Ibn al-Jawzi & the 'Aynayn issue Plus Radd on Ali Rida Qadri - Shaykh Abul Hasan

[StudentOfTheDeen]

Assalaamu 'alaikum warahmatullaahi wabarakaatuh

Maashaa-Allaah, Shaykh Abul Hasan put this up on the marifah site last night:


Assalamu alaikum

In the attached file entitled:





THE CASE OF THE CURIOUSLY

CRASS QADRI,

HIS CLAIMS ON SOME ISSUES,

AND THE AYNAYN ISSUE ASCRIBED TO IMAM IBN AL-JAWZI



One may read facts about Ali Rida Qadri, some of his associates in creed, and his own claims on some creedal issues, as summarised below:


1) His slander against this writer and his one time apology via email
2) His admiration for Ahmed al-Ghumari
3) Points about Imam al-Dhahabi from Imams - Ibn al-Subki and al-Ala'i
4) Ahmed al-Ghumari and Albani
5) Claims that Rabi Madkhali ("Salafi") apparently slandered the Sahaba
6) Claims that Abul Hasan al-Ma'ribi ("Salafi" student of Muqbil ibn Hadi) slandered some of the Sahaba (raa)
7) Claims that Ubayd al-Jabiri ("Salafi" authority for spubs.com/salafitalk.net) slandered the Sahabi - Ka'b ibn Malik (ra)
8) Qadri and his claims regarding Aqawil al Thiqat of Shaykh Mari'i al-Karmi al-Hanbali
9) Qadri and Sh. Shu'ayb Arna'ut
10) Ibn Taymiyya and his slander of some of the Sahaba
11) Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali and his Ruju (retraction) from the Taymiyyan way
12) Qadri and his claim that Imam Ibn al Jawzi apparently said that there is no difference of opinion that Allah has "Aynayn" ("Two Eyes")
13) Historical record between us and Qadri and some of his associates
14) What spubs.com say about Abuz Zubair - of the IA forum
15) The abuses of the likes of - al-Ghuzayli, Abu Khuzaima and Abu Hibban and a majhul from Toronto
16) Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya and Ibn Uthaymin regarding the meaning of Istiwa, plus a batil wording ascribed to the Musnad of Imam Ahmed

And so on

Wassalam

Abul Hasan

Download link: http://www.4shared.com/document/ElsxB5hi/The_Case_of_the_Curious_Qadri_.html

[maneatinglizard]

Assalaamu 'alaikum warahmatullaahi wabarakaatuh

Maashaa-Allaah, Shaykh Abul Hasan put this up on the marifah site last night:

:salam:

Brother, the link is broken.

Could you try to fix that?

:jazak:

[StudentOfTheDeen]

:salam:

Brother, the link is broken.

Could you try to fix that?

:jazak:

Wa'alaikumus salaam warahmatullaahi wabarakaatuh.

I fixed it. Here it is again:

Download link: http://www.4shared.com/document/ElsxB5hi/The_Case_of_the_Curious_Qadri_.html

[sabm90]

Wa'alaikumus salaam warahmatullaahi wabarakaatuh.

I fixed it. Here it is again:

Download link: http://www.4shared.com/document/ElsxB5hi/The_Case_of_the_Curious_Qadri_.html

Brother how can i contact Sheikh Abul Hasan?

[Ahlussunnah]

Assalam alaikum

He has some problems with what i had written regarding the praise of Ahmad al-Ghamari for Al-Albani. What i had written was in reference to the saying of poet "real virtue is that which is attested by enemy'' (trans.). It didn't mean al-Ghumari was a fan of albani, or he was kind of his supporter. No doubt al-Albani was a wahabi taymi for al-Ghumari, but belief and knowledge are two different things. Al-Ghumari testified for his knowledge, not for his aqeedah. A lot of people consider Ibn Taymiyya to be misguided, but who would dare to claim that he was a self claimed scholar who didn't have any knowledge.
I quoted al-Ghumari because a lot of people know that he wasn't fond of Wahabis and poeple propagate his fatwa against "Wahabis".

As for the claim that some publisher made changes, then know that the changes are not of any significance. It only adds to the abuses al-Ghumari had regarding al-Albani. The statement of praise remains there. Other things are just personal attacks on aqeedah and intentions. I had read the article by As-Saqqaf before compiling my article and I wanted to expose its insignificance in my article, but I left it for I didn't see it on english online world. The changes in original letter might have been made due to al-Ghumari's bad language. His younger brother Abdullah al-Ghumari made several changes in his al-Mudawi and removed the abuses for al-Munawi, though still we have insults therein.
He mentioned Bu Khubzah, a student of al-Ghumari.... Bu Khubza is a great fan of al-Albani. The letters of al-Ghumari which were in possesion in Bu Khubza were also published in a book "al-Jawab al-Mufeed" by Badr al-'Imrani. It also have the praise for albani on page 60.

This was related to me so i made it clear.

WAllah A'alam

[Ahlussunnah]

Abul Hasan also said that As-Saqqaf is anti-Mu'awiyah specifically. I don't if he claimed this based on some second hand infor or he has some real study on it, but Hasan As-Saqqaf is anti-(many sahaba), ex. Abu Sufyan, Samurah, Abdullah bin Salam etc.

[Sunni Muslim]

Abul Hasan also said that As-Saqqaf is anti-Mu'awiyah specifically. I don't if he claimed this based on some second hand infor or he has some real study on it, but Hasan As-Saqqaf is anti-(many sahaba), ex. Abu Sufyan, Samurah, Abdullah bin Salam etc.

Please give us some references for Saqqaf being against those named Sahaba (raa).

[Ahlussunnah]

Please give us some references for Saqqaf being against those named Sahaba (raa).

That needs time... What i remember is that, he attacked Ibn Salaam (ra) in his tahqiq of al-Uluww during the discussion on Israeli reports. Abu Sufyan was a known enemy of islam according to Saqqaf kind of people. Although i dont have references for now. Samurah I am not sure, and I could be wrong. Mu'awiyah..he made takfeer on him. Amr bin al-'Aas... attacked him in Tanaqudhat al-Albani vol.2.
Saqqaf is kind of person according to whom all the Umayyads were evil except for some selected like Uthman and Umar bin Abdul Aziz.

[junfrared]

That needs time... What i remember is that, he attacked Ibn Salaam (ra) in his tahqiq of al-Uluww during the discussion on Israeli reports. Abu Sufyan was a known enemy of islam according to Saqqaf kind of people. Although i dont have references for now. Samurah I am not sure, and I could be wrong. Mu'awiyah..he made takfeer on him. Amr bin al-'Aas... attacked him in Tanaqudhat al-Albani vol.2.
Saqqaf is kind of person according to whom all the Umayyads were evil except for some selected like Uthman and Umar bin Abdul Aziz.

Do you collected any reference yet, I'll share it on haqqforum

[Ahlussunnah]

Do you collected any reference yet, I'll share it on haqqforum

Actually I wasn't looking for it, but since you need it here are some quotes after a quick look on some of his books.

On pg.19 of his edition of Asni al-Matalib (by Zaini Dahlan) he attacks Ahlus Sunnah for defending Abu Sufyan.

On pg.20 of it he portray Abu Hurairah as irresponsible in his narration.

On pg.36 (footnote) of al-'Atb al-Jameel (by Muhammad bin 'Aqeel al-'Alawi) he says that Khawarij according to him were Mu'awiyah and his allies, but Mu'awiyah spreaded the narrations by attributing it to other people so as to save himself and hide the fact that he was Khariji.
Note that among Hz Mu'awiyah's supporter were some sahaba like Amr bin 'Aas, Mughirah bin Shu'bah etc.

On pg.25,26 of the same book the author Ibn 'Aqeel al-'Alawi insults Abu Sufyan, Mu'awiyah, his mother Hinda, 'Amr bin 'Aas, Samurah bin Jundub, and Mughirah bin Shu'bah, and claimed that they were enemies of Prophet's Ahlul Bayt. Saqqaf didn't contradict him, but rather provided some hadith for Kufr of Mu'awiyah and its authenticity.

On pg. 234 of Tanaqdhat al-Albani vol.2, he attacks Shaykh al-Albani for authenticating narration in virtue of 'Amr bin Aas, and put under the section of those hadith which Allamah Al-Albani authnticated in support of Nasibi madhhab.

These are some selected quotes. I left his attacks on Mu'awiyah because it is well known such that he has no less than two separate book only for attacking Hz Muawiyah. His attack on Hz Abdullah bin Salaam could be seen in his muqaddimah of al-Uluww (by Dhahabi) where he also says that his manaqib narrated by Bukhari and others is fabricated. This was regarding Sahaba, but if you want see his attacks on Salaf and scholars then read this book. http://www.archive.org/details/Kashf_Sa9af

Wassalaam