Islam in Bangladesh

[sudoku]

Islam in Bangladesh

taken from Inkofscholars.com

Introduction:

Islam arrived in this land in the same process as the land itself has been formed - in a conituous process of accumulation of silts. Islam was preached by generation after generation before the establishement of Muslim rule through a period of six centuries. As a result, a favoiurable place for Islam along with basic knowlegde about it was created in the hearts of the people. If formed an excellent psychological base that kept the inhabitants of this area firm upon Islam neglecting all sorts of obstacles, attacks and conspiracies.

Islam entered Bangladesh through the following three ways:

1. The Chittagong port was one of the major ports for entering the eastern region including China, Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. Many merchants used to anchor at the Chittagong port and go to China using land roads. The Arab merchants had been using this port since pre-Islamic period and continued to do so after they embraced Islam. They used to preach Islam along with their business activities. Islam began to spread from that time.

2. King Cherumol Perumol of Tamilnadu coastal kingdom Malabar embraced Islam during the lifetime of the Prophet Mohammad (PUH). As a result that area turned into a centre for preaching Islam. Preachers used to come to Bangladesh from that region.

3. After the conquest of Sindh by Muhammad Bin Kashem, many preachers used to come from the Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Turkey on their feet to preach Islam here.

The silent preaching of Islam that went for more than six centuries remained hidden due to lack of historical evidences. Modern researcher are finding evidences are being found from the books written by Arab Muslim historians, geographers and Muhaddises. For example, it is proven from the narratives of Muhaddis Imam Abadna Marwazi that a group of Sahabis including Abu Oakkas Ibn Ohaib came to Chittagong in the year 618. The narratives of many Arab geograpics of eleventh century including Abul Kasem Obaidullah Ibd Khurdadbih, Al Idrisi, Al Masudi, Yaqub Ibn Abdullah mention the business relations and settlement of Arab merchants in Chittagong seaport, Chandpur river port, Ramu, Coxesbazar etc. These are verified by recently discovered archaeological evidences. A gold coin of the period of Harun-ur-Rashid (788) was found in Paharpur, Rajshahi another set of coins of Abbasia period were found in Moinamoti, Comilla. An ancient Masjid that was built in the seventh century (689 BC, 69 Hizri) has been discovered recently in Lalmonirhat district.

The folk stories and songs provide substantial hints about many Islam preachers and saints. There are signs of their tombs and Dargahs. We find many mosques built by them. These indicate that Islam had been spreading in Bangladesh for six centuries before the Muslims conquered Bengal. The repressed anti-Aryan people of Bengal began to adore Islam from that time.

The conquest of Bengal started in 1204. Islam began to receive patronisation from the rulers. The barriers for the people of this region for embracing Islam was removed. As a result they began to enter into Islam in large numbers. Islam did not come here with the help of swords, rather the people of Bangladesh embraced it through love and profound understanding.
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Before Conquest of Bengal:

People of this land were familiar with Islam before the conquest of Bengal. Arab merchants had links with Chittagong port since pre-Islamic period. It has been proven in recent studies that a group of Sahabis including Abu Oakkas Malik, Quyes Ibn Sairadi, Tameem Ansary, Urrah Ibn Assasa, Abu Quyes Ibn Harisa came to Chittagong in 618 during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad (PUB). They preached Islam there for few years and then went to China.

The following Sahabis came to Bangladesh through Chittagong seaport after the death of the Prophet Muhammad (PUB):
- Abdullah Ibn Utban
- Assem Ibn Amr Tameemi
- Sahel Ibn Abdi
- Suhael Ibn Adi
- Hakim Ibn Abeel Assaqafi

Later five delegations of the Tabeyees including a group of Muhammad Mamun and Muhammad Mohaimen came here to preach Islam.

In 712 Muhammad Bin Kasem conquered Sindh. It paved the way for Muslims to come to Bengal.

In 778 a group of Muslims fell into a storm in the Bay of Bengal. They were taken to the King of Arakan Ma-ba-toing. The king became very pleased with them due to their behaviour and intellects. He gave them several villages to settle. As a result, an Islamic society was developed in the course of time.

During 866 to 874, the famous saint of Iran Baezid Bostami preached Islam in Chittagong. Although most of the historians say that he returned to his homeland, many people believe that he died and was buried in Chittagong. His shrine is still in Chittagong.

In 954, the Muslims of Arakan became so powerful that they established Muslim rule in a part of Chittagong. King San-da-ya could not tolerate the Muslim rule and defeated them.

In 1053, Shah Muhammad Sultan Balkhi reached Harirumpur of Manikgonj through river way. He later established an Islam preaching centre around Mohastangar of Bogra. He established mosques and Islamic schools. During this time, he had to fight with King Parshuram of Mohastangar. The king was killed in the battle. Later the Army Chief Surkhab and captive princes Ratna Moni embraced Islam. Shah Muhammad Sultan Balkhi arranged their marriage and nominated Surkhab as the new king.

In 1053, Shah Muhammad Sultan Rumi came to Netrokona with a group of preachers. He invited the king of Madanpur for embracing Islam. The king refused first but accepted the invitation later and entered into Islam.

In 1179, Baba Shah Adam came to Bikrampur with a group of preacher to preach Islam there. Later he was martyred in a battle with king Ballal Sen.

In 1184, Shah Makhdum Ruposh came to Rajshahi as the first Islam preacher there. He was one of the preachers who built the base of Islam in Bangladesh in a completely hostile environment. He turned Rajshahi into an Islamic locality. His activities were centred around Rampur and Boalia.
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Islam as Victor in Various Places:

It took two centuries to establish complete Muslim rule in Bengal. Muslim rule started from Rajshahi and completed in Khulna by Khan Jahan Ali.

1. North Bengal (Nadia, Gaur, Rangpur, Dinajpur: 1204)

After Delhi and Bihar was conquered by Muslims, King Lakxan Sen of Bengal anticipated Muslim attacks there. He was afraid that a Muslim battalion would suddenly attack him to free the people of this region from his oppression. Moreover, the astrologists told him that he would be defeated by the victor of Bihar, Bakhtier Khilji. As a result he employed strong guard in all conventional entrances of his temporary capital Nadia. However, in 1204, Bakhtier Khilji entered Nadia in a completely unconventional and difficult way and attacked the palace with a battalion of only 18 advanced soldiers. Lakxan Sen thought that the capital had fallen and escaped through the backdoor. It was the starting of Muslim rule in Bengal. Bakhtier Khalji conquered the whole North Bengal including Gaur, Bogra, Rangpur and Dinajpur.

2. Eastern-Southern Area (Sonargaon, Dhaka, Faridpur, Mymensingh, Barishal: 1274-1290):

Sultan Mugisuddin Tugril of Lakhnauti became active to establish Muslim rule in entire Bengal. He defeated the last Sen king Madhu Sen and brought Eastern Bengal under Muslim rule. As a result Sonargaon, Dhaka and Faridpur came under Islam. He build a fort at a place called Larikal 25 miles south to Dhaka and named it 'Killa-e-Turgil'. Bughra Khan was appointed ruler of Bengal in 1281. He ruled Bengal until 1290. Meanwhile, he brought Mymensingh and Barishal under Muslim Rule.

3. Sylhet (1303):

Sylhet was being ruled by a tyrant king named Gaur Gavinda. In 1301, Sultan Shamsuddin Feroz Shah sent forces against him twice in the commands of his Army Chief Sekander Gazi. It failed. He sent a group of soldiers again in 1303 in the leadership of Sayed Nasiruddin. Sekander Gazi too fought against Gaur Gavinda in this battle. Famous saint Shah Jalal assisted the force with his 313 companions. Gaur Gavinda escaped after being defeated. Shah Jalal stayed in Sylhet till his death in 1446 and preached and established Islam there.

4. Chittagong (1340):

Although Islam reached Chittagong much earlier, it took time to establish Muslim rule there. Sultan Fakhruddin Mubarak Shah was thorn in Soanargaon in 1338 and extended the area of his rule to southeast. During that period Ali Qadar Khan, Ali Mubarak Khan and Shamsuddin Mubarak Shah were in power in North Bengal. Fahkruddin Mubarak Shah brought Chittgaong under Muslim rule for the first time in 1340 and built a road from Chandpur to Chittagong.

5. Khulna Division (1418-1449):

Khan Jahan Ali played a remarkable role in preaching and establishing Islam throughout Khulna Division. Few Hindu Zaminders were ruling a small portion of the area and the remaining vast land was occupied by jungle. Khan Jahan Ali was engaged in building habitants, preaching Islam among non-Muslims and carrying out humanitarian activities. He built 360 mosques, dug 360 ponds for drinking water and constructed numerous pukka roads. He started building mosques, digging ponds and constructing roads from Barabazar of Jhenidah and reached Bagerhat. There he settled and build famous Shat Gambuj (Sixty Domes) Mosque. He established Quranic rule there in the name 'Khalifatabad' meaning the place of God's representatives.

[Created2worshipAllah]

Assalamualaykum wrwb

Jazaak Allah khair for all your info!

Alhamdulillah i have gained a lot from it :)

Insha'allah

Your Little Sister in Islam

Wa'salaam

[KEUNIT]

Asalamualaikum WaRahmatulahi WaBarakatuhu

Honestly, I'm really pleased by this article because I'm from Bangladesh and so is my whole family. By reading this, makes me real happy because I never knew the Sahabis entered Bangladesh by starting in Chittagong. Amazing really, truely amazing.

JazakAllahu Khair

[ahmedwael]

i thank you very much for this trememndous piece of information that i enjoyed reading alot

thank you

[Al-Khattab]

mashallah

[mmc]

jazakallah hu khairan for this enlightening information. it has changed my whole perspective on this region.
I thought one of the reasons for the easy transition of islam to this area was because majoroty of the population were buddhists.

[poga]

jazakallah hu khairan for this enlightening information. it has changed my whole perspective on this region.
I thought one of the reasons for the easy transition of islam to this area was because majoroty of the population were buddhists.


salaam your are right and many recent archaeological find confirms your are right before Islam there where seems decline in vedic religion and growth in Buddhism

[siislam]

This is a really interesting article, I will try to do some research on the sahabas mentioned, Thankyou for the Post

[Mansy]

Islam in Bangladesh

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3. Sylhet (1303):

Sylhet was being ruled by a tyrant king named Gaur Gavinda. In 1301, Sultan Shamsuddin Feroz Shah sent forces against him twice in the commands of his Army Chief Sekander Gazi. It failed. He sent a group of soldiers again in 1303 in the leadership of Sayed Nasiruddin. Sekander Gazi too fought against Gaur Gavinda in this battle. Famous saint Shah Jalal assisted the force with his 313 companions. Gaur Gavinda escaped after being defeated. Shah Jalal stayed in Sylhet till his death in 1446 and preached and established Islam there.

Assalamualaikum
Jazakillah sister for the wonderful article, I have started doing some intense research on Shah Jalal the saint of Sylhet, I have dug some really interesting stuff up from authentic 16th century sources, however due to other comitments the research is temporary stopped, inshallh very soon i well get back to it. Again very nice article:D
wassalam
Mansur

[MADINA_MADINA]

Jazakillha

[Abdulaziz14]

Jazakallah Khayr ya ukhtee, very beneficial information.

I know very good Muslims from B'Desh who are really strong in their Aqeedah and Imaan- there seem to be also a fair ammount of Bengali "Muslims" who follow some Hindu Mushrik traditions as well. Oh well, there are always both good and bad Muslims in every country.

Wasalaam.

[ruhul]

intersting

[The Revivalist]

Great article indeed. I'm from Bangladesh, and before reading this article I've never heard from anyone for certain that the Sahabis(R) came to our land. What a delightful information. Jazakallah.

[kr_islam]

Thank u sister for this wonderful article....found it very interesting:D

[snowflakes]

salams
thanx

[Indian_Muslim]

Assalaamu Alaikum,

I was a Bengali Hindu originally , now I have accepted Islam Alhamdulillah...I come from Calcutta , so I understand the culture of Bengali Muslims very well.

[bugmenot]

:ws: Indian muslim bhai welcome in this beautiful religion who'll be your pearl in this world and in the hereafter.

[Indian_Muslim]

^

Can you speak Bengali ??

[kalamiah]

Assalamu Alaikum

The Sylhet region is blessed with many saints who came with Hazrat Shah Jalal. There are shrines all over Sylhet region. One other famous saint is Hazrat Shah Paran whose shrine is at Khadim Nagar. He is the nephew of Hazrat Shah Jalal.

Some historians believe that Shah Jalal was the Khalifa of Sheikh Ahmed Yesevi.

[bugmenot]

I don't speak Bengali.

[Saad]

Assalamu Alaikum


Some historians believe that Shah Jalal was the Khalifa of Sheikh Ahmed Yesevi.

:salam:

Is this the same Shah Jalal [r.h] who repented at the hands of Mawlana Shah Ismail shaheed [r.h].

[kalamiah]

Assalamu Alaikum

No, this is Hazrat Shah Jalal a Sufi Saint of the 14th Century.

(full name Shaikh Makhdum Jalaluddin bin Muhammad also known as Hazrat Shah Jalal Mujarrad) Mujarrad means bachelor as he did not marry.

After conquering Sylhet and defeating Gaur Govinda (as mentioned by sister Sudoku player in previous post), he settled in Sylhet (Bangladesh) and propagated Islam.

I am curious to know the Shah Jalal you mentioned who repented at the hands of Shaikh Ismail Shaheed(RA). could you tell me a little about this incident.

[Saad]

Assalamu Alaikum

No, this is Hazrat Shah Jalal a Sufi Saint of the 14th Century.

(full name Shaikh Makhdum Jalaluddin bin Muhammad also known as Hazrat Shah Jalal Mujarrad) Mujarrad means bachelor as he did not marry.

After conquering Sylhet and defeating Gaur Govinda (as mentioned by sister Sudoku player in previous post), he settled in Sylhet (Bangladesh) and propagated Islam.

I am curious to know the Shah Jalal you mentioned who repented at the hands of Shaikh Ismail Shaheed(RA). could you tell me a little about this incident.

:salam: and jazakAllah.

It is written in Tazkara Mushaheer-e-Dehli and Tawareekh Ulama-e-Dehli and others that every year on the 11th and 12th of Rabi al-Awwal a large urs was held in Qadam Shareef in Dehli. Sufis from nearby areas would attend with their mureeds and many majalis were held. The most famous sufi among them was Shah Jalal [r.h]; when he would enter Dehli, princes and other high officals of the government would go to greet him. He lived a very luxurious life and when he would be with the rich, he would mingle with them like he is one of them. When Mawlana Shah Ismail shaheed [r.h] came to know of this, he decied to go to him. Since Mawlana shaheed was well known, he decided to go in the costume of a soldier. Somehow Shah Jalal came to know that Mawlana shaheed is here so he called him inside his tent. After the formal introduction Mawlana shaheed started to give a lecuture. Shah Jalal so much loved the style of Mawlana shaheed that he ordered everyone else to leave and had a converstaion with Mawlana shaheed in private. Shah Jalal mentioned that he posseses a certain ilm through which he has produced so much power in his eyes that he can get control of people with weak hearts. But I have never used this on anyone beside my nephew as I don't wish to harm any human and fear the punishment of Allah. On hearing this tears fell from the eyes of Mawlana shaheed and he said, "Alas, such a God fearing person, so cautious about giving any harm to the humans but he is not worried about the haram caused to his own nafs." Then Mawlana presented to him the real teching of Islam in the light of Quran and Sunnah. Shah Jalal started to cry and repented from the harams he was indulged in. Next morning Shah Jalal instructed his mureeds and they also repented.

[Hayat Ismail shaheed, p 74-75]

[kalamiah]

Assalamu Alaikum

Barakallahu Feek for that beautiful story.

Jazakallah Khair.

[Indian_Muslim]

Praying in a Mosque which has a grave , or which is even near a grave , is completely HARAAM , and one who venerates a Tomb of a Saint , no matter how Mutaqqi that Saint might have been , is still committing SHIRK....any Prayers said near a grave does not count.....there is a Hadees of Rasool Paak(saw) saying that Namaaz should not be offered in two places - the graveyard and the toilet......there is also another Hadees which says that graves should not be made higher than the ground level , and certainly no structure constructed over it.

Think about it.

[abulayl]

Praying in a Mosque which has a grave , or which is even near a grave , is completely HARAAM ,

daleel please.

[abulayl]

:salam: and jazakAllah.

It is written in Tazkara Mushaheer-e-Dehli and Tawareekh Ulama-e-Dehli and others that every year on the 11th and 12th of Rabi al-Awwal a large urs was held in Qadam Shareef in Dehli. Sufis from nearby areas would attend with their mureeds and many majalis were held. The most famous sufi among them was Shah Jalal [r.h]; when he would enter Dehli, princes and other high officals of the government would go to greet him. He lived a very luxurious life and when he would be with the rich, he would mingle with them like he is one of them. When Mawlana Shah Ismail shaheed [r.h] came to know of this, he decied to go to him. Since Mawlana shaheed was well known, he decided to go in the costume of a soldier. Somehow Shah Jalal came to know that Mawlana shaheed is here so he called him inside his tent. After the formal introduction Mawlana shaheed started to give a lecuture. Shah Jalal so much loved the style of Mawlana shaheed that he ordered everyone else to leave and had a converstaion with Mawlana shaheed in private.


Was sh. shah jalal(rd) present at the time of shah ismaei shaheed(rh)???

i doubt that.

[kalamiah]

Assalamu alaikum

I think(I may be wrong) brother Khanbaba was referring to a different Shaykh Shah Jalal who was around at the time of Shah Ismail Shaheed, during the 18th/19th Century.

The other Hazrat Shah Jalal was a saint of the 14th Century, in Sylhet Bangladesh.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Wassalam

[Saad]

:salam:

Obviously it is different Shah Jalal [r.h] from Dehli, who lived during the time of Shah Ismail shaheed [r.h], and not from Bangladesh.

[belal1]

daleel please.

Sahih Bukhari:


Volume 1, Book 8, Number 419:

Narrated 'Aisha:

Um Habiba and Um Salama mentioned about a church they had seen in Ethiopia in which there were pictures. They told the Prophet about it, on which he said, "If any religious man dies amongst those people they would build a place of worship at his grave and make these pictures in it. They will be the worst creature in the sight of Allah on the Day of Resurrection."



Volume 5, Book 59, Number 725:

Narrated Urwa bin Az-Zubair:

'Aisha said, "The Prophet said during his fatal illness, "Allah cursed the Jews for they took the graves of their prophets as places for worship." 'Aisha added, "Had it not been for that (statement of the Prophet ) his grave would have been made conspicuous. But he was afraid that it might be taken as a place for worship."

[mosa707]

:salam:

brother belal1, he was asking about prayer near a grave and not at the grave itself and certainly not to the grave.

[saimakhan]

Assalamualaykum wrwb

Jazaak Allah khair for all your info!

Alhamdulillah i have gained a lot from it :)

Insha'allah

Your Little Sister in Islam

Wa'salaam

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[Elias Saif]

:salam: I am from Bangladesh & have personally visited the grave of Hazrat Shah Jalal (R.A). Thank you brother for nice article.

[Ibn Al-Majnoon]

Asalaamu Alaikum, I was speaking to my mum today about this. I'll definitely have to show her this article. JazakAllah Khair for sharing it with us : )

Ma3aSalaam

[Ibraheem]

''People of this land were familiar with Islam before the conquest of Bengal. Arab merchants had links with Chittagong port since pre-Islamic period. It has been proven in recent studies that a group of Sahabis including Abu Oakkas Malik, Quyes Ibn Sairadi, Tameem Ansary, Urrah Ibn Assasa, Abu Quyes Ibn Harisa came to Chittagong in 618 during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad (PUB). They preached Islam there for few years and then went to China.

The following Sahabis came to Bangladesh through Chittagong seaport after the death of the Prophet Muhammad (PUB):
- Abdullah Ibn Utban
- Assem Ibn Amr Tameemi
- Sahel Ibn Abdi
- Suhael Ibn Adi
- Hakim Ibn Abeel Assaqafi

Later five delegations of the Tabeyees including a group of Muhammad Mamun and Muhammad Mohaimen came here to preach Islam.''

_______________________________________________

Can you tell us where did you get this information from? I thought there was NO Sahaba, nor any Tabyin who visited India.

Do you have any historical evidence to back up this claim?

[masuda]

jazakallah sister for the marvelous information. very informative.

[pluto]

shows the effectiveness and greatness of the work of Daawah. Alhamdulillah, MashaAllah.

[Nasr]

The videos is working a bit inconsistently, but this lecture by Shiekh Habib Ali Jifri is an eye opening listen:

http://www.radicalmiddleway.co.uk/events/scholar-tour/hadhramaut-to-sylhet-to-whitechapel

[yousufs]

:jazak: for the article. One can read "History of Hadith in Bangladesh", a bengali book for more detailed information. 'Usool of studying hadith' (হাদীস অধ্যয়নের মূলনীতি) is also worth reading.

[palpasacafe]

How to pray near to grave? Is it possible, how they will pray?

[NGE]

That's very interesting. I didn't know that members of the Sahaba (ra) came to Bangladesh to spread Islam.

[armanfaruqui]

برادران و خواہران! السلام علیکم ا رحمتہ الللہ و برکاتہ۔

مجھے اسپین میں مسلم حکومت کے ساتھ ساتھ بغداد میں مسلم حکومت سے متعلق مواد درکار ہے۔ ایس پی اسکاٹ کی تاریخ اسپیں کی حد تک بہت بہترین ہے لیکن بغداد میں مسلم حکومت سے متعلق انگلش میں اسکاٹ جیسی تاریخ اب تک نظر سے نہیں گزری۔
کسی بھای یا بہن کی نظر سے گزری ہو براہ کرم اطلاع دیں۔
شکریہ۔

[sherazi]

جزاک اللہ خیرا

[Maripat]

برادران و خواہران! السلام علیکم ا رحمتہ الللہ و برکاتہ۔

مجھے اسپین میں مسلم حکومت کے ساتھ ساتھ بغداد میں مسلم حکومت سے متعلق مواد درکار ہے۔ ایس پی اسکاٹ کی تاریخ اسپیں کی حد تک بہت بہترین ہے لیکن بغداد میں مسلم حکومت سے متعلق انگلش میں اسکاٹ جیسی تاریخ اب تک نظر سے نہیں گزری۔
کسی بھای یا بہن کی نظر سے گزری ہو براہ کرم اطلاع دیں۔
شکریہ۔

Translation : I need material on Muslim Rule in Spain as well as Muslim Rule in Baghdad. S.P.Scott is great as far as history of Spain is concerned but regarding Muslim Rule in Baghdad book like Scott's has not come to my notice. If any brother or sister has seen then kindly inform. Thanks.

Arman Bhai,
:salam:
Is it Hyderabad Deccan?

[ahamed_sharif]

Assalamu alaykum

Br Maripat

Jazakallahu khair for that great help of translating.

[shazuli]

That's very interesting. I didn't know that members of the Sahaba (ra) came to Bangladesh to spread Islam.
SubhanaAllah

[niazali]

i am pleased to read the article just because i didn't know the information about bangladesh before...
jazakallah

[Maddy1]

Masha ALLAH its great to hear about this !

[furqan qadri]

Masha ALLAH its great to hear about this !

mjhay Al Furqan lakhnaow india k shumaray chahya puranay , any body help me
y wo resala h jis ko hazrat nomani r.ta nikala krtay thay

[Maripat]

mjhay Al Furqan lakhnaow india k shumaray chahya puranay , any body help me
y wo resala h jis ko hazrat nomani r.ta nikala krtay thay

Mr Qadri kindly restrict to English.

This brother wants old issues of the monthly Al-Furqan published from Lucknow, India - the magazine started by Hazrat Maulana Muhammed Manzoor Nomani Sahab (RA).

[zahed73]

Great Article ... A very good source for History of Bengal Muslims is the following.

Tarikh al-Muslimin fi al-Banghal
HISTORY OF THE MUSLIMS OF BENGAL, Vol. 1A-1B ( 1985)
Professor Muhammed Mohar Ali
Islamic University of Madinah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Mohar_Ali

[nipusalma]

Islam in Bangladesh.Peace in Bangladesh.But
where?If you are out of your door there is no
one your wellwisher to you in the whole
Bangladesh.Islam means peace.Where there
is no peace it can't be Islam.There is something
wrong in this islam.WE have to read Al Qur'an
to know about the real islam.

[zahed73]

Islam in Bangladesh.Peace in Bangladesh.But
where?If you are out of your door there is no
one your wellwisher to you in the whole
Bangladesh.Islam means peace.Where there
is no peace it can't be Islam.There is something
wrong in this islam.WE have to read Al Qur'an
to know about the real islam.

You just described the entire world and the entire Islamic world not just Bangladesh .

[Zahed]

You just described the entire world and the entire Islamic world not just Bangladesh .

True. She wouldn't comment like this if she would meet some people like whom I've met.

[Maripat]

More probably a young girl who is just learning to express herself.
I suppose it would be of benefit to be kind to her.

[zahed73]

More probably a young girl who is just learning to express herself.
I suppose it would be of benefit to be kind to her.

I doubt that . should visit the link at her signature on this thread and the others.
I think this is a group impersonating as the user .

[Maripat]

I doubt that . should visit the link at her signature on this thread and the others.
I think this is a group impersonating as the user .
Astaghfirullah.
There is an FB page.
Some videos.
Apparently they know more about Dajjal.
They also have a Imma-uz-Zaman.
...
Allah is the helper.

[nipusalma]

Great Article ... A very good source for History of Bengal Muslims is the following.

Tarikh al-Muslimin fi al-Banghal
HISTORY OF THE MUSLIMS OF BENGAL, Vol. 1A-1B ( 1985)
Professor Muhammed Mohar Ali
Islamic University of Madinah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Mohar_Ali
thanks for the link you given.

[Ibn Abdallah]

Alhamdulillah. Proud to be Bengali :D

[ILM_Sika]

Alhamdulillah. Proud to be Bengali :D

What's the latest in Bangladesh?

Last I heard the prime minister is hating on Pakistan for the war and keeps bringing it up ¬_¬

I helped a couple of Bengali old mothers with their heavy bags near the masjid, because I went to pick my kid up.

They were glad for the help, but I had a peculiar conversation with them. They first chatted among themselves, and then said " Pakistan independence day soon" I replied "well yh mujar hum nehe celebrate karthe". They looked at each other and were like " oh confused Paki" lol I'm joking. Nevertheless, I walked with them till they reached the door and left the bags there.

It was the right thing to do, I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat :D

[Maripat]

Alhamdulillah. Proud to be Bengali :D
Young Yunus had replaced Bangladesh by India.
I mean he said similar thing about India in a post here at SF.
Suppose you were Indian.
Then you would say that you are proud to be an Indian.

Good.

Now listen to -clip-.

Still high on intoxication?

PS: I had posted a link to a video, clipped by moderators, in which lots of venom was spewed against Islam and Muslims. Point is that if your countryman have so much hatred for you will you still be singing paeans of that country?

[Maripat]

Young Yunus had replaced Bangladesh by India.
Suppose you were Indian.
Then you would say that you are proud to be an Indian.

Good.

Now listen to -clip-.

Still high on intoxication?
Brother Rahmaniya you have given me an infraction for posting a link to a video in which putrid venom was being spewed against Islam and Muslims. Reason for infraction was for posting a video with non-mahram.
I take moderator decisions as decisions of the caliphs of Allah (SWT). Even without moderator supervision I try to keep myself bound by Islam as far as possible and practicable.
I had listened to that video more than an year ago.
So if I linked to it then it was premeditated linking.
I thought that this is a piece of reality that we should know about because it has the potential of hitting a part of Ummah, the Indian Muslims, in a nasty manner.
I would not know of any other way to alert my brothers and sister about it - apart from posting it.
To keep an eye on the activities of those who are ill-disposed towards Islam and Muslims is a Sunnah.
And it has nothing to do with the topic that is banned at SF.
I do take due care to not introduce that topic into the discourse here.
But I do try to push the things to reach a boundary with that topic - I delicate balancing act.
But I do that with as much care as I am capable of.

In summary this infraction is unpleasant for me but I fully trust your judgement and I am not opening the issue for public debate.

***
My earlier infraction was for using the word c-r-a-p.
I used that in the sense of rubbish.
Even that infraction was surprising.
I have seen people using many words here at SF that I shall not use at all in my family - I do not use them. Some how we can see very long and elaborate discussions on topics that need a face palm for me.
My attitude towards such topics is of stringency. In your face modernity is despicable for me. And that is how I intend to keep it - in my sphere of action.
***
Mods are doing a difficult job and they have my respect - all the respect that is due to them. I intend to keep their word higher than mine even when I am completely convinced of the veracity of my stand. Please keep up the good work.

[zahed73]

What's the latest in Bangladesh?

Last I heard the prime minister is hating on Pakistan for the war and keeps bringing it up ¬_¬

I helped a couple of Bengali old mothers with their heavy bags near the masjid, because I went to pick my kid up.

They were glad for the help, but I had a peculiar conversation with them. They first chatted among themselves, and then said " Pakistan independence day soon" I replied "well yh mujar hum nehe celebrate karthe". They looked at each other and were like " oh confused Paki" lol I'm joking. Nevertheless, I walked with them till they reached the door and left the bags there.

It was the right thing to do, I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat :D

I am assuming those elderly woman lived through the 1971 war . Google search ' 1971 Genocide '.

The Inside joke was they were saying this youth from Pakistan do not know what happened and might
be very unaware about their own recent past history.

Which is true , from my own experience with Pakistani friends .
Young people are fed completely different history lessons from what the rest of the world knows.

[ILM_Sika]

I am assuming those elderly woman lived through the 1971 war . Google search ' 1971 Genocide '.

The Inside joke was they were saying this youth from Pakistan do not know what happened and might
be very unaware about their own recent past history.

Which is true , from my own experience with Pakistani friends .
Young people are fed completely different history lessons from what the rest of the world knows.

Barak'Allah fee Brother,

I am well aware of what took place back in '1971'. Sad times, it shouldn't have happened. But like I've said countless times before, it's not how the Ummah rolls. Nor do we have to carry another persons sins. If people want to continue to feed their children hate, then that's their business, and all will answer to Allah swt for their misfortunes, (whoever 'they' maybe).

[zahed73]

Barak'Allah fee Brother,

I am well aware of what took place back in '1971'. Sad times, it shouldn't have happened. But like I've said countless times before, it's not how the Ummah rolls. Nor do we have to carry another persons sins. If people want to continue to feed their children hate, then that's their business, and all will answer to Allah swt for their misfortunes, (whoever 'they' maybe).

It is not hate . For younger generation like myself its a matter of closure. Surely I can expect that from my Muslim Brother . Even families and individuals who suffer even the minutest of misfortune / pain / injustice from another want closure . And that closure comes from the other party saying ' SORRY ' . Its only human.

This is close to my heart because my family suffered as well. I do not want to make it a debate brother. We need to move on like Hina Rabbani said but convenient for her she wants to move on by turning a blind eye.

Its a matter of courage of the nation of Pakistan as well and its people to accept its past and acknowledge what was done wrong as a people.

[ILM_Sika]

It is not hate . For younger generation like myself its a matter of closure. Surely I can expect that from my Muslim Brother . Even families and individuals who suffer even the minutest of misfortune / pain / injustice from another want closure . And that closure comes from the other party saying ' SORRY ' . Its only human.

This is close to my heart because my family suffered as well. I do not want to make it a debate brother. We need to move on like Hina Rabbani said but convenient for her she wants to move on by turning a blind eye.

Its a matter of courage of the nation of Pakistan as well and its people to accept its past and acknowledge what was done wrong as a people.

Firstly, it was a war, both sides did wrong to one another. It's what happens when both sides are adamant in their ways.

Secondly I am a sister, I also don't want to get into a mini war here, so I'm just trot on out yeah.

“This is what the Beneficent (Allah) had promised, and the Messengers did speak the truth.

“There will be but a single cry, when lo! They shall all be brought unto Us. So, this day no soul shall be dealt with unjustly in the least, noi shall you be recompensed but that which you were doing.” (Qur’an, 36:48-54)

[Maripat]

It is not hate . For younger generation like myself its a matter of closure. Surely I can expect that from my Muslim Brother . Even families and individuals who suffer even the minutest of misfortune / pain / injustice from another want closure . And that closure comes from the other party saying ' SORRY ' . Its only human.

This is close to my heart because my family suffered as well. I do not want to make it a debate brother. We need to move on like Hina Rabbani said but convenient for her she wants to move on by turning a blind eye.

Its a matter of courage of the nation of Pakistan as well and its people to accept its past and acknowledge what was done wrong as a people.

I wonder if a third party, like Turkey, can take up the unenviable responsibility to bring the matters to a decent conclusion.

[zahed73]

Firstly, it was a war, both sides did wrong to one another. It's what happens when both sides are adamant in their ways.

Secondly I am a sister, I also don't want to get into a mini war here, so I'm just trot on out yeah.

“This is what the Beneficent (Allah) had promised, and the Messengers did speak the truth.

“There will be but a single cry, when lo! They shall all be brought unto Us. So, this day no soul shall be dealt with unjustly in the least, noi shall you be recompensed but that which you were doing.” (Qur’an, 36:48-54)

Okay sister u don't need to be alarmed. The war was with India and pakistan Army , how did the unarmed people deserve what they got ?
This is the fact that remains unquoted in most cases by Pakistani media .

As you quoted the correct verse from the quran.... Allah is most wise and all knowing. You are right as quoted in separate hadith .... in the day of Qiyamah the true poor will be those whose good deeds will be taken away from them and given to people they have done wrong . Even the wrong deeds of others will be on their shoulders. And that is the justice of Allah. Talk about compensation and ' Adal' .

Thats why its better to do things to make up for what was done on earth. And before you say it yes the child should not be punished for the fathers deeds nor is it possible.

But children do carry the burden of sins of the parents in more ways then one as a nation. World history is full of it.
People who know history of the subcontinent and state of Pakistan as a nation will understand.

[Jinn]

I'll just leave this here

Abu Dawood narrates that the Prophet said, "He is not one of us who calls for "assabiyyah" (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for "assabiyyah" or who dies for "assabiyyah". In another Hadith, the Prophet is found stating, "Leave it (nationalism, racism, and patriotism), it is rotten." [Muslim and Bukhari] and in the Hadith recorded in Mishkat al-Masabith, the Prophet is found saying "Undoubtedly, Allah has removed from you the pride of arrogance of the age of "Jahilliyah" (ignorance) and the glorification of ancestors. Now people are of two kinds-either believers who are aware, or transgressors who do wrong. You are all the children of Adam, and Adam was made of clay. People should give up their pride in nations because that is a coal from the coals of hellfire. If they do not give this up, Allah will consider them lower than the lowly worm which pushes itself through "Khara" (dung)." [Abu Dawood and Tirmidhi]

[zahed73]

I wonder if a third party, like Turkey, can take up the unenviable responsibility to bring the matters to a decent conclusion.

I am no fan of current Bangladesh governments efforts and abilities in foreign diplomacy.

And I think I've seen the clip you were talking about. So there is a big problem in the psyche of a part of Bangladesh politics. I know.
It started from the events of 1971 ( which then was justified in the name of Islam by the military government ). Just like anywhere else you have loonies who take things to the extreme.

Hazrat my family originates from India . We have our roots deep in the subcontinent and even in Pakistan.
Our part of the family settled in Bangladesh in relatively recent times.

My great grand parents and people before them struggled under the British as a family on the loosing side of power shift from Muslims to the British.

My grandparents were forced to start anew at the time subcontinent divided because of communal violence. Leaving behind whatever land and wealth that was not taken by the British Raj

Moving in to what then was known as Pakistan a generation later my parents witnessed the same thing happening to people with a different context.

People forget the most widespread religion with humans is not Islam , Hinduism or Christianity . It is something very common to all , love of land wealth and power and whatever needs to be done to keep it.

Our family struggled again for what we consider a just cause. This is why I find it so frustrating to see my Pakistani friends deliberate confusion on the subject.

[zahed73]

I'll just leave this here

Abu Dawood narrates that the Prophet said, "He is not one of us who calls for "assabiyyah" (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for "assabiyyah" or who dies for "assabiyyah". In another Hadith, the Prophet is found stating, "Leave it (nationalism, racism, and patriotism), it is rotten." [Muslim and Bukhari] and in the Hadith recorded in Mishkat al-Masabith, the Prophet is found saying "Undoubtedly, Allah has removed from you the pride of arrogance of the age of "Jahilliyah" (ignorance) and the glorification of ancestors. Now people are of two kinds-either believers who are aware, or transgressors who do wrong. You are all the children of Adam, and Adam was made of clay. People should give up their pride in nations because that is a coal from the coals of hellfire. If they do not give this up, Allah will consider them lower than the lowly worm which pushes itself through "Khara" (dung)." [Abu Dawood and Tirmidhi]

Example of what I said before . Completely refocusing the heart of the matter because it makes you more comfortable.
There is not much pride of nationalism when people are killed and raped. Its the survival mode that makes you take up arms and fight back and do what you must do.

Its not tribalism its called making where you stay your home and its not pride it is having some responsibility for the people there .

What you refer to has whole different context in Islam.

[Jinn]

And that's why it's rotten and best to leave it, khallas.

[zahed73]

And that's why it's rotten and best to leave it, khallas.

rotten things smell , best to clean it up

[zahed73]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atrocities



http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/



http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.com/more.php?date=2012-03-30&news_id=125092



Pakistanis, especially journalists welcomed Bangladesh's initiatives to try 1971 war criminals and urged their government to seek formal apology for their misdeeds.

Three Pakistani journalists and an NGO activist held the same opinion in exclusive interviews with BSS on the sidelines of an international conference held recently in Sri Lanka.

"We still feel sorry for the misdeeds of Pakistani forces in 1971," said Saleem Saikh, a senior journalist of widely circulated 'Dawn'.

He said a formal apology by our government for misdeeds in 1971 could smoothen the way for promoting friendly relations between the two countries.

Echoing the same, Amar Guriro of 'Pakistan Today' said, "The Pakistan government should hold a symbolic trial of the members of Pakistani troops, who are still alive, as they committed crimes against humanity in 1971."

Terming the inhuman activities of their troops in 1971 as a 'black chapter' in Pakistan's history, Ramzan Chandio, a journalist of 'The Nation' urged their government to move a bill in the national assembly seeking formal apology for the misdeeds in Bangladesh.

He was taken aback thinking how the Pakistani troops carried out such a large scale massacre on their brothers and the perpetrators go unpunished.

Sumaira Gul, Programme Manager of a Rawalpindi based non-government organization (NGO) and General Secretary of Pakistan Peoples' Party, Rawalpindi City Unit, said "The Pakistani troops had launched propaganda that the war (in 1971) took place between Pakistan and India to misguide Pakistani common people for gaining support in their favour. But, the people of Pakistan later came to know the truth and stood by Bangladesh."

"Most of the Pakistanis vehemently opposed the genocide carried out by their troops in the name of Islam," she said.

She also urged her government to seek formal apology to Bangladesh without further delay for the massacre in 1971.

[ILM_Sika]

I am no fan of current Bangladesh governments efforts and abilities in foreign diplomacy.

And I think I've seen the clip you were talking about. So there is a big problem in the psyche of a part of Bangladesh politics. I know.
It started from the events of 1971 ( which then was justified in the name of Islam by the military government ). Just like anywhere else you have loonies who take things to the extreme.

Hazrat my family originates from India . We have our roots deep in the subcontinent and even in Pakistan.
Our part of the family settled in Bangladesh in relatively recent times.

My great grand parents and people before them struggled under the British as a family on the loosing side of power shift from Muslims to the British.

My grandparents were forced to start anew at the time subcontinent divided because of communal violence. Leaving behind whatever land and wealth that was not taken by the British Raj

Moving in to what then was known as Pakistan a generation later my parents witnessed the same thing happening to people with a different context.

People forget the most widespread religion with humans is not Islam , Hinduism or Christianity . It is something very common to all , love of land wealth and power and whatever needs to be done to keep it.

Our family struggled again for what we consider a just cause. This is why I find it so frustrating to see my Pakistani friends deliberate confusion on the subject.

Brother, a lot of people suffered back then. It's a terrible lose. I've heard stories where the the enemies would come into Pakistani villages recruiting young men for war dressed in military gear, but later on massacred them, thousands were killed in this manner.

Like I said, you're not alone it happened, is happening and will happen till the end of time. Muslims/Non Muslims getting killed and they don't even know why or they do know but the reason is so feeble one would feel anger towards it naturally.

Best thing to do now is to better your lives from this. Whatever happened, happened for a reason. Allah swt don't put us through things we can't handle. Today it's up to us to make better ties with each other and make sure it don't happen again. By being a strong Ummah and sincere upon your actions and intentions can we all better our lives inshaAllah ta'ala.

But if you feel peace in going on about the past then you are free to do so. It's in the Wikipedia for all to see as well, so it don't get any more famous than that. As for you getting justice, then I quoted you verses from Al Qur'an. That nobody will suffer injustice on that Day.

Saying that, some crimes men/women commit do have to be paid for before they leave, their sufferings, before they die, should be an example for all to learn from. As how 'Not To Live Your Llife'.

May Allah swt make better relations in this Ummah. Ameen Ya Rabbi.

[Maripat]

Some one has said that it was not India that was divided in 1947 - these were Indian Muslims who got divided into three parts.

This sounds like operative truth to me.

Indeed it is better to let bygones be bygones. Except that the bygones we are talking about are so fresh and aching in our psyche.

This sinner was not very conscious of the atmosphere, being too young, in 1971 except the talks about black outs and enemy aircrafts etc but some one once remarked that we Indian Muslims were not for separation of East and West wings of Pakistan.

But now that is a reality and we got to accept that. Only then we can proceed further.

That brings us to the point suggested by brother Zahed. Pakistan courageously accepting the responsibility for the actions of its troops in erstwhile East Pakistan and Bangladesh equally magnanimously forgiving.

Perhaps Pakistan has to bring Hamoodur Rahman Committee findings into open. It will not be out of place to give some compensation.

These are all tall things. For us these are like big talk with small mouth. But who will talk about these if not we? We pygmies are left to sort the things out.

Burden of history is hardly ever light. In the present case it is certainly not. And Zardaris and Rabbanis are bigger pygmies.

May be our Scholars from Pakistan can take the onus on themselves.

May Allah (SWT) create an atmosphere of love in Ummah, especially in the sub-continent.

[ILM_Sika]

Some one has said that it was not India that was divided in 1947 - these were Indian Muslims who got divided into three parts.

This sounds like operative truth to me.

Indeed it is better to let bygones be bygones. Except that the bygones we are talking about are so fresh and aching in our psyche.

This sinner was not very conscious of the atmosphere, being too young, in 1971 except the talks about black outs and enemy aircrafts etc but some one once remarked that we Indian Muslims were not for separation of East and West wings of Pakistan.

But now that is a reality and we got to accept that. Only then we can proceed further.

That brings us to the point suggested by brother Zahed. Pakistan courageously accepting the responsibility for the actions of its troops in erstwhile East Pakistan and Bangladesh equally magnanimously forgiving.

Perhaps Pakistan has to bring Hamoodur Rahman Committee findings into open. It will not be out of place to give some compensation.

These are all tall things. For us these are like big talk with small mouth. But who will talk about these if not we? We pygmies are left to sort the things out.

Burden of history is hardly ever light. In the present case it is certainly not. And Zardaris and Rabbanis are bigger pygmies.

May be our Scholars from Pakistan can take the onus on themselves.

May Allah (SWT) create an atmosphere of love in Ummah, especially in the sub-continent.

Maripat, I'm not sorry to see you go.

[ILM_Sika]

Good one ya ukhti.

-.-

[Ibrahimhanifa]

Salam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ccavLBzkM

Bangladesh- Remains of ancient Mosque found from 7th century

[Maripat]

Reposting an older post with PS added.

Maripat, I'm not sorry to see you go.
Good one Ya Ukhti.

PS: I apologize for not taking your opinion into account during that Kashmir discussion. I did not know that you were Kashmiri. I thought you were unnecessarily jumping into discussion. No disrespect was intended. Forgiveness solicited.

[ILM_Sika]

Reposting an older post with PS added.

Good one Ya Ukhti.

PS: I apologize for not taking your opinion into account during that Kashmir discussion. I did not know that you were Kashmiri. I thought you were unnecessarily jumping into discussion. No disrespect was intended. Forgiveness solicited.

Brother, how do you know I'm Kashmiri? Wait are you reading old posts! lols

Forgiven brother, no blame is on you. Now lets carry on ignoring each other. You don't want another Fatwa sent on SF now do you!?

[Maripat]

I would have done without the last fatwa.
But now that it is in place I expect nothing but Khair from it.
Inshaa Allah I'll do everything to bring the perpetrator of the treachery to justice - including the puppeteer in the background.

[ILM_Sika]

I would have done without the last fatwa.
But now that it is in place I expect nothing but Khair from it.
Inshaa Allah I'll do everything to bring the perpetrator of the treachery to justice - including the puppeteer in the background.

:thumbsup::insh:

[Sulaiman84]

Maripat al-fadhil,


May you consider the last 3 ayat of Surah An-Nahl and the 40th ayah of Surah ash-Shura...

It is at your discretion.

إني لكم ناصح أمين

[Maripat]

Maripat al-fadhil,


May you consider the last 3 ayat of Surah An-Nahl and the 40th ayah of Surah ash-Shura...

It is at your discretion.

إني لكم ناصح أمين
:jazak: Akhi.
Every point conceded.
They are forgiven for sake of Allah (SWT).
This leaves the task of cheering up those who were adversely affected by the event.
And that is always a pleasure in a family.

[Sulaiman84]

:jazak: Akhi.
Every point conceded.
They are forgiven for sake of Allah (SWT).
This leaves the task of cheering up those who were adversely affected by the event.
And that is always a pleasure in a family.


:alhamd: for your concession... I was also upset but I've been told too many times that I have an unconventional way of showing emotion for my brothers.


إني أحبك في الله

و أضحك الله سنك

[Maripat]

إني أحبك في الله

:alhamd:
Me too.


و أضحك الله سنك
Ameen.