who more knowledgeable (Al-Albani / Taqi Usmani)

[muh123]

assalamu alakum,

This is a no brainer. Who is more knowledgeable.

Thanks

[Mossy]

Mufti Taqi Usmani as Sh al-Albani has passed away.

Is there any real point to this query? Knowledge is impossible to quantify.

[godilali]

Clearly Albani, but that does not mean he was on the Haq.

[godilali]

You could also ask who was more knowledgeable, Maulana Anwar Shah Kashmiri or Albani. Maulana Luckhnawi or Albani? Sh. Ahmad Raza Khan or Albani? Sh. Badrudin al Hasani or Albani? The formers were more knowledgable. Knowledge is not an assurance of guidance or correctness.

[Sunni_Student786]

In what sense was Al Albani more knowledgeable that Mufti Taqi Usmani when it came to fiqh or the field of hadith?

If he was more knowledgeable, of what did this knowledge consist that still led him to hold the many novel views that he had and to belong to, in all but name, the "Salafi minhaj"?

I'm a bit confused about as to how this could be. If explain this seeming paradox, it would be appreciated.

[godilali]

As far as I know, Albani started off as a Hanafi scholar, and studied the madhab under his father. He later began the study of Hadith, and preferred the "Ahlul Hadith" style fiqh over the Hanafi madhab. Hence, the whole anti-taqleed / " that is a weaker opinion" mindset. Needless to say, he studied and analyzed scores and scores of ahadith over his lifetime. Even though he is only excepted as an authority by Salafis and other ghayr muqallidin, and rejected by others, his knowledge was still immense, though he may have applied / interpreted it incorrectly.

[Hamood]

Clearly Albani,

:rolleyes:



but that does not mean he was on the Haq.

No he was not.

[tazkiyyah]

Depends in what field.
If you mean Fiqh...and to use usul to derive rulings on complex issues...I would say Mufti Taqi.

If you mean having memorised various sanads, then albani.

But you have to look at what a person's field is.

A better question would be who is more knowledgeable,yusuf jaunpuri or albani, and I think the deobandis would say shaykh Yusuf Jaunpuri...who didnt marry but has dedicated his life to hadeeth

[muh123]

The question was "who more knowledgeable (Al-Albani / Taqi Usmani)" nothing else

the only expected answers are Al-Albani / Taqi Usmani.

[tazkiyyah]

The question doesnt make sense
Its like saying who was better da vinci or einstein

One was an artist the other a physicist.

[abdul shafi'i]

As-salamu alaykum

i dont mean to offend any1 when i say this but how can you say albani is more knowledgeable than Usmani.Usmani was a hafiz in Quran and im saying it again albani was not given ijaza from any scholar if.he was then tell us by who.albani taught himself hadith and yes he has made many errors in classifing hadiths that were already agreed upon by other hadith scholars who study that field.and everything about it.he went against the ijma of the community on many issues.for example he states that women
can not wear gold now we all know that muslim women can wear gold
the Prophet[saw].stated this in many hadiths.and can you provide albanis fathers name please.i dont even know why this question was asked.shukran

[muminah]

Depends in what field.
If you mean Fiqh...and to use usul to derive rulings on complex issues...I would say Mufti Taqi.

If you mean having memorised various sanads, then albani.

But you have to look at what a person's field is.

A better question would be who is more knowledgeable,yusuf jaunpuri or albani, and I think the deobandis would say shaykh Yusuf Jaunpuri...who didnt marry but has dedicated his life to hadeeth

whose yusuf Jaunpuri? You mean Yunus Jaunpuri? Shaykh Yunus is a big fan of Shaykh Albaani (and he is entitled to his own opinion)

[muminah]

The truth is only Allaah knows who has more knowledge. And I hope this thread will be deleted. It is not in our capacity to judge who has the most knowledge.

[tazkiyyah]

I meant Shaykh Yunus ...Na'am

Is it true that shaykh Yunus said imam bukhar afqah min abee haneefa?

[Yusuf]

I meant Shaykh Yunus ...Na'am

Is it true that shaykh Yunus said imam bukhar afqah min abee haneefa?

How cant it be? Imam Zahid al-Kawthari was of the opinion that Imam Bukhari was a hanafi, in his early stages. Many were of the opinion that he was shafi'i- so if he's still bound by taqleed how could he have been afqah than a mujtahid mutlaq?

oops, forgot to mention- Shaykh Gibril Haddad says, "In reality al-Bukhari is a mujtahid mutlaq with his own madhab which did not survive him as he was uninterested in other than his sahih for his school, and the sahih is truly a complex and concise fiqh manual."

[Abu Suliman]

whose yusuf Jaunpuri? You mean Yunus Jaunpuri? Shaykh Yunus is a big fan of Shaykh Albaani (and he is entitled to his own opinion)

It is Shaykh Yunas Saharanpuri not jaunpuri.

[Muhammad al-Ayyub]

The question was "who more knowledgeable (Al-Albani / Taqi Usmani)" nothing else

the only expected answers are Al-Albani / Taqi Usmani.


try to read a book called al-bani and freinds it should tell u

[Sunni_Student786]

whose yusuf Jaunpuri? You mean Yunus Jaunpuri? Shaykh Yunus is a big fan of Shaykh Albaani (and he is entitled to his own opinion)

Is it true that Shaykh Yunus is a fan of Al Albaani? If so, where has this been documented?

[Muawiyah]

Maulana Yunus saharanpuri has been described as mutafarriq and mutashaddid

[Sunni_Student786]

Maulana Yunus saharanpuri has been described as mutafarriq and mutashaddid

Bro Muawiyah,

Please excuse my ignorance, but what do "mutafarriq" and "mutashaddid" mean?

[Muawiyah]

i mean his *views* have been described as mutafarriq (in this case it means they differ radically from the majority opinion) and extreme

[tazkiyyah]

Are you sure sidi?
I thought he's the student of mawlana zakariyya khandalwi(Alayhi Rahmah) and one of the teachers of shaykh riyadh ul haq
And The UK deobandis dont have a prob with him...

[Muawiyah]

most `ulama here don't have a problem with him either, they just point out that he holds many opinions that diverge from those of the majority ahnaf.

[Muawiyah]

i've no idea

[Abu Suliman]

most `ulama here don't have a problem with him either, they just point out that he holds many opinions that diverge from those of the majority ahnaf.

I dont know what differances the shaykh has with majority but if he does Alhumdulilah, we should not have any ill thoughts towards him he is a great scholar and he has evey right to have differance because of hes knowledge.

[muminah]

It is Shaykh Yunas Saharanpuri not jaunpuri.

No, in reality he is jaunpuri as he was born in Jaunpur, India. However he has lived most of his life in Saharanpur, so yes you may call him saharanpuri.

[muminah]

Maulana Yunus saharanpuri has been described as mutafarriq and mutashaddid

described by who? As it seems that is not your opinion as you didn't back it up?

[Muawiyah]

No, it's not my personal opinion, since I don't know what his divergent positions are, i'm just repeating what `ulama have said. i'd rather not go into who exactly said what. You don't disagree that he holds divergent opinions from the majority of the ahnaf, do you?

[muminah]

As far as I know:

In relation to 'aqeedah he follows the salaf as-saaliheen.

In terms of fiqh, I wouldn't say he is divergent. However, he is very blunt and if he finds that some mas'alah isn't from the sunnah or the ahnaaf's (or in that case any other madh-hab) position in a particular mas'alah in relation to the hadeeth (as he is a great muhaddith) is weak, he will say so and will thus personally not follow the ahnaaf in that particular mas'alah, which ofcourse conforms with the famous saying of al-Imaam Abu Haneefah (rahimahullaah):

"When I say something contradicting the Book of Allaah the Exalted or what is narrated from the Messenger (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), then ignore my saying."

[muminah]

Are you sure sidi?
...

What does sidi mean? Is it like saying molvi in urdu? What language is it?

Brother Mu'awiyah, I hope im not being rude, but could you please kindly tell me where you have studied and so forth and under which scholars?

[words]

What does sidi mean? Is it like saying molvi in urdu? What language is it?



Shortened version of "Sayyidi", meaning "my master". It is a sign of respect used in the Arab world - possibly the english equivalent would be "sir".

wallahu 'alam

[Muawiyah]

sis muminah, i've only sat in duroos which are open for everyone except that for a brief time many years ago when I took lessons from ghayr muqallid maulvi sahib

[tazkiyyah]

Okay...Alhamdulillah

i understand that if you do have a lot of knowledge of hadeeth and also intense familiarity with the tools of ijtihaad , then its allowed to take different positions.