Authenticating hadeeth through kashf/ilhaam

[abdulwahhab]

:salam:

I have recently been told that some narrations from Rasoolullah :saw: that do not have a sanad (i.e. mawdhoo) can be validated through kashf/ilhaam. The Salafis, of course, have an issue with this. But is there any historical precedence, where a well-known and well-respected 'alim of the past has used kashf to authenticate a hadeeth?

[godilali]

I've read quotes from al-Sha'rani, ibn 'Arabi, and some other sufis that seem to indicate the affirmative. I haven't seen them in their original context, so Allah knows best regarded their opinion.

In any case, I find it very disturbing that someone would even ask such a question, as it should be self-evident that this is nothing but pure batil. Sh. Abu Ghuddah very correctly referred to this type of nonsense as speech through which the principles of the sciences of hadith and the deen are destroyed.

وقال الشيخ عبد الفتاح أبو غدة رحمه الله ، في تعليقه على كتاب "المصنوع في معرفة الحديث الموضوع" لعلي القاري "رحمه الله" (ص273): ((ولا يكاد ينقضي عجبي من صنيعه هذا! ـ يعني العجلوني ـ وهو المحدث الذي شرح "صحيح البخاري"، كيف استساغ قبول هذا الكلام الذي تهدر به علوم المحدثين، وقواعد الحديث والدين؟ ويصبح به أمر التصحيح والتضعيف من علماء الحديث شيئاً لا معنى له بالنسبة إلى من يقول: إنه مكاشَف أو يَرى نفسه أنه مكاشَف! ومتى كان لثبوت السنة المطهرة مصدران: النقل الصحيح من المحدثين والكشف من المكاشفين؟! فحذارِ أن تغتر بهذا، والله يتولاك ويرعاك) اهـ.

[TripolySunni]

Salam 'Aleykm,

Authenticating narrations through Kashf or visions or Ilham or dreams is only for those who are classed as deviants, the Imams of deviant sects are known for this type of heresy.

[warea]

A true dream is a part of prophecy. The knowledge obtained throught it is valid unlike what salafis claim. The only factor here being that the knowledge through a true vision is not the same as knowledge from Quran and sunnah. Same goes with scientific and rational knowledge. They are valid but not equivalent to Quran and sunnah. And since a true vision is a personal knowledge not subject to access of others, hence the knowledge through it that someone claims to have received cannot be made an issue by which others are bound to accept it. Its a matter of trust and knowing that they do not contradict the dhaahir of the shariah.

[Shkapar_Dorwaza]

:salam:

I asked my ustadh about this because I remember reading about Imam Suyuti :rahma: and how he would sometimes see a dream of the Prophet :saw: when he would be unsure regarding a hadith. My ustadh mentioned it is possible but the dream itself is not the hujjah for the grading but it gives the muhaddith a direction which allows him to prove that position through knowledge of the sciences of hadith.

And Allah knows best.

[amr123]

:salam:

Also such 'visions'/dreams cannot be trusted because Shaytaan can easily influence such kashf. Only reliable thing is if Rasoolullah :saw: appears in the dream, because Shaytaan cannot enact him. But in hadith sciences such dreams are not taken as 'proofs' as mentioned above.

A 'vision' can easily be influenced by the Shaytaan. There are many accounts of Iblees coming in front of the pious people as vision trying to mislead. There are many narrative that iblees cane to Shaykh Abdul Kader Gilani in a form claiming to be the Rabb and saying shariah is no longer applicable to you, but the Shaykh understood it was iblees. Then the iblees asked how he understood the trick, because he had used the same trick to mislead 70 very pious people.

[abdulwahhab]

I've read quotes from al-Sha'rani, ibn 'Arabi, and some other sufis that seem to indicate the affirmative. I haven't seen them in their original context, so Allah knows best regarded their opinion.

In any case, I find it very disturbing that someone would even ask such a question, as it should be self-evident that this is nothing but pure batil. Sh. Abu Ghuddah very correctly referred to this type of nonsense as speech through which the principles of the sciences of hadith and the deen are destroyed.

وقال الشيخ عبد الفتاح أبو غدة رحمه الله ، في تعليقه على كتاب "المصنوع في معرفة الحديث الموضوع" لعلي القاري "رحمه الله" (ص273): ((ولا يكاد ينقضي عجبي من صنيعه هذا! ـ يعني العجلوني ـ وهو المحدث الذي شرح "صحيح البخاري"، كيف استساغ قبول هذا الكلام الذي تهدر به علوم المحدثين، وقواعد الحديث والدين؟ ويصبح به أمر التصحيح والتضعيف من علماء الحديث شيئاً لا معنى له بالنسبة إلى من يقول: إنه مكاشَف أو يَرى نفسه أنه مكاشَف! ومتى كان لثبوت السنة المطهرة مصدران: النقل الصحيح من المحدثين والكشف من المكاشفين؟! فحذارِ أن تغتر بهذا، والله يتولاك ويرعاك) اهـ.

:salam:

The reason I ask is because I came across an argument about the validity of a narration and the argument came down to basically one person saying that it was authenticated by kashf of so and so scholar. So, I was wondering if such an event has occurred and if such a thing is accepted or ever acceptable. I never knew it was possible for someone to authenticate baseless narrations based on mere kashf.

[UntoldTruth]

:salam:

I have recently been told that some narrations from Rasoolullah :saw: that do not have a sanad (i.e. mawdhoo) can be validated through kashf/ilhaam. The Salafis, of course, have an issue with this. But is there any historical precedence, where a well-known and well-respected 'alim of the past has used kashf to authenticate a hadeeth?

The basis of hadith authentication by Kashf in the Quran and Sunnah:

"Then found they one of Our slaves, unto whom We have given mercy from Us, and had taught him knowledge from Our presence."(18:65)

The Prophet (sallahu alayhi wa salam) said, "If you hear a hadith reported from me which your heart recognizes, at which your hair and skin become tender, and you feel that it is near to you: know that I am nearer to it than you. And if you hear a hadith being reported from me of which your heart disapprove, from which your hair and skin recoil, and you feel that it is far from you: know that I am even farther from than you." (Musnad Ahmad, Sahih Hibban, al Bazzar graded Sahih by Ibn Hajar Al Haytami and al Arna'ut)

With that being said, Hadith authentication by Kashf is mainly accepted by Sufis and rejected of jurist and hadith scholars. With that being said, there are some interesting things to be mentioned about this.

While rejected on the basis that such hadith cannot be used for establishing anything legally... Such hadith when used need to have a basis for it in the Quran and authentic hadith (as indicated by Ibn Hajar Asqanlani, Nawawi, Ali Qari and others)

The great shaykh Ibn Arabi authenticated two hadith by way of kashf. One of these hadith although it has a weak isnad, was mentioned by Imam Muslim in his Sahih and by Imam Tirmidhi in Sunan, which indicates saw some strength in the hadith to mention in their collection.

If I have time I'll try and quote this hadith and references...

And Allah knows best...

[godilali]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxI66Ym90qE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORgOkho7zSo