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KEUNIT
26-08-2005, 03:45 PM
A Letter From Satan



I saw you yesterday as you began your daily chores. You awoke without stopping to pray.

As a matter of fact, you didn't even bless your meals, or pray before going to bed last night. You are so unthankful, I like that about you. I cannot tell you how glad I am that you have not changed your way of living, Fool, you are mine.

Remember, you and I have been going steady for years, and I still don't love you yet. As a matter of fact, I hate you, because I hate God. I am only using you to get even with God. He kicked me out of heaven, and I'm going to use you as long as possible to pay him back. You see, Fool, GOD LOVES YOU and HE has great plans in store for you. But you have yielded your life to me and I'm going to make your life a living hell. That way we'll be together twice. This will really hurt God. Thanks to you.

I'm really showing Him who's boss in your life. With all of the good times we've had .. We have been watching dirty movies, cursing people, out partying, stealing, lying, being hypocritical, indulging in fornication, overeating, telling dirty jokes, gossiping, back stabbing people, disrespecting adults and those in leadership position, NO respect for the mosque, bad attitudes: SURELY you don't want to give all this up.

Come on, Fool, let's burn together forever. I've got some hot plans for us. This is just a letter of appreciation from me to you. I'd like to say "THANKS" for letting me use you for most of your foolish life. You are so gullible, I laugh at you. When you are tempted to sin, you give in HA HA HA, you make me sick. Sin is beginning to take its toll on your life. You look 20 years older, I need new blood. So go ahead and teach some children how to sin.

All you have to do is smoke, drink alcoholic beverages, cheat, gamble, gossip, fornicate, and listen to and dance to the top 10 jams. Do all of this in the presence of children and they will do it too. Kids are like that. Well, Fool, I have to let you go for now. I'll be back in a couple of seconds to tempt you again. If you were smart, you would run somewhere, confess your sins, ask forgiveness from Him, live for God with what little bit of life that you have left. It's not my nature to warn anyone, but to be your age and still sinning, it's becoming a bit ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I still hate you...... IT'S JUST THAT YOU'D MAKE A BETTER FOOL FOR GOD.

* So REMEMBER :

Quran [14:22] : " And Satan will say when the matter is decided ( The Disbelievers entered the hell ) : "It was Allah Who gave you a promise of Truth: I too promised, but I failed in my promise to you. I had no authority over you except to call you but ye listened to me: then reproach not me, but reproach your own souls. I cannot listen to your cries, nor can ye listen to mine. I reject your former act in associating me with Allah. For wrong-doers there must be a grievous penalty."

From: IslamWay
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Commentary: Wow I really liked this letter and now I even dislike Shaitan even more. It's such a good article I really think that every has to have a chance to read it and learn how Shaitan uses us in doing sins and bad deeds in this world.

/EDIT: Oh man, I put this in the Muslim Youth Section when it should be in the Inspirational Stories section. My bad. I don't think it matters though.

Noor ul Islam
03-09-2005, 06:36 PM
AssalaamuAlaikum
I wish my son could read this letter. Pls pray for his haddayah. Wassalaam

Paint Me As I Am
16-09-2005, 07:50 PM
True, If we don't pray we set our selves up for temptaion and the price of that is Hell.. Praying always that Allah will always keep my in safe guard and to have a good living testamony before all others. and for sure that my children come to know my creator as i have.. plz. pray for them since i am the only one who is revert to Islam in my family and i want them all to have the same wonderful life in the after life.

Jannah

flowerpower
18-09-2005, 02:37 AM
its wrong to put fear in your children, it's a disgrace writing things like that and horrible to show it to young kids. Putting the fear and wrath in God presents God to be a tyrant and not God's true colours.

Be careful

Muawiyah
18-09-2005, 11:16 AM
fearing God is one of the necessary parts of Eman

flowerpower
18-09-2005, 01:33 PM
God should be loved and not feared.

Following Islam out of fear is not faith but fear.

Following Islam out of love is part of faith

Kareem
20-09-2005, 12:18 PM
God should be loved and not feared.

Following Islam out of fear is not faith but fear.

Following Islam out of love is part of faith
fear of God is nessecary. one can fear and at the same time love God. both are nessecary.

flowerpower
21-09-2005, 01:34 AM
no it is not necessary.

it's like fear is necessary for a child to behave to his father when it is LOVE and RESPECT that promotes goodness.

A good Muslim or Christian is one who LOVES God to be a good Muslim/Christian and not a 'good' Muslim/Christian out of fear of God

Haamilul Qur'aan
21-09-2005, 01:38 AM
no it is not necessary.
Yes, it is.


Ghazali (rahmatullahi `alayhi) says: ‘Fear rips away desires and muddens luxuries so that cherished sins become reprehensible, just as a honey lover is repelled by it when he learns that it has poison in it. This is how fear burns desires; disciplines the organs; subordinates the heart and gives it tranquility. It also enables the heart to rid itself of pride, hatred, and envy; and it leaves it absorbed in it (fear). Hence, the heart becomes preoccupied with its own worries and looks towards its best interest in the long run. It is then engaged in only matters like meditation, self-analysis and struggle. It cherishes its time and moments.’

[Ihya: 4/160]

flowerpower
21-09-2005, 01:47 AM
Yes, it is.

no it isnt.

are you unable to disagree with a statement whilst also making reference to it.

i shall make it simple for you now:

do you believe that somebody who has LOVE for God and no fear for God would be a better Muslim then one who exclusively fears God but does not love?

i thought not, therefore fear is not acceptable and is only useful for those who are weak willed amongst us,

and back to the original point, making children fearful of religion is digusting and only makes their faith distorted the majority of the time.

Haamilul Qur'aan
21-09-2005, 02:35 AM
Why are your posts always filled with sarcasm?

Back to the discussion, fearing Allah and loving Allah are both necessary. One cannot only fear Allah and not love Him, and one cannot only love Allah and not fear Him.

To give you a basic example, imagine you are driving in your car, going way above the speed limit. You see a cop parked on the side of the road. What do you do? It is inevitable; you hit the brakes. Why? Because you fear you might get a ticket. However, at the same time, people love cops, in the sense that they 'serve and protect' (even though the Sole Protector is Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala), and they help catch the 'bad guys'.

The same goes with parenting. In order for a child to be obedient, he must be aware of punishments/consquences if he/she does something wrong. If he knows that writing on the wall with crayons is something that he's not supposed to do, he must recieve punishment by having a time-out (or some other form). Does this mean he must always fear his parents? Of course not! His parents play with him, hug him, read him a bedtime story, tuck him in, buy him sweets (on occasion) at the corner shop and take him to the park. Does this not mean that he also loves his parents?

The fear of punishment by doing something bad must be instilled in a person. So too, will the automatic love appear in a person, when he/she carries out good deeds/follow the 'Law'.

Anyway, the whole point I'm trying to make with all of the above is that love and fear must exist together.

flowerpower
21-09-2005, 02:39 AM
i agree with what you have said there but dont agree with your comparison with God to the police.

i am a good person and have strong faith in God out of love for God and not thinking oh no if i dont believe or follow a faith i'll go to hell - that imo is possibly as bad as not being a believer.

sarcasm is my last resort

Haamilul Qur'aan
21-09-2005, 02:46 AM
i agree with what you have said there but dont agree with your comparison with God to the police.
I'm sorry; I did not mean for it appear that I was comparing the cops with Allah (Astaghfirullah); I was merely just giving an example of how love/fear exists among people.


i am a good person and have strong faith in God out of love for God and not thinking oh no if i dont believe or follow a faith i'll go to hell - that imo is possibly as bad as not being a believer.
I am sure you are a good person and your faith in God is between you and Him.

It is the wrong actions that we do that make us fear that we will go to Hell. However, we think of the things that will happen if we do something good, and automatically we strive to do that and abstain from the bad. (Hope that made sense; I'm poor with words.)


sarcasm is my last resort
My humble advice (even though it probably doesn't amount to much): it would be much easier (and pleasant) for members to discuss with you if the sarcasm was left out, God willing. That way, everything won't turn into a battle of sarcasm, or one person trying to see who can put down/'diss' the other person better.

Liam Saiful Di'n
22-09-2005, 03:24 AM
Asalamu Alaikum Waramatulahi Warbarakatu,
I pray this finds you in the best of health and iman. I think I see what the sister is trying to say here. But let's replace that word "fear" with the word "respect" for a second. I could be wrong, but I think what fear meant back then and what it means now are two different things.

The cop comparison may have been a bit off, so instead, lets use one's father as an example. As little children, we loved our fathers and we respected them. Our fathers would do anything for us and would be there to listen to us if we needed to talk. They help to provide our essentail needs such as food, clothing and shelter and do not do so begrudgingly, but out of love and care for our well being.

However, while we have love and respect for him as he does for us, we know that we should not try and do things to displease him because of his wrath....or in this case, his hand swatting our backsides. There are times that we get out of hand and he needs to discipline us. And while we may not like being disciplined and are ashamed to speak to him after his yelling, knowing full well it was something we did that made him like this, we always return to him out of love and respect.

The point here is that we are all Allah's children and at times he needs to discipline us and ahow us our wrongs. But we should always keep in mind that most of the wrong that befalls is due to our own actions. Therefore if we do this wrong, and most times we know it's wrong when we do it, then we deserve to be punished by Allah. After all His favors bestowed upon us, how dare we thumb our noses in defiance at him. This is why we need to fear Allah...not because He is something scary (astagfurillah) but because we are foolish and do things daily that are worthy of His punishment.

Anyone that thinks he/she should not fear this Divine presence knowing all the dirt we do daily, is in grave error and needs to check his/herself.

Wasalam,
Liam

Muhajibah
22-09-2005, 04:08 AM
dont know if this helps at all or not..but i'd just like to add a bit from what sis ninjabi said

Anyway, the whole point I'm trying to make with all of the above is that love and fear must exist together.

we have to remember that Allah (SWT) created everything in pairs -male and female, sun and moon, and likewise..love and fear
we know that Allah can give us an outstanding reward, likewise, He could also punish..when we fear Him, we begin to love Him. we know that He dislikes some actions, so we try to refrain..and in this way, we turn to doing good actions..and therefore we attain His Mercy, staying away from His Wrath..which in return builds up love for Him in our hearts. and so we try to do whatever we can to please Him..why? because we love Him and fear His Punishment and Wrath..

just what i think..
wa alaikumu salaam

flowerpower
22-09-2005, 11:37 AM
with all do respect i think that's rubbish.

how on earth can you love someone because you fear them :rolleyes:

you do good out of love not fear :confused:

Liam Saiful Di'n
22-09-2005, 11:53 AM
Asalamu Alaikum,
With all due respect as well, there are just certain people in this world you can make see and others you cannot. You fall into the latter. Plain and simple. The Qur'an says to love and fear (be mindful) of Allah and his punishment. You say otherwise. I choose the Qur'an.

You also said that one does good out of love not fear. This is not so as the human in naturally inclined to go astray by the Shaitan making what is good look bad and what is bad look good. Our nafs feed on instant gratification and love it; and this is what Shaitan the accursed gives us. Allah's reward is furthur down the line and is uncertain as it is only by His mercy that we will be rewarded. In other words, some of our deeds may be accepted by him, while others may not be. Allhu Alim.

With that said, the human is constantly prone to following their desires, but the only thing that keps most of us in line is the fact that following these desires carries with it a heavy penalty. For instance, we love food, but if we eat too much, we can suffer from obesity which leads to many illnesses such as asthma, diabetes, etc.. The fear of obesity is the only thing that keeps us from overdoing it most of the time. Or the fear of looking fat to other people drives us (which is the nafs once again :p )

So to wrap up this already too long post, I'll say this: We dont speed because we fear being ticketed. Not because we love the police. We mow the lawn when we dont want to not out of love, but out of fear of being punished. We love Allah and bask in His undesereved mercy, but if we're smart, we try our very hardest to stay on the straight path because even though in a hadith Qudsi it states that Allah's mercy overpowers his wrath, his wrath is nothing to ignore, brother. Whether one thinks it's "rubbish" or not is not a concern to me or to any other believing Muslim. Indeed judgment day will clarify everything.
Wasalam,
Liam

p.s. and to your signature....no offense taken here nor any argumentative feelings on my part.

amtullah786
22-09-2005, 04:42 PM
with all do respect i think that's rubbish.

how on earth can you love someone because you fear them :rolleyes:

you do good out of love not fear :confused:


dont you love your parents, but when you do something wrong dont you fear them as well?

Its similar with Allah, You love Allah, but arent you gonna fear him for similar reasons?

If you do something wrong or something they told you not too, and your not scared of the person you loves reaction after doing it, thats not really loving them.

i guess fear and respect coincide, you fear them cuz you dont want to disrespect them.

Muhajibah
22-09-2005, 08:30 PM
with all do respect i think that's rubbish.

how on earth can you love someone because you fear them

you do good out of love not fear
well..i just posted my opinion, as i thought whatever u said (with all due respect) was rubbish

abdushakur
22-09-2005, 11:11 PM
with all do respect i think that's rubbish.

how on earth can you love someone because you fear them :rolleyes:

you do good out of love not fear :confused:
I think maybe a few issues are getting overlapped here thus causing a little bit of confusion.
Is love equal to fear, is fear a result of love, is love a result of fear, can love and fear co-exist at the same time? etc. etc.

The truth is, Allah taAla is unique.
We love Him and fear Him in a way like we love and fear no other.
Similarly it is almost impossible to analogise love and fear within the creation with love and fear towards Allah taAla.
Whoever fears something runs away from it, while whoever fears Allah runs towards Him.

Allah taAla Himself teaches us in His kitab that "...Surely, those of His servants who know fear Allah..." (Surah Fatir, Ayah 28)

and this is corroborated by a hadith of Rasulullah (peace be upon him) in the collection of Sahih Bukhari where he said, "By Allah, of all people, I am the one with the most knowledge of Allah, and I fear Him the most."

So the more we know Allah, who He is, what He is capable of and our connection with Him and our duty towards Him, the more we will naturally fear Him. When we truly know Allah we will develop a sense of awe of Him.
From awe comes fear. Fear in a good sense. Fear which can stop a person in their tracks from doing anything which would not be liked by Allah.
It is this fear which we crave.
And the true fear of Allah taAla is unique.

Rasulullah (peace be upon him) said in a beautiful hadith, "I see what you do not see and I hear what you do not hear. Heaven has groaned, and it has a right to groan. By Him in Whose Hand my soul is, there is not a space of even four fingers width in which there is not an angel who prostrates his forehead before Allah. I swear by Allah that if you knew what I know, you would laugh little and weep much, and you would not take delight in women, but you would go out to an open space and call on Allah for help. I wish I were a tree that could be cut down and cease to exist" [Sahih al-Bukhari].

Whoever fears Allah taAla as he should be truly and uniquely feared, will be guided by this fear to all good.

Love is another story.

May Allah taAla give us both for His sake.

flowerpower
22-09-2005, 11:22 PM
yeh it seems you're all drifting away from the point to suit yourselves,

my original point was that it is wrong to scare children about things like that, if you think it's right and ok then thats your choice.

No amount of punishment or fear has made me become the good kind person i am, it is thru love from my parents that i have learnt good- not fear.

And i'm not questioning the what the Qu'ran says, i'm questioning YOUR beliefs that fear is the main way to become good which is absolute naive and misnformed rubbish.

stop changing the point to suit yourselves and the 'we are right and you are wrong you need help because you disagree' attitude some of you guys have is absolutely attrocious.

Liam Saiful Di'n
23-09-2005, 01:28 AM
Brother, the only thing atrocious here is your lack of adab. If you do not wish to hear what others have to say, then don't put things on here for people to respond to.

It's not proper adab to call anyone's beliefs, especially a Muslims', 'rubbish'. The 'we are right and you are wrong you need help because you disagree' attitude' you speak of is yours and yours alone for calling what others say 'rubbish'. No one here did it to you, so refrain from doing it to others if you wish to continue civil discussion. Otherwise, remain silent and agree to disagree.

You should think before you condemn people for the very thing you yourself are doing. Maybe if you weren't so busy trying to put down others, you'd have seen that this is what you are doing.

Time for better things. My best to you and yours. May Allah guide us all.

Wasalam,
Liam

eat-halal guy
23-09-2005, 01:35 AM
Flowerpower, we appreciate the message in your signature, but once again, please show respect for the opinions and beliefs of others and refrain from referring to them as "rubbish" and other such terms.

Thank you.

flowerpower
23-09-2005, 02:04 PM
Flowerpower, we appreciate the message in your signature, but once again, please show respect for the opinions and beliefs of others and refrain from referring to them as "rubbish" and other such terms.

Thank you.

of course it's ok for others to do it :rolleyes: :confused:

Muhajibah
23-09-2005, 07:58 PM
of course it's ok for others to do it
sigh, well sorry :rolleyes:

eat-halal guy
23-09-2005, 08:18 PM
of course it's ok for others to do it :rolleyes: :confused:


I'm sorry. I missed that one.


It goes for everyone. Please respect the opinions of others and refrain from using words such as "rubbish" to describe the opinions of others.

It's ok to have differing opinions and to disagree. Let's do it in a respectful, polite and civil manner.

:)

Thank you.