faqir
21-07-2005, 02:04 PM
:salam:
Very little surprises me from the in-fighting amongst the pseudo-Salafi cult but this one was shocking to say the least.
Read for yourself an example of the extreme takfiri mentality found among some of the claimants to the "salafi" way. The article found here (http://www.geocities.com/abu_ghaazi/Aswj_Forum.html) was posted on the ASWJ forum.
The necessity of making takfeer on Bin Baaz
By Abou Muwahhid
Abdul 'Azeez bin 'Abdullah bin Baaz was one of those scholars who was extremely close to the Tawaagheet (apostate rulers and ministers) of the Saudi regime. Many fake Salafis adore him and praise him beyond belief, to a level where they have blindly taken him as a false god, criteria and measurement to judge what is haq and what is baatil (falsehood).
Their taqleed (blind following) of this man has left them completely disoriented, resulting in them no longer referring back to the Qur'aan, Sunnah and understanding of the Sahaabah exclusively. No matter how many verses and ahaadeeth you quote to them, their only counter argument is, "Yes BUT, Ibn Baaz said…", thus rejecting the divine rules and verses of Allah (swt).
Due to the fact that he permitted the blood of the Mujaahideen and their families in the Arabian Peninsula, the existence of the apostate Saudi regime, and the occupation of the land of Rasoul-Ullah (saw) by the Americans, many 'Ulamaa who follow Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah made baraa' (disassociation) from him and even declared him as an apostate (kaafir). However, some of these scholars later retreated from their takfeer (including Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi) in response to the advice which was given to them by some sincere Muslims and scholars.
However, we and the Sheikh which we refer to and love for the sake of Allah have chosen not to retreat from this takfeer upon Ibn Baaz, despite the fact that we have been advised to do so by some sincere brothers and 'Ulamaa who we refer to and love.
This is because what Ibn Baaz stood for was complete apostasy and kufr, and to this day his manhaj (method) and principles give complete justification to the existence of many corrupted scholars and Tawaagheet. Based upon his fataawaa (Islamic verdicts), occupying Muslim land, not implementing the Sharee'ah, imprisoning scholars and killing the Mujaahideen etc. has become halaal (lawful).
Many of these scholars and students of knowledge who we love for the sake of Allah (swt) agree that his manhaj is complete apostasy and contrary to Islam, yet they still advise us not to make takfeer upon him. We would like to say to these brothers, how can we make takfeer on his manhaj but not him? Isn’t this irjaa' (separating Eemaan from actions)? If a person's manhaj and what he stood for was kufr, then as a principle of Eemaan, this necessitates that he too must be a kaafir! We cannot say, "Don't call a fornicator "fornicator". He committed fornication but don't call him a fornicator!" This is the argument of the Murji-ah (those who separate Eemaan from actions); therefore we chose not to take this advice.
Baaziyyah (what Ibn Baaz stood for) is complete kufr and shirk, and our takfeer upon him is not like the Khawaarij as the fake Salafis like to assert and fabricate about us. We do not make takfeer based upon sin, rather takfeer should only be based upon a person committing major forms of kufr and shirk, and this is exactly what Ibn Baaz did.
Any person who chooses to make takfeer upon him should not be criticised at all, as takfeer is Ijtihaad (extracting a divine rule from the Qur'aan and Sunnah), therefore if we are right we get two rewards, and if we are wrong we get one reward – how can you attack and ridicule someone who makes valid Ijtihaad and even gets rewarded by his Lord!? Surely this is not the characteristic of the true Muwahhid (monotheist) or even Muslim.
So we would like to say to those who mock at, backbite and slander the sincere Muslims and scholars who follow the Saviour Sect and make takfeer upon this Kaafir Murtad Ibn Baaz: FEAR ALLAH in the way you speak and learn to respect valid Ijtihaad which is based upon the Qur'aan and Sunnah.
Ibn Baaz was a Murtad and enemy of Allah (swt). We hope and pray to Allah (swt) that he puts him and those who worship and love him in the same place on the Day of Judgement…Aameen.
Very little surprises me from the in-fighting amongst the pseudo-Salafi cult but this one was shocking to say the least.
Read for yourself an example of the extreme takfiri mentality found among some of the claimants to the "salafi" way. The article found here (http://www.geocities.com/abu_ghaazi/Aswj_Forum.html) was posted on the ASWJ forum.
The necessity of making takfeer on Bin Baaz
By Abou Muwahhid
Abdul 'Azeez bin 'Abdullah bin Baaz was one of those scholars who was extremely close to the Tawaagheet (apostate rulers and ministers) of the Saudi regime. Many fake Salafis adore him and praise him beyond belief, to a level where they have blindly taken him as a false god, criteria and measurement to judge what is haq and what is baatil (falsehood).
Their taqleed (blind following) of this man has left them completely disoriented, resulting in them no longer referring back to the Qur'aan, Sunnah and understanding of the Sahaabah exclusively. No matter how many verses and ahaadeeth you quote to them, their only counter argument is, "Yes BUT, Ibn Baaz said…", thus rejecting the divine rules and verses of Allah (swt).
Due to the fact that he permitted the blood of the Mujaahideen and their families in the Arabian Peninsula, the existence of the apostate Saudi regime, and the occupation of the land of Rasoul-Ullah (saw) by the Americans, many 'Ulamaa who follow Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah made baraa' (disassociation) from him and even declared him as an apostate (kaafir). However, some of these scholars later retreated from their takfeer (including Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi) in response to the advice which was given to them by some sincere Muslims and scholars.
However, we and the Sheikh which we refer to and love for the sake of Allah have chosen not to retreat from this takfeer upon Ibn Baaz, despite the fact that we have been advised to do so by some sincere brothers and 'Ulamaa who we refer to and love.
This is because what Ibn Baaz stood for was complete apostasy and kufr, and to this day his manhaj (method) and principles give complete justification to the existence of many corrupted scholars and Tawaagheet. Based upon his fataawaa (Islamic verdicts), occupying Muslim land, not implementing the Sharee'ah, imprisoning scholars and killing the Mujaahideen etc. has become halaal (lawful).
Many of these scholars and students of knowledge who we love for the sake of Allah (swt) agree that his manhaj is complete apostasy and contrary to Islam, yet they still advise us not to make takfeer upon him. We would like to say to these brothers, how can we make takfeer on his manhaj but not him? Isn’t this irjaa' (separating Eemaan from actions)? If a person's manhaj and what he stood for was kufr, then as a principle of Eemaan, this necessitates that he too must be a kaafir! We cannot say, "Don't call a fornicator "fornicator". He committed fornication but don't call him a fornicator!" This is the argument of the Murji-ah (those who separate Eemaan from actions); therefore we chose not to take this advice.
Baaziyyah (what Ibn Baaz stood for) is complete kufr and shirk, and our takfeer upon him is not like the Khawaarij as the fake Salafis like to assert and fabricate about us. We do not make takfeer based upon sin, rather takfeer should only be based upon a person committing major forms of kufr and shirk, and this is exactly what Ibn Baaz did.
Any person who chooses to make takfeer upon him should not be criticised at all, as takfeer is Ijtihaad (extracting a divine rule from the Qur'aan and Sunnah), therefore if we are right we get two rewards, and if we are wrong we get one reward – how can you attack and ridicule someone who makes valid Ijtihaad and even gets rewarded by his Lord!? Surely this is not the characteristic of the true Muwahhid (monotheist) or even Muslim.
So we would like to say to those who mock at, backbite and slander the sincere Muslims and scholars who follow the Saviour Sect and make takfeer upon this Kaafir Murtad Ibn Baaz: FEAR ALLAH in the way you speak and learn to respect valid Ijtihaad which is based upon the Qur'aan and Sunnah.
Ibn Baaz was a Murtad and enemy of Allah (swt). We hope and pray to Allah (swt) that he puts him and those who worship and love him in the same place on the Day of Judgement…Aameen.