Hisham Kabbani

[Zaid 'Abdur-Rahman]

:bism:

As-Salaamu 'Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuhu

Allah's Blessings on His Prophets, and May Allah guide us all to the Straight Path.


I was wondering if anyone here had any opinions on Hisham Kabbani. I have heard both negative and positive opinions of him. The people here seem to be rather unbiased; I was hoping I could get some clear information.

While I am not sure of Kabbani himself, I would also like to point out bad experiences I know of regarding some of Kabbani's more prominent followers, who ruthlessly attacked the character of a personal friend. This friend is, mash'Allah, in prison on trumped up charges, but he is an individual of outstanding character and a mujahed, not some extremist nut. So, obviously, my opening opinion of kabbani's group isn't that great.


Wasalaam,
Zaid

[IlyasLahoz]

:bism:
:salam:
inshaAllah akhi don't take this the worng way, but i think this is among those subjects that are best left alone. the most anyone on this board can offer in response to your query is their opinion and/or anecdotal experiences, the value of which is negligible.
if you have some pending business (financial, marriage etc) with someone then it is understandable to inquire about them, other than that we should have a high opinion and leave that which does not concern us as in: http://www.sunnipath.com/Resources/Questions/QA00000050.aspx
inshaAllah you accept this in the spirit it was intended and i ask your forgivness for any transgression i may have committed.
wasalam'alaikum

[Zaid 'Abdur-Rahman]

:bism:

JazakAllah Khair indeed for your reply.

However, I must ask this becuase I do have buisness, related to my currently imprisoned associate.

Bear in mind I am not seeking information to slander or point the finger. I am not looking to start "discussions" with board members regarding the merits of certain individuals. What I am looking for is information and opinions, and I asked here because of all the other places I have visited, the individuals on this board are most sound of mind and character (that I have seen ;) ).

Allah ta'ala protect us all from shaytan and his snares, amin.


Wasalaam,
Zaid

[IlyasLahoz]

:salam:
wa iyyakum akhi. inshaAllah. i pray that all goes well for your friend. amin.
wasalam 'alaikum

[AbuZayd]

I totally disagree with his political stances, nevertheless, this may be applicable:








Wa `alaykum as-Salam wa rahmatullah:

> I have a question regarding the scholars who associate heavily with
> tyrant
> rulers supporting their policies and inadvertantly their brutality
> against
> the Muslim populace.
>
> I noticed on your excellent website you have articles regarding
> government
> scholars and also regarding Shaykh Kabbani.
>
> However, can the following be justified according to the rules of
> Commanding
> the Good and Forbidding the Evil? Or would you suggest it would be
> better
> that the Muslims avoid such scholars who support the tyrant of
Uzbekistan
> and George Bush?
>
> http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/bin/site/wrappers/splash.asp
>
>
http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/bin/site/wrappers/default.asp?pane_2=co
> ntent-uzbekistan
>
>
> Also, could you advise as to whether Shaykh Dr. Ramadan al-Buti can
be
> considered a safe source for knowledge considering his love for the
> tyrant
> Hafez Assad who slaughtered hundreds of innocent Muslims during his
rule?
>
> http://www.bouti.com/bouti_e_lectures1.htm
>
>
> I hope you will please answer this post as I cannot see how the above
can
> be
> justified according to Shariah. Surely it would be better to add in
your
> post about Government scholars to avoid the doubtful shaykhs as the
> scholars
> always quote "this knowledge is Din so be careful as to whom you take
> your
> knowledge from".





By citing the golden rule that "this knowledge is Din so be careful
as to whom you take your knowledge from" the questioner is questioning
the uprightness of the two Shaykhs he named and, consequently, their
learning also. But he must beware that, perhaps, in the sight of Allah,
those he has thus reviled have a higher rank than him; it is enough
that
one has single-handedly put to rest the media cliche that turbaned and
bearded Muslims are terrorists and the other is recognized as one of
the
major Ulema of our time by his peers East and West.

Critics of what they call "government scholars" do have a point in
adducing the hadiths about the best scholar being those the prince
goes to visit but the worst are those who visit the prince i.e.
run after worldly favors and worldly power. But has this questioner
ascertained for a fact that this applies to the ones he cited? On
what evidence? Al-Buti's speech (although the English on that website
is apalling) is all about one sentence: "Make sure, your Excellency,
that your capital is, first, to resort to Allah. Secondly, loving your
people and being faithful to them. Thirdly, having mercy on your
mass[es]."
Has the questioner practiced the hadith Inna al-Din al-Nasiha in any
remotely comparable way lately?

Interaction with the political scene in the modern world is the most
confusing, dangerous activity which is best left alone. It is fraught,
obviously, with people with the wrong intentions running after the
world and its worthless scraps. It is the death of Tasawwuf and the
hardening of hearts, as Imam Ahmad al-Rifa`i said. However, Allah Most
High has also placed whatever means He wishes to contain the wildness
even there, under the domes of libido dominandi. Thus, at the same time
as we run away from the door of princes it is nevertheless the
responsibility
of whoever can, whoever is at the same time mercy-hearted and
steel-hearted,
to advise with sincerity the leaders. If one is in a position to do
that,
he must do it. If you can, step up; if not, shut up.

If you must evaluate, try to evaluate such advisers with the best
opinion
but you might do so often on the basis of insufficient knowledge both
of their actual station and of the adab that applies. In condemning
and reviling in wholesale fashion there are Islamic principles that one
is likely to overlook and then commit grave suspicion while also
involving oneself with what is of no concern to them. But -- as Imam
al-Tahawi said in his `Aqida -- "There is no change away from sin nor
power to remain firm on good except through Allah Most High and
Almighty."

Hajj Gibril

[muslim786]

Assalamulikum WR WB,

A close brother of mine tells me that Hajj Gibril no longer associates with the Haqqanis however I have also heard another brother who knows Hajj Gibril aka Dr GF Haddad to still be with them. If Dr Haddad is linked to the Haqqanis then they cannot be all bad. And as Dr Haddad has not made any sort of indication that he has left the Haqqanis it is highly probable he still regards the highly.
All I can say is apart from his political views Hisham Kabbani and co seem OK, and have written some good articles. I have people saying rumours that the mureeds do sujd to him and the Master Shaykh Adil Nazim but as no one has produced any hard evidence regarding this, we should not believe this. And if this was so I doubt Dr Haddad would ever have anything to do with them.
In any case we should not be troubled by bad mouthing Kabbani it appears he has done a fair bit for the propogation of the deen, although maybe NOT in the best way possible.
The qualms I have about him is his political views and him not insisting his followers follow sunnah etc. (Again this may only be to newbies to help them ease in, and probably is, but one might ask what about segregation?).
From his articles it would seem his aqeedah is inline with ahle sunnah wal jammah.
I think in one article at sunnipath Dr Haddad slightly critised Kabbani Shaab probably due to the reasons I have mentioned HOWEVER he says he is unworthy to speak of Maulana Nazim Shaab and we should take the same stance, he clearly has done a lot for Islam, and we should not let peoples Gheeba make us hate a possible wali Allah, I have on one occasion met Maulana Nazim and have to say he was excellent then.

:salam:

[Garden]

Thanks for the answer muslim786. As you will see, I deleted my question because I did not find Sh. Gibril's name on the ISCA advisory board posted on their website.

Thanks again for the answer though.

[muslim786]

From what I can gather and from all the information I have gained from various people I can come to the following conclusion that Dr Haddad has left the companionship and direct association of Hisham Kabbani BUT still is in contact and allied with Shaykh Nazim, the fact that he is waiting to publish a book called Al-Ziyarat al-Iraqiyya ila al-Hadarat al-Barzakhiyya bil-Imdadat al-Haqqaniyya wal-Suhbat al-Jiliyya ("Haqqani Visitation to the Sanctuaries of Iraq with Shaykh 'Abd al-Qadir al-Jili al-Madani"). Bilingual. would imply that he still has links with the haqqanis and thefefore respect for Maulana Nazim. So the two conclusions that can be drawn is he 1) Has left Kabbani and co which MAY imply at least some dissaproval, and since he has slightly critised Kabaani maybe this is the reason.
2) Still an affilate of the haqqanis or at least a close associate which would imply approval.

[Zaid 'Abdur-Rahman]

:bism:


From what I can gather and from all the information I have gained from various people I can come to the following conclusion that Dr Haddad has left the companionship and direct association of Hisham Kabbani BUT still is in contact and allied with Shaykh Nazim, the fact that he is waiting to publish a book called Al-Ziyarat al-Iraqiyya ila al-Hadarat al-Barzakhiyya bil-Imdadat al-Haqqaniyya wal-Suhbat al-Jiliyya ("Haqqani Visitation to the Sanctuaries of Iraq with Shaykh 'Abd al-Qadir al-Jili al-Madani"). Bilingual. would imply that he still has links with the haqqanis and thefefore respect for Maulana Nazim. So the two conclusions that can be drawn is he 1) Has left Kabbani and co which MAY imply at least some dissaproval, and since he has slightly critised Kabaani maybe this is the reason.
2) Still an affilate of the haqqanis or at least a close associate which would imply approval.


Forgive my ignorance, akhi, but who is Maulana Nazim? Only until recently have I really started to concern myself with the socio political clime in the Ummah in the west, so I am very ignorant regarding several prominent individuals.

[muslim786]

:bism:




Forgive my ignorance, akhi, but who is Maulana Nazim? Only until recently have I really started to concern myself with the socio political clime in the Ummah in the west, so I am very ignorant regarding several prominent individuals.

Allhumdulilah Maulan Nazim Adil Haqqani is a very respected Sheikh i Tariqat, the only people that hate him are the habashis (and their allies) and the wahabi types.

[muslim786]

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Brother was that directed at me? I thought I wrote an unbias piece on the matter. I like and respect Maulana Nazim and Dr GF Haddad I am just wondering too why people dislike Hisham Kabbani Shaab. Maybe you can shed some light on the matter.

[molvibadshah]

A close brother of mine tells me that Hajj Gibril no longer associates with the Haqqanis however I have also heard another brother who knows Hajj Gibril aka Dr GF Haddad to still be with them. If Dr Haddad is linked to the Haqqanis then they cannot be all bad. And as Dr Haddad has not made any sort of indication that he has left the Haqqanis it is highly probable he still regards the highly.
All I can say is apart from his political views Hisham Kabbani and co seem OK, and have written some good articles. I have people saying rumours that the mureeds do sujd to him and the Master Shaykh Adil Nazim but as no one has produced any hard evidence regarding this, we should not believe this. And if this was so I doubt Dr Haddad would ever have anything to do with them.
In any case we should not be troubled by bad mouthing Kabbani it appears he has done a fair bit for the propogation of the deen, although maybe NOT in the best way possible.


THIS IS HOW YOU SAID IT BRO, AND AS FAR AS FORGIVING ETC I AM BUT A MERE MAN IT IS AWLIYA ALLAH THAT PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD HAVE LIFTED THEIR FINGERS UPON AND ALLAH CLEARLY STATES IN QURAN AL HAKIM THAT I DECLARE WAR ON THE ENEMIES OF MY FRIENDS!! BROTHER I AM NOT AGAINST YOU IN ANY WAY!! AND I URGE THAT IN FUTURE PLEASE DO NOT ACCEPT WHAT PEOPLE SAY BECAUSE OF PHOTOS ETC?? ISLAM IS A BEAUTIFUL RELIGION AND THESE FITHNA PEOPLE MAKE IT SEEM NASTY MAY ALLAH KEEP ME AND YOU AWAY FROM SUCH PEOPEL AMEEN

[faqir]

Stop using Capital letters - it is rude.

[molvibadshah]

Hey Bruv I Love You Though You Are My Brother Faqir May Allah Az Zawjal Keep You 4eva Happy Ameen{thats only if you are not the enemy of shykh hisham al kabbani naqshabandi


sheikh syed hisham kabbani ZINDABAD!!

[eat-halal guy]

:salam:

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