM

BismillahirRahmanirRaheem
as-salamu'alaikum Sidi Alhadj Muhammad Abdulkaram Ahmed.

I am not anti-Deobandi or anti-Braweli. I do not enter those politics too much. As an Osmanli Naksibendi, those differences are not relevant to me. I am always willing to give the benefit of the doubt to both 'sides' of such issues. I enjoyed Shaykh Nuh's piece on this issue.

The differences between Shaykh Effendi Abdul Kerim and Shaykh Hisham are severe on issues related to politics and certain practical aspects of tariqat.

-Yursil
:ws:

Allhamdulillah:)

:ws:

yursil

30-03-2007, 11:46 AM

:salam:

But Sidi, if I'm not mistaken, both are still valid representatives of Sheikh Haqqani?
I ask because I did see Sheikh Kabbani with Sheikh Haqqani in a recent hadra video.

Is Sheikh Haqqani aware of the conflict? And if so, has he said anything about it?

BismillahirRahmanirRaheem
Walaikumassalam Sidi

Yes, Shaykh Hisham recently visited Shaykh Maulana. He is certainly a deputy of Shaykh Maulana. Shaykh Abdul Kerim is certainly a deputy as well. Shaykh Abdul Kerim was raised in Shaykh Maulana's presence, his house was on the path from Shaykh Maulana's house to the dergah. I am much lower than each, and it is not the best adaab to enter into conflicts between Shaykhs. Since my Shaykh was attacked publicly in the NY times by certain people, permission was granted to let people to be aware of the differences between them. That is about as far as I go.

Shaykh Maulana is quite aware of this conflict, in fact he has said he will interfere if someone interfere's with the work of Shaykh Abdul Kerim (we know what he is meaning here):

"Do not look at what people say. May you have no business with gossip. You are with permission, look at your job. If someone interferes then I will interfere."

full text (http://www.naksibendi.org/Extras/20051216_1426-ThulQada-14_Message_from_Seyh_Mevlana_to_Sheykh_Abdul_Kerim _English.rtf)

audio:
http://www.naksibendi.org/Extras/20051216_1426-ThulQada-14_MSN_Message_to_SAK.wma

For someone who is a bit confused by how Shaykh Maulana is keeping such conflicts between deputies without strict intervention at each turn.. I would suggest to get a better understanding of this please read:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=171658&postcount=6

As for such Hadras we don't perform it generally with my Shaykh and Shaykh Maulana only recently did it, from my knowledge, with this visit of Shaykh Hisham. Shaykh Effendi Abdul Kerim said he spoke to Shaykh Maulana Nazim and said "Shaykha Maulana! I hear you are doing hadra now!"

Shaykh Maulana said, "Ah what can I do, these ones.. they are sleeping during zikr. When we get them to get up they get some life in them again!"

Jawad_786

12-04-2007, 12:31 AM

I dont mean to be rude, but how many times did sheikh nazim say the mahdi was coming?

And he never turned up!

:salam:

Sorry for joining this forum so late, but I must agree with brother abdul kareem. I am not a Naqshbandi either however some mureeds of the Naqshbandi-Haqqani order spoke to me once about this about this point, they consider it sunnah to believe that the Day of Judgment will be coming soon, and personally I don't believe they are mistaken for that.

We cannot understand what 'Awlia-Allah speak of and where their knowledge comes from. But we should trust such 'Awlia because they are free from the shackles of their egos when they open their mouths to speak. Even though what they say is most of the times beyond our comprehension. If it is meant to be taken literally or not I don't know, but it does serve as a good reminder that we simply don't know how much time we have left on this Earth, so we should not become relax in doing our good works and we should hasten towards Allah (swt).

Mureed of Babaji Sarkar

13-04-2007, 03:21 PM

This is what shaykh Nazim says about al-mehdi(a.s.) according to http://www.naqshbandi-berlin.org/44899.html:

The Saviors Mehdi (a.s.) Jesus Christ (a.s.) excerpted from the talk of our beloved Maulana Sheikh Nazim Al Haqqani Al Qubrusi.

Muhammad-ul-Mehdi alaihi salaam peace be upon him is a descendant of the Holy Prophet Sayyidena Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wa sallam peace be upon him through his daughter Fatima-tu-Zahra and her sons Sayyidena Hassan and Sayyidena Hussein radiyallahu anh may Allah be well pleased with them, in the 40th generation. So he is Sayid- Hassani and Husseini. His parents live near Jeddah.

He was born between 1930 and 1940 in the Wadi Fatima, a green valley on the way from Jeddah to Medina. When he was growing up, miraculous looks started to come out of him. He had such lights. The lookings of people started to come very much on him because his growth was miraculous. He has a spot of ashes on his right cheek, like a star, and his arms reach to his knees.

By the order of the Prophet sws he was taken away from people by the Awliya/saint- Nuqaba, Nujaba, Budala, Autad and Ahyar, whose Imam is Shahabu’din- to a place behind the Mountain of Qaf. Then he was ordered to remain in the empty quarters, the Ruba Qali, a desert between Saudi Arabia and Yemen. No one can go there, because there is quick-sand, moving sands. He is not living with ordinary people now because he has such heavy power that people can’t be able to look to him.

He is living in that desert with His 99 Caliphs- highly spiritual, powerful people. There is a huge cave; its entrance is 40 meters wide. In that cave is the ‘Dome of Happiness’, which has been built by the Angels. No one can approach that cave because it is protected by Jinns/beings of smokeless fire who inhabit the earth with us, who send out electricity that may kill anyone and throw them away. Mehdi (a.s.) and his Caliphs are there, waiting for and expecting the holy command of Allah Almighty to appear. Sayyidena Mehdi (a.s.) is the most spiritual person on earth now, and all Awliya are under his command.

When he appears, he will say: "Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar..." , three times, in Damascus, and this will be heard from East to West. And the Archangel Gabriel/Jibril (a.s.) peace be upon him will shout: "Caliphatu’llah! Allah Almighty’s Caliph has just appeared! Join his army, oh believers!" Everything will be clear. Sayyidena Mehdi (a.s.) will appear with such a power that all technology will stop...

Each man in his army will be worth an army. 12000 soldiers from five countries of the West (known only to the Awliya) will come. They are always in contact with Divine Powers, which is a sign of real faith. They are steadfast, never turning their face from the Face of Allah Almighty under any circumstances. Armies turn to ashes under their gaze. They are descendants of Sayidina Ali r.a.wa k.A.w may Allah be well pleased with him. When Sayyidena Mehdi (a.s.) says: “Allahu akbar!” they will be ready at the South gate of Damascus, from Amman.

Sayyidena Mehdi (a.s.) is coming as a Saviour before Sayyidena Isa/Jesus Christ alaihi salaam peace be upon them to stop Armageddon, the 3rd World War, with Divine Power, because no one and nothing except Divine Power can stop it. No country will remain neutral in this war. All the bombs are under the control of Jinns, and the Jinn are under the command of Sayyidena Mehdi (a.s.). So nothing will be by chance; it will be only as much as Allah is asking. Everything is just arranged. There is a group of Saints, the 5 Qutubs/spiritual poles, that look after everything according to the Will of Allah. Nothing on this earth happens by chance or accident. And nothing happens without a reason...

Armageddon is the War between East and West, and it is written that the West will win and the East will vanish. This biggest of all wars is between the believers, followers of Jesus Christ (Isa a.s.), people who have prepared themselves for the Saviour, and the followers of the Anti-Christ, unbelievers, who are running after this life’s pleasures, following materialistic thoughts, seeking pleasures which their egos are asking for, asking for every freedom. They are people who always come into contact with the devil, falling under his control, and supporting the kingdom of Shaitan. They will be with the Anti-Christ because they are evil in themselves. The devils will carry them to the source of evil and devils: The Anti-Christ.

Mankind is now following satanic teachings, supporting the kingdom of devils on earth, and that is why a storm of fire will come as a punishment, blowing from East to West, North to South. The supporters of the devils will die, but the supporters of the Saviours Sayyidena Mehdi (a.s.) and Sayyidena Isa (a.s.) peace be upon them will be saved. There is no shelter for cruel people who harm others, or disobedient people who do prohibited things. Therefore everybody must try to prevent his ego from doing bad things and from having bad intentions... There is no shelter for unbelievers; nothing and no one can protect them. There is always the danger that Divine Revenge will reach them, even underground or in the skies... Therefore to believe is the first shelter.

Wrong beliefs are also dangerous. For these people it will be like they have a shield with holes around themselves, so that Divine Revenge arrows may reach them. Therefore another shelter is to believe in the right way. For some people their good character will be a shelter; people with good intentions who are pityful, helpful, just and respectful towards others, loving them. And another shelter is to give charity and to pray and make Sajda/prostration. Allah Almighty is promising to shelter good servants. Everybody must ask how he can be a good one.

Now everything is mixed up; Truth with untruth, goodness with badness, purity with dirtiness. Until the last World War comes, the times will get worse and worse. When Jesus alaihi salaam comes he will put everything in its place, and no one will be able to object... The 21st century will be the century of truth. In the last days so many men will be killed. There will be 40 times more women than men. This is because men are mostly cruel. So many of them will die, and most of the women will stay. And in that War from seven people six will die and one will remain... For those women who don’t have a husband anymore Allah will send people from behind the Mountain of Qaf, so that no one will be alone in that time. When Sayyidena Mehdi alaihi salaam peace be upon him comes, he will bring with him so many people from unknown worlds around this earth- Nuqaba, Nujaba, Budala, Autad and Ahyar...

The world will be empty after that War...everywhere will be open for the believers. According to their Kismet/share, which is written on the ‘Lauh-ul-Mahfuth’, the Preserved Tablet, Sayyidena Mehdi (a.s.) will show everyone their place... After this big War people will be like a candle ready for the match. Sayyidena Mehdi (a.s.) will open the seed of faith in their hearts, opening the hearts of the believers who lived through that War. Common people will be dressed sainthood and will be granted miraculous powers and lights from Allah Almighty.

Awliya will be love-springs... People will be perfect servants of Allah, living on prayer and Dhikr, and swimming in love-oceans... Everywhere you will find the Love of the Lord...creatures will take from you that Divine Love. We are created for that. The perfection of creation should appear in those days...No one will be interested in eating or drinking. And if they should ask to eat something, light quality natural food should come from the skies. Everyone will take his share and Dhikr should burn it, so there will be no need for toilets... May Allah make us reach those days... Bi hurmati’l Habib/for the honor of the beloved Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wa sallam peace be upon him, Fatiha.

Appearance of Al-Mehdi (a.s.) and Descention of Jesus Christ (Isa a.s.)
Appearance of .. is excerpted from the talk of our beloved Maulana Sheikh Nazim Al Haqqani Al Qubrusi.

Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim... Sayyidena Mehdi’s (a.s.) first appearance was in Hijaz, in Mekka, on Mount Arafat. That was around 1960. It was a private appearance, only for Saints. 12000 Awliya/saint came and put their hands on his hand, taking Beyat/pledge with him.

Once, when I was passing through Beirut -Lebanon-, on my way to Cyprus, I met a Sheikh from Lebanon, and I was a guest in his house. He asked me: "What news is your Sheikh giving about Mehdi alaihi salaam peace be upon him ?" I told him, that so and so many years ago we were on Arafat with Mehdi (a.s.) and 12000 Rijalu’llah, Awliya, and that we all took Beyat with Mehdi (a.s.). I was with Grandsheikh at that time. He took me with him, like a hunter keeps his dog with him. When I said this, the Sheikh from Lebanon said: "You are right. I was in Mekka Mukarama the same year with my Sheikh, and we met a person from Sudan. We asked him: "From where are you coming?", and he told us that he had come from Central Africa: "One year ago I was ordered by the Holy Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam peace be upon him to be here this year to take Beyat with Mehdi (a.s.). I have been walking on foot for one year, and I have reached here..."

So the Awliya have already taken Beyat with Mehdi (a.s.) in that year. There is a second kind of Beyat, in dreams, for people who are not prepared to meet Mehdi (a.s.) physically. And now he is waiting for the order, and then common people will take Beyat with him.

He will appear for all people, according to the Lord’s command, in the Great War, Armageddon... There are one hundred and one hindrances which he must overcome, before he can appear. Ninety-nine of those hindrances have passed. Now only two are remaining..

‘Red coloured people’ have come to Afghanistan. They must also come to Pakistan, and then to Turkey. That is the first sign: Russians coming to Turkey... Huge Russian powers will be at the West of Aleppo. They will come up to the plain of Yarmuq(?) near Aleppo. At the same time the American powers will be in Turkey, in Adana, near the sea. There will be a great slaughter in that plain. The War will last three months and during that War, Mehdi (a.s.) will appear. It will be in a year of the Hajj-ul-Akbar.

Mehdi (a.s.) will appear on Hajj, where people will take Beyat from him... From there he goes to Damascus. He will make Tekbir 3 times: "Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar!" With those Tekbirs the problem of technology is going to be finished, and it is going to be the signal for all Muslims to attack the devils...

There are 40 stations on Sayyidena Mehdi's (a.s.) way between Mekka and Damascus... He will come to the gates of Damascus, firstly to a place where the foot-prints of the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wa sallam peace be upon him and his camel are on a stone... He will enter Damascus, and there the people will take Beyat with him.

Then there are 7 stations on his way from Damascus to Istanbul- Homs, Hama, Trablus, Halep, Konya, Bursa- and in Istanbul he will take out the flag of the Prophet (s.a.w.s.) peace be upon him from the Topkapi Palace... But before that, the Padishah will appear and they will meet in Konya, where Mehdi (a.s.) will put on the sword of the Prophet and his coat, the Amanats/the relic...

After Mehdi (a.s.) has taken out the flag in Istanbul, the Anti Christ will come quickly through Khorasan in Iran, and run to Jerusalem, to go around the whole world from there for 40 days. He is now in chains- imprisoned on an unknown island that no one can approach- because he is saying: "I am your Lord", claiming to be the Lord of mankind, not just a prophet, but the Lord... He cannot move from there. He is Shaitan, the father of all devils. He is giving orders, and he has 30 deputies who are preparing people for his coming... And he is one-eyed...

Muslims are expecting Sayyidena Mehdi (a.s.) and they are waiting also for Sayyidena Isa/Jesus Christ (a.s.) to come from the Heavens. Christians are expecting Jesus Christ (a.s.) to come back from the Heavens, too. But the Jews, because they do not believe in Sayyidena Isa (a.s.) and Sayyidena Muhammad (s.a.w.s.) are still waiting for a Prophet from among themselves to appear...There will be a heavenly announcement: "The enemy of Allah, Dajjal, has appeared. Whoever wants to save himself from him must go to Damascus, Mekka or Medina". So believers will run because Dajjal will be after them. They will run like streams to Damascus, and all believers must be there for 40 days... Dajjal will go around the whole world, but 700 Angels, 700 Jinn/beings made of smokeless fire who inhabit the earth with us, and 700 Awliya from Budala, Nujaba, Nuqaba, Autad and Ahyar will protect Damascus, so he won’t be able to enter.

Damascus is a holy area, the place of the Judgement Day, where twice a day come Nur, Divine Lights, and Mercy. This area covers all that a man can see from the minaret of the Omayyad Mosque, and its Baraka/blessing spreads for a distance of six or seven days’ camel ride in all directions. After 40 days, Jesus alaihi salaam peace be upon him will come down from the Heavens. It will be the time of the Fajr prayer, when he comes down in the Omayyad Mosque in Damascus. He is coming down to a minaret of that Dome in the East, under which Sayyidena Yahya (a.s.), John the Baptist, is buried. Two Angels will protect him with their wings, and bring him down to earth. He will be wearing a green turban, and he will be shining. He has the most beautiful face, rosy and white. His beard is red, and he is sweating. And he has a sword. When he was on earth, he never touched a sword, but now he is coming as a Saviour, to save people from the hands of the Anti-Christ. His sword is a miraculous sword, a heavenly sword. It can reach any point to where he sends it. The Lord gave it to him...

He is not coming as a Prophet anymore, but as a member of the Ummah/nation of Sayyidena Muhammad (s.a.w.s.), following his Shariat. Sayyidena Mehdi (a.s.) will offer the place to Jesus (a.s.) to be Imam, but Jesus (a.s.) will refuse. Sayyidena Mehdi (a.s.) will lead the prayer once, and after that Jesus (a.s.) will be Imam... And Sayyidena Mehdi (a.s.) will be with him for 7 years...

Jesus (a.s.) will kill the Anti-Christ, break the crosses, and make clear the truth about himself and his mother Sayyidena Mariam... He will govern the Heavenly Kingdom on earth for 40 years. In his time, all technology will be destroyed, and everyone will be given miraculous powers, so that when you look somewhere and you say: "Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim, by Your Divine Permission, oh My Lord, You honoured me to be Your deputy, I ask of You", and if He gives permission, you may put your step from here to there.

After Jesus (a.s.) has killed the Anti-Christ, there will be no more devils and evil in his time...people will live a life like in Paradise, Paradise appearances, Tajallis/visions, will come on them... At that time, the purpose of Allah’s creation will appear. Isa (a.s.) will marry and have children. When he is going to die, he will be buried in Medina, in the fourth tomb next to the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.), Sayeddina Abu Bakr and Sayeddina Omar radiyallahu anh may Allah be well pleased with them, that is empty now. Then all believers will die by a sweet scent from Paradise. Everything terrible after that will come to the unbelievers, who will have started to re-appear during Jesus’ time... And the world will come to its end.

NaqshbandiHakkani

13-04-2007, 03:30 PM

:salam:

Sorry for joining this forum so late, but I must agree with brother abdul kareem. I am not a Naqshbandi either however some mureeds of the Naqshbandi-Haqqani order spoke to me once about this about this point, they consider it sunnah to believe that the Day of Judgment will be coming soon, and personally I don't believe they are mistaken for that.

We cannot understand what 'Awlia-Allah speak of and where their knowledge comes from. But we should trust such 'Awlia because they are free from the shackles of their egos when they open their mouths to speak. Even though what they say is most of the times beyond our comprehension. If it is meant to be taken literally or not I don't know, but it does serve as a good reminder that we simply don't know how much time we have left on this Earth, so we should not become relax in doing our good works and we should hasten towards Allah (swt).

BismillahirRahmanirRaheem

a salaam wa alikum,

Mawlana has stated many times the coming of Imam Mahdi as to the general public to take heed of his arrival. Those with spirtual connection with Mawlana are able to get feed on what he is really trying to say. For example, Mawlana has told many murids when they visit him .. move to the mountains since 20 years ago. This is to prepare for the coming of Mahdi as. I know personally murids in our tariqa who have these connections and never say what some other murids relate to certain indivisuals. Most murids do not have that type of spirtual connection with the Shaykh and relate what he says in his sohbets out of context. Mawlana says if my Shaykh says Mahdi as is coming tommarow we believe and if he doesn't come tommarow we are still believing. But those select few with solid connections know about Mahdi as and have even met him in the spirtual realm. It might seem hard to imagine.. but I can tell you from experiance As Iam not relating anything that I haven't been threw myself. What it boils down to is either you believe or you don't!

muslim786

13-04-2007, 03:47 PM

Asslamo Allaikum,

As a Naqshbandi there are certain actions in the Zawiyaa in London which I have seen myself with men/women touching etc. that I beleive to be in absolute CONTRADICTION to the Sunnah.

Anyone can visit the Zawiya near Seven-Sisters Road (London) & see it yourself.

I have no idea whether the Shaykh knows about it or has commented on it.

Why not talk about the zawiyah in Peckham, there is not a woman site there. True hardcore sunnah followers there.

muslim786

13-04-2007, 03:49 PM

Asalaamualaykum ,

Maybe iam sick and tired of fairytale sufis islam which goes against the Quraan and sunnah, dont i have a right to queston these seriuos matters?

I asked for proof! and answers for my simple questons :lol:

Iam far from being rude thank you , iam just getting my point accros as did others, why dont you tell them the same when they openly attacked the murabitun?

You are bias lets face it and the proof is in the pudding as you never onced told off and attacked anyone for their nasty remarks against murabitun and shaykh abdal qadir as sufi.

But when it comes to giving proof of my arguments you simply delete the posts :lol:

Ma salaam

I guess this site of yours shows excellent sunnah:

www.myspace.com/celtislamsoundsystem

Fix yourself up before commenting on others brother celt.

ibnIslam

13-04-2007, 04:01 PM

I guess this site of yours shows excellent sunnah:

www.myspace.com/celtislamsoundsystem

Fix yourself up before commenting on others brother celt.

It is hated when a man says to another man, 'Fear Allah!' and he replies, 'Worry about your own self!'

If the brother has faults, that does not mean that he is not allowed to protest munkar when he sees it.

Was I the only one who was shocked about where Nazim Haqqani pulls all these details about Imam Mahdi? Or is this something that is excused when one of the "awliyaa" start talking about matters of al-Ghayb by saying "he's in control of his nafs"? Claming that would mean we know what's in his heart, which is a delusion.

Saad

13-04-2007, 04:38 PM

I guess this site of yours shows excellent sunnah:

www.myspace.com/celtislamsoundsystem

Fix yourself up before commenting on others brother celt.

According to the brother, music is not haram. =)

muslim786

13-04-2007, 04:51 PM

According to the brother, music is not haram. =)

Its not only the music man. I am just pointing out the haram I see.

Mureed of Babaji Sarkar

13-04-2007, 05:26 PM

Tahir ul qadri, on the other hand, whom they call shaykh-ul-islam, does not belive imam mehdi is here or is comming soon. In a speech, quoting hadeeths, he says that imam mehdi (a.s.) wont come for another couple of hundred years (dont remember the exact figure).

The speech (in urdu) can be heard at:
http://www.miraj.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=71

Roberto Minichini

13-04-2007, 06:11 PM

Brother Celt , you are very funny man , your web site is comic.The beautiful girl's and the rock/pop music are clear sign's of orthodox sufism. Don't be angry with me , but for me it is very funny ! salam aleikum from Hassan Roberto Minichini