Was our prophet (pbuh) the best of creations, born to a Hindu?

[Saqqib_Ali]

so,

Was our prophet (pbuh) the best of creation [edited thanks], born to a Hindu?

no one hesitates and thinks when naming their daughters Amina, but at the same time muslims show so much contempt to people beonging to the religion we clasify as "hinduism" in modern times, which is basically the same polytheism as that at the time of the prophet.

Subhanallah

[kakarot_999]

so,

Was our prophet (pbuh) the best of creators, born to a Hindu?

no one hesitates and thinks when naming their daughters Amina, but at the same time muslims show so much contempt to people beonging to the religion we clasify as "hinduism" in modern times, which is basically the same polytheism as that at the time of the prophet.

Subhanallah
Please change the title akhi. I know what you're trying to say but the title is inappropriate IMHO. You shouldn't ever put the prophet Muhammad PBUH and hindu in the same title. Switch it to something like "Is naming your daughter Amina promoting shirk" (and calling all polytheism hinduism is not true - a lot of hindus are actually monotheist. The main polytheist that exist today are the pagans.)

[Abdul1234]

so,

Was our prophet (pbuh) the best of creators, born to a Hindu?

no one hesitates and thinks when naming their daughters Amina, but at the same time muslims show so much contempt to people beonging to the religion we clasify as "hinduism" in modern times, which is basically the same polytheism as that at the time of the prophet.

Subhanallah

huh?

don't you mean best of Creation not best of 'creators'?

its mainly the Wahhabis who think the Prophets blessed parents were people of polytheism

personally I believe the view that they were Hanifs along with all his (saws) other direct ancestors

[Saqqib_Ali]

Please change the title akhi. I know what you're trying to say but the title is inappropriate IMHO. You shouldn't ever put the prophet Muhammad PBUH and hindu in the same title. Switch it to something like "Is naming your daughter Amina promoting shirk" (and calling all polytheism hinduism is not true - a lot of hindus are actually monotheist. The main polytheist that exist today are the pagans.)

Question isn't about the name "Amina",in my opinion it IS a muslim name. It's whether the prophet's (pbuh) blessed mother was a Hindu.

Jazakallah

[Is'haaq ibn Ahmad]

Hindhusim is worshipping idols, islam is worshipping 1 god and obeying his final messenger.
Amina is the name of the blessed mother who gave birth to the prophet, this name is halal for every muslim non-muslim to use .

[ahmad12]

:bism:

1. There were no hindu's in Arabia. Even though mushrikeen (polytheists) were probably the majority there, they weren't hindu's as that religion never really left India/Sri Lanka

2. There were people even before the time of the Prophet :saw: who believed in one God (I think they were known as Hanif's or something)

Do not ascribe hinduism to the mother of the Messenger :saw:

:jazak:

[Arif2]

which is basically the same polytheism as that at the time of the prophet.
:salam:
Not even close, akhi. Not by a long shot. The polytheism of the Makkan mushriks was based on Semitic (Arab, Assyrian, Mesopotamian, etc.) idols (Hubal, 'Uzza, Manat, etc.); they had nothing to do with Hinduism. The idols of Hinduism (Indra, Agni, etc.) came from the Vedas and other Vedic texts, which were in themselves deviations of the original shirk of the Aryans (Indo-Iranians/Indo-Europeans), and the more modern Hindu idols (Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, etc.) are a step even further removed from that.

Not to mention the mushriks of Makkah still believed in Allah, whereas Hindus never have; and the Aryan and Semitic mushrik religions have completely different outlooks and theologies.

[Hafiz Gee]

huh?

don't you mean best of Creation not best of 'creators'?

its mainly the Wahhabis who think the Prophets blessed parents were people of polytheism

personally I believe the view that they were Hanifs along with all his (saws) other direct ancestors

Salam,

At first i misread your quote and thought is it said "hanafis" i was like what.....

anyways i've started a new thread in aqeedah section which has a suitable title (no hindu, bindu) whic discusses the issue of the imaan of the Prophet's parents (sallahu alayhi wa salam). might be a good idea to keep an eye on it if a scholar responds to it.

in a nut shell it is wholly inappropriate to say that the prophet's parents died as unbelievers, therefore to say they were mushrikeen and then link that back to hindus is seriously wrong.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?85825-Fiqh-Al-Akbar-imaan-fitri-the-Prophet-s-parents-%28sallahu-alayhi-wa-salam%29&p=742970#post742970

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

huh?

don't you mean best of Creation not best of 'creators'?

its mainly the Wahhabis who think the Prophets blessed parents were people of polytheism

personally I believe the view that they were Hanifs along with all his (saws) other direct ancestors

That's an interesting statement, Considering that the statement in the text of the Sharh of Al-Fiqh Al-Akbar By Al-Mulla Ali al-Qaari, reads that they did die on Kufr. I wonder if Abu Hanifa was a Wahhabi?

[Hafiz Gee]

That's an interesting statement, Considering that the statement in the text of the Sharh of Al-Fiqh Al-Akbar By Al-Mulla Ali al-Qaari, reads that they did die on Kufr. I wonder if Abu Hanifa was a Wahhabi?

there are two explanations for that

a) he was mistaken but later changed his view as is evident from him presenting a different view later on in life (his commentary of Shifaa)

b) it was a mistake of the copiers, short hand was used at one point in copying and the meaning got messed up i dont want to copy down a paragraph or two from "Fiqh Al'Akbar explained" but suffice it to say that there are things to consider. the first is that fitra can be easily to altered to kufr in the kufic script.....

this second opinion (b) is the most relied upon one. famous hanafis who held this opinion include Imam Zahid Kawthari. it is thought that Mulla Ali Al'Qari got his hands on one of the versions (which had become widespread) in which the error was present and based his opinion on that, but later changed his opinion to the correct one on realizing the error in that.

even if we were to accept that "they died on kufr" was the real script promoted by Mulla Ali Qari and Mulla Ali Qari believed this, he later changed his view.

[Hafiz Gee]

it should also be said that of all the versions of fiqh al akbar only some of them have the line that "his parents died on kufr". and that can be explained by the reason given above.

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

there are two explanations for that

a) he was mistaken but later changed his view as is evident from him presenting a different view later on in life (his commentary of Shifaa)

b) it was a mistake of the copiers, short hand was used at one point in copying and the meaning got messed up i dont want to copy down a paragraph or two from "Fiqh Al'Akbar explained" but suffice it to say that there are things to consider. the first is that fitra can be easily to altered to kufr in the kufic script.....

this second opinion (b) is the most relied upon one. famous hanafis who held this opinion include Imam Zahid Kawthari. it is thought that Mulla Ali Al'Qari got his hands on one of the versions (which had become widespread) in which the error was present and based his opinion on that, but later changed his opinion to the correct one on realizing the error in that.

even if we were to accept that "they died on kufr" was the real script promoted by Mulla Ali Qari and Mulla Ali Qari believed this, he later changed his view.

Have any idea exactly where he changed his view in shifa?

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

it should also be said that of all the versions of fiqh al akbar only some of them have the line that "his parents died on kufr". and that can be explained by the reason given above.

Maybe whoever did the transcript and made the mistake was a Wahhabi than.

Regardless, there seems to be much contravercy over the authenticity of which version if any is truly assigned to Imam Abu Haneefa, so I'll just take the entire book with a grain of salt.

[zahed73]

I wish people would stop making threads like this .

The prophets parents and his whole blood line was believers in monotheism ( Hanif )

Brother Saqqib_Ali if you have certain 'pain' in yourself better to have a
conversation with learned people not everything is to be shared on a public thread.

[ahamed_sharif]

Assalamu alaykum.

Is that part of our aqeedah to discuss on the parents of Rasulullah SAS.

I remember a talk, it was said, a sahabee told Rasulullah SAS that he recites "tabbat yad abi lahab" very frequently, Rasulullah SAS said, "it pains".

So this discussion on this thread may be hurting Rasulullah SAS.

[Abu Zakariya Yahya]

Assalamu alaykum.

Is that part of our aqeedah to discuss on the parents of Rasulullah SAS.

I remember a talk, it was said, a sahabee told Rasulullah SAS that he recites "tabbat yad abi lahab" very frequently, Rasulullah SAS said, "it pains".

So this discussion on this thread may be hurting Rasulullah SAS.

:ws:

That doesn't sound right, so you're saying every single time the Surah is recited in Ramadan for taraweeh for reward from Allah, and every time a small child memorizes it and gets 10 rewards for every letter, the Prophet :saw: some how knows and hears that this person is reciting the speech of Allah and then gets hurt by it?

If it's authentically reported I'd accept it, but as of right now it just doesn't sound right.

[NNoor]

I wish people would stop making threads like this .

The prophets parents and his whole blood line was believers in monotheism ( Hanif )

Brother Saqqib_Ali if you have certain 'pain' in yourself better to have a
conversation with learned people not everything is to be shared on a public thread.

I accept that the Prophet's parents :saw: were monotheists, but what about Azar, the father of Ibrahim :alayhis: ?

I've heard people say that Azar was really his uncle and not his father, but what is the proof for that?

[zahed73]

I accept that the Prophet's parents :saw: were monotheists, but what about Azar, the father of Ibrahim :alayhis: ?

I've heard people say that Azar was really his uncle and not his father, but what is the proof for that?

We have no way of knowing if Azhar later converted or not . That dose not concern us.

Our concern is from Hazrat Ibrahim .
The quran itself is proof from the Dua Hazrat Ibrahim is
doing for his descendants with Hazrat Ismail . after completing the Kaba.

7270

Our Lord, and make us Muslims to You and from our descendants a Muslim nation to You.And show us our rites and accept our repentance. Indeed, You are the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful. [ 2 : 127 ]

[NNoor]

:salam:

A few ayahs before that Allah says "My covenant does not include the wrongdoers". But anyway, I was just wondering about the belief that all of the Prophet's ancestors were Muslim.

[amr123]

the Prophet :saw: some how knows and hears that this person is reciting the speech of Allah and then gets hurt by it?


:salam:

I don't know about the hurting part bro, but our beloved Rasoolullah :saw: does know about our good deeds and bad deeds.


تُعرضُ علیّ أعمالُکم فما رأيتُ مِن خيرٍ حمدتُ اﷲَ عليهِ وَ ما رأيتُ مِن شرِّ نِاسْتغفرتُ اﷲَ لکُم.

The Prophet(saw) said : "I am shown your deeds, if they are Good I am grateful to Allah and if they are bad than I pray to Allah for your forgiveness."

(مجمع الزوائد، 9 : 24)

In the past I asked one of the mods about the hadith and the mod confirmed from an aalim that the narrators of the hadith is sound.

:jazak:

[ahamed_sharif]

Assalamu alaykum

Question:

What should our belief be regarding the parents of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and their position in the Aakhirah?
Answer:

The Akaabireen have emphasised that we maintain silence on this delicate subject. It is not part of Imaan to entertain any belief in this regard. It is highly improper for us to discuss this topic.

Why is this thread not closed yet. Mods.