Why I Left Sikhism to Revert to Islam

[aaliyahkhan33]

First off I just want to start off saying to anybody who might be thinking that I am a fake and pretending to make this story up. That in fact I am not, and I know sikhs will say alot of stuff, and I know my muslim brothers and sisters
(some not all) will think inside their head good haha a sikh converted to islam.

But my conversion is nothing to rub in others face or to discriminate against. I have posted this story for those sikhs who might be thinking about reverting but are not sure or need somebody to relate to. Because I sure know if I had that it would have made things clearer to me earlier.

I grew up in a very religious sikh family in Canada. Although my parents were not amrit shak they were pretty religious, and so was I. I went to the gudwara regularly did my seva, prayed. But I wasn't a full practicing sikh (i ate meat, cut my hair) but despite that I was more religious then most young sikhs.

Growing up I absolutly hated muslims. I cannot even begin to emphasize how much i actually did hate them. I hated Islam and everything that it stood for. I use to tell everybody to hate them as well. And it actually worked, my cousins my family friends. I would tell my younger cousins if they ever made friends with a muslim I would kick their [clip]

I picked on young muslim girls who wore Hijjab. I would find muslims online swear at them and at Islam (may allah forgive me).When ever I would have to write a paper it would be on Oppresion of women in Islam, and or how muslims are devil worshippers. My hate for them was extreme I was gonna get a tatoo on my back in arabic writing saying all the muslims are gonna die.

I think about it now as to why I hated muslims and islam so much and it seems clear to me. I was a proud Sikh Jatt girl,extremley proud. Whenever I would hear about what the guru's had to go through because of the Mongols or that era I'd wanna kill a muslim. I would sit in the gudwara listen to the baba tell stories of the guru's and just get ******.

I don't know about gudwara's around the world but in Canada in the langar hall they ususally have so many paintings of muslims killing sikhs and the guru's. So one would sit there and stare at this and be like #%*@#$%%^% while eating their rotti.

One day I met a Muslim guy at university,and we began going out. I don't know why I even went out with him but I did. Eventually we got married, my parents were okay with it. We Had a really nice wedding. I had already told him that I would die before becoming a muslim, and he was okay with that.

As I stayed in their home the first few months of my married life. I began to see them as people. They were actually nice people. They never once asked me to convert which surprised me. His father was very religious, I use to often see him praying or having religious talks with my husband.

Even though I had decided okay maybe muslims are nice..but i was still like hell no Im a Proud Sikh girl, I use to wear my Kara with pride, never ate halal brought my non halal meat for myself.

One day I was like hmm let me find out what islam is. I began reading about it. found it very interesting. It was nothing like I thought it was. It made so much sense to me. But that wasn't gonna change me being a Sikh.

One day I asked my husband to have a debate with me about sikhism and islam. My husband never wins debates but he won this one. So i thought maybe im not that knowledgable in sikhism. I began taking classes and studied it day in day out.

The more I studied it the more I got scared, the fact that Islam might be the right religon shook me. I couldn't give it up, my pride this is who I was a sikh, my anncestors faught to their death so they could keep their faith.

Here is some of what i learned.....

1) Sikhism doesn't believe in prophethood
since i was a little I asked my mom why did muslims kill our gods? He was god mom why didn't god kill the muslims. My mom's answer was he wanted to show them.. show them what mom? her answer was shut up u ask to many questions! I did further research and found out that this was part of guru's plans if they wanted they could have done magic but did not want to.. sureee okay.
why would god allow mere humans to kill him?
So god can die?
If god can't protect himself how is he gonna help me?
god bleeds like me?

Then some say they were sent down from the akal purath to show the way they had a part of god in them. Fiar enough but first off thats wrong guru granth says that it denounces prophethood. Secondly if only a part of god is with them then why do we worship his creation why not worship the almighty himself. Thats like saying imma go worship my mom. Don't even deny it you know ur parents are sure enough to have pictures of guru Nanak and guru gobind singh ji somewhere in the house. And u know ur parents fold their hand and pray to them.

When i use to read Nitnama Bani, I use to read passages which said I seek protection under guru gobind singh ji's sword. Guru Gobind singh ji died, if he couldn't protect himself with his own sword i don't think that sword is gonna do much for me or anybody else.

2) Sikhism is confused about believing in one god

Guru Nanak Dev Ji was the one who said ik onkar (there is 1 god). But Asking my parents and varoius Baba's at the gudwara and even discovering it myself. that in fact Ik onkar means all the guru's are one. Maybe Guru Nanak did mean there is one god but afterwards something happened along the way?

3) Guru Nanak was a muslim!!

Guru Nanak's chola which is kept by a chosen Gursikh family has in arabic the words written on it La illa ilallah muhhamdur rusool allah. It is said he gave it to his followers. There are pictures of it on the internet if you think I am lying. He went to mecca medina which everybody knows.

If u are a muslim u very well know no non-muslims are aloud there. It's strictly for believers only. There is story which says Guru Nanak was sleeping with his feet towards the Kabbah when he arrived at mecca and a man asked him to move his feet. when the man would turn the feet of Guru Nanak his feet would go back in the same place facing the Kabbah. And supposably the man was shocked and thought Guru Nanak was a saint.

This story cann't make sense at all!!
First off If that were true and Nanak had his feet in the direction of the kabbah they would have killed him no questions asked. Its tottal disrespect, and besides why would he come all that way to do hajj and then disrespect it like that. It just makes no sense.

Mecca is an extremly religious place u can't just expect to do that and nothing happen to you. If guru Nanak thought the Kabbah was nothing then he would not have made the trouble to do pilgrimage there. If he claims there is no hindu no muslims why did he go perform hajj.

When you perform Hajj your very lucky if you get some string from the Kabbah which he did and those very strings are in a gudwara in India. I've seen them for myself.

4) Guru Amar Das changed things

Its believed by many that he changed alot of guru Nanaks writings around and or added his own thing in.

5) Why is it all the sikh gods died?

6) Sikhism and Hinduism very alike

For those who do not already know the geeta has very digusting things in it, hindu's don't like to admit it but Kama sutra is considered religious text. Hindu's are idol worshipers. There are stories of their gods jerking off we dont need to get into detail. Guru Granth praises the Hindu gods, talks about them.

Why is this that the guru granth can even have these idol gods and perverted gods in a sikh book. There are passages that talk about hinduism and thier gods and their worships basically not denoucing it saying it too is a way of worship

Also my mom told me That there was this hindu god I dunno her name she had a small mandir and there was a big gudwara next to it, she said to one of the guru's. Ur temple is so big nobody will come to my mandir it is so small. From that day forth guru said to her from now on for those who come to worship at this temple have to first go to the mandir and pray there.

Sikhs in india actually do that today and even have this godesses picture in thier house its the one with the multiple arms.

7) Sikhs believe all religons is a way to god

If this is so then why were the guru's so against islam. I mean wasn't it them wou said follow whatever they are all the path to god? Then why is it that sikhs don't allow to cut hair and eat meat and others fiaths allow it but they still can go to god? Hmm i dunno sounds like somebody got confused.


8) Behavior at Amritsar
Amritsar is the holliest sikh place. Why would god allow it to be attacked the way it was have women being gang-raped. Children killed men murdered. The Guru granth urinated on and set on fire? Also i have heard this from so many sikh ladies when they go to amritsar men will walk by and grab their private parts walk away as though nothing happened. This is suppose to be a holly place and this kind of stuff happens i feel more safer in my house. Its sickening that men will do this, I cannot understand why god would allow this to happen? Sexuall assult at a holy sikh temple ... DISGUSTING

9)Guru's lies

The guru's say that all religons lead to the path of god. If this is so why is it if your not amrit shak (baptized sikh) and did not lead a good life you don't go to heaven, in fact you are re-incarnated and this is an ongoing cycle until u become amrit shak and lead a good life!! So whats with the contradictions. No religon is perfect if so thing contradict with other then they are not the words of god.

I just want to say to all the sikhs out there that U cannot be mad at the muslims for what happened all those years ago. The ones that are to blame are those mongols who commited the crime. Allah will punish them for what they have done.

in the quran it says:

"If someone kills another person,it is as if he had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another person, it is as if he had given life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to them with Clear Signs but even after that many of them committed outrages in the earth. (Surat al-Ma'ida: 32)

Also think about it u can't force convert anybody. Faith is what is already in you it what u are. If I came to you and said convert to Hinduism or u will die, and u said okay sure. Then i leave, how am I suppose to know if u did it from the heart or not u can show something on the outside and be something else on the inside.

also in the quran it says that u cannot force anybody to convert allah guides whom he wills and sets astray whom he wills.
If you are thinking of converting here are some helpful sites

www.islamonline.net
www.****************
www.islamyesterday.com
www.islamtomorow.com
www.harunyahya.com
www.lightuponlight.com

After Discovering all this I automatically wanted to revert. It was wierd. I remember lying in my bed looking the the ceiling thinking about what I had done in the past. I remember crying to allah and asking for forgivness for all the bad things i had said, for how i treated muslims.

I know there are sikh reverts out there, but they rarely speak out about it. If u are one u should speak out about it because its important you help others see the truth.

I wrote this to show sikhs the truth not to disprespect anybody or hurt anybody. Im very glad allah SWT has shown me the right way Alhamdillah. I pray he opens others heart as he has opened mine. you can't escape the miracles of the quran, there are no miracles in the sikh book. I know Ive read it, i've studied it. So i know what im talking about. Put the pride away just for a moment and think about what i said.
Then everything will become clear to you!!

NOTE: MANY HAVE ASKED HOW I STILL BEING A SIKH WAS ACCEPTED HERE IS MY ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS:HOPE IT HELPS:
One day I met a Muslim guy at university, who was also taking bussiness. Our teacher had assighned us a 2 month long project and partnered us up together. Since this project was a good chunk of our mark we spent alot of time together during those 2 months. Growing up I had alot of family problems to do with my dad. None of our extended family ever cared they would laugh, piont or just sit back and watch the show. One day I was really sad and I just blurted out my family problems to him. He amazed me he was the first one to ever care, he wiped my tears. I was shocked that he was a just like a friend and he cared so much. He would after that constantly call me to check up on me, to see if im okay. When things use to get really bad he would take me and my sister out for ice cream.
He would cry with me, and during the 2 months i fell head over heals for him. because for the first time in my life I not ony found a soul mate but a best friend. When the 2 months were over. He told me he liked me and we began going out. We never talked about religon because I guess we both knew it would be a difficutl subject.
At first our families were not too happy with it at all. Lets just say we went through alot of difficulties for a while to be together. No there were no death threats or physical fighting ( thanks u allah lol).
I never knew when when we wanted to be married that he was not aloud to marry a non-muslim only people of the book. I always thought it was just because I was not like them. My husband loved me very much during the time we went through alot to be together we were a wreck. His parents couldn't stand to see him like that neither could mine. His sayin is My happiness lies in my children if they are happy Im happy. I think about how he accepted me while knowing it was against islam and i tremendously love him for that ( because he is very religious). He is the father I never had and i pray to allah that he doesn't get sinned for that. Because i think to myself what if I hadnt been accepted would i still have found the truth? I love him my father in law very much.

Also people might be wondering how did we get married. We had a nikkah. Because i put my stupid pride aside and thought about my father in laws respect. He accepted me and I could not refuse his wishes. We did not have a sikh wedding.
I hope this help answer ur questions.

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/

visit this site and see the miracles

If anybody has any questions feel free to ask

[GenN]

Assalmu alaykum,

Alhamdullillah, i'm glad you wrote this, it was a good read. I knew another sikh covert in uni, and also went to the talk of another sikh convert once. Your parents must have flipped with your conversion?

From reading your story I guess its true then that sikhs are brought up to hate muslims and lead as many muslims away from their deen as possible?

[Aaisha]

assalamu'alaikom sis,

how are you?

sis i believe u cuz my husband also converted from sikhism its hard for pples to believe tht he did.

masahAllah to hear tht u converted.

sis please pm me id like to know more abt you.

btw.... my name is Aaisha and im from australia.

wassalam.

sista Aaisha

[junaid]

Assalamaualikum Sister,
Mabrook.... Allah (swt) has choosen u.
May allah keep u firm in ur faith and increase ur imaan.ameen

[ummati]

as Salaamu Alaikum

Jazakillah sister for that.May Allah rewrd you abundantly,take you from strength to strength and grant you an easy passage Jannatul Firdous.

Ameen

From ur sister in Islam

[AbuMuqatil]

Sister Aaliya - may Allah reward you for your story and keep us all steadfast on Islam. Would you kindly make up some kind of email address on yahoo or hotmail so that we can refer other Sikhs to you.

[AbuMuqatil]

Another thing, point 8 is rather weak as Muslim too have suffered hardships like that too. We say it is due to the wisdom of Allah or an earthly punishment for our sins so not to be punished in the Herefater. Consider revising it.

[sahih-baba]

salam,

interesting....i always wondered how on earth guru nanak made it to makka - i thought perhaps he was muslim and then he apostated - allahu a'lam.

and also, how on earth did u manage to marry into a devout muslim family, staying a staunch sikh???

it must have been a non-religious registry wedding, because a muslim man cannot marry outside outside islam except to a jewess or a christian.

and it's funny u tell us about amritsar and what men do to women. i'm sorry to say that makka is not immune either!

yep...muslims are in a bad state right now...but still truth stands out clearly from falsehood.

it's also funny how deep hatred of islam leads to acceptance of islam!
...provided the prophet (slm) was never slandered, because i heard that whoever slanders him can never be muslim - allahu a'lam - perhaps you never did such a ghastly thing, even tho you hated islam and muslims.

may allah guide you closer to him!

[muslim-teenager]

dearest sis aalia,

ur story was very very interesting it was just great congratulation for seeing the truth and converting may allah guide us all to the right path.

best wishes

[**muslimah*4*evr**]

Mashallah, that is an incredible story! What really surprised me is that while you were young you had such an enmity towards another religion, yet no provokation by anyone for it, and no reason to hate us muslims so much. Brother sahih-baba actually has a point in the amritsar and makka thing, because the abayyas and jabbahs are actually the dress for arab men and women, yet they are so exposive in some cases. For example when the fashion for open-front jabbahs came out i have heard from some hajjees that arab women were seen wearing disgustingly exposive clothes underneath and during the process of walking, their jabbahs flapped in the wind revealing their dressing underneath. It is indeed a great sin to criticise the holy city of Allah and the Aal of Nabi(s), may allah forgive me and other brothers and sisters in Islam for it , but it is only the bitter truth that is being spoken. On the one hand, so many people such as sister Aaliyah are reverting to Islam and treading the straight path, whilst on the other hand our new generation of Arab muslims are being led astray in not all, but some ways. May Allah (s) save us from wrongdoing, and give us the tawfiq to stay steadfast in his unique deen. Aameen.

[aaliyahkhan33]

Assalum alikum,


Yeh i know muslims are in a bad state inshallaha we all get back to the right path. But believe me we are a long ways from how curropt sikhs are. Yeh i also heard that he married into a muslim family, and we all know that a muslim girl cannot marry a kafir. I never knew alot about islam when i hated it not even the prophet PBUH. But i have actually heard of people reverting who use to say things estukfula about the prohet PBUH.

[ilm_seeker]

As sallamu alaikum

Sister Aaliya, :mash: to read about your acceptance of Islam. I have some questions regarding Sikhism:

1. Does the Guru Granth Sahib have verses of the Qur'an in it?

2. Was Guru Gobind Singh an alcoholic or an alcohol lover?

3. I understand that one Sikh prayers has the words "...I have left the ways of Muhammad ( :saw: )..." Is that true?

:jazak:

Wa alaikum as sallam

[aaliyahkhan33]

Assulum Alaikum

Thanks for ur questions. There is a huge possibility that the Guru Granth Sahib does in fact has Quran verses in it. Because of the reason being Guru Nanak was muslim. It was him who said:

Let God's grace be the mosque, and devotion the prayer mat. Let the Quran be the good conduct. Let modesty be compassion, good manners fasting, you should be a Muslim the like of this. Let good deeds be your Kaaba and truth be your mentor. Your Kalma be your creed and prayer, God would then vindicate your honour." (Majh)

Many would argue that he was not muslim. But the fact are too clear that he was.


"Verily the true religion with God is the faith of Islam".
"Say, God is One. Everything owes its existence to God, but God owes His existence to none. Neither does He beget, nor is He begotten, and there is none like unto Him."
"Verily those who enter into thy bai'at, 0 Prophet, enter into the bai'at of God."

Besides these there were the well-known verse known as the Ayat ul Kursi, the Chapter entitled the Help, the chapter entitled the Fatiha, the names of the Divine Being mentioned in the Holy Quran, and several other verses of the Quran, in all of which importance is attached to adherence to the principles of Islam.

Actually Guru Gobind was not an alchohalic nor was he and achohal lover. He was against alchohal, drugs. In fact they were not aloud anywhere near a gudwara, or were to be aloud near any sikh.

I have never heard of a prayer with such words. There is alot of stuff in the guru granth that talk about how they don't agree with islam. U take what guru nanak said like some of what I stated earlier and then read it on further when the other guru's started adding their stuff to it and u will see how it contradicts with one another. but i have no ever read such a thing or heard it.

I hope i helped answer ur questions!!!

[aaliyahkhan33]

assulum alikum sister,

U can add me on hotmail. i look forward to talking to you


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[aaliyahkhan33]

assulum alikum brother,

u can add me on [clip -- refer to note above =)]

[nauk]

Often when one suggests that guru nanak was inspired by sufi and yogi's Sikhs claim he taught himself(which i find hard to believe).

But about wearing top with Quranic scripture, i read that was a gift for him.

[aaliyahkhan33]

assulum alikum,

He actually didn't teach himself. He had several close friends whom were muslims. He actually was being taught by a muslim scholar I can't remember the scholars name. He actually learnt arabic and travelled to many places in the middle east.
as for people saying the top he wears was a gift. Yes some do say it was. but one has to argue why would he Give it to his followers? So if this was a present where is the one he actually wore? Why is it the one that was a gift was kept and not the actual one if this is what they claim? Think about it would Muhammad peace be upon him even keep a top and give it to his followers if it was against what Allah taught him? He ( PBUH) wouldn't would he? Why because it goes against everything, right.
So why did he keep this? Why did he give it to his followers? Why did he perform Hajj? Why did he marry into a muslim family? Why did he say
Let God's grace be the mosque, and devotion the prayer mat. Let the Quran be the good conduct. Let modesty be compassion, good manners fasting, you should be a Muslim the like of this. Let good deeds be your Kaaba and truth be your mentor. Your Kalma be your creed and prayer, God would then vindicate your honour." (Majh)

I hope i helped answer ur question.

[Aaisha]

salaaaaaaaams sis,

alhumdulillah Allah Ta'ala has shown you the way.

we all are happy for you.

:D

sista Aaisha from australia

[**muslimah*4*evr**]

this is really interesting...i never knew anything at all about sikhism and how its so against islam...

[sofia]

Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakaatu.

Mashallah sis, its nice to hear that u converted to islam and that allah taa'la has shown u the straight path.
Inshallah hope u continue to learn about our beautiful deen- Islam.
i know of a few ppl of have converted to islam and have lost family and everythin by converting to islam but inshallah they will be rewarded immensely in the hereafter for the sacrifices made in this world. Inshallah.

Wasalamu' Alaikum Warahamatullahi Wabarakaatu.

[Umm Usaamah]

Asalamualikum wr wb

it's really nice to hear that you have become muslim sis may Allah swt keep you strong and steadfast ameen.if you need any help inshallah this is the place.remember me in your duas wasalaam

[sahih-baba]

One day I met a Muslim guy at university,and we began going out. I don't know why I even went out with him but I did. Eventually we got married, my parents were okay with it. We Had a really nice wedding. I had already told him that I would die before becoming a muslim, and he was okay with that.

As I stayed in their home the first few months of my married life. I began to see them as people. They were actually nice people. They never once asked me to convert which surprised me. His father was very religious, I use to often see him praying or having religious talks with my husband.

Even though I had decided okay maybe muslims are nice..but i was still like hell no Im a Proud Sikh girl, I use to wear my Kara with pride, never ate halal brought my non halal meat for myself.

One day I was like hmm let me find out what islam is. I began reading about it. found it very interesting. It was nothing like I thought it was. It made so much sense to me. But that wasn't gonna change me being a Sikh.

One day I asked my husband to have a debate with me about sikhism and islam. My husband never wins debates but he won this one. So i thought maybe im not that knowledgable in sikhism. I began taking classes and studied it day in day out.


i'm sorry to bring this up again sis, but i still don't understand how you married into a muslim family as a sikh.

you know that a muslim man cannot marry a sikh or hindu woman. so how did u manage to remain sikh and still marry a muslim???


:confused:

[**muslimah*4*evr**]

yeh, i cant say i dint wonder...and with u being such a religious sikh and all...

[aaliyahkhan33]

One day I met a Muslim guy at university, who was also taking bussiness. Our teacher had assighned us a 2 month long project and partnered us up together. Since this project was a good chunk of our mark we spent alot of time together during those 2 months. Growing up I had alot of family problems to do with my dad. None of our extended family ever cared they would laugh, piont or just sit back and watch the show. One day I was really sad and I just blurted out my family problems to him. He amazed me he was the first one to ever care, he wiped my tears. I was shocked that he was a just like a friend and he cared so much. He would after that constantly call me to check up on me, to see if im okay. When things use to get really bad he would take me and my sister out for ice cream.
He would cry with me, and during the 2 months i fell head over heals for him. because for the first time in my life I not ony found a soul mate but a best friend. When the 2 months were over. He told me he liked me and we began going out. We never talked about religon because I guess we both knew it would be a difficutl subject.
At first our families were not too happy with it at all. Lets just say we went through alot of difficulties for a while to be together. No there were no death threats or physical fighting ( thanks u allah lol).
I never knew when when we wanted to be married that he was not aloud to marry a non-muslim only people of the book. I always thought it was just because I was not like them. My husband loved me very much during the time we went through alot to be together we were a wreck. His parents couldn't stand to see him like that neither could mine. His sayin is My happiness lies in my children if they are happy Im happy. I think about how he accepted me while knowing it was against islam and i tremendously love him for that ( because he is very religious). He is the father I never had and i pray to allah that he doesn't get sinned for that. Because i think to myself what if I hadnt been accepted would i still have found the truth? I love him my father in law very much.
Also people might be wondering how did we get married. We had a nikkah. Because i put my stupid pride aside and thought about my father in laws respect. He accepted me and I could not refuse his wishes. We did not have a sikh wedding.
I hope this help answer ur questions. :)

[sahih-baba]

salam sis,

no - sorry to be cruel - but u still haven't answered the question.

from your first post, u said u stayed with his family for first few months of your MARRIED life but you were still a PROUD SIKH GIRL, wearing your KARA WITH PRIDE and eating haram meat....and THEY NEVER ONCE ASKED YOU TO CONVERT.

now you are saying you had a nikah and that you converted to islam out of respect for your father-in-law.

it just does not make sense to me.

you don't need to reply - i won't mind.

salam.

[aaliyahkhan33]

Assalum alikum,

Im sorry but u mis understood what i siad. I said I agreed to have a Nikah and not a sikh wedding out of respect towards my father in law. I did not say I was gonna convert. I respect him very much but there were a few reasons behind why I didn't mind.
the number one reason was because He loved me so much like a daughter and he accepted me. My parents always told me that a daughter is the families isaath, the families respect. I now was entering my husbands home If I as a daughter couldn't do that then what daughter am I? I highly stand by those values.
The second reason is Nikah is pretty fast and straight forward unlike the sikh ceramony were u have to bow down to the guru granth. A imam read some verses from the Quran and siad I accept he did as well, and that was that. So I didnt feel as though I was giving up my Sikhi.
One might say why didn't u fight for a sikh ceramony. To be honest I really didnt care about that. I have always dreamed of a lavish wedding and thats what i got and I was happy. Because in my heart I felt married to him and thats what mattered to me then.
What I ment by being a proud sikh girl was the fact that i use to constantly remind them i was sikh by not eating the meat refusing to be apart of ramadan and any other islamic things, and wear my kara.

Maybe if some other person was in my father in laws place he would not have accepted me or might have said convert or their is no marriage but he didn't, and thats that. I know u keep asking HOW COULD HE HAVE U WERE SIKH my answer is plain and simple he just did.

hope this helps answer ur questions

[Muslimsister]

I think we should leave this questioning now, ok? Others decisions aren't really our business, I think... The main thing is what happened, right?

[Abu Talaal]

i agree no need to get into past details of stuff that maybe shouldn't have happened but did nevertheless...

[shoaibmak]

salaam and congrats. may Allah bless you and your family!

by the way, how was the reaction of your own family? had they suspected it all along that one day u'll convert or were they just plain shocked?

as regards the nikah, i'd like to add one thing though....its better that you guys consult a scholar upon this matter whether you guys are even MARRIED or not....because as far as i know, a muslim is not ALLOWED to marry a hindu,sikh etc. and this isnt about the father in law rather its about religion itself! i advise that you better check with a scholar and if unfortunately the previous nikah doesnt stand valid then you guys do nikah once again....and this time in the right way with you 2 being muslims MASHAALLAH.

i'm sorry if i hurt/offended you in anyway, because that sincerely was NOT my intention....its just that i'd rather you guys be on the SAFER side than be doing any wrong thing UNINTENTIONALLY!...hope you understand....
and best of luck for everything!
ma assalama
shoaib

[**muslimah*4*evr**]

tru...cuz if ur nikahs not valid then ur unknowingly sinning by living as husband and wife...

[sahih-baba]

salam,

i've been trying to point to this all along and everyone keeps ignoring this issue and just saying "masha allah masha allah!!"

how on earth can there be a nikah if the woman is still sikh ???

[**muslimah*4*evr**]

salam,

i've been trying to point to this all along and everyone keeps ignoring this issue and just saying "masha allah masha allah!!"

how on earth can there be a nikah if the woman is still sikh ???


well bro, MuslimSister did quite bluntly say its gettin a bit nosy...no offence

[aaliyahkhan33]

Assalam Alikum,


Since I have reverted which was a few months ago I have been visiting my mom abroad. Me and my husband have already disscused having another nikkah in the future when i come back, and i very much look forward to that.
Because I already knew this Nikkah is not proper, im sorry when I was being asked How I married my husband i thought that everybody ment how did his family accept me. Sorry for the confusion.

[Aaisha]

salaaaams,

why dnt u all just stop asking personal questions and be happy tht she now has converted to the religion of islam "AL-HUMDULILLAH"

by no ones will but the will of Allah Ta'ala MASHA'ALLAH.

my mother in-law wants a sikh ceremony but my husband and i refuse.

she isnt happy as he converted 6 years ago as i met him last year and got married to him. she still had hope inside of her to bring him bak to sikhism as my husbands grandfather was a high sikh priest and she thought tht he would follow his footsteps by passing it on to him.

im lebanese born and raised in australia sydney and his indian born and raised in singapore.

Sis mashaAllah there is always a reason for everythng.

my email is [edited out] if u want any questions of anythng.

jazakallahu khairn.

wassalam

Sista Aaisha :)

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[sahih-baba]

Assalam Alikum,


Since I have reverted which was a few months ago I have been visiting my mom abroad. Me and my husband have already disscused having another nikkah in the future when i come back, and i very much look forward to that.
Because I already knew this Nikkah is not proper, im sorry when I was being asked How I married my husband i thought that everybody ment how did his family accept me. Sorry for the confusion.


salam sister,

you finally understood what i have been trying to ask you from the start.
i did not want to know the details of how you met etc.
i am sorry if i seemed nosey and rude.

alhamdu lillah something good has come out of this!

may allah give you good in the life and the next!
wslm

[**muslimah*4*evr**]

well no more personal questions yeh?

[shoaibmak]

our....or atleast my intention was NOT to be nosy or getting something to gossip about....my intention was simple....that to point out whether their nikah is valid or not....and if it isnt...then if they are living with each other than that's wrong according to ISLAM....not me :)
but the sister cleared out the confusion......May Allah bless you with the happiness of both the worlds and make your relationship stronger! aameen

ma assalama

[**muslimah*4*evr**]

yeh...and please can noone take offence for anything anyones sed???

[sahih-baba]

yeh...and please can noone take offence for anything anyones sed???

salam muslim4ever(insha allah),

it seems the one who is taking the most offence here is YOU! :cheesygri

[**muslimah*4*evr**]

oops...does it?? well im not really!

[Muslimsister]

MashaAllah, sis aaliyahkhan!

Is there a reason for the sikhs covering the head? I suppose that was what you meant by saying you wore your 'kara'? Sorry about silly questions, but I had never heard of sikhs until 2 years ago when we moved to the uk...

May Allah give you all the best in this world and the hereafter!

[Wedad]

salam sis, mashAllah your story gave me the goosebumps. I applaud your journery from sikhism to Islam.

[abu hurairah]

Mashallah! Mashallah! Mashallah! may Allah (swt) give you strong Imaan and steadfatsness.

'Yaa muqallibal quloob sarrif ala dini qalbi'

:cheesygri

[Kh@d££j@]

mashallah sis lets hope allah swt keeps as alll wel in to our deen amen and it must have been hard for u but u did it mashallah :salam:

[TDR]

Subhanallah, I just read this and I must say Jazakallah to you, sister, for this fascinating insight into a Sikh's journey to islam.

There has been an increase in the number of sikhs (young women especially) converting to Islam in my locality in recent times with unfortunate repurcussions sometimes but this is the first time I learnt anything significant about Sikhism.


Is there a reason for the sikhs covering the head? I suppose that was what you meant by saying you wore your 'kara'?
The kara is actually the silver bracelet that all Sikhs wear. One of the 5 Ks. The sister should be able to explain the rest including head covering, inshallah.

[LovinMyDeen]

Asalamu alaikum
MASHALLAH sister, reverts just bring tears to my eyes. Welcome to TRUTH (ISLAM) AND ENJOY!!!!!!!

[a_rafee]

Mashallah. Congratulations!!

I am just wondering why do Sikhs hate Muslims so much. I have so many Sikh friends and all of them speak so much against Islam. The funny thing is that they don't want to listen anything negative about their religion in the process. Also they claim that their hate is only response to Muslim hating for them....looks like to me...they believe we talk and speak against them in our mosques...hehe.

[Afghan4Life]

assalamalaikom

wwoooww thas coool .. really inetersting
I myself lived in india and many sikhs married afghan man and convertted to islam...

But when i was in india da indians were nice to us.. very kind people

[blessed]

Firstly, congratulations! AllahmdulAllah, Allah showed you guidance. It really doesnot surprise me how Allah talla can show guidance to a person who was a staunch anti-Muslim. SUBHANALLAH. I hope & pray from the bottom of my heart that ppl like you lead way to others who are lost. AMeen.

I'm sorry, I know its none of my business but you might like to check on the validity of nikah as one of the previous poster mentioned. Just to be safe.

Once again, Congrats again sister. BRAVO!

~May Allah show you utmost happiness and give you the world & hereafter. Ameen

[niqabee]

Very touching. It is simply amazing how Allah loves us, it's just another proof. Allah is great I simply have no words of his blessings. SubhanAllah You are among the chosen. We all commit sins and the second you inverted, you were like a new born baby, completely sinless subhanAllah.

May Allah bless you and your family.

Keep in touch. :)

Ramadan Kareem

[Muslimsister]

Thread split, parts about sikhism found here:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=9053

[Nooria]

a good read...

very touching :p

[Si|ence]

AuA Sister Aaliya,
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Thank you
take care
Allah Hafiz
Sharjeel


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[abuhajira]

salaaaams,

why dnt u all just stop asking personal questions and be happy tht she now has converted to the religion of islam "AL-HUMDULILLAH"

by no ones will but the will of Allah Ta'ala MASHA'ALLAH.



:salam:

first off, All my heartiest duas for my sister Aaliya.. May Allah accept her. Ameen

Sister Aisha,

when people were showing concern about the validity of her marriage, it was not personal. Sister, she opened her whole life ordeal for us, the lease we (those who know of this mas'ala) is to help her or be concerned about her future.

In Sharii principle if she does not re-do her nikah, she will indeed be in a sinful comunion. Do we want that for our beloved sister.. who has just come in folds of Islam..?

I take questions in the Darul Iftaa for Mufti Ebrahim Saheb. and I have come across 2 such cases in last month alone, where the reverts got married when they were not muslim. Yet all through out their married life for over 6 years thought that they had sharii nikah.. and all that time according to shariah they were not husband and wife. We advised them as well as the sister here that the first thing to do is go by two muslim witness and do ijaab and qabool.. pronto! :)

Sister aaliya May Allah put Barakah in your life and marriage.. Ameen.

:ws:

[kareemabdullah]

salaam,

great article sister, I just had a little talk with a sikh guy about 40 years old and he was saying that you believe in one god and the similarities in Islam, he then asked about the kaaba, he said he heard that there are idols in there, I said that they aren't there anymore, it was the pagan arabs who worshipped them but mohammed s.a.w destroyed them. He said about in makkah how when we throw the stone to shaytan it can be seen to be idol worship, I said no it only signifies that we are keeping the devil away, and he said well that what idols are, things that sigify/stand for something. We discussed some things and it bothered me that he was talking like islam and sikhism are on the same level or that sikhism is higher when we all know they don't compare. So I'm now looking sikhism up to improve my knowledge and to destroy any future attemps from sikhs to give sikh dawah. If sikhism is the truth then why are only indian people sikh, if its the truth its the truth for all mankind, and they worship their book the guru granth sahib, they bow down to it in the gudwara and if change its covers like its a human, this is enough evidence of its falsehood.

[JayshAllah]

salaam,

great article sister, I just had a little talk with a sikh guy about 40 years old and he was saying that you believe in one god and the similarities in Islam, he then asked about the kaaba, he said he heard that there are idols in there, I said that they aren't there anymore, it was the pagan arabs who worshipped them but mohammed s.a.w destroyed them. He said about in makkah how when we throw the stone to shaytan it can be seen to be idol worship, I said no it only signifies that we are keeping the devil away, and he said well that what idols are, things that sigify/stand for something. We discussed some things and it bothered me that he was talking like islam and sikhism are on the same level or that sikhism is higher when we all know they don't compare. So I'm now looking sikhism up to improve my knowledge and to destroy any future attemps from sikhs to give sikh dawah. If sikhism is the truth then why are only indian people sikh, if its the truth its the truth for all mankind, and they worship their book the guru granth sahib, they bow down to it in the gudwara and if change its covers like its a human, this is enough evidence of its falsehood.

Dude, Sikhism cannot compare to Islam. Islam is one of the three great Abrahamic faiths, whereas Sikhism is just one of those Eastern religions, on par with Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.

It won't take much research to debunk Sikhism.

[Umm Sabr]

It's been 2 years since this thread was created, I do not know if sister Aaliyah will be back to reply to you.

It is part of the Muslim faith that all sins committed before entering into Islam, are forgiven after embracing islam. I hope this will put your mind to rest regarding Aaliyah's past.

In regards to your own situation, I hope other members on this forum are able to answer your question. However, as you happen to be in a relationship with a Muslim, have you ever considered studying Islam?

Also, thanks for clearing up what you felt was incorrectly potrayed about Sikhism.

p.s just wanted to say thankyou/jazak'Allah khair to Aaliyah for posting her story, it was an uplifting read, and espeicially interesting that you recoginised the concept of the Oneness of God in it's true meaning prior to your reversion. May Allah keep you steadfast on the Straight path ameen.

[troy01]

Sikhism as we know it today is the result of the teachings of the ten Gurus, the first of which was Guru Nanak (1469-1539) and the tenth and last of which was Guru Gobind Singh (1666-1708).

Guru Nanak spread a simple message: "We are all one, created by the One Creator of all Creation." There is no definitive biography of Guru Nanak, though there have been many attempts to write the story of his life by his devotees after his death.

According to Dr. Hari Ram Gupta, author of A Life-Sketch of Guru Nanak, Nanak started his mission at a time when both Hinduism and Islam as practiced in the Indian Subcontinent had become distorted and degraded. The caste system was at its worst, and all kinds of corruption had become rampant in society. Men of vision were worried, and they attacked the rot that had set in the society. Rather than address the socio-political problems, the reformers of the day tried to initiate a spiritual movement that would turn people towards God. They believed that this was the way to cure the ills of the society.

Guru Nanak was indeed the most important of these reformers. He was born to a simple Hindu family. From an early age, he made friends with both Hindus and Muslims and acquired a good knowledge of Hinduism and Islam. He used to spend long hours in discussions with Muslim and Hindu holy men of the area.
There is a story of how he disappeared for three days and came back with enlightenment. It is reported that he was no longer the same person he had been. Then he uttered these words:

"There is but One God, His name is Truth, He is the Creator, He fears none, He is without hate, He never dies, He is beyond the cycle of births and death, He is self illuminated, He is realized by the kindness of the True Guru. He was True in the beginning, He was True when the ages commenced and has ever been True, He is also True now." (Japji)

These words are enshrined at the beginning of the Sikh holy scripture, the Guru Granth Sahib. It was 1499 and Guru Nanak was thirty years old at this time.

After this, with a Muslim companion, Guru Nanak undertook long journeys as part of a spiritual mission. He took twelve years to return from this first journey. He then set out on a second journey traveling as far south as Sri Lanka. On his third journey Guru Nanak traveled to the north to Tibet.

Guru Nanak visited Sheikh Ibrahim, the Muslim successor of Baba Farid, the great Sufi dervish of the twelfth century at Ajodhan. When asked by Ibrahim which of the two religions was the true way to attain God, Guru Nanak replied, "If there is one God, then there is only His way to attain Him, not another. One must follow that way and reject the other. Worship not him who is born only to die, but Him Who is eternal and is contained in the whole universe."

On his fourth great journey Guru Nanak dressed in the blue garb of a Muslim pilgrim and traveled to Makkah. He visited Madinah and Baghdad, too.

After having spent a lifetime in traveling abroad and setting up missions, an aged Nanak returned home to Punjab. He settled down at Kartharpur with his family. People came from far and near to hear his hymns and preaching.

After Guru Nanak’s death in September 1539, his Hindu followers thought him to be a Hindu and his Muslim followers thought him to be a Muslim. That is to say, both Muslims and Hindus viewed him from the perspective of their respective faiths.

It was the later disciples of Nanak who gave shape to a new religion, of which Nanak is considered the first Guru. In 1604, Arjan Dev (one of the ten Gurus) compiled the hymns of Guru Nanak along with the compositions of both Hindu and Muslim holy men, like Jaidev, Surdas, Sheikh Farid, and Kabir. The compiled book was enshrined by Arjan in the Golden Temple and was called the Adi Granth.

It was the tenth Guru, Gobind Singh, who organized the community of Sikhs into a khalsa — "a spiritual brotherhood devoted to purity of thought and action." He taught his followers to wear long hair (kesh, denoting saintly appearance), underwear (kachha, denoting self-control), iron bangle (kara, denoting purity in acts), comb (kangha, denoting cleanliness of mind and body), and sword (kirpan, denoting fight for a just cause).

The Sikh scripture called the Adi Granth (called respectfully as Guru Granth Sahib) is considered the Supreme Spiritual Authority and Head of the Sikh religion, rather than any living person. It contains the works of not only the ten Gurus but also the hymns by sufis like Sheikh Farid (1175 - 1265) and Sheikh Bhikan (who died during the early part of Akbar’s reign).

From the foregoing, we understand the following:

* Guru Nanak was a religious reformer at best; he was not the founder of any new religion.
* Sikhism is the creation of the Gurus, particularly of Guru Gobind Singh, whose compositions and innovations form the content and the framework of the new religion.
* The scripture of Sikhism is not any revelation from God but only the compositions of the Gurus as well as those of certain Muslim and Hindu mystics. For this reason, there is no meaning in talking about the authenticity of the book as a Divine Revelation. Because neither the book nor the authors claim it to have been revealed by God.
* As Muslims, we can perform da`wah to the Sikhs, chiefly by appealing to their faith in the Oneness of God. We can tell them that Guru Nanak was most probably a Muslim when he died; the available evidence favors that conclusion. Anyway he did not try to replace Islam with a new religion; on the other hand, his utterances point to the fact that he certainly believed Islam to be the True Religion of God.

[loveProphet]

He is willing to convert to Sikhism for me,

Then he is not even a Muslim then.

[SikhWoman]

Then he is not even a Muslim then.

yes, then he is not "really Muslim"...and I have cut hair...so I am not "really Sikh".
Yet the social stigma still remains...so...I don't really need advice on the path to God and eternal happiness...I would say that I need some concrete social advice from somebody...on how I can make it work...

I am aware of some things:
1) it may be rejected by many people in his family but he does not care...his sister wanted to marry a black man who was Muslim and her dad did not completely disagree however he did advise her against it for whatever reasons I do not know..so she has married her first cousin from Pakistan and is planning on cheating on him with her previous boyfriend...

2) his older brother married a pakistani woman in an arranged marriage and cheats on her regularly with random white women...bottom line he's not happy...oh and he has a daughter

3) my boyfriend has told his parents he does not want an arranged marriage and they have acknowledged this...yet he is not adamant on finding himself a Muslim girl...

4) he has a younger brother as well and he is basically too young for any thoughts on marriage (he is 19)


so I mean I am painting you guys a picture of his family which I consider already broken...and mine...well mine is as well...My dad is still worried about what other people think of us yet we do not even speak to our extended family...my dad's brothers do not talk to him and they dislike each other greatly
religion seems more of an appearance thing in my family...which I am being brutally honest about.
My father does not wear a turban although he has kept his hair through his entire life..(he is balding so there isn't much there anyhow)
I cut my hair...my sisters cut their hair....my father drinks and does not enjoy going to the Gurudawara...we all eat meat (even if eating meat is allowed in Sikhism...it is not usually done)

so as you can see neither family in REALITY is all that intact by their strong core beliefs in religion...however there are the social stigmas...STILL.


THIS is my problem...not the fight between which religion is "better" ....I could convert to Islam TOMORROW and it would be a stupid decision because it would not solve anything.


I guess I am sort of walking around with a bunch of facts and arguments in favor of or against each situation but it will not help me in my decision.
I just need to have time tell.


I think true love DOES conquer things like this...but only time will tell if our respect and love for each other is true. I explained it in a rather blunt way a few days ago to my Muslim girlfriend...she does not wear a Hijab and she drinks occaisionally....and I do not ask her for religious advice...(I am not looking for religious advice...I have hands and a brain to pick up a book and read so I am all covered in that department guys...thankyou for your insights though)


anyways I told her that when I am with him, it's not like I am thinking that us being together will change people's opinions of each other...I do not think us being together will prove anything to anybody except maybe even promote more hate between the people who love to waste their time on hate. I just see him as a person who I love and I respect...he gives of a positive aura to me and I want to see him do well in his time on this earth. I am his friend and we get along well in a mutual friendship. I know it is right because it is not based on lust or anything degrading but on just needing companionship and respecting and loving each other's opinions.


He has taught me many things that I could not have learned had I not come into contact with a boy who was brought up as Muslim (even though he does not practice) ...and he has learned things about me too which he would not have known had I not been brought up in a Sikh family.

[abdulwahhab]

What brother loveProphet meant by saying that was that if someone who believes that any other religion is the truth besides Islam, that person was never a Muslim. You believe that there is more than one way to God. Muslims believe that since Islam has come and the truth is made evident, to say an alternative is better or the correct way to God is saying one was never a Muslim to begin with.

I would also advise you to learn about Islam from those that do practice Islam rather than a girlfriend who drinks or a boyfriend who is lax and is even considering leaving the religion for the affairs of this world (if a person is so willing to give up his deen for love, is that a person who seriously considers the hereafter or even what the truth is? the entire family you're considering marrying into seems to portray everything that is NOT Islam and it appears they have their priorities mixed up with religion taking the backseat).

[loveProphet]

Sins like adultery etc don't make a person a non-Muslim but believing things clearly contradictory to Islam(like it be that other religions other than Islam are vaild) or having the intention to leave Islam(as in this case) makes one a non-Muslim.

[Umm Sabr]

OF COURSE I have studied Islam! How ignorant would I have to be to not study the religion? I respect many of the things I have found within the religion...I feel like it takes into account the human condition which is the need for independence...I think that it is not arguable as a religion because it is the word of God and for a human to question anything would be futile as it is a test of faith for starters and we as humans probably lack the ability to fully understand the divine.

I found it refreshing to learn that parents are responsible for their children's social sins...as long as they are living in the same house...I think that it is a very human religion and deals with social situations in ways that made sense at the time and many of which make sense still
I respect Islam.

But I have also learned some of the shortcomings which come with the religion like the lack of philosophy behind it...which of course to me also makes sense since human reason applying to Divine word is a little senseless

the Bottom line is that ...Islam is a black and white test of faith...which in my opinion is one of the reasons so many people are attracted into it...because they want to believe and they want to have faith, and they see that there is a concrete way of practicing their faith...concrete tasks....prayers...

belief in angels and demons...belief in heaven and hell...it is so compelling to me and MANY OTHERS.

I am not ready for Islam...I may never be ready...although I RESPECT Islam and even love it ...But I also love Sikhism...I feel that it brings something to the table...and I believe that there are more than one paths to God..therefore I will never be able to be a true Muslim...and in my opinion, one should only convert if they are ready to devote themselves totally.


this is why I do not want my boyfriend to convert to Sikhism...I do not personally see the point...because he is a Muslim. If I never get married to him as a result of this then fine...but if Islam and Sikhism are so important in both our lives (which, I must admit we are not so religious at this moment, only interested in studying) then how can we jump into this so fast.

I don't even know if I want another person's advice anymore, I feel that I should make my own decision and God should judge us.

Your right the decision is yours to make. If you want to talk about things I don't mind being in contact via email/msn. Leave your email with the moderators or ask them for mine if you wish.

[MustafaKamal]

But I have also learned some of the shortcomings which come with the religion like the lack of philosophy behind it...which of course to me also makes sense since human reason applying to Divine word is a little senseless

Hi sister,

I would like to request that you read deeper into Islamic Philosophy. Basically - from Spinoza to Maimonides - you can trace the impact of muslim philosophers on modern western thought. Actually reading any books on philosophy would be a good step to asking the right questions about any religion.



the Bottom line is that ...Islam is a black and white test of faith...which in my opinion is one of the reasons so many people are attracted into it...because they want to believe and they want to have faith, and they see that there is a concrete way of practicing their faith...concrete tasks....prayers...

It is true that we believe there are divine ordinances which are for our (humanity) own benefit (Is there a religion that doesn't believe in some divine external commanding factor?). But the vast majority of things in Islam fall into the gray area. And there is an extraordinary amount of variance between what is permitted and forbidden between accepted legal traditions in the religion.

As for the problem you are having - ask God (i assume Sikhism has a concept of a supreme being - pardon me if i am wrong) - to guide your heart to a state of clarity to aid you in making a righteous decision.

I apologize if I said anything offensive -

[SikhWoman]

Sins like adultery etc don't make a person a non-Muslim but believing things clearly contradictory to Islam(like it be that other religions other than Islam are vaild) or having the intention to leave Islam(as in this case) makes one a non-Muslim.

I see...well I guess what I was trying to illustrate is that they are no moral example.

[SikhWoman]

Hi sister,

I would like to request that you read deeper into Islamic Philosophy. Basically - from Spinoza to Maimonides - you can trace the impact of muslim philosophers on modern western thought. Actually reading any books on philosophy would be a good step to asking the right questions about any religion.




It is true that we believe there are divine ordinances which are for our (humanity) own benefit (Is there a religion that doesn't believe in some divine external commanding factor?). But the vast majority of things in Islam fall into the gray area. And there is an extraordinary amount of variance between what is permitted and forbidden between accepted legal traditions in the religion.

As for the problem you are having - ask God (i assume Sikhism has a concept of a supreme being - pardon me if i am wrong) - to guide your heart to a state of clarity to aid you in making a righteous decision.

I apologize if I said anything offensive -




No you have said nothing offensive...religion is such a touchy topic that I would rather approach with a great deal of patience and respect...
My Jurisprudence prof. clarified to me that Philosophy was strictly forbidden in schools (religious schools of course) and he admitted to this being a setback in the understanding of the religion...he described one of Islam's major paradoxes the creation of the Q'uran...
that if the Qu'ran is the word of God and if God is eternal...then his word is eternal...and so the Q'uran must represent the creation of God...and did God exist before the Q'uran existed?...

this is strange because Islam does consider the Torah and Talmund as well as the Bible literature that acknowledges God's existence.

For me this course was somewhat difficult to wrap my head around...you know I had to literally UN-learn everything I know and just accept everything he was saying to me...and learn to think differently than how we are taught to think in the modern western world.


because...well let's face it...the west clashes with Islamic thought...I imagine people have tried to modernize the religion by aligning Q'uranic verses with the world today and have succeeded but have also failed.

The core beliefs of the religion are easy to understand...but I also know that it is very very ancient in terms of women's equality/equity/and their status compared to men.

I would RATHER NOT get into this as it is very much off topic of my issue...and I don't really want to argue about Islam...the truth is that I think Islam exists for a reason and would rather not challenge it too much because well it was not meant to be challenged.

[SikhWoman]

Your right the decision is yours to make. If you want to talk about things I don't mind being in contact via email/msn. Leave your email with the moderators or ask them for mine if you wish.

Thankyou, I am sort of new to this site and do not know how to contact the admin or anything like that...I would love to ask your advice about things...do you think you could ask the admin to email me your email address so that I could email you personally?



Thanks

[not known]

that if the Qu'ran is the word of God and if God is eternal...then his word is eternal...and so the Q'uran must represent the creation of God...and did God exist before the Q'uran existed?...

this is strange because Islam does consider the Torah and Talmund as well as the Bible literature that acknowledges God's existence.

For me this course was somewhat difficult to wrap my head around...you know I had to literally UN-learn everything I know and just accept everything he was saying to me...and learn to think differently than how we are taught to think in the modern western world.


because...well let's face it...the west clashes with Islamic thought...I imagine people have tried to modernize the religion by aligning Q'uranic verses with the world today and have succeeded but have also failed.

The core beliefs of the religion are easy to understand...but I also know that it is very very ancient in terms of women's equality/equity/and their status compared to men.

I would RATHER NOT get into this as it is very much off topic of my issue...and I don't really want to argue about Islam...the truth is that I think Islam exists for a reason and would rather not challenge it too much because well it was not meant to be challenged.

Quran is a word of Allah and Allah existed before Quran, Quran is the book revealed to the last prophet mohammed (s.a.s), before him there were around 1,24,000 prophets who came onto this earth to spread the message of whom was moses(torah) and jesus(bible), and we muslims accept them as prophets and also their books, but when prophet mohammed (s.a.s) arrived some of them dint accept Him as a prophet for personal reasons though they knew the truth and they remained to call themselves jews and christians but didnt follow what even their scholars accepted and followed, thats why quran refers them as " People of the book or the one who has knowledge of islam "

[Umm Sabr]

Thankyou, I am sort of new to this site and do not know how to contact the admin or anything like that...I would love to ask your advice about things...do you think you could ask the admin to email me your email address so that I could email you personally?



Thanks

I have contacted them and asked for my email address to be given to you. I look forward to hearing from you.

p.s If you go to the bottom right hand side of the page, you will see a small icon "contact us". Click on that icon to contact admin/mods.

[Romeo2]

SikhWoman,

I have read your comments and just want to make the following points. I don't know what will happen to your life in the future (i hope all well) so i have no gain or loss and i will soon be gone from this forum forever.

Points as follows:


1) People on this site, will want you to convert to islam

2) They will encourage you at least, not to leave the chap and stay as is.

3) He shouldn't have to change religion for you.

4) You shouldn't have to change religion for him.

5) There is no gaurantee you can not find someone with better qualities/more suited for you in the future (you probably dont see that right no).

6) You will have to address the issue of children, there is no way your children will avoid the inevitable conflicts that will ensue (no matter how hard you try), they will not know what to do, particularly as one religion teaches that they are the only religion that should be followed.

Any way ciao and goodluck.

[Navia]

This is a very interesting conversation here and I would like to say that as a Sikh, Aaliya stated alot about Sikhism which is not something that stands for Sikhs in general but depending on which Giani Ji you speak to and what there history with Muslims is a huge factor.

For one to say that Sikhism is against Islam is simply incorrect. Most of us have heard or seen the hate between the two; however its more the people whom have made it a touchy subject.

I am also with a Muslim and we have been speaking of marriage and there is alot to consider... family, friends, our faith, our children and there faith.

Its easier said that done but being brought up in a strict Sikh family in which my moms best friends are Muslim no where in Sikhism does it say that Islam is not a acceptable or proper religion.

[ARIF HUSSAIN]

This is a very interesting conversation here and I would like to say that as a Sikh, Aaliya stated alot about Sikhism which is not something that stands for Sikhs in general but depending on which Giani Ji you speak to and what there history with Muslims is a huge factor.

For one to say that Sikhism is against Islam is simply incorrect. Most of us have heard or seen the hate between the two; however its more the people whom have made it a touchy subject.

I am also with a Muslim and we have been speaking of marriage and there is alot to consider... family, friends, our faith, our children and there faith.

Its easier said that done but being brought up in a strict Sikh family in which my moms best friends are Muslim no where in Sikhism does it say that Islam is not a acceptable or proper religion.

well, you are being with a muslim but have you ever shown interest in knowing the Islam religion.
when you came to know the religion you will know what aaliya was trying to show the world.

[abuhajira]

:salam:

what bothers me even more is how people of these different faith console themselves that they understand what Islam is just because they know a few muslims or marrying one.. while these muslims are themselves not even grounded this much to know that they as muslims cannot marry sikhs, hindus etc.. A person who doesnt even know that much in islam, how can we expect him to be preaching the deen properly in the proper manner..

Allah help our ummah.. amin

:ws:

[Rizwan_harbi]

Salam Alekum,

Dear Sister, it was courigious step, I congrechulate you. I pray to Allah (SWT) for a best life here and after.

Indeed, these all precious things are in Islam. This is the only path that goes to Jannah (heaven) and there the kind muslim will find, they have never thought, Inshallah.


your brother in Islam


Rizwan Ullah Khan

[AussieGirl]

This is a very interestin topic and I can especially relate to it. I have gone through alot of hardships also. I also got married to an ex-sikh.

If I can be any help to you (Sikhwoman) you can request contact details from the site's admin.

[AussieGirl]

Salam Sister Aisha,

I am in a similar situation and would like to get some advice from you. Please contact the site admin and they can pass on my email address to you.

A sister in need

[nworb]

Hi,
First off all, I just want to make it clear for everyone here that I am not here to start a fight or put down your religion. I am just here to clarify some things that this ignorant person has posted about sikhism. I don't want the muslims here to have the wrong idea about sikhism based on what this girl has posted.

I came across your post while surfing the net and I specifically joined this site to reply to your post. Regardless of what religion you were born into, if you feel that islam was the choice for you not because ur "boyfriend" was muslim and you were "in love" then so b it. I congratulate you on finding your true self.

You stated that sikhs are going to say things like your fake or wut not. I am a sikh girl and just from reading your post, I personally feel two things, either you r a fake or you are absolutely clueness about sikhism. If your fake, then not much I can say about it, people like creating problems and your just another fool trying to add fuel to the fire. If your real then wow were you ever misinformed or not even taught by your family about wut sikhism is, maybe because they don;t kno it themselves or didnt pay much attention to pass the knowledge onto their children unfortunately like a lotta families do.

Sikhs do not hate muslims(hatred is not a part of sikhism and or any other religion, you hated them because you were surrounded by buffoons who couldn't even tell you about ur own religion let alone someone else's), the mughals were the ones who tortured and misused their powers. They incorrectly used islam or should i said hid behind the facade of what they thought islam was to hurt people. SO get that straight first. Wearing a kara and not eating halal meat doesn't just signify you as a sikh. Being jatt has nothing do with sikhism either. You need know and understand it as well. Those paintings you c in the gurudwara are not "muslims" killing sikhs, its the depicition of the mughal empire and what happened to the sikhs during the reign. They are as a reminder for the new generation to not forget where they came from and how hard sikhs faught to keep their religion alive. They aren't to make sikhs hate muslims.

1) Sikhism doesn't believe in prophethood
I am not reposting all of your post just your headings but anyways. GURU=TEACHER not GOD. Sikh means to learn, gurus were our teachers not our gods. We do not worship them, we respect them as a student respects his/her teacher. There is one god. Just as muslims believe there is one god. God cannot be killed. Whatever happens, happens in god's Raza. If you did"full research" you should know this. Gurus were killed because that was what god intended to happen. Even the guru's are in god's raza. It does not change for a specific being. Showing off your spritual capabilities is forbidden and y would someone so attached to god want to show off to mere mortals. Who are we? We are raised to accept wutever god has planned for us, whether it's something we may consider good or bad, its all in god's plan. Gurus died (although it's actually the body that died, and the soul or jot is one that is passed through all our gurus) to show that the path to attain nirvana is not that simple, you will face difficulties and you must never bow, which is wut they did. They gave up life but not their religion and their way of life. They were an example for all.

2) Sikhism is confused about believing in one god

Ik Onkar does mean 1 god. Your parents once again were unable to inform you on sikhism. Gurus were one jot as I said before but Ik onkar means ik=one, onkar= another name for god. If anyone wants to chek, just type it into google and your will find several dictionary that define it.

3) Guru Nanak was a muslim!!

The chola that you speak of was a gift from people of baghdad. It has arabic verses on it because it was a gift from the muslim population. It wasn't made on request by guru nanak, but rather given to him as a token of their love. They referred to him as a pir.

Guru ji visted a hindu temple in Hinglaj and many others before he visited meca. Does that make him hindu? What sense does that make? He visited places of all religions. His life long companions were hindu and muslim.
Now I know some muslims will be offended but guru ji's point was not to insult or put down muslims by putting his feet towards the kaba. He happened to be sleeping with his feet pointing towars kaba to which Kazi Rukan-ud-din protested. He asked them to move his feet in a direction where their wasn't god or a god's house and when they swung his feet around. The direction of kaba appeared to change. This not showing that kaba follows him and he is above what muslims consider holy or sacred. It was to show that god is everywhere, it doesn't matter what direction you face. I kno I probably have angred some muslims here by saying what I have said and they may not believe this story and that's fine. The point is that it was not an insult to the muslims it is to show that god is everywhere. Kazi Rukan-ud-din, actually has baba ji's sandals on display in pakistan. So you see people who look past the literal meaning aren't angred.

Guru Nanak himself said nah koi hindu nah mussalman. Listen to koi bole ram ram koi khudai if your interested.

4) Guru Amar Das changed things

I don't know where your getting that info from. You state no example. There wasn't a guru granth sahib at that time.

Guru Amar Das added to the scriptures like the gurus before him did and gurus after him did. He didnt change anything.

5) Why is it all the sikh gods died?

What GODS? Gurus are not gods as I said.Seriously. We don't have gods. We believe in one god. the supreme being. It is eternal, which means it doesn't die.

6.)Sikhism and Hinduism very alike

Ok now your a really confused individual, first you say guru nanak ji (the founder of sikhism) is muslim and now your saying sikhism and hinduism are alike?

You still haven't changed as a person have you? you hated muslims before and now your saying geeta had disgusting things in it? There are different ways of saying god, as I have directed everyone to the shabad "koi bole ram ram", the different references you read are another way of saying god. There are writings from muslim saints as well, like baba farid and bhagat kabir. The word allah and khuda is used many times in the guru granth sahib, so shouldn't that mean sikhism is close to islam as well. Your arguement has no basis.

Each to there own, who gives us the rite to denounce how someone else should pray. We don't idol worship or do aarthis like hindus. Like I said their are passages that have islam in them as well. It doesn't make us neither. Good things are similar in a lot of religion, and there is nothing wrong with that, because that what the way to nirvana is. Also the fact that you call it the "sikh book" makes me highly doubt that you are real, because you would kno we do not consider it to be a mere book, but rather our teacher, and we give it every respect we would give a "da-e thari" guru, meaning bodied guru.

I have no idea of an existence of this temple that you speak, unless you can get me name and locations, I can't say anything about what you have written.

About sikhs having the picture of this godess in their house, I am a sikh and no sikh I kno of has any photo of any goddess in their homes, We are not suppose to worship idols. Some so called sikhs adopt hindu rituals but it does not make it rite. They are misinformed as you are. You will read stories of muslims in india enjoying diwali, or holi and praying with the hindus but that doesnt mean those muslims are hindus now. They don't kno what they are doing just like you.


7) Sikhs believe all religons is a way to god

Sikhs don't go against islam. How can we go against it, if we don't follow it to began with. All paths lead to god, some may be longer than others. We don't cut our hair because we believe thats the way we were born and thats the way god intended it to be, it is a connection with the spiritual being we shouldn't modify our body. That goes for tattoos and body piercings too.

Eating meat is not banned in sikhism, Halal meat is. We feel that the animal suffers when it is left to bleed. It has nothing to do with prayers and I don't feel anyone should feel offended by this because muslims call the meat we eat haram, and nobody freaks out over that so whats wrong with the fact that we can't eat halal because we feel it hurts the animal.

Gurudwaras serve vegetarian meals because we believe in reincarnation (no that doesn't make me a hindu, buddhism belives in reincarnation as do other religions), wut you eat is what you are, it doesn't mean if i eat a cow i'll b a cow, it means I take on its karma that it left unfulfilled because I cut it's life short. That goes for murdering someone as well, cosumption of the meat isn't needed to attain the karma of that being. If your not in the higher level of spiritual you will obtain the karma of the animal or person killed. It doesn't mean once your in that high level your allowed to kill anything because you'll free it from being born and dying again again. People who attain this level are not psychotic. If this sounds "funny" to all of you then don't forget that existence of a literal heaven and hell and a devil may sound funny to us. There is nothing wrong with having ur own beliefs, but accept that others have their own beliefs too.

8) Behavior at Amritsar

As another poster on here said, even muslims had hardships, so read what you write before you post gibberish. I said before life of good and god isn't easy. They're are many hurdles. This was in there karm. Even people who are really holy have karm attached to them from their previous lives, which may get played out in this life. If your scared of all this then don't bother. As guru gobind singh ji said, "jo to prem kehlen ka chau, sir ter tali gali mori ao" which means if you wish to play the game of love then come prepared to have ur head on ur hands" meaning don't be afraid of death when ur doing the rite thing.

What the hell are you going on about sikh women getting grabbed by amritsar men? I went to a eid mela once with my muslim friends and I was grabbed (and no I wasn't half naked), these things happen because of people not because of a religion. You think, no one in the city of mecca is bad? If u say no, ur lying to yourself and you know it. Just because a gurudwara or a mosque is in a city does not mean that everyone in that city automatically becomes god like beings. I have heard stories of the quran being mistreated as well. People who do these things will have bad karma attached to them, because what goes around comes around. place. Everything happens because it was intended to, stop asking the same question.

What sexual assault at the gurudwara are you talking about? Yes Harmandir sahib was raided by the army and people were killed, again in god's raza. But we got up and built it again and it's not the first time it happened, it was destroyed before too.


9.) Guru's lies

In sikhism, if you want to be "SIKH" then yes you have to be amrit shak (baptised), no one is saying anything about person from any other religion. You do what is rite in your religion and follow your ways.There is no contradiction there. In sikhism, doing good is part of the deal, you need to do more than that to achieve nirvana. There isn't a literal heaven or hell is sikhism. If you achieve nirvana then you become one with the true eternal being, if not then your based on your karma, you will repeat births. Nothing is being imposed on someone else and their religion so there isn't a contradiction.

Yes your rite, those who do wrong will pay for what they have done, but don't confuse mughals with muslims ok.

To everyone please, seek knowledge for yourself before you read this fool's story and believe this is what sikhism is all about. She obviously does not have a clue what she is talking about so I am not surprised she converted. Oh and yes I pretty sure you are a fake. But congratulations on finding your true self if your not.

[nworb]

Assulum Alaikum

Thanks for ur questions. There is a huge possibility that the Guru Granth Sahib does in fact has Quran verses in it. Because of the reason being Guru Nanak was muslim. It was him who said:

Let God's grace be the mosque, and devotion the prayer mat. Let the Quran be the good conduct. Let modesty be compassion, good manners fasting, you should be a Muslim the like of this. Let good deeds be your Kaaba and truth be your mentor. Your Kalma be your creed and prayer, God would then vindicate your honour." (Majh)

Many would argue that he was not muslim. But the fact are too clear that he was.


"Verily the true religion with God is the faith of Islam".
"Say, God is One. Everything owes its existence to God, but God owes His existence to none. Neither does He beget, nor is He begotten, and there is none like unto Him."
"Verily those who enter into thy bai'at, 0 Prophet, enter into the bai'at of God."

Besides these there were the well-known verse known as the Ayat ul Kursi, the Chapter entitled the Help, the chapter entitled the Fatiha, the names of the Divine Being mentioned in the Holy Quran, and several other verses of the Quran, in all of which importance is attached to adherence to the principles of Islam.

Actually Guru Gobind was not an alchohalic nor was he and achohal lover. He was against alchohal, drugs. In fact they were not aloud anywhere near a gudwara, or were to be aloud near any sikh.

I have never heard of a prayer with such words. There is alot of stuff in the guru granth that talk about how they don't agree with islam. U take what guru nanak said like some of what I stated earlier and then read it on further when the other guru's started adding their stuff to it and u will see how it contradicts with one another. but i have no ever read such a thing or heard it.

I hope i helped answer ur questions!!!

The quote that your getting at was guru nanak trying to get a man named "sajjan thug" to give up his way of life which was stealing and become a good muslim since he was a born in a muslim family. It wasnt because guru ji is muslim it is because we believe in living and letting live, and baba ji chose to enlighten him on his own religion rather than shoving sikhi down his throat.

You haven't read anything yourself, so how can you tell other people that it will contradict each other? your going by things you have heard.

[nworb]

Subhanallah, I just read this and I must say Jazakallah to you, sister, for this fascinating insight into a Sikh's journey to islam.

There has been an increase in the number of sikhs (young women especially) converting to Islam in my locality in recent times with unfortunate repurcussions sometimes but this is the first time I learnt anything significant about Sikhism.


The kara is actually the silver bracelet that all Sikhs wear. One of the 5 Ks. The sister should be able to explain the rest including head covering, inshallah.

Kara is a steel bracelet. It is a symbol to indicate that your beliefs should be strong as steel, and it is worn on the rite hand to help you stop if your about to do something wrong. Because if your right handed you will raise that hand first, which means if your left handed you can wear it on the left. People will still screw up if they want to but it is as a helpful symbol to direct you to the rite path.

We cover our heads, including men as a show of respect, Its an eastern thing. You notice a lot of women cover their heads in front of their in laws in a show of respect, men wear pagri (not only sikh men)because it is considered a sign of respect. Guru is our teacher and we respect it.

[nworb]

assulum alikum,

He actually didn't teach himself. He had several close friends whom were muslims. He actually was being taught by a muslim scholar I can't remember the scholars name. He actually learnt arabic and travelled to many places in the middle east.
as for people saying the top he wears was a gift. Yes some do say it was. but one has to argue why would he Give it to his followers? So if this was a present where is the one he actually wore? Why is it the one that was a gift was kept and not the actual one if this is what they claim? Think about it would Muhammad peace be upon him even keep a top and give it to his followers if it was against what Allah taught him? He ( PBUH) wouldn't would he? Why because it goes against everything, right.
So why did he keep this? Why did he give it to his followers? Why did he perform Hajj? Why did he marry into a muslim family? Why did he say
Let God's grace be the mosque, and devotion the prayer mat. Let the Quran be the good conduct. Let modesty be compassion, good manners fasting, you should be a Muslim the like of this. Let good deeds be your Kaaba and truth be your mentor. Your Kalma be your creed and prayer, God would then vindicate your honour." (Majh)

I hope i helped answer ur question.

He didn't give it to his followers as a symbol that he is muslim or wutever your trying to say. It was a present, why would throw away a present someone gave you. I have the geeta, quran in my house because my father's friends gifted it to us. It would be wrong for us to dispose of such things and ignorant. We have the chola because it belonged to guru nanak ji. It is on display like you would have any other historical item on display in a museum.

He wasn't married into a muslim family. He was married to bibi sulakni, who was born in a khatri family. seriously where r you getting your info from.

[nworb]

salaam,

great article sister, I just had a little talk with a sikh guy about 40 years old and he was saying that you believe in one god and the similarities in Islam, he then asked about the kaaba, he said he heard that there are idols in there, I said that they aren't there anymore, it was the pagan arabs who worshipped them but mohammed s.a.w destroyed them. He said about in makkah how when we throw the stone to shaytan it can be seen to be idol worship, I said no it only signifies that we are keeping the devil away, and he said well that what idols are, things that sigify/stand for something. We discussed some things and it bothered me that he was talking like islam and sikhism are on the same level or that sikhism is higher when we all know they don't compare. So I'm now looking sikhism up to improve my knowledge and to destroy any future attemps from sikhs to give sikh dawah. If sikhism is the truth then why are only indian people sikh, if its the truth its the truth for all mankind, and they worship their book the guru granth sahib, they bow down to it in the gudwara and if change its covers like its a human, this is enough evidence of its falsehood.


You have to remember islam is way older than sikhism and has had time to spread, lets not also forget that some of the mughal kings as I said forced people to convert during their reign, so another reason as to why their are more. I am not saying that all were forcefully converted but a good number were, some stayed muslim some probably did come back to what they originally were.

Guru granth sahib is not a book to us. We do not worship it. It is a our teacher, our 11th and final guru. We do treat it like a "da-e thari" guru, which in your words like a human. In the olden days you bowed to your teachers, some cultures still do. Thats why we bow in front of it not because we worship it.

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean its false.

[andy8118]

Kara is a steel bracelet. It is a symbol to indicate that your beliefs should be strong as steel, and it is worn on the rite hand to help you stop if your about to do something wrong. Because if your right handed you will raise that hand first, which means if your left handed you can wear it on the left. People will still screw up if they want to but it is as a helpful symbol to direct you to the rite path.

Actually the above cold be some rationale behind its practice today but if i'm not mistaken all 5 k's are established as a token of rememberance for the soldiers who fought to sustain sikhism. The steel bracelet was what they used to have attached to heir swords (even whilst sleeping) thus this is your 'sunnah' of the soldiers that defended your communities.

ALLAHU Hadi - yahdikumuLLAH ya Hadi.

[kareemabdullah]

sikhism is a joke. You have stollen from islam and hinduism, a monotheistic religion and a pagan religion, guru nanak was not a muslim, if he was he was a deviant, what you say he did showed he was a deviant who has zero knowledge on islam, and he wouldn't ever have gotten into mecca because he wasn't a religion. That was another lie made by sikhs to anger the muslims for the past, guru nanak lol, what would he know on ALLAH and the best way to worship him when ALLAH clearly revealed through prophets how he wants us to worship him. Who was guru nanak, he had no knowledge and god said nothing to him, muhammad s.a.w is the last prophet, after him nobody gets revelation from god, and the sikhs I know all say sikhism is a mixture of islam and hinduism, fact.

Study islam and leave the false religion of sikhism, nonsense about growing the hair, thats why sikh women have beards lol

if nanak tryed to get to mecca he would have had his head separated from his shoulders in seconds, and if he put his feet towards to kaaba he would get battered, god isn't everywhere, but see's everything, ALLAH is abouve the seven heavens, and nobody sleeps near the kaaba, you sikhs are full of ****, there are no non indian sikhs because its a racist religion that doesn't allow anyone else to join, but the funny thing is, nobody gives a damn, nobody in their right mind woul join anyway. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and you can only reach ALLAH through Islam, not a pagan religion. Why would god allow us to worship a statue of a pig or elephant, or worship jesus when god in none of those, use your head, those religions are false and ALLAH will throw all disbelievers into jahanam forever

[Hamza81]

Can i just say that everyone has a right to tell things from their own perspective!Thats the way she has seen things of sikhism and the way shes explained things about aspects of sikhism only a sikh would know not a fake!Many times i have also got into calm discussions with sikhs over the internet and they get so angry and leary! theres no need for your bad language! Islam teaches manners and im sure sikhism must do so why not implement it?
I went to demontfort university and it is a university full of sikhs! and im a very easy going person and i had some friends who were sikh aswell as muslims! Now the way this sister said things about sikhism made so much sense to me because thats the way it came across when i was living in lesta!
The head of the sikh society was a very well known drunkard yet all the sikhs still looked at him in high regard! He was constantly on the streets drunk and where i used to live near narborough road he used to stagger around with the protection of his friends asking for trouble and fights off anyone who was walking past!Him and his sikh society friends were also known to be the worst trouble makers in and around the city centre especially at night after a drink fueled night out! They also started trouble with the sikhs i knew from luton!
The sikh society in lesta were very well known for their evil tactics towards muslims in and around demontfort! One time i was shocked to know that they sent leaflets urging sikhs to be-friend muslim girls and to mess their heads up! Now these people are representing sikhsim!The muslims have never even dreamt of ever doing this cause were taught to be respectful to every religion and never use evil towards them! Now what message have these people given us about sikhism? For several years ive known many sikh people and nearly 90% of the sikh girls have said that their familys hate muslims and also bought them up to hate muslims aswell! and the way this girl was talking at the begining made complete sense because thast the way man many sikhs are in this country!That is a known fact so please dont deny it! The majority of them have said that if their daughters married muslims then they would be disowned!and that it is shameful for them to marry a muslim! a sikh friend told me not long ago that it is forbidden for a sikh to drink! I was absolutely shocked! The reason is because the biggest drunkards nowadays in all clubs that ive seen are bearded sikhs with turbans!
It is also a well known fact that gurdwaras just like churches are being abandoned by especially the youth and i read a forum where it was being discussed that why cant gurwaras be filled with people like mosques are everyday! I dont understand how sikhs follow aspects of hinduism yet disregard them for worshipping idols? i urge u to look into islam and u will truly see for yourself that it makes sense! Just do that for yourself for your own knowledge cause i know in your mind u know that sikhism is full of too many contradictions and it just doesnt make sense! I hope u will look into islam for yourself! I am sorry if i caused offense with anything that i have said! take care bye!

[kareemabdullah]

salaam

my friend converted a leader of a university sikh society, he has been a muslim for about 6 years, and its a known fact that even the sikhs that wake up at 3.00am to wash their hair and pray still go out on the p**s, and just with church, there is a reason why the youth go to the temple, the christian church only gets a turnout because the kids love music, and especially black churches with gospel, they love music so if you take the gospel out of the church the church would empty. The gurdwara only gets a turnout because the kids get free food, mostly baked beans, thats why sikhs fart alot, and they only go for the food, plus they get martial arts leasons, they are so arrogant, they think their style of martial arts are the best, but they have never tested it, sikhs segregate themselves and this is so people can't learn about sikhism, if people learnt they could be refuted, sikhism is a rip off of the true religion islam and a idol worship religion hinduism, enough said

[Peacenik]

sikhism is a joke. You have stollen from islam and hinduism, a monotheistic religion and a pagan religion, guru nanak was not a muslim, if he was he was a deviant, what you say he did showed he was a deviant who has zero knowledge on islam, and he wouldn't ever have gotten into mecca because he wasn't a religion. That was another lie made by sikhs to anger the muslims for the past, guru nanak lol, what would he know on ALLAH and the best way to worship him when ALLAH clearly revealed through prophets how he wants us to worship him. Who was guru nanak, he had no knowledge and god said nothing to him, muhammad s.a.w is the last prophet, after him nobody gets revelation from god, and the sikhs I know all say sikhism is a mixture of islam and hinduism, fact.

Study islam and leave the false religion of sikhism, nonsense about growing the hair, thats why sikh women have beards lol

if nanak tryed to get to mecca he would have had his head separated from his shoulders in seconds, and if he put his feet towards to kaaba he would get battered, god isn't everywhere, but see's everything, ALLAH is abouve the seven heavens, and nobody sleeps near the kaaba, you sikhs are full of ****, there are no non indian sikhs because its a racist religion that doesn't allow anyone else to join, but the funny thing is, nobody gives a damn, nobody in their right mind woul join anyway. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and you can only reach ALLAH through Islam, not a pagan religion. Why would god allow us to worship a statue of a pig or elephant, or worship jesus when god in none of those, use your head, those religions are false and ALLAH will throw all disbelievers into jahanam forever


salaam

my friend converted a leader of a university sikh society, he has been a muslim for about 6 years, and its a known fact that even the sikhs that wake up at 3.00am to wash their hair and pray still go out on the p**s, and just with church, there is a reason why the youth go to the temple, the christian church only gets a turnout because the kids love music, and especially black churches with gospel, they love music so if you take the gospel out of the church the church would empty. The gurdwara only gets a turnout because the kids get free food, mostly baked beans, thats why sikhs fart alot, and they only go for the food, plus they get martial arts leasons, they are so arrogant, they think their style of martial arts are the best, but they have never tested it, sikhs segregate themselves and this is so people can't learn about sikhism, if people learnt they could be refuted, sikhism is a rip off of the true religion islam and a idol worship religion hinduism, enough said

Please watch your language when responding to others. The Sikh girl has responsed in a very polite and well-mannered way.

I would urge you to do likewise.

And I would like to apologise to the Sikh girl if she has taken any offense at some of the posts.

[kareemabdullah]

the sikh girl was speaking nonsense, but yes, you are right, she said it in a nice way

[Indian_Muslim]

Is it true that Sikhism is a racist religion , becoz there are no non-Punjabi Sikhs , all Sikhs are Punjabis , show me one Sikh who is not a Punjabi....also , there is a caste system within Sikhism , if I'm not mistaken , between Jatts , Rajputs , Khatris and Chamars/Bhangis.

[kareemabdullah]

to SIKH WOMAN

first of all the man you are dating is not a muslim, he was simply born to a muslim family, he is a kafir, a disbeliever, any muslim who says he would convert he would convert to the filth that is sikhism is a kafir, may ALLAH curse him, he woud leave the truth, AL Islam for a bit of crumpit, I.E you, he is not a muslim, sikhism is a false thieving religion full of alcoholics, ever been to a sikh wedding, they are drunk before they get to the ceromony, and sikhism stole from Islam and hinduism and made new stuff up too, fact. So I offer Islam to you, the truth, compared with the falsehood you follow, and there is no true peace in anything except Islam, you will in your life ask many questions that sikhism has no answer for, Islam does. Also sikhism contains countless mistakes and contradictions, would you have been a sikh if not for your family raising you in sikhism? No, but if you studied all religions without bias, you will find Islam t be the truth.

ALLAH says In chapter 17 verse 81

And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."

[chillout]

First off I just want to start off saying to anybody who might be thinking that I am a fake and pretending to make this story up. That in fact I am not, and I know sikhs will say alot of stuff, and I know my muslim brothers and sisters
(some not all) will think inside their head good haha a sikh converted to islam.

But my conversion is nothing to rub in others face or to discriminate against. I have posted this story for those sikhs who might be thinking about reverting but are not sure or need somebody to relate to. Because I sure know if I had that it would have made things clearer to me earlier.

I grew up in a very religious sikh family in Canada. Although my parents were not amrit shak they were pretty religious, and so was I. I went to the gudwara regularly did my seva, prayed. But I wasn't a full practicing sikh (i ate meat, cut my hair) but despite that I was more religious then most young sikhs.

Growing up I absolutly hated muslims. I cannot even begin to emphasize how much i actually did hate them. I hated Islam and everything that it stood for. I use to tell everybody to hate them as well. And it actually worked, my cousins my family friends. I would tell my younger cousins if they ever made friends with a muslim I would kick their [clip]

I picked on young muslim girls who wore Hijjab. I would find muslims online swear at them and at Islam (may allah forgive me).When ever I would have to write a paper it would be on Oppresion of women in Islam, and or how muslims are devil worshippers. My hate for them was extreme I was gonna get a tatoo on my back in arabic writing saying all the muslims are gonna die.

I think about it now as to why I hated muslims and islam so much and it seems clear to me. I was a proud Sikh Jatt girl,extremley proud. Whenever I would hear about what the guru's had to go through because of the Mongols or that era I'd wanna kill a muslim. I would sit in the gudwara listen to the baba tell stories of the guru's and just get ******.

I don't know about gudwara's around the world but in Canada in the langar hall they ususally have so many paintings of muslims killing sikhs and the guru's. So one would sit there and stare at this and be like #%*@#$%%^% while eating their rotti.

One day I met a Muslim guy at university,and we began going out. I don't know why I even went out with him but I did. Eventually we got married, my parents were okay with it. We Had a really nice wedding. I had already told him that I would die before becoming a muslim, and he was okay with that.

As I stayed in their home the first few months of my married life. I began to see them as people. They were actually nice people. They never once asked me to convert which surprised me. His father was very religious, I use to often see him praying or having religious talks with my husband.

Even though I had decided okay maybe muslims are nice..but i was still like hell no Im a Proud Sikh girl, I use to wear my Kara with pride, never ate halal brought my non halal meat for myself.

One day I was like hmm let me find out what islam is. I began reading about it. found it very interesting. It was nothing like I thought it was. It made so much sense to me. But that wasn't gonna change me being a Sikh.

One day I asked my husband to have a debate with me about sikhism and islam. My husband never wins debates but he won this one. So i thought maybe im not that knowledgable in sikhism. I began taking classes and studied it day in day out.

The more I studied it the more I got scared, the fact that Islam might be the right religon shook me. I couldn't give it up, my pride this is who I was a sikh, my anncestors faught to their death so they could keep their faith.

Here is some of what i learned.....

1) Sikhism doesn't believe in prophethood
since i was a little I asked my mom why did muslims kill our gods? He was god mom why didn't god kill the muslims. My mom's answer was he wanted to show them.. show them what mom? her answer was shut up u ask to many questions! I did further research and found out that this was part of guru's plans if they wanted they could have done magic but did not want to.. sureee okay.
why would god allow mere humans to kill him?
So god can die?
If god can't protect himself how is he gonna help me?
god bleeds like me?

Then some say they were sent down from the akal purath to show the way they had a part of god in them. Fiar enough but first off thats wrong guru granth says that it denounces prophethood. Secondly if only a part of god is with them then why do we worship his creation why not worship the almighty himself. Thats like saying imma go worship my mom. Don't even deny it you know ur parents are sure enough to have pictures of guru Nanak and guru gobind singh ji somewhere in the house. And u know ur parents fold their hand and pray to them.

When i use to read Nitnama Bani, I use to read passages which said I seek protection under guru gobind singh ji's sword. Guru Gobind singh ji died, if he couldn't protect himself with his own sword i don't think that sword is gonna do much for me or anybody else.

2) Sikhism is confused about believing in one god

Guru Nanak Dev Ji was the one who said ik onkar (there is 1 god). But Asking my parents and varoius Baba's at the gudwara and even discovering it myself. that in fact Ik onkar means all the guru's are one. Maybe Guru Nanak did mean there is one god but afterwards something happened along the way?

3) Guru Nanak was a muslim!!

Guru Nanak's chola which is kept by a chosen Gursikh family has in arabic the words written on it La illa ilallah muhhamdur rusool allah. It is said he gave it to his followers. There are pictures of it on the internet if you think I am lying. He went to mecca medina which everybody knows.

If u are a muslim u very well know no non-muslims are aloud there. It's strictly for believers only. There is story which says Guru Nanak was sleeping with his feet towards the Kabbah when he arrived at mecca and a man asked him to move his feet. when the man would turn the feet of Guru Nanak his feet would go back in the same place facing the Kabbah. And supposably the man was shocked and thought Guru Nanak was a saint.

This story cann't make sense at all!!
First off If that were true and Nanak had his feet in the direction of the kabbah they would have killed him no questions asked. Its tottal disrespect, and besides why would he come all that way to do hajj and then disrespect it like that. It just makes no sense.

Mecca is an extremly religious place u can't just expect to do that and nothing happen to you. If guru Nanak thought the Kabbah was nothing then he would not have made the trouble to do pilgrimage there. If he claims there is no hindu no muslims why did he go perform hajj.

When you perform Hajj your very lucky if you get some string from the Kabbah which he did and those very strings are in a gudwara in India. I've seen them for myself.

4) Guru Amar Das changed things

Its believed by many that he changed alot of guru Nanaks writings around and or added his own thing in.

5) Why is it all the sikh gods died?

6) Sikhism and Hinduism very alike

For those who do not already know the geeta has very digusting things in it, hindu's don't like to admit it but Kama sutra is considered religious text. Hindu's are idol worshipers. There are stories of their gods jerking off we dont need to get into detail. Guru Granth praises the Hindu gods, talks about them.

Why is this that the guru granth can even have these idol gods and perverted gods in a sikh book. There are passages that talk about hinduism and thier gods and their worships basically not denoucing it saying it too is a way of worship

Also my mom told me That there was this hindu god I dunno her name she had a small mandir and there was a big gudwara next to it, she said to one of the guru's. Ur temple is so big nobody will come to my mandir it is so small. From that day forth guru said to her from now on for those who come to worship at this temple have to first go to the mandir and pray there.

Sikhs in india actually do that today and even have this godesses picture in thier house its the one with the multiple arms.

7) Sikhs believe all religons is a way to god

If this is so then why were the guru's so against islam. I mean wasn't it them wou said follow whatever they are all the path to god? Then why is it that sikhs don't allow to cut hair and eat meat and others fiaths allow it but they still can go to god? Hmm i dunno sounds like somebody got confused.


8) Behavior at Amritsar
Amritsar is the holliest sikh place. Why would god allow it to be attacked the way it was have women being gang-raped. Children killed men murdered. The Guru granth urinated on and set on fire? Also i have heard this from so many sikh ladies when they go to amritsar men will walk by and grab their private parts walk away as though nothing happened. This is suppose to be a holly place and this kind of stuff happens i feel more safer in my house. Its sickening that men will do this, I cannot understand why god would allow this to happen? Sexuall assult at a holy sikh temple ... DISGUSTING

9)Guru's lies

The guru's say that all religons lead to the path of god. If this is so why is it if your not amrit shak (baptized sikh) and did not lead a good life you don't go to heaven, in fact you are re-incarnated and this is an ongoing cycle until u become amrit shak and lead a good life!! So whats with the contradictions. No religon is perfect if so thing contradict with other then they are not the words of god.

I just want to say to all the sikhs out there that U cannot be mad at the muslims for what happened all those years ago. The ones that are to blame are those mongols who commited the crime. Allah will punish them for what they have done.

in the quran it says:

"If someone kills another person,it is as if he had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another person, it is as if he had given life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to them with Clear Signs but even after that many of them committed outrages in the earth. (Surat al-Ma'ida: 32)

Also think about it u can't force convert anybody. Faith is what is already in you it what u are. If I came to you and said convert to Hinduism or u will die, and u said okay sure. Then i leave, how am I suppose to know if u did it from the heart or not u can show something on the outside and be something else on the inside.

also in the quran it says that u cannot force anybody to convert allah guides whom he wills and sets astray whom he wills.
If you are thinking of converting here are some helpful sites

www.islamonline.net
www.****************
www.islamyesterday.com
www.islamtomorow.com
www.harunyahya.com
www.lightuponlight.com

After Discovering all this I automatically wanted to revert. It was wierd. I remember lying in my bed looking the the ceiling thinking about what I had done in the past. I remember crying to allah and asking for forgivness for all the bad things i had said, for how i treated muslims.

I know there are sikh reverts out there, but they rarely speak out about it. If u are one u should speak out about it because its important you help others see the truth.

I wrote this to show sikhs the truth not to disprespect anybody or hurt anybody. Im very glad allah SWT has shown me the right way Alhamdillah. I pray he opens others heart as he has opened mine. you can't escape the miracles of the quran, there are no miracles in the sikh book. I know Ive read it, i've studied it. So i know what im talking about. Put the pride away just for a moment and think about what i said.
Then everything will become clear to you!!

NOTE: MANY HAVE ASKED HOW I STILL BEING A SIKH WAS ACCEPTED HERE IS MY ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS:HOPE IT HELPS:
One day I met a Muslim guy at university, who was also taking bussiness. Our teacher had assighned us a 2 month long project and partnered us up together. Since this project was a good chunk of our mark we spent alot of time together during those 2 months. Growing up I had alot of family problems to do with my dad. None of our extended family ever cared they would laugh, piont or just sit back and watch the show. One day I was really sad and I just blurted out my family problems to him. He amazed me he was the first one to ever care, he wiped my tears. I was shocked that he was a just like a friend and he cared so much. He would after that constantly call me to check up on me, to see if im okay. When things use to get really bad he would take me and my sister out for ice cream.
He would cry with me, and during the 2 months i fell head over heals for him. because for the first time in my life I not ony found a soul mate but a best friend. When the 2 months were over. He told me he liked me and we began going out. We never talked about religon because I guess we both knew it would be a difficutl subject.
At first our families were not too happy with it at all. Lets just say we went through alot of difficulties for a while to be together. No there were no death threats or physical fighting ( thanks u allah lol).
I never knew when when we wanted to be married that he was not aloud to marry a non-muslim only people of the book. I always thought it was just because I was not like them. My husband loved me very much during the time we went through alot to be together we were a wreck. His parents couldn't stand to see him like that neither could mine. His sayin is My happiness lies in my children if they are happy Im happy. I think about how he accepted me while knowing it was against islam and i tremendously love him for that ( because he is very religious). He is the father I never had and i pray to allah that he doesn't get sinned for that. Because i think to myself what if I hadnt been accepted would i still have found the truth? I love him my father in law very much.

Also people might be wondering how did we get married. We had a nikkah. Because i put my stupid pride aside and thought about my father in laws respect. He accepted me and I could not refuse his wishes. We did not have a sikh wedding.
I hope this help answer ur questions.

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/

visit this site and see the miracles

If anybody has any questions feel free to ask
to aaliyahkhan33
obviously you dont know anything about sikhism. this first word in sikh holy book "Guru Granth sahib ji" is akonkar means ONE GOD, and u r confused over that. it just shows how much effort you have put into understandin sikhism.

before you pass on the information to other people, you got to make sure that it is true information, (even ISLAM tells u to do that as i have been told by my best friend who is TRUE muslim) and clearly you have not done that. all of your points gives wrong information about sikhism.

now that you have choosen ur path, i beg you to put some effort into it, understand it and follow it properly.

[chillout]

Can i just say that everyone has a right to tell things from their own perspective!Thats the way she has seen things of sikhism and the way shes explained things about aspects of sikhism only a sikh would know not a fake!Many times i have also got into calm discussions with sikhs over the internet and they get so angry and leary! theres no need for your bad language! Islam teaches manners and im sure sikhism must do so why not implement it?
I went to demontfort university and it is a university full of sikhs! and im a very easy going person and i had some friends who were sikh aswell as muslims! Now the way this sister said things about sikhism made so much sense to me because thats the way it came across when i was living in lesta!
The head of the sikh society was a very well known drunkard yet all the sikhs still looked at him in high regard! He was constantly on the streets drunk and where i used to live near narborough road he used to stagger around with the protection of his friends asking for trouble and fights off anyone who was walking past!Him and his sikh society friends were also known to be the worst trouble makers in and around the city centre especially at night after a drink fueled night out! They also started trouble with the sikhs i knew from luton!
The sikh society in lesta were very well known for their evil tactics towards muslims in and around demontfort! One time i was shocked to know that they sent leaflets urging sikhs to be-friend muslim girls and to mess their heads up! Now these people are representing sikhsim!The muslims have never even dreamt of ever doing this cause were taught to be respectful to every religion and never use evil towards them! Now what message have these people given us about sikhism? For several years ive known many sikh people and nearly 90% of the sikh girls have said that their familys hate muslims and also bought them up to hate muslims aswell! and the way this girl was talking at the begining made complete sense because thast the way man many sikhs are in this country!That is a known fact so please dont deny it! The majority of them have said that if their daughters married muslims then they would be disowned!and that it is shameful for them to marry a muslim! a sikh friend told me not long ago that it is forbidden for a sikh to drink! I was absolutely shocked! The reason is because the biggest drunkards nowadays in all clubs that ive seen are bearded sikhs with turbans!
It is also a well known fact that gurdwaras just like churches are being abandoned by especially the youth and i read a forum where it was being discussed that why cant gurwaras be filled with people like mosques are everyday! I dont understand how sikhs follow aspects of hinduism yet disregard them for worshipping idols? i urge u to look into islam and u will truly see for yourself that it makes sense! Just do that for yourself for your own knowledge cause i know in your mind u know that sikhism is full of too many contradictions and it just doesnt make sense! I hope u will look into islam for yourself! I am sorry if i caused offense with anything that i have said! take care bye!
u r judging the whole religion from an act of bunch of people.
u were shocked about finding out that alcohol is not allowed in sikhism because most of the sikh you know drink alcohol and u assumed that it is in our religion.

brother tell me, will it be right for me to judg islam from action of few muslims who commit gunnah?

i hope u understand my message. i am not here to argue but to clear misunderstanding abt my religion, i hope u wud have done the same thing if you came across a website giving wrong information abt ISLAM.

[chillout]

sikhism is a joke. You have stollen from islam and hinduism, a monotheistic religion and a pagan religion, guru nanak was not a muslim, if he was he was a deviant, what you say he did showed he was a deviant who has zero knowledge on islam, and he wouldn't ever have gotten into mecca because he wasn't a religion. That was another lie made by sikhs to anger the muslims for the past, guru nanak lol, what would he know on ALLAH and the best way to worship him when ALLAH clearly revealed through prophets how he wants us to worship him. Who was guru nanak, he had no knowledge and god said nothing to him, muhammad s.a.w is the last prophet, after him nobody gets revelation from god, and the sikhs I know all say sikhism is a mixture of islam and hinduism, fact.

Study islam and leave the false religion of sikhism, nonsense about growing the hair, thats why sikh women have beards lol

if nanak tryed to get to mecca he would have had his head separated from his shoulders in seconds, and if he put his feet towards to kaaba he would get battered, god isn't everywhere, but see's everything, ALLAH is abouve the seven heavens, and nobody sleeps near the kaaba, you sikhs are full of ****, there are no non indian sikhs because its a racist religion that doesn't allow anyone else to join, but the funny thing is, nobody gives a damn, nobody in their right mind woul join anyway. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and you can only reach ALLAH through Islam, not a pagan religion. Why would god allow us to worship a statue of a pig or elephant, or worship jesus when god in none of those, use your head, those religions are false and ALLAH will throw all disbelievers into jahanam forever

as i have said b4. plz do not pass on wrong information to others. And you have done that, you are making things up and posting, by doing this u r committing gunnah, Allah is watchin 24, 7 and eternity. so to prevent it, do your reserch, when u r 100% sure then post a comment.

"nonsense about growing the hair, thats why sikh women have beards lol"
about growing hair, PLEASE correct me if i am wrong but even ur last prophet had long hair once in his lifetime and Jesus who is mentioned in the Koran as a prophet had long hair. there is nothing wrong with growing hair. as for women, is it allowed in ISLAM for a woman to get her eyebrows and facial hair done? if not then i rest my case but if yes then tell me more about it plz.

[abdulwahhab]

as i have said b4. plz do not pass on wrong information to others. And you have done that, you are making things up and posting, by doing this u r committing gunnah, Allah is watchin 24, 7 and eternity. so to prevent it, do your reserch, when u r 100% sure then post a comment.

"nonsense about growing the hair, thats why sikh women have beards lol"
about growing hair, PLEASE correct me if i am wrong but even ur last prophet had long hair once in his lifetime and Jesus who is mentioned in the Koran as a prophet had long hair. there is nothing wrong with growing hair. as for women, is it allowed in ISLAM for a woman to get her eyebrows and facial hair done? if not then i rest my case but if yes then tell me more about it plz.

I agree that the brother was off the mark when he made insulting remarks towards your religion.

As for your last question, yes. Muslim women are allowed to remove facial hair. They are only not allowed to fashion their eyes by pulling their eyebrow hair (same goes for men) or cut the hair on their heads but facial hair like a mustache or hair on the chin can be removed and should be removed for the sake of the husband.

[umer.siddiqui]

brother chillout and other Sikhs,

I want to sincerely apologize for the way some of the forum members here are absolutely disrespectful towards your religion.

It is totally unislamic to mock other peoples religions. Some people think they are safe saying hateful ignorant things sitting behind their screens, and forget that they are always accountable.

Don't waste your time giving your ear to hatred.

If you want to talk about your religion, I am sure there are many beautiful aspects to Sikhism. We can have an academic discussion about what is Sikhism and how Sikh's should be.

I know I would not appreciate anyone mocking my religion, but I can understand academic debates and discussions that try to seek the truth, which people can respect eachothers sensitivities.

[Singh]

Mashallah. Congratulations!!

I am just wondering why do Sikhs hate Muslims so much. I have so many Sikh friends and all of them speak so much against Islam. The funny thing is that they don't want to listen anything negative about their religion in the process. Also they claim that their hate is only response to Muslim hating for them....looks like to me...they believe we talk and speak against them in our mosques...hehe.
sorry guys i been out there are obvious reasons why sikhs dont like muslims could be the slavery of sikhs which occured during mugul timings and many other facts.

[Rizwan_harbi]

sorry guys i been out there are obvious reasons why sikhs dont like muslims could be the slavery of sikhs which occured during mugul timings and many other facts.

Brother Singh,

As I came to know through one of my best friend, Ravinder Pal Singh, in "Guru Granth Sahib" there are some sweet wording from "Baba Fried" and I also learned that "Guru Nanak Ji" went for Hajj too.

And 'Dara Shikoh' was a deciple of "Guru Ram Das" as I think, I read in a book, even before him, his for fathers were in very good relations with 'Sikh Gurus'. study the boods. I understand, there were some problem during 'Aurangzeb' time. But that all was politics.

Thanks and Best regards,

Rizwan

[ibnfarooq]

Al-humdulillah the light of Islaam is reaching into every community. Here in San Diego I personally know an ex-Hindu who is now a practicing Muslim brother. His family is Brahmin priests and his family was the one that opened the first and only ‘mandir’ in San Diego. The brother went through a very hard time with his family who did not accept his reversion to Islaam but al-Humdulillah he is still a practicing Muslim. I also met a young ex-Sikh man from Canada that had reverted to Islaam and was very active with the “Tableegh’ effort in Canada.

[RajKaregaKhalsa]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

I am a Sikh and outraged on what 'aaliyahkhan33' has said in her first post.

Firstly Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji was not a Muslim! Guru Nanak Dev Ji believed in reincarnation, does Islam believe in reincarnation ?

Also Guru Nanak Dev Ji visited major Hindu shrines aswell as Mecca does that make Hindu aswell ? I think not.

This thing over Guru Amar Das changing things I never heard of and asking around no other Sikh has heard of it.

Sikhism and Hinduism has it's similarities such as belief in reincarnation. Also Hindu God's are mentioned in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but they are mentioned rejecting and telling NOT to believe in the Hindu God's.

And if you think that just because Sikhism and Hinduism is the same just because of their teachings, wouldn't that make Judaism and Islam the same because of their beliefs ?

Also you say that all Sikh God's died. Sikhs believe in one God the 'Ik Onkar'.

And for Sikh's having beards is because we belive God, Waheguru, is the Almighty Creator. He created everything as he wished. Why would God give Human hair if it is not needed ?

If there's anything else you need to know about Sikhism please feel free to ask as there is an answer for everything. And now I have a question, why did Mohammed have Twelve Wives including a 9 Year old ?!

You seem to be proud of everything of what Mohammed has done yet you never seem to mention his Twelve Wives and even 'Aisha' ?!

I await any replies.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh !

EDIT: Also I have seen some of you saying that Sikhism 'stole' from Islam. Islam and Christianity believe in One God, does that mean that Islam 'stole' from Christianity ?

Just becuase Sikhism has some same beliefs as some religions does not mean they are stolen, it means that they are true.

Also you say that Sikhism is a 'racist' religion because everyone is Punjabi. You have been easily been proved wrong. Guru Gobind Singh Ji was born in Patna, Bihar, East India not in Punjab.

[Abu Dajanaa]

Firstly Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji was not a Muslim! Guru Nanak Dev Ji believed in reincarnation, does Islam believe in reincarnation ?

Also Guru Nanak Dev Ji visited major Hindu shrines aswell as Mecca does that make Hindu aswell ? I think not.
Ya, he is not a muslim. He is a mushrik. In islam, we believe that none is worthy of worship but Allah and Muhammad(SAW) is His slave and final messenger.

So you cannot be a hindu and muslim at the same time as hinduism, a religion based on polytheism.



This thing over Guru Amar Das changing things I never heard of and asking around no other Sikh has heard of it.

I dont know who he is.


Sikhism and Hinduism has it's similarities such as belief in reincarnation. Also Hindu God's are mentioned in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but they are mentioned rejecting and telling NOT to believe in the Hindu God's.

And if you think that just because Sikhism and Hinduism is the same just because of their teachings, wouldn't that make Judaism and Islam the same because of their beliefs ?

Judaism and islam is not same as jews do not believe in the final messenger, changed the scripture of God and also they believed that Uzair(AS) was son of God.



Also you say that all Sikh God's died. Sikhs believe in one God the 'Ik Onkar'.

And for Sikh's having beards is because we belive God, Waheguru, is the Almighty Creator. He created everything as he wished. Why would God give Human hair if it is not needed ?

If there's anything else you need to know about Sikhism please feel free to ask as there is an answer for everything. And now I have a question, why did Mohammed have Twelve Wives including a 9 Year old ?!

You seem to be proud of everything of what Mohammed has done yet you never seem to mention his Twelve Wives and even 'Aisha' ?!

I await any replies. It is allowed for the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi wasallam and it is simple as that as we believe in him as the messenger of God. Indeed we are proud of everything he, sallallahu alayhi wasallam, has done.




EDIT: Also I have seen some of you saying that Sikhism 'stole' from Islam. Islam and Christianity believe in One God, does that mean that Islam 'stole' from Christianity ? Christianity believe in trinity which is against islam.


Just becuase Sikhism has some same beliefs as some religions does not mean they are stolen, it means that they are true. Which is true?


Also you say that Sikhism is a 'racist' religion because everyone is Punjabi. You have been easily been proved wrong. Guru Gobind Singh Ji was born in Patna, Bihar, East India not in Punjab.
So?

[RajKaregaKhalsa]

So?


Is it true that Sikhism is a racist religion , becoz there are no non-Punjabi Sikhs , all Sikhs are Punjabis , show me one Sikh who is not a Punjabi....also , there is a caste system within Sikhism , if I'm not mistaken , between Jatts , Rajputs , Khatris and Chamars/Bhangis.



Also you say that Sikhism is a 'racist' religion because everyone is Punjabi. You have been easily been proved wrong. Guru Gobind Singh Ji was born in Patna, Bihar, East India not in Punjab.

Sikh's do not believe in a caste system anyway Guru Nanak Dev Ji and the second and third Guru, Guru Amar Das Ji abolished the caste system.

[RajKaregaKhalsa]

Sorry for the double post.



It is allowed for the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi wasallam and it is simple as that as we believe in him as the messenger of God. Indeed we are proud of everything he, sallallahu alayhi wasallam, has done.

So you think it is ok for a grown man to marry a 9 year old and call her his wife? I mean this question with no hate it's just a question I have.



Which is true?

What you do you mean by that ?

[Singh]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

I am a Sikh and outraged on what 'aaliyahkhan33' has said in her first post.

Firstly Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji was not a Muslim! Guru Nanak Dev Ji believed in reincarnation, does Islam believe in reincarnation ?

Also Guru Nanak Dev Ji visited major Hindu shrines aswell as Mecca does that make Hindu aswell ? I think not.

This thing over Guru Amar Das changing things I never heard of and asking around no other Sikh has heard of it.

Sikhism and Hinduism has it's similarities such as belief in reincarnation. Also Hindu God's are mentioned in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but they are mentioned rejecting and telling NOT to believe in the Hindu God's.

And if you think that just because Sikhism and Hinduism is the same just because of their teachings, wouldn't that make Judaism and Islam the same because of their beliefs ?

Also you say that all Sikh God's died. Sikhs believe in one God the 'Ik Onkar'.

And for Sikh's having beards is because we belive God, Waheguru, is the Almighty Creator. He created everything as he wished. Why would God give Human hair if it is not needed ?

If there's anything else you need to know about Sikhism please feel free to ask as there is an answer for everything. And now I have a question, why did Mohammed have Twelve Wives including a 9 Year old ?!

You seem to be proud of everything of what Mohammed has done yet you never seem to mention his Twelve Wives and even 'Aisha' ?!

I await any replies.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh !

EDIT: Also I have seen some of you saying that Sikhism 'stole' from Islam. Islam and Christianity believe in One God, does that mean that Islam 'stole' from Christianity ?

Just becuase Sikhism has some same beliefs as some religions does not mean they are stolen, it means that they are true.

Also you say that Sikhism is a 'racist' religion because everyone is Punjabi. You have been easily been proved wrong. Guru Gobind Singh Ji was born in Patna, Bihar, East India not in Punjab.

Bhaji, I don't think it would matter if Muhammad sahib pbuh married 9 year old. I mean if we look into historical history we will see that not only in Islam but in many other religions it was nothing wrong in those times. I mean even in Hinduism you will see Kings married youngsters. Those times and now is different, same thing we can say about slavery. Hinduism shows slavery in ancient era, but that is how the time was in those timings. Now a days, you won't see that.

The main point what we all should see, this includes muslims, sikhs, hindus, christians, buddhists, and all the religions, is that we all are one, and our main goal in this lifetime is to do good deeds, raise voice against injustice, and do justice for people who don't get justice. Respect each other's beliefs. In my area I seen some muslims attend Gurdwaras and when I see Sikhs and Muslims together lost in one-ness of God, seeing them is like seeing Jannat Heaven since it's peaceful and their voice of praying whether it be Guru Granth Sahib ji or Quran it reaches to that Al-mighty :)

Waheguru Ji Da Khalsa Waheguru Ji De Fateh.

Singh.

[Rizwan_harbi]

It is allowed but intercourse is only after puberty. I just advise you to look into islam, have a open mind and ask god to guide you.


There is a controversy about the age of Aisha, at the time of her marriage. Most likely, that she was younger than ten years at that time. But the actual wedding did not take place until the second year after the hijrah (the migration to Madina), when she was about fourteen or fifteen years old. After her marriage she did not seem at all overawed by the idea of being wedded to the “Messenger of God”, whom all his companions, including her father, treated with such love and reverence as they gave to no one else.

Aisha lived almost fifty years after the passing away of the Prophet. She had been his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of the two most important sources of God's guidance, the Qur’an and the sunnah (example of the prophet Muhammad). Aisha was one of three wives (the other two being Hafsah and Umm Salamah) who memorized the revelation.

So far as hadith or sayings of the Prophet are concerned, Aisha is one of the four persons (the others being Abu Hurayrah, Abdullah ibn Umar, and Anas ibn Malik) who transmitted more than two thousand sayings. Many of these pertain to some of the most intimate aspects of personal behavior, which only someone in Aishah's position could have learnt. What is most important is that her knowledge of hadith was passed on in written form by at least three persons including her nephew Urwah, who became one of the greatest scholars among the generation after the Companions.

[ILM_Sika]

There is a controversy about the age of Aisha, at the time of her marriage. Most likely, that she was younger than ten years at that time. But the actual wedding did not take place until the second year after the hijrah (the migration to Madina), when she was about fourteen or fifteen years old. After her marriage she did not seem at all overawed by the idea of being wedded to the “Messenger of God”, whom all his companions, including her father, treated with such love and reverence as they gave to no one else.

Aisha lived almost fifty years after the passing away of the Prophet. She had been his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of the two most important sources of God's guidance, the Qur’an and the sunnah (example of the prophet Muhammad). Aisha was one of three wives (the other two being Hafsah and Umm Salamah) who memorized the revelation.

So far as hadith or sayings of the Prophet are concerned, Aisha is one of the four persons (the others being Abu Hurayrah, Abdullah ibn Umar, and Anas ibn Malik) who transmitted more than two thousand sayings. Many of these pertain to some of the most intimate aspects of personal behavior, which only someone in Aishah's position could have learnt. What is most important is that her knowledge of hadith was passed on in written form by at least three persons including her nephew Urwah, who became one of the greatest scholars among the generation after the Companions.

MashAllah this is a brilliant read, May Allah reward you for it, Ameen

[Rizwan_harbi]

[QUOTE=Javanmard;378260]Salaams.


i don't have the time or inclination to answer all the points raised but will help out our Sikh brother in the interests of fairness. The reason you don't cut your hair is because it is a hukam (command) from your Guru and also it helps you remember the sacrifices your people gave for the sake of their freedom.

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Yes, Mr. Javan, I see, the Sikh brothers are very strict concerning their heirs, but unfortunately after 84 riots many of them shaved their beards in Delhi, still I do not understand why, I hope they will get justice.

[Yasir786]

Assalam O Alikum,

Sister I am very glad to know about your self... I just read what you wrote in your post I am sorry I didnt read yet what is going on now in this thread...

Brother
Yasir

Assalam O Alikum.

[RajKaregaKhalsa]

Do you cut your finger nails or leave them to grow? Also, you have not answered as to why you wear clothes as you were created naked??

Well I think that Javanmard answered you there. We do cut our nails because as they grow they die, giving them no use. That's why we comb our hair twice daily removing all dead hair.

Thank you Javanmard for helping me explain.

Thank you Rizwan_harbi for showing your support on Sikhs wanting justice on about what happend in 1984.

[Rizwan_harbi]

Well I think that Javanmard answered you there. We do cut our nails because as they grow they die, giving them no use. That's why we comb our hair twice daily removing all dead hair.

Thank you Javanmard for helping me explain.

Thank you Rizwan_harbi for showing your support on Sikhs wanting justice on about what happend in 1984.

I saw burning of Gurdwara of New Friends cololy from my roof top in New Delhi and later heard one of my friend's family member lost his life from the same community. I could not do anything except of crying. I felt the same pain again for Gujrat's killings.

[Rizwan_harbi]

All hair is from dead cells. How come you all wear clothes then?


Mr. Abu Dujana I am surprise of your continue asking about hairs. You see some people are praying trees, stones animals so how can you object. This is their thinking, we can only inform them about the coming life, that is after death. Every one is responsible for his doings. This life is an exam and every thing is being counting. At the time of death everyone relises but that is too late. I am sorry for the people who fails.

[Abu Dajanaa]

Mr. Abu Dujana I am surprise of your continue asking about hairs. You see some people are praying trees, stones animals so how can you object. This is their thinking, we can only inform them about the coming life, that is after death. Every one is responsible for his doings. This life is an exam and every thing is being counting. At the time of death everyone relises but that is too late. I am sorry for the people who fails.

I was just showing that their logic is wrong. Why do you have objection?

[Rizwan_harbi]

I was just showing that their logic is wrong. Why do you have objection?

Salam Brother Abu Dajanaa,

In the last lines of my writing last time, my answer exists, I am not objecting actually, want to say we should be informative. If we have found the true religion on earth, we should provide the details to all our brothers and sisters on earth in a way of information, in the best form acceptable to all. Who accepts or do not accepts, is not our duty.

Believe me on the day of "Judgement" these people will catch us by our neck, and will ask "Almighty SWT" to punish us as not to reveal the truth to them. We are responsible to educate them for the coming life after death. We should ask "Almighty SWT" in our prayers to previal the truth in their lives.

See, we were not in this world 50 years before and we will not be here after 50 years. How we came to this world. Where will go and what will happen with us. These questions are very important for everyone's life. There is some power working their, controlling from above. Please study from deep, study the holy book "Quran", the reality will will come automatically. Pease TV provides quite information. Nothing is wrong for learning and if in case it is true, then.

Sorry, if you felt sad.

your brother

[SahedulIslam]

Dear Sister,

Your thread/post is completely falsified.

I am an open great admirer of the Sikh faith, and I have done a lot of reading into their history.

By making this absurd thread/post, you have not only revealed yourself to be very hypocritical, but you have revealed the hypocrisy of our Brothers and Sisters.

And I gather that was far from your intention/s. Your intention/s were to mock the Sikh faith, when you are very misinformed about it. The most fundamental and basic concepts are totally misunderstood in your thread/post.

May God bless you,

Sahedul Islam

[Hamza81]

I am a sikh... and firstly good for you if you converted... you obviously don't know about sikhism...all what you have said about what you know.. is wrong.... your parents like most sikh parents nowadays aint taught their kids properly about sikhism.. everything you have said so far i have heard it from my parents too.. which actually made me laugh and i get where your coming from and why you was so confused... am not going to give no lecture on sikhism.. as it can't just be understood with a few words ...

I researched on my own religion (sikhism) and found it very peaceful ..loving ... and a way of life as a humble being ... like islam .. you have to read the quran to understand it.. it goes same for sikhism.. you have to read the guru granth sahib to understand it... that’s with everything in life.....

Nowadays everybody says their religion is right.... even sikhs do.. muslims .. and hindus.... etc... what they forget to understand is that religion aint going to matter when you die.. its your deeds.... i can go on and on... i believe you can only be a true sikh.. a tru hindu or muslim..etc.. if you meditate on the true name.. that is god.. if god never liked muslims sikhs or hindu etc.. he would stop blessing them all with babys... no one knows gods limits... so if you find that it’s your way of life to become a better person... and you got no second thoughts of regrets... and your humble without igronance ..and don't respect believes ways of their own faith ..then you’re not a tru muslim ..sikh... or hindu etc..

Like i said at the start am not going to correct you on this blog..or forum.. as you have already found a religion without gaining true knowledge of your own.. and you feel islam is your path to god .. but it don't make you a better person if you got igorance abouts other faiths you don't know about.. i have studied islam very well.. and i do not find the peace in it ... in the same as to when i read guru granth sahib.. ... you can only say you learnt about sikhism the tru way and never found it my way of life and chose islam.. but your statements obviously show your knowledge on sikhism.. as a humble all loving... human being say to people please learn fully about your own faith before going into another.. not come on here and write what your parents taught you... who don't know themselves about sikhism.. and you use that knowledge on sikhism to promote what negative scope of religion you got...and make no effort to learn but jump to another...... think about it .. one love

Just because she was guided to the truth and saw the flaws and discrepancies of your faith it does'nt mean that she did'nt know anything about Sikhism. It just did'nt make sense to her and she saw right through it and that goes for most sikhs that to convert to Islam.

The fact is that more people are converting to Islam than ANY other faith or belief in this world and they all have their own stories as to why they converted to Islam just like Aaliyah did.

The fact is there is ONLY one true path to eternal success and Sikhism just like Christianity strayed away from Monothism into Polythism. Sikhism is not even a religion it is the teachings of Guru's.

Religion will matter when you die because if one associated partners with the one lord when the lord is one then how can that not matter? If one knew the truth but rejected it out of ignorance, arrogance and pride then how can they achieve eternal succes? You did'nt want to believe Islam was the truth when you looked into the Qur'an then how can you ever accept it as the truth?

If you whole heartedly and with an open mind and heart look into Islam properly and deeply then without a doubt you will realise that it makes COMPLETE logical sense and is non contradictory and EVERYTHING fits together perfectly and it is unlike any other faith or belief in this world. It is a whole system of living on this earth preparing oneself for the hereafter.

Baba Nanak said himself that he has NOT come to create a new religion. It was the tenth Master Guru Gobin Singh who created Sikhism. Baba Nanak promoted the oneness of God and after his death lies started to be attributed to him saying that he believed in re-incarnation etc.

a careful study of Sikh traditions and relics of Sikhism lead to an irrefutable conclusion that Guru Nanak discarded the Hindu doctrines and assimilated the teachings of Islam to such an extent that Sikhism, in its pristine form, can be looked upon as a sect of Islam.

Baba Nanak, by birth, was a Hindu. The elasticity of Hinduism makes it difficult to draw a line, crossing which a man ceases to be a Hindu. Deficiency in one's beliefs in the doctrines of Hinduism can be compensated by one's way of living and customs. But if one mixes with Muslims to such an extent that he eats and drinks with them and publicly performs religious rites of Islam, one would never be tolerated by Hindu society. The whole history of Sikhism shows that its founder, though born a Hindu, mixed with Muslims, joined in their prayers and performed other Islamic obligations, all in public. He wore none of the marks of Hindus upon him. On the other hand, he dressed like a Muslim and had all the insignia of a Muslim faqir on him. He passed his days with Muslim pirs and saints and ate and drank with them. It was a Muslim sufi he constantly turned to for advice and there is not a single instance in his life which indicated that he bowed his head to a Hindu pandit.

There are many places associated with his name, where he is known to have performed Chillas, Nanak's chilla at Sirsa, a small town in the Punjab, is an example. (Chilla is an Islamic form of meditation). Travelling through Muslim countries he reached Mecca where he performed Haj (pilgrimage) and is also known to have visited the holy city of Medina. His choicest friend during these travels was a Muslim, Sheikh Farid, in whose company he passed twelve years of his life. Baba Nanak, while on pilgrimage, dressed like a pilgrim, carried with him a stick, Quran, a prayer mat and a water jug for performing ablution. Even his first four successors are represented in pictures as Muslims, carrying rosaries in their hands.

Guru Nanak also married in a Muslim family. This point is very important because no respectable Muslim family would have taken Nanak as a son-in-law, unless he was known to be a Muslim. Nanak lived in a country under Muslim rule where the marriage of a Muslim woman to a non-Muslim would on no account be tolerated. This clearly indicates that Guru Nanak was accepted as a Muslim by his contemporaries.

The Chola, or the cloak of Baba Nanak, is the holiest relic of the Guru and is preserved in Dera Baba Nanak, a small village in Gurdaspur District of the Punjab. This is a cloak which Nanak wore in his life-time and it is considered so sacred that his immediate followers took every care to keep it safe. The regard and reverence rendered to the Chola by the Sikh community is a testimony to the authenticity of the cloak. The words of Guru Nanak as contained in the Guru Granth Sahib (Sikh scriptures) were not collected until the time of Guru Arjan Dev, the fifth Guru, and therefore cannot be relied upon as accurate particularly as Sikhism had by that time assumed an attitude of hostility towards Islam. But the Chola is clear from this charge, because it was handed down by Nanak himself and has come down to our times in its original condition. It is commonly alleged that verses from different scriptures in different languages are written on the Chola. But this is not true. The verses chosen for writing on the Chola are quotations from the Holy Quran as revealed by photographs recently taken. The religion followed by the man can be none other than Islam.

But strangely, the misconception has gained upper hand in the case of Chola as in the case with teachings of Baba Nanak, which, in spite of being purely Islamic, came by and by to be looked upon as a compromise between Hinduism and Islam.
The congruence of the teachings of Baba Nanak with those of the Holy Quran is so perfect that one cannot escape the conclusion that the Guru had accepted Islam as his religion. He declared that there was One God and He was the same for all and that He was formless. There is none else who is equal to Him. He is the sole Creator of this Universe. Everything is created by Him. He is the ultimate determinant in terms of all forms of His creation.

Sikhism believes in a one and formless God and it does not believe in idol worship. According to it, idol worship promotes attachment of God with something other than God and God cannot limit Himself in the form of an idol or a stone. He is beyond everything and in everything at the same time.

Sikhism does not believe in Avatar, i.e. God descending on earth to protect humanity. On the other hand, it believes that there are men who are spiritual to the highest degree, are blessed souls and therefore are assigned the duty to liberate humanity from its continual suffering.

The book Janam Sakhi of Bala Sahib is an authoritative source of Sikhism. Bala was Nanak's constant companion and he accompanied his Master for twenty years during his travels. It is true that in Janam Sakhi one finds much fiction mixed with facts. Bala was a Hindu and after Nanak's death, estrangemant of Sikhism from Islam had started. As such any statement contained in Janam Sakhi in favour of Islam has the weight of a hostile witness.

The following passages are quoted from the third edition of Bala Sahib's Janam Sakhi, printed by the press, Anarkali, Lahore in the early part of this century.
On page 134 of Janam Sakhi, we read, The Quran is divided into thirty sections, proclaim thou, this Quran in the four comers of this world. Declare the glory of one name only for none other is an associate with me. Nanak proclaims the word of God that came to him, thou hast been granted the rank of Sheikh, so thou shouldst abolish the worship of gods and goddesses and the old Hindu idol - temples.

The fundamental article of the Islamic faith, the Kalima, has been given the
greatest stress in Janam Sakhi. A few Shaloks (verses) from this Sakhi read:

I have repeated one Kalima, there is none other.

I have repeated one Kalima, there is none other.

Those who repeat the Kalima and are not devoid of the faith, shall not be burned on fire.

Repeat the Holy Kalima of the Prophet, it shall cleanse thee of all sins.

By repeating the Kalima, the punishment of this world, as well as the next is averted.

Who ever repeats the Kalima, how shall he be punished? the merit of repeating the Kalima is that a person is cleansed of his sins.

In Bala's Janam Sakhi, we also read that during his pilgrimage to Mecca, Baba Nanak met Qazi Rukn-ud-Din, the Imam and had long conversations with him. It is reported that Nanak said, 0: Rukn-ud-Din, it is written in the Book (i.e., the Quran) that those who drink wine or 'Bhang' shall be punished on the Day of Judgement.

Baba Nanak was not a Muslim in belief only. He recognised the necessity of worship in the form enjoined by Islam and laid stress on this point in his teachings.

On page 193 of Bala's Janam Sakhi, we have: Nanak said, 0: Rukn-ud-Din, hear from me the true reply: the saying of the Lord is written in the Book. That person will go to hell who does not repeat the Kalima, who does not keep the thirty fasts, and does not say the five prayers, who eats what is not lawful for him. These shall receive the punishment and the fire of the bottomless pit shall be his abode.

It is also reported that Baba Nanak kept fasts for a whole year at Mecca and put his fingers in his ears and gave the call to prayer. It is also related that Nanak recited the Khutba of the Prophet and became happy.

The few quotations are sufficient to show that Nanak not only made a full confession of the absolute truth of Islam but also performed the obligations of Islamic law and enjoined others to follow them. Now the question arises how the religion preached by Nanak came to be identified as an offshoot of Hinduism. Anybody who is acquainted with the history of Sikhism would reach the conclusion that the transformation was due to political, not religious reasons.

Baba Nanak was not a mere convert to Islam. He felt he had been called to act as a spiritual guide and to take people into his discipleship after the manner of many Muslim sufis. This has lead later historians to conclude that Baba Nanak founded a new cult which took into his fold Muslims as well as Hindus and hence Sikhism was a compromise of the two religions. We have to reject this conclusion because no Muslim disciple of Nanak is known to have given up his belief in Islamic principles nor to have acted against any Islamic injunctions regarding prayers and fasting. Punjab, at the time of Nanak, was under Muslim rule and if Nanak had converted any Muslim to a faith other than Islam, he would have been sentenced to death for apostacy, (though it is un-Islamic to the core!) was strictly enforced by all Muslim rulers in the Middle ages, but Nanak's disciples were not harmed in any way let alone being stoned to death. This clearly shows that Nanak was looked upon as a Muslim sufi by his contemporaries. It is indeed difficult to explain fully the causes which led to the identification of Sikhism with Hinduism rather than with Islam. But so subtle and variant are generally the causes which shape the religious thought of a people, that a complete satisfactory explanation is often impossible in such matters.

The transformation of Christ's monotheistic teaching to Paulean Trinity offers a greater difficulty when one analyses the course of history. Originally a branch of Judaism, it soon developed into a movement entirely opposed to the parent religion. As plainly as Guru Nanak said that the injunctions of the Islamic law should be followed to attain salvation, Jesus also insisted that the Mosaic law was under no circumstances to be altered. Within a single generation, however, his teachings were altered, lock stock and barrel. Baba Nanak took Hindu disciples, but did not insist on their outright conversion to Islam. They could call themselves Hindus with their traditional life-style and still continue to be in his company.

Nanak probably knew that those who really accepted him as their Master, would ultimately follow him in the Islamic way. There is a strong reason to believe that with Nanak's death the influx of Muslims into his movement stopped all together.
It was his personal charisma that drew Muslims towards him, and won their conviction that he was a Muslim saint.

Accordingly, Nanak's death was the turning point and with this, the Muslim element began to disappear. The movement remained in the hands of Hindu disciples, who, by lapse of time, relapsed into their old faith. The political circumstances accelerated this estrangement. The culmination of this can be seen from the perception of the tenth Master Guru, Gobind Singh Ji, that the power of God on the earth was symbolised by the khanda, a double edged sword. From the fifth Guru, Arjun Dev, onwards, the Islamic elements started disappearing from Sikh literature including the Granth Sahib with only some of these teachings remaining in some Janam Sakhis written earlier.

[mansoormj]

. what they forget to understand is that religion aint going to matter when you die.. its your deeds....

please learn fully about your own faith before going into another..



Need more explanation from your qoutes above Mr Sikh. Why should one learn faith when it does not matter following any faith according to you?

[sikh]

Just because she was guided to the truth and saw the flaws and discrepancies of your faith it does'nt mean that she did'nt know anything about Sikhism. It just did'nt make sense to her and she saw right through it and that goes for most sikhs that to convert to Islam.

The fact is that more people are converting to Islam than ANY other faith or belief in this world and they all have their own stories as to why they converted to Islam just like Aaliyah did.

The fact is there is ONLY one true path to eternal success and Sikhism just like Christianity strayed away from Monothism into Polythism. Sikhism is not even a religion it is the teachings of Guru's.

Religion will matter when you die because if one associated partners with the one lord when the lord is one then how can that not matter? If one knew the truth but rejected it out of ignorance, arrogance and pride then how can they achieve eternal succes? You did'nt want to believe Islam was the truth when you looked into the Qur'an then how can you ever accept it as the truth?

If you whole heartedly and with an open mind and heart look into Islam properly and deeply then without a doubt you will realise that it makes COMPLETE logical sense and is non contradictory and EVERYTHING fits together perfectly and it is unlike any other faith or belief in this world. It is a whole system of living on this earth preparing oneself for the hereafter.

Baba Nanak said himself that he has NOT come to create a new religion. It was the tenth Master Guru Gobin Singh who created Sikhism. Baba Nanak promoted the oneness of God and after his death lies started to be attributed to him saying that he believed in re-incarnation etc.

a careful study of Sikh traditions and relics of Sikhism lead to an irrefutable conclusion that Guru Nanak discarded the Hindu doctrines and assimilated the teachings of Islam to such an extent that Sikhism, in its pristine form, can be looked upon as a sect of Islam.

Baba Nanak, by birth, was a Hindu. The elasticity of Hinduism makes it difficult to draw a line, crossing which a man ceases to be a Hindu. Deficiency in one's beliefs in the doctrines of Hinduism can be compensated by one's way of living and customs. But if one mixes with Muslims to such an extent that he eats and drinks with them and publicly performs religious rites of Islam, one would never be tolerated by Hindu society. The whole history of Sikhism shows that its founder, though born a Hindu, mixed with Muslims, joined in their prayers and performed other Islamic obligations, all in public. He wore none of the marks of Hindus upon him. On the other hand, he dressed like a Muslim and had all the insignia of a Muslim faqir on him. He passed his days with Muslim pirs and saints and ate and drank with them. It was a Muslim sufi he constantly turned to for advice and there is not a single instance in his life which indicated that he bowed his head to a Hindu pandit.

There are many places associated with his name, where he is known to have performed Chillas, Nanak's chilla at Sirsa, a small town in the Punjab, is an example. (Chilla is an Islamic form of meditation). Travelling through Muslim countries he reached Mecca where he performed Haj (pilgrimage) and is also known to have visited the holy city of Medina. His choicest friend during these travels was a Muslim, Sheikh Farid, in whose company he passed twelve years of his life. Baba Nanak, while on pilgrimage, dressed like a pilgrim, carried with him a stick, Quran, a prayer mat and a water jug for performing ablution. Even his first four successors are represented in pictures as Muslims, carrying rosaries in their hands.

Guru Nanak also married in a Muslim family. This point is very important because no respectable Muslim family would have taken Nanak as a son-in-law, unless he was known to be a Muslim. Nanak lived in a country under Muslim rule where the marriage of a Muslim woman to a non-Muslim would on no account be tolerated. This clearly indicates that Guru Nanak was accepted as a Muslim by his contemporaries.

The Chola, or the cloak of Baba Nanak, is the holiest relic of the Guru and is preserved in Dera Baba Nanak, a small village in Gurdaspur District of the Punjab. This is a cloak which Nanak wore in his life-time and it is considered so sacred that his immediate followers took every care to keep it safe. The regard and reverence rendered to the Chola by the Sikh community is a testimony to the authenticity of the cloak. The words of Guru Nanak as contained in the Guru Granth Sahib (Sikh scriptures) were not collected until the time of Guru Arjan Dev, the fifth Guru, and therefore cannot be relied upon as accurate particularly as Sikhism had by that time assumed an attitude of hostility towards Islam. But the Chola is clear from this charge, because it was handed down by Nanak himself and has come down to our times in its original condition. It is commonly alleged that verses from different scriptures in different languages are written on the Chola. But this is not true. The verses chosen for writing on the Chola are quotations from the Holy Quran as revealed by photographs recently taken. The religion followed by the man can be none other than Islam.

But strangely, the misconception has gained upper hand in the case of Chola as in the case with teachings of Baba Nanak, which, in spite of being purely Islamic, came by and by to be looked upon as a compromise between Hinduism and Islam.
The congruence of the teachings of Baba Nanak with those of the Holy Quran is so perfect that one cannot escape the conclusion that the Guru had accepted Islam as his religion. He declared that there was One God and He was the same for all and that He was formless. There is none else who is equal to Him. He is the sole Creator of this Universe. Everything is created by Him. He is the ultimate determinant in terms of all forms of His creation.

Sikhism believes in a one and formless God and it does not believe in idol worship. According to it, idol worship promotes attachment of God with something other than God and God cannot limit Himself in the form of an idol or a stone. He is beyond everything and in everything at the same time.

Sikhism does not believe in Avatar, i.e. God descending on earth to protect humanity. On the other hand, it believes that there are men who are spiritual to the highest degree, are blessed souls and therefore are assigned the duty to liberate humanity from its continual suffering.

The book Janam Sakhi of Bala Sahib is an authoritative source of Sikhism. Bala was Nanak's constant companion and he accompanied his Master for twenty years during his travels. It is true that in Janam Sakhi one finds much fiction mixed with facts. Bala was a Hindu and after Nanak's death, estrangemant of Sikhism from Islam had started. As such any statement contained in Janam Sakhi in favour of Islam has the weight of a hostile witness.

The following passages are quoted from the third edition of Bala Sahib's Janam Sakhi, printed by the press, Anarkali, Lahore in the early part of this century.
On page 134 of Janam Sakhi, we read, The Quran is divided into thirty sections, proclaim thou, this Quran in the four comers of this world. Declare the glory of one name only for none other is an associate with me. Nanak proclaims the word of God that came to him, thou hast been granted the rank of Sheikh, so thou shouldst abolish the worship of gods and goddesses and the old Hindu idol - temples.

The fundamental article of the Islamic faith, the Kalima, has been given the
greatest stress in Janam Sakhi. A few Shaloks (verses) from this Sakhi read:

I have repeated one Kalima, there is none other.

I have repeated one Kalima, there is none other.

Those who repeat the Kalima and are not devoid of the faith, shall not be burned on fire.

Repeat the Holy Kalima of the Prophet, it shall cleanse thee of all sins.

By repeating the Kalima, the punishment of this world, as well as the next is averted.

Who ever repeats the Kalima, how shall he be punished? the merit of repeating the Kalima is that a person is cleansed of his sins.

In Bala's Janam Sakhi, we also read that during his pilgrimage to Mecca, Baba Nanak met Qazi Rukn-ud-Din, the Imam and had long conversations with him. It is reported that Nanak said, 0: Rukn-ud-Din, it is written in the Book (i.e., the Quran) that those who drink wine or 'Bhang' shall be punished on the Day of Judgement.

Baba Nanak was not a Muslim in belief only. He recognised the necessity of worship in the form enjoined by Islam and laid stress on this point in his teachings.

On page 193 of Bala's Janam Sakhi, we have: Nanak said, 0: Rukn-ud-Din, hear from me the true reply: the saying of the Lord is written in the Book. That person will go to hell who does not repeat the Kalima, who does not keep the thirty fasts, and does not say the five prayers, who eats what is not lawful for him. These shall receive the punishment and the fire of the bottomless pit shall be his abode.

It is also reported that Baba Nanak kept fasts for a whole year at Mecca and put his fingers in his ears and gave the call to prayer. It is also related that Nanak recited the Khutba of the Prophet and became happy.

The few quotations are sufficient to show that Nanak not only made a full confession of the absolute truth of Islam but also performed the obligations of Islamic law and enjoined others to follow them. Now the question arises how the religion preached by Nanak came to be identified as an offshoot of Hinduism. Anybody who is acquainted with the history of Sikhism would reach the conclusion that the transformation was due to political, not religious reasons.

Baba Nanak was not a mere convert to Islam. He felt he had been called to act as a spiritual guide and to take people into his discipleship after the manner of many Muslim sufis. This has lead later historians to conclude that Baba Nanak founded a new cult which took into his fold Muslims as well as Hindus and hence Sikhism was a compromise of the two religions. We have to reject this conclusion because no Muslim disciple of Nanak is known to have given up his belief in Islamic principles nor to have acted against any Islamic injunctions regarding prayers and fasting. Punjab, at the time of Nanak, was under Muslim rule and if Nanak had converted any Muslim to a faith other than Islam, he would have been sentenced to death for apostacy, (though it is un-Islamic to the core!) was strictly enforced by all Muslim rulers in the Middle ages, but Nanak's disciples were not harmed in any way let alone being stoned to death. This clearly shows that Nanak was looked upon as a Muslim sufi by his contemporaries. It is indeed difficult to explain fully the causes which led to the identification of Sikhism with Hinduism rather than with Islam. But so subtle and variant are generally the causes which shape the religious thought of a people, that a complete satisfactory explanation is often impossible in such matters.

The transformation of Christ's monotheistic teaching to Paulean Trinity offers a greater difficulty when one analyses the course of history. Originally a branch of Judaism, it soon developed into a movement entirely opposed to the parent religion. As plainly as Guru Nanak said that the injunctions of the Islamic law should be followed to attain salvation, Jesus also insisted that the Mosaic law was under no circumstances to be altered. Within a single generation, however, his teachings were altered, lock stock and barrel. Baba Nanak took Hindu disciples, but did not insist on their outright conversion to Islam. They could call themselves Hindus with their traditional life-style and still continue to be in his company.

Nanak probably knew that those who really accepted him as their Master, would ultimately follow him in the Islamic way. There is a strong reason to believe that with Nanak's death the influx of Muslims into his movement stopped all together.
It was his personal charisma that drew Muslims towards him, and won their conviction that he was a Muslim saint.

Accordingly, Nanak's death was the turning point and with this, the Muslim element began to disappear. The movement remained in the hands of Hindu disciples, who, by lapse of time, relapsed into their old faith. The political circumstances accelerated this estrangement. The culmination of this can be seen from the perception of the tenth Master Guru, Gobind Singh Ji, that the power of God on the earth was symbolised by the khanda, a double edged sword. From the fifth Guru, Arjun Dev, onwards, the Islamic elements started disappearing from Sikh literature including the Granth Sahib with only some of these teachings remaining in some Janam Sakhis written earlier.

Yes it is true that more people are converting all over the world to Islam, there can be a 1000 troops in a army, and 30 men fighting them, it don’t mean the 1000 troops will win, it don’t mean if there’s more of something it is the best, like I said before good for them who either convert to Sikhism, Hinduism or Muslim, etc, if none do not meditate on one supreme truth god, then they all are astray from a true path to god, no matter what religion. Try praying one day with a clear mind, in the Islamic way with love and compassion and equality, maybe you will start respecting all faiths with the blessings of Allah.

There have been many saints, pirs, holy men, profits, gurus, and they all mediate on the one lord, if we all mediate on the one lord with love and compassion what makes anyone say he will not bless us with love, that in its own way is a religion. I have learnt to have love towards every human being with the teachings of the guru’s and saints who speak only about love and one god.
I never said I don’t believe the Quran my friend, I said I did not find peace in it, as I did when I read the guru granth sahib.

I have no time to debate about guru nanak, as a muslim, as a fakir, as a holy men, as a shadu, or a hindu, many call him many things, janam sakhi aint a sacret book of the Sikhs, only the guru granth sahib is. But will say he was here for both muslims and hindus, after his death he passed his guru ship to Guru Angad Dev ji, until the last Guru Gobind singh, who all has the same light and likewise all Guru’s were here for both muslims and hindus. Read the book challenge to sikhism for a better understanding if you want.

Below is a verse when the Muhammadans asked Guru nanak to tell them of the power and authority of his god and how salvation could be obtained, upon the Guru addressed them as follows:

Note: Here is a verse is from Bhai Banno's Granth Sahib)

At God's gate there dwell thousands of Muhammads, thousands of Brahmas, of Vishnus, and of Shivs; Thousands upon thousands of exalted Rams, thousands of spiritual guides, thousands of religious garbs;Thousands upon thousands of celibates, true men, and Sanyasis; Thousands upon thousands of Gorakhs, thousands upon thousands of superiors of Jogis; Thousands upon thousands of men sitting in attitudes of contemplation, gurus, and their disciples who make supplications; Thousands upon thousands of goddesses and gods, thousands of demons; Thousands upon thousands of Muhammadan priests, prophets, spiritual leaders, thousands upon thousands of qazis, mullas, and shaikhs-- None of them obtaineth peace of mind without the instruction of the true guru. How many hundreds of thousands of sidhs and strivers, yea, countless and endless! All are impure without meditating on the word of the true guru. There is one Lord over all spiritual lords, the Creator whose name is true. Nanak, His worth cannot be ascertained; He is endless and incalculable.

Another quote from a Sau Sakhi what would you make of this then my friend.
The Karni Namah was said to be revealed to Qazi Rukan Din, Pir Bahaoud Din, Ghous, Kuthab, Saalaar, Hajji, Sheikh and Mushaikh Aulviya, who sat with Guru Nanak at religious discussions. The Raj Namah was told to Kaarun, on Guru Nanak’s return from
While Guru Nanak was in Mecca and Medina, Qazi Rukan Din asked, ?True King, tell us your prophecy again. Tell us how you will unfold the future?. Your name is Nanak Nirankari and you are from the Nation of the Lord. What are the instructions for the future?

Nanak replied Rukan Din, listen to the true answer Whosoever reads or listens to this shall be content. All doubts shall be removed.

The karni Nama

In the tenth dress shall reside The Lord.
I shall fight many battles against Emperor Aurangzeb.
I shall then send a letter of victory (Zafarnamah) to Aurangzeb with my Singh (Bhai Daya Singh).
Upon seeing him, Power shall lessen and he shall forget his devious ways.
Emperor Aurangzeb will be overwhelmed by the sight of Daya Singh and will start to tremble.
The Khalsa been resurrected! Good has been done by Gobind Singh?
I shall leave having given a kingdom; My name being Gobind
There will be a time when the Khalsa shall forget the teachings I have given them. Sikhi will only be left in name. Many Wars shall occur.
I will have to return again to resurrect the Khalsa. They shall reside in the Punjab.
I shall make people from all four corners into one.
They will be in Majjha; They will raid Lahore.
They will bring Potohaar to justice; They will take Peshawar.
They will set up a cantonment at Attock and then open the Khyber Pass.
They will establish a kingdom in Kabul and then take Ghazni.
After bringing Hazaara to justice they will march on to Kandahar.
After taking Balack and Buckaara, they will conquer Sindh and Baloch.
After gaining victory over these lands they shall govern all the people.
Mecca, Medina and Rome shall tremble.
They shall gain victory in battle over south and west India.
The Guru's Army shall sit at the throne of Delhi.
Umbrellas of kingship shall sway over their heads. All shall be content.
From East to West all shall be conquered. None shall challenge the Khalsa. All humanity shall become one.
In the kingdom of the True King, Satjug shall be established.
The Khalsa Panth shall rule. The arrows of death shall not touch them.
The Army of the Timeless shall grow and spread like locusts.
All shall wear vestments of blue; no one else shall be seen.
Listen Qazi Rukan Din, The Singhs shall rule.
The Unholy Sheikhs shall be destroyed. Pirs and Mureeds shall be no more.
All shall recite the one name of the Lord. Then he shall come himself.
The untrue shall not be able to see his glory.
All humanity shall unite and he will distribute provinces.
The Earth shall give food and the mountains shall give diamonds.
Fruits of many kinds there shall be, upon the sight of the timeless.
All shall recite VAHEGURU and achieve salvation.
Many Dharamsalas (places of discussion) shall exist. The Koran and the Mosques shall vanish.
The Lord shall manifest himself in body (as man).
He will make all utter VAHEGURU. All Singhs shall flock under his banner.
All shall know him as the True One. He will sit at the throne of Delhi.
He will establish a kingdom of peace and no enemies will remain.
Wherever the Khalsa turns his eye, the 14 realms shall tremble.
For 14,000 years, this kingdom shall remain.
Wealth will be collected and food shall be distributed.
The naked and the starving shall all receive; no one will go without.
Sayeth Nanak, Rukan Din, This is how it shall be.
Whosoever reads the Karni Namah, his love with The Lord shall grow.
The Word of the Timeless shall prevail. Those uttering falsehood shall not remain.
After the effect of The Akaal, forests, mountains and the world shall see salvation.
The Khalsa shall Rule. There will be no-one left to oppose them.
All who are lost shall gain the safety of the Khalsa

Raj Nama

Spoken by the First Master
First, Nanak went to Mecca;
Medina he afterwards visited.
The lord of Mecca and Medina,
Kaarun, he made his disciple.
When Nanak was about to depart,
Kaarun, the fortunate, thus spoke:
Now thou art about to go,
But when wilt thou return?
Then the Guru thus answered:
When I put on my tenth dress
I shall be called Gobind Singh;
Then shall all Singhs wear their hair;
They shall accept the 'Pahal' of the two-edged Sword
Then shall the Khalsa be established;
Then shall men exclaim 'Vaheguru'
The four races shall become one and the same;
The five weapons shall be worn by all.
In Kalyug they shall array themselves in vestments of blue;
The name of the Khalsa shall be everywhere.
In the time of Aurangzeb
The wondrous Khalsa shall arise.
Then shall battles be waged,
Endless war shall ensue,
And fighting shall follow year after year.
They shall place the name of Gobind Singh in their hearts.
When many heads shall be rendered up,
The Empire of the Khalsa shall prevail.
First, they shall conquer Punjab;
Then other countries shall be theirs;
Hindustan and the North shall be possessed by them;
Then the west shall bow to them.
When they enter Khorasan,
Kabul and Kandahar shall lie low.
When Iran has been laid prostrate,
Arabia shall be conquered and they shall march on to Mecca.
Mecca shall be beheld,
And Medina shall be seized.
Mighty shall be the rejoicing,
And all shall exclaim 'Vaheguru'.
Unbelievers shall everywhere be destroyed;
The holy Khalsa shall be exalted.
Beasts and Birds shall tremble in the presence of the Lord.
Men and Women shall everywhere call on God.
The Earth, the Oceans and the Heavens shall call on God.
By calling on the Guru shall men be blessed.
Every faith shall become of the Khalsa;
No other religion will remain.
'Vaheguru' shall everywhere be repeated,
And pain and trouble shall depart.
In the Kalyug shall the Kingdom be established,
Which Nanak received from the Lord.
Worthless, I fall before God;
Nanak, the slave, cannot comprehend the ways of the Lord.
Thus replied Nanak to Kaarun's question.





















Guru nanak is mentioned visiting Mecca not kaa’ba, and visited Mecca as a companion of his Muslim friend and devotee mardana, and visiting Mecca is not pilgrimage

[sikh]

Need more explanation from your qoutes above Mr Sikh. Why should one learn faith when it does not matter following any faith according to you?

Because mr mansoormj there are many religions in this world, and people follow them as their faith, all can merge with the lord, only if their faith is followed properly.. muslim, hindu, sikh, etc.. in gods eyes everyone is one, and he don't see you different from another beucase of your religion, only a person will be judged on his deeds and actions in this world, and can get his love in this world through mediation and tru living. this is what sikhism teaches, put in my own words.

[mansoormj]

muslims and hindus, after his death he passed his guru ship to Guru Angad Dev ji, until the last Guru Gobind singh,

All's good with love my friend, the discussion is many religions claim to be monotheistic but they are not. That's the fact, investigate on it. I can quote good words impress you so that every one is happy. That's a bad way i feel to get along as we know how much pit fall you are in. For example the concept of god. when i was a child i was made to learn a poem by Guru Gobind which says "Guru, gobind dowo khade kake lago pay, balihari guru apne gobind diyo batay" which means if God and my guru stand together i will respect my guru first because he was the one who introduced me. which should be a blasphemy to monotheistic religion.

You see we believe in one perfect God, He is one and only, there is none besides him. He is transcendent above all creation. Neither slumber nor sleep breaks him. All praises belong to him. No deity is worthy of worship except him. We cannot even tolerate equating the creator with creation. If you believe in the above words then recall if you believed like this and your deeds in daily life were according to this.

[mansoormj]

Because mr mansoormj there are many religions in this world, and people follow them as their faith, all can merge with the lord, only if their faith is followed properly.. muslim, hindu, sikh, etc.. in gods eyes everyone is one, and he don't see you different from another beucase of your religion, only a person will be judged on his deeds and actions in this world, and can get his love in this world through mediation and tru living. this is what sikhism teaches, put in my own words.
Again the question remains same, why should sister learn about her faith when faith does not matter..

[mansoormj]

Guru nanak is mentioned visiting Mecca not kaa’ba, and visited Mecca as a companion of his Muslim friend and devotee mardana, and visiting Mecca is not pilgrimage

There is a pre requisite for every body to enter boundaries of Mecca, one has to be a muslim.

Proof: It was sent down in almighty's revelation and followed till today.

[sikh]

All's good with love my friend, the discussion is many religions claim to be monotheistic but they are not. That's the fact, investigate on it. I can quote good words impress you so that every one is happy. That's a bad way i feel to get along as we know how much pit fall you are in. For example the concept of god. when i was a child i was made to learn a poem by Guru Gobind which says "Guru, gobind dowo khade kake lago pay, balihari guru apne gobind diyo batay" which means if God and my guru stand together i will respect my guru first because he was the one who introduced me. which should be a blasphemy to monotheistic religion.

You see we believe in one perfect God, He is one and only, there is none besides him. He is transcendent above all creation. Neither slumber nor sleep breaks him. All praises belong to him. No deity is worthy of worship except him. We cannot even tolerate equating the creator with creation. If you believe in the above words then recall if you believed like this and your deeds in daily life were according to this.

Yes your right that many religions claim to be monotheistic,and they are astray from the tru path in believeing in oneness of god. But that don't make them bad people, god does not hate them,they could still be good people, the example of the hindu sacret thread can be used as a example, Make mercy thy cotton, contentment thy thread, continence its knot, truth its twist.
That would make a janoy for the soul; if thou have it, O Brahman, then put it on me.
It will not break, or become soiled, or be burned, or lost.
Blest the man, O Nanak, who goeth with such a thread on his neck.
Thou purchasest a janeu for four damris, and seated in a square puttest it on;
Thou whisperest instruction that the Brahman is the guru of the Hindus--
Man dieth, the janeu falleth, and the soul departeth without it.

only a tru guru (teacher) profit etc.. can put you on the right path to god, but many people obv still chose to follow rituals and man made god etc...


Anyone can quote to impress, am not here to impress, am writing to you with all respect and love, if you think am in a pit fall then thanks for the compliment :)

And i don't know where you got the poem of guru Gobind Singh, i have not heard it before, sikhism also believe the oneness of god, the first prayer of sikhism is the mool mantra, read it. In which it does not make it a blasphemy to monotheistic religion.

yes i do believe what you wrote above about god is very tru, it also relates to the mool mantra of sikhism, and deeds can be in many ways, one love

[sikh]

There is a pre requisite for every body to enter boundaries of Mecca, one has to be a muslim.

Proof: It was sent down in almighty's revelation and followed till today.

what about the englishmen who entered kaa'ba who was a non muslim

[mansoormj]

what about the englishmen who entered kaa'ba who was a non muslim
you have their names, time when they entered?

[mansoormj]

i said in gods court religion does not matter in the hereafter, in this world religion is a way to god, and is a faith obv ... what are you talkin about mansoormj brov
ok, thats fine. still the question remains why should sister follow that particular religion which leads to god, when religion does not matter in gods court.

Note: Read my post carefullly :-)

[mansoormj]

Yes your right that many religions claim to be monotheistic,and they are astray from the tru path in believeing in oneness of god. But that don't make them bad people, god does not hate them,they could still be good people, the example of the hindu sacret thread can be used as a example, Make mercy thy cotton, contentment thy thread, continence its knot, truth its twist.
That would make a janoy for the soul; if thou have it, O Brahman, then put it on me.
It will not break, or become soiled, or be burned, or lost.
Blest the man, O Nanak, who goeth with such a thread on his neck.
Thou purchasest a janeu for four damris, and seated in a square puttest it on;
Thou whisperest instruction that the Brahman is the guru of the Hindus--
Man dieth, the janeu falleth, and the soul departeth without it.

only a tru guru (teacher) profit etc.. can put you on the right path to god, but many people obv still chose to follow rituals and man made god etc...


Anyone can quote to impress, am not here to impress, am writing to you with all respect and love, if you think am in a pit fall then thanks for the compliment :)

And i don't know where you got the poem of guru Gobind Singh, i have not heard it before, sikhism also believe the oneness of god, the first prayer of sikhism is the mool mantra, read it. In which it does not make it a blasphemy to monotheistic religion.

yes i do believe what you wrote above about god is very tru, it also relates to the mool mantra of sikhism, and deeds can be in many ways, one love

That was quote from Kabir Das.

[Adnan bin Khalid]

I know a sikh brother who converted to Islam, he goes in jama'at with me, masha'Allah he says the same thing too, how he just had a natural hate for Muslims without even knowing why. He would joke around to his mother that one day he's gonna marry 4 wives like the Muslims do, then Allah gave him hidayat and his family disowned him for many years. Till now, they themselves are interested in Islam.

[sikh]

you have their names, time when they entered?

I am not sure about the name, time or when he entered, i have read it that a english man has entered the kaa'ba, and loads of people have mentioned it before, but it could be fake, i thought you might of known more about it, as i aint got proof, i will take that back

[sikh]

ok, thats fine. still the question remains why should sister follow that particular religion which leads to god, when religion does not matter in gods court.

Note: Read my post carefullly :-)

you need to read my post carefully aswel :)

I said that girl who converted should read up her own religion before jumping to another, as what she knows about sikhism is not even true to what she has said on her post, if she fully understood it, then came to a conclusion to chose islam, then god bless her and her new path to god, but she has quoted only what her parents and other people have told her.

I do wonder if she has become a good muslim, if so then very good, god is the knowner of all, he can only judge, then like i said a religion and faith of love and humanity, together with your actions and deeds, a path to god in this world would benefit anyone, but in gods court it don't matter about religion, as we are al one to him, so sister got no worrys if she is a good muslim now, but she was not a good sikh, as she did not know anything other than hate, ego and pride, from negative people as she has mentioned in her quotes her parents never were interested in teaching her properly, and she never learnt about it herself properly, and jumped to another. So don't get it twisted .. read what i wrote carefully also.

one love

[sikh]

I know a sikh brother who converted to Islam, he goes in jama'at with me, masha'Allah he says the same thing too, how he just had a natural hate for Muslims without even knowing why. He would joke around to his mother that one day he's gonna marry 4 wives like the Muslims do, then Allah gave him hidayat and his family disowned him for many years. Till now, they themselves are interested in Islam.

People who don't understand love, humanity, the oneness of god, and to love and treat everyone equal, and mediate on the true name, allah, waheguru etc... they will never get rid of hate. don't matter who it is. Anyone who has that sort of spirtual side, I honestly respect him, don't matter what religion he is.

[drsheikh22]

i also agree with this
i myself am a tolerant person and respect all religions
in my opinion the person should be truthful,honest,sholud protect his chastity and have love for the poor
then only he can become the beloved of God
no matter from which religion he belongs

once enter into islam and know about the same then and then u unterstand what is real.

[Usman]

Ermm, Sorry to interrupt, but I read through the thread, where are we going from here? Or is it just a desperation of a sikh trying to clarify his religion and "revert" a sister?

It's quite weird how religion cannot matter to God when He Himself orders people to follow them. As a matter of fact, beliefs are the key to salvation on the day of resurrection. Maybe not in Aryan faiths, but definitely in Semitic ones ( Judaism -> Christianity -> Islam ).

So if the sikh brother has no worries, and thinks God will accept all faiths, then why bother argue here? Or am I missing something?

[mansoormj]

you need to read my post carefully aswel

I said that girl who converted should read up her own religion before jumping to another, as what she knows about sikhism is not even true to what she has said on her post, if she fully understood it, then came to a conclusion to chose islam, then god bless her and her new path to god, but she has quoted only what her parents and other people have told her.

I do wonder if she has become a good muslim, if so then very good, god is the knowner of all, he can only judge, then like i said a religion and faith of love and humanity, together with your actions and deeds, a path to god in this world would benefit anyone, but in gods court it don't matter about religion, as we are al one to him, so sister got no worrys if she is a good muslim now, but she was not a good sikh, as she did not know anything other than hate, ego and pride, from negative people as she has mentioned in her quotes her parents never were interested in teaching her properly, and she never learnt about it herself properly, and jumped to another. So don't get it twisted .. read what i wrote carefully also.

one love

Quran is sent from almighty and so it does with proofs. From the day one of revelation till date Quran is not altered. No versions , no additions. And so it has endured the test of time(~1420 years). Every muslim has easy access to original arabic text. Even today millions across the world memorize full Quran word to word. The best example to prove that Quran can be followed by man is our prophet
The testimonial of faith is just by word, Say "La ilaha illallah, muhammadur rasolullah" you are a muslim.

[mansoormj]

i also agree with this
i myself am a tolerant person and respect all religions
in my opinion the person should be truthful,honest,sholud protect his chastity and have love for the poor
then only he can become the beloved of God
no matter from which religion he belongs

Then why dont you accept Islam, this message was sent from god himself.

[Usman]

Don't look like you read what i wrote about why religion don't matter to god in my faith.. and you say you read through the thread.. you sure are missing the point, but hey never mind.. its all good.

You believe what you believe and after you die, you will find out and so will i... maybe thats the best answer as there aint no argument going on.. and if you think there is.. then its jus ended. one love

Don't know why you keep using street slang, deliberately or obliviously, anyway. Islam is not like other religions that you can "keep it to yourself" and wait till the end of the world to find out what's true. It promotes dialogue and argument based on substantial evidence to find out what's right from wrong.

Again, I won't bother arguing over "amount of thread" being read, as it's unrelated, but the question is , "why are you here?". If religion doesn't matter to you, then why do you bother arguing in this forum in the first place? If desperate replies don't count as "argument" then what does ? Share your beliefs with everyone else, promote them , and let the people decide what's right from wrong, rather than saying "they don't know".

Read about Islam, the forum is full of Information and resources, and maybe you'll be guided by God just like the sister and many other sikhs have embraced Islam in its beauty. We have nothing to hide, no Cast systems except the pious the better, and our beliefs are God given, and not written from other resources. They are detailed and concise at their specific places. Read, and you will know. Just a thought

May Allah give hidayah

[mansoormj]

sorry i know this aint a reply to me.. but i would really like to know what is real?

These guys will tell you the real

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9DYF87enAE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPhY8tuMvPc

[shatibi]

Hadhrat Dr. Mufti Abdul Wahid sahib daamat barakaatuhum:

Why I left Sikhism to Become Muslim (http://www.darsequran.com/scholarsbayaan/mufti-AbdulWahid.php)

[Usman]

Hadhrat Dr. Mufti Abdul Wahid sahib daamat barakaatuhum:

Why I left Sikhism to Become Muslim (http://www.darsequran.com/scholarsbayaan/mufti-AbdulWahid.php)

Masha'Allah, JazakAllah

[mansoormj]

Hadhrat Dr. Mufti Abdul Wahid sahib daamat barakaatuhum:

Why I left Sikhism to Become Muslim (http://www.darsequran.com/scholarsbayaan/mufti-AbdulWahid.php)
Jazakallah brother

[oshin]

Then why dont you accept Islam, this message was sent from god himself.

brother i want to tell you that most of the religions preach the same
well i am here to learn more about islam and i have to accept islam in my later life

[mansoormj]

brother i want to tell you that most of the religions preach the same
well i am here to learn more about islam and i have to accept islam in my later life
Oh! sorry sister i should have read your earlier posts. Do a favor, please share your experiences after your declaration if you wish and remember me and ummah in dua.

[amar_labedi]

Assalamalaikum wa rahmatullahiwa barakatuhu

YOu are exactly right brother mansoor

May Allah for give us our sins and lead us to the straight path...

[sikh]

Don't know why you keep using street slang, deliberately or obliviously, anyway. Islam is not like other religions that you can "keep it to yourself" and wait till the end of the world to find out what's true. It promotes dialogue and argument based on substantial evidence to find out what's right from wrong.

Again, I won't bother arguing over "amount of thread" being read, as it's unrelated, but the question is , "why are you here?". If religion doesn't matter to you, then why do you bother arguing in this forum in the first place? If desperate replies don't count as "argument" then what does ? Share your beliefs with everyone else, promote them , and let the people decide what's right from wrong, rather than saying "they don't know".

Read about Islam, the forum is full of Information and resources, and maybe you'll be guided by God just like the sister and many other sikhs have embraced Islam in its beauty. We have nothing to hide, no Cast systems except the pious the better, and our beliefs are God given, and not written from other resources. They are detailed and concise at their specific places. Read, and you will know. Just a thought

May Allah give hidayah

Its not slang and that also has got nothing to do with the topic. Firstly i aint here to argu, and there has been no argument. Firstly they aint desperate replies, its a forum, people read or reply, your doing the same, so i can ask you the same question, But i don't do arguments, if i thought your arguing i would not bother to reply to your thread my friend, so if you think its a argument, then you don't have to reply.
Yet again you have not read my thread, or maybe you don't understand what i have said.

I did not say religion don't matter to me, i said in god's court religion don't matter, to me it does as its a path to god, but it don't matter what religion only if one looks upon everyone as the same, and have love for gods creation, and has the name of god in his heart and mind. If anyone don't follow their religion with love, and don't comtemplate with their religion, or believe their is not one god,etc.... then they are all astray. Please do read what i write before making such statements.

I agree on your quote "Share your beliefs with everyone else, promote them , and let the people decide what's right from wrong"

But without love for everyone, respecting others faiths to one god, how can you promote such things, without love theres hate, not only being a muslim can get you salvation, anyone can attain salvation with love for god and his creation, is it not true that his light shines in us all, or did god only want muslims to make it to him, and thought let me send the others there for fun, what about all them holy men and saints, guru's from different religions do you think they all went hell because they were not muslim. What ever religion teaches hate, and says there way is right and anothers is wrong, are astray from the true path to god. Religion matters only if you practise it properly with love, othervise what you practise is false.

If someone says my way is the only way, then "they don't know", because they forget the love and that god shines on us all, anyone can get to their own spirtual attainment, who is one to say this is the true way, or this is the right way without love for everyone, why would your way be right, to me it would be hate, so thats why i said they don't know.

Thanks, but i have already read the quran i have two in my own room, I am pleased to say that i have already been guided to GOD with the Guru Granth Sahib, maybe you should read it one day, also jus a tought, and It also is God given, and not written from other resources. They are detailed and concise at their specific places.

[sikh]

brother i want to tell you that most of the religions preach the same
well i am here to learn more about islam and i have to accept islam in my later life

Oshin if you want to learn about islam, read the quran, not a forum, same goes to if you wanted to learn about any other religion you would have to read their holy books, which ever brings you peace, without hate and you can relate to, then let it be your way :) thats my humble advise.

Only one who repeats gods name on their touge and lives life with love, can understand gods words, his love within you, like we are all his through his light, in the same way he loves a person, who see's everyone else the same ...like water loses itself in water, thats the way a human being with love for god and his creation can merge into him and loose his entity, in the mind and heart while in this human body and soul in the hereafer, and that is heaven itself, Why would you need to think about hell when you got love for what i said above. :)

Remember religion is about becoming a better person and filling you heart with love for god and his beings. Thats the basics which i don't see much in people nowadays, very rear.

hope you al the best still ....in finding that peace :)

[mansoormj]

Hadhrat Dr. Mufti Abdul Wahid sahib daamat barakaatuhum:

Why I left Sikhism to Become Muslim (http://www.darsequran.com/scholarsbayaan/mufti-AbdulWahid.php)

very inspiring story, i was in to tears.

[Harjinder Singh Dhat]

Bhadi or Choti Bhehn Aaliyahkhan33. I read your article and it deeply upset me that although you meant no disrespect, you definately showed it and you also contradicted your self a few times. If you want to know about sikhism speak to me but dont speak wrongly about sikhism because you was wrong about alot of things. If you have not read Singh article further down on your thread please have a read.

Please read below and tell me what you think please. I have no hate for islam just those muslims who want to kill everybody, and preach down everyones throats, those fundamentalist who want to convert the whole world. I have muslim friends so this should hopefully show that I have no hate for them.


Sikhism says this:

"We are born of woman, we are conceived in the womb of woman, we are engaged and married to woman. We make friendship with woman and the lineage continued because of woman. When one woman dies, we take another one, we are bound with the world through woman. Why should we talk ill of her, who gives birth to kings? The woman is born from woman; there is none without her. Only the One True Lord is without woman" (Guru Nanak Dev, Var Asa, Ang 473)

"Woman is one half the complete personality of man, and is entitled to share secular and spiritual knowledge equally." (Bhai Gurdas Ji, Var 5, Pauri 16:59)

Quran says this:

"Man have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them." (4:34, Quran)

Even beating of women is permitted in Islam, and men are given a higher status.

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, beat them; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means: For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). (Quran, 4:34)

Sikh women can go to Sikh Temple (Gurdwara), say their prayers and worship accordingly. Women can also take the role of a priest and any other role. Women can lead the congregation and are encouraged more to participate in congregations. But Islam teaches totally the opposite. Women not only have fewer rights than men, but they are also prohibited to go to a Muslim church, called mosque, and worship. Women cannot say their prayers at mosque. Women can go to some graves of holy saints to pray there. When they are at home they have to stand behind men to say their prayers.

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Bhadi or Choti Bhehn Aaliyahkhan33. I read your article and it deeply upset me that although you meant no disrespect, you definately showed it and you also contradicted your self a few times. If you want to know about sikhism speak to me but dont speak wrongly about sikhism because you was wrong about alot of things. If you have not read Singh article further down on your thread.

[Usman]

Bhadi or Choti Bhehn Aaliyahkhan33. I read your article and it deeply upset me that although you meant no disrespect, you definately showed it and you also contradicted your self a few times. If you want to know about sikhism speak to me but dont speak wrongly about sikhism because you was wrong about alot of things. If you have not read Singh article further down on your thread please have a read.

Please read below and tell me what you think please. I have no hate for islam just those muslims who want to kill everybody, and preach down everyones throats, those fundamentalist who want to convert the whole world. I have muslim friends so this should hopefully show that I have no hate for them.


Dear friend, you can have as many nicks as you want, but that's not gonna change anything. First of all, your so-called claim that you hate Muslims who preach down everyone's throats ( whatever that means ), how about you cite them, with substantial evidence from their own sayings? Throwing arrows in the air is easy, just like believing whatever some media tell you is. ... .

You may not hate Muslims, but you certainly have inner disrespect for them, in Islam it's called Hypocrisy, and is far more disliked than disbelief itself.

Then you went on and cited certain examples from the Qur'an saying Qur'an degrades women, another sheer propaganda plagiarized from google.

Islam Gives women the status which no other religion gives.
For your presented verses from your Guru Grant Sab , It is common knowledge, even accepted by the 1st Cast Sikhs that Guru Nanak ji used to study the Qur'an, and other heavenly scriptures. I'm not making any claims, here's an example :

The Qur'an says :

وَٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُونَ وَٱلۡمُؤۡمِنَـٰتُ بَعۡضُهُمۡ أَوۡلِيَآءُ بَعۡضٍ۬*ۚ يَأۡمُرُونَ بِٱلۡمَعۡرُوفِ وَيَنۡهَوۡنَ عَنِ ٱلۡمُنكَرِ وَيُقِيمُونَ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَيُؤۡتُونَ ٱلزَّكَوٰةَ وَيُطِيعُونَ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ ۥۤ*ۚ أُوْلَـٰٓٮِٕكَ سَيَرۡحَمُهُمُ ٱللَّهُ*ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ۬

"And the believers, men and women, are protecting friends one of another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey Allah and His messenger. As for these, Allah will have mercy on them. Lo! Allah is Mighty, Wise." (9:71, Translation by Pickthall)

Sikhism :


"Woman is one half the complete personality of man, and is entitled to share secular and spiritual knowledge equally." (Bhai Gurdas Ji, Var 5, Pauri 16:59)



As for the prior example from Guru Nanak Dev's Var Asa , The Qur'an has revealed a whole Surah by the name "An-Nisaa" , meaning women/wives ( Arabic Proverb), no other Semitic faith has revealed a complete chapter discussing the rights of women, Also, Surah Noor was specifically revealed in the defense of the Prophet SallAllahu alaihi wasallam's wife, our mother Aa'yi'sha ( May Allah have His blessings and peace be upon her ).



"Man have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them." (4:34, Quran)

Even beating of women is permitted in Islam, and men are given a higher status.

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, beat them; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means: For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). (Quran, 4:34)


I believe you're acquainted with the saying " Naqal kay liyay Aqal Chahiyay hoti hay". You have quoted two different translations to suit your point, yet do not know what they mean in reality.

The word used in the Qur'an is "Qawwamoon", go search for it , if you can read arabic , and you'll find out the proper meaning. The translation is "Maintainers", and further on, Qur'an explains why they are women, because they have "one" more superiority, and what is that superiority, that they take care of them, provide them with provision. Where does the Qur'an "De-grade" women here?

As for admonishment, it is about the wives who exceed in their disobedience, not that you can beat any woman you like. You have to be literate with Arabic grammar and proverbs to understand when the word "Woman" is used with what context.

As for women leading the prayers, I won't comment on the "freedom" the women have in the Gurdwara, but if that's freedom, I certainly won't have it for my sister or daughter. The Reason why women should stand behind men in a different line, is to observe veil and protect a woman's chastity and shame. Maybe in your faith, it would we A-Okay to look at a woman's behind ( albeit covered , with all due despect) , but in Islam , not a chance. When you prostrate or bow down, it is against the laws of veil for men to look at other women.

Therefore, get your facts right before pin-pointing at other religions, you may have noticed that no reasonable Muslim here has used any disrespectful words for sikh faith, nor are they making false allegations against it. That's because Islam teaches us that. So if you want to discuss issues intellectually, you're more than welcome here; otherwise, deceptions are not appreciated at any place.

May Allah Guide us all

[Usman]

Its not slang and that also has got nothing to do with the topic. Firstly i aint here to argu, and there has been no argument. Firstly they aint desperate replies, its a forum, people read or reply, your doing the same, so i can ask you the same question, But i don't do arguments, if i thought your arguing i would not bother to reply to your thread my friend, so if you think its a argument, then you don't have to reply.
Yet again you have not read my thread, or maybe you don't understand what i have said.

I did not say religion don't matter to me, i said in god's court religion don't matter, to me it does as its a path to god, but it don't matter what religion only if one looks upon everyone as the same, and have love for gods creation, and has the name of god in his heart and mind. If anyone don't follow their religion with love, and don't comtemplate with their religion, or believe their is not one god,etc.... then they are all astray. Please do read what i write before making such statements.

I agree on your quote "Share your beliefs with everyone else, promote them , and let the people decide what's right from wrong"

But without love for everyone, respecting others faiths to one god, how can you promote such things, without love theres hate, not only being a muslim can get you salvation, anyone can attain salvation with love for god and his creation, is it not true that his light shines in us all, or did god only want muslims to make it to him, and thought let me send the others there for fun, what about all them holy men and saints, guru's from different religions do you think they all went hell because they were not muslim. What ever religion teaches hate, and says there way is right and anothers is wrong, are astray from the true path to god. Religion matters only if you practise it properly with love, othervise what you practise is false.

If someone says my way is the only way, then "they don't know", because they forget the love and that god shines on us all, anyone can get to their own spirtual attainment, who is one to say this is the true way, or this is the right way without love for everyone, why would your way be right, to me it would be hate, so thats why i said they don't know.

Thanks, but i have already read the quran i have two in my own room, I am pleased to say that i have already been guided to GOD with the Guru Granth Sahib, maybe you should read it one day, also jus a tought, and It also is God given, and not written from other resources. They are detailed and concise at their specific places.

My friend, when The Book says it's the only way, I have to believe it, otherwise Im not a Muslim. As for your claim that they are not written from other resources, maybe you need to look deeper into your religion.

[ILM_Sika]

This has gotta be the most read thread like ever, I mean ever since 2010 :) eeeeeeek 19,011 read ooh something likes that......

[RajKaregaKhalsa]

Once again, reading through this really upsets me. What 'Aaliyahkhan33' has said is highly disrespectful towards our Sikh faith. All I am saying is that such downgrading things should not be said. A Muslim, should be a practising Muslim. A Hindu, should be a practising Hindu. And a Sikh, should be a practising Sikh. Do not look down on other religions, treat them as equal. Do not look down on other people, treat them as equal. We are all products of the Almighty God, Allah, Waheguru, Om.

Instead of arguing and wasting time which God has given you, we should use this time by praising and thanking God for all that he has done for us. Would God be pleased that his Children are arguing over such petty things? Please take what I have said into consideration.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.
The Khalsa Belongs To God, Victory Belongs To God.

[Abu Dajanaa]

Once again, reading through this really upsets me. What 'Aaliyahkhan33' has said is highly disrespectful towards our Sikh faith. All I am saying is that such downgrading things should not be said. A Muslim, should be a practising Muslim. A Hindu, should be a practising Hindu. And a Sikh, should be a practising Sikh. Do not look down on other religions, treat them as equal. Do not look down on other people, treat them as equal. We are all products of the Almighty God, Allah, Waheguru, Om.

Instead of arguing and wasting time which God has given you, we should use this time by praising and thanking God for all that he has done for us. Would God be pleased that his Children are arguing over such petty things? Please take what I have said into consideration.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.
The Khalsa Belongs To God, Victory Belongs To God.

bro, the truth is one and it cant be that both monotheism and polytheism can be the truth. Also, it cant be that Islam says Muhammad Sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam is the final prophet and that sikhs say they believe in Guru nanak singh as a prophet. So one has to be the truth and it is up to us to find the truth and this is not a petty issue as surely God would not want us to associate partners in worship with Him which is done in the case of polytheist. Also, God would not want us to follow someone who He did not send as a prophet to be followed as a prophet. This is an important issue as it concerns your hearafter. btw, do you believe Muhammad Sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam to be a messenger of Allah?

Please do read up about islam here: http://www.islam-guide.com/

[RajKaregaKhalsa]

bro, the truth is one and it cant be that both monotheism and polytheism can be the truth. Also, it cant be that Islam says Muhammad Sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam is the final prophet and that sikhs say they believe in Guru nanak singh as a prophet. So one has to be the truth and it is up to us to find the truth and this is not a petty issue as surely God would not want us to associate partners in worship with Him which is done in the case of polytheist. Also, God would not want us to follow someone who He did not send as a prophet to be followed as a prophet. This is an important issue as it concerns your hearafter. btw, do you believe Muhammad Sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam to be a messenger of Allah?

Please do read up about islam here: http://www.islam-guide.com/

Sikhs believe in one God brother, that is shown in one of the main prayers called that Mool Mantar. If you have any spare time please do look up on this. Sikhs do not believes in their Guru's being prophets. They are seen more like teachers, spirtual teachers. Although the word Guru means teacher, Gu means darkness and Ru means light meaning that they give light on the darkness. Sikhs do not believe in your prophet Muhammed as a messenger. Sikhs believe that all religions have part truth in them but Guru Nanak and the other 10 Gurus had taken all that truth but further.

Brother, although you have said that you would not want to associate partners with me would you want to spend that valuable time we have on other things than arguing?

Please forgive me if I have offended anyone.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.
The Khalsa Belongs To God, Victory Belongs To God.

[White Lily]

Assalaamu alaikum,
Jazakillah for sharing! It was a very interesting and nice read!

[Abu-Abdullah]

:salam: Sister Aaliyah khaan,

this is without reading most of the replies sister, so my apologies if I repeat

the marriage which you had with your 'husband' weren't valid according to Islam for Allah dont recognise marriage between a Muslim man and a woman who is not iether Muslim, Christian or Jew, thus if you have not allready, then both you and your 'husband' will need to get married again now to validify it and inshALlah ALlah will forgive you both of your past error

brilliant story by the way; i couldn't help burst out laughing when i read about your vehement hatred for Islam, and all of a sudden your going out with a muslim! :lol:

[Illyas]

First off I just want to start off saying to anybody who might be thinking that I am a fake and pretending to make this story up. That in fact I am not, and I know sikhs will say alot of stuff, and I know my muslim brothers and sisters
(some not all) will think inside their head good haha a sikh converted to islam.

But my conversion is nothing to rub in others face or to discriminate against. I have posted this story for those sikhs who might be thinking about reverting but are not sure or need somebody to relate to. Because I sure know if I had that it would have made things clearer to me earlier.

I grew up in a very religious sikh family in Canada. Although my parents were not amrit shak they were pretty religious, and so was I. I went to the gudwara regularly did my seva, prayed. But I wasn't a full practicing sikh (i ate meat, cut my hair) but despite that I was more religious then most young sikhs.

Growing up I absolutly hated muslims. I cannot even begin to emphasize how much i actually did hate them. I hated Islam and everything that it stood for. I use to tell everybody to hate them as well. And it actually worked, my cousins my family friends. I would tell my younger cousins if they ever made friends with a muslim I would kick their [clip]

I picked on young muslim girls who wore Hijjab. I would find muslims online swear at them and at Islam (may allah forgive me).When ever I would have to write a paper it would be on Oppresion of women in Islam, and or how muslims are devil worshippers. My hate for them was extreme I was gonna get a tatoo on my back in arabic writing saying all the muslims are gonna die.

I think about it now as to why I hated muslims and islam so much and it seems clear to me. I was a proud Sikh Jatt girl,extremley proud. Whenever I would hear about what the guru's had to go through because of the Mongols or that era I'd wanna kill a muslim. I would sit in the gudwara listen to the baba tell stories of the guru's and just get ******.

I don't know about gudwara's around the world but in Canada in the langar hall they ususally have so many paintings of muslims killing sikhs and the guru's. So one would sit there and stare at this and be like #%*@#$%%^% while eating their rotti.

One day I met a Muslim guy at university,and we began going out. I don't know why I even went out with him but I did. Eventually we got married, my parents were okay with it. We Had a really nice wedding. I had already told him that I would die before becoming a muslim, and he was okay with that.

As I stayed in their home the first few months of my married life. I began to see them as people. They were actually nice people. They never once asked me to convert which surprised me. His father was very religious, I use to often see him praying or having religious talks with my husband.

Even though I had decided okay maybe muslims are nice..but i was still like hell no Im a Proud Sikh girl, I use to wear my Kara with pride, never ate halal brought my non halal meat for myself.

One day I was like hmm let me find out what islam is. I began reading about it. found it very interesting. It was nothing like I thought it was. It made so much sense to me. But that wasn't gonna change me being a Sikh.

One day I asked my husband to have a debate with me about sikhism and islam. My husband never wins debates but he won this one. So i thought maybe im not that knowledgable in sikhism. I began taking classes and studied it day in day out.

The more I studied it the more I got scared, the fact that Islam might be the right religon shook me. I couldn't give it up, my pride this is who I was a sikh, my anncestors faught to their death so they could keep their faith.

Here is some of what i learned.....

1) Sikhism doesn't believe in prophethood
since i was a little I asked my mom why did muslims kill our gods? He was god mom why didn't god kill the muslims. My mom's answer was he wanted to show them.. show them what mom? her answer was shut up u ask to many questions! I did further research and found out that this was part of guru's plans if they wanted they could have done magic but did not want to.. sureee okay.
why would god allow mere humans to kill him?
So god can die?
If god can't protect himself how is he gonna help me?
god bleeds like me?

Then some say they were sent down from the akal purath to show the way they had a part of god in them. Fiar enough but first off thats wrong guru granth says that it denounces prophethood. Secondly if only a part of god is with them then why do we worship his creation why not worship the almighty himself. Thats like saying imma go worship my mom. Don't even deny it you know ur parents are sure enough to have pictures of guru Nanak and guru gobind singh ji somewhere in the house. And u know ur parents fold their hand and pray to them.

When i use to read Nitnama Bani, I use to read passages which said I seek protection under guru gobind singh ji's sword. Guru Gobind singh ji died, if he couldn't protect himself with his own sword i don't think that sword is gonna do much for me or anybody else.

2) Sikhism is confused about believing in one god

Guru Nanak Dev Ji was the one who said ik onkar (there is 1 god). But Asking my parents and varoius Baba's at the gudwara and even discovering it myself. that in fact Ik onkar means all the guru's are one. Maybe Guru Nanak did mean there is one god but afterwards something happened along the way?

3) Guru Nanak was a muslim!!

Guru Nanak's chola which is kept by a chosen Gursikh family has in arabic the words written on it La illa ilallah muhhamdur rusool allah. It is said he gave it to his followers. There are pictures of it on the internet if you think I am lying. He went to mecca medina which everybody knows.

If u are a muslim u very well know no non-muslims are aloud there. It's strictly for believers only. There is story which says Guru Nanak was sleeping with his feet towards the Kabbah when he arrived at mecca and a man asked him to move his feet. when the man would turn the feet of Guru Nanak his feet would go back in the same place facing the Kabbah. And supposably the man was shocked and thought Guru Nanak was a saint.

This story cann't make sense at all!!
First off If that were true and Nanak had his feet in the direction of the kabbah they would have killed him no questions asked. Its tottal disrespect, and besides why would he come all that way to do hajj and then disrespect it like that. It just makes no sense.

Mecca is an extremly religious place u can't just expect to do that and nothing happen to you. If guru Nanak thought the Kabbah was nothing then he would not have made the trouble to do pilgrimage there. If he claims there is no hindu no muslims why did he go perform hajj.

When you perform Hajj your very lucky if you get some string from the Kabbah which he did and those very strings are in a gudwara in India. I've seen them for myself.

4) Guru Amar Das changed things

Its believed by many that he changed alot of guru Nanaks writings around and or added his own thing in.

5) Why is it all the sikh gods died?

6) Sikhism and Hinduism very alike

For those who do not already know the geeta has very digusting things in it, hindu's don't like to admit it but Kama sutra is considered religious text. Hindu's are idol worshipers. There are stories of their gods jerking off we dont need to get into detail. Guru Granth praises the Hindu gods, talks about them.

Why is this that the guru granth can even have these idol gods and perverted gods in a sikh book. There are passages that talk about hinduism and thier gods and their worships basically not denoucing it saying it too is a way of worship

Also my mom told me That there was this hindu god I dunno her name she had a small mandir and there was a big gudwara next to it, she said to one of the guru's. Ur temple is so big nobody will come to my mandir it is so small. From that day forth guru said to her from now on for those who come to worship at this temple have to first go to the mandir and pray there.

Sikhs in india actually do that today and even have this godesses picture in thier house its the one with the multiple arms.

7) Sikhs believe all religons is a way to god

If this is so then why were the guru's so against islam. I mean wasn't it them wou said follow whatever they are all the path to god? Then why is it that sikhs don't allow to cut hair and eat meat and others fiaths allow it but they still can go to god? Hmm i dunno sounds like somebody got confused.


8) Behavior at Amritsar
Amritsar is the holliest sikh place. Why would god allow it to be attacked the way it was have women being gang-raped. Children killed men murdered. The Guru granth urinated on and set on fire? Also i have heard this from so many sikh ladies when they go to amritsar men will walk by and grab their private parts walk away as though nothing happened. This is suppose to be a holly place and this kind of stuff happens i feel more safer in my house. Its sickening that men will do this, I cannot understand why god would allow this to happen? Sexuall assult at a holy sikh temple ... DISGUSTING

9)Guru's lies

The guru's say that all religons lead to the path of god. If this is so why is it if your not amrit shak (baptized sikh) and did not lead a good life you don't go to heaven, in fact you are re-incarnated and this is an ongoing cycle until u become amrit shak and lead a good life!! So whats with the contradictions. No religon is perfect if so thing contradict with other then they are not the words of god.

I just want to say to all the sikhs out there that U cannot be mad at the muslims for what happened all those years ago. The ones that are to blame are those mongols who commited the crime. Allah will punish them for what they have done.

in the quran it says:

"If someone kills another person,it is as if he had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another person, it is as if he had given life to all mankind. Our Messengers came to them with Clear Signs but even after that many of them committed outrages in the earth. (Surat al-Ma'ida: 32)

Also think about it u can't force convert anybody. Faith is what is already in you it what u are. If I came to you and said convert to Hinduism or u will die, and u said okay sure. Then i leave, how am I suppose to know if u did it from the heart or not u can show something on the outside and be something else on the inside.

also in the quran it says that u cannot force anybody to convert allah guides whom he wills and sets astray whom he wills.
If you are thinking of converting here are some helpful sites

www.islamonline.net
www.****************
www.islamyesterday.com
www.islamtomorow.com
www.harunyahya.com
www.lightuponlight.com

After Discovering all this I automatically wanted to revert. It was wierd. I remember lying in my bed looking the the ceiling thinking about what I had done in the past. I remember crying to allah and asking for forgivness for all the bad things i had said, for how i treated muslims.

I know there are sikh reverts out there, but they rarely speak out about it. If u are one u should speak out about it because its important you help others see the truth.

I wrote this to show sikhs the truth not to disprespect anybody or hurt anybody. Im very glad allah SWT has shown me the right way Alhamdillah. I pray he opens others heart as he has opened mine. you can't escape the miracles of the quran, there are no miracles in the sikh book. I know Ive read it, i've studied it. So i know what im talking about. Put the pride away just for a moment and think about what i said.
Then everything will become clear to you!!

NOTE: MANY HAVE ASKED HOW I STILL BEING A SIKH WAS ACCEPTED HERE IS MY ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS:HOPE IT HELPS:
One day I met a Muslim guy at university, who was also taking bussiness. Our teacher had assighned us a 2 month long project and partnered us up together. Since this project was a good chunk of our mark we spent alot of time together during those 2 months. Growing up I had alot of family problems to do with my dad. None of our extended family ever cared they would laugh, piont or just sit back and watch the show. One day I was really sad and I just blurted out my family problems to him. He amazed me he was the first one to ever care, he wiped my tears. I was shocked that he was a just like a friend and he cared so much. He would after that constantly call me to check up on me, to see if im okay. When things use to get really bad he would take me and my sister out for ice cream.
He would cry with me, and during the 2 months i fell head over heals for him. because for the first time in my life I not ony found a soul mate but a best friend. When the 2 months were over. He told me he liked me and we began going out. We never talked about religon because I guess we both knew it would be a difficutl subject.
At first our families were not too happy with it at all. Lets just say we went through alot of difficulties for a while to be together. No there were no death threats or physical fighting ( thanks u allah lol).
I never knew when when we wanted to be married that he was not aloud to marry a non-muslim only people of the book. I always thought it was just because I was not like them. My husband loved me very much during the time we went through alot to be together we were a wreck. His parents couldn't stand to see him like that neither could mine. His sayin is My happiness lies in my children if they are happy Im happy. I think about how he accepted me while knowing it was against islam and i tremendously love him for that ( because he is very religious). He is the father I never had and i pray to allah that he doesn't get sinned for that. Because i think to myself what if I hadnt been accepted would i still have found the truth? I love him my father in law very much.

Also people might be wondering how did we get married. We had a nikkah. Because i put my stupid pride aside and thought about my father in laws respect. He accepted me and I could not refuse his wishes. We did not have a sikh wedding.
I hope this help answer ur questions.

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/

visit this site and see the miracles

If anybody has any questions feel free to ask

Subhannullah Sister may Allah bless you with Jannah tull Firdauos and may he forgive your Husband....Ameen! I just recently found out about sikhs and all i knew was that they believed in one God and they didn't really practice organized religion. Now i know the truth. Shukran and may Allah forgive me (Ameen)

Now...the Mongols that killed the sikhs were muslims? I know the Mongols accepted Islam.

Salaam

[Nurdayana]

assalammualaikum,

Hi sis can i make frend with u..

[hugoman]

Very nice.

[hugoman]

Bhaji, I don't think it would matter if Muhammad sahib pbuh married 9 year old. I mean if we look into historical history we will see that not only in Islam but in many other religions it was nothing wrong in those times. I mean even in Hinduism you will see Kings married youngsters. Those times and now is different, same thing we can say about slavery. Hinduism shows slavery in ancient era, but that is how the time was in those timings. Now a days, you won't see that.

The main point what we all should see, this includes muslims, sikhs, hindus, christians, buddhists, and all the religions, is that we all are one, and our main goal in this lifetime is to do good deeds, raise voice against injustice, and do justice for people who don't get justice. Respect each other's beliefs. In my area I seen some muslims attend Gurdwaras and when I see Sikhs and Muslims together lost in one-ness of God, seeing them is like seeing Jannat Heaven since it's peaceful and their voice of praying whether it be Guru Granth Sahib ji or Quran it reaches to that Al-mighty :)

Waheguru Ji Da Khalsa Waheguru Ji De Fateh.

Singh.

RajKareGaKhalsa, Bhai sb, Im muslim, and thinkg about converted to Sikism, or at least I believe int he philopshy of Hazrat Baba Nanak Sahib, im in toronto and if yur on TO to pls contact me ...--no email sharing--

[IbnShafiq]

RajKareGaKhalsa, Bhai sb, Im muslim, and thinkg about converted to Sikism, or at least I believe int he philopshy of Hazrat Baba Nanak Sahib, im in toronto and if yur on TO to pls contact me ...--no email sharing--



Can you elucidate on this philosophy?

[hugoman]

Can you elucidate on this philosophy?

im a punjabi(pakistan), i have done many hajjs, and I detest arabs, their racism, there rudeness, there vulgar arabic accent, and there colorless clothing, attitude, the way they handle blacks, its all backwards,
onetime i went to hajj and this punjabi old man after his hajj said to me, after seening all these arabs, "islam came for this arabs, not us(indians)" and his thought stuck to me, its made sense, I really cant stand arabs, and their baseless pride.

Baba Nanak birthday place is 30 mintues away from our relatives, and so i decided to visit and took my kids and wife, and i was moved, its was breathetaking, for the first time i felt nice inside spirtually. my children loved it too, the i study how the mughal haram zada auranzeb treated them, if there is one man i want to see on qayamant being punished is auranzeb, his nasalm offspring are the terriortst we see today.

[IbnShafiq]

As salamum 'ala man itab'a al Huda


im a punjabi(pakistan), i have done many hajjs, and I detest arabs, their racism, there rudeness, there vulgar arabic accent, and there colorless clothing, attitude, the way they handle blacks, its all backwards,
onetime i went to hajj and this punjabi old man after his hajj said to me, after seening all these arabs, "islam came for this arabs, not us(indians)" and his thought stuck to me, its made sense, I really cant stand arabs, and their baseless pride.

Hating the Arabs is not a reason to leave Islam. Rather than looking at the Arabs of our time you should look at the example of the Pride of the Arabs, Sayyiduna Muhammad :saw: and follow it.
It needs to be stated that racism, vulgarity and anti black prejudice, can be found amongst all peoples, Indians or Punjabis are not void of it. By the way, you sound like a racist!



Baba Nanak birthday place is 30 mintues away from our relatives, and so i decided to visit and took my kids and wife, and i was moved, its was breathetaking, for the first time i felt nice inside spirtually. my children loved it too, the i study how the mughal haram zada auranzeb treated them, if there is one man i want to see on qayamant being punished is auranzeb bastard tyrant, his nasalm offspring are the terriortst we see today.

Now this is nonsense, I asked you to elaborate on this philosophy that you have left Islam for! Instead you are talking about nice feelings and Muslim Kings. For one that has done many "hajjs" you would think you would now how to spell Qiyamah. What will happen to you on Qiyamah and what will happen to Aurangzeb :rahma:

Now please tell us what specially about Sikh Philosophy has caused your apostasy?

[huwa-noor]

[QUOTE=aaliyahkhan33;68067] salaamz sista..hpe u r wel.. :) I hav juz signd up on diz site, bcuz of readin ur stry! Lol very inspirin! I wud like to get 2 no u betr if datz ok? ALLaH hafiz... Xx

[Maripat]

[QUOTE=aaliyahkhan33;68067] salaamz sista..hpe u r wel.. :) I hav juz signd up on diz site, bcuz of readin ur stry! Lol very inspirin! I wud like to get 2 no u betr if datz ok? ALLaH hafiz... Xx
:salam:
Welcome to SF sister.
The original post is way back from 2005. The story is very touching and inspiring and we pray for her being firm on her deen but it is obvious that she is not visiting us. It will be nice to hear from her but Allah (SWT) has not willed that so far. All Praise is due to Him in every condition.

And please sister try to use conservative English.
Wassalam

[huwa-noor]

Salaaamz...oh right sorry I didn't know she don't visit the sight nomore... :( that's a shame...May ALLAH SWT continue guiding her through the right path... :) and am sorry you didn't like the way I right :( jazakALLAH for the welcome

[Maripat]

Salaaamz...oh right sorry I didn't know she don't visit the sight nomore... :( that's a shame...May ALLAH SWT continue guiding her through the right path... :) and am sorry you didn't like the way I right :( jazakALLAH for the welcome
:ws:
On the related side you might like to converse with sister Jameela Mehreen (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?73675-Introduction-My-name-is-Jameela-Mahreen&highlight=amna4) and Amna4 (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?73403-I-am-a-non-Muslim-looking-to-learn-more.-Please-help.&highlight=amna4) who have taken their momentous steps into Islam after coming here. (There are others too.)
Wassalam

[huwa-noor]

[QUOTE=hugoman;593682]salaamz..hi I just read your post,am sorry to burst your bubble but there's a whole load of difference from reading the sikh's holy book and reading the Qu'ran sharif..they both state different meaning and beliefs..so how can u say it don't matter which ever you read or follow??same applies to the religion you follow.

[huwa-noor]

[QUOTE=Maripat;646692...nooo I didn't mean am a revert..I was born a muslim..but I wernt practising..then alt happened in my life and alhamdulillah I started taking interest in my deen! :D am still a keen learner..would love it if anyone could help me learn more..

[Maripat]

nooo I didn't mean am a revert..I was born a muslim..but I wernt practising..then alt happened in my life and alhamdulillah I started taking interest in my deen! :D am still a keen learner..would love it if anyone could help me learn more..

:salam:
I understand sister. I also hobnob with reverts to rejuvenate my eemman.
Take care.
Wassalam

[huwa-noor]

[QUOTE=Maripat;646700] ye your right..it helps a lot..jazakALLAH... U take care..wslm

[hrmn]

I searched/Googled on net for Sikhs who converted to Islam but repeatedly found same old account Aaliyahkhan of 2005 on all forums , do any member know any other such revert/account .

[amr123]

I searched/Googled on net for Sikhs who converted to Islam but repeatedly found same old account Aaliyahkhan of 2005 on all forums , do any member know any other such revert/account .

I am not aware of any. But if you have doubts on Islam and want to learn more, please feel free to post here or in a new thread. :-)

Welcome to the forums.

[hrmn]

I am not aware of any. But if you have doubts on Islam and want to learn more, please feel free to post here or in a new thread. :-)

Welcome to the forums.

thanks amr ,


i want to know abt Afterlife in Islam :-)

[Maripat]

thanks amr ,
i want to know abt Afterlife in Islam :-)
Dear hrmn if you manage to save even little bit of faith in God while leaving this world then one day you'll end up in a Jannah ten times bigger then the earth-including seventy two houris.
Love

[amr123]

thanks amr ,


i want to know abt Afterlife in Islam :-)

I will give you a brief Idea about the Afterlife that Allah the Almighty has taught us in the Quran and Hadith.

1. At the time of Death
Allah the Almighty commands the Angel of Death to go take the 'Rooh' (roughly translated as soul) of a person at the time of Death.

-For Good people, The Angel of Death appears as a very handsome person and the Rooh(soul) is taken very pleasantly and the Good person feels almost nothing.
-For Bad people, the Angel of Death appears in a very horrifying form. The Rooh(soul) will be taken violently and painfully. (does not mean accidents or unnatural deaths. The pain is not necessarily apparent to others.)

2. After Burial in the grave
The Rooh(soul) is returned to the body. Then the person is questioned by two angels. If the person obeyed Allah and lived according to Islam he will be shown Heaven and will be free from punishment of the grave. For Bad people there is a painful torment in the grave.
These things are veiled for us to see, so even if we dig up the grave we won't be able to see these things.

-Good person:
So his soul is returned to his body and there come to him two angels who make him sit up and they say to him, ‘Who is your Lord?’ He says, ‘Allaah.’
They say, ‘What is your religion?’ He says, ‘My religion is Islam.’
They say, ‘Who is this man who was sent among you?’ He says, ‘He is the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).’
They say, ‘What did you do?’ He says, ‘I read the Book of Allaah and I believed in it.
Then a voice calls out from heaven, ‘My slave has spoken the truth, so prepare for him a bed from Paradise and clothe him from Paradise, and open for him a gate to Paradise.’
-Bad person:
Then his soul is returned to his body, and there come to him two angels who make him sit up and they say to him, ‘Who is your Lord?’ He says, ‘Oh, oh, I don’t know.’
They say, ‘What is your religion?’ He says, ‘Oh, oh, I don’t know.’
They will ask, 'Who was the man who was sent on a mission among you?' He will reply, 'Alas, alas! I do not know.'
Then a voice calls out from heaven, ‘Prepare for him a bed from Hell and clothe him from Hell, and open for him a gate to Hell.’



3. The Day of Resurrection:
At end of times Allah the almighty will destroy everything he created. Then He will Resurrect every living thing in congregation on a Plane. This is the Day of Resurrection. This is the day in which Allah will judge all the people by their good and bad deeds and also their intentions.

For Good people
-The Book which contain all deeds will be presented in the right hand
-The Reckoning will be light, their sins will be forgiven
-They will feel the Day of Resurrection as a short one
-They will enter Paradise and dwell there for eternity.

For Bad people
-The Book of deeds will be given on the left hand
-Their Reckoning will be detailed
-The day of Reckoning will be felt like a hundreds of years.
-They will be facing torment even before their deeds are being judged
-They will be tossed to the Hell fire for eternity.

Who will be judged as Good and Bad, Allah the Almighty alone knows.

What i have posted here is very brief explanation, for your ease of understanding. There are lots more of details. I can post a few lecture videos of scholars if you are more interested.

[hrmn]

Very interesting Account Amr

what i get is that the "Heaven and hell" in point 2 is not permanent .
and Heaven ,Hell after Day of resurrection is eternal permanent , ok ?

What if someone claim religion other than Islam and Prophet other than Mohammad in 2 ?


Maripat n Amr can you paste links from Quran and Hadith on this matter here where it describe heaven ,hell , size , 72 houris etc

thanks

[amr123]

Very interesting Account Amr

what i get is that the "Heaven and hell" in point 2 is not permanent .
Yes the punishment of the Grave is not permanent.


and Heaven ,Hell after Day of resurrection is eternal permanent , ok ?
True.


What if someone claim religion other than Islam and Prophet other than Mohammad in 2 ?

Basically disbelievers won't be able to answer the questioning in the grave, they will be at loss.


Maripat n Amr can you paste links from Quran and Hadith on this matter here where it describe heaven ,hell , size , 72 houris etc

thanks


Sure brother, i shall do that in a few minutes. The description is very extensive in the Quran and Hadith. I shall do what i can with my limited knowledge.

[amr123]

Hadith on Death and Questioning and punishment of the Grave:



It was narrated that al-Bara’ (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: We went out with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for the funeral of a man from among the Ansaar. We came to the grave and when (the deceased) was placed in the lahd, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sat down and we sat around him, as if there were birds on our heads (i.e., quiet and still). In his hand he had a stick with which he was scratching the ground.

Then he raised his head and said, “Seek refuge with Allaah from the torment of the grave”, two or three times. Then he said, “When the believing slave is about to depart this world and enter the Hereafter, there come down to him from heaven angels with white faces like the sun, and they sit around him as far as the eye can see. They bring with them shrouds from Paradise and perfumes from Paradise. Then the Angel of Death comes and sits by his head, and he says, ‘O good soul, come forth to forgiveness from Allaah and His pleasure.’ Then it comes out easily like a drop of water from the the mouth of a waterskin. When he seizes it, they do not leave it in his hand for an instant before they take it and put it in that shroud with that perfume, and there comes from it a fragrance like the finest musk on the face of the earth.

Then they ascend and they do not pass by any group of angels but they say, ‘Who is this good soul?’ and they say, ‘It is So and so the son of So and so, calling him by the best names by which he was known in this world, until they reach the lowest heaven. They ask for it to be opened to them and it is opened, and (the soul) is welcomed and accompanied to the next heaven by those who are closest to Allaah, until they reach the seventh heaven. Then Allaah says: ‘Record the book of My slave in ‘Illiyoon in the seventh heaven, and return him to the earth, for from it I created them, to it I will return them and from it I will bring them forth once again.’ So his soul is returned to his body and there come to him two angels who make him sit up and they say to him, ‘Who is your Lord?’ He says, ‘Allaah.’ They say, ‘What is your religion?’ He says, ‘My religion is Islam.’ They say, ‘Who is this man who was sent among you?’ He says, ‘He is the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).’ They say, ‘What did you do?’ He says, ‘I read the Book of Allaah and I believed in it.

'Then a voice calls out from heaven, ‘My slave has spoken the truth, so prepare for him a bed from Paradise and clothe him from Paradise, and open for him a gate to Paradise.’ Then there comes to him some of its fragrance, and his grave is made wide, as far as he can see. Then there comes to him a man with a handsome face and handsome clothes, and a good fragrance, who says, ‘Receive the glad tidings that will bring you joy this day.’ He says, ‘Who are you? Your face is a face which brings glad tidings.’ He says, ‘I am your righteous deeds.’ He says, ‘O Lord, hasten the Hour so that I may return to my family and my wealth.

’ But when the disbelieving slave is about to depart this world and enter the Hereafter, there come down to him from heaven angels with black faces, bringing sackcloth, and they sit around him as far as the eye can see. Then the Angel of Death comes and sits by his head, and he says, ‘O evil soul, come forth to the wrath of Allaah and His anger.’ Then his soul disperses inside his body, then comes out cutting the veins and nerves, like a skewer passing through wet wool. When he seizes it, they do not leave it in his hand for an instant before they take it and put it in that sackcloth, and there comes from it a stench like the foulest stench of a dead body on the face of the earth. Then they ascend and they do not pass by any group of angels but they say, ‘Who is this evil soul?’ and they say, ‘It is So and so the son of So and so, calling him by the worst names by which he was known in this world, until they reach the lowest heaven.

They ask for it to be opened to them and it is not opened.” Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recited (interpretation of the meaning):

“for them the gates of heaven will not be opened, and they will not enter Paradise until the camel goes through the eye of the needle” [Quran, al-A’raaf 7:40]

He said: “Then Allaah says, ‘Record the book of My slave in Sijjeen in the lowest earth, and return him to the earth, for from it I created them, to it I will return them and from it I will bring them forth once again.’ So his soul is cast down.” Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recited the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“and whoever assigns partners to Allaah, it is as if he had fallen from the sky, and the birds had snatched him, or the wind had thrown him to a far off place” [Quran, al-Hajj 22:31]

He said: “Then his soul is returned to his body, and there come to him two angels who make him sit up and they say to him, ‘Who is your Lord?’ He says, ‘Oh, oh, I don’t know.’ They say, ‘What is your religion?’ He says, ‘Oh, oh, I don’t know.’ Then a voice calls out from heaven, ‘Prepare for him a bed from Hell and clothe him from Hell, and open for him a gate to Hell.’ Then there comes to him some of its heat and hot winds, and his grave is constricted and compresses him until his ribs interlock. Then there comes to him a man with an ugly face and ugly clothes, and a foul stench, who says, ‘Receive the bad news, this is the day that you were promised.’ He says, ‘Who are you? Your face is a face which forebodes evil.’ He says, ‘I am your evil deeds.’ He says, ‘O Lord, do not let the Hour come, do not let the Hour come.’”

Narrated by Abu Dawood, 4753; Ahmad, 18063.

Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 1676.

[amr123]

:bism:

Description of Jannah (paradise):

The Verses from Quran and the Hadith regarding Paradise is quoted in the following website-
http://www.jannah.org/frontpage/jannah.html


Description of Hell:

A detailed description of Hell from the Quran and Hadith has been already posted in the forum here:
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?73982-Description-of-hell



Edit:
A detailed lecture on :
1. Death and Life after death: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAhgITGEObI
2. Day of Resurrection: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lQbMg_bLtM

[Maripat]

Dear hrmn,
Since amr123 has done the needful I'll try to take off from there. There is book by Maulana Aashiq Ilahi Bulandshahri (RA) called What Happens After Death. That will give you a comprehensive idea about your query. And also have a look at this blog (http://yeshmayin.wordpress.com/) where a sister called Pouring Rain (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1317935) here at SF is going through the Holy Qur'an. I'll suggest you to do the same. It will clarify a large number of points, Insha Allah.
Take Care

[mh16388]

Dear hrmn,
Since amr123 has done the needful I'll try to take off from there. There is book by Maulana Aashiq Ilahi Bulandshahri (RA) called What Happens After Death. That will give you a comprehensive idea about your query. And also have a look at this blog (http://yeshmayin.wordpress.com/) where a sister called Pouring Rain (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1317935) here at SF is going through the Holy Qur'an. I'll suggest you to do the same. It will clarify a large number of points, Insha Allah.
Take Care

aoa,

i had a look at that blog and i wouldnt send him over to that blog if i were you. he best stick to a scholar. if u have something froma scholar in this regard then do share please

[Maripat]

aoa,

i had a look at that blog and i wouldnt send him over to that blog if i were you. he best stick to a scholar. if u have something froma scholar in this regard then do share please
:ws:
Mh she is just making her journey and hrmn too has to make his journey. If he too starts a blog then people from here can chip in to clarify the matters for him. I am not asking him to learn Islam from her.
Wassalam

[mh16388]

:ws:
Mh she is just making her journey and hrmn too has to make his journey. If he too starts a blog then people from here can chip in to clarify the matters for him. I am not asking him to learn Islam from her.
Wassalam

oh
in all honesty i did not infer that from your prev post.

[Maripat]

oh
in all honesty i did not infer that from your prev post.
:salam:
Now we know that communication is not an easy thing!
Wassalam

[sikh123]

Hi,

All i want to say is that what you refer to as the Gods of Sikhism are actually Gurus (Teachers), so please get your facts right. Sikhish also does not teach to hate muslims it was just that some of the emperors when Sikhism was founded were bad people that killed and tortured Sikhs and Hindus. There are also good Muslims mentioned in the Guru Granth Sahib. But if you wanted to convert then that is your own opinion Sikhism is a peaceful religion that only uses the sword for those who are in need. So keep your misguided opinion to yourself.

[Maripat]

Hi,
All i want to say is that what you refer to as the Gods of Sikhism are actually Gurus (Teachers), so please get your facts right. Sikhish also does not teach to hate muslims it was just that some of the emperors when Sikhism was founded were bad people that killed and tortured Sikhs and Hindus. There are also good Muslims mentioned in the Guru Granth Sahib. But if you wanted to convert then that is your own opinion Sikhism is a peaceful religion that only uses the sword for those who are in need. So keep your misguided opinion to yourself.
If Sikhism is peaceful then Islam is more so because it does not make it mandatory to carry a kirpan and wear a kada (for self defense of course). I whole heartedly invite you to Islam.

[Abdullahii]

Mashalah tnx for sharing may Allah reward u

[Only1God]

This "revert" does know anything about Sikhism.

She is not even a good example of a Muslim.

I think she is most likely an atheist trying to stir trouble.

[Maripat]

This "revert" does know anything about Sikhism.

She is not even a good example of a Muslim.

I think she is most likely an atheist trying to stir trouble.
I suppose you are talking about worst case scenario - it is not the middle path.

[bhawleen singh]

thnx first of all she doesnt know anything bout sikhism she doesnt even know guru nanak was a hindu by birth not muslim plus sikhism doesnt hate islam we cant just hate muslims cuza there kings the first brick of the golden temple was layed by a muslim

[bhawleen singh]

ill die but wont change my religion and we use a weapon when no other choice is left and plus thousands of rulers died tryin to finish the sikh religion and you think well become a muslim and plus we sikhs are not allowed to tell someone to change their religion and come to ours

[Jinn]

ill die but wont change my religion and we use a weapon when no other choice is left and plus thousands of rulers died tryin to finish the sikh religion and you think well become a muslim and plus we sikhs are not allowed to tell someone to change their religion and come to ours

If Allah shows you the light then you will just like many of your brothers and sisters have done before you.

[Servant.of.Allah]

ill die but wont change my religion and we use a weapon when no other choice is left and plus thousands of rulers died tryin to finish the sikh religion and you think well become a muslim and plus we sikhs are not allowed to tell someone to change their religion and come to ours

MAsha Allah brother, May Allah make you a muslim and guide sikh community into success.
The one highlighted in bold may come true after you accept Islam.

[ILM_Sika]

ill die but wont change my religion and we use a weapon when no other choice is left and plus thousands of rulers died tryin to finish the sikh religion and you think well become a muslim and plus we sikhs are not allowed to tell someone to change their religion and come to ours

This was a good thread, but I don't like how people abuse the religion they come from, after they revert. This is not how Muslims should behave. It's not how our Beloved Prophet pbuh behaved, so we shouldn't either. You may say certain things you didn't agree with, but there is no way you should be-little using hateful words.

May Allaah swt guide those who He swt favours on the Haqq and bless Mankind with Hadaya. Ameen Ya Rabb

[bhawleen singh]

the sikh religion is a very modern and true religion. maanas ki jaat sabeh eko pehchanbo, means sab insaanan nu ik rab dee olaad karke jaano na ki apne aap nu ucha das ke te dujeyan nu niwan das ke world wich discontentment faelao, if the whole world reads and obeys the Guru Granth Sahib then there would be peace everywhere.sikh religion is very pure and peaceful religion it doesnt force others to change their religion.

Sikhs dont disrespect other religions and neither do they let others to say something bout their religion. now stop writing about other religions and go study ur own religion

[bhawleen singh]

u wanna know wat my sikh brothers and sisters have done k then lemme tell u, bhai taru singh ji he got skull ripped apart but didnt let the mughal emperor touch his hair , bhai shabaz singh ji ( a 14 yrs old kid) he got tortured by ur previous emperors so badly that he couldn't move a bone but still noooo he didnt change his religion, our beloved tenth prophet Guru Gobind Singh Ji his 7&10 ten yr old sons they were given thousands of chances to accept Islam by aurengzeb so they were bricked in an airtight wall but still didnt change their religion and hundred and thousands of more stories how many shld i tell u go search google ull get thousands of more exples

[Maripat]

u wanna know wat my sikh brothers and sisters have done k then lemme tell u, bhai taru singh ji he got skull ripped apart but didnt let the mughal emperor touch his hair , bhai shabaz singh ji ( a 14 yrs old kid) he got tortured by ur previous emperors so badly that he couldn't move a bone but still noooo he didnt change his religion, our beloved tenth prophet Guru Gobind Singh Ji his 7&10 ten yr old sons they were given thousands of chances to accept Islam by aurengzeb so they were bricked in an airtight wall but still didnt change their religion and hundred and thousands of more stories how many shld i tell u go search google ull get thousands of more exples
Tell me a religion that does not have stories of sacrifices made by its followers?

[bhawleen singh]

well one of ur muslim brother was telling me to do what that girl did ( accept islam) and he thought she was a very good exp so i just wanted to tell him that if one sikh dies in our religion many are also born.

[Maripat]

well one of ur muslim brother was telling me to do what that girl did ( accept islam) and he thought she was a very good exp so i just wanted to tell him that if one sikh dies in our religion many are also born.
Indeed you are cordially invited to Islam.
Khushwant Singh, author of two volume History of Sikhs, asserted that Sikhism is closer to Islam than Hinduism.
In view of this you are already closer to Islam.

[bhawleen singh]

yeah but we're not the same so stop asking me for things which i possibly cant do

[Maripat]

yeah but we're not the same so stop asking me for things which i possibly cant do
It is absolutely possible because it is voluntary.

[samy.3660]

yeah but we're not the same so stop asking me for things which i possibly cant do

bhawleen singhji, I know of a brother who reverted to Islam from sikhism, if you want I will try to get you in contact with him.

[Umair Iqbal]

MASHA'ALLAH....you have been shown the right path by ALMIGHTY ALLAH ALHAMDULILALLAH...stay blessed and . MAY ALLAH give you more strength and courage.(AMEEN)

[Umair Iqbal]

brother just start research and do questioning about your beleive. You yourself will discover the fact.Its up to you.

[manoffaith]

hey!!
i jus read this post and i was wondering if i could talk about it from my point of view, as for myself, m a man without faith and looking for faith, and in the conquest have read many different philosophical ideologies and religions of which sikhism is one.

i am just goin to say about the bulleted points that you ewre talkin about with respect
i wont comment on the first one, cuz it seems like u never actualy followed the religion and u were taught somethings possibly by your parents and thats all, if thats the case i am really sorry for u, if not then i m scared for u, dont take it in a wrong way. i have read the whole thing and i would say its written with certain hatred and a lot of disrespect, but i cud b wrong

2) Sikhism is confused about believing in one god

Guru Nanak Dev Ji was the one who said ik onkar (there is 1 god). But Asking my parents and varoius Baba's at the gudwara and even discovering it myself. that in fact Ik onkar means all the guru's are one. Maybe Guru Nanak did mean there is one god but afterwards something happened along the way?

Well ik onkar does mean one god, and it never meant all guru's are one, its a monotheistic religion, and you might have confused yourself with the term unity of god, very commonly known sikh philosophy which really means, the supreme reality is that all different gods that everybody in this huge universe pray and might pray to, is one
its kinda clear cut to me, and i would rather say that sikhism is not confused about what it believes.
ps: even if you were right, your argument still wud have beenwrong because you were confused what it meant, not the religion

3) Guru Nanak was a muslim!!

Guru Nanak's chola which is kept by a chosen Gursikh family has in arabic the words written on it La illa ilallah muhhamdur rusool allah. It is said he gave it to his followers. There are pictures of it on the internet if you think I am lying. He went to mecca medina which everybody knows.

If u are a muslim u very well know no non-muslims are aloud there. It's strictly for believers only. There is story which says Guru Nanak was sleeping with his feet towards the Kabbah when he arrived at mecca and a man asked him to move his feet. when the man would turn the feet of Guru Nanak his feet would go back in the same place facing the Kabbah. And supposably the man was shocked and thought Guru Nanak was a saint.

This story cann't make sense at all!!
First off If that were true and Nanak had his feet in the direction of the kabbah they would have killed him no questions asked. Its tottal disrespect, and besides why would he come all that way to do hajj and then disrespect it like that. It just makes no sense.

Mecca is an extremly religious place u can't just expect to do that and nothing happen to you. If guru Nanak thought the Kabbah was nothing then he would not have made the trouble to do pilgrimage there. If he claims there is no hindu no muslims why did he go perform hajj.

When you perform Hajj your very lucky if you get some string from the Kabbah which he did and those very strings are in a gudwara in India. I've seen them for myself.

First of all he was not muslim, his father was a Khatri by caste of the Bedi clan, he served as the patwari (accountant) of crop revenue for the village of Talwandi in the employment of a Muslim landlord of that area, Rai Bular Bhatti.[2] Guru Nanak’s mother was Tripta Devi and he had one elder sister, Bebe Nanaki who became a spiritual figure in her own right.
ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥ ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥
“I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim. My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||”
(Ang 1136)
and thats why both hindu and religion were his followers.

My personal argument, He dressed as a Fakeer so as not to be thought a novice and thus excluded from religious discussions of the Muslims Fakeers of the time. Moreover wearing a Fakeer’s dress does not necessarily make one Muslim.

The assertion that non-Muslims cannot infiltrate Mecca is false. The city of Mecca was not developed during the time of the Guru. It was a vast desert land and people could commute freely unlike now. Only until recently Saudi Arabia has become rich with the oil money and developed as a result.

Guru Nanak Sahib Ji was neither the first nor the last non-Muslim to visit or infiltrate Mecca. The most famous incident of a non-Muslim visiting Mecca was the visit by the British explorer Sir Richard Burton in 1853. Burton disguised himself as an Afghani Muslim to visit and write Personal Narrative of a Pilgrimage to Al Madinah and Mecca. Therefore, how can it be impossible for Guru Nanak Sahib Ji, who is ‘Akaal Roop’, the embodiment of the Divine Light of God, to visit Mecca? The who land belongs to God, so how can the Living Image of God, Guru Nanak Sahib Ji be stopped traveling anywhere in the world. God or God’s power cannot be limited.

Guru sahib dressed as a Fakeer, holy man, which meant a chola of khuddar (rough low grade material) and a pair of wooden sandals with his companion Baba Mardana Ji, who was from a Muslim background, infiltrated the city of Mecca.

And he wrote as is recorded:
ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥
ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥ ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥
"I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines. I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2|| I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers. I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||”
(Ang 1136)
ANd lastly, he did not go to Kaa'ba, Guru Nanak Sahib Ji is recorded to have visited Mecca not the Kaa’ba. The one thing clear from the historical evidence is that he visited Mecca with his companion, Baba Mardana Ji, who was from a Muslim background. They stayed somewhere probably in a nearby village or town. Pilgrims do not stay in the Kaa’ba. They stay outside the holy shrine area in villages, towns or tents. It is also clear from the evidence that Guru Sahib is recorded as having slept with his feet ‘towards’ the Kaa’ba. If Guru Sahib were sleeping inside or nearby the Kaa’ba (which is not possible when millions visit it), there would not have been the account that we read today.
PS: the story u told was slightly faulty, please check

4) Guru Amar Das changed things

Its believed by many that he changed alot of guru Nanaks writings around and or added his own thing in.

The thing is that they all were scholars, and they wrote literature and so much stuff, Guru Amar Das started compiling them and he wrote himself and no record was ever found that he changed the writings of others, please provide citing or evidence.

5) Why is it all the sikh gods died?

Your premise is wrong
There is no Sikh god, they were teachers and humans who were really hard to understand beacuase of their smartness and so many wualities, i never saw them myself, but i assume they were preached because of their wisdom, and asking the question why they die, is jus ridiculous, tell me one person ho never died.

6) Sikhism and Hinduism very alike

For those who do not already know the geeta has very digusting things in it, hindu's don't like to admit it but Kama sutra is considered religious text. Hindu's are idol worshipers. There are stories of their gods jerking off we dont need to get into detail. Guru Granth praises the Hindu gods, talks about them.

Why is this that the guru granth can even have these idol gods and perverted gods in a sikh book. There are passages that talk about hinduism and thier gods and their worships basically not denoucing it saying it too is a way of worship

Also my mom told me That there was this hindu god I dunno her name she had a small mandir and there was a big gudwara next to it, she said to one of the guru's. Ur temple is so big nobody will come to my mandir it is so small. From that day forth guru said to her from now on for those who come to worship at this temple have to first go to the mandir and pray there.

Sikhs in india actually do that today and even have this godesses picture in thier house its the one with the multiple arms.

No Comments, thats ur thinkin that hinduism is perverted, nobody can do anythin about that, jus read some gita by urself

7) Sikhs believe all religons is a way to god

If this is so then why were the guru's so against islam. I mean wasn't it them wou said follow whatever they are all the path to god? Then why is it that sikhs don't allow to cut hair and eat meat and others fiaths allow it but they still can go to god? Hmm i dunno sounds like somebody got confused.

This actually gives it more credibility, social phsycology studies hav told that people believe theur cultural teachigs are true, which makes all of them true if yours is true, as they hav the same right as u, which makes evrything falls because many religions say that only their religion is right, hence ones religion is false, every one is, but insikhism it says that every religion is right as they all follow god, as long as they are peaceful, which seems to fit in, contrary it is good contrary to what you estimated

8) Behavior at Amritsar
Amritsar is the holliest sikh place. Why would god allow it to be attacked the way it was have women being gang-raped. Children killed men murdered. The Guru granth urinated on and set on fire? Also i have heard this from so many sikh ladies when they go to amritsar men will walk by and grab their private parts walk away as though nothing happened. This is suppose to be a holly place and this kind of stuff happens i feel more safer in my house. Its sickening that men will do this, I cannot understand why god would allow this to happen? Sexuall assult at a holy sikh temple ... DISGUSTING

people do ****ed up ****, are u tellin me that people of religion were killed, tortured and raped, and its the religion at fault, rather than people who killed them, islamic war lords killed so many hindus, and sikhs by the way, u must b ashamed to hav said such inhumane thing


9)Guru's lies

The guru's say that all religons lead to the path of god. If this is so why is it if your not amrit shak (baptized sikh) and did not lead a good life you don't go to heaven, in fact you are re-incarnated and this is an ongoing cycle until u become amrit shak and lead a good life!! So whats with the contradictions. No religon is perfect if so thing contradict with other then they are not the words of god.

well, u have been really so disrespectfull throughout this whole thing, ayways, jus pointin that out. The philosohpical studies are must in your case, sikh philosophy says that if u dont do good with your life and you have sinned all the time, you willbe bound in the circle of reincarnations, but when u ll be able to clean yourself, wen u ll understand what is good and bad and enlightened by wisdom, u wont go to heaven or hell but to recide in sac khand, which is close to god and become one with him, which we were in the starting, infact it doesnt have the horrible and inhumane idea of eteranal tortue and suffereing in hell, as the one you hold.

i would love anyone to reply and come up for a conversation, and would accept anything wrong that people thing i wrote, so we could talk about it and get to the truth