Dr. Tahir ul Qadri and the Minhaj ul Quran moevement

[AbuZayd]

Asalamu alaykum,

Just wanted to know what the users of Sunniforum's views were on Dr. Tahir ul Qadri's movement and Islamic lectures / books.

I know Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi went to visit him in Pakistan and they apparently share some teachers. In addition, I think Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad has met him.

Their website is:

http://www.minhaj.net/home/index.minhaj

And some of his books can be found at:

http://www.research.com.pk/home/fmri/books/index.minhaj


Wasalam.

[Azzam]

From what I know Tahir ul Qadri said pro Musharraf things and pro pakistani (pro american) during the war in Afghanistan. He also at times has spoken out against different types of people.

When he speaks he speaks very violently so many people see him as a good speaker, but then again many people these days are amazing speakers.

I think he is some sort of barelwi who sometimes has his own views, because I have seen some of them condemn him as well.

[muslim786]

I have heard that most lay people kind of like him. But some of the hardest core sunni "barelvi" scholars like Shaykh Orkavi of SouthAfrica, have spoken against him due to the reasons brother Azzam has mentioned, as well as his(Dr Tahir ul Qadir's) apparent pro shia stance, and some other issues, like some issues to do with fiqh and so forth.

[Abu Usama]

Salam,

I havent heard much of Dr. Tahir ul Qadri, except that what i have heard has been good. I'm surprised to read that berelvi ulema condemn him though...

But if someone of the calibre of shaykh Muhammad al Yacoubi can accept invitations from him, then he must be doing something right. Allah knows best.

[Muawiyah]

Has anyone read Dr. Qadri's online book about the Ghadeer incident?

[Abu Usama]

Salam,

whats the ghadeer incident?

[Muawiyah]

Here's the Ansar Foundation's (http://www.ansar.org) article on the Ghadeer Incident (http://www.ansar.org/english/gadeer.htm)

[muslim786]

Not all barelvis dislike Dr Tahir Shaab, its only the Orkavi mullahs and a few others, and its regarding like I said his pro us and pro shia views and some issues to do with fiqh.
They took particular insult to him bigging up Ayatollah Khomeni.
The spiritual master of Dr Tahir Shaab was very higly respected by all.
Well thats what I have heard, like Bro Abu Usaama has said he seems good, and Shaykh Yacobi appears to have no qualms with him either.
The Ghadeer incident was when Prophet Muhamad SAWS said "whoevers Mawla I (SAWS) am, Ali (RA) is their Mawla too. The shia use this prove that the Prophets SAWS wanted Hazrat Ali (RA) to be leader after him. Please read the explanation of this event by Martin Lings in his book about the prophet.

[AbuZayd]

Asalamu alaykum,

Yeah, I've read his book on the Ghadeer Khum incident. He seems to suggest that Abu Bakr r.a. had political leadership whilst Ali r.a. had spiritual leadership.

He says:


Shāh Walī Allāh (ÑÍãÉ Çááå ÊÚÇáì Úáíå) has commented on this division of legacy in the following words:

�Ó æÇÑË ÂäÍÖÑÊ åã ÈÓå ÞÓã ãäÞÓã ÇäÏ, ÝæÑÇËå ÇáÐíä ÃÎÐæÇ ÇáÍßãÉ æ ÇáÚÕãÉ æ ÇáÞØÈíÉ ÇáÈÇØäíÉ, åã Ãåá ÈíÊå æ ÎÇÕÊå, æ æÑÇËå ÇáÐíä ÃÎÐæÇ ÇáÍÝÙ æ ÇáÊáÞíä æ ÇáÞØÈíÉ ÇáÙÇåÑÉ ÇáÅÑÔÇÏíÉ, åã ÃÕÍÇÈå ÇáßÈÇÑ ßÇáÎáÝÇÁ ÇáÃÑÈÚÉ æ ÓÇÆÑ ÇáÚÔÑÉ, æ æÑÇËå ÇáÐíä ÃÎÐæÇ ÇáÚäÇíÇÊ ÇáÌÒÆíÉ æ ÇáÊÞæì æ ÇáÚáã, åã ÃÕÍÇÈå ÇáÐíä áÍÞæÇ ÈÅÍÓÇä ßÃäÓ æ ÃÈí åÑíÑÉ æ ÛíÑåã ãä ÇáãÊÃÎÑíä, ÝåÐå ËáÇËÉ ãÑÇÊÈ ãÊÝÑÚÉ ãä ßãÇá ÎÇÊã ÇáÑÓá Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáã

People who have received the Prophet’s legacy are of three kinds: ‘The first kind is of those who received wisdom, virtuousness and inner enlightenment from him. These are the members of his family and dignitaries. The second group is of those who received the legacy of external blessings from him in the form of virtuousness, religious instruction and manifest guidance. These are his Companions, eg the four (rightly-guided) caliphs and the ten (Companions) who received glad tidings (of paradise from the Prophet Muhammad (Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáã)). The third group is of those who received individual blessings from him in the form of knowledge and piety. These are the people who were steeped in the virtue of selflessness, like Anas and Abū Hurayrah (ÑÖí Çááå ÊÚÇáì ÚäåãÇ), and the people who came later.’ The three forms of legacy owe their origin to the finality of messengership.



Anyways, here is his book:

http://www.research.com.pk/home/fmri/books/eng/ghadir/index.minhaj?id=1



In any case, whilst this book is a bit odd, I found some of his other books quite good - like the one on istighatha and others.


Wasalam.

[muslim786]

Asalamu alaykum,

Yeah, I've read his book on the Ghadeer Khum incident. He seems to suggest that Abu Bakr r.a. had political leadership whilst Ali r.a. had spiritual leadership.

He says:




Anyways, here is his book:

http://www.research.com.pk/home/fmri/books/eng/ghadir/index.minhaj?id=1



In any case, whilst this book is a bit odd, I found some of his other books quite good - like the one on istighatha and others.


Wasalam.

Allhamdulilah he has writen some very good books.

[Shaykhs-Pir Sahib]

as salamu alaykum

he is masha'Allah an immensely knowledgable scholar, no doubt one of the greatest contemporary scholars from the subcontinent... May Allah reward him abundantly..

[Muawiyah]

Has Dr. Qadri spoken of the clear fadhilah of Abu Bakr Siddeeq Radhi Allaahu 'anhu over all the rest of the creation, except Ambiyaa 'alyhimussalaam?

coz I haven't read the whole book, it takes a bit long to load being gif instead of urdu text.

[Ansari]

Asalamu alaykum,

Just wanted to know what the users of Sunniforum's views were on Dr. Tahir ul Qadri's movement and Islamic lectures / books.


Wasalam.
:salam:
A hard reply from Mufti Shah Muhammad Nawal-ur-Rahman
http://shariahboard.com/fatwa/Faith%20&%20Beliefs/2040.php

[Katsa]

SALAM

:snip:

INSH ALLAH MORE SOON...

[Mossy]

Salam

:snip:

Insh Allah more soon...

No individual bashing, jazakhs. Please see rules:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13

[Azzam]

:salam:
A hard reply from Mufti Shah Muhammad Nawal-ur-Rahman
http://shariahboard.com/fatwa/Faith%20&%20Beliefs/2040.php

Very true. Man this guy sounds like Mawlana Masood Azhar, well in that clip atleast.

['Abd al-Mustafa]

In my city in Northern Afghanistan, every 'Alim ud Din regards

Sheikh Tahir ul Qadiri hafaza Allah

with immense respect and love,

I personally found him to be among the best Ummatis alive today,

Such an Immensely knowledgeable person,

comparitively one of the most beautiful, most loving, most considerate contemporary scholars I have ever seen coming out of the Sub Continent

Allah reward him ever more and fulfil his efforts and aims for his noble movement. Ameen

[Mossy]

Br Abd al-Mustafa, would you mind changing your signature? It really raises the ire of other members and it would be best to minimise these outbursts insh'Allah.

['Abd al-Mustafa]

From what I know Tahir ul Qadri said pro Musharraf things and pro pakistani (pro american) during the war in Afghanistan. He also at times has spoken out against different types of people.

When he speaks he speaks very violently so many people see him as a good speaker, but then again many people these days are amazing speakers.

I think he is some sort of barelwi who sometimes has his own views, because I have seen some of them condemn him as well.

I would say you are mixing up all the accusations

keeping his political party positions aside, which I see being misquoted and also out of context

I do not understand the "violence" you are talking about

Do u mean, he shouts or screams?..or does he break tables and scolds on the stage?...or do you mean he sends fatwas on people or insults and violently attacks them on stages?

please elaborate

['Abd al-Mustafa]

Not all barelvis dislike Dr Tahir Shaab, its only the Orkavi mullahs and a few others, and its regarding like I said his pro us and pro shia views and some issues to do with fiqh.
They took particular insult to him bigging up Ayatollah Khomeni.
The spiritual master of Dr Tahir Shaab was very higly respected by all.
Well thats what I have heard, like Bro Abu Usaama has said he seems good, and Shaykh Yacobi appears to have no qualms with him either.
The Ghadeer incident was when Prophet Muhamad SAWS said "whoevers Mawla I (SAWS) am, Ali (RA) is their Mawla too. The shia use this prove that the Prophets SAWS wanted Hazrat Ali (RA) to be leader after him. Please read the explanation of this event by Martin Lings in his book about the prophet.


you have "heard" the accusations,

I think this is again mixing up all the accusations against him if some do indeed exist

The Noble Ulema of Okara spoke against Sheikh Tahir ul Qadiri for only and only ONE REASON

...his pro deobandi stance....how?

he rejects the fatwas of Takfeer on deobandi Scholars

his whole cabinet has declared that these Fatwa of Takfeer must be ignored and that deoband is a legal school of Ahlussunnah

he upheld the shariat when he said that salat behind a deobandi Imam is allowed according to the Hanafi mazhab, and this did not go well with the other scholars

the only people I have heard myself, who say he is pro shia, are deobandi scholars themselves and some ignorant sunnis

the only people I have talked to, myself, who say he is pro American, are his political rivals

for there are many people out there running for politics on pulpits

as for the issues of fiqh, many other Sunni scholars have the same positions as him, but why did the Ulema of Okara not speak against those scholars?

As for Ayatallah Khomeni, numerous other Sunni scholars in the Sub Continent and the Arab world mention him and bring him up on many positive issues, especially here in Afghanistan and I have seen the Okarvi ulema praise Ayatallah Khomeni for his stance on America

Please avoid backbiting especially in Ramazan Shareef.
the person is not here to defend himself


When Sheikh Alawi Maliki Hasani Makki was doing a "chillah" or 40 day stay at the Mazaar of Maula Idris raziallaha anhu, Sheikh Tahir ul Qadiri joined him in a further period of Stay down there in Morocco.

They both spent the nights and days in zikar at the Noble Mazaar, at the feets of our beloved Maula Idris raziallaha anhu

Maula Idris raziallaha anhu spoke to Sheikh Alawi Maliki rahmatallah alaih and advised him on many issues. He spent 40 days of close Company with his great grand father raziallaha anhu

inna lillaha wa inna alaiha rajeoon

Awliya Allah bless their desciples even more from the spiritual world. Their passing away is an even higher blessing

I love you all my brothers

your brother in Islam,

'Abd al-Mustafa

from Kunduz (Northern Afghanistan, next to Mazare Shareef)

[anfaas]

Has Dr. Qadri spoken of the clear fadhilah of Abu Bakr Siddeeq Radhi Allaahu 'anhu over all the rest of the creation, except Ambiyaa 'alyhimussalaam?

coz I haven't read the whole book, it takes a bit long to load being gif instead of urdu text.

Please see Pg 35.

Al Qaul Al Waseeq Fi Manaqibi Siddique :

http://www.research.com.pk/home/fmri/books/ur/arbaeen-siddique/index.minhaj?id=0

wassalam

--anfaas

[Yaseen]

Asalamu'alykum

You can hear Dr Qadri speaking live from the itikaaf gathering in Pakistan on the following link:
http://www.minhaj.tv/en/play-radio.minhaj?Minhaj_ID=Guest&pwde=1095842525&thm=thm2&e=1098912172

Wasalaam

[Allahu Akbar]

Assalamu Alaikum warahmatullahi wabarkatuhu

just wanted everyone to know that most the lectures given at itikaf city by shaikh-ul-Islam, quaid-e-inqilaab, professor, doctor, Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri should be on http://www.minhaj.tv soon insha'Allah and u can also view d latest pics! masha'Allah dey r great! i would advise everyone to check em out! Also please visit http://groups.msn.com/minhajulquran. there is a vast amount of info about Qibla Huzoor and if u do have any questions feel free to ask.

Deen-e-Haq ka hai Wali.....Tahir-ul-Qadri!!!!

jazak'Allah khairan

wassalaam

['Abd al-Mustafa]

assalamu alaikum sister

Me too, I love him a lot too

his live bayaan was beautiful

at least we can access it here live so far away!

Allah Allah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rehanali]

Asalamu alaykum,

Just wanted to know what the users of Sunniforum's views were on Dr. Tahir ul Qadri's movement and Islamic lectures / books.

I know Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi went to visit him in Pakistan and they apparently share some teachers. In addition, I think Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad has met him.

Their website is:

http://www.minhaj.net/home/index.minhaj

And some of his books can be found at:

http://www.research.com.pk/home/fmri/books/index.minhaj


Wasalam.
[QUOTE]what i know about person is that he was used to be a khateeb of nawaz sharif`s mosque. he was just a khateeb and the father of nawaz shareef late mian shareef respected him a lot used to open the door of his whenever he comes to the mosque. he uses the shareef family to get into the politics and making so much moneyn there is a story of him about getting a car as a gift from shareef family and when he turned against his benefector the people sterting using bad language agianst htem he replied that i didn`t asked a car but send me a car on my daughter`s wedding and how could i refused them. and didn`t even attended the namaz-e-janza of late mian shareef. now i think that tells u enough about this man

[rehanali]

[QUOTE]how can u say ya uthman mada.ya ali madad etc.this just a pure shirk and by the way your name is just wrong because you can`t abd al mustafa you can only be a abd Allah shame on you :frown: [snip]

[Hamood]

how can u say ya uthman mada.ya ali madad etc.this just a pure shirk and by the way your name is just wrong because you can`t abd al mustafa you can only be a abd Allah shame on you :frown: [snip]


Here we go again...

By the way brother, your post is irrelevant to this thread. I think the SF rules don't allow posting email addresses either. Anyway the mods are probably coming after you...Just thought I'd advise you beforehand.

[Allahu Akbar]

Assalamu Alaikum brother Rehan Ali

i would just like to let u know that u know Sheikh Yaqoubi from syria, it was his first time goin to pakistan, and the first place he went to was Minhaj-ul-Quran. also he has said that he will be goin to teach specially for the icis students for a week or two. doesn't this show something about Minhaj-ul-Quran and qibla huzoor? Sheikh Yaqoubi is also of the family of The Holy Prophet (saw). anywayz bro u shouldn't believe rumours! and especially wot u hear on media. they are all lies unless u hear it from the man himself!
bro Rehan, i would advise u to read about quaid-e-inqilaab, his work and mission properly then comment on it. surely u will benefit.
May Allah (swt) increase us in knowledge and make peace amongst the Muslim Ummah. Insha'Allah Aameen.

i hope i didnt offend u or anyone else in anyway. if i did please forgive me.

jazak'Allahu khair

wassalaam

[godilali]

"As for Ayatallah Khomeni, numerous other Sunni scholars in the Sub Continent and the Arab world mention him and bring him up on many positive issues, especially here in Afghanistan and I have seen the Okarvi ulema praise Ayatallah Khomeni for his stance on America"

"But it is a fact that whereas his fatwa (religious verdict) of death against Shaitaan Rushdie has earned Khomeini all-round applause and approbation, people are generally not aware that Khomeini himself is guilty of a similar blasphemy. " (Khomeini- Some Facts)~ Kaukab Noorani Okarvi
Basically, Maulana Okarvi, in this article, attempts to prove that Shias, particularly Khomeini are apostates, so it would seem unlikely that the Okarvi ulema praise Khomeini.

[abeer_xyz]

I have taken the following paragraphs from Dr. Tahir-ul-Qadri’s book - Islamic Concept of Intermediation, CHAPTER 2, The Doctrine of Tawassul (In the Light of Qur’ān):

Argument No. 1: Injunction for seeking means of approach

It is commanded by Almighty Allah as the holy Qur’ān states:

“O believers! Fear Allah and seek means (of approach to) His (presence and to His nearness and accessibility) and strive in His way so that you may prosper.”

… The third regulation stresses the search for means of approach. The Qur’ān says, “Seek means (of approach to) His (presence and to His nearness and accessibility).” Some of the religious scholars have interpreted wasīlah (the means of approach) mentioned in the Qur’ānic verse as faith and good deeds while others, who are in the majority, have explained the word as the prophets, the righteous and the favourites of Allah. They argue that the expression ittaqullāh subsumes faith, good deeds and all forms of worship. But the fact is that the verse enjoins upon the believers to search means of approach to Allah’s presence. As far as faith and virtuous acts are the means of drawing close to Allah, the prophets and His favourites are ranked above all others. Thus, Shāh Walī Allah Muhaddith Dihlawī has explained wasīlah as allegiance to the guide[2] while Shāh Ismā‘īl Dihlawī believes that wasīlah is the guide himself. …

Argument No. 2: Search for means of approach is a valid act

The holy Qur’ān has stated in another context:

“Those, whom they worship (that is, the angels, jinn, ‘Īsā (pbuh) and ‘Uzayr (pbuh) etc., - they make their portraits and statues and worship them), they (themselves) seek nearness to their Lord, through those who among them are the nearest (to Allah’s presence), and they (themselves) hope for His mercy, and (themselves) fear His punishment. (Now you tell how can they deserve to be worshipped, they themselves are bowing before the truthful Lord.) Surely, the punishment of your Lord is a thing to be feared.”

… This Qur’ānic verse clarifies beyond any particle of doubt that the gods worshipped by the non-believers and who called on them in their hour of distress are not in fact gods because they themselves are busy seeking the pleasure of Allah. If they had been gods themselves, as the non-believers ignorantly believed, they would not have been in need of worshipping someone else to seek his goodwill. In fact, they are as helpless as their worshippers and the obvious proof of their helplessness is their lack of self-reliance. The verse also clarifies the point that to seek access to Allah through those who have already attained nearness to Him is a valid act as this has also been the teaching and practice of these divine favourites. A question arises here how can those who themselves are seeking means of access to Allah possibly serve as means of approach to Him? A reflection on this Qur’ānic verse itself provides the answer: to worship anyone except Allah is forbidden but to rely on Allah’s favourites and to request them to pray to Him for the fulfilment of one’s needs is quite valid. It is a negation of worship, not a negation of means of approach to Allah. While it is valid only to worship Allah and no one else, it is also valid to seek the means of coming close to Him. Allah’s favourites serve only as the means; they are not substitutes for Him. Therefore, it is correct to believe that all favourites of Allah are only means of access to Him as it is Allah Alone Who is to be worshipped.

Argument No. 3: Intermediation through the holy Prophet (pbuh)

There is another verse, which makes permissible to seek means of approach to Allah. As it is said:

“(O beloved!) And if they had come to you, when they had wronged their souls, and asked forgiveness of Allah, and the Messenger also had asked forgiveness for them, they (on the basis of this means and intercession) would have found Allah the Granter of repentance, extremely Merciful.”

This Qur’ānic verse commands all the believers to rely on the mediation of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) in order to have their sins and lapses condoned by Allah. The relevance of this verse is not limited to his actual life on this earth but it also applies to his life after death.
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Would anyone please clarify what Dr. Saheb tried to say?

1. How can I rely on the Prophet for my salvation and needs?

2. How can I request the Prophet now to pray to God for the fulfillment of my needs?

3. Should I request by heart or loud?

4. God commanded us to seek means. Is it not an obligation? How come Dr. Saheb changed the tone and used the word “permissible” in his argument no.3?

5. If what has been said by the Dr. is correct then what is the problem with “Ya Ali madad” or “Ya Abu Bakr Madad”? These statements may be regarded as mere requests for help.

[salman]

Salamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah


1. How can I rely on the Prophet for my salvation and needs?

Ultimate reliance is always on Allah Most High - thus the Fuqaha have mentioned that whoever does Wasila believing that the "intermediary" is the very cause of salvation and needs, the one who provides or gives and so forth, then such a thing is manifest Kufr.

As for reliance on the Prophet - Allah bless him and grant him peace - it is to the extent that, as his Ummah, we are confident that Allah Most High will be more willing to accept the Dua of the Prophet for our sake, or to accept something we ask Him by stating "By Your love for the Prophet" and so forth. Indeed even on the Day of Judgement we are relying on the Prophet for our salvation through his great Intercession although we know that it is in Allahs hands whether to accept it or not.


2. How can I request the Prophet now to pray to God for the fulfillment of my needs?

The concept of Wasila is unanimously accepted by the Ahly Sunnah Wa'l Jamaah. Differences arise in the wording employed. Should we say "Ya Muhammad"? Or should we say "bi Hurmati/bi Jahi fulan" i.e. “by the sanctity/honor of so and so in Your presence".

The safest way, personally speaking, is to say:

"Oh Allah, I have nothing, but I love You and Your Messenger so I ask You by the rank of the Prophet and Your love and concern for Him, to…”

The Deobandi Ulema of the subcontinent permit Istighatha (Ya Muhammad), but only when standing in front of the graves of the Prophet. As for the vast majority of Arab Hanafis they permit it whether one is in Medina or China. It is a genuine difference within the Ummah.


3. Should I request by heart or loud?

It really makes no difference.


4. God commanded us to seek means. Is it not an obligation? How come Dr. Saheb changed the tone and used the word “permissible” in his argument no.3?

Seeking a means of approach is in "itself" obligatory, but the Qur'anic verse in question is general. Tawassul is only one form of how one can seek nearness to Allah Most High. It and of itself it is a Sunna, but certainly not Wajib or Fardh.


5. If what has been said by the Dr. is correct then what is the problem with “Ya Ali madad” or “Ya Abu Bakr Madad”? These statements may be regarded as mere requests for help.

As I mentioned, there is difference between the Ulema on the wording of Wasila. According to a group of Ulema there would be nothing wrong with the above as long as one keeps in mind that ultimate reliance is on Allah.

Wasalam

[ilm_seeker]

As sallamu alaikum


The Deobandi Ulema of the subcontinent permit Istighatha (Ya Muhammad :saw: ), but only when standing in front of the graves of the Prophet. As for the vast majority of Arab Hanafis they permit it whether one is in Medina or China. It is a genuine difference within the Ummah.

Can the Rasulullah :saw: hear us? Do the Deobandis say that if you go to his tomb and call him he can hear you because he is spiritually alive? And the Berelwis say you can say "Ya Muhammad :saw: " anywhere because Allah granted him to ability to hear it from afar?

What would one say after saying "Ya Muhammad :saw: "? It seems that the worshipper is directing his Dua to Rasulullah :saw: .

If the ultimate reliance is upon Allah Ta'ala then why say "Ya Muhammad :saw: " in the first place? Why not just say "Ya Allah, buy the honour of Rasulullah :saw: ..." instead?

Wa alaikum as sallam

[faqir]

As sallamu alaikum



Can the Rasulullah :saw: hear us? Do the Deobandis say that if you go to his tomb and call him he can hear you because he is spiritually alive? And the Berelwis say you can say "Ya Muhammad :saw: " anywhere because Allah granted him to ability to hear it from afar?

What would one say after saying "Ya Muhammad :saw: "? It seems that the worshipper is directing his Dua to Rasulullah :saw: .

If the ultimate reliance is upon Allah Ta'ala then why say "Ya Muhammad :saw: " in the first place? Why not just say "Ya Allah, buy the honour of Rasulullah :saw: ..." instead?

Wa alaikum as sallam

:salam:

All these questions have been answered on this forum before Akhi.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3511&highlight=deceased+hear

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5986&highlight=tawassul



also check www.daruliftaa.com for Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam's replies to questions on istighatha and tawassul

[salman]

As sallamu alaikum



Can the Rasulullah :saw: hear us? Do the Deobandis say that if you go to his tomb and call him he can hear you because he is spiritually alive? And the Berelwis say you can say "Ya Muhammad :saw: " anywhere because Allah granted him to ability to hear it from afar?

What would one say after saying "Ya Muhammad :saw: "? It seems that the worshipper is directing his Dua to Rasulullah :saw: .

If the ultimate reliance is upon Allah Ta'ala then why say "Ya Muhammad :saw: " in the first place? Why not just say "Ya Allah, buy the honour of Rasulullah :saw: ..." instead?

Wa alaikum as sallam

Salamu Alaikum

There is an Ijma' that the Prophets are alive in their graves. I do not know if this is called a "spiritual life" or not.

As for the Brelwis, I do not know what they believe. From what I hear the reason they do this is because they believe the Prophet hears and sees everything. Thus the concept of Haadhir Wa Naadhir. Yet, the belief in the permissibilty of Istighata in and of itself does not necessitate such a belief.

As for saying "Ya Muhammad", there is general agreement that saying it *is* permitted, with the difference being from *where* it is said. Secondly, as one of my beloved teachers stated,, without too much detail, Istighatha is not a "Dua" thus it cannot be categorised as worship of the object being called upon, according to the interpretation of many high standing Ulema.

Lastly, as to the reason why it is said. Then Allahu A'lam. As long as the Ulema permit it I am no one to question. There is an important principle that states "Seeking the means is obligatory, and denying the effectivenes of the means is also necessary,"mainly because not seeking the means would be ignoring/negating the wisdom and the blessing of Allah in His creation and whoever solely depends on these means as things that actually provide and give is doing Shirk. We learnt this in our Sabil Al Huda lessons.

Wasalam

[ilm_seeker]

As sallamu alaikum

Jazak Allah Khair for the replies. :insh: I will read the stuff by Sh. Ghumayri later on when I have time.

However, it just came to as to how this might work:

On Yaum-ul-Qiyamah many Muslims will ask the Rasulullah :saw: to pray on their behalf to Allah Ta'ala because he holds a special status with Him. He will do so and Allah Ta'ala will accept the Dua of Rasulullah :saw: and we will go to Jannah :insh: .

Now in the dunya, Allah Ta'ala has given the Anbiya (Alay Sallatu Was Sallam) to ability to be alive in their graves. Thus the Deobandis say that you can go to Madina Al-Munawara to the tomb and say "Ya Muhammad :saw: please pray for me as you hold a special status and Allah Ta'ala likes to listen to you...etc" because the Rasulullah :saw: is alive and can hear you and pray for you.

The Berelwis say that Allah Ta'ala has made Rasulullah :saw: hazir/nazir and you can say the above mentioned Dua anywhere.

Is my understanding now correct for everything in this post?

Wa alaikum asa sllam

[abeer_xyz]

It seems pretty interesting.

Deobandis think that one should be in front of the grave at Medina for calling on the Prophet in second person like “Ya Muhammad”. Then is it not reasonable to call him loud? Otherwise, if the prophet is able to hear/know silent cravings in my heart then what is the reason for proximity?

Berelwis think that the Prophet is present everywhere to hear and to see. Has this ability been granted to the Prophet by God after the demise of the Prophet? Or was the Prophet endowed with such ability during his lifetime too? If the answer of the later question is in affirmative then why did the Prophet use to appoint info-agents at distant places and why did people use to go to the Prophet to inform him anything they gathered?

[TDR]

Salaams

I know this is an old thread but I'm new here so I just wanted to add something which I think will benefit everyone inshallah.

About a year and a half ago I met a person who was a member of minhaj-ul-quran and an avid follower of Dr Tahir ul Qadri. This person wanted to dedicate their entire life to the organisation and encouraged me to listen to the Shaykh's talks and lectures.

I did some research and I will list the points which I find disturbing, all of which can be confirmed as being true:

1) Appearance
The first thing I noticed is that the sheikh has a trim beard (http://www.minhaj.org/home/album/index.minhaj?cat=field10&id=1162&e=1126384021)

I'm sure we're all aware of the sunnah of the beard:
"The upshot ... is that, all the four schools of Islamic law regard the trimming of the beard less than a fistful as blameworthy (unlawful, according to the three schools and disliked according to the Shafi’i school). Thus, one should not trim his beard less than a fistful.

Scholars and those associated to Da’wa work must take extra care with regards to this. Even if trimming the beard less than a fistful is considered to be disliked, it is unfitting for a person active in Islamic work to involve himself in such a practice, for a person is more effective with his actions than his words...." Mufti Mohammed ibn Adam. http://www.daruliftaa.com/searchResult.asp#

You'll notice the sheikh wears a hat called a sindhi topi and doesn't raise his trousers above his ankles. Fair enough, he has his head covered but along with the hat, the style of trim beard and the trouser length his followers immitate him exactly and in direct opposition of the sunnah of our beloved messenger sallallahu alahi wassalaam

Maybe not the most important thing in life but important none the less especially for a sheikh-ul-islam.

2)Politics
Clearly politics is a part of islam but the sheikh's political ambitions are the raison d'etre of the organisation. This is the reason it exists and the shariah is swept aside if it gets in the way of those ambitions. This is illustrated by the Dr's relationship with ex-prime minister Benazir Bhutto. There are plenty of photos of their meetings on the MQ website but I won't link to them as she is not doing any purdah at all.

What you would see is pictures of the ex-PM with her hair uncovered, with her body uncovered, speaking freely sitting opposite him or next to him in the company of many other men. You would see the Dr speaking freely to her with his gaze not at all lowered and we are told that this how today's politics is done in compliance with the Quran and the Sunnah. Does this look like Sunnah to you?

As a result of his political ambitions there are a number of dodgy fatwas issued by him and his followers to overcome certain obstacles in the shariah.

3)Female Leaders
‘When the Prophet was informed that the people of Persia had crowned the daughter of Kisra as their ruler, he said: No people will ever succeed if they hand their affairs to a woman.’ Sahih al-Bukhari.

We know that it is haram for a woman to be head of state, we know there is ijma on this yet in contradiction to the hadith of rasullallah sallallahu alaihi wassalaam, and generations of ulema karam over the last 1400 years he has declared it to not be haram but just makruh; "...As stated earlier, many Islamic commentators have said that a woman leader is haram, but Qaidi Mutharrram views this as a slightly harsh ruling, deeming it to be makruh, condemned, coming under the purview of a minor sin...." link (http://www.minhajsisters.com/home/articles/index.minhaj?dir=&id=9)

Apparently this would sit better with his political allies

4)Mortgages
The Dr issued a fatwa stating that in the West it would be permissible for people to take up conventional mortgages because its the only option and it would strengthen the financial position of the ummah. click here to listen (http://www.minhaj.ca/audio.shtml)

So basically its permissible to committ a sin, a sin which of its 72 types the least sinful is worse than committing zina with your mother, because you don't want to rent and to allow muslims to own more real estate. Prosituting our daughters seems financially viable and I think its less sinful than partaking in interest. Is that an option also?

5)Music
All songs with or without music are permissible including bollywood, as long as they don't contain bad lyrics. I would link to the fatwa but their online fatwa section is closed. Nevertheless, there are pictures of a milad gathering where the qawwali singers are out in full force, all clean shaven and with all their instruments singing about their ishq for rasullallah sallallahu alaihi wassalaam. The most despicable sight is the Sheikh actually throwing money on the singers.
Qawwali singers (http://tv.minhaj.org/en/index.minhaj?Minhaj_ID=Guest&pwde=1095842525&thm=thm3&mode=album&cat=field75&id=10384&e=1126392031)
Throwing Money (http://tv.minhaj.org/en/index.minhaj?Minhaj_ID=Guest&pwde=1095842525&thm=thm3&mode=album&cat=field75&id=10348&e=1126392103)

6)Pictures
All picture-making, photos or drawing, is allowed unless it is being worshipped. A large number of minhajians, men and women, possess pictures of the Sheikh.

7)Gender interaction
On the website you will find many pictures of lectures given by the Dr to a female audience. There is no purdah, just the Dr and other speakers in front of the women, some of whom observe hijab and some who don't.


All of the above I mentioned because they are simple and immediately recognisable as traits of a Sheikh who opposes the Sunnah. It gets worse with the lectures because he shows his true colours as a modernist/reformist in the same mould as Qaradawi or Israr Ahmed although not as extreme. They can never be of benefit to the ummah because the very thing they leave is where our success lies; the Quran and the Sunnah.

May Allah guide us all to the Truth

Wassalaam

[optics]

as-salamu'alaikum,

I find what you wrote to be completely outrageous. Really, doesn't anyone fear slandering the scholars any more?

I've met both Israr Ahmed and I've met Dr. Tahir ul Qadri and they are nothing alike in terms of 'reformers'.

Furthermore the issues of dress you raised are completely superficial and demonstrate a lack of understanding of some the differences of opinion that exist in our community. For example, the beginning of the 'fistful' is debated as to whether it is below the chin or underneath the lip.

Furthermore:
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=2238&CATE=414

"Finally, (and this is very important), Habib Ali stated that we
should remember that the beard in its essence is not a criterion for
taqwa. People of other religions have been known to grow very long beards, but that says nothing of their position with Allah. To look
at another Muslim and judge his closeness to Allah by the length of
his beard (or whether he has one for that matter) would be a grave mistake."

You other issues are really off base as well, bah.. won't waste my time.

[TDR]

Salaams

Brother, it would be slanderous if it was untrue, however, all of the above points are true and can easily be backed up which is why I mentioned only them. There was other stuff I heard whilst doing my research, which I believe to be true because of the source, but I can't back it up with links to a site or a book.

I knew before posting that I might receive an angry reaction and that reaction would be justifiable if I had just heard one thing without knowing about the sheikh and posted about it. However, don't you recommend spending time listening to a scholar and his students and doing some serious research before jumping to conclusions? Isn't that what I have done?

The reason I posted is simple. I have spent time with a great many scholars and time and time again have been disappointed and worse still, misled about the deen thinking that the scholar has alot of knowledge and therefore must be right. In fact I have seen many people in this trap where they follow a scholar blindly, pointing to his knowledge and ignoring whether they adhere to the Sunnah or the Shariah. A donkey laden with books remains a donkey doesn't it?

So really this post was for the benefit of those who might be in this trap or are in danger of being.

btw you'll notice I mentioned that appearance isn't the most important thing but it is important. Inner states manifest themselves in outer actions. You would never go near a scholar if you saw him drinking in a pub with a woman on each arm, smoking a blunt, right? If out of curiosity you asked him about it and he tried to justify it, then what? Would his great knowledge convince you that he must be right? Of course not.

A person who has true ishq in his heart for rasullallah sallallahu alaihi wassalam would show it in his actions. Whether it be akhlaq, appearance, ibaadat etc. And this is even more so for scholars.

Salaams

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Asslamo Allaikum,

Anyone living near Raiwind Raod Lahore knows about the history of Dr Tahirul-Qadri (when he used to ride his bicycle to the Masjid 15 years ago) and links with Nawaz Family and meteoric rise to fame and

blatant disregard to Sunnah in conferences is obvious for anyone to see ;unfortunately most people will not beleive you Akhi and you will get knocked down for being biased and bigoted.




Salaams

I know this is an old thread but I'm new here so I just wanted to add something which I think will benefit everyone inshallah.

About a year and a half ago I met a person who was a member of minhaj-ul-quran and an avid follower of Dr Tahir ul Qadri. This person wanted to dedicate their entire life to the organisation and encouraged me to listen to the Shaykh's talks and lectures.

I did some research and I will list the points which I find disturbing, all of which can be confirmed as being true:

1) Appearance
The first thing I noticed is that the sheikh has a trim beard (http://www.minhaj.org/home/album/index.minhaj?cat=field10&id=1162&e=1126384021)

I'm sure we're all aware of the sunnah of the beard:
"The upshot ... is that, all the four schools of Islamic law regard the trimming of the beard less than a fistful as blameworthy (unlawful, according to the three schools and disliked according to the Shafi’i school). Thus, one should not trim his beard less than a fistful.

Scholars and those associated to Da’wa work must take extra care with regards to this. Even if trimming the beard less than a fistful is considered to be disliked, it is unfitting for a person active in Islamic work to involve himself in such a practice, for a person is more effective with his actions than his words...." Mufti Mohammed ibn Adam. http://www.daruliftaa.com/searchResult.asp#

You'll notice the sheikh wears a hat called a sindhi topi and doesn't raise his trousers above his ankles. Fair enough, he has his head covered but along with the hat, the style of trim beard and the trouser length his followers immitate him exactly and in direct opposition of the sunnah of our beloved messenger sallallahu alahi wassalaam

Maybe not the most important thing in life but important none the less especially for a sheikh-ul-islam.

2)Politics
Clearly politics is a part of islam but the sheikh's political ambitions are the raison d'etre of the organisation. This is the reason it exists and the shariah is swept aside if it gets in the way of those ambitions. This is illustrated by the Dr's relationship with ex-prime minister Benazir Bhutto. There are plenty of photos of their meetings on the MQ website but I won't link to them as she is not doing any purdah at all.

What you would see is pictures of the ex-PM with her hair uncovered, with her body uncovered, speaking freely sitting opposite him or next to him in the company of many other men. You would see the Dr speaking freely to her with his gaze not at all lowered and we are told that this how today's politics is done in compliance with the Quran and the Sunnah. Does this look like Sunnah to you?

As a result of his political ambitions there are a number of dodgy fatwas issued by him and his followers to overcome certain obstacles in the shariah.

3)Female Leaders
‘When the Prophet was informed that the people of Persia had crowned the daughter of Kisra as their ruler, he said: No people will ever succeed if they hand their affairs to a woman.’ Sahih al-Bukhari.

We know that it is haram for a woman to be head of state, we know there is ijma on this yet in contradiction to the hadith of rasullallah sallallahu alaihi wassalaam, and generations of ulema karam over the last 1400 years he has declared it to not be haram but just makruh; "...As stated earlier, many Islamic commentators have said that a woman leader is haram, but Qaidi Mutharrram views this as a slightly harsh ruling, deeming it to be makruh, condemned, coming under the purview of a minor sin...." link (http://www.minhajsisters.com/home/articles/index.minhaj?dir=&id=9)

Apparently this would sit better with his political allies

4)Mortgages
The Dr issued a fatwa stating that in the West it would be permissible for people to take up conventional mortgages because its the only option and it would strengthen the financial position of the ummah. click here to listen (http://www.minhaj.ca/audio.shtml)

So basically its permissible to committ a sin, a sin which of its 72 types the least sinful is worse than committing zina with your mother, because you don't want to rent and to allow muslims to own more real estate. Prosituting our daughters seems financially viable and I think its less sinful than partaking in interest. Is that an option also?

5)Music
All songs with or without music are permissible including bollywood, as long as they don't contain bad lyrics. I would link to the fatwa but their online fatwa section is closed. Nevertheless, there are pictures of a milad gathering where the qawwali singers are out in full force, all clean shaven and with all their instruments singing about their ishq for rasullallah sallallahu alaihi wassalaam. The most despicable sight is the Sheikh actually throwing money on the singers.
Qawwali singers (http://tv.minhaj.org/en/index.minhaj?Minhaj_ID=Guest&pwde=1095842525&thm=thm3&mode=album&cat=field75&id=10384&e=1126392031)
Throwing Money (http://tv.minhaj.org/en/index.minhaj?Minhaj_ID=Guest&pwde=1095842525&thm=thm3&mode=album&cat=field75&id=10348&e=1126392103)

6)Pictures
All picture-making, photos or drawing, is allowed unless it is being worshipped. A large number of minhajians, men and women, possess pictures of the Sheikh.

7)Gender interaction
On the website you will find many pictures of lectures given by the Dr to a female audience. There is no purdah, just the Dr and other speakers in front of the women, some of whom observe hijab and some who don't.


All of the above I mentioned because they are simple and immediately recognisable as traits of a Sheikh who opposes the Sunnah. It gets worse with the lectures because he shows his true colours as a modernist/reformist in the same mould as Qaradawi or Israr Ahmed although not as extreme. They can never be of benefit to the ummah because the very thing they leave is where our success lies; the Quran and the Sunnah.

May Allah guide us all to the Truth

Wassalaam

[loveProphet]

as-salamu'alaikum,

I find what you wrote to be completely outrageous. Really, doesn't anyone fear slandering the scholars any more?

I've met both Israr Ahmed and I've met Dr. Tahir ul Qadri and they are nothing alike in terms of 'reformers'.

Furthermore the issues of dress you raised are completely superficial and demonstrate a lack of understanding of some the differences of opinion that exist in our community. For example, the beginning of the 'fistful' is debated as to whether it is below the chin or underneath the lip.

Furthermore:
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=2238&CATE=414

"Finally, (and this is very important), Habib Ali stated that we
should remember that the beard in its essence is not a criterion for
taqwa. People of other religions have been known to grow very long beards, but that says nothing of their position with Allah. To look
at another Muslim and judge his closeness to Allah by the length of
his beard (or whether he has one for that matter) would be a grave mistake."

You other issues are really off base as well, bah.. won't waste my time.
:ws:

I exactly agree sidi!

This TDR complains about so called "abandoning the Sunnah" whist i see him and Muadh Khan actually abandoning the Sunnah by doing Ghiba and insulting the Ulema!
AstaghfirUllah.
I guess the Sheikh would be happy due to the slanders of these laymen since they are giving the rewards/sawaab to him! SubhanAllah!

Really, what TDR mentioned is way superfluous!
Just one instance i'll briefly mention which is the one about the beard.
Now the Ulema amongst the Hanafis differ about where the fist-lenth beard starts, some say the bottom lip whilst others say from the chin. The Sheikh seems to follow the first one.
Secondly, is TDR going to insult the other many Ulema from the other 3 madhabs for not having a full fist-length beard?? These laymen are the same who attack Sheikh Hamza Yusuf and Imam Zaid Shakir and many other Arab and non-Arab Ulema!

This just shows the bigotry of these laymen. Both TDR and Muadh Khan are really causing a lot of fitnah here due to their bias against any Shuyukh tht they don't agree with. Frankly speaking, that is bigotry really.

I can answer all of their attacks on the Sheikh here but i won't waste my time as they've already made up their mind and they won't change it, it is typical of people who seek the mistakes of others but don't look at their own large mistakes.

[Mustafai]

valid points

May Allah help us to understand right and wrong!


Salaams

I know this is an old thread but I'm new here so I just wanted to add something which I think will benefit everyone inshallah.

About a year and a half ago I met a person who was a member of minhaj-ul-quran and an avid follower of Dr Tahir ul Qadri. This person wanted to dedicate their entire life to the organisation and encouraged me to listen to the Shaykh's talks and lectures.

I did some research and I will list the points which I find disturbing, all of which can be confirmed as being true:

1) Appearance

.
.
.


May Allah guide us all to the Truth

Wassalaam

[Ali al-Hanafi]

I heard that Tahir ul Qadri kicked out one of his close followers simply because this individual was getting a bit too popular for the former's liking. This individual goes by the name of Rabbani al-Afghani who lives in Manchester but attends the hard core Barelwi Mosque located on Lea Bridge Road in Leyton, London quite often. My uncle used to be in the Lea Bridge road committee and he told my parents this who in turn told me. But, I don't know the full details so Allah knows best.

[godilali]

What was the point of resurrecting this thread?

[Abdullah Ibn Adam]

Muslims like to insult scholars.

[Mustafai]

I think the intention is not to insult anybody but to bring some facts. MQ website (http://www.minhaj.org/) is a good resource for studying their point of view and the matters where they differ from mainstream scholars.


Muslims like to insult scholars.

[Mustafai]

songs are also available if you want to listen: :confused:

http://tv.minhaj.org/en/index.minhaj?mode=browse&id_cat=8

[loveProphet]

I think the intention is not to insult anybody but to bring some facts. MQ website (http://www.minhaj.org/) is a good resource for studying their point of view and the matters where they differ from mainstream scholars.
So you think you are the mainstream??
Lol...

[loveProphet]

What was the point of resurrecting this thread?
There are children running around with no adaab towards the elders and Ulema. A sign of Yawm ul Qiyamah.

[loveProphet]

songs are also available if you want to listen: :confused:

http://tv.minhaj.org/en/index.minhaj?mode=browse&id_cat=8
So i would guess that you will throw away Sheikh ul Islam Abdul Ghan an-Nablusi(RA) too??

Wow, SubhanAllah!

[abdulrehman7]

Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihe wasallim) said :"Do you know what backbiting (Ghiba ) is?" They said, "God and His Messenger know best." He then said, "It is to say something about your brother that he would dislike." Someone asked him, "But what if what I say is true?" The Messenger of God said, "If what you say about him is true, you are backbiting him, but if it is not true then you have slandered him." (Muslim)



:ws:

I exactly agree sidi!

This TDR complains about so called "abandoning the Sunnah" whist i see him and Muadh Khan actually abandoning the Sunnah by doing Ghiba and insulting the Ulema!
AstaghfirUllah.
I guess the Sheikh would be happy due to the slanders of these laymen since they are giving the rewards/sawaab to him! SubhanAllah!

Really, what TDR mentioned is way superfluous!
Just one instance i'll briefly mention which is the one about the beard.
Now the Ulema amongst the Hanafis differ about where the fist-lenth beard starts, some say the bottom lip whilst others say from the chin. The Sheikh seems to follow the first one.
Secondly, is TDR going to insult the other many Ulema from the other 3 madhabs for not having a full fist-length beard?? These laymen are the same who attack Sheikh Hamza Yusuf and Imam Zaid Shakir and many other Arab and non-Arab Ulema!

This just shows the bigotry of these laymen. Both TDR and Muadh Khan are really causing a lot of fitnah here due to their bias against any Shuyukh tht they don't agree with. Frankly speaking, that is bigotry really.

I can answer all of their attacks on the Sheikh here but i won't waste my time as they've already made up their mind and they won't change it, it is typical of people who seek the mistakes of others but don't look at their own large mistakes.

[Salafi]

keeping his political party positions aside, which I see being misquoted and also out of context


Azzam is right he was pro musharraf when he helped allied forces to destroy the islamic emarates in afghanistan.

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Asslamo Allaikum Brother,

Do you consider stating the truth (without spin, insults and disrepect) which can be verified causing Fitnah?

How?

Both of us have stated FACTS which can be verified and NONE of us have insulted him personally as I don't know him enough to insult furthermore why would I want to do that; that would be Haram?

Instead of character assisination how come no one wants to give "US" benefit of the doubt and actually try to VERIFY the information from independent sources, Insha'Allah.

Don't we deserve BENEFIT of doubt?

I have actually quoted two things:

1) A Barelwi web-site based in South Africa
2) Evidence from residents in Lahore who have seen and witnessed his meteoric rise over the last 15 or so years!

How is 1 & 2 insulting and causing Fitnah?

It was/is not my intention to insult anyone let alone Dr Tahirul Qadri Saheb, & Allah (SWT) knows best.

Before elevating any Deobandi, Barelwi, Salafi, Sufi or any other scholar to unprecedented levels please remember and ponder the statement of Abdullah Ibn Muabrak (RA) and his warnings about wicked scholars and kings?

How about the sayings of Sufya Thauri (RA) about scholars who associated themselves with the rich?

It is not my intention to defend myself (as Allah (SWT) is the judge); rather I would like for all to dissect the information independently and Insha'Allah set the record straight.

Thread seems to be going on a tangent rather then focusing on the FACTS!


:ws:

I exactly agree sidi!

This TDR complains about so called "abandoning the Sunnah" whist i see him and Muadh Khan actually abandoning the Sunnah by doing Ghiba and insulting the Ulema!
AstaghfirUllah.
I guess the Sheikh would be happy due to the slanders of these laymen since they are giving the rewards/sawaab to him! SubhanAllah!

Really, what TDR mentioned is way superfluous!
Just one instance i'll briefly mention which is the one about the beard.
Now the Ulema amongst the Hanafis differ about where the fist-lenth beard starts, some say the bottom lip whilst others say from the chin. The Sheikh seems to follow the first one.
Secondly, is TDR going to insult the other many Ulema from the other 3 madhabs for not having a full fist-length beard?? These laymen are the same who attack Sheikh Hamza Yusuf and Imam Zaid Shakir and many other Arab and non-Arab Ulema!

This just shows the bigotry of these laymen. Both TDR and Muadh Khan are really causing a lot of fitnah here due to their bias against any Shuyukh tht they don't agree with. Frankly speaking, that is bigotry really.

I can answer all of their attacks on the Sheikh here but i won't waste my time as they've already made up their mind and they won't change it, it is typical of people who seek the mistakes of others but don't look at their own large mistakes.

[Mureed of Babaji Sarkar]

From what ive seen and heard from him, he seems to be a great scholar. And from speeches that ive heard his points are always based on the Qur'an and Sunnah.

[mishor]

Assalamu Alaikum brother Rehan Ali

i would just like to let u know that u know Sheikh Yaqoubi from syria, it was his first time goin to pakistan, and the first place he went to was Minhaj-ul-Quran. also he has said that he will be goin to teach specially for the icis students for a week or two. doesn't this show something about Minhaj-ul-Quran and qibla huzoor? Sheikh Yaqoubi is also of the family of The Holy Prophet (saw). anywayz bro u shouldn't believe rumours! and especially wot u hear on media. they are all lies unless u hear it from the man himself!
bro Rehan, i would advise u to read about quaid-e-inqilaab, his work and mission properly then comment on it. surely u will benefit.
May Allah (swt) increase us in knowledge and make peace amongst the Muslim Ummah. Insha'Allah Aameen.

i hope i didnt offend u or anyone else in anyway. if i did please forgive me.

jazak'Allahu khair

wassalaam
I don't know if this was posted before but I just came across this thread.



Video of Sayyid Mohammed al-Yacoubi touring Minhaj al-Qur'an head-quaters.
http://www.tv.minhajuk.org/html/yaqoubi/tour.html

(You might want to turn off the sound) :)