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muslimsister101
12-03-2012, 08:59 PM
Bismillah

This is what I have read in one of the books about one of the saints of Islam...on the Majlis website,in the book section.I don't recall which book it was.

Do anyone have more knowledge of this...I would greatly appreciate it.

In this book twin souls are describe as one soul divided in two bodies...and the twin souls are very much alike.And it said that the Prophet[saws] and Abubakr were twin souls.

Only those who have knowledge of this respond.JazakAllah kyran

naqshbandiosmanli
13-03-2012, 10:55 AM
Bismillah

This is what I have read in one of the books about one of the saints of Islam...on the Majlis website,in the book section.I don't recall which book it was.

Do anyone have more knowledge of this...I would greatly appreciate it.

In this book twin souls are describe as one soul divided in two bodies...and the twin souls are very much alike.And it said that the Prophet[saws] and Abubakr were twin souls.

Only those who have knowledge of this respond.JazakAllah kyran

Salaam alaikum sister,

You were probably reading from Mashaaikh i-Chist of Shaikh Zakariyya Kandhlawi rahmatullah alaih.

This uniting of the souls is through Ittihaadi Tawajjuh, and this is what happened when the Angel Jibreel (as) embraced the Prophet salallahu alaihi wa salim (they became united): Shaikh Zakariyya writes;

The commentators have tendered a variety of reasons for the Angel’s embrace. However, in his Tafseer, Hadhrat Shah Abdul Aziz presents a subtle interpretation. He says that the purpose of the embrace was to transfer angelic ability and power to Rasulullah (صلى الله عايه وسالم). Regarding such transference of spiritual and celestial energy and ability, known to the Masha-ikh as Tawajjuh, there are four kinds:
1. In’iqaasi (Reflectory): An example of this kind of Tawajjuh is that of a person who has applied an abundance of perfume. He transfers his fragrance to the gathering in which he happens to be. However, the effect of the fragrance will remain as long as he is present in the gathering. This is, therefore, the weakest form of Tawajjuh.
2. Ilqaa-i (Inspirational): Its example is like a person preparing a lamp for lighting. He cleans the lamp, fills the oil and lights it. This type has greater efficacy than he first kind. The effect remains even after the departure of the one who effected the Tawajjuh. However, a slight impediment terminates it.
3. Islaahi (Reformatory): This is like a huge mass of water having accumulated in a place and a pathway is dug for the water. The flow of the water along its course will wash away slight obstacles. But if the course is blocked off at some place the flow of the water down its course will be blocked. This type is stronger than the first two kinds.
4. Ittihaadi (Unification): In this type of Tawajjuh, the Shaikh diffuses his rooh into the rooh of the mureed to such a degree that both souls are united into a single soul. It is quite obvious that this form of Tawajjuh is the strongest. As a result of the unification of the two souls, the mureed is not in need of repeatedly seeking spiritual gain. The Sufiyaa regard this form of Tawajjuh to be of great importance although its incidence is rare.... It was this type of Tawajjuh Ittihaadi which Jibraeel (alayhis salaam) cast on Rasulullah (صلى الله عايه وسالم) with his embrace.


The Shaikh continues later on;

Once Rasulullah (صلى الله عايه وسالم) came unexpectedly out of his home. It was neither his normal practice to come out at this time nor would anyone visit him at this hour. Suddenly, Hadhrat Abu Bakr (radhiyallahu anhu) appeared on the scene. When Nabi-e-Akram (صلى الله عايه وسالم) enquired of his coming at this unexpected hour, Hadhrat Abu Bakr (radhiyallahu anhu) said:
“I have come to greet and visit the Beauty which adorns the universe.”
The high degree of compatibility which existed between Hadhrat Abu Bakr (radhiyallahu anhu) and Nabi-e-Akram (صلى الله عايه وسالم) rendered them a single soul in two physical bodies. Rasulullah’s unexpected emergence exercised a spiritual influence on Hadhrat Abu Bakr, hence he too came out unexpectedly.
This spiritual unity with Rasulullah (صلى الله عايه وسالم) is the prime factor for the Khilaafat of Abu Bakr immediately succeeding the Nubuwwat of Muhammad (صلى الله عايه وسالم).

This can happen today also, if the Shaikh is kamil and the mureed is strong enough, otherwise it can result in the mureed dying.

muslimsister101
13-03-2012, 03:40 PM
JazakAllah kyran brother for all this fascinating information.Unfortunately I just don't remember the name of the book I had read.I wish I had wrote it down...Marsha Allah

What I do recall was what I mention before in the beginning of this thread, and it sound different then what you are describing.Although what you have describe is also plausible and accurate.

I was thinking perhaps we all have a twin soul whos destiny is intertwine or very similar to our own...And Allah knows best.

Wa Salaam

muslimsister101
13-03-2012, 10:02 PM
[A interesting story]


Name: Maymunah as-Sawda'
Status: Successor (Tabi'iyyah)
Location: Kufah, Iraq

al-Fudayl bin 'Iyad narrated:

'Abdul-Wahid bin Zayd said: "I asked Allah - the Mighty and Majestic - for three nights in a row to show me my future companion in Paradise in a dream, so in my dream, I heard a caller saying: "O 'Abdul-Wahid! Your companion in Paradise is Maymunah as-Sawda'." So, I asked: "And where is she now?" The voice replied: "She is among such-and-such a tribe in Kufah."

So, I went out to Kufah and asked about her, so I was told: "She is among us, and she takes care of the livestock." So, I said: "I wish to see her." I was taken to the place where she was, and found her standing in prayer with a walking stick to support her. She was wearing a wool cloak, with a sign written on it that said: "Not to be bought or sold." ِAlso, the sheep that she was supposed to be caring for were surrounded by wolves. However, the wolves were not trying to attack the sheep, and the sheep were not afraid of the wolves.

When she saw me, she ended her prayer and said to me: "Go back, Ibn Zayd. Our meeting place is not here. Rather, it is later on (in the Hereafter)."

I said to her:"May Allah have Mercy upon you! Who told you that I am Ibn Zayd?"

She said: "I know that the souls are like a unified army, so the souls that go together are one, and the souls that differ from each other are divided."

I said to her: "Advise me."

She said: "Strange! An admonisher who wishes to be admonished? O Ibn Zayd, it has been related to me that a servant is not given anything of this worldly life and wished for more of it, except that Allah ceases to allow that servant to love Him and desire Him, and He exchanges the closeness that he had with Him for distance..." Then she recited:

O admonisher! The accounting has begun * To drive the people away from sin

You forbid others while you are the one who is truly ill * This is indeed a strange evil

If you had rectified yourself beforehand * Your mistakes and repented recently

Then - my dear - what you you said * Would have had a position of truth in the heart

You warn against temptation and excess * While you yourself are in a state of doubt"

I then said to her: "I see these wolves with the sheep, but the sheep do not run away from the wolves, and the wolves do not try to eat the sheep! What is this?"

She said: "This is a sign to you from me: since I made peace between my Master and I, He made peace between the wolves and the sheep."
['Sifatus-Safwah; 2/115]

This story is taken from:

[ Sifat as Safwah by ibn al Jawzi,]

Salaf stories

kakarot_999
14-03-2012, 09:43 AM
Why is this the first time I'm hearing this? Is it because it's a bida'ah? Or a wrong understanding? Seriously, when you hear something like this from a pseudo-scholar who has not been supported by the ijma' of the major scholars, why should you believe in it? Unless it's a personal issue about which fulaan you believe more because he is part of your upbringing and culture and your parents would read him to you, in which case you can keep it between you and Allah.

muslimsister101
14-03-2012, 01:59 PM
Why is this the first time I'm hearing this? Is it because it's a bida'ah? Or a wrong understanding? Seriously, when you hear something like this from a pseudo-scholar who has not been supported by the ijma' of the major scholars, why should you believe in it? Unless it's a personal issue about which fulaan you believe more because he is part of your upbringing and culture and your parents would read him to you, in which case you can keep it between you and Allah.

Which are you referring to? I don't understand your point.

And I feel we should be able to ask any question we want...if you don't know the answer or have not heard about it doesnt mean that someone else haven't.

JazakAllah kyran

kakarot_999
14-03-2012, 02:12 PM
Which are you referring to? I don't understand your point.

And I feel we should be able to ask any question we want...if you don't know the answer or have not heard about it doesnt mean that someone else haven't.

JazakAllah kyran

Well considering that many people started believing in it, I think I should just point it out that I haven't heard any such thing from shiekhs who have described Abubakr RA and his qualities.

naqshbandiosmanli
15-03-2012, 09:31 AM
Well considering that many people started believing in it, I think I should just point it out that I haven't heard any such thing from shiekhs who have described Abubakr RA and his qualities.

Salaam,

It doesnt matter that an ignorant individual such as yourself hasn't heard anything in regards to the deen, as you are an ignorant individual. You say psuedo-scholar in regards to Shaikh ul-Hadith Muhammad Zakariyya Kandhlawi? You are psuedo human being, or less. I will not tolerate insults against the awilya of Allah and His ulama. You should shut your filthy mouth in this regard as you will only gain a seat in hellfire for such foulness.

naqshbandiosmanli
15-03-2012, 09:40 AM
Which are you referring to? I don't understand your point.

And I feel we should be able to ask any question we want...if you don't know the answer or have not heard about it doesnt mean that someone else haven't.

JazakAllah kyran

salaam sister,

Don't let this misguided individual who has no shame when speaking of the scholars of this ummah deter you from asking questions. The only way you will learn is by asking questions, so keep asking questions until the day you die. And if someone tells you something or you read something that you're not sure about, ask. There is nothing wrong with asking.

Take example from this person, one thing we should always do is try to take a lesson from things we see. This person, in his first statement said, "Why have I never heard of this?" This is excellent, and we should all ask ourselves, and the answer we give ourselves should be "because we are ignorant and must learn." The assumption should always be that we don't know. This person however assumes because he never heard of it, it must be bidah, or a misunderstanding coming a "psuedo-scholar", astaghfirullah. You see the rudeness contained in his words, this is not like the Prophet salallahu alaihi wa salim. So take lesson sister, and just ignore this type of person. They harm themselves and others.

kakarot_999
15-03-2012, 07:36 PM
salaam sister,

Don't let this misguided individual who has no shame when speaking of the scholars of this ummah deter you from asking questions. The only way you will learn is by asking questions, so keep asking questions until the day you die. And if someone tells you something or you read something that you're not sure about, ask. There is nothing wrong with asking.

Take example from this person, one thing we should always do is try to take a lesson from things we see. This person, in his first statement said, "Why have I never heard of this?" This is excellent, and we should all ask ourselves, and the answer we give ourselves should be "because we are ignorant and must learn." The assumption should always be that we don't know. This person however assumes because he never heard of it, it must be bidah, or a misunderstanding coming a "psuedo-scholar", astaghfirullah. You see the rudeness contained in his words, this is not like the Prophet salallahu alaihi wa salim. So take lesson sister, and just ignore this type of person. They harm themselves and others.

When I said pseudo scholars I wasn't really talking about anyone in specific, just people who give certain people statuses which they don't deserve e.g. being able to derive a fatwa or the like. It's not really targetted at the "scholars" themselves (most of them are really great people) but at those who claim they are. I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. And I'm sorry if I said anything that may have offended anyone. I'm not really offended by your words because it's quite typical from people who don't agree with my words, like naqshbandis, barelwis, etc.

naqshbandiosmanli
16-03-2012, 04:10 AM
When I said pseudo scholars I wasn't really talking about anyone in specific, just people who give certain people statuses which they don't deserve e.g. being able to derive a fatwa or the like. It's not really targetted at the "scholars" themselves (most of them are really great people) but at those who claim they are. I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. And I'm sorry if I said anything that may have offended anyone. I'm not really offended by your words because it's quite typical from people who don't agree with my words, like naqshbandis, barelwis, etc.

I would not have a thought a shameless person would have been offended by anything.

You did not say "pseudo-scholarS" you said when you hear something like this from a pseudo-scholar why should you believe it? Your words are extremely offensive and ignorant, the Shaikh voicing these opinions is Shaikhul Hadith Muhammad Zakariyya Kandhlawi, an elder of Deoband, the writer of the tabligh jamaat Fadaail Amaal, among the pearls of the recent ulama. You should rather ask Allah to forgive you for speaking in such a filthy way in regards to one of His friends. If the naqshbandis and barelvis defend the ulama against the disgusting base talk and slander of the ignorant people, then I am happy to be considered one of them. I will defend the ulama of Deoband until I die insha'allah, as I will defend all the ulama and awliya against filthy brainless comments.