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[IrshadAhmad]

Assalam u Alaikum,

I am so much confused with the ongoing debates regarding Bareliyat, Deobandiyat and Ahle-hadeesiyat. Whenever i listen the Ulema of different groups they are always trying to prove themselves "the rightly guided" and creating so much confusion among general masses, All of them present proof from Qur'aan and Hadith and also present views of great scholors to weigh their answers. Under such circumstances how can a layman like me, judge things...( Instead of getting islamic knowledge, i am getting confused and availibity of too much literature, Islamic websites and Islamic TV channels instead of making good muslims create hatred among Muslims....

[umar_italy]

Assalam u Alaikum,

I am so much confused with the ongoing debates regarding Bareliyat, Deobandiyat and Ahle-hadeesiyat. Whenever i listen the Ulema of different groups they are always trying to prove themselves "the rightly guided" and creating so much confusion among general masses, All of them present proof from Qur'aan and Hadith and also present views of great scholors to weigh their answers. Under such circumstances how can a layman like me, judge things...( Instead of getting islamic knowledge, i am getting confused and availibity of too much literature, Islamic websites and Islamic TV channels instead of making good muslims create hatred among Muslims....

:ws:

Make du'a', ask Allah to guide you and give you the right understanding of Din.
Every other answer from my side would obviously be biased.

[ahamed_sharif]

Assalam u Alaikum,

I am so much confused with the ongoing debates regarding Bareliyat, Deobandiyat and Ahle-hadeesiyat. Whenever i listen the Ulema of different groups they are always trying to prove themselves "the rightly guided" and creating so much confusion among general masses, All of them present proof from Qur'aan and Hadith and also present views of great scholors to weigh their answers. Under such circumstances how can a layman like me, judge things...( Instead of getting islamic knowledge, i am getting confused and availibity of too much literature, Islamic websites and Islamic TV channels instead of making good muslims create hatred among Muslims....

Assalamu alaykum

There were less confusions in deen before Islamic TV channels and internet.

Allahumma arinal haqqa haqqaun wa warzuqnattiba'a. wa arinal baatila baatilaun warzuqnajtinaba.

Yaa muqallibal quloob, thabbith qalbi alaa deenik, yaa musarrifal quloob, sarrif qalbi alaa deenik.

Allahumma waaqiathan ka waaqiatal waleed.


Brother, even christians, athiest, buddhist, bahais have their arguments. Rejectors of hadeeth have their arguments, rejectors of fiqh have their arguments, innovators have their arguments. But always their is a group on haq. So make dua to reach to this group.

[IrshadAhmad]

Jazkallah Khair....Brother if I ask you,have you find the group of Haq and if yes, please giude me how you have reached them... Thank You...

[At Tayyib]

Jazkallah Khair....Brother if I ask you,have you find the group of Haq and if yes, please giude me how you have reached them... Thank You...

Finding the group on Haq is simple. The group which is connected with Al-Haq Jalla Jallaluhu is on the Haq.

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[Bro Hasan]

I feel the best way to check if someone is on haq is by measuring him against the Sunnah and the way of the Messenger of Allah (saw).

[Live for Islam]

:salam:,

:insh:, if you listen to the following talk by Shaykh Hasan Ali on "So, who's right", you will find it really beneficial.

"So, Who's Right?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHkFkknENhk) - Talk by Shaykh Hasan Ali

[IrshadAhmad]

This is the actual problem...I said evrybody is proclaiming that we are on the right path and presenting proof's from Qur'aan and Ahadith, now how can You judge them.....to you which is that group (Connected to Al-Haq)

[zahed73]

:salam:

May be this will help you.

Most differences are with matters that has nothing to do with the Fard , five rokons and principles of islamic practice . Concentrate on these .

Like everything else in life a realistic approach should be moderate and stage by stage .

You can not expect to understand Islam within a short time , most likely it will take you your whole life. Knowledge of Islam is such there is always a new door for you to enter once you complete the previous . Also remember its not just ILM but AMAL also .

Making the knowledge you learn effective in your life is the real challenge.

So leave the matters that are polarized and in the extreme corners if you
can imagine a geometric shape and concentrate on the middle.

The truth is made easy and accessible for all by Allah :taala:so you need
to listen with your heart as well as your ears.

I am assuming you understand the basic difference of fundamentals .
You understand what Ahle Sunnat wal Jamat stands for .
Assuming you are talking about differences within that boundary .
Have faith in Allah he will help you.

:hawla:

[muslimsister101]

Assalam u Alaikum,

I am so much confused with the ongoing debates regarding Bareliyat, Deobandiyat and Ahle-hadeesiyat. Whenever i listen the Ulema of different groups they are always trying to prove themselves "the rightly guided" and creating so much confusion among general masses, All of them present proof from Qur'aan and Hadith and also present views of great scholors to weigh their answers. Under such circumstances how can a layman like me, judge things...( Instead of getting islamic knowledge, i am getting confused and availibity of too much literature, Islamic websites and Islamic TV channels instead of making good muslims create hatred among Muslims....

This is so true...maybe we need to just call ourselves Muslims and not get into all the confusion with the different sects...and calling ourselves other names.For new Muslims it must really be confusing.

[zahed73]

This is the actual problem...I said evrybody is proclaiming that we are on the right path and presenting proof's from Qur'aan and Ahadith, now how can You judge them.....to you which is that group (Connected to Al-Haq)

I have one other request for you , please gather knowledge ILM on the following three words before anything else . This will solve all your problems.

IKHLAS IKHLAS IKHLAS

[umar_italy]

This is so true...maybe we need to just call ourselves Muslims and not get into all the confusion with the different sects...and calling ourselves other names.For new Muslims it must really be confusing.

:salam:

No one really goes around calling himself something other than Muslims; names are just ways of differentiating oneself from deviant sects or to show one's affiliation in legitimate differences of opinion.
The problem is not with names and tags, the problem is in the substance (i.e. people actually deviating from correct Aqa'id and methodology, even if they go around saying "we're just Muslims, nothing else).

[mimranhamid]

Asslam o laikum,
Dhai ap kisi b alim (jo current period k hain) ki book na perho jo sirf apnay ap ko sei kehtay hn. ap sirf quran pak perho or us pr aml krna shuru kr do. or ahadees b perho un p b aml shuru kr do. ap ko kisi ko follow krnay ki
zruret e nei rehay gi. Sirf Quran or Sunnah ko follow kro.

[بنت ارشد]

I would to share my my own experience.I was born in a family following hanfi fiqh (debandi).I moved to anther city during my childhood where mostly people do not follow only fiqh rather they consider teachings of all 4 Imam.They promote their belief through media, conducting conference.At that time I was studying I never went through deep study what they are saying is correct or wrong.I finished studies I have enough time to study these.Slowly I started realizing why I am seeing these dawah lecture,It is not befitting me , seeing on T.V screens also those who are accepting Islam they like islam or they are attracted by these huge crowd and big stages with live telecast.
Few days back I had attended tqreer of famous molana (deobandi) and he was telling story of his teacher who is off ,what kind of taqwa he had and how one man (who is powerful person accepted islam) because of his taqwa.I was very inspired.
I started more search related to my madhhab and answers of those questions which they used to criticize.I found my madhab best.

[llll3g3nd]

I am a new member here, when i was making account i was thinking that the the field of madhhab should be replaced by school of thought( its written below the field though). I also belong to Hanafi school of thought,

[IrshadAhmad]

Walaikum Assalam....Bhai this is another confusion created by Islamic media to read & understand Qur'aan aur Hadees by one's own and try to find out the solutions for one's problems.My dear brother there is Quranic verse the meaning of which is "There are people who read Quran & go astray" like Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani who interpret things by his own understanding & went straight to deep darkness. Imam A'ine (RA) wrote 21 volumes commentary on Sahi Bukhari and Imam Asqalani (RA) wrote 17 volumes on Sahi Bukhari but at the end both of them siad that there are certain Ahadees which we could not be able to understand, this is the status of these great Muhdaseen.How can a layman claims that by reading just the translated versions of Quraan & Hadees and he/she does not need anyone to follow. Quraan o Hadees ko samjhna ek aam Musalmaan key leye aasan nahi hai....jab physics, chemistry, biology etc (Insaani qalaam ) padhne key ley humme teachers ki zurorat hai toh Quraan o Hadees ko samajhne key leye Teachers or Mentors or Scholors ki baihad zaroorat hai..


Asslam o laikum,
Dhai ap kisi b alim (jo current period k hain) ki book na perho jo sirf apnay ap ko sei kehtay hn. ap sirf quran pak perho or us pr aml krna shuru kr do. or ahadees b perho un p b aml shuru kr do. ap ko kisi ko follow krnay ki
zruret e nei rehay gi. Sirf Quran or Sunnah ko follow kro.

[abdulwahhab]

:salam:

Find the people with the best akhlaaq and ikhlaas in their a'maal. It should be clear to you that the ulama of haq don't like to show off, don't curse and insult without necessity, and they are very stringent when it comes to adhering to the sunnah. These ulama also don't like to talk about takfeer all the time nor are they crazed in making takfeer against anyone and everyone nor do they focus on emphasizing differences.

[bugmenot]

Allahumma arinal haqqa haqqaun wa warzuqnattiba'a. wa arinal baatila baatilaun warzuqnajtinaba.
Yaa muqallibal quloob, thabbith qalbi alaa deenik, yaa musarrifal quloob, sarrif qalbi alaa deenik.

Aamine.

Wassalamu 'alaykum.

[llll3g3nd]

Walaikum Assalam....Bhai this is another confusion created by Islamic media to read & understand Qur'aan aur Hadees by one's own and try to find out the solutions for one's problems.My dear brother there is Quranic verse the meaning of which is "There are people who read Quran & go astray" like Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani who interpret things by his own understanding & went straight to deep darkness. Imam A'ine (RA) wrote 21 volumes commentary on Sahi Bukhari and Imam Asqalani (RA) wrote 17 volumes on Sahi Bukhari but at the end both of them siad that there are certain Ahadees which we could not be able to understand, this is the status of these great Muhdaseen.How can a layman claims that by reading just the translated versions of Quraan & Hadees and he/she does not need anyone to follow. Quraan o Hadees ko samjhna ek aam Musalmaan key leye aasan nahi hai....jab physics, chemistry, biology etc (Insaani qalaam ) padhne key ley humme teachers ki zurorat hai toh Quraan o Hadees ko samajhne key leye Teachers or Mentors or Scholors ki baihad zaroorat hai..


We learn science from teachers, but one day we our self become teachers of science. So same should go for religion, one should try to learn it and try not be a layman forever. The biggest problem is to find a good spiritual teacher. So easiest way is to read old books, read tafseer written by arabs and translated to urdu or english.
I personally think that the best person can be the imam e KABA and imam e masjid e Nabwi(S.A.W) to follow, so we should also study what their believes are.

[IrshadAhmad]

We learn science from teachers, but one day we our self become teachers of science. So same should go for religion, one should try to learn it and try not be a layman forever. The biggest problem is to find a good spiritual teacher. So easiest way is to read old books, read tafseer written by arabs and translated to urdu or english.
I personally think that the best person can be the imam e KABA and imam e masjid e Nabwi(S.A.W) to follow, so we should also study what their believes are.

Assalam U Alaikum...

Alhumdulillah,,, You have accepted that we need teachers to learn Qur'an o Hadees that too must be from this age and also You have accepted that we need to follow someone as You personally feel that best person to follow can be the Imams of Haramein. We see in this world how many students enrol themselves in colleges and universities and how many of them become scholors of sciences & it is well established fact. Same rule has Applied By Allah Azzawajal that everyone will not be able to become Islamic scholors. Allah Azzawajal procliam in Sura 4 : Verse 83
" If they had referred it to the Messenger and to those of authority among them, then those of them whose task it is to find it out would have known the matter"
From this verse it is clear that everyone will not be given authority and that everyone will not be able to find out the solutions.
For this reason we should have to accept that just by reading translated versions of Qur'an o Hadees cant give us authority to draw results by our own & We cant become Islamic scholors.... Also if you see the most prominent and leading scholors were the followers of Four Imams..Imam Ibn kathir (RA) was follower of Imam Shafa'i (RA), Imam Suyuti (RA) was follower of Imam Shafa'i, Imam Yusuf (RA) follower of Imam Abu Haniefa (RA), Imam Bukhari & Imam Muslim (RA) were followers of Imam Shafa'i.......I dont know the Madhab (School of thought) of Imams of Haramein but majority of people of Saudi were and are following the Madhab of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (RA).