Imam Abu Hanifah's opinion about his own verdicts

[physio_amer]

Assalamualaikum wr wb. an anti madhabi has posted some question which have made me wonder wether hanafi fiqh is without a base or its fake!!! my apologies for hurting any one. however i would be thankful if some one can clarify this for me.

سمعت محمود بن غيلان قال سمعت المقري يقول سمعت أبا حنيفة يقول : عامة ما أحدثكم خطاء

(Kitab Ilal Al Tirmizi Al Kabir pg 388 With Sahih Sanad)

Imam Tirmizi rahimaullah narrates with his own sanad that Imam Abu Hanifah rahimaullah said that most of the things which i tell to you are wrong.

حدثني عيسى بن الجنيد قال سمعت أبا نعيم قال سمعت
النعمان يقول ألا تعجبون من يعقوب يقول على مالا أقول
Al Tarikh al Saghir of Imam Bukhari 2/210
Abu Hanifah said
don't you get surprised about Yaqub (Abu Yusuf) he attributes to me those things which i don't say.


Conclusion is that according to Abu hanifah Abu Yusuf was kazzab because he used to attribute lies to numan bin sabit.

Shaykh Zubair Alee Az-Za'i said

because Muhammad bin Hasan according to the Muhadditheen is Strongly Crtiticized. Imam Yahya bin Ma’een has declared him to be “Kazzab” (Liar) [See: Lisaan al-Mizaan (122/5), Kitaab ad-Du’fa lil Ukayli (52/4), and Tarikh Baghdad (42031/5). His Tautheeq is not proven from any of the trustworthy


Another Student of Abu Hanifah :

it is mentioned about the Student of Abu Hanifah, Hasan bin Ziyad Al Loloi.

الحسن بن زياد اللؤلؤي الكوفي: عن ابن جريج وغيره وتفقه على أبي حنيفة رحمه الله تعالى. روى أحمد بن أبي مريم وعباس الدوري عن يحيى بن معين كذاب وقال محمد بن عبد الله بن نمير: يكذب على ابن جريج وكذا كذبه أبو داود فقال: كذاب غير ثقة

(Lisan Al Meezan 1/289)

Ibn e Maeen said he is Kazzab (Liar).

Muhammad bin Numair said he used to attribute lie to Ibn e Jarij.

Abu Dawud said he is Kazzab (Liar) Not Trustworthy.

وقال محمد بن رافع النيسابوري: كان الحسن بن زياد يرفع رأسه قبل الإمام ويسجد قبله مات سنة أربع ومائتين وكان رأساً في الفقه انتهى

Muhammad bin Rafa says he used to raise his hand (in salat) before Imam and used to Sajda in (Salat) before Imam.


Imam Uqayli in his Kitab ad Dhuhafa has narrated with his sanand the qawl of Yahya ibn Mayeen

وذكره العقيلي في الضعفاء وقال حدثنا أحمد بن محمد بن صدقة سمعت العباس الدوري يقول سمعت يحيى بن معين يقول جهمي كذاب


Yahya ibn Mayeen said regarding Muhammed bin hassan ash Shaybani

JAHMIYYUN KAZZABUN


Lisaan al Meezan 7/63

[Abdul Qaadir]

You should read Tareekh Baghdaad Volume 13, it is will give you the true picture of Abu Haneefah. Today he is recognized as "Imaam ul Adham" and given many lofty titles, and his madhhab is considered the first among equals. But the Muhaditheen of his time and his contemporaries did not consider him as such. This should be reason enough for you to leave the Hanafi school of jurisprudence.

[hiso]

@physio_amer

Don't listen to this liar.
You can browse this forum for any relevant information.

You can check this forum for posts like these....
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6392

[Hafiz Gee]

Salam

you must realize that by opening such threads at a time when certain elements are very active will only invite trouble and controversy. if you're genuinely interested perhaps try a different source...talk to other scholars or try the lectures on the hanafi fiqh channel. i fear any discussion here will be by very passionate people, some of whom will go to great lengths to defame Imam Abu Hanifa and his school.

['Abdullaah]

:salam:

Please read the following links, and other similar posts by brother Sulaiman84 in that thread:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?67697-Abu-Usamah-at-it-again-with-Hanafis!&p=563393&viewfull=1#post563393
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?67697-Abu-Usamah-at-it-again-with-Hanafis!&p=563813&viewfull=1#post563813
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?67697-Abu-Usamah-at-it-again-with-Hanafis!&p=565385&viewfull=1#post565385
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?67697-Abu-Usamah-at-it-again-with-Hanafis!&p=566875&viewfull=1#post566875

:jazak:
:salam:

[Muzzammil Husayn]

سمعت محمود بن غيلان قال سمعت المقري يقول سمعت أبا حنيفة يقول : عامة ما أحدثكم خطاء

(Kitab Ilal Al Tirmizi Al Kabir pg 388 With Sahih Sanad)

Imam Tirmizi rahimaullah narrates with his own sanad that Imam Abu Hanifah rahimaullah said that most of the things which i tell to you are wrong.
'Allamah al-Kawthari maintains that there is tahrif in this narration - a hamza was added to the word, so instread of uhaddithukum (I narrated to you) it was originally haddathakum (he narrated to you) referring to another narrator whose narrations are mostly wrong. The text (matn) of the narration is weak and unacceptable for a couple of reasons:

1. No sane person will make such a comment, that "everything I narrated to you is wrong." Dr. Bashshar 'Awwad Ma'ruf said in his footnote to this narration in Tarikh Baghdad: "It is unsound for no sane person would utter such a statement." (15:555)

2. The narrator from Abu Hanifah, Abu 'Abd al-Rahman al-Muqri' (a narrator of all six famous collections), was somebody who narrated excessively from Abu Hanifah as evidenced by his narrations from him in the Masanid, and as stated explicitly in the books of Rijal. It is inconceivable that he would accompany him and narrate from him after hearing such a comment, as mentioned by al-Kawthari in Ta'nib al-Khatib (p. 235)

We have clear narrations from Yahya Ibn Ma'in, Abu Dawud, al-Hakim and others saying Abu Hanifah is trustworthy in the narration of hadith - see here (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?68947-Imam-Abu-Hanifah-s-Reliability-in-Narrating-Hadith). It is authentically established from Yahya ibn Sa'id al-Qattan a major authority in hadith from the Salaf and other muhaddithin from the Salaf that they would follow the opinions of Abu Hanifah and adhere to his madhhab - see here (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?68805-Being-Hanafi-is-established-from-the-Salaf) and here (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?69121-The-Salaf-s-Testimony-on-Imam-Abu-Hanifah-s-Mastery-in-Fiqh).

Al-Tirmidhi himself narrates with a sound chain in his Kitab al-'Ilal that Abu Hanifah said, "I have not seen anybody more of a liar that Jabir al-Ju'fi, nor more virtuous than 'Ata ibn Abi Rabah," showing he relied on his views on the subject of al-jarh wa al-ta'dil (narrator criticism).



حدثني عيسى بن الجنيد قال سمعت أبا نعيم قال سمعت
النعمان يقول ألا تعجبون من يعقوب يقول على مالا أقول
Al Tarikh al Saghir of Imam Bukhari 2/210
Abu Hanifah said
don't you get surprised about Yaqub (Abu Yusuf) he attributes to me those things which i don't say.


Conclusion is that according to Abu hanifah Abu Yusuf was kazzab because he used to attribute lies to numan bin sabit.
The narrator 'Isa ibn Junayd found in the chain of this narration is unknown so this report is not reliable.

The Imams of hadith like Yahya ibn Ma'in, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Nasa'i, 'Ali ibn al-Madini and others all said Abu Yusuf is reliable in hadith - see here (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?69047-Imam-Abu-Yusuf-Ya-qub-ibn-Ibrahim-al-Qadi-s-Reliability-in-Narrating-Hadith).


Shaykh Zubair Alee Az-Za'i said

because Muhammad bin Hasan according to the Muhadditheen is Strongly Crtiticized. Imam Yahya bin Ma’een has declared him to be “Kazzab” (Liar) [See: Lisaan al-Mizaan (122/5), Kitaab ad-Du’fa lil Ukayli (52/4), and Tarikh Baghdad (42031/5). His Tautheeq is not proven from any of the trustworthy
Imam Muhammad's tawthiq has clearly been established from 'Ali ibn al-Madini and al-Daraqutni - see here (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?69010-Imam-Muhammad-ibn-al-Hasan-al-Shaybani-s-Reliability-in-Narrating-Hadith/). It is authentically reported that Yahya ibn Ma'in narrated from Imam Muhammad, and it is very unlikely he would narrate from someone he believed to be a liar.

[verdana]

This should be reason enough for you to leave the Hanafi school of jurisprudence.

And this misguidance of yours should be enough reason for mods to make you leave this forum.

[ImamGhazzaali]

You should read Tareekh Baghdaad Volume 13, it is will give you the true picture of Abu Haneefah. Today he is recognized as "Imaam ul Adham" and given many lofty titles, and his madhhab is considered the first among equals. But the Muhaditheen of his time and his contemporaries did not consider him as such. This should be reason enough for you to leave the Hanafi school of jurisprudence.

:salam:

If you may answer this question it would clarify somethings.

Q: Are you a scholar and if not do you have any Ijaazah from 'Ulamaa [not in hearing ahadeeth but in teaching kutub etc,.] basically are you a qualified ?

If you may answer yes/no, It would clarify things.

:jazak:

:ws:

[ImamGhazzaali]

Assalamualaikum wr wb. an anti madhabi has posted some question which have made me wonder wether hanafi fiqh is without a base or its fake!!! my apologies for hurting any one. however i would be thankful if some one can clarify this for me.

Wa Alaykum Assalam,

Brother there has been enough proof and refutation done to show the uniqueness and authenticity of the Hanafi Madhhab. Please search in relevant places and you will find them.

:jazak:

[Abdul Qaadir]

:salam:

If you may answer this question it would clarify somethings.

Q: Are you a scholar and if not do you have any Ijaazah from 'Ulamaa [not in hearing ahadeeth but in teaching kutub etc,.] basically are you a qualified ?

If you may answer yes/no, It would clarify things.

:jazak:

:ws:

I am not a scholar and I do not have any ijaazah to teach any books of Hadeeth. Therefore I refrain from doing so.

I am just an ordinary Muslim who wishes to fulfil his religious obligation of Dawah ilaa Allaah

[Sulaiman84]

I am not a scholar and I do not have any ijaazah to teach any books of Hadeeth. Therefore I refrain from doing so.

I am just an ordinary Muslim who wishes to fulfil his religious obligation of Dawah ilaa Allaah

Making such statements as you did before about leaving the Fiqh of a Madhhab (for whatever reason) does not fall in the responsibility of Da'wah ilallaah for the non scholar, as you yourself so clearly pointed out.

[physio_amer]

jazak allah to all brothers who have responded. i thank hiso, and hafiz gee and gazzali for their advice. and spl thanks to brother abdullah and muzammil hussayn for providing referenced work in refutation of batil arguments. there is one more issue regarding kissing lip of another man. what do scholars say about it? coz there is a story of junaid baghdadi rh kissing sirri saqati rh lip at his death bed when he cries and tears fell on sirri saqati rh, when he was asked for advice he told junaid rh: avoid associating with the evil doers and take care, lest your association with others should cause you to be estranged from allah tala! is this act by junaid baghdadi rh valid? i.e kissing? coz it looks odd and gay type. i apologise if i hurt any one.

['Abdullaah]

there is one more issue regarding kissing lip of another man. what do scholars say about it?

:salam:

It may be better to open another thread for that question, as it's unrelated to the current topic.
:jazak:

:salam:

[physio_amer]

:salam:

It may be better to open another thread for that question, as it's unrelated to the current topic.
:jazak:

:salam:


jazak allah for advice. will follow it insha allah.