View Full Version : Diff between Ahl al-Sunnah and Barelwis - Shaykh Zulfiqar Naqshbandi
17-05-2011, 07:13 AM
Hazrath in his smooth voice explains
Why we called ourself as deobandi?because.. and lots..
17-05-2011, 10:37 PM
17-05-2011, 11:46 PM
can i get a summary of this in english please?
17-05-2011, 11:48 PM
Can someone provide a summary in English?
17-05-2011, 11:54 PM
shaikh says diff with beralwi is in aqida. 4 main points of aqidaa - not jus fiqh
nur bashar- ilm ghaib - hazir nazir - mukhtar kull
shaikh says we call ourselve deobandi to differecite between real and fake sunis... just saying we are ahle sunah not enuf. other gruops also use this.
17-05-2011, 11:56 PM
And he considers Barelwis to be "fake Sunnis"?
18-05-2011, 02:01 AM
he didn't use the words fake, rather he said "if we say we are ahlesunnah..." [pauses] adience says "...wal jamah" "...well the brelwis also say that. therefore to call yourself deobandi means that you are ahlesunnah but in the indian subcontinent you have to differentiate yourself from the brelwis." if you didn't say that you would have to say: we are muslim, we are from the subconinent, we follow ahlesunnah wal jamah, we don't believe/agree with the excesses of the brelwis. so rather than making that long sentence you can saywe're "deobandi" because it entails all the above, not because it's a sect, but because it differentiates from those who as the brelwis do.
also he went into the four differences mentioned above at some length to clarify them for ppl.
18-05-2011, 10:38 AM
Mashallah what a good advert for unity
18-05-2011, 11:47 PM
This is saddening. I was under the impression that the Shaykh was "neutral" and did not discuss these issues.
19-05-2011, 12:05 AM
for the record he never said that the brelos were "fake" ahlesunnah, he didn't judge them in that regard. but he did say that under the circumstances our predecessors were labelled (yes they were labelled as deobandies, and wahabis and kafirs read history b4 accusing deobandies of being sectarian) and forced to refer to themselves as deobandies so that people would not mistake them as having been associated with thinking that rasullah (saws) was noor etc. etc.
19-05-2011, 12:07 AM
Mashallah what a good advert for unity
food for thought, should unity be based on "haqq" or "batil"?
i think a complete renunciation of the takfeer against deobandies is in order before any good can happen...don't you?
19-05-2011, 12:20 AM
you should also know that there are times when these differences must be taught and clarified before an audience, not for hate mongering but because people should why the scholars of old had to refute the teachings of maulana ahmed raza khan brelwi (which were eventually responded to with blanket takfeers). in india/pak it is necessary for people in certain instances for one to know about these differences, so that they do not accept the wrong aqeedah (at least by deobandi standards) of the brelos. scholars are allowed to advise their congregations i this regard.
now did he call for bombings of brelo biddat dens? or civil war? yet you accuse him of being divisive (veiled), where he did was to honestly explained the differences clarified the principles behind them, and done so in a respectful manner with no use of degrading language towards the brelos. obviously there is an element of diviseness, yet he has not increased the division one bit he explained, the division is a reality of our time. get over it.
for a change i really enjoyed his soft language and discussion of the reasons for the actions of the scholars of old (i.e. just before the split). what he did was explain history, and if that seems bad to you, well, history is history and there's nothing that can be done to change it.
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