
Originally Posted by
reaz2000
As'Salam Alaikum
Another question is about time requirements
:
As I am seeing it: At rate of a quick 1 minute per page
New lesson = 300 reps = 5 hours
Prev day revision = 150 reps = 2.5 hours
Prev day revision = 75 reps = 1.25 hours
Prev day revision = 15 reps = 0.25 hours
Grand total = 9 hours
Also I doubt that I can keep up the speed of 1 minute per page for 9 hours?
No time will be left for sleeping eating or the rest! What about fitting in memorizing meanings and other learning?
I cant even dare to estimate what moving up from 300 to 500 reps will do.
Any comments? maybe i am misunderstanding something?
Was'Salam
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wa 'alaikum as salaam,
This is the calculation of repetitions that I came up with; using 500 reps for Qur'an; and not 300 that is the example for "other texts", while dividing the reps for "review" in half every following day (which is the calculation used in the example for 300 reps used for other texts):
What is listed in the text:
After one engages in this time consuming program for more than two weeks or so, he will have the following: [for "other texts = 300 reps; for Qur'an = 500 reps]
Day 1: 300 reps
Day 2: 300+150+explanation 15 times
Day 3: 300+150+75+explanations for material of day one and two- totaling 23 times
Day 4: 300+150+75+10+explanations for material of day one, two, and three- totaling 33 times.
Day 5: Continues as day four along with reading everything at once a few times to ensure proper connection etc.
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For Qur'an, it would be, working "with the average quick reading time of one minute for one page of Qur'an", as mentioned in the description, to calculate the time:
Day 1:
New Lesson A (typically one page from mushaaf) @ 500 reps [ 8 hours : 20 minutes]
[ question: is the mushaaf used in Mauritania, the same as Madinah mushaaf, in terms of pages, lines, etc.? and I know they learn to recite with Warsh, and not Hafs first. ]
Day 2:
New Lesson B @ 500 reps [ 8 hours : 20 minutes ]
Review Lesson A @ 250 reps [ 4 hours : 10 minutes ] + explanation or translation 25 times
[ 12 hours : 30 minutes for recitation alone ]
Day 3:
New Lesson C @ 500 reps [ 8 hours : 20 minutes ]
Review Lesson B @ 250 reps [ 4 hours : 10 minutes ] + explanation or translation 25 times
Review Lesson A @ 125 reps [ 2 hours : 5 minutes ] + explanation or translation 12.5 times
[ 14 hours : 35 minutes for recitation alone ]
Day 4:
New Lesson D @ 500 reps [ 8 hours : 20 minutes ]
Review Lesson C @ 250 reps [ 4 hours : 10 minutes ] + explanation or translation 25 times
Review Lesson B @ 125 reps [ 2 hours : 5 minutes ] + explanation or translation 12.5 times
Review LEsson A @ 62.5 reps [ 1 hour : 2 minutes : 30 seconds ] + explanation or translation 6.25 times
[ 15 hours : 37 minutes : 30 seconds for recitation alone ]
Day 5:
New Lesson E @ 500 reps [ 8 hours : 20 minutes ]
Review Lesson D @ 250 reps [ 4 hours : 10 minutes ] + explanation or translation 25 times
Review Lesson C @ 125 reps [ 2 hours : 5 minutes ] + explanation or translation 12.5 times
Review Lesson B @ 62.5 reps [ 1 hour : 2 minutes : 30 seconds ] + explanation or translation 6.25 times
Review Lesson A @ 31.25 reps [ 31 minutes : 15 seconds ] + explanation or translation 3.125 times
[ 16 hours : 8 minutes : 45 seconds for recitation alone ]
Consolidation of Review: "Continues as day four along with reading everything at once a few times to ensure proper connection etc."
Day 6:
New Lesson F @ 500 reps [ 8 hours : 20 minutes ]
Review Lesson E @ 250 reps [ 4 hours : 10 minutes ] + explanation 25 times
Review Lesson D @ 125 reps [ 2 hours : 5 minutes ] + explanation 12.5 times
Review Lesson C @ 62.5 reps [ 1 hour : 2 minutes : 30 seconds ] + explanation 6.25 times
Review Lesson B @ 31.25 reps [ 31 minutes : 15 seconds ] + explanation 3.125 times
[ 16 hours : 8 minutes : 45 seconds for recitation alone ]
Day 7:
New Lesson G @ 500 reps [ 8 hours : 20 minutes ]
Review Lesson F @ 250 reps [ 4 hours : 10 minutes ] + explanation 25 times
Review Lesson E @ 125 reps [ 2 hours : 5 minutes ] + explanation 12.5 times
Review Lesson D @ 62.5 reps [ 1 hour : 2 minutes : 30 seconds ] + explanation 6.25 times
Review Lesson C @ 31.25 reps [ 31 minutes : 15 seconds ] + explanation 3.125 times
[ 16 hours : 8 minutes : 45 seconds for recitation alone ]
Day 8:
New Lesson H @ 500 reps [ 8 hours : 20 minutes ]
Review Lesson G @ 250 reps [ 4 hours : 10 minutes ] + explanation 25 times
Review Lesson F @ 125 reps [ 2 hours : 5 minutes ] + explanation 12.5 times
Review Lesson E @ 62.5 reps [ 1 hour : 2 minutes : 30 seconds ] + explanation 6.25 times
Review Lesson D @ 31.25 reps [ 31 minutes : 15 seconds ] + explanation 3.125 times
[ 16 hours : 8 minutes : 45 seconds for recitation alone ]
Day 8:
New Lesson I @ 500 reps [ 8 hours : 20 minutes ]
Review Lesson H @ 250 reps [ 4 hours : 10 minutes ] + explanation 25 times
Review Lesson G @ 125 reps [ 2 hours : 5 minutes ] + explanation 12.5 times
Review Lesson F @ 62.5 reps [ 1 hour : 2 minutes : 30 seconds ] + explanation 6.25 times
Review Lesson E @ 31.25 reps [ 31 minutes : 15 seconds ] + explanation 3.125 times
[ 16 hours : 8 minutes : 45 seconds for recitation alone ]
Day 9:
New Lesson J @ 500 reps [ 8 hours : 20 minutes ]
Review Lesson I @ 250 reps [ 4 hours : 10 minutes ] + explanation 25 times
Review Lesson H @ 125 reps [ 2 hours : 5 minutes ] + explanation 12.5 times
Review Lesson G @ 62.5 reps [ 1 hour : 2 minutes : 30 seconds ] + explanation 6.25 times
Review Lesson F @ 31.25 reps [ 31 minutes : 15 seconds ] + explanation 3.125 times
[ 16 hours : 8 minutes : 45 seconds for recitation alone ]
Day 10:
New Lesson K @ 500 reps [ 8 hours : 20 minutes ]
Review Lesson J @ 250 reps [ 4 hours : 10 minutes ] + explanation 25 times
Review Lesson I @ 125 reps [ 2 hours : 5 minutes ] + explanation 12.5 times
Review Lesson H @ 62.5 reps [ 1 hour : 2 minutes : 30 seconds ] + explanation 6.25 times
Review Lesson G @ 31.25 reps [ 31 minutes : 15 seconds ] + explanation 3.125 times
[ 16 hours : 8 minutes : 45 seconds for recitation alone ]
Consolidation of Review: "Continues as day (nine) along with reading everything at once a few times to ensure proper connection etc."
Etc.
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Also, I do not believe that they complete the "new lesson and review for Day #" in one day or 24 hours time; rather I think they spread out the "day's schedule" over several days, as long as the repetition number goal is met for both the new lesson and the review; based on this statement in the text:
After one engages in this time consuming program for more than two weeks or so, he will have the following:
Day 1: 300 reps
Day 2: 300+150+explanation 15 times
Day 3: 300+150+75+explanations for material of day one and two- totaling 23 times
Day 4: 300+150+75+10+explanations for material of day one, two, and three- totaling 33 times.
Day 5: Continues as day four along with reading everything at once a few times to ensure proper connection etc.
With this method, you will memorize with strength in sha Allah. One thing to keep in mind also is that you are not bound to the numbers mentioned above. If you don't have the time to sit for hours upon hours, at least repeat your material 50 times on day one and then 25 on day two and 10 on day three and so on and so fourth. A little is better than reading it a few times thinking that you memorized it, only to stumble the next day as if you did nothing at all.
According to Dr. Alfi's research:
The Mauritanian Model
At this point it is appropriate to mention some related characteristics of reading, rehearsing, mastering, overlearning and achieving automaticity in yet another model known as the Mauritanian model. In Mauritania, children as young as 4 to 6 years spend as many as 10 to 12 hours in mahdharahs (a “university” for all ages and all “arts”) engaged in a number of activities related to Quranic memorization and some Islamic and Arabic language disciplines. These children first master the basic skill of reading, albeit often without understanding what they are reading because Arabic is not their mother tongue and because of their young age. Their reading skill is practiced to a high level of automaticity and is often acquired at home before joining mahdharahs. Then they write on their own portable wooden chalkboards of different sizes, read what is written for them by their teacher or what they have written themselves, rehearse it, memorize it and recite it to one another and to their teacher over and over again until they have learned it verbatim. This is what they do every day with every new passage of varied length according to their level.
Then they overlearn these new passages to the point of automaticity by repeating them over and over again, close to a hundred times or beyond. This typically leads to high fluency, accuracy, speed and automaticity with little or no understanding or awareness. Next this "new" passage is scheduled into a gradually spaced review plan incorporating the newly added passages. This tablet is divided into four sections, two sections on each side, so that on the first day section one is filled up with a new passage and memorized. The second day another new passage is written on the second section and memorized. This process is continued until, by the fifth day, the passage written on section one has to be erased to allow for a new passage to be written and memorized. However, by this time the erased passage is on its way to being engraved relatively permanently on the mind. Review practices still go on, although at a further spaced time. This is what they do in essence day in and day out, every school day for 2 hours or more on all previously memorized parts of the Quran. By the time they graduate, that is, have memorized the entire Quran, it will most likely be stored for life for easy retrieval. This process is also enhanced by testing the student on what they have memorized at least twice a week. (There are certain exceptions to this outline of behavior, but generally this is what takes place.)
All of this is done on a truly one to one basis. These children, as is their teacher, are totally devoted to the memorization of the Holy Quran, at least to the extent to which they are able at that stage of mental and emotional development. They do not have other obligations, other subject matters or other time demanding activities that will interfere with this never ceasing effort of memorization. In fact, it could be stated that much of the success of the memorization of the Quran in Mauritania can be attributed to what we might for lack of a better term call “culture,” since the memorization of the Quran is such a deep part of the daily lives of the people who live there. For example, competition is so high among students as to how much, how fast and how well they are able to commit passages of the Quran to memory. Additionally, many competitive techniques are employed to encourage learners to memorize, such as games related to the location and resemblance of a particular verse. For example, a verse might be given to a student and the student then has to remember the verse that comes either after or before it.
These activities are followed rigorously until they graduate two to three years later when they will have memorized the entire Quran.
excerpt from: http://digital.library.ksu.edu.sa/paper1251.html
As for the speed of recitation, I agree with you and don't know how it is possible to recite (with tajweed) " . . . [with the average quick reading time of one minute for one page of Qur'an]." I am in the process of checking with a Scholar I know who studied in Mauritania and used this method to find out the speed of recitation he used.
I also read in another thread:
Reading Qur'an Fast
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ing-Quran-fast
In my opinion, this warp speed of recitation, in and of itself, goes against the Qur'anic injunction to "recite with tarteel (slowly)". And I found a few other Scholarly opinions on the speed of recitation below:
Q2: I have been taught the speed is divided in three stages, Hadr (fast) Tadweer (medium) and Tarteel (slow) all the obove with observing the rules of tajweed. but others term it: tahqeeq (fast), tadweer or tarteel (medium) and tahdeer (slow) which is the correct, please explain in detail.
A2: The three speeds of recitation were documented by Imam Ibn Al-Jazaree as: Tahqeeq, Tadweer, and Hadr, so those are the terms we prefer. It is always best to rely on the early sources of knowledge in tajweed. A correction though, Tahqeeq is the slowest speed, Tadweer a little faster, and Hadr a quicker speed. Please see the follow previous questions and answers for more information [with soundclips]: http://www.abouttajweed.com/31100101.htm and http://www.abouttajweed.com/021101.htm .
http://www.abouttajweed.com/kb/entry/163/
and
What is the recommended recitation speed when learning a new surah?
http://abouttajweed.com/kb/entry/538/
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So, I am curious about what speed of recitation you use for: learning the surah, memorizing the surah, and reviewing the surah? And please post links to sounclips, so that we can hear the speed of the reciter.
Because the speed of recitation will determine how long the repetitions take.
Jazaakum Allahu khaira.
as salaam 'alaikum
P.S. edit on Monday 09.26.2011 > I did receive confirmation from a brother in California, who has heard advanced students of Sheikh Salek (http://www.sunnipath.com/Library/Art...R00000161.aspx and http://www.mahdara.com/) recite to him.
Here is an actual example of a Mauritanian reciting quickly, " . . . with the average quick reading time of one minute for one page of Qur'an . . . ":
http://thefinalbrick.blogspot.com/20...in-desert.html
and in the background, you can hear a student reciting something fast:
http://thefinalbrick.blogspot.com/20...sisted-to.html
and here a student recites at a medium speed for guests:
http://thefinalbrick.blogspot.com/20...auritania.html
Their memorization and revision speed of recitation makes this seem slow: http://flawlessquran.com/site/?p=184
And I used this Time Calculator for crunching the hours and minutes of recitation:
http://www.scottseverance.us/html/time_calculator.htm
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