The 4 schools, please help me learn the differences!

[Amna4]

Assalamu Alaikum :)
I believe I have a solid enough grasp on the basic principles and practices of Islam, that I want to start learning about the different schools of thought more in-depth. A lot of the advice I've seen given to people trying to discern which one to follow is "consider the majority of the population around you". For better or worse, I have people from all four schools surrounding me. Most of closest friends are Hanabali, but I do have friends that belong to the other three. I would like to understand more of the differences in both practice and rulings before I decide which one to follow most closely. If you all could help, that would be amazing. I'm looking for references to Hadith, Qur'an, scholars, educational websites, and personal opinions.
JazakAllah Khair!

[ursis]

:ws:
Have a look here (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?81-Madhahib-Related).

[The handhold]

Great ... :jazak:
:salam:

[junfrared]

Assalamu Alaikum :)
I believe I have a solid enough grasp on the basic principles and practices of Islam, that I want to start learning about the different schools of thought more in-depth. A lot of the advice I've seen given to people trying to discern which one to follow is "consider the majority of the population around you". For better or worse, I have people from all four schools surrounding me. Most of closest friends are Hanabali, but I do have friends that belong to the other three. I would like to understand more of the differences in both practice and rulings before I decide which one to follow most closely. If you all could help, that would be amazing. I'm looking for references to Hadith, Qur'an, scholars, educational websites, and personal opinions.
JazakAllah Khair!

This is wrong scenario, you can't judge four even if you sent your whole life!

Hazrat Allamah Anwar Shah Khasmiri r.a. (He was one of the Great Muhdith among Ullama-e-Deoband-Hanafi) was crying in the end of his life that he has wasted his time with hanafi/Sh'afi polemics.

Therefore your main aim should be to follow the Quran wa Hadiths through reputable scholars. In initials phase you should be very skeptic, should ask for reference of Quran wa Hadith. Ask wheather the Hadith is Sahi or Zaif or Mowzo

Should consult the books along with scholars. initially don't rley ONLY on scholar

Keep away from Barelvi, follower of Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi, (He was the Great Bidati of last century)
Keep away from Kawstharis, follower of Allama Zahid ul Kawsthari, (He was also Great Bidati of last century)

Always practice what you have learned, b/c it will open the next door of Ilm,

because Allah ta'al say:
“And those who strive hard for Us, We will certainly guide them in Our ways, and verily Allah is with the good-doers.”
-al-Ankabut 69


And if you like the peace of mind then stick to Ullama of al haramain al shrifain (ie Makkah tul Mukrama and Masjid An Nabawi Asl- Sharif). You can blindly follow them. they are Salafi/Hambli

And if you like to follow Hanafi, the Ullama of Deoband is best choice but be skeptic, beacuse their some illiterate peoples, and some "Ullama e Suoo" have lots of bid'at so in initial phase be very skeptic, should ask for reference of Quran wa Hadith. Ask wheather the Hadith is Sahi or Zaif or Mowzo.

These thing are not absolute solution, but it is relativistic precationary measures. because Ultimately Allah ta'al says:

see my signature

[Zubair-Usman]

This is wrong scenario, you can't judge four even if you sent your whole life!

Hazrat Allamah Anwar Shah Khasmiri r.a. (He was one of the Great Muhdith among Ullama-e-Deoband-Hanafi) was crying in the end of his life that he has wasted his time with hanafi/Sh'afi polemics.

Therefore your main aim should be to follow the Quran wa Hadiths through reputable scholars. In initials phase you should be very skeptic, should ask for reference of Quran wa Hadith. Ask wheather the Hadith is Sahi or Zaif or Mowzo

Should consult the books along with scholars. initially don't rley ONLY on scholar

Keep away from Barelvi, follower of Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi, (He was the Great Bidati of last century)
Keep away from Kawstharis, follower of Allama Zahid ul Kawsthari, (He was also Great Bidati of last century)

Always practice what you have learned, b/c it will open the next door of Ilm,

because Allah ta'al say:
“And those who strive hard for Us, We will certainly guide them in Our ways, and verily Allah is with the good-doers.”
-al-Ankabut 69


And if you like the peace of mind then stick to Ullama of al haramain al shrifain (ie Makkah tul Mukrama and Masjid An Nabawi Asl- Sharif). You can blindly follow them. they are Salafi/Hambli

And if you like to follow Hanafi, the Ullama of Deoband is best choice but be skeptic, beacuse their some illiterate peoples, and some "Ullama e Suoo" have lots of bid'at so in initial phase be very skeptic, should ask for reference of Quran wa Hadith. Ask wheather the Hadith is Sahi or Zaif or Mowzo.

These thing are not absolute solution, but it is relativistic precationary measures. because Ultimately Allah ta'al says:

see my signature

Brother Can you Help me;

In which book it is writen... "Hazrat Allamah Anwar Shah Khasmiri r.a. (He was one of the Great Muhdith among Ullama-e-Deoband-Hanafi) was crying in the end of his life that he has wasted his time with hanafi/Sh'afi polemics.

I'm searching for following question from long time, but strange people who says follow only Quran and hadees can't answer it...Might your Salafi/Ahle hadees could answer it....

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?83220-Questions-to-the-Ahle-hadith-(Ghair-Muqalideen-Salafi)

Waiting for your reply

[SUPERiMAN]

because Allah ta'al say:
“And those who strive hard for Us, We will certainly guide them in Our ways, and verily Allah is with the good-doers.”
-al-Ankabut 69




You have severed your own head. Read as HIT-WICKET/OWN GOAL


وَٱلَّذِينَ جَـٰهَدُواْ فِينَا لَنَہۡدِيَنَّہُمۡ سُبُلَنَا*ۚ وَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَمَعَ ٱلۡمُحۡسِنِينَ (٦٩)

As for those who strive in Our way, We will certainly take them onto Our paths, and indeed Allah is with those who are good in deeds. (69) [Al Ankabut - Mufti Taqi Usmani]

Now lets see what Maarfiul Quran by Mufti Shafi :rahma: has to say about this


Knowledge improves if it is acted upon [Vol 6 page 714 of the English version]

Sayyidna Abu Ad-Darda' :anhu: while interpreting this verse has said that the people who strive for acting in accordance with their knowledge are promised by Allah :taala: in this verse that He will disclose to them some other areas of knowledge that they did not have before. Fudayl Ibn 'Iyad :rahma: has given yet another interpretation to this verse, that is, 'those who strive for knowledge, We make it easy for them to act'. (Mazhari).

Now the Four Mujtahid Imams strove for knowledge, and Allah :taala: has made it easy for the whole Ummah to act on Deen

[SUPERiMAN]

ijtihād, ( Arabic: “effort”) in Islāmic law, the independent or original interpretation of problems not precisely covered by the Qurʾān, Ḥadīth (traditions concerning the Prophet’s life and utterances), and ijmāʿ (scholarly consensus).

Encyclopedia Britannica

[SUPERiMAN]

This is wrong scenario, you can't judge four even if you sent your whole life!

Hazrat Allamah Anwar Shah Khasmiri r.a. (He was one of the Great Muhdith among Ullama-e-Deoband-Hanafi) was crying in the end of his life that he has wasted his time with hanafi/Sh'afi polemics.



Now please start crying. Your END has come to a DEAD END.

[SUPERiMAN]

وَٱلَّذِينَ جَـٰهَدُواْ فِينَا لَنَہۡدِيَنَّہُمۡ سُبُلَنَا*ۚ وَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَمَعَ ٱلۡمُحۡسِنِينَ (٦٩)

As for those who strive in Our way, We will certainly take them onto Our paths, and indeed Allah is with those who are good in deeds. (69) [Al Ankabut - Mufti Taqi Usmani]



The paths [read as Madhabs] can be multiple. All reach to the same destination i.e. Allah :taala:

[junfrared]

Brother Can you help me;

In which book it is writen... "Hazrat Allamah Anwar Shah Khasmiri r.a. (He was one of the Great Muhdith among Ullama-e-Deoband-Hanafi) was crying in the end of his life that he has wasted his time with hanafi/Sh'afi polemics.

I'm searching for following question from long time, but strange people who says follow only Quran and hadees can't answer it...Might your Salafi/Ahle hadees could answer it....

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?83220-Questions-to-the-Ahle-hadith-(Ghair-Muqalideen-Salafi)

Waiting for your reply
Currently I don’t remember where Shah Sahab wrote this, but insha Allah I’ll you tell the reference. And be relax it is nothing to do with AH/Hanafi dispute. See it the light of this
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?82346-The-4-schools-please-help-me-learn-the-differences!&p=708818&viewfull=1#post708818
My I'm also a Hanafi
I perform the Salah same as a Hanafi performs, I don't do Raf'yden, and Aameen Bil Jahar etc...
I'm not a conventional sub-continental Ahle-Hadith.
And there is a difference b/w Salafi and Ahle-Hadtih.
I do Taqleed of local Ullamas as long as I "consider they are telling me from Quran wa Hadith, If I have any suspicion I cross-check them or ask to some external resources. Normally I don't know what Imam Abu Hanifah r.a. says about something, I'm just following the local Mufti and normally I don't know his resources, from where he is taking that opinion, whether is telling me the Imam Abu Hanifah's r.a. opinion, or Sahibayen's r.a. opinion or othes A'emas' opinion or directly telling me form the Quran or the Hadith. (This is the reality what we faces in normal daily life there is no practical concept of Taqleed of Imam Abu Hanaifah for a laymen, we are just following (doing Taqleed of) our local Muftis, weather we are Ahle Hadith, or Salafi or Hanafi). And the Professional Mufti knows where he can reject Ibne Tamiyah or Imam Ahmed bin Hambal or Imam Abu Hanifah r.a. or where he can accept or where he can prioritize one's opinion over another's. There is no Taqleedic connection b/w Imam Abu Hanaifah r.a. and a layman. Therefore the whole dispute of Taqleed-e-Shakhsi has no practical worth. :-)


Imam Shah Wali Ullah r.a. said: "The opinion of Mufti is worthy (Sanad hai) for a layman if he is telling from Shara' (Quran wa Hadith). But if a layman thinks (due to some evidence) he is not acquiring from Shara' (Quran wa Hadith), or telling the opinion of his desires, then his (Muftis/Scholars) opinion is NOT worthy (Sanad hai) (for him)"

You have severed your own head. Read as HIT-WICKET/OWN GOAL


وَٱلَّذِينَ جَـٰهَدُواْ فِينَا لَنَہۡدِيَنَّہُمۡ سُبُلَنَا*ۚ وَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَمَعَ ٱلۡمُحۡسِنِينَ (٦٩)

As for those who strive in Our way, We will certainly take them onto Our paths, and indeed [B]Allah is with those who are good in deeds. (69) [Al Ankabut - Mufti Taqi Usmani]
You have wasted your time, I'm not telling him to open the BUkhari Shareef, read the Hadith of Ameen Bil Jahar and do it in your Salah, this is your strive.

I's trying to say do all good deeds and leave all bads, as soon as your come to know about them THROUGH REPUTABLE SCHOLAR, not from Self-Reading, b/c Allah is with those who are good in deeds


The paths [read as Madhabs] can be multiple. All reach to the same destination i.e. Allah :taala:

Do repent from this illiterate "Tafseer Bir Rae", otherwise seek your placein the HELL (I roughly quoted you the Hadith-e-Nabawi pbuh)

Now let’s see what Maarfiul Quran by Mufti Shafi :rahma: has to say about this

Now the Four Mujtahid Imams strove for knowledge, and Allah :taala: has made it easy for the whole Ummah to act on Deen
Currently I don’t have Marif Ul Quran, but checked approx. ten Tafaaseer (including Hazart Thanvi, Shabir Ahmed Uthamani, Taqi Uthmani, ……….), and I can’t believe this is the opinion of Mufti Shafee’ Sahab, this is completely non-sense. It has nothing to do with Four Pious Imams; this is for every Mummati from Prophet pbuh to last Muslim before the end.

[junfrared]

ijtihād, ( Arabic: “effort”) in Islāmic law, the independent or original interpretation of problems not precisely covered by the Qurʾān, Ḥadīth (traditions concerning the Prophet’s life and utterances), and ijmāʿ (scholarly consensus).

Encyclopedia Britannica

This is not correct definition of Ijtihad, take it from REPUTABLE SCHOLARS, NOT FROM CHRISTIAN, JEWISH BRITANNICA :p

[SUPERiMAN]

This is not correct definition of Ijtihad, take it from REPUTABLE SCHOLARS, NOT FROM CHRISTIAN, JEWISH BRITANNICA :p

Ok, please give the correct definition.

[SUPERiMAN]

The paths [read as Madhabs] can be multiple. All reach to the same destination i.e. Allah :taala:

This conclusion is not mine. I have checked with a couple of Ulema on this and they confirmed that the conclusion is correct.

[junfrared]

Ok, please give the correct definition.

This is not my and your job to find out its answer. Leave it to Ullamas. I just said "take it from REPUTABLE SCHOLARS, NOT FROM CHRISTIAN, JEWISH BRITANNICA"


This conclusion is not mine. I have checked with a couple of Ulema on this and they confirmed that the conclusion is correct.

I'm saying it is completely non-sense. It has nothing to do with Mazhab. If you have any doubt then please check some ADVANNCE COMMENTARIES of Quran.
and I know how much intellectual these new generation of Ullamas are.

[Saqqib_Ali]

so the jist of the answers is "choose the one that is most like the arabs" i.e. wahabism??? Wahabism isn't one of the four madhabs of sunnism and different to Hanbalis.

Islam is a religion for the whole world, the Arabs/Wahabis don't own it even if they have billions in the way of oil money.

Brother asking the question:

The difference is slight variance of opinion in the way certain things are interpreted. It's not important to know the differences, but just to know and understand that differences exist, and not go around calling everyone else kaffirs just because they happen to practice slightly different from you.

But remember despite these differences and four madhabs, Islam is one.

[SUPERiMAN]

This is not my and your job to find out its answer. Leave it to Ullamas. I just said "take it from REPUTABLE SCHOLARS, NOT FROM CHRISTIAN, JEWISH BRITANNICA"


You don't even know the meaning of ijtihad. And yet you have the audacity to reject opinions of Aimmah e Mujtahideen. On what basis do you reject the ijtihad of the Four Imams?

[al_Zayn]

:salam:

Here is what Salafi Shaykh Ibn al-'Uthaymeen says on Ijthihad, it's meaning in Lughah and Istalahat and also it's Shuroot from his Usool Min 'Ilm al-Usool:




الأجتهاد


تعريفه

الاجتهاد لغة: بذل الجهد لإدراك أمر شاق
.
واصطلاحاً: بذل الجهد لإدراك حكم شرعي.

والمجتهد: من بذل جهده لذلك.

شروط الاجتهاد:

للاجتهاد شروط منها:

1 - أن يعلم من الأدلة الشرعية ما يحتاج إليه في اجتهاده كآيات الأحكام وأحاديثها.
2 - أن يعرف ما يتعلق بصحة الحديث وضعفه؛ كمعرفة الإسناد ورجاله، وغير ذلك.
3 - أن يعرف الناسخ والمنسوخ ومواقع الإجماع حتى لا يحكم بمنسوخ أو مخالف للإجماع!،
4 - أن يعرف من الأدلة ما يختلف به الحكم من تخصيص، أو تقييد، أو نحوه حتى لا يحكم بما يخالف ذلك.
5 - أن يعرف من اللغة وأصول الفقه ما يتعلق بدلالات الألفاظ؛ كالعام والخاص والمطلق والمقيد والمجمل والمبين، ونحو ذلك؛ ليحكم بما تقتضيه تلك الدلالات.
6 - أن يكون عنده قدرة يتمكن بها من استنباط الأحكام من أدلتها.

والاجتهاد قد يتجزأ فيكون في باب واحد من أبواب العلم، أو في مسألة من مسائله.

ما يلزم المجتهد:

يلزم المجتهد أن يبذل جهده في معرفة الحق، ثم يحكم بما ظهر له فإن أصاب فله أجران:

أجر على اجتهاده، وأجر على إصابة الحق؛ لأن في إصابة الحق إظهاراً له وعملاً به، وإن أخطأ فله أجر واحد، والخطأ مغفور له؛ لقوله صلّى الله عليه وسلّم: "إذا حكم الحاكم فاجتهد، ثم أصاب فله أجران، وإذا حكم فاجتهد، ثم أخطأ فله أجر"(63) .
وإن لم يظهر له الحكم وجب عليه التوقف، وجاز التقليد حينئذٍ للضرورة.

[Sulaiman84]

:salam:


Just to add, Here's an explanation of Ijtihad/Istimbat from Shaikh Ali Sher Haidri.

http://www.youtube.com/user/hanafifiqh#p/u/4/jBU7znn2Ee4


Also, Maulana Zakariyya Kandhlawi :rahma: dedicated a whole chapter on Ijtihad in Shari'ah and Tariqah and how the Ulama have defined it. It's a good read. Maybe someone can post it up.

[SUPERiMAN]

You don't even know the meaning of ijtihad. And yet you have the audacity to reject opinions of Aimmah e Mujtahideen. On what basis do you reject the ijtihad of the Four Imams?

:insh: we will highlight on what basis these Salafis/Ghair Muqallids/La Madhabis accept and reject opinions

The basis is purely Nafs. They do Taqleed e Nafsi . Whatever pleases the Nafs, it will be accepted and everything else will be rejected.

Do you want the DALEEL? Here we go
[B]
أَفَرَءَيۡتَ مَنِ ٱتَّخَذَ إِلَـٰهَهُ ۥ هَوَٮٰهُ وَأَضَلَّهُ ٱللَّهُ عَلَىٰ عِلۡمٍ۬ وَخَتَمَ عَلَىٰ سَمۡعِهِۦ وَقَلۡبِهِۦ وَجَعَلَ عَلَىٰ بَصَرِهِۦ غِشَـٰوَةً۬ فَمَن يَہۡدِيهِ مِنۢ بَعۡدِ ٱللَّهِ*ۚ أَفَلَا تَذَكَّرُونَ

So, have you seen him who has taken his desires as his god, and Allah has let him go astray, despite having knowledge, and has sealed his ear and his heart, and put a cover on his eye? Now who will guide him after Allah? Still, do you not take lesson? [Surah Al Jathiyah - Mufti Taqi Usmani translation]

Commentary from Maariful Quran [Vol 7 page 777 Eng version]

("Have you seen him who has taken his desires as his god ... 45:23) In other words, he who has made his selfish desires his object of worship. Obviously, no unbeliever claims that his desires are his object of worship. Keeping this in view, this verse of the Qur'an indicates that 'worship' actually means 'obedience'. Thus anyone who undertakes to obey someone against the obedience of Allah makes him the object of his worship instead of Allah. There are people who ignore what Allah has declared lawful and unlawful or what He has permitted and what has forbidden. People who do not care what Allah has forbidden and follow their whims and fancies, their desires are their god, in this sense, although they may not have uttered it by word of mouth. The same theme has been verified by an 'Arif:

"My forehead has swollen by prostrating before the statues of beauty, although I claim to profess the religion of Islam."

In this couplet, the poet has portrayed selfish desires as statues. He who takes his desires as his leader and follows them is as good as their worshipper that is why they have been described as their deities.

Sayyidna Abu 'Umamah :anhu: narrates that the Messenger of Allah :saw: said:
"Of all the deities worshipped under the firmament of the earth, the most detestable one in the sight of Allah is hawa, that is, selfish desires.

Sayyidna Shaddad Ibn 'Aws :anhu: narrates that the Messenger of Allah :saw: said:
"A wise person is he who keeps his desires under control and works for life after death; and sinful is he who runs after his desires and yet expects the best in the Hereafter."

Sayyidna Sahl Ibn 'Abdullah Tustari :rahma: said: 'Your ailment is your selfish desires. And if you oppose them, it will turn into your cure." (All these narratives have been adapted from Qurtubi).

[SUPERiMAN]

:alhamd: i have memorised the Quran and i'm privately studying from two Alims. One is a Nadwi and the other is a Qasmi. Both have spent a year in Jamaat, are active in the local effort and are bait to Leading Shaikhs of Tasawwuf.

Whatever is posted is checked with either of my teachers.

[SUPERiMAN]

Madhabs simplified

What are Madhabs? The differences WITHIN Sahabah :anhum:. In other words, the differences in the furu of Ibadat [Worship], Muamalat [Dealings] and Muasharat [Society] among the 4 Madhabs [Schools of Thought] are in essence the difference amongst the Sahabah :anhum:.

What are Sects/Firqahs? The differences WITH Sahabah :anhum:. Please refer to the differences of the Khawarij, Mu'tazilah, Shi'ah, Rafidah etc WITH the Sahabah :anhum:.

NOT a single Sahabi :anhu: was a Kahriji, Mu'tazili, Shi'i, Rafidi etc

:salam:

[junfrared]

:alhamd: i have memorised the Quran and i'm privately studying from two Alims. One is a Nadwi and the other is a Qasmi. Both have spent a year in Jamaat, are active in the local effort and are bait to Leading Shaikhs of Tasawwuf.

Whatever is posted is checked with either of my teachers.

You are wasting your time on wrong guy. I am Muqlid of Imam Abu Hanifah in a/c to YOUR definition. Read my all post to understand me.

Professional Scholar doesn’t spent YEARS in Jamaat, it is indicating they don't have strong command over Shriyyate. Also Jamaat has many Share' problems. It have been refuted by many Deobandi Ullamas on those issues, including by Most prominent Deobandi Mufti of over time Mufti Abdusshakoor Trimidhi r.a.

Also recently they have been refuted in Shah Rae Tabligh (The Path of Preaching) by very very long list of Very Great Deobandi Ullamas.

The "bait of Tawsuf" is bidat a/c most scholar, b/c it is not exist in the period of Prophet saw, and then in the period of Pious Caliphs, and then in the period of Taba'een (the students of Sahabah), and then in the period of Taba' Taba'een (The students of students of Sahabah). There was only "bait Khilafat" exist.

The "Bait Islam" or "Bait Towbah" is unique to Prophet saw, b/c after him it was not done by any Sahabi nor after the period of Sahabah, i.e. the periods of Taba'een or Taba' Taba'een. Therefore it is completely bidat to do Bait-e-Tawsuf.

There is Sufiyyah's chain of Bait exist, which leads to Prophet saw, but it completely HARAM to use it, A/c to GREAT SUFI SHEIKH "ABNE ARABI" (which MOST reputable Sufi among the Sufiyyah but he is Zindeeq/Kafir a/c to almost all scholars) this chain is made by Sufiyyah in much later period of Sufiyyah in the inspiration chain of Ahadeeth (or in jealousy of Muhadeethen).

And most simple evidence of that it is (means that chain) don't exist in the Primary books of Ahadeeth (which are the exhaustive collections deeds of Prophet, and Sahabah).

Otherwise I can also pick most suitable narrators from books of "Asam war Rijal", and can make a chain which lead to Prophet saw, any can say it is done by Prophet, that is done by Pious Caliph........but I can't put this lie in the Primary or Secondary books of Ahadeeth b/c they have been disseminated long before me and my Mawozu' chain. Same is case of that chain that was created long after the dissemination of Primary or Secondary books of Ahadeeth, therefore that lie don't exist in authentic resources i.e. Quran wa Hadith.

But the peoples who aren't strong in Shirah knowledge, they say it is done my Prophet, which wrong argument, as I have mentioned above. They also say, it done by Pious Caliphs and Sahabah, and they say they have its "secret chain", (like secret chains of Shia which are not exist in books of Ahadeeth, but their Imams know them), but I already mentioned it HARAM, to acknowledge, or use these type of "Batini" things. After all this they say we don't say it is obligatory. Then we say You have already DECLEAED it sunnat, and to consider any thing Sunnat which is not a Sunnat automatically make it BIDAAT or HARAM.

[SUPERiMAN]

You are wasting your time on wrong guy. I am Muqlid of Imam Abu Hanifah in a/c to YOUR definition. Read my all post to understand me.

Professional Scholar doesn’t spent YEARS in Jamaat, it is indicating they don't have strong command over Shriyyate. Also Jamaat has many Share' problems. It have been refuted by many Deobandi Ullamas on those issues, including by Most prominent Deobandi Mufti of over time Mufti Abdusshakoor Trimidhi r.a.

Also recently they have been refuted in Shah Rae Tabligh (The Path of Preaching) by very very long list of Very Great Deobandi Ullamas.

The "bait of Tawsuf" is bidat a/c most scholar, b/c it is not exist in the period of Prophet saw, and then in the period of Pious Caliphs, and then in the period of Taba'een (the students of Sahabah), and then in the period of Taba' Taba'een (The students of students of Sahabah). There was only "bait Khilafat" exist.

The "Bait Islam" or "Bait Towbah" is unique to Prophet saw, b/c after him it was not done by any Sahabi nor after the period of Sahabah, i.e. the periods of Taba'een or Taba' Taba'een. Therefore it is completely bidat to do Bait-e-Tawsuf.

There is Sufiyyah's chain of Bait exist, which leads to Prophet saw, but it completely HARAM to use it, A/c to GREAT SUFI SHEIKH "ABNE ARABI" (which MOST reputable Sufi among the Sufiyyah but he is Zindeeq/Kafir a/c to almost all scholars) this chain is made by Sufiyyah in much later period of Sufiyyah in the inspiration chain of Ahadeeth (or in jealousy of Muhadeethen).

And most simple evidence of that it is (means that chain) don't exist in the Primary books of Ahadeeth (which are the exhaustive collections deeds of Prophet, and Sahabah).

Otherwise I can also pick most suitable narrators from books of "Asam war Rijal", and can make a chain which lead to Prophet saw, any can say it is done by Prophet, that is done by Pious Caliph........but I can't put this lie in the Primary or Secondary books of Ahadeeth b/c they have been disseminated long before me and my Mawozu' chain. Same is case of that chain that was created long after the dissemination of Primary or Secondary books of Ahadeeth, therefore that lie don't exist in authentic resources i.e. Quran wa Hadith.

But the peoples who aren't strong in Shirah knowledge, they say it is done my Prophet, which wrong argument, as I have mentioned above. They also say, it done by Pious Caliphs and Sahabah, and they say they have its "secret chain", (like secret chains of Shia which are not exist in books of Ahadeeth, but their Imams know them), but I already mentioned it HARAM, to acknowledge, or use these type of "Batini" things. After all this they say we don't say it is obligatory. Then we say You have already DECLEAED it sunnat, and to consider any thing Sunnat which is not a Sunnat automatically make it BIDAAT or HARAM.

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Imam Abu Hanifa :rahma: would have been proud of you. :mash: what a muqallid i have. Does not know Arabic, Quran, Hadith and what not. But his verdicts put all the Aimmah to shame.

Bravo! Intel Outside Mental Inside

SiM

[SUPERiMAN]

Please dont feel offended.

there is a saying in Urdu

Laton ke bhoot baton se nahin mante

a person who can only understand the language of beatings cannot be counselled by words.

[junfrared]

:lol:

Imam Abu Hanifa :rahma: would have been proud of you. :mash: what a muqallid i have. Does not know Arabic, Quran, Hadith and what not. But his verdicts put all the Aimmah to shame.

Bravo! Intel Outside Mental Inside

SiM

I don't understand how could "Ibne Aarbi" becomes "All Aimmah"

Which Aimmahs do Bait Tasawuf? You have nothing but wasting your time in irrelevant idioms

I have mentioned everything detail. Now you can do research.

Note: Tazkihah Batin is Farz, obligatroy, it has been done and demonstrated my Prophet saw, Sahabas, Taba'eens and Taba' Taba'eens. But conventional Tawaufi Rituals are Bidat like Peeri Mureedi, Bait Taswuf, Khilafate (Sufi) etc.

Yes I don't know how to distort the Quran, by tampering "Paths" into "Four Madhab"

Wa Salam