Why do you hate Ahle hadeth & ahle sunnah people's?

[itajamulrahman]

:salam:

Why you hate ahle hadith and & ahle sunnah people?

The word ahle hadith means (people of ahadith) right?
The word ahle sunnah means (people of sunnah) right?

If some one says you that i am ahle hadith or ahle sunnah what wrong he is saying ? why you hate the people who say's ahle hadith or ahle sunnah as a title for them selves?

And i also seen some people saying as wahabi, salafi, ghair mukhallid etc. and also some people says them kuffar.

Dont you feel what you are doing is a sin?

[al_Zayn]

:salam:

Why you hate ahle hadith and & ahle sunnah people?

The word ahle hadith means (people of ahadith) right?
The word ahle sunnah means (people of sunnah) right?

If some one says you that i am ahle hadith or ahle sunnah what wrong he is saying ? why you hate the people who say's ahle hadith or ahle sunnah as a title for them selves?

And i also seen some people saying as wahabi, salafi, ghair mukhallid etc. and also some people says them kuffar.

Dont you feel what you are doing is a sin?

:ws:

The Pervezi refer to themselves as Ahlul Qur'an

The Shi'ah refer ot themselves as Ahlul Bayt

The Qadiyanis refer to themselves as Ahmadiyyah

Name doesn't prove anything.

The term Ahlul Hadith was used for the Early Muhadditheen, and has now been hijacked by tom, **** and harry.

The term Ahlul Sunnathi Wal-Jama'ah is actually used for the main body of Muslim, the vast Majority and not for little sects.

Further explained by Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah:

مجموع فتاوى ابن تيمية
http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?flag=1&bk_no=22&ID=304

ولهذا وصف الفرقة الناجية بأنها أهل السنة والجماعة وهم الجمهور الأكبر والسواد الأعظم .

[ ص: 346 ] وأما الفرق الباقية فإنهم أهل الشذوذ والتفرق والبدع والأهواء ولا تبلغ الفرقة من هؤلاء قريبا من مبلغ الفرقة الناجية فضلا عن أن تكون بقدرها بل قد تكون الفرقة منها في غاية القلة .

وشعار هذه الفرق مفارقة الكتاب والسنة والإجماع .

فمن قال بالكتاب والسنة والإجماع كان من أهل السنة والجماعة .

As for the term Salafi, then this is also coined up by this Neo Madh-hab.

We dont hate the name we hate their spurious DIY methodology.

[Aram]

i havent personally seen anyone here calling them kafirs

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

i havent personally seen anyone here calling them kafirs
wahabism is a big fitnah for this ummah and they label themselves as salafi,ahlehadith. but in my opinion they are ahle habees

they stopped evrything and those who know will understand i need say no moe.

[shakibbhat]

So is barelvism..;)

[StrengtheningMyDeen]

So is barelvism..;)

how?

[shakibbhat]

Now come with other username n start a thread like "who was ahmed raza khan", then i ll tell u..

[itajamulrahman]

:ws:

We dont hate the name we hate their spurious DIY methodology.

Can you explain this methodology in detail?

[itajamulrahman]

wahabism is a big fitnah for this ummah and they label themselves as salafi,ahlehadith. but in my opinion they are ahle habees

they stopped evrything and those who know will understand i need say no moe.

Can you explain me what fitna it is ?

[NNoor]

Can you explain this methodology in detail?

Nope, and neither can they. That's the problem.

[itajamulrahman]

i havent personally seen anyone here calling them kafirs

SF is not compulsary for everything to be said..

[itajamulrahman]

Nope, and neither can they. That's the problem.

So the problem is in your side right ?

[itajamulrahman]

:ws:

The term Ahlul Sunnathi Wal-Jama'ah is actually used for the main body of Muslim, the vast Majority and not for little sects.


Ahlul sunnathi is OK but why do you want to break Islam in to pieces by creating jama'ah?

[shakibbhat]

:salam:

Why you hate ahle hadith and & ahle sunnah people?

The word ahle hadith means (people of ahadith) right?
The word ahle sunnah means (people of sunnah) right?

If some one says you that i am ahle hadith or ahle sunnah what wrong he is saying ? why you hate the people who say's ahle hadith or ahle sunnah as a title for them selves?

And i also seen some people saying as wahabi, salafi, ghair mukhallid etc. and also some people says them kuffar.

Dont you feel what you are doing is a sin?

Brother nobody hates the poeple of hadith or the people of quran. We dont like the ones who call themselves such n act contrary.
This thread is not gonna reap anything useful so
End of discussion.

[ahamed_sharif]

Assalamu alaykum

I don't hate Ahlo-hadeeth followers.

BUT

If some one plays hockey, I won't be playing kabaddi.

[itajamulrahman]

Brother nobody hates the poeple of hadith or the people of quran. We dont like the ones who call themselves such n act contrary.
This thread is not gonna reap anything useful so
End of discussion.
So you like if someone calls themselves as ahlul sunnathi wal jama'ah even if they are not in sunnah right ?

[ahamed_sharif]

So you like if someone calls themselves as ahlul sunnathi wal jama'ah even if they are not in sunnah right ?

Assalamu alaykum

We "ahlusunnah wal jamaath" are ON sunnah. That stamp of approval we have got from salaf, pious, muhadditeen, mufassireen, muwarriqeen etc. And we don't need certificate from xxxx.

[itajamulrahman]

Can i know, why this thread has been moved to in depth islam ?

[shakibbhat]

When did i say that bro? I said we dont like people who call themselves people of quran or hadith and act against it..

[itajamulrahman]

Assalamu alaykum

We "ahlusunnah wal jamaath" are ON sunnah. That stamp of approval we have got from salaf, pious, muhadditeen, mufassireen, muwarriqeen etc. And we don't need certificate from xxxx.

How many of them are ahlu sunnah wal jamaath at present approximately can you estimate and say me ?

[itajamulrahman]

When did i say that bro? I said we dont like people who call themselves people of quran or hadith and act against it..

It's a duty of muslim to say ahlul sunnah or ahlul hadith if some one ask who are you.. If you want you can end duscussion.

Wa lai kum as salam.

[ahamed_sharif]

How many of them are ahlu sunnah wal jamaath at present approximately can you estimate and say me ?

Assalamu alaykum

can you please clear that.

[itajamulrahman]

Assalamu alaykum

can you please clear that.

I want to know how many of them who call themselves as ahlul sunnati wal jamath are jannati ?

[ahamed_sharif]

Assalamu alaykum

How many muslims will go to jannah?

[itajamulrahman]

Assalamu alaykum

I don't hate Ahlo-hadeeth followers.


Can you call your self as ahlo hadeeth ?

[itajamulrahman]

Assalamu alaykum

How many muslims will go to jannah?

Only those who are in sunnah, but it does not mean we should give a title like ahlul sunnah wal jamaah to prove, if we do so it will become a way to break deen.

[ahamed_sharif]

Assalamu alaykum

There are people who were and are not on sunnah, to separate ourselves from their group we call our selves ahlussunnah. There were and are people who hate the jamath of sahabah (also people who say that why should we follow the sahabah), to separate ourselves from them we call ourselves ahlul jamaah.

[ahamed_sharif]

Can you call your self as ahlo hadeeth ?

Assalamu alaykum

We follow someone who were on hadeeth.

[itajamulrahman]

Assalamu alaykum

There are people who were and are not on sunnah, to separate ourselves from their group we call our selves ahlussunnah. There were and are people who hate the jamath of sahabah (also people who say that why should we follow the sahabah), to separate ourselves from them we call ourselves ahlul jamaah.
:ws:

Ahlussunnah is ok i agree with that but why do you create jamaah creating jamaah is prohibited in islam, if you creat jamaah you will not become jannati, that is why i asked you how many peoples are there in your jamaah who are jannati ?



If you are truly following sunnah of our prophet muhammed S.A.W. then what is the need of publicity ?

If you truly follow sunnah then you will automatically included in sunnah jamaah.

[ahamed_sharif]

Assalamu alaykum

We are ahlussunnah wal jamaah = ahlusunnah and ahlul jamaah. We are ahlulul jamah because we are not among those muslims who say we don't BELIEVE IN OR follow the JAMAAH OF SAHABAH.

[itajamulrahman]

Assalamu alaykum

We are ahlussunnah wal jamaah = ahlusunnah and ahlul jamaah. We are ahlulul jamah because we are not among those muslims who say we don't BELIEVE IN OR follow the JAMAAH OF SAHABAH.

:ws:
ahlussunnah wal jamaah = ahlusunnah and ahlul jamaah = ahlul hadees = salafi = ahlul sunnah.

Then why you want to create seperate jamath by cutting those true muslim's from jamaah of sahaba who are in sunnah like ahlul hadees, do you know creating jamath is prohibited ?

Just Ahlul sunnah is not inough for you ?

[itajamulrahman]

Bismillah

Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects) , you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do.
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #159)

[itajamulrahman]

Assalamu alaykum

We are ahlulul jamah because we are not among those muslims who say we don't BELIEVE IN OR follow the JAMAAH OF SAHABAH.

What if a person say's i am ahlul sunnah jamah and does shirk or bidaah ?

I think the name of the jamaah will get spoiled.

[ahamed_sharif]

:ws:
ahlussunnah wal jamaah = ahlusunnah and ahlul jamaah = ahlul hadees = salafi = ahlul sunnah.

Then why you want to create seperate jamath by cutting those true muslim's from jamaah of sahaba who are in sunnah like ahlul hadees, do you know creating jamath is prohibited ?

Just Ahlul sunnah is not inough for you ?

Assalamu alaykum


ahlussunnah wal jamaah = ahlusunnah and ahlul jamaah = ahlul hadees = salafi = ahlul sunnah.

Ahlussunnah wal jamaah follow the hadeeth so they are true ahlul hadeeth

Ahlussunnah wal jamaah follow the salaf so they are true salafees.

So think now who have broken from the ahlusunnah wal jamaath.

[ahamed_sharif]

What if a person say's i am ahlul sunnah jamah and does shirk or bidaah ?

I think the name of the jamaah will get spoiled.


What if a person say I am a muslim and does unislamic things.

[itajamulrahman]

:ws:

Name doesn't prove anything.



If the name does not prove anything then why you have created jamaah and given the name ahlul sunnah wal jamaah?
Do you know creating different types of groups and dividing religion is prohibited in islam?

[itajamulrahman]

What if a person say I am a muslim and does unislamic things.


We muslims are allowed to call ourselves as muslims because our prophet muhammed S.A.W. was muslim, Sahaba R.A. were muslim's, Prophet Isa A.S. was muslim, Prophet Ibrahim A.S. was muslim.

If a muslim does an unislamic act then allah is there to forgive him at least he is not creating group and dividing our religion like what ahlul sunnah jamaah people are doing.

[itajamulrahman]

Assalamu alaykum


ahlussunnah wal jamaah = ahlusunnah and ahlul jamaah = ahlul hadees = salafi = ahlul sunnah.

Ahlussunnah wal jamaah follow the hadeeth so they are true ahlul hadeeth

Ahlussunnah wal jamaah follow the salaf so they are true salafees.

So think now who have broken from the ahlusunnah wal jamaath.

The same Ahlul hadeeth are saying that they are truly following hadeeth, They say they truly following salaf, can you think now who have broken the religion by creating jamaath and cutting out these true people's from the jamaath of sahaba ?

[ahamed_sharif]

The same Ahlul hadeeth are saying that they are truly following hadeeth, They say they truly following salaf, can you think now who have broken the religion by creating jamaath and cutting out these true people's from the jamaath of sahaba ?

I think you have missed it. Read my posts from beginning. Then you will understand who have formed A SEPARATE jamaath.

[itajamulrahman]

I think you have missed it. Read my posts from beginning. Then you will understand who have formed A SEPARATE jamaath.

Bismillah

Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects) , you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do.
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #159)

What ever it may be those who create sect's are doing sin and breaking our religion into pieces. weather it may be ahlul hadees jamaah or ahlul sunnah jamaah. We should not use the term jamaah. If we are true follower's the what is the need to say that we are jamaah i.e. group and divide ourselves into pieces?

The duty of muslim is to be on unity.

[ahamed_sharif]

Assalamu alaykum

I think you have missed it. Read my posts from beginning. Then you will understand who have formed A SEPARATE jamaath.

[ahamed_sharif]

Assalamu alaykum

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-Uthaymeen said:


Ahlus Sunnah Wal-Jama’ah’ are those who adherently cling and unite upon the ‘Sunnah’, not turning to other than it, neither in the affairs of the belief nor in the affairs of the actions. So for this reason they are called ‘Ahlus Sunnah’ (the people of the ‘Sunnah’) because they strictly adhere to it.

And they are called ‘Al-Jama’ah’ because they gather together and unite upon it.

[StudentOfTheDeen]

weather it may be ahlul hadees jamaah or ahlul sunnah jamaah. We should not use the term jamaah. If we are true follower's the what is the need to say that we are jamaah

These terms and names like ahlus sunnah wal jamaa'ah, taa-ifatul mansoorah, as-sawaadul a'dham are not made up, they were used by the prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and his companions (radhiallaahu 'anhum ajma'een). See:

Shaykh Dr. Abul Hasan Hussain Ahmed - Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdHenfbmUz8

[itajamulrahman]

Assalamu alaykum

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-Uthaymeen said:


Ahlus Sunnah Wal-Jama’ah’ are those who adherently cling and unite upon the ‘Sunnah’, not turning to other than it, neither in the affairs of the belief nor in the affairs of the actions. So for this reason they are called ‘Ahlus Sunnah’ (the people of the ‘Sunnah’) because they strictly adhere to it.

And they are called ‘Al-Jama’ah’ because they gather together and unite upon it.


What about a person if he says firstly he is muslim, he in just ahlul hadeeth and ahlul sunnah, if he accept's all correct from ahlul sunnah wal jamaath and if he accept's all correct from ahlul hadeeth wal jammath, and if he accept's all correct from salafi wal jamath, if he accept's correct from wahabi wal jamath, if he accept's from tabligi wal jamaah etc. etc.


He will be in jamaah of sahaba or he will be thrown out from the jamaah?

[itajamulrahman]

These terms and names like ahlus sunnah wal jamaa'ah, taa-ifatul mansoorah, as-sawaadul a'dham are not made up, they were used by the prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and his companions (radhiallaahu 'anhum ajma'een). See:

Shaykh Dr. Abul Hasan Hussain Ahmed - Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdHenfbmUz8


In which hadeeth it is mentioned ?

the video for which you have given link is not working it is outdated i think.

[StudentOfTheDeen]

the video for which you have given link is not working it is outdated i think.

Try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=77JxjhFk7g8

If that doesn't work, click the link below (in my signiature).

[itajamulrahman]

Try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=77JxjhFk7g8

If that doesn't work, click the link below (in my signiature).


As per this thread i have come to know there is a majority of ahle sunnah wal jamaah.

Brother can you calculate say me approximately what is the number of population of this jamaah at present in this world ?

[al_Zayn]

Ahlul sunnathi is OK but why do you want to break Islam in to pieces by creating jama'ah?

you should ask that to the Neo Salafis and the Neo Ahlul Hadith - they have broken off from the Jama'ah and have created their own cultish ideologies "we are saved sect and everyone isn't".

[al_Zayn]

As per this thread i have come to know there is a majority of ahle sunnah wal jamaah.

Brother can you calculate say me approximately what is the number of population of this jamaah at present in this world ?

You dont need to calcutate, Neo Salafis and Neo Ahlul Hadith are very small compared to the Majority of the Four Schools.

[al_Zayn]

Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah says:

مجموع فتاوى ابن تيمية
http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?flag=1&bk_no=22&ID=304

ولهذا وصف الفرقة الناجية بأنها أهل السنة والجماعة وهم الجمهور الأكبر والسواد الأعظم .

[ ص: 346 ] وأما الفرق الباقية فإنهم أهل الشذوذ والتفرق والبدع والأهواء ولا تبلغ الفرقة من هؤلاء قريبا من مبلغ الفرقة الناجية فضلا عن أن تكون بقدرها بل قد تكون الفرقة منها في غاية القلة .

وشعار هذه الفرق مفارقة الكتاب والسنة والإجماع .

فمن قال بالكتاب والسنة والإجماع كان من أهل السنة والجماعة

Translation:

Hence the saved group is described as Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, and they are the greater majority and the vast multitude. As for the other groups, they are followers of weird ideas, division, innovation and whims and desires, and none of these groups reached anywhere close to the size of the saved group, let alone being equal to them, rather some of these groups are very small in number. The sign of these groups is that they go against the Qur'aan, Sunnah and scholarly consensus. The one who follows the Qur’aan, Sunnah and scholarly consensus is one of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah.

[Quandary]

The largest population of people ascribing themselves to Islam are the Barelwis and those who think like them.

Does that make them Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah?

[al_Zayn]

The largest population of people ascribing themselves to Islam are the Barelwis and those who think like them.

Does that make them Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah?

I dont know what you mean by "those who think like them", but im talking about the Followers of the Four Schools combined - and i highly doubt that Barelwis alone can match their number.

Amongst Barelwis there are different flavours, and are those who are not extreme.

Even amongst Neo Salafis and Neo Ahlul Hadith there are flavours, and those that eventually call themselves 'Hanbali'.

So the above combined with other Hanafis and the rest of the Schools of thought are in clear Majority - compared to the Barewlis or Neo Ahlul Hadith / Neo Salafis.

[Quandary]

What, precisely, is the hallmark of a 'Neo-Salafi,' in your view? Is it creed or the attitude of la mad'habism?

[al_Zayn]

Doesn't saying "Neo Salafi" and "Neo Ahlul Hadith" speak for itself?

[itajamulrahman]

The one who follows the Qur’aan, Sunnah and scholarly consensus is one of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah.

So the one who follows the Quran and sunnah and scholarly consensus is one of Ahl al-Sunnah wal jammah even if he says himself as ahlul hadees, salafi, wahabi or what ever may be.

If some one say's himself ahlul sunnah to himself and if he do not follow the quran and sunnah then he is not really from ahlul sunnah wal jamaah.

So following is more important than publicity.

Any one who say's himself as ahlul sunnah wal jamaath is not jannati. He has to follow sunnah to become jannati.

[ahamed_sharif]

Assalamu alaykum

ahlul hadees, salafi, wahabi do not follow consensus of sahabah!

[al_Zayn]

So the one who follows the Quran and sunnah and scholarly consensus is one of Ahl al-Sunnah wal jammah even if he says himself as ahlul hadees, salafi, wahabi or what ever may be.

If some one say's himself ahlul sunnah to himself and if he do not follow the quran and sunnah then he is not really from ahlul sunnah wal jamaah.

So following is more important than publicity.

Any one who say's himself as ahlul sunnah wal jamaath is not jannati. He has to follow sunnah to become jannati.

Fisrtly why do you want to call your group Ahlul Hadith? or Salafi? that itself shows you are breaking away from the Jama'ah.

Secondly Who's understanding of the Qur'an? who's understanding of the Sunnah? your own personal Tarjeeh?

Lastly why do the Neo Salafis and Neo Ahlul Hadith go around saying "we are the saved sect"? casting the other followers of Schools out of al-Firqah al-Najiyyah.

[itajamulrahman]

Assalamu alaykum

ahlul hadees, salafi, wahabi do not follow consensus of sahabah!

:ws:
You do not have the right's to say that..

Ahlul hadees = people of hadees.

Salafi = A Salafi come from Sunni Islam (Arabic: سلفي‎) is a follower of an Islamic movement, "Salafiyyah", that is supposed to take the Salaf who lived during the patristic period of early Islam as model examples.

Wahabi = if you say a person wahabi then do you know the meaning of wahab it is one of the name of allah.

[itajamulrahman]

Fisrtly why do you want to call your group Ahlul Hadith? or Salafi? that itself shows you are breaking away from the Jama'ah.
Ahlul Hadith is not a group.
Salafi is also not a group.

Group means jamaah, only ahle sunnah wal jamaah are creating a group and breaking our deen.



Secondly Who's understanding of the Qur'an? who's understanding of the Sunnah? your own personal Tarjeeh?


As a muslim it is duty to understand quran and sunnah and what else do you want to understand?



Lastly why do the Neo Salafis and Neo Ahlul Hadith go around saying "we are the saved sect"? casting the other followers of Schools out of al-Firqah al-Najiyyah.

I say those who follow quran and sunnah are from saved sect, name does not prove anything.

[ahamed_sharif]

Assalamu alaykum


Ahlul hadees = people of hadees.

Ahlusunnah wal jamaah follow hadees, what is special about the so called ahlul-hadees


Salafi = A Salafi come from Sunni Islam (Arabic: سلفي‎) is a follower of an Islamic movement, "Salafiyyah", that is supposed to take the Salaf who lived during the patristic period of early Islam as model examples.

Ahlusunnah wal jamaah follow the salaf, what is special about the so called ahlul-hadees, infact this group rejects many of the practices of the salaf.


Wahabi = if you say a person wahabi then do you know the meaning of wahab it is one of the name of allah.

Ahlussunnah are also the followers of wahab.


Group means jamaah, only ahle sunnah wal jamaah are creating a group and breaking our deen.

Repeatedly we have answered that.


As a muslim it is duty to understand quran and sunnah and what else do you want to understand?

Ahlusunnah wal jamath is doing that.


I say those who follow quran and sunnah are from saved sect, name does not prove anything.

Ahlusunnah wal jamaath is following quran and sunnah, so it is a saved sect, why ahlo hadeeth separated.

[itajamulrahman]

Assalamu alaykum


Repeatedly we have answered that.



:ws:

You have not given any references that you are allowed to create jamaah according to quran and sunnah.


If you give me references then i will agree.

If you are not able to provide any references from quran or sunnah that you can create jamaat then no need to reply.

Because i got the answer for my question from you and all that you dont hate ahlul hadees you hate the methodology, even after saying that you have not proved what wrong true ahlul hadees are doing..

[hmdsalahuddin]

:ws:

You have not given any references that you are allowed to create jamaah according to quran and sunnah.


If you give me references then i will agree.

If you are not able to provide any references from quran or sunnah that you can create jamaat then no need to reply.

Because i got the answer for my question from you and all that you dont hate ahlul hadees you hate the methodology, even after saying that you have not proved what wrong true ahlul hadees are doing..

:salam:

Brother, I live in Chennai. We can meet and talk face to face if it is ok for you.

Waiting for your reply

[itajamulrahman]

:salam:

Brother, I live in Chennai. We can meet and talk face to face if it is ok for you.

Waiting for your reply

Face to Face i dont know what you are going to prove ?

What's Wrong with sunni forum ?

This is my email id (itajamulrahman@yahoo.com) if you want to talk privately i think this is the best option.