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sunni_marwat
23-07-2005, 07:31 PM
One day, the ruler of Rome at the time sent an envoy to Baghdad with three challenges for the Muslims. When the messenger reached the city, he informed the khalīfah that he had three questions which he challenged the Muslims to answer.

The khalīfah gathered together all the scholars of the city and the Roman messenger climbed upon a high platform and said, "I have come with three questions. If you answer them, then I will leave with you a great amount of wealth which I have brought from the king of Rome." As for the questions, they were: "What was there before Allāh?" "In which direction does Allāh face?" "What is Allāh engaged in at this moment?"

The great assembly of people were silent. In the midst of these brilliant scholars and students of Islam was a man looking on with his young son. "O my dear father! I will answer him and silence him!" said the youth. So the boy sought the permission of the khalīfah to give the answers and he was given the permission to do so.

The Roman addressed the young Muslim and repeated his first question, "What was there before Allāh?"

The boy asked, "Do you know how to count?"

"Yes," said the man.

"Then count down from ten!" So the Roman counted down, "ten, nine, eight, ..." until he reached "one" and he stopped counting

"But what comes before 'one'?" asked the boy.

"There is nothing before one- that is it!" said the man.

"Well then, if there obviously is nothing before the arithmetic 'one', then how do you expect that there should be anything before the 'One' who is Absolute Truth, All-Eternal, Everlasting the First, the Last, the Manifest, the Hidden?"

Now the man was surprised by this direct answer which he could not dispute. So he asked, "Then tell me, in which direction is Allāh facing?"

"Bring a candle and light it," said the boy, "and tell me in which direction the flame is facing."

"But the flame is just light- it spreads in each of the four directions,

North, South, East and West. It does not face any one direction only," said the man in wonderment.

The boy cried, "Then if this physical light spreads in all four directions such that you cannot tell me which way it faces, then what do you expect of the Nūr-us-Samāwāti-wal-'Ard: Allāh - the Light of the Heavens and the Earth!? Light upon Light, Allāh faces all directions at all times."

The Roman was stupified and astounded that here was a young child answering his challenges in such a way that he could not argue against the proofs. So, he desperately wanted to try his final question. But before doing so, the boy said,

"Wait! You are the one who is asking the questions and I am the one who is giving the answer to these challenges. It is only fair that you should come down to where I am standing and that I should go up where you are right now, in order that the answers may be heard as clearly as the questions."

This seemed reasonable to the Roman, so he came down from where he was standing and the boy ascended the platform. Then the man repeated his final challenge, "Tell me, what is Allāh doing at this moment?"

The boy proudly answered, "At this moment, when Allāh found upon this high platform a liar and mocker of Islam, He caused him to descend and brought him low. And as for the one who believed in the Oneness of Allāh, He raised him up and established the Truth. Every day He exercises (universal) power (Surah 55 ar-Rahmān, Verse 29)."

The Roman had nothing to say except to leave and return back to his country, defeated. Meanwhile, this young boy grew up to become one of the most famous scholars of Islam. Allāh, the Exalted, blessed him with special wisdom and knowledge of the deen. His name was Abu Hanīfah (rahmatullāh 'alayhi- Allāh have mercy on him) and he is known today as Imām-e-A'dham, the Great Imām and scholar of Islam.

[Adapted into English from "Manāqib Abī Hanīfah" written by Imām Muwaffaq Ibn Ahmad al-Makki (d. 568 Hijri). Dar al - Kitāb al-'Arabiy, Beirut, 1981/1401H.]

Yahya
23-07-2005, 08:02 PM
This story has been posted here before, and many of us believe the story to be forged. Many of the statements that are attributed to Abu Hanifah (raHimahullah) in this story are actually against things that he wrote, and against the Islamic belief.

In al-Fiqh al-Akbar, Abu Hanifah wrote that (my translation) "Allah is One, not in the numerical sense, but in the sense that there are no partners to Him." Yet, in this story, the protagonist draws a direct connection between the number one and Allah.

Also, it is the basic Islamic belief in the Ash'ari school (and probably the Maturidi school as well) that Allah is not contained by space or time. Thus Allah is not in a place, nor does Allah face any direction.

Lastly, it is a basic tenet of belief that there is NOTHING that is similar to Allah in any way whatsoever. So I doubt very highly that Abu Hanifah would have compared Allah to numbers or to a flame. Especially since he lived in Iraq, which at that time, still had fire worshippers dwelling there.



Insha' Allah, brother Muawiyah, or another of the more knowledgable brothers or sisters here, can give a more complete argument.

mospike
02-08-2005, 07:57 AM
Is there an English version of Al Fiqh al Akbar. If yes where can i purchase it?

sunni_marwat
02-08-2005, 06:44 PM
Assalam-o-alikum Brothers,
u Can find this book at Al-Falah Islamic Library New York.

Yahya
02-08-2005, 09:27 PM
Is there an English version of Al Fiqh al Akbar. If yes where can i purchase it?
Someone posted a pdf version of al-Fiqh al-Akbar on this site. It had the original Arabic, plus English translation and explanation.

Click here for the thread:
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6496&highlight=Hanifah

asalamalikoom
08-06-2011, 07:18 AM
This story has been posted here before, and many of us believe the story to be forged. Many of the statements that are attributed to Abu Hanifah (raHimahullah) in this story are actually against things that he wrote, and against the Islamic belief.

In al-Fiqh al-Akbar, Abu Hanifah wrote that (my translation) "Allah is One, not in the numerical sense, but in the sense that there are no partners to Him." Yet, in this story, the protagonist draws a direct connection between the number one and Allah.

Also, it is the basic Islamic belief in the Ash'ari school (and probably the Maturidi school as well) that Allah is not contained by space or time. Thus Allah is not in a place, nor does Allah face any direction.

Lastly, it is a basic tenet of belief that there is NOTHING that is similar to Allah in any way whatsoever. So I doubt very highly that Abu Hanifah would have compared Allah to numbers or to a flame. Especially since he lived in Iraq, which at that time, still had fire worshippers dwelling there.



Insha' Allah, brother Muawiyah, or another of the more knowledgable brothers or sisters here, can give a more complete argument.

I personally think you have forgotten Abu Hanifa was only 5 years old or so.

uzairhr
27-03-2013, 05:31 AM
You must study Mantiq i.e., Logic. I dont have authentic proof of this story, but I cant directly call it forged due to my tiny perception because there are things which are based upon logical reasoning, and indirectly for the purpose of munazra i.e., debate, mantiq can be used. Do you have any valid proof to say that the story was based upon Islamic disgrace and fiction. Dont throw bomb directly on anything without having complete knowledge. Your perceptions are of no use, things should be based upon facts dear.

uzairhr
27-03-2013, 05:34 AM
i personally think you have forgotten abu hanifa was only 5 years old or so.
you are taking the name of imam e azam as if he is a common man- abu hanifa. Learn to respect the pious people.

AsadullahHamza
27-03-2013, 10:31 AM
No soul has authority over another. Guidance and straying is a matter between God and you.


aakwr-Allah-wb-Hu


The replies in the anecdote that has been posted appear to be in complete conformity with the Quran.


Rather than drawing a comparison between the arithmetic one and the Almighty, the boy distinguishes between them by replying to the disputer that when he has no antecedent for the arithmetic 'one', how does he seek an antecedent for The Ahad Who is Eternal and Ever-Lasting.


And, again, he tells the disputer that when the phyiscal light muddles his mind such that he cannot attribute directions to it, how then does He seek direction for the One Who is the "Nūr-us-Samāwāti-wal-'Ard", and the One Who reminds us "So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah".


All the replies are Quranic, walhamdulillah.



The boy proudly answered, "At this moment, when Allāh found upon this high platform a liar and mocker of Islam, He caused him to descend and brought him low. And as for the one who believed in the Oneness of Allāh, He raised him up and established the Truth. Every day He exercises (universal) power (Surah 55 ar-Rahmān, Verse 29)."

Amazing insight and ability to draw from the Quran.



His name was Abu Hanīfah (rahmatullāh 'alayhi- Allāh have mercy on him) and he is known today as Imām-e-A'dham, the Great Imām and scholar of Islam.

Blessings of the Almighty be on him.



alhamdu lillahi Rabbil aalameen.


la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Al-'Atheemu Al-Haleemu, la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbul 'arshil-‘atheemi,
la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbus-samaawaati wa Rabbul-ardhi wa Rabbul-'arshil-kareemi
there is no god except Allah, the All-Mighty, the Forbearing; there is no god except Allah, the Lord of the Mighty Throne;
there is no god except Allah, Lord of the heavens, Lord of the earth and Lord of the noble Throne.