science strengthing the eeman.

[fnaeem]

Assalmu Alaikum.

These are just my thoughts, not an iota of them is from scholarly opinion.
May Allah protect me from saying anything wrong.
The following stuff may not be totally appropriate for people under 14-16.
READER BEWARE

I am just making this post so maybe others can expand on it and hopefully strengthen their hearts.

Cloning

In simple terms cloning involves the removal of the nucleus from the female reproductive cell ( egg) and then later fusion of an existing cell from a live organism. This zygote is then implanted in a female organism and carried to term. The difference is that with this fusion the nucleus of the new zygote is exactly identical to the original nucleus of the donor organism.

I have heard (Allahu alam) that there are some Protestant sects that deny the Virginity of Maryam (AS). If man can help create conditions for development of sheep without an obvious paternal figure, Allah surely doesnt need a child to have a father. He says Be and it is. Allah categorically does not need cloning ( or for that matter any other cause and effect relationship, his will is the cause of everything). This scientific technique gives us proof that it is indeed true, that no mortal had touched Maryam (AS) when Isa (AS) was born.

On another note, you can extract the donor nucleus from any cell in the human body, even bones. If you can successfully extract the nucleus from a bone cell and implant it in an egg from which its original nucleus has been removed. You will get a clone of the possesor of the bone. There is no need for this posessor of the bone to be alive at that time of extraction.
Can Allah then not resurrect us and not assemble our fingertips. We should ponder and believe. Supposedly one of the miracles the Dajjal will perform will be the resurrection of the dead parents of a Bedouin.

There are things to note in this though, the clone does not have the memory of the original, so if someone clones a dead relative, the new baby may have the same features etc but its climate will impact it, and it will have no memory of the original donors life. We still need the female reproductive cell from one of the creations of Allah. The creation of life still takes place in the womb, where Allah breathes life into the creatures. There were over 200 eggs used for the production of Dolly the sheep, out of which 30 were successfully fused, 9 caused gestation and only 1 carried to term. It was Allahs will for one sheep to be born due to this process, not 200 not 30 not but 1. There was one rooh for all this. Let us not forget this. It was Allahs will. The scientists were still dependant.

Those who doubt resurrection, it can be shown to them that Allah is surely
all powerful and if humans can create the likeness of a dead person, Allah surely can resurrect the actual dead person with proper memory etc.

<joke>
A scientist said to God, and said we can create and fix everything. We dont need you anymore(Astaghfirullah). Here let me create a human, so he grabbed a handful of dirt. God said, get your own dirt :)
</joke>

Stem Cell Research

Again a great controversy going on about when does life start. If embryonic stem cells should be used or not for research from an islamic point of view, I think ( again these are my thoughts, not scholarly opinion) that it should be okay because life is put in at a time of 120 days after fertilization. So Islam does simply solve for us the conundrum that the right and left are debating whether we are destroying life when doing embryonic stem cell research ( we are not as long as it is before 120 days). Lots of time and money wasted in this debate alone.

Of course I dont think this is something we can support in todays society. Where people donate blood and other body fluids for quick cash, what is to stop women and couples to use this as a method of getting "beer money".

SETI Project

This Search for Extra Terrestial Intelligence project analyzes radio signals from distant stars etc to see if there is any intelligent life out there. If this effort is to find out intelligent life , then good but realistically if this is for finding a life form more intelligent than human beings, then what a waste.
Allah has already declared that Humans are ashraf ul makhluqat ( best of creation) and that he has taught our father Adam (AS) the names of all things so the fear that we will be usurped by an alien life form is a waste of time money and peace of mind.

Modern civilization is like the character in Edgar Allan Poe's Raven that is going mad and keeps hearing this raven tapping on his chamber door and is haunted by the whole thing ( read the poem, its very nice imo). We are going mad by wondering what are we created for, who is out there, are they more intelligent things out there, what happens to us after death. Is this it.
All these things collectively are nothing but a Raven gently rapping, tapping, tapping on our chamber door and nothing more.



Presently my soul grew stronger: hesitating then no longer,
"Sir, " said I, "or Madam, truly your forgiveness I implore:
But the fact is I was napping, and so gently you came rapping,
And so faintly you came tapping, tapping at my chamber door,
That I scarce was sure I heard you"-- here I opened wide the door--
Darkness there and nothing more.

Back into the chamber turning, all my soul within me burning,
Soon again I heard a tapping somewhat louder than before.
"Surely," said I, "surely that is something at my window lattice;
Let me see, then, what thereat is, and this mystery explore--
Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore--
'T is the wind an nothing more!"



If you get any benefit from this post it is from Allah and make dua for me.
If there is anything that offends you, it is from me and I apologize to you and seek forgiveness from Allah.

:jazak:

Faisal

[GenN]

Assalmu alykum,

intereseting, but you need to be biologically minded (which i am not, althou i am quite into physics) to understadn it poperly.

Now about that getting a cell and getting it fused with something else and then sticking the zygote back into women waiting for the birth.... can you get the egg from a woman, fuse it with a male sheeps sperm (or somet likie that, don't look at me i'm not a biologist) and stick it back into the woman waiting for the birth?

Well, what is gonna be born, half sheep half human?

and what about this in light of the ahadith that talk about communirites or peoples being transformed into animals?

perhaps somet for you to look into fnaeem? As for me i can never get myhead around biolgy.

was salaam.

[fnaeem]

Assalmu Alaikum,

First of all I am not a doctor, nor a biologist. I just like science in general.

<tongue in cheek>
I think next time I go to my doctor, I will ask him for authentic proofs of
his diagnosis.
</tone in cheek>

What you are suggesting will not work, in my opinion. The zygote still has to take hold in the uterus, that is where the rejection will occur. It doesnt take hold, nothing happens. Normally the genus has to be closely matched for this to work. I think that is how mules are possible. Something right out of the movies will be if they can resurrect the wooly mammoth via a female elephant.
They found a well preserved wooly mammoth in Siberia, and I believe the species of the wooly mammoth and the modern day elephant are very close.

Batman, however still is a pipe dream :)

:jazak:
Faisal

[Saleel]

:salam:

Interesting topic, :mash:.

Firstly:


<tongue in cheek>
I think next time I go to my doctor, I will ask him for authentic proofs of
his diagnosis.
</tone in cheek>
Salafi? :|

Okay, so now that that's out the way, I must begin by saying I am not a biologist or a doctor or a scholar; the below is just my opinion. With regards to a man-sheep being created, this would not be possible, Allahu Alam. The strict definition of the term "species" includes the concept that members of the species must be able to produce fertile offspring. When gametes of two different species fuse (and I am not going to mention how that would happen, ugh), viable offspring are not produced, hence the impossibility of creating a new inter-species. Wallahu Alam.

I do not agree with the wisdom behind your claim of the permissibility of stem-cell research brother fnaeem. In an authentic hadith, RasulAllah saw said that in the first 40 days the foetus is considered a seed, in the next 40 days a blood-clot, and on the 120th day an angel descends and breathes life in to the foetus.

The scholarly opinion is that after 120 days of gestation, abortion is not allowed as you are tampering with the ruh of the foetus. However, prior to 120 days, abortion is still not permissible, unless there is a serious reason, such as congenital defect or the foetus being the result of rape. Thus, Islamically, the seed/blood-clot is still given a high rank, one which we are not normally allowed to tamper with.

With respects to cloning - yes, of course the memory of one deceased individual will not carry into the memory of his or her newborn clone. Memory is stored by complex neuroconnections and synapses within the hippocampus, cerebellum and other regions of the brain. Stem cells are predecesor cells, so-to-speak, with information to code the brain, but not information stored in the brain itself. This would defy logic. Wallahu Alam.

It is important to remember that everything is possible only through the qudrat of Allah swt, and the more insaan begins to liken him or herself to God, the more possibilites seem to exist. For Allah swt has given us the ability to think and to do (to a limited amount albeit). There is a claim that Maryam (as) became pregnant because she had a tumour in her body which was secreting sperm (i.e. the male gamete) and this caused self-fertilisation. :astagh:. Allah swt does and only He has knowledge of how things happen.

It's dangerous I believe to try to form explanations of anything since what our minds are able to contemplate is distinctly based upon creation, whereas Allah swt is far from creation. To the human logical mind, creating humans from mud is inconceivable - why do we not melt when we take a bath? But this hesitation stems from the lack of insight Allah swt has given insaan. Can we truely believe our minds our capable of understanding that which is beyond physical perception and thought?

Khair, I ramble.

Allah swt knows best.

:salam: