Abul Hasan
18-07-2005, 08:31 PM
:salam:
When digging around the dastardly forum that Abu Alqama (aka: Abu Taymiyah here - unless he denies it on oath) posts at; he showed us how His own school of thought operates quite succinctly when it comes to issues like manhaj, aqeeda and the "innovators" etc - albeit in shallow English grammar and punctuation :$
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Under the title: "Ubayd al-Jabiri falls into muaazanah?"
He said and declared on Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:44 pm :
salam aleykum
if reading from scholars in fiqh that have mistrakes in fiqh is forbidden, then what to say about those who have mistakes in aqidah, like the ahs'ari, ibn hajar, nawawi
it will mean that when shaykh Albani quyotes words from Abu Hamid ghazali in usul Fiqh, and Sha'rani who has kufr akbar in his tabaqat, it means that shaykh Albani is going wrong
what to say shcolares taking from Shah Waliyullah who has some wahdatul wujud
ibn taymiyah and Dhahabi defending Gilani despite his belief in abdal and others, dhahabi saying maybe his books have been altered by soofi
what to say that Nawab siddiq Hassan khan and Shawkani defended ibn Arabi, has did thanullah Amritsari, sayiong maybe he did not say these words, even Nadhir Hussain said rahimullah quoting him, I even found sh Badiudin quoting ibn Arabi in a book against taqlid
so it will mean reading all books of fiqh is forbidden
in al mughni you have tawassul by someone mean, like for the sake of this i invoke aLLAH, and alos in other hmabli books
IN saharh Tahawiyah you have that all kafir will come out of hell
and the list of shcolars having mistakes in big, even thanullah amritsari had msitakes in his tafsir denying some karamat, but all salafi scholares do take from his good books
May Allah make these new shcolars make understand
A brother even phoned sh Rabee to ask wetyher he could read Minhaj Ashairah from Safar Hawali, and the shaykh said there are other books which are better, but if he wants to read this one there is no pbm
and many salafi scholars from pak did recommend fikr sufi from Abder Rahman abde Khaliq
Afifi did recommend sharh of khalil Harras from Ansar sunnah, ibrahim ali shaykh corrected it
what to say more
On Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:15 pm , Abu Alqama proclaimed:
salam aleykum
Also Nawab Siddiq Hassan Khan also talked in some books about how to do kashf qubur
Thanullah Madni and irshad ul Haqq athri went to america to assist haraki Salih Sawi, and Shaykh Fawzan aslo said according to dr Farsi that it is permissible to give dars to turath
Badiudin gave dars to LT, Ihsan ilahi Zahir did conference with deobandi,
Zubayr Ali zai recommended ap ke masail from Mubashar Rabbani, Abdel mannan Nurpuri about Lt also said they are our brother although he acknoledges their difference
Badiudin Shah in a book called Abdel Ghani Nablusi allamah, while he is a wahadtul wujudi, and many other
all salfi read muhalla ibn hazm although he was jahmi in asma wa sifat, and these maistakes are greater than dfending qutb and al banna
also a question to these new scholars, are Abu Zayd and Ibn Jibrrin innovators, and should the hukm of mutazili jahmiyah shoyld be appiled to them, and his defending hassan banna and sayd qutb somtehing that makes you innovator
may Allah guide these new muftis to reason
On Wed Dec 31, 2003 1:34 pm - Abu Alqama said:
salam aleykum
All salafi in medina or in pakistan study bidaytul mujtahid, and ibn rushd is a defender of philospher and apostate ibn sina, according to these scholars of jarh all salafi schaolrs are misguided
Then the question is are haraki qutbi innovators and does there mistakes take them out of ahle sunnat,
I agree they have big mistakes like not criticising ikhwan and tabligh and criticsing scholars like Albani, ibn baz
But are they innovators and out of sunnah
And the saying of al banna is that we forgive ourself, while we do recognise the msitakes of these scholars and warn againts them, and then Al Banna calls to accomodate people that have kufr shirk and mistakes in aqidah, while the haraki qutbi have salafi aqidah, call to tawhid and sunnah, fight against sufi and ash'ari, and they don't say to forgive these people like sh'iah, soofi and ash'ari
So if we do not make distinction between haraki ans shiah ashari mutazili and grave whorshiper, then what is it else than pure haddadism
Reflect of people of intelligence sp, may Allah guide you
and i think the people wont see it as an atck against the sahykh of islam Nawab and Thanullah amritsari, who devoted their life against shirk and bid'ah, have salafi aqidah in asma sifat iman and others, fought against grave whorship and taqlid, and published the sunnah of the Prophet saw
On Fri Jan 02, 2004 1:53 pm - Abu Alqama said:
salam aleykum
sh rabee said it is permissible to read minhaj ash'ariah from safar and he is a scholar
sh Thanullah Madni is the greatest scholar of pak
sh Fawzan allowing to give dars to turath, he is from gretaest scholar od saudia
sh Abdel mannan Nurpuri who recommended Fikr sifi from abder Rahman Abder Khaliq is from biggets scholare from pak in his ahkam wa fatawa
so I wonder what you mean by refering to scholars, if this is not taking from scholars then what is this
and i did not call to read books of qutb and al banna, because their is no faidah Allah a'lamu, but i see no haraj in reading books of fiqh from ibn Jibrin and Bakr abu Zayd, books of tafsir, aqidah or else
then when sh Badiudin talks about a book of fiqh from Nablusi about ahkam janaiz he is wrong, Sh Albani quoting from ibn Hajj maliki while he has mistakes in aqidah,
all salfi jamiah in pak studing some parts of hujatullah balighah while his author is wahdtul wujudi
accortding to these mew scholars from bgham and other all salafi scholars are misguided
then they should refer to scholars before issuing fatwas of not reading ibn Jibrin and Abu Zayd
who is the scholar who said it is haram to read all their books ?
Who is the scholar after jarh of lajnah who said it is permissible to read anbari
who is hiding the fatwa of salih ali shaykh about ikhtilaf about tashree and keeps on claiming the aqidah of ahle sunnat is that of Albani and ibn Baz
so these people should make tawba, i only quoted scholars
And then does all mistakes take you out of salafiyah
did not shaykh Albani did call rashid Rida as salafi despite his mistakes, is he wrong ?
On Sat Jan 03, 2004 8:00 am - Abu Alqama said:
salam aleykum
about Abu Zayd and ibn Jibrin i remember sh Albani saying about abder rahman abder Khaliq he was salafi in aqidah and ikhwani in minhaj
so the formost salafi scholar says that on a harraki, and Abu Zayd and ibn Jibbrin are not far from abder Rahman Abder Khaliq,
so does it mean we can read from them what is salafi aqidah or salafi works approved by scholars, and not read only the criticised books containing their mistakes
do you agree with Albani on his judgement, being salafi and ikhwani same time, having good and bad
but now youigs are far from shcolars, they take what pleases them and hide or reject what does not please them
and ask scholars why did muhadithoun took riwayat from murji, some tashayu', and khawarij, when there are thiqah so the same from shcolars having specific mistkes
i also remmeber a paper from sp from ubayd Jabiri about reading some benefiacilas books from innovators, like that of Abu Ghuddah and some of his published books of hadith
Let us quote one more to show what Abu Alqama really thinks of Ashari's (who post here for example), dated: Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:22 pm -
salam aleykum
The Ash'aris are not from Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ah.
Ibn Hajar, Nawawi are not real Ash'aris, they reject some of their thinkings.
As for Irja Fuqahas, it is a wrong Ijtihad, and their belief is against the belief of Ahle Sunnah,
I would like to know the link where sp said that Ibn Jibbrin and Abu Zayd are to be boycotted, Barakullah Fik
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Comment: The reader can decide how far off some of His own men are from other "Salafiyya" - according to the pen of Abu Alqama himself! It only goes to show that these people are not one, nor of one Manhaj known as "al-Salafiyya" in this age! The divisions have been admitted by Abu Alqama himself. Alhamdulillah.
Wassalam
Abul Hasan
When digging around the dastardly forum that Abu Alqama (aka: Abu Taymiyah here - unless he denies it on oath) posts at; he showed us how His own school of thought operates quite succinctly when it comes to issues like manhaj, aqeeda and the "innovators" etc - albeit in shallow English grammar and punctuation :$
-----------------------------
Under the title: "Ubayd al-Jabiri falls into muaazanah?"
He said and declared on Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:44 pm :
salam aleykum
if reading from scholars in fiqh that have mistrakes in fiqh is forbidden, then what to say about those who have mistakes in aqidah, like the ahs'ari, ibn hajar, nawawi
it will mean that when shaykh Albani quyotes words from Abu Hamid ghazali in usul Fiqh, and Sha'rani who has kufr akbar in his tabaqat, it means that shaykh Albani is going wrong
what to say shcolares taking from Shah Waliyullah who has some wahdatul wujud
ibn taymiyah and Dhahabi defending Gilani despite his belief in abdal and others, dhahabi saying maybe his books have been altered by soofi
what to say that Nawab siddiq Hassan khan and Shawkani defended ibn Arabi, has did thanullah Amritsari, sayiong maybe he did not say these words, even Nadhir Hussain said rahimullah quoting him, I even found sh Badiudin quoting ibn Arabi in a book against taqlid
so it will mean reading all books of fiqh is forbidden
in al mughni you have tawassul by someone mean, like for the sake of this i invoke aLLAH, and alos in other hmabli books
IN saharh Tahawiyah you have that all kafir will come out of hell
and the list of shcolars having mistakes in big, even thanullah amritsari had msitakes in his tafsir denying some karamat, but all salafi scholares do take from his good books
May Allah make these new shcolars make understand
A brother even phoned sh Rabee to ask wetyher he could read Minhaj Ashairah from Safar Hawali, and the shaykh said there are other books which are better, but if he wants to read this one there is no pbm
and many salafi scholars from pak did recommend fikr sufi from Abder Rahman abde Khaliq
Afifi did recommend sharh of khalil Harras from Ansar sunnah, ibrahim ali shaykh corrected it
what to say more
On Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:15 pm , Abu Alqama proclaimed:
salam aleykum
Also Nawab Siddiq Hassan Khan also talked in some books about how to do kashf qubur
Thanullah Madni and irshad ul Haqq athri went to america to assist haraki Salih Sawi, and Shaykh Fawzan aslo said according to dr Farsi that it is permissible to give dars to turath
Badiudin gave dars to LT, Ihsan ilahi Zahir did conference with deobandi,
Zubayr Ali zai recommended ap ke masail from Mubashar Rabbani, Abdel mannan Nurpuri about Lt also said they are our brother although he acknoledges their difference
Badiudin Shah in a book called Abdel Ghani Nablusi allamah, while he is a wahadtul wujudi, and many other
all salfi read muhalla ibn hazm although he was jahmi in asma wa sifat, and these maistakes are greater than dfending qutb and al banna
also a question to these new scholars, are Abu Zayd and Ibn Jibrrin innovators, and should the hukm of mutazili jahmiyah shoyld be appiled to them, and his defending hassan banna and sayd qutb somtehing that makes you innovator
may Allah guide these new muftis to reason
On Wed Dec 31, 2003 1:34 pm - Abu Alqama said:
salam aleykum
All salafi in medina or in pakistan study bidaytul mujtahid, and ibn rushd is a defender of philospher and apostate ibn sina, according to these scholars of jarh all salafi schaolrs are misguided
Then the question is are haraki qutbi innovators and does there mistakes take them out of ahle sunnat,
I agree they have big mistakes like not criticising ikhwan and tabligh and criticsing scholars like Albani, ibn baz
But are they innovators and out of sunnah
And the saying of al banna is that we forgive ourself, while we do recognise the msitakes of these scholars and warn againts them, and then Al Banna calls to accomodate people that have kufr shirk and mistakes in aqidah, while the haraki qutbi have salafi aqidah, call to tawhid and sunnah, fight against sufi and ash'ari, and they don't say to forgive these people like sh'iah, soofi and ash'ari
So if we do not make distinction between haraki ans shiah ashari mutazili and grave whorshiper, then what is it else than pure haddadism
Reflect of people of intelligence sp, may Allah guide you
and i think the people wont see it as an atck against the sahykh of islam Nawab and Thanullah amritsari, who devoted their life against shirk and bid'ah, have salafi aqidah in asma sifat iman and others, fought against grave whorship and taqlid, and published the sunnah of the Prophet saw
On Fri Jan 02, 2004 1:53 pm - Abu Alqama said:
salam aleykum
sh rabee said it is permissible to read minhaj ash'ariah from safar and he is a scholar
sh Thanullah Madni is the greatest scholar of pak
sh Fawzan allowing to give dars to turath, he is from gretaest scholar od saudia
sh Abdel mannan Nurpuri who recommended Fikr sifi from abder Rahman Abder Khaliq is from biggets scholare from pak in his ahkam wa fatawa
so I wonder what you mean by refering to scholars, if this is not taking from scholars then what is this
and i did not call to read books of qutb and al banna, because their is no faidah Allah a'lamu, but i see no haraj in reading books of fiqh from ibn Jibrin and Bakr abu Zayd, books of tafsir, aqidah or else
then when sh Badiudin talks about a book of fiqh from Nablusi about ahkam janaiz he is wrong, Sh Albani quoting from ibn Hajj maliki while he has mistakes in aqidah,
all salfi jamiah in pak studing some parts of hujatullah balighah while his author is wahdtul wujudi
accortding to these mew scholars from bgham and other all salafi scholars are misguided
then they should refer to scholars before issuing fatwas of not reading ibn Jibrin and Abu Zayd
who is the scholar who said it is haram to read all their books ?
Who is the scholar after jarh of lajnah who said it is permissible to read anbari
who is hiding the fatwa of salih ali shaykh about ikhtilaf about tashree and keeps on claiming the aqidah of ahle sunnat is that of Albani and ibn Baz
so these people should make tawba, i only quoted scholars
And then does all mistakes take you out of salafiyah
did not shaykh Albani did call rashid Rida as salafi despite his mistakes, is he wrong ?
On Sat Jan 03, 2004 8:00 am - Abu Alqama said:
salam aleykum
about Abu Zayd and ibn Jibrin i remember sh Albani saying about abder rahman abder Khaliq he was salafi in aqidah and ikhwani in minhaj
so the formost salafi scholar says that on a harraki, and Abu Zayd and ibn Jibbrin are not far from abder Rahman Abder Khaliq,
so does it mean we can read from them what is salafi aqidah or salafi works approved by scholars, and not read only the criticised books containing their mistakes
do you agree with Albani on his judgement, being salafi and ikhwani same time, having good and bad
but now youigs are far from shcolars, they take what pleases them and hide or reject what does not please them
and ask scholars why did muhadithoun took riwayat from murji, some tashayu', and khawarij, when there are thiqah so the same from shcolars having specific mistkes
i also remmeber a paper from sp from ubayd Jabiri about reading some benefiacilas books from innovators, like that of Abu Ghuddah and some of his published books of hadith
Let us quote one more to show what Abu Alqama really thinks of Ashari's (who post here for example), dated: Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:22 pm -
salam aleykum
The Ash'aris are not from Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ah.
Ibn Hajar, Nawawi are not real Ash'aris, they reject some of their thinkings.
As for Irja Fuqahas, it is a wrong Ijtihad, and their belief is against the belief of Ahle Sunnah,
I would like to know the link where sp said that Ibn Jibbrin and Abu Zayd are to be boycotted, Barakullah Fik
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Comment: The reader can decide how far off some of His own men are from other "Salafiyya" - according to the pen of Abu Alqama himself! It only goes to show that these people are not one, nor of one Manhaj known as "al-Salafiyya" in this age! The divisions have been admitted by Abu Alqama himself. Alhamdulillah.
Wassalam
Abul Hasan