Deobandi and brelvi - who are they?

[Caliph]

Asalamu Alaykum.

Who are Deobandi and Brelvi, what is the the diffrences?

W/salam.

[junfrared]

Deobandi principly believe in Quran wa sunnat and obey the Sahab the companions of prophet saw, early Muslims and great scholars.

And barelvi practically believe in bid'at, shirk, graves.

[Caliph]

Deobandi principly believe in Quran wa sunnat and obey the Sahab the companions of prophet saw, early Muslims and great scholars.

And barelvi practically believe in bid'at, shirk, graves.
Got any prove?

Are you also deobandi? You sound like you know a lot about them.

[mmb786]

here on SF they have a pretty name for berelvi's, they are actually bidd'atis.

the guys who love green!

[Caliph]

here on SF they have a pretty name for berelvi's, they are actually bidd'atis.

the guys who love green!
Explain? So according to some sources, ca. 70% of Pakistan is barelvi.

[NeednoName]

Asalamu Alaykum.

Who are Deobandi and Brelvi, what is the the diffrences?

W/salam.

Waaleykum'assalaam!

Latter only make bold claims of loving Allah and His Rasul (saw). Whereas former prove their love for Allah and His Rasul (saw).

[xs11ax]

:salam:

deobandis follow the scholars of deoband and barelvis follow the scholars of barelvis, primarily raza khan barelwi.

so to find out about them you need to understand the differences that define them.

[mmb786]

Explain? So according to some sources, ca. 70% of Pakistan is barelvi.

what do u mean?

[junfrared]

Got any prove?

Are you also deobandi? You sound like you know a lot about them.


Yes i'm deobandi, lots of brother can tell about deobandi. I'll give you some prove, why barelvis are so bad, after this there is no need of a single word against them. Below is a Great Barelvi Sheikul Islam (Kufur in envolpe of Islam), Dr. Allamah Tahir Ul Qadri

Allah Tala and Hazor sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam are One entity NOT TWO, those who denies this fact are Polytheist, Heretic! statement of Doctor in innovations allamah Tahir ul qadri (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?80403-Tahirul-Qadri&p=692350&viewfull=1#post692350)


Peoples doing Sajdah to Doctor in innovation allamah Tahir ul qadri, the Great Follower of 'Ala Hazard Ahmed Raza Khan Barlvi (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?80403-Tahirul-Qadri&p=692393&viewfull=1#post692393)

[Salman_Hanafi]

Explain? So according to some sources, ca. 70% of Pakistan is barelvi.

inaccurate, first of all 70 percent of pakistan doesnt know who they are, even if you are categorizing according to beliefs, a large proportion of pakistanis are a combination of both, and 70 percent is not barelvi certainly, if you go by the number of madrassas then deobandis are on the top on that count, followed by the barelvis...

[Salman_Hanafi]

dr tahirul qadri has been declared devaint by many barelvis, its unfair to judge the barelvis based on the stuff the doctor comes up with

[junfrared]

Explain? So according to some sources, ca. 70% of Pakistan is barelvi.

Perhaps, Religious illiteracy directly proportional to Barelvi Density. Means as much as people are unaware of their as much they are Barelvi. In fact some if someone says he is a Deobandi, but he doesn’t acquire the religious knowledge, then it is very possible is doing Bida't. Bada't = Barelviate.

Bada't = That deend, Creed which did not done by Nabi (saw), by his companion, and by pious early Muslims.

[Caliph]

Why are u deobandi? Btw. the links wont work...
Yes i'm deobandi, lots of brother can tell about deobandi. I'll give you some prove, why barelvis are so bad, after this there is no need of a single word against them. Below is a Great Barelvi Sheikul Islam (Kufur in envolpe of Islam), Dr. Allamah Tahir Ul Qadri

Allah Tala and Hazor sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam are One entity NOT TWO, those who denies this fact are Polytheist, Heretic! statement of Doctor in innovations allamah Tahir ul qadri (http://http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?80403-Tahirul-Qadri&p=692350&viewfull=1#post692350)
Nice prove, link dosnt work.

Why are deobandi good then? Why are you deobandi then? Ain't you doing the same as bralwi's?

Peoples doing Sajdah to Doctor in innovation allamah Tahir ul qadri, the Great Follower of 'Ala Hazard Ahmed Raza Khan Barlvi (http://http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?80403-Tahirul-Qadri&p=692393&viewfull=1#post692393)

[Salman_Hanafi]

brother Caliph are you living in the subcontinent, or are you living with subcontinent muslims elsewhere?..I am asking it because It may help others in answering your question

[Quandary]

dr tahirul qadri has been declared devaint by many barelvis, its unfair to judge the barelvis based on the stuff the doctor comes up with

On the other hand, I don't see how his beliefs are really different from those of the Barelwis- could you make a list?

[Caliph]

brother Caliph are you living in the subcontinent, or are you living with subcontinent muslims elsewhere?..I am asking it because It may help others in answering your questionEurope.

So why is deobandi good?

[Salman_Hanafi]

Europe.

So why is deobandi good?

which country in europe

[junfrared]

Why are u deobandi? Btw. the links wont work...

I have rectified the links


Allah Tala and Hazor sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam are One entity NOT TWO, those who denies this fact are Polytheist, Heretic! statement of Doctor in innovations allamah Tahir ul qadri (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?80403-Tahirul-Qadri&p=692350&viewfull=1#post692350)


Peoples doing Sajdah to Doctor in innovation allamah Tahir ul qadri, the Great Follower of 'Ala Hazard Ahmed Raza Khan Barlvi (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?80403-Tahirul-Qadri&p=692393&viewfull=1#post692393)


No generally didn't do bada't. if some do then he is illterate.

True deen in which we believe is:

Tawheed:

it is not only to say oneness of Allah's Lordship, also oneness of Allah's worship, oneness of Allah's Names, oneness of his Attributes, and oneness of his Deeds.

Barelvi just accept the oneness of Allah's Lordship and consider his as only creator, as Polytheist of Makah were also belief this, but apparently they isn't confessing oneness of Allah's Names, oneness of his Attributes, and oneness of his Deeds. They clearly damage the belief of oneness of Allah's worship.

They did the work to Ghir Ullah, which can only be done to Allah Tala.

The think Allah Tala has given his some Attributes to Prophet (saw), and Aoliyyah Allah (e.g. Abdul Qadir Jilani). They can give life to dead, they can hear you from away, they can help right now, you can ask them to help., therefore worship their grave to get some benefits.

Also they do lot religion related ritual which is never done by Nabi (saw), by his companions, and by Pious Early Muslim.

[Salman_Hanafi]

On the other hand, I don't see how his beliefs are really different from those of the Barelwis- could you make a list?

sorry I have better lists to make, I may be wrong but I dont think barelvis believe in that unity with Allah stuff and sajda to graves or sheikhs isnt supported by them either...Allah knows best

[hansa]

Europe.

So why is deobandi good?

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?38681-Praise-of-the-scholarship-of-Deoband-from-scholars-around-the-world&highlight=deoband

[Caliph]

which country in europe
Brother, look under my name, im from Denmark. But why does it matter?

[hansa]

The Barelwis are not part of the Ahlus Sunnah. Bid'ah is a distinguishing
feature of this sect.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

for: Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.
http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=167e24cb8d9344a0a161011bcd22dafa


Respected Brother-in-Islam

Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuhu

Darul Uloom Deoband (also other institutions based on Darul Uloom Deoband ideologies) is sourced and referred to often. Inevitably, Deoband is based on the teachings of the Noble Qur'an and Sunnah of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) as well as the illustrious Sahaaba (Radhiallaahu Ánhum)

The Barelwi / Deobandi issue is an age-old difference which should have been buried a long time ago, but unfortunately some people will resort to mud-slinging. May Allah Ta'ala guide all of us on the right path.
1. You may refer to 'Mutalia Barelwi' by Dr. Allama Khalid Mahmood
2. 'Who Are the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaa' by Mufti AH Elias
3. 'Deoband Se Barelwi Tak' by Moulana Abu Awsaf
4. 'Barelwi Fitna ka Naya Roup' by Muhammad Arif

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=142d4c1b0c6a73fa1b7f92a2baf1dff6

[Salman_Hanafi]

Brother, look under my name, im from Denmark. But why does it matter?

I am sorry I did not pay attention, it matters because people outside the subcontinent who are not in contact with asian muslims generally need not to worry about what is deobandi or barelvi, reading stuff on the internet can confuse you, just my sincere advice, follow the ahlusunnah of your area..

[Aftab Siddiqui-India]

Explain? So according to some sources, ca. 70% of Pakistan is barelvi.

you seems like more knowledgeable about Barelvi, & your questions pretends you know nothing about their differences :confused: also you can find many responses on sf please search that thread rather engaging all again in this debate.

[XTREME]

After reaching 10 - 12 that would be closed too.

People don't use common sense. They just follow what they were taught. In my views read the books of every sects/maslak & then decide which one is right.

[Muhammad_786]

After reaching 10 - 12 that would be closed too.

People don't use common sense. They just follow what they were taught. In my views read the books of every sects/maslak & then decide which one is right.

Slm,

What to do if you have issues with sects to start off with? (I know both TJ's (Deo's) & (Brillo's) and take the good from them (sunnats - read Deo's) & leave the 'bad' (bidats (read Brillo's) & cultural practices (both groups included) as I do with most other manhaj (who may/may not be from the subcontinent.)

[mmb786]

Slm,

What to do if you have issues with sects to start off with? (I know both TJ's (Deo's) & (Brillo's) and take the good from them (sunnats - read Deo's) & leave the 'bad' (bidats (read Brillo's) & cultural practices (both groups included) as I do with most other manhaj (who may/may not be from the subcontinent.)

thats called mixed masaala.

[Muhammad_786]

thats called mixed masaala.

And that's proudly what I am. You hit the nail on the head!

[peer rizwan badshah]

salams wish we had more people like nephilim 786

[XTREME]

Slm,

What to do if you have issues with sects to start off with? (I know both TJ's (Deo's) & (Brillo's) and take the good from them (sunnats - read Deo's) & leave the 'bad' (bidats (read Brillo's) & cultural practices (both groups included) as I do with most other manhaj (who may/may not be from the subcontinent.)

Well, Last year I took bayah from the Sufi Sheikh. So, whenever I have some problem I just ask him for the verification. It's better to learn deen from those who are in caves & jungles. :)

[Talhah]

:salam:

See A Query Regarding Barelvis answered by Shaikh Mufti Muhammad Taqi Uthmani (http://www.deoband.org/2010/07/aqida/deviant-beliefs/a-query-regarding-the-barelwis/)and this (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?36355-Who-are-Berelvis&p=307316&viewfull=1#post307316) reply by brother Saad.

[MartialArtistUK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHkFkknENhk&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL48097E6B8B19C9E3

[Caliph]

Guys don't disrespect please. Thank you.

[Ahmad_shakeel]

:salam:

See A Query Regarding Barelvis answered by Shaikh Mufti Muhammad Taqi Uthmani (http://www.deoband.org/2010/07/aqida/deviant-beliefs/a-query-regarding-the-barelwis/)and this (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?36355-Who-are-Berelvis&p=307316&viewfull=1#post307316) reply by brother Saad.

http://www.deoband.org/2010/07/aqida/deviant-beliefs/a-call-to-deobandi-barelwi-unity-%E2%80%94-fatwas-from-two-leading-deobandi-institutes/