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tazkiyyah

21-08-2005, 09:49 AM

To say that the name `Abd al-Mustafa is an expression of shirk shows a very bad opinion of Muslims - an unislamic trait, especially if one means rejection of the yoke of allegiance to the Messenger of Allah wal-`iyadhu billah.

Slave of the Prophet" is an unusual but not a forbidden name to bear. It does not signify worship nor is it an expression of shirk. It refers to a bond of allegiance and respect which is required of every Muslim.

There are several examples of such names for Sunni Ulema in Islamic history:

- Al-Sayyid `Abd al-Nabi ibn al-Sayyid al-Tayyib al-Bilkrami in the book of al-Sayyid Azad al-Bakri titled Ma'athir al-Kiram Tarikh Bilkram as cited in Shaykh Siddiq Hasan Khan al-Qinnawji's Abjad al-`Ulum in his notice on Shaykh Yasin al-Qinnawji.

- The late Hafiz of Syria, al-Sayyid `Abd Allah Siraj al-Din al-Halabi (d. March 2002 CE) mentioned in his commentary on al-Bayquniyya in hadith science.

- "Al-Imam al-`Allama al-Hujja al-Qudwa al-Fahhama Mufti al-Sadat al-Malikiyya bi-Dimashq" `Abd al-Nabi ibn Jama`a al-Maliki al-Maghribi the student of the Moroccan Sufi Mujahid and Wali al-Sayyid Abu al-Hasan -Ali ibn Maymun al-Hashimi al-Qurashi al-Tabbasi (d. 917), teacher of Qadi al-Qudat Abul-Khayr Muhammad ibn `Abd al-Qadir ibn Gibril al-Ghazzi al-Maliki, and son of the Shafi`i Imam of Masjid al-Aqsa Shaykh Muhyi al-Din `Abd al-Qadir ibn Jama`a al-Maqdisi al-Qadiri (d. 931) as mentioned in their respective biographies in Shadharat al-Dhahab while the author of `Ala' al-Din al-Busrawi in his Tarikh describes Shaykh `Abd al-Nabi ibn Jama`a as "one of people of learning and Religion who is trusted" and the author of al-Daris fi Tarikh al-Madaris names him "Shaykh al-Islam `Abd al-Nabi al-Maghribi al-Maliki".

As for us let us not only say that we are the slave of the Prophet but also, like Qadi Yusuf al-Nabhani (d. 1350/1931), the slave of his slave as in the following poem from his great volume of poetry in praise of the Best of creation titled Sa`adat al-Darayn:

1. ana `abdun li sayyid al-anbiya'i wa wala'i lahu al-qadimu wala'i
I am the slave of the Master of Prophets And my fealty to him has no beginning.

2. ana `abdun li `abdihi wa li `abd al-`abdi `abdun kadha bi ghayri intiha'i

I am slave to his slave, and to his slave's slave, And so forth endlessly,

3. ana la antahi `anil-qurbi min babi ridahu fi jumlati al-dukhala'i

For I do not cease to approach the door Of his good pleasure among the novices.

4. anshuru al-`ilma fi ma`alihi lil-nas wa ashdu bihi ma`a al-shu`ara'i

I proclaim among people the teaching of his high attributes, And sing his praises among the poets.

5. fa `asahu yaqulu li anta salmanu wala'i hassanu husni thana'i

Perhaps he will tell me: "You are the Salman Of my allegiance, the Hassan of my excellent homage!"

6. wa-biruhi afdi turaba himahu wa-lahu al-fadlu fi qabuli fida'i

Yes, I would sacrifice my soul for the dust of his sanctuary. His favor should be that he accept my sacrifice.

7. faza man yantami ilayhi wa-la hajata fihi bi-dhalika al-intima'i

He has triumphed who ascribes himself to him - Not that he needs such following,

8. huwa fi ghunyatin `an al-khalqi turran wa hum al-kullu `anhu duna ghina'i

For he is not in need of creation at all, While they all need him without exception.

9. wa huwa lillahi wahdihi `abduhu al-khalisu mujalla al-sifati wa al-asma'i

He belongs to Allah alone, Whose purified servant he is, As his attributes and names have made manifest;

10. kullu fadlin fil-khalqi fa huwa min allahi ilayhi wa minhu lil-ashya'i

And every single favor in creation comes from Allah To him, and from him to everything else.

Apparently, neither did Ibn Maymun, nor the Imam of Masjid al-Aqsa, nor Qadi al-Qudat Abul-Khayr al-Ghazzi, nor Ibn `Imad al-Hanbali, nor al-Busrawi, nor the author of al-Daris think that Imam `Abd al-Nabi al-Maliki should have changed his name before being allowed to be a Qudwa for Muslims. Apparently, the entire Barzanji family of Sayyid (Ashraaf) Ulema thought well of the name "Slave of the Prophet" and used it from father to son

It's_My_Life

21-08-2005, 11:43 AM

Yusuf

21-08-2005, 12:01 PM

Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuhu,

Brother I see you have a completely different opinion. How can one be the slave of the beloved prophet (pbuh) when the prophet himself was a slave to Allah?

I don't know, I don't believe in Sufism, so I see this as Shirk. InshaAllah I will get back to you with a more understandable answer...

Wassalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuhu

It's a matter of ikhtilaaf. There's a legitimate difference of opinion. While some maintain it's forbidden to keep such names others opine it's permissibility.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1691&highlight=abdul+mustafa

Choose whats best for you- It's your life :) .

tazkiyyah

21-08-2005, 12:38 PM

Okay.

I believe in sufism

check out www.masud.co.uk for artices detailing what sufism actually is

It's_My_Life

21-08-2005, 10:07 PM

Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuhu

Yeah I guessed it... I would check out the link but I don't want to read a biased opinion.. Jazak Allah Khayr anyway..

Wassalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuhu

Mossy

21-08-2005, 10:29 PM

All the major Hanafi scholars admit to the validity of sufism and many are of the Qadiri tariqah or another. I would be most interested in seeing any Hanafi texts which deny validity of sufism.

It's not about bias, it's about correctness.

It's_My_Life

21-08-2005, 10:33 PM

Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuhu (maybe replying to my salaam will do you good)

I can't take in what you have just said because you have given me no evidence whatsoever. InshaAllah I will try to do a bit of reserach on the topic..

Wassalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuhu

It's_My_Life

21-08-2005, 10:33 PM

BTW, how am I supposed to know what is correct? Depeends completely on interpretations...

Mossy

21-08-2005, 10:38 PM

Well, just tell me who you trust. If you trust Hanafi ulema, I can give you the fatwa of qualified Hanafi shaykh (with ijazas) or even point to the relied upon Hanafi fiqh texts. It's pretty clear on this topic: certain individuals claim to sufism but in fact practice baatil, just as some muslims do whack things. Sufi's who practice shariah clearly and directly and have silsilah back to the time of the Sahaba are correct and tassawuf is an essential to purify oneself.

It's_My_Life

21-08-2005, 10:47 PM

Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuhu

Lol, seems like you are trying to brainwash me?! Brother if you could give me the fatwa of a qualifies Hanafi Sheikh with evidence that would be great.. Basically my opinions on sufism (i'll go straight to the point) is that it's all a form of shirk.. I know you guys don't realise, but saying Muhammad (pbuh) is your slave is an example..

Have you heard, the people who used to worship idols to get closer to Allah (that's what they say)? Isn't Sufism similar? Loving the prophet (pbuh) TOO much in order to get closer to Allah?

W'Salaam

Mossy

22-08-2005, 01:25 AM

I am not interested in brainwashing you. I disagree with your statements and have not (having spoken to a number of Hanafi scholars and read a number of Hanafi texts) seen anything against properly practiced sufism - indeed, I've seen it in the syllabus at Darul Ulooms and stated as a necessity. There are Hanafi alims and alimahs on this board who would concur.

I find statements such as the below troubling too I admit - hence I refer it to scholars to indicate if it is permissable to say such a thing. The answer on this topic is that there is a disagreement.

Sufism is a large topic and has many branches, being concerned with taking care of the soul in a number of ways. Correctness of any approach is judged entirely by its validity according to Shariah. It is of course difficult to explain this if you do not wish to read articles written by those who are members of a sufi tariqah (I myself am not).

I will post quotes by Hanafi scholars tmrw iA.

a_rafee

22-08-2005, 03:11 AM

Basically my opinions on sufism (i'll go straight to the point) is that it's all a form of shirk.. I know you guys don't realise, but saying Muhammad (pbuh) is your slave is an example..

1. I would kindly request you to prove that being a slave of any person is a shirk? Shirk means doing a thing that exclusively should be done to Allah Almighty. As far as slavery is concerned, there are many muslim slaves in the past and Al-hamdulillah they are not called Mushrikks. It is really funny to see now days muslim wanting to call other muslim brothers as mushrik...while it was quite opposite in the past...we were turning mushriks into Muslims.

2. Qur'an clearly states that Obeying Allah means Obeying the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) in every action. What does slavery mean? It basically means to follow all the statements said by the Master. And the whole shariah of Islam is based on the actions and the statements of Noble Prophet Muhammad (SAW). In other words, Allah is telling us to be slaves of Muhammad (SAW) in order to qualify as slaves of Allah.

"But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction." [Qur’aan 4:65]

Whoever obeys the Messenger has obeyed God, [4:80] and Take whatever the Messenger gives you, and refrain from what he has forbidden you. [59:7]

3. As for Tawassuf (Sufism), it was practised by all Muslim scholars in the past including Ibn Taymiyyah and others who are well-respected among Wahabies.

Have you heard, the people who used to worship idols to get closer to Allah (that's what they say)? Isn't Sufism similar? Loving the prophet (pbuh) TOO much in order to get closer to Allah?

Love for the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is love for Almighty Allah. True love and respect for the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the first condition of Imaan. One cannot be a true Muslim unless he love Allah and His Messenger SAW more than anything else including his own nafs as proven from the Qur'an and Sunnah.

" Wo Khuda Naheen Ba Khuda Naheen, Wo Magar Khuda Se Juda Naheen,
Wo Hein Keya Magar Wo Hein Keya Naheen, Ye Muhib Habeeb Ki Baat Het'

(He is not Allah, by Allah he is not, and yet he is not separate from Allah. What he is and what he is not, the matter is entirely between the Lover and the beloved.)

InshaAllah I will try to do a bit of reserach on the topic..

You better do so...bro

tazkiyyah

22-08-2005, 08:15 AM

The love of the companions for Muhammad(saw)

. Imam Ahmad narrated in his Musnad (al-Arna'ut ed. 20:237 #12872 with a sound chain as per the criteria of al-Bukhari and Muslim): From Anas [ibn Malik] who said: The Messenger of Allah said - Sallallahu `alayhi wa Sallam: "There shall come to you throngs of people softer of hearts than you." Then came the Ash`aris [people of Yemen], among them Abu Musa. They began, when they drew near al-Madina, to recite:

Tomorrow We Meet Our Dear Beloved:
Muhammad and His Party!

2. Imam Ahmad narrated in his Musnad (al-Arna'ut ed. 20:148 #12732 with a sound chain as per the criteria of al-Bukhari and Muslim): From Anas [ibn Malik] who said: The Ansar said:

We are those who pledged to Muhammad
Our Jihad ever as long as we live!

Whereupon the Messenger of Allah replied - Sallallahu `alayhi wa Sallam:

O Allah! Goodness is the goodness of the hereafter,
Therefore, forgive the Ansar and the Muhajira!

3. Anas related that when the Prophet - Allah bless and greet him - first came to Madina the Ansar came out, men and women, and they were all saying: "With us, O Messenger of Allah!" [i.e. come stay with us.] The Prophet - Allah bless and greet him - said: "Let the camel choose, for she has her orders." The camel alighted at the door of Abu Ayyub. Anas continued: (After he went in) the women of Banu al-Najjar came out banging their drums and singing:

Nahnu jawâr min banî al-najjâr,
ya habbadhâ Muhammadin min jâr!

We are the girls of the Sons of Najjar
O delight of Muhammad for a neighbor!

The Prophet - Allah bless and greet him - said: "O Allah! bless them."

In another narration he came out and said: "Do you love me?" (atuhibbûnî?)

They replied: Ey wallâh Ya Rasûlallâh.Yes, by Allah, O Messenger of Allah!

At this he said:

Wa anâ uhibbukum
Wa anâ uhibbukum
Wa anâ uhibbukum

And I love you.

And in another version he said:

Allâhu ya`lamu anna qalbî yuhibbukunna

or

Allâhu ya`lamu annî la'uhibbukunna

i.e.Allah knows that my heart loves you / that in truth I do love you.

Narrated by al-Bayhaqi with two chains in Dala'il al-Nubuwwa (2:508), Ibn Majah in his Sunan, book of Nikah (#1889), and Abu Nu`aym in the Hilya (1985 ed. 3:120). Al-Busiri al-Kinani said in Misbah al-Zujaja fi Zawa'id Ibn Majah (2:106): "This [Ibn Majah's] is a sound chain, its narrators are trustworthy and part of it is in the Two Books of Sahih from `A'isha, and, in al-Bukhari and the Four Sunan, from al-Rubayya` bint Mu`awwadh. Ibn Kathir cites it in al-Bidaya wa al-Nihaya (3:199-200), and al-Suyuti in al-Khasa'is al-Kubra (1:190). Ibn Hajar in Fath al-Bari (1959 ed. 7:261) states that al-Hakim documents it and Abu Sa`d al-Naysaburi mentions it in his Sharaf al-Mustafa, as also mentioned by Shaykh Muhammad ibn `Alawi al-Maliki in al-Bayan wa al-Ta`rif fi Dhikra al-Mawlid al-Sharif (p. 24-25).

4. When the Prophet - Allah bless and greet him - came to Madina the young girls of the Ansar called out:

The full moon rose over us from the mountains of al-Wada‘!
We must give thanks as long as there remains one who calls unto Allah!

Narrated by Muhibb al-Din al-Tabari in al-Riyad al-Nadira (1:480). Ibn Kathir cites it in al-Bidaya wa al-Nihaya (Ma`arif ed. 3:197, 5:23) and Ibn Hajar in Fath al-Bari (1959 ed. 7:261), indicating its minimum grade of fair (hasan) as per his criterion for narrations he cites in this work.

tazkiyyah

22-08-2005, 08:20 AM

The uncle of the Prophet al-`Abbas ibn `Abd al-Muttalib (RA) said:

And then, WHEN YOU WERE BORN, a light rose over the earth until it illuminated the horizon with its radiance. We are in that illumination and that original light and those paths of guidance and thanks to them we pierce through.
Ibn Sayyid al-Nas narrated it with his isnad through al-Tabarani and al-Bazzar in Minah al-Madh (p. 192-193), also Ibn Kathir in al-Sira al-Nabawiyya (ed. Mustafa `Abd al-Wahid 4:51), and `Ali al-Qari in his Sharh al-Shifa` (1:364) says it is narrated by Abu Bakr al-Shafi`i and al-Tabarani, and cited by Ibn `Abd al-Barr in al-Isti`ab and Ibn al-Qayyim in Zad al-Ma`ad.

The light mentioned by al-`Abbas is confirmed by the Prophet himself in the famous narration describing his own birth. `Irbad ibn Sariya and Abu Umama - Allah be well-pleased with both of them - said that the Prophet said: "I am the supplication of my father Ibrahim, and the good tidings of my brother `Isa. The NIGHT I WAS DELIVERED my mother saw a light that lit the castles of Damascus so that she could see them."

It is narrated by al-Hakim (2:616-617), Ahmad in his Musnad, and al-Bayhaqi in Dala`il al-Nubuwwa (1:110, 2:8). Ibn al-Jawzi cites it in al-Wafa` (p. 91, ch. 21 of Bidayat Nabiyyina ), and Ibn Kathir in his Mawlid Rasul Allah and his Tafsir (4:360). Al-Haythami (8:221) said al-Tabarani and Ahmad narrated it, the latter with a fair (hasan) chain. Also narrated by Ibn Hisham in Sirat Rasul Allah (Dar al-wifaq ed. 1/2:166) and al-Tabari in his History.

The poet of the Prophet Hassan ibn Thabit (RA) said:

By Allah, no woman has conceived and GIVEN BIRTH To one like the Messenger, the Prophet and guide of his people. Nor has Allah created among his creatures One more faithful to his sojourner or his promise Than he who was the source of our light.
Narrated by Ibn Hisham in the last lines of his Sirat Rasul Allah .

tazkiyyah

22-08-2005, 08:23 AM

A man asked the Prophet about the Hour (i.e. Day of Judgment) saying, "When will the Hour be?" The Prophet said, "What have you prepared for it?" The man said, "Nothing, except that I love Allah and His Apostle. " The Prophet said, "You will be with those whom you love." We had never been so glad as we were on hearing that saying of the Prophet (i.e., "You will be with those whom you love."

tazkiyyah

22-08-2005, 08:25 AM

Among those of my Community who love me most intensely are certain people who will come after me and who would give away their family and property in exchange for seeing me." Muslim narrated it in his Sahih, book of "Paradise and its bliss and people."
A man came to the Prophet and said: "Messenger of Allah, I love you more than my family and my possessions. I remember you and I cannot wait until I can come and look at you. I remember that I will die and you will die and I know that when you enter the Garden, you will be raised up high with the Prophets. When I enter it, I will not see you." Allah then revealed:

"Whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger, they are with those whom He has favored: the Prophets (peace be upon them all), the True Saints, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. Ah! What an excellent company." (4:69)

The Prophet called the man and recited the verse to him.

Tabarani and Ibn Mardawayh narrated it from A'isha and Ibn 'Abbas, and Qadi 'Iyad cited it in al-Shifa' as well as Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (1:310) and al-Baghawi in his.

It is further elucidated by the hadith of 'Umar ...

... whereby a man was punished by the Prophet because of wine-drinking. One day when he was brought to him and he gave orders and had him beaten, one of those present said: "O Allah, curse him. How often he is brought!" The Prophet said: "Do not curse him. I swear by Allah that I know he loves Allah and His Messenger."

Bukhari

tazkiyyah

22-08-2005, 08:25 AM

Amr ibn al-`As said, "There is no one I love better than the Messenger of Allah"

'Abda bint Khalid ibn Ma'dan said, "Khalid never went to bed without remembering how he yearned for the Messenger of Allah, salla-Allahu `aleyhi wa sallam, and his Companions among the Muhajirun and Ansar, and he would name them. He said, 'They are my root and branch, and my heart longs for them. I have yearned for them a long time. My Lord, hasten my being taken to You!'"

Zayd ibn Aslam said, 'Umar went out at night to observe the people and saw a lamp in a house where an old woman was teasing some wool, saying:

"The prayer of the good be upon Muhammad, may the blessed bless him!
I was stabding in tears before dawn.

If only I knew, when death gives us different forms,
Whether the Abode will join me to my beloved!"

she meant the Prophet. `Umar sat down in tears.

It is related that a woman said to `A´isha, "Show me the grave of the Messenger of Allah" She showed it to her and the woman wept until she died.

It's_My_Life

22-08-2005, 08:26 AM

Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuhu

Truly, the prophet Muhammad (pbuh)'s birth was so amazing, for he is the seal of the prophets. However, I cannot relate to what you have just posted to Sufism. BTW don't you think all Muslims love the prophet (pbuh)? Oh, or is it just the Sufis?

Brothers Tazkiyya and Yusuf and Mossy I recommend you read this answer:

Question :

In the sufis thariqa' there was a term call syari'a,thariqa',haqiqa' and ma'rifah.Is this term really have been tought by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)to his companion according to the definition by the thariqa' it self.

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

We must understand that the word al-soofiyyah (Sufism) refers to wearing woollen clothes [the Arabic word soof means “wool”] and nothing else.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The word al-soofiyyah (Sufism) refers to wearing woollen clothes; this is the correct meaning. It was said that it comes from the word safwat al-fuqaha’ (the elite of the fuqaha’) or from Soofah ibn Add ibn Taanijah, an Arab tribe that was known for its asceticism, or from Ahl al-Suffah (poor Muslims in Madeenah at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who used to stay in the mosque), or from al-Safa (the mountain in Makkah), or from the word al-safwah (meaning elite), or from the phrase al-saff al-muqaddam bayna yaday Allaah (the foremost rank before Allaah). All of these views are weak (da’eef); if any of them were true then the word would be saffi or safaa’i or safawi, not sufi.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 11/195

Sufism (tasawwuf) did not appear until after the first three generations which the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) praised when he said, “The best of mankind is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them…” (narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2652; Muslim, 2533; from the hadeeth of Ibn Mas’ood).

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

With regard to the word soofiyyah (Sufism), it was not known during the first three generations, rather it became known after that.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 11/5

This tareeqah and its like are among the innovated ways that go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah and the way followed by the best generations. All the shaykhs of these tareeqahs have made up their own wirds (phrases to be uttered as dhikr), hizb (books of du’aa’ to be read daily by their followers) and ways of worship by which each of them may be distinguished from the others; this goes against sharee’ah and divides the ummah.

Allaah has blessed this ummah by perfecting its religion and completing His Favour upon it, so everyone who comes up with an act of worship or a way that was not brought by sharee’ah is effectively rejecting what Allaah has said and accusing the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) of betraying the trust.

Along with this innovation of theirs, they may also be lying by claiming that they received their tareeqah from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or that they are following the path and guidance of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs (al-khulafa’ al-raashideen).

The scholars of the Standing Committee were asked:

Is there any such thing in Islam as the numerous tareeqahs like the Shaadhilyyah, Khalwatiyyah etc? If there is such a thing, what is the evidence for that? What is the meaning of the verses in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And verily, this is My straight path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His path. This He has ordained for you that you may become Al‑Muttaqoon (the pious)”

[al-An’aam 6:153]

“And upon Allaah is the responsibility to explain the Straight Path. But there are ways that turn aside (such as Paganism, Judaism, Christianity). And had He willed, He would have guided you all (mankind)”

[al-Nahl 16:9]

What are the ways that separate people from the path of Allaah, and what is the way of Allaah? What is the meaning of the hadeeth narrated by Ibn Mas’ood, according to which the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) drew a line and said, “This is the path of guidance,” then he drew lines to its right and another to its left and said, “These are other paths and on each path there is a devil calling people to it”?

They answered:

There is no such thing in Islam as the tareeqahs that you mentioned, or anything else like them. What there is in Islam is what is indicated by the two verses and the hadeeth that you quoted, and what was indicated by the hadeeth in which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Jews split into seventy-one sects, and the Christians split into seventy-two sects. My ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of which will be in Hell except one.” It was asked, “Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “Those who follow the same path as I and my companions are on today.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “A group among my ummah will continue to follow the truth and to be victorious, and they will not be harmed by those who forsake them or oppose them, until the command of Allaah comes to pass when they are like that.” The truth lies in following the Qur’aan and the saheeh, unambiguous Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This is the path of Allaah, this is the Straight Path. This is the straight line mentioned in the hadeeth of Ibn Mas’ood, and this is what was followed by the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) (may Allaah be pleased with them and with their followers among the early generations (salaf) of this ummah, and with those who follow their path). All other tareeqahs or groups are the paths mentioned in the verse (interpretation of the meaning):

“… and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His path…”

[al-An’aam 6:153]

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 2/283, 284

And Allaah knows best.

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It's_My_Life

22-08-2005, 08:28 AM

Also,

Question :

Salam, can you explan surah 4 verse 69...some people say this is what makes sufism allowed. I have read your answer on sufism and agree, but can you please examplain this verse?

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

The aayah which you are asking about is the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And whoso obey Allaah and the Messenger (Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)), then they will be in the company of those on whom Allaah has bestowed His Grace, of the Prophets, the Siddeeqoon (those followers of the Prophets who were first and foremost to believe in them, like Abu Bakr As-Siddeeq), the martyrs, and the righteous. And how excellent these companions are!” [al-Nisaa’ 4:69]

Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his Tafseer:

This means, whoever acts in accordance with the commands of Allaah and His Messenger, and keeps away from whatever Allaah and His Messenger forbid, then Allaah will give him a home in the abode of His generosity, and cause him to be in the company of the Prophets and those who come after them in status, the Siddeeqoon, then the martyrs, then the rest of the believers, who are the righteous who do righteous deeds secretly and openly. Then Allaah praises them, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And how excellent these companions are!” [al-Nisaa’ 4:69]

Al-Bukhaari narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “There is no Prophet who fell sick, but Allaah gave him the choice between this world and the Hereafter.” When he fell ill with his final sickness, his voice became very hoarse, and I heard him saying, ‘in the company of those on whom Allaah has bestowed His Grace, of the Prophets, the Siddeeqoon (those followers of the Prophets who were first and foremost to believe in them, like Abu Bakr As-Siddeeq), the martyrs, and the righteous.’ Then I knew that he had been given the choice.”

(Tafseer Ibn Katheer).

Then he (Ibn Katheer – may Allaah have mercy on him) mentioned something about the reason why this aayah was revealed. Then he said:

Greater than all of this is the glad tidings which were reported in the books of Saheeh and Musnad, etc., through mutawaatir isnaads from a number of the Sahaabah: that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked about a man who loves some people but cannot catch up with them – i.e. he cannot attain the same level as them in doing righteous deeds. He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “A man will be with those whom he loves.” Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Muslims never rejoiced as much as they did when they heard this hadeeth. I love the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and I love Abu Bakr and ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both), and I hope that Allaah will resurrect me with them even though I did not do what they did.

So, as you can see, there is nothing in this aayah that justifies the Sufis and their madhhab.

If the Sufis are sincere, then let them obey Allaah and his Messenger and adhere to His Sharee’ah – as commanded in this aayah – so that they will be among the victorious. As for their claims that the awliyaa’ (“saints”) have knowledge of the Unseen (al-ghayb), which no one knows but Allaah, and their doing Tawaaf around graves and praying to the dead as a means of worship and drawing closer to Allaah – all of this in fact means that they are seeking the help of someone other than Allaah and this is kufr and shirk. They say, “Allaah inspires us with things which He casts into our hearts in addition to what is in the Qur’aan and Sunnah”; and they say that the “elite” do not have to adhere to the Sharee’ah of Islam which is obligatory for the “masses”; and they invent adhkaar (phrases remembering Allaah) which they repeat regularly, which are not in the Qur’aan or in the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him… and after all this, they want to be among the victorious, with the Prophets and Siddeeqoon. On the contrary, they will be with the shayaateen (devils) and mushrikeen. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound. May Allaah bless us and you with the love for His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him and love for his noble companions, and gather us with them in the place of honour with Him, for He is the Sovereign, the One Who is able to do all things.

It's_My_Life

22-08-2005, 08:42 AM

Assalamu Alaikum once again

Dear brothers, I have many doubts concerning certain practices and issues related to Sufism, I understand exactly the issues you were clarifying to me before and I thank you for helping me understand, but I face many contradictions and I would like you, InshaAllah to extinguish these doubts…I also have other questions (not entirely related to Sufism) which I would be grateful if you could help me out with.
Please appreciate the fact that I am asking you and not posting my questions on the net (lol I think you’re very grateful for this) but at the same time, PLEASE be open-minded in order to see from two different viewpoints. Understand that I am just a student of knowledge and Im not presenting these points as a scholar of Islam or as someone with a high status, but merely compiling evidence from the Quran and Sunnah, which is where my doubts about such practices arise. I am not considering you an alim or scholar of any sort, but you seem to know a lot more than I do about these issues…

Please put on your thinking hat and imagine you belong to no sect…please try to see from my viewpoint. I will begin.

Love for the blessed Prophet (saws):

Without Love of the Prophet (saws) (and of Allah swt), our religion would be a set of dead rituals and rules…the love breathes life into our practice of religion. Allah (swt) says in the Quran:

"Undoubtedly, God and His angels love, glorify and bless the Prophet. O believers! You (too) love, glorify and bless the Prophet and salute him with all due respect." (33:56)
"Say (to mankind O Muhammad), If you love God, follow me (and) God will love you..." (3:31)

The way the believers can glorify the Prophet is to praise him through poetic expressions, in writings and in speeches, on radio and on television (and now on the Internet) and in gatherings.
The way the believers can bless the Prophet is by reciting one of the several forms of durud that are traditional and that pray to God to keep blessing the Prophet more and more.
The verse above tells the believer to ‘salute the Prophet with all due respect’. We can salute the Prophet by reciting durud, since all forms of durud contain salutations. This, however, is the least of the ways of saluting the Prophet. The best of the ways is to wholeheartedly accept him as our leader, teacher and guide and to obey him in the spirit.
BUT HOW FAR CAN WE GO IN GLORIFYING THE PROPHET (saws)?
Our faith requires preferring the Prophet over our own lives and loving him more than our children, parents and all mankind, yet we must remember that Muhammad (saws) was no more than a man, a creature of God, the greatest to walk the Earth, no doubt.
All praises for the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) are acceptable if they do not raise him beyond the level of a man and a creature of God. We can, for example, declare him to be the greatest of all the prophets and messengers of God and the crown of all creation.
But do you agree that the Christians are disbelievers? Yes? Well why exactly does Allah refer to them as disbeliveers? Allah states that the Christians are disbelievers because they EXAGGERATE in the position of Isa (as) until they elevate him ABOVE THE RANK THAT ALLAH GAVE HIM…and Allah is holier than what they attribute to Him! The Quran says:
“O People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! DO NOT EXCEED THE LIMITS IN YOUR RELIGION, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. (4: 171)

The Prophet (saws), himself, is reported to have strictly forbade his Ummah from exaggerating. He said:

“DO NOT UNDULY PRAISE ME like the Christians exaggerated over Isa, son of Maryam. Verily, I am only a slave, so say, the slave of Allah and His Messenger.”

WHY, then do I see a lot of exaggeration in the love for the prophet (saws).. you never know how a people can end up saying about Rasulullah (saws).(I already understand the examples you gave me about love, but this hadith is just contradictory to what you are telling me). I am mindful to the fact that the prophet (saws) loved his Ummah more than anything after Allah (swt), and that he will intercede for us on the day of Judgment InshaAllah, as he (saws) himself said:

"I will be the leader of all the children of Adam on the day of judgment. My grave will be the first to open. I will be the first to intercede and my intercession will be accepted first."

I understand its importance, but what I don’t understand is that you base your love of the prophet (saws) on this fact..It seems to me that you are forgetting that even without Rasulullah (saws)’s intercession, Allah is Most Merciful and forgiving. Im confused.

The Prophet (saws) as a witness

When you informed me, or rather..educated me about the prophet (saws)’s witnessing in the grave I whole-heartedly believed he was. I have to be honest, there are new doubts in my mind about this issue.

This is the verse you gave me as evidence, is it not

"O Prophet! We have sent you as a WITNESS, and a bearer of glad-tidings and a warner, and a caller to Allah by His permission..." (33:46)

One of the definitions of ‘witness’ is ‘to be present at, or have personal knowledge of’. We all know that the Quran is open to judgment and to interpretation, and the word ‘witness’is no exception. But Specialists have laid down that anyone attempting a commentary of the Holy Quran should be well versed in fifteen subjects, one of which is lughat (philosophy of language). It is said “one who believes in Allah and the Day of Judgement should not open his lips in respect of the Quran, unless he is thoroughly conversant with the philology of the Arabic language. Why? Because quite often an Arabic word has several meanings, each applied in different contexts. A person may be knowing only one or two of them, though in a given context the actual meaning may be quite different.

Lets look at other verses in the Quran, and other ahadith in order to grasp the meaning of ‘witness’. Allah said:

“Verily, you (O Muhammad) will die, and verily, they (too) will die” (39:30)

“And We granted not to any human being immortality before you (O Muhammad); then if you die, would they live forever?” (21:34)

The Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was a human being who suffered from sickness and real death the same as any other human being. He is the best and most perfect of creation, and the most beloved to Allaah and the most honoured by Him. But this does not mean that his human characteristics are to be denied.
He (saws) died and was buried in his grave, hence Abu Bakr (ra), as you may well know said: “Whoever used to worship Muhammad, Muhammad has died, but whoever used to worship Allah, Allah is alive and will never die.”

We all know that prophet’s bodies do not decompose or change in physical state after death, but if you say that Muhammad (saws) is alive physically, then this is what I need you to clarify. The last statement of the prophet (Saws) establishes that the He(saws) is of course alive, not in the worldly grave, but at the most exalted place in Barzakh:

Narrated Aisha (ra.): “When the Prophet (saws) was healthy, he used to say, ‘No soul of a prophet is captured till he is shown his place in Paradise and then he is given the option…’. When death approached him while his head was on my thigh, he became unconscious and then recovered his consciousness. He then looked at the ceiling of the house and said, ‘O Allah! (with) the highest companions’. I said (to myself), "Hence, he is not going to choose us". Then I realized that what he had said was the application of the narration which he used to mention to us when he was healthy. The last word he spoke was, ‘O Allah ! the highest companion’. "

If you believe that the Prophet (saws) is alive in the worldly grave, it means to say that the Prophet (saws) has preferred the company of the worldly people to the company of Almighty Allah in order to listen to SALAT-O-SALAM and respond. This notion is evidently false, as the above hadith shows the Prophet (saws) chose to be with The Almighty.

We know He (saws) is alive (not physically) in his grave, but relating to the prophet (saws)’s role as a witness, is there a direct way he can hear us? You gave me one verse (the first one I mentioned) to prove your point that He, saws CAN hear us and needs no aide or assistance (except for Allah granting Him permission and ability, as you told me. BUT you did not take this very significant hadith into consideration:

Ibn Mas’ood (ra) narrates that Nabi (saws) said, “Verily, Allah has angels travelling through the earth, THEY BRING TO ME THE SALAMS OF MY UMMAH.”

If the Prophet (saws) can hear us directly, then why do angels have to BRING the salams to Him (saws)? If it was so, there would be no need of these angels. Am I right? Here is another Hadith:

Nabi (saws) said, “Whoever recites Salawaat upon me, I hear it and whoever sends Salawat to me AND HE IS NOT BY ME, his Salawat is BROUGHT TO ME.” (Nasaaie).

Please be open-minded here. Yes, this hadith says ‘whoever recites salwat upon me I hear it’, but if you look at the rest of the hadith, CLEARLY, you know that the latter part of the hadith indicates whenever someone recites salawaat IN HIS, (saws)’s PRESENCE, He hears it.

If He (saws) can hear us, it may indicate He also has knowledge of the unseen. But this is what Allah (swt) says:
“Say (O Muhammad): ‘… If I had the knowledge of the Ghaib (Unseen), I should have secured for myself an abundance of wealth…” (7:188)

This clearly shows he does not have knowledge of the unseen, ofcourse except what Allah azza wa jal taught Him (saw).

‘The fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was a witness, a bringer of glad tidings and a warner, and that he will be a witness on the Day of Resurrection, does not mean that he is present among all nations, or that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) will remain alive until the Day of Resurrection, or that he sees and witnesses whilst he is in his grave. Witnessing does not only mean seeing. Rather he will testify against the nations by means of what Allaah tells him, for he does not know the unseen’.
(source: http://www.*************/QA/1|Basic_Tenets_of_Faith%28Aqeedah%29/Al-Nabuwwah_walAnbiyaa%27_%28Prophethood_and_the_Prop hets%29/Is_the_Prophet_alive_and_present_on_the_earth_at_t his_time.21022001.6084.shtml)

The Prophet (saws)’s presence before He came to Earth

I read from the book ‘Prophet Muhammad’ by Haaja Amina that the prophet (saws) was present even before Allah created the heavens and the earth. That’s one of the reasons why I loved the book, compared to others, it gave me the impression that I had very limited knowledge…I had never known that the prophet (saws) existe before any of the alamin. BUT (my ‘buts’ always come in) I came across these verses in the Quran:

"And you(Oh prophet saws) were not with them(present) when they cast their pens(to decide) which of them should be Maryam's guardian." (3 :44)

"the Prophet was not present when musa was called upon tur" (28 :46)

You may say, yes the holy Prophet(saws) was not present, physically speaking at these, but if he was at all present before His earthly appearance, where is the evidence to prove so? The book uses very weakly narrated hadith, and I did not even find the source of the ahadith the author used!

‘Singing the Quran’

You told me different people have different tones in their voice for reading the Quran, and indeed different melodies, BUT..

‘Singing’ the Quran is very different to ‘chanting’ it, and a distinction has even been made between them in the hadith:

The Messenger of Allah (saws) said: 'He who does not chant the Koran (vain repetition) is not of us.' Bukhari.

But he also said, at the end of this lengthly hadith:

The Holy Prophet of Islam (saws, describing the signs of the Day of Judgement said: "Verily, amongst the signs of the Hour is that people will neglect prayers and will follow their desires, and will incline towards their own preferences. In
those days, there will be people who will learn the Quran for other than Allah (ie. For earning worldly benefits), AND WILL TREAT THE QURAN AS MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS; and there will be people who will study religion for other than Allah (for earning prestige or wealth) and the number of illegitimate children will increase AND PEOPLE WILL SING THE QURAN and will adore musical instruments, and will dislike enjoining good and forbidding evil. These are the people who will be called unclean and dirty in the Kingdom of Heaven".

And in another narration:

Huzaifah reported that the Apostle of Allah said: "Read the Quran with the tunes (reading tones) of the Arabs and their accents, and guard yourselves from the tunes of the paramours and the tunes of the People of the Books (Christians and Jews). There will soon appear a people after me who will sing the Quran with songs and mournings. It will not cross their throat. Their hearts will be tried... (judged)."

So is singing the Quran considered lawful? And under what grounds?

Group Thikr

With group thikr, I am referring to, for example loudly reciting ‘Allah’ many times in a group.
This is what I found on the net:
‘This is the essence of Tasawwuf; by a continuous repetition of ALLAH’s name, the heart finds the capability, by which a person accepts the Islamic beliefs from the depths of his heart, and then finds the courage to follow the sunnah.
If the heart is acquainted with ALLAH and is engaged in His Zikr; when it contains the Personal Name of ALLAH, it never issues a command contradicting His Injunctions. When it does not give such orders, the limbs do not indulge in disobedience. This is why Sufi saints target the heart and teach the seekers how to practice Zikr-e-Qalbi. Once the heart becomes enlightened with Divine Lights, the entire body will turn to virtue. Mind eyes, ears, tongue, hands and feet are all pawns to this monarch (the heart) and dare not act against its desires. This is the crux of a Hadith which says "that a lump of flesh in the human body is such that when it goes astray the entire body is misguided, and if it is reformed the entire body is reformed. Know for sure that this lump is the heart.
Adherence to the Sunnah is greatly emphasized because through its blessings the seeker achieves better and quicker progress.’
(source: http://www.owaisiah.com/whatistasawwuf.htm)

I totally agree that reciting ‘Allah’ many times will create strong emotional feelings and will bring a sense of peace and control in the mind, and in the heart, as I have tried it myself. But think of meditation…reciting ANY word many times in a state of relaxation will surely bring the same feelings.
The above text mentions that adherence to the sunnah is also necessary but in no hadith can we find the sahaba or the Prophet SAWS loudly reciting ‘Allah’ many times.
The way to get closer to Allah most high is by performing righteous deeds, voluntary and obligatory...do you agree?
Allah has told our beloved prophet Muhammad [saw] in a Hadeeth Qudsi:
The most beloved things with which My slave comes nearer to Me, IS WHAT I HAVE ENJOINED UPON HIM; and my slave keeps on coming closer to Me through performing voluntary deeds till I love him, then I become his sense with which he hears (i.e. the slave only likes to hear what is pleasing to Allah) , and his sense of sight with which he sees (i.e. he only likes to see what is pleasing to Allah), and his hand with which he grips (i.e. he only likes to do those works with his hands which are pleasing to Allah), and his leg with which he walks (i.e. he only likes to go to places which are pleasing to Allah); and if he asks Me, I will give him, and if he asks my protection (refuge), I will protect him; (i.e. Give him my refuge)' Bukhari

(Relating to group thikr), you said there are two types of bid’ah, the good and the bad. I looked all over the internet for ‘good bidah’ but to no avail. Please provide me with any piece of evidence for this.
Im sure there are differing views, but if there are two types, then this should fit all of them:

Abu Haneefah (ra) said:
"Adhere to the athar (narration) and the tareeqah (way) of the Salaf (Pious Predecessors) and beware of newly invented matters for ALL OF IT is innovation."

If I am wrong, please show me my mistake.
Allah (swt) says in the Quran:

"And hold fast to the rope of Allah, and do not be divided amongst
yourselves."(3:103)

"And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them." (3:105)

The rope is the Quran and Sunnah. Division obviously comes from groups straying away from the Quran and the Sunnah. If a practice is not mentioned or approved of in the Quran or Sunnah, surely it is unacceptable. Please brother, be open-minded about this. Im not trying to prove you wrong or anything but I’m just providing my argument so that InshaAlah you can get back to me on these points. Whatever we differ in, the only way we can form an agreement is by referring back to the Shariah, the Quran and the Sunnah, as Allah the Almighty says:

"O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and those of you who are in authority. If you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. This is better and more suitable for final determination." (4:59)

Wa Allahu A’lam

I haven’t displayed the information in the most organized fashion but I hope it will all make sense to you. I apologise if I’ve taken too much of your time or if I’ve upset you in any way. Please understand I purely want these doubts out of my head.

Wa Jazakum Allahu Khairan.

Wassalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuhu

tazkiyyah

22-08-2005, 08:55 AM

Sister- i understand your points, and perhaps they can be discussed in the in depth tasawuf forum?

As for myself...In no way do I worship Muhammad(saw)!
I worship only Allah(swt) and acknowledge that Muhammad(saw) is the greatest creation of Allah...He taught us tawheed.
In fact without him even tawheed is not complete...there are jews who believe in one God too...but dont honour Muhammad(saw).
I hope that clarifies my aqeeda

I used the word slave only metaphorically.....not literally.
Like Bilal used to be a slave to his master...it doesnt mean bilal worshipped his master...he was grounded in tawheed..he used to say ahad ahad.
I meant it in poetical metaphorical language...not to be taken literally...
Sometimes in extreme joy..dont take everything literally sis

The Messenger of Allah (swt) told us a parable which illustrates this unique concept of forgiveness. He said, "Allah is more pleased with the repentance of His servant than a person riding a camel in a waterless desert who loses his camel and all his provisions of food and drink which it is carrying. Having abandoned all hope of ever finding the camel, he lies down in the shade of a tree that he happens to come across. While he is resting, he suddenly sees the camel standing right in front of him. He grasps hold of its reins and then, in sheer joy, blurts out, ‘O Lord, You are my Servant and I am Your lord!’ He makes this mistake out of extreme joy" (Al-Bukhari

I agree that if i meant i worshiped him, that would be shirk.

Hope thats more clear?

It's_My_Life

22-08-2005, 09:17 AM

Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuhu

Jazak Allahu Khayr brother I do understand. InshaAllah your aqeeda is only what you have stated and nothing more.

I think if you look up the word slave then you wouldn't think about using it to explain your love for the Prophet (pbuh)

Jazak Allahu Khayr once again

May Allah (SWT) guide us all on the straight path, and forgive our sins intentionally and unintentionally

W'Salaam

tazkiyyah

22-08-2005, 09:21 AM

Sister

Zaid iBn Haritha...was the slave -he used to do the housework in the household of Muhammad(saw)
Was that shirk?

Mossy

22-08-2005, 09:28 AM

Sis, IslamQA isn't exactly the most Hanafi of websites. In fact it's pretty straight out salafi. You can see their aqeedah is not in line with the aqeedah of our Hanafi ulema and they deny the validity of ashari aqeedah too.

With respect to the first fatwa you posted, I would refer you to the sharh of the Hanafi scholars which is available in other threads on this forum, stating clearly that it refers to ahlul sunnah wal jamah, which includes groups not extant in the age of the salaf such as Hanafis, Shafis, Asharis, Maturidis etc. Why? Because these "groups" are merely tools for approaching the truth.

We would ask the salafis why they follow the khalaf such as Ibn Taymiyyah in all things rather than referring back to salaf - what reason for following someone who came so much after?

It is well known that salafis have a major bias against sufis - why would you read the statements of the former but refuse to see the clarifications of the latter?

Also if possible, could you please indicate any Hanafi fatwa's against sufis.

More later.

islamonline

22-08-2005, 01:56 PM

Who stole my Avator :(

Saleel

22-08-2005, 02:49 PM

:salam: It's_My_Life.

Short on time, but just a few quick pointers :insh:.

Firstly, as brother Mossy mentioned, don't use Islam-QA as an authentic source for all your knowledge. Masha'Allah it is a good site for adillah, but they affirm to the Salafi creed. This manhaj is a huge minority in the Ummah, as well as having severe problems with its Aqeedah. You indicated that you're Hanafi by Madhhab :mash:, so reading "fatwas" from Islam-QA isn't ideal for you. Stick to the Hanafi fatwa sites such as www.askimam.org www.shariahboard.org (Urdu audio) and www.sunnipath.com.

Secondly, if at this stage the terms "Sufism" or "Tasawwuf" ring alarm bells, use the word "Tazkiyyah" (purification of the naffs) instead, which no-one can deny. (All three terms are infact synonymous with each other.) This is the essence of Tasawwuf... creating a strong link with Allah swt, ridding ourselves of the evil which society is immersed in, creating real muhabba of our beloved RasulAllah saw in our hearts, emulating every aspect of him, and living our lives in total accordance to the Quran and Sunnah.

Sound like shirk yet? No? Good, carry on...

What I've found most often the case is misinterpretations or even misrepresentations of the true meanings. We all know how the media works today... "Islam is a religion of violence, it was spread by the sword... etc." and most of us - :alhamd: - switch off to these sorts of claims. The same can be said about Tazkiyyah.

Tazkiyyah isn't about dancing around, floating around in the sky, worshipping dead people in the graves and walking around naked because you've "left the material goods behind". You won't find a single Sufi worshipping a dead person and a Scholar praising this act. We all accept this is Shirk. Worshipping needs to be distinguised from Tawassul which there has been unanimous opinion on its permissibilty in Ahle Sunnah wal-Jamah. You'll even find reports of Tawassul taking place in Samrkand after the death of Imam Bukhari.

There are many facets of Sufism which seem on the surface to be contradictory to Shariah. For example, it is often stated by Salafi learned dudes that Sufis believe in Wahadtul-Wujood (I believe Islam QA also states this, though I didn't have time to read the quotes you posted). Of course Muslims believe in this... the problem here is is that Salafis create lies, and then refute the lies... which seems pretty bay-aql. Khair, Salafis claim this concept of W-W means that Sufis believe everything IS Allah swt. This is an issue of Aqeedah, which Ahle Sunnah wal-Jamah do not believe in. The correct translation of Wahadtul-Wujood is to believe that everything is a clear sign of Allah swt. Do not even the Salafis accept that the duniya and everything in it is clear sign of Allah swt?

They often misquote and refute Kashf. Once again, there are clear reports of Kashf from Umar (ra) and Abu Hanafi (ra) - search here on SF to read them :insh:.

But time and again it's always the same arguments - you explain the true meanings to them, but the way they work is to ignore what you say and just return to creating and refuting lies.

There's one article in particular written by Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller on Tasawwuf - as an introduction and :mash: it's an excellent article. It hasn't been written to "brainwash" - people of aql can make their own decisions! But it's been delivered and written as a basis of explaining what Tasawwuf is... Make sure you do read it :insh:.

The Place of Tasawwuf in Traditional Islam (http://www.saleel.com/article.php?story=20050330130504970)

A lot more to say on the topic, but alas, time has eluded me. Just to say, don't think anyone is brainwashing you here... you asked, and we're here to reply. Ultimately, Allah swt alone gives guidance, so if one's heart is pure and mind open, haq will :insh: prevail. Very much like a dark room... turn on the lights, darkness dissappears. In the same way, it's just that switch of haq that needs to be found... and when it's switched on, batil automatically dissappears :insh:.

:salam:

tazkiyyah

23-08-2005, 09:50 AM

Oh My lord they accuse me of innovation,
But what have I uttered but your Beloved's adulation
And I strive to live a life in his admiration,
At the tombs of the sufis I wonder in Fascination

Though the wahhabis accuse me of abberation
Surely they have strayed and are guilty of deviation
For our way is that of the righteous scholars' orientation
Though we cannot hope to attain their noble station

So whilst the wahhabis take Muhammad's (saw) home to annihilation,
Because they hate to see its lovers wander in congregation,
They invite Burger King and McDonalds and every other multinational corporation
To Build Sky scrapers to dwarf the House of God - What a transformatioN!

Smash Muhammad's home to pieces they laugh in their misinterpretation
Of the scared islamic texts- With their DIY Imagination
Smash it all you like- he lives in our hearts and meditation
And he responds to our salams -And we shall continue our melodic CelebratiON!

Iqbal Muhammad Raakin

27-08-2005, 11:44 AM

Basically my opinions on sufism (i'll go straight to the point) is that it's all a form of shirk.. I know you guys don't realise
Have you heard, the people who used to worship idols to get closer to Allah (that's what they say)? Isn't Sufism similar? Loving the prophet (pbuh) TOO much in order to get closer to Allah?

Salaam.
Accusing Sufism of being a form of shirk is a very dangerous thing to do! You may be accusing many Awliya of commiting shirk!...And we are all aware of that Hadith Qudsi?
Salaam.

Afzal

03-09-2005, 05:16 AM

Asslam-o-Alaikum!

I agree with the brother Iqbal Muhammad.

The word Sufi has its origin in Tasawwuf. The root word of Tasawwuf is the Arabic word Saaf, meaning pure, clean or blank. So the word Tasawwuf means purifying or making clean. A Sufi is a person who practices purification of heart.

There are alternate theories of the origin of the word Sufi. One view is that it originates from Suf (صوف), the "ARABIC" word for "WOOL" in the sence of "cloak" referring to the simple cloaks the original Sufis wore. Some scholars (see Tor Andrae's Garden of Myrtles) have suggested that this derivation gives credence to early Sufism's link with Syriac Christian monastic orders. Woolen clothes were common in these monastic orders, but uncommon amongst normal Muslims of the time.

The Greek terms Sophos/Sophia, literally implying "wisdom" or "enlightenment", have also sometimes been asserted as the source of the word Sufi. Although this etymology has largely been discredited, it was popular amongst orientalists in the early 20th Century.

Most Sufis agree with the first definition, while most scholars tend to adhere to the second. The two were combined by the acclaimed sufi Junayd al-Baghdadi (d. 920 CE) in the famous saying, "The Sufi is the one who wears wool on top of purity..."

and taliking about the shirk is the "want of Help directly from these sufi's except from Allah Almighty"

LovinMyDeen

20-09-2005, 04:09 AM

Omar HH

20-09-2005, 04:09 AM

LovinMyDeen

20-09-2005, 04:49 AM

Asalamu alaikum it would be nice if u say salam back anyway brother are u preferring to me on that quote?

a_rafee

21-09-2005, 04:14 AM

Salams by the way the brother that posted up saying he believes in sufism please consider changing ur mind Jazkallah kayr, and next time people before stating something bring proof from the holy Quran or hadiths, so u can clear ones mind.

Almost all Muslim scholars of the past were Sufis. I dunno why certain people are making fuss about this. Do you think these brightest scholars who were living under Golden Era of Islam know nothing about Qur'an and Ahadeeth. How is it even possible to compare their knowledge to ours as we live in the era with No Khalifat, having insulted by Kuffars in our Holy Lands...with very weak Imaan......this is beyong my immagination.

..as Shiekh Nuh Ha Meem Keller puts:" It is scrapping a Mercedes for a go-cart. "

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/madhhab.htm

LovinMyDeen

21-09-2005, 04:19 AM

Asalamu alaikum brother i have nothing against sufis but some things they believe in is shirk and read my post above please to understand.

Omar HH

21-09-2005, 05:31 AM

LovinMyDeen

21-09-2005, 06:20 AM

Asalamu alaikum i am shafii, but i am Muslim thats more important!

Live for Islam

21-09-2005, 06:54 AM

Sister, I think you've been misinformed about what Tasawwuf is. Getting your info from ghair muqallid sites is not a good thing, they no doubt spread anti-tasawwuf propaganda since they have misunderstood sufism and have far-fetched ideas relating to it.

To give you a simple explanation and as one of our scholars put it: Tasawwuf is acting upon what one knows, the deeni knowledge that one has.

You may find the following beneficial, Insha-Allah: What is Tasawwuf? (http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/what_tasawwuf.htm)

Wallahu Alam

LovinMyDeen

21-09-2005, 07:03 AM

Asalamu alaikum sister my main point is some things that sufis believe such as praising the prophet lead to shirk. Jazkallah kayr for the website.

a_rafee

23-09-2005, 06:24 AM

Asalamu alaikum i am shafii, but i am Muslim thats more important!

Well..you know what....Shafiiiz are Muslims.

a_rafee

23-09-2005, 06:48 AM

Asalamu alaikum brother i have nothing against sufis but some things they believe in is shirk and read my post above please to understand.

First you accuse them of Shirk, and then you say you have nothing against them. Let me make this clear as possible Tawassuf is one of the branches of Islam and is mentioned in the books of various Ulemas of the past and Present. Tasawwuf was considered one of the 18 sciences that a scholar had to learn to properly be a Muslim. It is for this reason that vols. 10 and 11 of Majmu` al-Fataawa by Imaam Ibn Taymiyyah are dedicated to that very thing. If one should go the the Maqbarah Sufiyyah in Damascus, they will find Imaams Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn ul-Qayyim buried therein.

Accusing Sufis of Shirk is Gunah-e-Kabira for the fact that you are alleging all the Muslims of the Past as Mushrik. Imagine in the past we used to convert Mushriks to Muslims but nowdays we want to lebel Muslims as Mushriks.

In fact one brother wrote interesting post elsewhere, I humbly quote word by word over here:

as salaamu alaikum
I 'd just like to make a point that if we look at the history of islam from the umaayd times to the end of the ottoman period we can cleary see something interesting.
All the legitmate islamic governments, armies and scholors followed one of the madhabs in fiqh and were either ashari maturidi of hanbali in creed and most were either sufiyyah themselves or had a strong connection and admiration for the sufi shuyukh.
some examples of this are the murabitun (maliki ashari qadiri's) who conquered the maghreb and rescued and secured islam in al andulus from the christian invasions, the great mujahid salah ud din ayubi who was a shafa'i ashari and a grand patron of the qadiri tariqa
and Mehmet al Fatih ( hanafi maturidi naqshabandi) who conquered constantinople, there is also a sound hadith from the Rasul sallallahu alaihi wa salam foretelling this man and his victory in which he and his army are called "blessed". there are many more examplesof these noble mujahidun and amirs such as the mamluks and the mughals.
So this begs the question if we are to believe the proposterous claims of the wahabi/salafis et al why would Allah azza wa jall leave his deen in the custody of people that the salafis claim are seriously deviant in every area of islam and why are they the only ones recorded on the pages of history as the great mujahidun ? and defenders of islam and the muslims ? while in all this time (and it is a very long time) the wahabi/salafis where no where to be seen? and when they did arise they killed the muslims and made friends with the kuffar (killed the people of makka madinah and taif etc and made concordance first with the british through the dispicable abdalAziz ibn saud and then with the americans through the pathetic saudi family oil interests) is this really the stright path as you claim ? the "correct deen" Under the wahabi salafis the situation of the muslims only gets worse and they remain hopelessley impotent and weak unable to organise themseleves or change their situation , one salafi shaykh even gave a fatwa inviting the kuffar army to come and defend arabia how much more dismal can it get ?
while in the history of islam under the orthodox fathers we only see success after success and the formation of luminous societies and people who lived their deen to the full and made a sucess of it and where not under the yoke of the kuffar as we are now that the wahabi/salafis are in ascendencey
As far as being Sufis, we are not, as the word Sufi is synonymous with the word faqih, and none of us working in the outreach have reached that level yet. But Allah can exalt whichever of his slaves He chooses to in the future.

a_rafee

23-09-2005, 09:02 PM

O God! Grant us the honor and pleasure

Of dying at the feet of our beloved Master.

O sword of Love! We have waited and waited so long

Inflict now on us a wound, which is serious and strong.

___

LovinMyDeen

24-09-2005, 01:50 AM

Salams, u know it is compulsory to say the salam back. And by the way when i said shafii i meant that isnt really important of which madhab i am. Believe it or not i got this info from a site where they get quotes from the quran and hadiths and scholars, and good for u if u believe it or not! By the way ALL PRAISE IS DUE TO ALLAH NOT THE MESSENGER (SAW).

LovinMyDeen

24-09-2005, 01:57 AM

Salams i am not accusing anyone of shirk i told u for the last time, this info about sufis was from a site. if u read my other post u will see that some things that sufis believe in are shirk like going to the graves of sheiks and praising them and praising the messenger oh my do u get anything please do no twist my words around and if u dont believe me go to www.************, the website islamqa which stands for islamic questions and answers. I like to tell my bro/sis things from the quran and ulamas not my opinion so stop being offensive JAZKALLAH KAYR.

LovinMyDeen

24-09-2005, 01:58 AM

Salams
read this maybe u will understand???????
Is the “Da’wah and Tableegh” group one of the misguided groups? And what about Sufism?.

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

It is important for us to understand, firstly, that the words “Tasawwuf” and “Sufism” are modern terms which refer to something that is not automatically approved of in sharee’ah as the words eemaan (faith), Islam and ihsaan are. Neither is it automatically condemned like the words kufr, fusooq (immorality) and ‘asyaan (disobedience, sin).

In such cases, we need to find out more about what is meant by such words before we can pass comment. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “The words al-faqr and al-tasawwuf (i.e., Sufism) may include some things that are loved by Allaah and His Messenger, and these are things that are enjoined even if they are called faqr or tasawwuf, because the Qur’aan and Sunnah indicate that they are mustahabb and that is not altered if they called by other names. That also includes actions of the heart such as repentance and patience. And it may include things that are hated by Allaah and His Messenger, such as some kinds of belief in incarnation and pantheism, or monasticism that has been innovated in Islam, or things that go against sharee’ah and have been innovated, and so on. These things are forbidden no matter what names they are given… And it may include limiting oneself to a certain style of clothing or certain customs, ways of speaking and behaving, in such a way that anyone who goes beyond it is regarded as an outsider, although this is not something that has been stipulated in the Qur’aan or Sunnah; rather it may be something that is permissible or it may be something that is makrooh, and this is a bid’ah that is forbidden. This is not the way of the friends of Allaah (awliya’ Allaah); such things are innovations and misguidance that exists among those who claim to follow the Sufi path. Similarly, among those who claim to be servants of knowledge there are innovations that involve beliefs and words that go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah, using phrases and terminology that have no basis in sharee’ah. Many such things happen among those people.

The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah and disobey Allaah and His Messenger. He accepts from every group that which was taught by the Messenger… when a person seeks the truth and justice, based on knowledge, he is one of the successful friends of Allaah and His victorious party…

Al-Fataawa, 11/280-290.

But what Shaykh al-Islam said about the view of Sufis depending on their situation is almost too theoretical for our times, when the objectionable matters that he referred to have become part of the path of those who call themselves Sufis nowadays, in addition to the different occasions they celebrate such as the Mawlid, and their exaggeration about their living shaykhs, and their attachment to shrines and graves, where they pray and circumambulate the graves and make vows to them, and other well-known practices of theirs. Because of these matters, the correct approach now is to warn against them with no reservations. This is what was agreed upon by the Standing Committee in their answer to a question about the ruling on the Sufi tareeqahs that exist nowadays. They said:

Usually those that are called Sufis nowadays follow bid’ahs (innovations) that constitute shirk, as well as other kinds of bid’ah, such as when some of them say “Madad ya sayyid (Help, O Master)”, and call upon the qutubs (“holy men”), and recite dhikr in unison using names by Allaah has not called Himself, like saying “Huw, Huw (He, He)” and “Ah, Ah (a contraction of the word ‘Allaah’)”. Whoever reads their books will be aware of many of their innovations that constitute shirk, and other evils.

With regard to the Jamaa’at al-Tableegh, this is one of the groups that is active in the field of da’wah, calling people to Allaah. They do a great deal of good and make commendable efforts. How many sinners have repented at their hands, and how many have now become devoted to worship of Allaah. But this group is not free of some innovations in knowledge and action, to which the scholars have drawn attention. But whatever the case they cannot be described as being one of the misguided groups. We have quoted above the words of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah: The wise believer agrees with all people in that in which they are in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah and obey Allaah and His Messenger, but he does not agree with that in which they go against the Qur’aan and Sunnah. For more information on this group, see the answer to questions no. 8674 and 39349.

a_rafee

24-09-2005, 07:42 AM

Salams, u know it is compulsory to say the salam back.

Wa alaikumu Salaam wa Rahmatullah.

By the way, I did utter out loudly the response to your Salaam. I don't think it is necessary to write the response of Salaam. In any case, I wrote it down this time so as to make you happy :).

And by the way when i said shafii i meant that isnt really important of which madhab i am. Believe it or not i got this info from a site where they get quotes from the quran and hadiths and scholars, and good for u if u believe it or not!

In my opinion, it is very important to ascribe yourself to one of the four madahibs. All these rulings in these mazahibs are done by very qualified Muttaqi scholars living in the Golden Era of Islam, and believe me they did much more research on Qur'an and Sunnah than any of the scholars you can think of in our time. Islam is followed for 1400 years..why do we need to analyze the Qur'an and Sunnah from scratch when all the hard work is already by the Noble scholars. Furthrmore, the proofs provided by them is much more highly advance and beyond our understanding. We should also note that it is very easy to quote Qur'anic verses and Ahadeeth to back your opinion. But the main task is to analyze them properly and then come to the valid conclusions which al-humdilillah if you read the books of these pious ulemas of the past, they have done an excellent job in that.

By the way ALL PRAISE IS DUE TO ALLAH NOT THE MESSENGER (SAW).

1. Indeed All Praises is due to Allah SWT and Peace and Blessings of Allah SWT be upon His Beloved Prophet SAW

2. I don't know what is the reason behind bringing this. The manner in which you unnecesary mentioned the Holy Prophet (SAW) is crude, uncivilized and insulting. Even though it was true yet Muslims should express utmost respect when it comes to mentioning the Noble Prophet SAW.

3. By the way, do you know the meaning of the word "Muhammad" is One who is praised most. The reason this name is given to our beloved Prophet SAW is because Allah SWT himself praises him in the Noble Qur'an. Allah praising someone is valued a lot more as compared to all the creations praising anyone.

"And lo! thou art of a tremendous nature (character)." (68:4)

"Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessing on him and salute him with a worthy salutation." (33:56)

a_rafee

24-09-2005, 08:26 AM

Salams i am not accusing anyone of shirk i told u for the last time, this info about sufis was from a site. if u read my other post u will see that some things that sufis believe in are shirk like going to the graves
.

Wa alaikumu Salaam Wa rahmatullah.

Why would going to graves be regarded as Shirk? Please eloberate.

We should note that Shirk means attributing or doing things that exclusively belongs to Allah. Going to graves in what way would be viewed as Shirk is beyond my imagination. In fact our beloved Prophet SAW used to visit graves and urged us to go over there.

The Prophet (May Allah send abundant blessings upon him) said: I used to ban you from the visitation of graves, now, visit them. (Bukhari)

of sheiks and praising them and praising the messenger

We are actually told in the Noble Qur'an to praise our Noble Prophet SAW. Our prophet SAW used to encourage people to praise him. In fact Allah SWT himself praises His Beloved SAW.

"Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessing on him and salute him with a worthy salutation." (33:56)

Love for the Prophet SAW is one of the condition of becoming a Muslim:

"Say: If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives, and your tribe, and the wealth ye have acquired, and merchandise for which ye fear that there will be no sale, and dwellings ye desire are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger and striving in His way: then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass. Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk." (9:24)

"The Prophet is closer to the believers than theirselves." (33:6)

The truthful news giver, Peace be upon him. Says: "None of you can be a believer until and unless he starts loving me more than his parents, his children and all others."

Love of Sahabah for the Noble Prophet SAW

Hazrat Umar Farooq, the Caliph, may Allah be pleased with him, says that once he said to the Prophet, peace be upon him, "O Messenger of Allah! you are dearer to me than everything in the world except my life." In response the Holy Prophet, peace be upon him said "By Allah, in Whose hands lies my life, the purpose will not be achieved unless I become dearer to you than your own life.

Hazrat Abu Bakr RA said: "By Allah, I shall neither take any food nor drink water until I am rewarded with the sight of Rasool Allah (Muhammad), peace be upon him."

The above is just a glimpse of the love shown by the dedicated Sahabas. It is really sad to see that you are objecting to the General Muslims for the fact that they praise and love their Prophets. Prophet SAW is required to be loved more than anything even ourselves!

Please refer to Dignified Love that Glorifies ... By Syed Riaz Hussain Shah. Just google it, you will get the article.

oh my do u get anything please do no twist my words around and if u dont believe me go to www.************, the website islamqa which stands for islamic questions and answers. I like to tell my bro/sis things from the quran and ulamas not my opinion so stop being offensive JAZKALLAH KAYR

I beg your pordon. When did I offend you in any way or twist your words? As for Islam Qa, I used to go over there when I was heavily influenced by the Wahabis. The website only agrees with the opinion of one scholar of the Past i.e Imam Ibn Taymiyyah and presend day Salafi modern-day scholars (who are not even reliable as they lack ijaza). In other words, they reject the qualified opinions of the vast majority of scholars of the past and give importance to only one, which I believe is injustice and iniquity. It does NOT present the creedal belief of Muslim Orthodoxy as known from the generations before from the Qur’an and the Sunna, as well as the agreed upon texts transmitted through the centuries.

The website is discussed in great detail over here:
Islam QA typifies Wahhabism By Shiekh Haddad.
Type this on google and you will get the article.

I would recommend you to visit www.sunnipath.com and go through the article written by scholars like Shiekh Nu Ha Meem Keller, Shiekh Abdul Hakim etc etc.

a_rafee

24-09-2005, 08:37 AM

LovinMyDeen

24-09-2005, 10:23 AM

Asalamu alaikum (AGAIN U DIDNT REPLY UR SALAM!) you know what arent you a sufi? tell me what u practice, and why is it different?
Brother please reply salams because its compulsory, im just trying to save u from getting sins!

LovinMyDeen

24-09-2005, 11:19 AM

Salams Sorry Brother I Did Not Read Carefully Sorry And Jzks For The Salam!!!!!!

LovinMyDeen

24-09-2005, 11:31 AM

Salams is nearly every bro/sis here sufi? Because most people seem to be against what ever i say about the belief of sufi's.

Please dont get offended!
salams

Shaykhs-Pir Sahib

24-09-2005, 11:45 AM

Salams is nearly every bro/sis here sufi? Because most people seem to be against what ever i say about the belief of sufi's.

Please dont get offended!
salams

no offence taken, but you have to realise that tasawwuf or sufism is valid in islam, and it is considered a science, just like the sciences of tafsir, fiqh etc...

when people say it was not around at the time of the salaf, this is a false statement because neither were the terms tafsir, and fiqh in the way we use them now. however, the reality still existed i.e. interpretation of the qur'an was taking place, as was the laying of the foundations of jurisprudence.

in the same way, tasawwuf or spiritual purification was taking place, not necessarily with the same name. 'tasawwuf is now a name without a reality, in the time of the salaf, it was reality without a name'.

tasawwuf is simply spiritual purification, cleaning one's heart from its diseases. it is the essentially the same as tazkiyat al-nafs, and ilm al-suluk. it is a means of drawing nearer to Allah subhanu wa t'ala, and a manisfestation of the term 'ihsan' or excellence, an integral part of the deen as proven in the Jibril Hadith.

as for specific practices and beliefs of sufi's, if they contradict the shari'a they are wrong, if they don't, they are not wrong. it has nothing to do with tasawwuf itself.

most of the scholars of this ummah accepted tasawwuf, and many took a specific spiritual path. as far as i know, the deobandi school clearly accepts tasawwuf, and has many great sufi's. we all know the barelwi's are sufis. and the majority of ulama today who follow maddhabs also accept tasawwuf.

to reject sufism is rejecting a massive chunk of our history.

also, it is a fact that the islam after the earlier generations, spread mainly through the efforts and dawah of the sufis. this is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt: India, Pakistan, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Bosnia, Chechnya

TDR

24-09-2005, 04:47 PM

Salams is nearly every bro/sis here sufi? Because most people seem to be against what ever i say about the belief of sufi's.

Please dont get offended!
salams
Salaams

Yes, most people here believe that ilm-ul-tassawuf, or sufism, is a part of islam as much as ilm-ul-fiqh. I could tell from your posts you didn't realise this. Especially the articles you post from the islamq&a website. That website is considered to be salafi/wahabi and although they are entitled to their opinions, most people don't consider their opinions to be valid.

Mashallah, it is very good that you choose to follow the quran and sunnah through scholars as opposed to making your own opinions. I'm sure you will also agree that not all who quote ayats and hadith do so correctly even though every single group out there claims to do so.

Wassaam

Shaykhs-Pir Sahib

24-09-2005, 05:11 PM

Mashallah, it is very good that you choose to follow the quran and sunnah through scholars as opposed to making your own opinions. I'm sure you will also agree that not all who quote ayats and hadith do so correctly even though every single group out there claims to do so.

Wassaam

salam

yes, the problem is people who even claim to be scholars do not possess the necessary tools to decipher the more deeper issues in the Qur'an and Hadith.

without this knowledge, it leads to complete disarray and interpretation to suit political agendas or even emotional actions.

this is unfortunately what is happening now, such as the the so-called 'justification' of killing innocent civilians such as 9/11 and 7/7.

this is why it is important to be careful who you take your deen from.

islam is composed of:

1. iman

aqida according to the imams ashari and maturidi - without taqlid.

2. islam

fiqh - al-ibadat and al-mu'amalat according to one of the 4 sunni maddhabs (not imams - we do not follow one imam in totality, rather we follow the maddhab of a particular imam, and we allow to take opinions from other maddhabs when required under guidance from the scholars)

fard al-ayn and fard al-kifayah - that which is personally obligatory, and that which is a communal obligation - the latter is not necessary to learn individually.

3. ihsan

the path of spiritual purification. ilm al-tasawwuf/sufism/tazkiyya/suluk...

even taking one of the major turuq through a spiritual guide.

godilali

24-09-2005, 08:51 PM

So you learn about Sufism from islamqa. Thats like telling someone to learn about Islam from answeringislam.

Omar HH

24-09-2005, 09:15 PM

Fawqal Manabiri Ya Balabili Gharidi fi Mawlidul Hadi wa Dhikru Mawlidihi
Wa Taral Nabi Baynal Riyadhi bi Ni'matin.

Jazkallahu ta'la Khayrun

LovinMyDeen

25-09-2005, 12:15 AM

laughinglion

25-09-2005, 01:56 AM

Asalamu alaikum bro/sis could you please elaborate what sufi is and what they believe.
Because i have heard and read alot of things and i like to get a second opinion before i make my mind up on sufi's beliefs
salams for now
talk to you soon InshAllah
sister Yasmin

:salam: Sister. May Allah :taala: bless you and give you tawfeeq and establish you in the full glory of Islam. Its very heartening to see you have opted to look in to both positions in this discussion. Since I'm aware that often oppponents to this science (which is one of, if not the, major sciences of the deen) . A lot has been said about this this subject because of the subjects nature (the nafs/ruh) . It would be easy to cut and paste answers to your question but I feel your sincerity demands people should take the time and give their personal understanding (of course with the option of guiding you to Classical references) . Laa ghaalib 'Illa bi-'Llah.

As I have stated tasawwuf/sufism is one of the sciences of the deen. ( I think Sidi Shaykhs-Pir outlined this in one of his previous posts. ) The three principle sciences of the deen are derived from the very famous hadith of Jibra`eel :alayhis: , were Islam, `Eeman and Ihsan are mentioned. Islam relates to the sciences of fiqh. Where-by the rulings of the shari`ah are derived, the halal and haram are made clear, and the physical obligations of the slaves before Allah and between people are clarified. The science of `aqida comes under the heading of `eeman. By this science one is able to ascertain what it is correct to believe in regard to Allah :taala: , His revelations, the Prophets (`alayhimu'salam) and the ghayb (the unseen, eg., angels, heaven, hell, punishment, reward, etc) . Tasawwuf/sufism is the science of ihsan and is described in the hadith as, "To worship Allah as if you see him and if your unable to attain to this then know that truly He sees you". This can also be described as perfecting ones inner and outer states to make one (ones actions) more acceptable to Allah . These three sciences are interdependant.

It is not hidden from anyone that these three sciences under these names did not exist in the time of the Prophet :saw: , for he embodied Allah's revelation completely. In the time of the companions :anhum: some small level of differention occurred (eg., some were better qualified to give fataawa than others, some better at tafsir, etc), but by and large all this knowledege was carried by individuals. It is during the time of the tabi`oon and the tab` tab`ioon that specialisation began to appear in the various fields of, what are today, the Islamic sciences (there are logical socio-historical reasons for this). According to 'ahlu's-sunnah wa'l-jama' all of these sciences and their principles can be traced back to the Prophet of Allah . Thus in Isalm we accept four schools of fiqh (Maliki, Hanafi, Shafi`iy and Hanbali) ; in 'eeman we accept two schools of `aqida (Ash`ariy and Maturidi); and in the science of Ihsan we accept any from a number of recognised schools (Qaadiriy, Shadzdziliy, Naqshabandi, Rifa`i, Chishtiyya, etc) .

The science of tasawwuf's major concern is the cleansing of the heart, because this is the core of the self. - All sicknesses, bad habits, etc., are due to the rusting over of the heart. Some of the major (yet hidden from our own selves) sicknesses of the heart are waswasa (whispering of the whisperer) , envy, jealousy, showing-off, miserliness, egotism, etc. These sickness are a mortal danger to the Muslim, if one reflects on the ayat of Qur'an where Allah says (in translation) , "On that day He will only accept those with sound hearts". And it is because of this that the Proof of Islam, Imam Abu Hamid al-Ghazzali said, "that to practice tasawwuf is fardh on every Muslim". After the struggle (jihad) of cleansing ones heart of the darkness of disease one next has to protect it with the pure armies of light and these include taqwa, trust and reliance, fear and hope in/on Allah, sabr (fortitude/patience) and having watchfulness over ones heart for fear of attack of the diseases of darkness. In summary this science can be summed up by two hadith, "The heavens and the earth can not contain Me (Allah) but the hearts of my believing slaves can" and "Allah will not enter the heart of anyone of you that has any attachment to other than Him". There are far more proofs for the practice of sufism, :insh: they will be forthcoming.

Finally those people who stop at their intellects will never taste the full and expansive blessing of Islam.

And all power and might belong to Allah alone, The High, The Supreme.

With Peace.

PS. Be patient Sister and you'll see the truth of what we're on.
PPS. Sorry, I didn't really address 'sufi beliefs'. In short, we're on what the majority of Muslims for the whole of the history of Islam were on, standard orthodox Sunni Islam.

There is an excellent poem here that contains everthing relevant to this discussion http://guidinghelper.com/pdf/MA_Explanation.pdf

Laa ghaalib 'illa Allah

LovinMyDeen

25-09-2005, 02:40 AM

Asalamu alaikum, and wa alaikum salam brother Jazkallah kayr for ur reply! what i heard about sufis is that when a sheik passes away he is praised like an idol? also that prophet Muhammad (s) is praised meaning asking help from the prophet (s) instead of ALLAH (SWT) and brother for all i know this is commiting shirk, IS THIS TRUE??????

LovinMyDeen

25-09-2005, 02:42 AM

SALAMS BROTHER WHAT DOES THIS MEAN Laa ghaalib 'Illa bi-'Llah?

godilali

25-09-2005, 03:07 AM

As salaamu alaikum

http://www.tasawwuf.org/basics/what_tasawwuf.htm

This should help you, inshallah.

LovinMyDeen

25-09-2005, 03:13 AM

Asalamu alaikum and wa alaikum salam brother
Jazkallah kayr!
i really benefited from that!

laughinglion

25-09-2005, 04:18 AM

SALAMS BROTHER WHAT DOES THIS MEAN Laa ghaalib 'Illa bi-'Llah?

:salam:

Laa Ghaalib `illa bi-Llah = there is no success except with/by Allah :taala:

:insh: I will get to the rest later. Is fajr time now.

With Peace.