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AHK
30-09-2005, 06:15 PM
salam aleykum

Allamah Nu'man Aloosi, son of Mahmood Aloosi Sahib Rooh Al Ma'ani and Mufti of Ahnaaf in Baghdad, said in his book Jala Ul Aynayn in answer to Ibn Hajar Al Haytami about Tawassul and its daleel about the hadeeth of blind man


“I turn ( Atawajahu) to You with Your Prophet Muhammad saw” : But the Tawassul with him, means with his du’a, as said by Umar, “ We used to do tawassul with Your Prophet saw”. The meaning of Tawajuh and Tawassul in both hadith has same meaning.

This is why he said in the end : “ Allah make him an intercessor for me in this” because Shafa’ah is only with Du’a to His Lord with certainty. If it was tawassul with his Dhat saw, this sentence would not have any meaning…

Also the saying of the blind man to the Prophet saw : “ Ask Allah He cures me” and the answer of the Prophet saw was : “ If you want you delay this and this is better, and if you want I do invoke” and the blind man said : “Invoke” is a clear daleel , a Burhan Rajih, that the tawassul of the blind man was with his du’a and not his dhat Mutaharah.

And his words “I turn ( Atawajahu) to You with Your Prophet Muhammad saw” then Teebi said : “ The ba in bika is for Isti’anah, meaning I do Isti’anah (seek help) with your du’a to Allah.

And His saying : “ I turned to ( Tawajahtu)” after his saying : “I turn to You ( atawajahu)”, there is in it the meaning of His Saying Ta’ala : “ Man lazi Yashafa’u ‘indahu ila bi iznihi”,

So it would be a khitab to someone precise in his heart, added to what he turned with him to His Lord from asking of his Prophet saw, and this is exactly Shafa’ah, and this is why he came with past tense after present tense,

And the moofid from all this is that is that this invoker did tawassul with his Shafa’ah of his Prophet saw, as if he put in his mind the time he called him, and this happens a lot in maqamat khitabiyah and Qarain I’tibariyah, as the man praying says : “ As Salam Alayka Ya Ayuha NabiyuWa rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu”

See all of his long answer, that this kind of TAwassul did not come from Salaf, also about asking the Prophet saw in the grave to invoke Allah, then shaykh Aloosi hanafi said that if it was legislated, then Sahabah would have run to that, also Tabii and this matter would become soemthing undeniable.

As prayer, Zakah are denied by Nobody, and Sahabah were people seeking for good, and we do not have one saheeh isnad from them that they asked Prophet saw to make Shaf'ah for them.

How can people from Mutaakhireen claim this practice, and they do not bring any isnad from Sahabah, any text from any Imam enabling this

Kashmiri at least that he did not see muhadithoon permitting istifadah from graves

The student of Allammah Anwar Shah Kashmiri, Ashiq Mirathi wrote in note in Faydul Bari, Kitab Jihad, v 3 p 434 under saying “This matter ( tawassul with names), I do not like to enter it, nor do I claim any prove from Salaf, nor do I make Inkar” :

“ I say : maybe, this is because the shaykh had good opinion of people of Haqaiq, rather he was one of them, and when he was seeing a contradiction between people of Shari’ah and Haqaiq in a matter, he stopped his toungue from any answer, looking at both sides.

Sometimes I saw him leaning to the people of Haqaiq, if it was one of their matter. I asked him once about Istidadah from Ahle Quboor, is this permissible, and he said to me : “ As for Muhadith, I do not see them permitting this, but I do permit this, as it is established for people of Haqaiq, except that it should be for people qualified for that, as for the one who is drown in thulumat, there is no good for him” end of Mirathi’s words

So one can see that Kashmiri has fairness to see that he did not see Muhadith from Salaf and else permitting this kind of Tawassul

He at least has fairness, that this practice is from Sooofiyah, and not Muhadith and people of Sharee'ah

While other people claim actions, and they bring nothing to justify it, except actions of unknown Tabii, with an isnad having someone whose condition is not known, that is ahad.

And they Attack Ahle Sunnah for denying something they cannot prove from Salaf, any Imam.

Allamah Ibn Abdel Hadee blamed Subkee for bringing such fabricated narrations to justify his claims, with even fabricated narrations. What is that ?

May Allah guide us to fairness

AHK
30-09-2005, 06:21 PM
salam aleikum

I request the moderator not to censor words of Hanafi scholars like Aloosi and Kashmiri

So we can see true nature of people claims, and do istifadah from their words

Muawiyah
30-09-2005, 07:16 PM
Allamah Sayyid Nu'man Aaloosi was no Hanafi, in the muqaddimah to his al-Ayat ul Bayyinat Shaykh Nasir Albani mentions his "Mujahidah with the partisans of stagnation and taqleed".

Refer to Taskeen us Sudoor for `Allamah Sayyid Anwar Shah sahib Kashmiri's nuanced and detailed position on Tawassul. As for taking knowledge from dead shuyukh, this is from the khawariq which Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala bestows upon someone. these aren't things related to ability.

Also the name of the compiler of Fayd ul Bari should be written as Ashiq Ilahi Marathi :insh:'

brova
30-09-2005, 10:56 PM
:salam:

I have a question for brother AHK.

Brother why are you using Alusi and Kashmiri - why don't we stick to the true Salafi scholars?

I am not sure if Alusi and Kashmiri follow the salaf on this issue because Alusi is quoted on the internet as saying:

There is no objection in making tawassul to God by means of the dignity (jah) and prime position of the Prophet (s), whether it is in his lifetime or after his death, since dignity here refers to an attribute which is one of the attributes of Almighty Allah (swt) tawassul by means of dignity of a person other than the Prophet (s) is also permissible, provided that the one who is being considered a wasilah has a station and position of dignity in the sight of Allah

(Tafsir Ruh al-Ma'ani, vol. 6, page128)

Then somewhere else it was written from Alusi:


"It is said: In the introductory sentences of this surah, the separation of the souls of pious persons from their bodies at the time of death is described and Allah has sworn by these different states of the souls. These souls have to be wrenched out of the bodies because, on account of their long and deep association with their bodies, they are disinclined to leave them. The reason for this disinclination is that, in order to earn virtues, the body acts as a means of transport, and it is on this count that there is a greater possibility of adding to the score of one’s virtues. Then these souls fly to the world of angels and reach the sanctuary of purity, and on account of their force and nobility, they blend with the elements that help decide the destinies of the creatures, that is, they are included among the angels, or they acquire administrative capability. That is why it is said: ‘when you are invaded by troubles, you should seek help from the residents of the tombs, that is, from the favourites of Allah who are embodiments of virtue and purity, and those who have left us.’ There is no doubt that a person who visits their tombs, receives spiritual help by virtue of their blessings, and on many occasions, the knots of difficulties unwind through the mediation of honour and reverence they enjoy."

Mahmūd Ālūsī, Rūh-ul-ma‘ānī (30:27-8).



"It is also said that in these sentences Allah has sworn by these good-natured people, who step into the field of virtue and sanctity and try to purify both the inner and the outer self through worship, persistent practice and a concerted confrontation with the evil and, as a result, are permeated with immediate divine consciousness. (These sentences may be applied to these holy persons in the sense that) they control their own instinctive cravings and concentrate all their energies on the world where holiness prevails, and finally achieve perfection after passing through the evolutionary phases so that they can guide those who are stuck up in their flawed schedules and invest their lives with a sense of purpose and direction."

Mahmūd Ālūsī, Rūh-ul-ma‘ānī (30:28)


What is all this?


I have not checked these quotes myself but do you agree with all this if you quote from Alusi?



Also brother your quotes had many contradiction like you quoted:

“This matter ( tawassul with names), I do not like to enter it, nor do I claim any prove from Salaf, nor do I make Inkar”

So how can you agree with this?

Then you said:

“ As for Muhadith, I do not see them permitting this, but I do permit this...


So brother what is the point in your post? Nothing is clear - just a mish mash.

I think it is stupid to post from these people because nothing is clear in your post whether it is haram or not haram.

Please don't get confused and stick with what Sheikh al-Albani rahimahullah and other salafi sheikhs said if you believe it because you are making yourself looks stupid.

I hope you don't mind my advice.

:salam: