View Full Version : Hizb ut-Tahrir currently not banned - so why ban certain Threads?
12-08-2005, 10:27 AM
As far as i know, the islamic political group Hizb ut-Tahrir are not banned in The USA, Canada or the UK.
So why have threads discussing the party been locked on SF?
If current affairs like the 'Proposed ban on HT in the UK' cannot be discussed in the 'Current Affairs' forum, then what is the point of that forum?
And surely SF is a good place for muslims to discuss thoughts and groupings within their community.
The reason given by user "Live for Islam" is not accurate.
Please provide a better reason.
12-08-2005, 10:43 AM
good job bro i agree if it hasnt been banned no reason to suspend discussion
12-08-2005, 01:28 PM
With all due respect, shouldnt there be a better reason for banning HT discussions? I personally found it very valuable to learn how they deviated in terms of not just methodology, but aqeeda even.
But they're a political party. Politics is a touchy issue. There are loads of groups and parties that we dont agree with.... is SF gonna ban them all?
The ban proposed by Blair is, as noted above, only a proposal at this point in time. I've seen some pretty good counter-reasons on why HT should remain un-banned in the UK, primarily because they allow for a non-violent means of expressing dissatisfaction (albeit, I find that a majority of their members -that I've come into contact with- could use a few lessons in adab). But if the threads are banned (censored?) due to this minor controversy, then whats the point of a Current Events section?
And in regards to them being a blip on SF for the *authorities* to use as an excuse for HT breeding ...
1. HT hasnt been banned in North America (yet)
2. Even with the Patriot Act/ Canadian equivalent, you usually need quite a few posts by several hot-headed members encouraging HT-style activity to use as evidence. Admittedly, I havent checked the HT related threads in quite some time, but my last impression was that they were anything but a recruiting pool...
Live for Islam
12-08-2005, 01:34 PM
Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullah,
Sunniforum.com Shura have collectively decided to ban any discussion of the group 'Hizb ut Tahrir' on our forums. We will not allow our forums to be used as a means of propagating, glorifying, praising any such group which has been or is in the process of being banned in the UK, US or Canada. Sunniforum.com reserves the right to ban and lock any discussion threads, which could potentially cause harm or possible closure to sunniforum.com. We appreciate your cooperation and understanding and hope that our members will happily comply with our rules.
The new rule has been added to our sunniforum.com posting restriction rules (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13) and is being posted on HT threads so our members can get the general idea of which discussions are not tolerated on sunniforum.
We hope the above answers your concerns.
Live for Islam
12-08-2005, 04:16 PM
In the UK i believe, the newspaper "Dharb-e-Momin" is regarded as 'Terrorist material' by the Authorities.
So will the Thread on this in the General section now also be locked?
Yes, thread now locked. :jazak: for bringing it to our attention.
Also how about the discussions that have taken place regarding polygamy?
In the UK, polygamy is apparently illegal.
I'm pretty sure discussing polygamy is not going to result to the closure of Sunniforum.com. Come on people, let's be realistic. Don't make things even more difficult for sunniforum.com Management.
13-08-2005, 05:08 PM
Don't make things even more difficult for sunniforum.com Management.
That's what i keep telling people on here.
Oh well, we can but try.
13-08-2005, 05:55 PM
i personally have no problem with the banning of the aforementioned group being discussed in this forum. that is at the discretion of the forum and anyone who wants to learn about the traditional standpoint on HT and their opinions can simply search the archives. there is plenty of info in them.
at the same time, i also disagree with the proposed legal ban of the party in the UK, not because i support the party (which is quite obvious from all my posts), but because i believe it will lead to a slippery slope such that any muslim who speaks out against injustice will be labelled an 'extremist' or 'inciting hatred'.
i think it is total hypocrisy that the government can ban this party, and not ban the BNP.
even if we look at it from another perspective, and believe that HT really does mislead our youth, and is a stepping stone to more extremist ideologies; i still think it shouldn't be banned. it is our duty to confront these ideologies, and bring our youth back to 'traditional' islam. the mere existence of HT is proof of a percieved void on our part. unless we fill this void, HT will proliferate, regardless of ban or no ban.
as for banning them on the basis that they lead muslims to more extremists tendencies, i have seen this happen when HT members split with the main body and followed OBM. i also have seen more recently muslims abandon HT for the jihadi-salafiyya. but i have also seen plenty of muslims who have abandoned HT for traditional islam and sufism. so i don't think this reason is sufficient. some people are just destined to go down that road. even if you bring them a million proofs that what they do is wrong, they have attachment to their ideology. its very difficult to debate with muslims who really believe that islam is a religion of violence, and our prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) is a prophet of terror not mercy. although we still must try and convince them out of this mess.
my advice to ht members is to sit with traditional scholars, get yoursevles out of this group mentality, and study all 3 aspects of islam in equal proportion: iman, islam, and ihsan - not just iman and islam.
from discussions with many brothers about this, i also believe its high time we start realising the faults and mistakes of our own, rather than being tribal and supporting muslims when they are clearly wrong.
"Verily Allah does not change the condition of a people until they change what is in their own selves" [Qur'an 13:11]
16-08-2005, 08:28 AM
I suppose the moderators of this Forum can do as they please and fair play to them. But I think you jumped the gun a bit. Merely by discussing groups like HT it doesn't mean we are glorifying them. I searched and searched all those posts I sure didn't see any comment "glorifying" them. This highlights an interesting point we muslims are suffering from, paranoia denial?. Being silent on a subject doesn't mean the problem will go away. Currently in the UK very few muslims are speaking out about the London bombings, much is down to the fear factor. But is keeping quiet going to really help matters?
So I despise the KKK but just bringing them up as subject matter doesn't mean I'm glorifying them.
Out of sight but not out of mind.
And before you remind me again yes you guys rules the show so tough. :rolleyes:
16-08-2005, 09:25 AM
Discussing HT has been banned? But, as mentioned above, HT has not been banned in the UK yet. Even if they were banned then perhaps a ban of posting their official literature or "glorifying" them as opposed to discussing the beliefs and practices of the party may be more appropriate?
Please don't take this personally - just a suggestion :)
Mossy, what is your view regarding what I've mentioned?
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