It's only considered sunnah to grow it to a fist's length if you follow the Hanafi methodology of jurisprudence.
Plus think of those people who cannot grow a fist length beard.
Not everyone is a hairy desi after all.
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It's only considered sunnah to grow it to a fist's length if you follow the Hanafi methodology of jurisprudence.
Plus think of those people who cannot grow a fist length beard.
Not everyone is a hairy desi after all.
:cough:
Salam,
according to the hanafis, it is wajib (compulsory) to have it at a minimum of a fists length, as is the case with the hanbalis.
http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Q...a00000625.aspx
Walaikum assalam,
In the Hanafi school:
In the Durr al-Mukhtar is says that the beard's "...sunnah length is a fistful... And as for shortening it when it is less than that, as some North Africans and effeminate men do, this is something no one [i.e. of the Hanafi scholars] has said is permitted..."
Ibn Abidin concurred with this in his supercommentary Radd al-Muhtar. The scholars explain that "sunnah length" here means, "the length affirmed by the sunnah," though the ruling of this length is that it is wajib (necessary), as clearly understood from that which comes after in the same text.
This position is also confirmed in other works, such as al-Bahr al-Ra'iq, Fath al-Qadir, and al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya. This is what I learned from my teachers, both Syrian and Indian, and is mentioned in the books of fatawa as well.
The evidence, from the Prophet's practice, and repeated instructions to, "Lengthen your beards and trim your mustaches," [Muslim] would confirm this.
Shaykh Nuh translated some of these: [See his article On Keeping the Beard, at http://www.masud.co.uk]
Ibn 'Umar relates from the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) that he said: "Do otherwise than those who ascribe partners to Allah (al-mushrikin): leave beards be, and trim mustaches." And ibn 'Umar, when he went on hajj or 'umra, grasped his beard with his hand, and removed what was in excess of it (Sahih al-Bukhari. 9 vols. Cairo 1313/1895. Reprint (9 vols. in 3). Beirut: Dar al-Jil, n.d., 7.206: 5892 and Sahih Muslim, 5 vols. Cairo 1376/1956. Reprint. Beirut: Dar al-Fikr, 1403/1983, 1.222: 259).
Shaykh Nuh then said, "In his commentary on Sahih al-Bukhari, the great Hanafi hadith Imam Badr al-Din al-'Ayni says:
If one objects: "What does 'leave beards be' mean, when 'to leave be' (al-i'fa') literally means 'to make plenteous,' and there are people, who, if they were to leave their beard, following the outward sense of leave beards be, their beard would become outrageous in length and width, and look disgusting, so that the person would become a topic of conversation, or a proverb"--The reply is that it is established from the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) that this hadith is conditioned by a specific context [i.e. the demand to do the contrary to what the Persians and non-Arabs did, established by the first words of the hadith], and that the amount and definition of the beard that is unlawful to leave uncut have been differed upon by the early Muslims . . . . The meaning, in my opinion, is "as long as it does not exceed what is customary among [religious] people." 'Ata' [ibn Abi Rabah, Mufti of Mecca, d. 114/732), has said, "There is no harm in trimming a little from the length and sides of his beard, if it grows large and long, in order to avoid notoriety, or if one risks being made fun of" ('Umda al-qari sharh Sahih al-Bukhari. 20 vols. Cairo: Mustafa Babi al-Halabi, 1392/1972, 18.76)
As one scholar used to say, "This is all I have, and that which others have may well be much better."
And Allah knows best.
Faraz Rabbani.
Incidentally, Imam Badr al-Din al-`Ayni was also a sufi, of the Shadhili tariqa, being a student of Imam Qutb al-Wujud Sham sal-Din Muhammad al-Hanafi al-Shadhili
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according to the hanafis, it is wajib (compulsory) to have it at a minimum of a fists length, as is the case with the hanbalis.
Is there a link to an article by the Hanbalis in this regard Akhi?
I just found the following in the stored archives of the Hanbali fiqh forum:
Regarding the beard: the obligation is not shaving it off. The sunnah is to just let it grow to its natural length. It is permissible to trim the beard, though it is better not to trim it to a length less than the width of your palm. Someone who habitually shaves their beard without having a legal excuse for doing so is considered morally corrupt, and it is invalid to pray the five daily prayers behind them.
Please search the group archive for more articles on this subject.
And Allah knows best.
wa al-salamu `alaykum
--musa
as salamu alaykum
first of all, lets not make the issue of the beard something it isn't. Muslims should not be debating about the necessity of beards, let alone its length. Yes, no doubting its status in all four madhhahib, but lets not make it the priority for muslims, and more importantly, lets not judge others by their beard, or the length of it. I recently encountered an Imam not permitting a muslim without a beard to perform the adhan - since when did that become a prerequisite for adhan?
secondly, since there are various opinions on the beard in the four madhhahib, one should not necessarily grow it as fist length, although it would be preferable if one was hanafi (to avoid talfiq).
thirdly, in the maliki school, the most lenient position i have come across is a goatee-type beard... and you will that Shaykh Hamza has one like this. In fact Habib 'Ali has been quoted as saying the bear minimum is hair on the chin (forgive me if i have misquoted him).
Finally, the ulama have said it is befitting for a student of 'ilm to keep a beard. However, it is a FACT that many ulama haven't kept beards.
'Abd al-Wakil
P.S. i have heard brothers from hizb ut-tahrir stating that the beard is mubah, and i have heard that some classical ulama took this position, but i haven't confirmed this to be a valid position, nor have i personally found out who these ulama were (if they did hold this view, that is)
Allahu a'lam
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secondly, since there are various opinions on the beard in the four madhhahib, one should not necessarily grow it as fist length, although it would be preferable if one was hanafi (to avoid talfiq).
Bro, why would that be Talfiq?
http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Q...a00000499.aspx
Erm.. Hanbalis have a "wajib" classification?
The Hanbali position is also that one's sideburns (al-aridan) are not a part of the beard. Here's what Sidi Musa Furber said in response to a query on the now gone (?) Hanbali fiqh list:
So not wajib.. Still, now we're just splitting hairs..Quote:
Regarding the beard: the obligation is not shaving it off. The sunnah is to just let it grow to its natural length. It is permissible to trim the beard, though it is better not to trim it to a length less than the width of your palm.
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Originally Posted by AbuZayd
as salamu alaykum
as far i was aware, talfiq is mixing between madhhabs out of ease, which is disliked.
Allahu a'lam
Talfiq is stitching together your own derivations from bits and pieces of others - hence we see in that sunnipath link the indication that one should ensure that one's actions are complete one's, rather than one aspect.
Some classify it into four parts:
1) You take a whole single action in it's entirety from another madhab (permissable)
2) You take seperate actions which don't rely on each other (probably permissable)
3) You take a bit of one and a bit of another, but the final action is still acceptable in one of them (erm.. maybe permissable)
4) You take a bit of one and a bit of another, and the whole action is impermissable in any madhab (not permissable)
In the case of the beard, I can't think of any other ruling it directly impacts save that if it is shaven, some madhabs indicate it is impermissable to pray behind one without a beard and some may consider a goatee not a beard. That's a bit of a stretch however..
Salam,
i am fairly sure that it was in the casette "The Status of the beard" by Shaykh riyadh ul Haq in which he said that it was the hanbali position that it was wajib. I'll check again though.
salams
best to ask a hanbali scholar, not a hanafi.
look for sidi musa furbers opinion, or ask on hanbali texts society.