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    Shaikh bin Bayyah on extremism

    Shaikh Abdullah bin Bayyah spoke yesterday at the RIS Conference on Extremism in deen and the importance of taking the middle path. The speech was in Arabic and was ably translated by Shaikh Muhammad ash-Shareef. Following are some points I found interesting and noted down. I have tried my best to ensure that the meaning of what was said stays intact, but there is every possibility that I misunderstood what was said. Also, these are just points of interest and not necessarily the full speech. Importantly, I did not note down all the Ayaat and the Ahadeeth given as evidence by the respected Shaikh, hafidullah.

    Islam on extremism

    The Shaikh said that extremism stems from lack of knowledge, which is ignorance. Islam is based on knowledge and combats ignorance, therefore extremism is not from Islam. This is known from many ayaat and ahadeeth in which we are warned against ghuloo, tanattu, tashadud.

    Lack of knowledge is a cause of extremist behaviour

    Lack of knowledge is the single biggest cause of extremism. The Shaikh pointed that the Muslim families in North America are cut-off from the sources of knowledge. The youth grow up not learning the fiqh of ibadaat (worship) and the fiqh of muamlaat (inter-personal dealings), both of which are basic and necessary for every Muslim. The youth grow up not knowing what Islam teaches them about living their life.

    And then, they get mesmerized easily by anyone and everyone. Their knowledge starts coming from sources that are sometimes extreme (JM: implication being that they can't distinguish between the extreme and the balanced due to their lack of knowledge).

    As Hasan al-Basri said, "Islam is between extremism and laxity." The youth does not recognize the truth and gathers at polar opposites instead of the middle path.

    Allah calls Muslims the justly balanced Ummah - Ummatan Wasataa. That is not just being in the middle in Shariah. It also means being in the middle when it comes to muamlaat and ibadaat. (It goes as far as to tell us that) we should not be a person who is always happy and we should not be a person who is always sad, rather Islam suggests the middle path even in matters that are deeply personal (and related to feelings and emotions).

    Even when an injustice is committed against us, Islam encourages us to be just, as it is closer to taqwa.

    Muslims are required to be Ummatan Wasata in minhaj (methdology), ibadaat (worship), iqtisad (economy), etc.

    The middle path requires knowledge and understanding of maqasid as well as the sources

    The middle path requires knowledge and understanding of the Qur'an and the Sunnah as well as the knowledge and understanding of maqasid of Shariah - the higher principles of Shariah.

    Extremism comes from ignorance upon ignorance, where the ignorant is ignorant of his ignorance. This is like the Khawarij who used an Ayah of the Qur'an to say "no hukm other than Allah". Ali bin Abi Talib (RA) said about them that it is kalamat al-haq (the word of truth) but used for fasad (tyranny) and baatil (falsehood). The Shaikh said that this is because the Khawarij understood the Quran, but they failed to understand the Maqasid.

    The Shaikh pointed to Umar bin al-Khattab's times when due to famine he lifted the punishment for stealing. This was from the understanding of the Qur'an and the Sunnah applied to his context with understanding of the maqasid of the Shariah. Similarly, the Shaikh also pointed to the example of Ali bin Abi Talib not enforcing Qisaas on the killers of Uthman when more important issues were at hand and uniting the Ummah under one leadership was priority. Ali bin Abi Talib used the maqasib of Shariah here.

    Some people want hudood in North America. The Shaikh said that there is no Sultan and there is no Islamic governing body in North America. Those who want hudood established in North America fail to understand the maqasid of Shariah.

    Two areas where extremism plays a part

    Muslims nowadays have taken to extremist behaviour with respect to two.

    al Walaa wal baraa (loving and hating for Allah, aka allegiance)
    Jihaad

    al Walaa wal baraa

    There are three levels of loving and hating / allegiance.

    To have allegiance to non-Muslims against Muslims. This is haraam.
    To have allegiance to non-Muslims in Haraam. This is haraam.
    To love and deal with kindly with non-Muslims on a daily basis, in muamlaat. This is not only permissible, it is required from a Muslim to do so. We are required to treat, for example, our kins with kindness even if they are not Muslims.
    (We take our example from Ibrahim when) Ibrahim said to his people, as mentioned in the Quraan -- I free myself of what you do. Note, that Ibrahim did not say I free myself, or hate, you. Rather, he mentioned the acts.

    Jihaad

    This is greatly misunderstood, the Shaikh said. Allah orders us to fight but not to exceed limits when we fight. Muslims were given permission to fight because transgression was done to them. To understand the hukm on Jihaad one must understand all the verses on the topic in their proper context. To take one verse and apply it will surely result in extremism.

    The Shaikh defined Jihad as al-harb bain ad-dawalatain wa lais-a bain al-hizbain (JM: I hope I got the Arabic right). Jihad is that war which is between two nations and not between two groups of people.

    Vigilantes fighting for their own agendas is not Jihad. You cannot call Jihad fighting of a group of people taking matters into their own hands.

    Participation in elections

    The Shaikh then talk about the issue of participating in the elections. He said that he understands some people have reservations against participating in the elections in North America which is not from Islam.

    The land belongs to Allah and wherever a Muslim finds an opportunity to spread goodness, he must. The Shaikh gave the example of Yousuf (AS), who asked for the king of Egypt, who was not on the religion of Yousuf, for the position of treasury or minister of finance. This is because Yousuf (AS) believed he is able to do good in that position. When people see him doing a good job at that level of prominence, what could be a greater da'wah than that, the Shaikh pointed.

    Back to the understanding of maqasid and the sources

    The Shaikh said that there are three groups of people:

    Those who take the verses literally and don't know the maqasid. These are on falsehood.
    Those who base their decisions on maqasid without the sources. These people make-up things that are not from Islam. They change the basics of Islam. They even change prayer. These are on falsehood as well.
    Those who unite the sources and the maqasid and these are the people of true knowledge.
    The Shaikh pointed to the story of the companions when a companion was ill and required a bath in a situation where bathing would have killed him. He was told by the companions to take a bath even though it would have surely killed him and it did. When the Prophet heard of it, he was extremely upset and uttered some of the harshest words when he said, "You killed him, may Allah kill you." Then the Prophet went on to say, "do you now know that cure of ignorance is asking the question."

    Establishment of Islamic schools

    The Shaikh emphasized the importance of establishing Islamic schools as THE way to combat extremism. By doing so, you will develop the foundation of true Islamic knowledge from which the Islamic civilization will spring forth...

    Concluding Advice to the Audience

    The Shaikh ended with giving the following advice:

    An advice from the Qur'an: wassayna allatheena ootoo alkitaba min qablikum wa-iyyakum ani ittaqoo Allaha -- Verily we have directed the People of the Book before you, and you (o Muslims) to fear Allah.
    An advice from a Hadith: "Establish the Salaat, pay the zakaat and stay away from evil and then stay wherever you want." So to live in a non-Muslim country, we must do these three.
    Educate yourself. Educate yourself. Educate yourself.
    Canada's issues must become your issues. Muslims must become dynamic contributors to the society.
    Accept our mutual differences of opinion. Having differences of opinion in Islam is not as big a matter as we have made it. Have differences, but agree to have differences. And then work together for the deen of Allah.
    Some more concluding advice

    The Shaikh pointed to Muhammad ash-Shareef and said here is a young man who memorized the Qur'an living in Canada, without going out. Follow his example and establish institutes where Muslim youth get the opportunity to get pure knowledge

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    The Shaikh defined Jihad as al-harb bain ad-dawalatain wa lais-a bain al-hizbain (JM: I hope I got the Arabic right). Jihad is that war which is between two nations and not between two groups of people
    wa itha kunta bidoon dowlatan? Sit back and watch your sisters and mothers raped and dishonoured? Lay down and let the oppressors march into your homes and dishonour you and all of your family?

    Yes it's true we must understand fully the hukm regarding such issues, but it appears that this is saying any resistance is invalid, and Muslims should just lay down and die, or take up their property and families and walk.

    If we don't have a Dowlah to protect and serve us and stand up for us, then it is a must that we establish one, as a pre-requisite for a fard is in itself a fard. A solution must be alluded to akhi, not just a criticism of all those sincere brothers out there struggling to maintain our honour and dignity, even if some of them may not be on the correct path.

    The land belongs to Allah and wherever a Muslim finds an opportunity to spread goodness, he must.
    We know all land belongs to Allah (swt) akhi, but also so does the sole right to legislate. Entering into a legislative assembly and making halaal and haraam in a democratic system is a clear attempt to place oneself on the level of Allah (swt) as legislator, auothu billah min thalik! You cannot spread goodness by committing evil.

    The Shaikh gave the example of Yousuf (AS), who asked for the king of Egypt, who was not on the religion of Yousuf, for the position of treasury or minister of finance
    Yusuf (as) may he be far above any suggestion that he legislated within a kufr system under Fira'un! He took a completely autonomous position under a regime which was very simplistic and didn't involve him legislating. Not only that, he is a prophet of Allah (swt), so what he did was in the service of Allah (swt) and you cannot claim to emulate him in this issue. That is even leaving aside the issue of whether we follow the shari'ah of Muhammad (saw) or the shari'ah of previous prophets (as). It was also permissable in previous shari'ah's to drink wine, are you going to contend it is for us as well? Or for brothers and sisters to marry, do you contend this is also permissable? Authu billah min thalik!


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    My intention to post the above was not for discussion, but reading. These are notes. The respected shuykh is not present to defend anything nor the brother who made such notes.

    One who has is aware of the status and knowledge depth of the above shaykh would understand his level of advice, direction. I do not think, there is anything wrong within the shaykhs comments, as its balanced, the way we should be too. Many ulama may not agree to his method, many may, but one needs to respect the other, thats the key to going forward.

    I do not think comments such as, sisters being raped, etc are needed, i think everyone is aware of state of the muslims, and the shaykh is far more informed than most of us here, as he deals with many "modern fiqhi issues", so such comments show lack of respect, lack of understanding. And the actual speech was a general one, not directed to specific place or audience.

    As many say, his understanding of current affairs is sought after by many...


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    You should refrain from misconstruing criticism of ideas as disrespect for the propounder of those ideas.

    In our deen, nobody is "untouchable", merely because of his so called position of standing amongst the community. If somebody makes a statement, about this deen, and proclaims it to be the position of this deen, then he must accept his opinions will be open to scrutiny.

    I do not think, there is anything wrong within the shaykhs comments, as its balanced, the way we should be too.
    This is perhaps the biggest problem with these kinds of views and ideas. The kuffar have cornered us into believing that unless we add some unIslamic concepts into our speeches and analysis, then we're not being "balanced". So we write something good and Islamically based (as some of this speech was, I'm not above admitting this) and then we interwine some unIslamic concepts into it, to keep the other side happy. So we speak about the necessity of Jihad, then criticise those carrying it out. He also adopts the Western manufactured dichotomy of Extremism versus moderation, may Allah (Swt) protect us from being cornered into such things.

    You may not think there's anything wrong with his comments, and this is the danger sign for this Ummah. We accept anything, as long as it's said by a man of prestige, no matter how openly it contradicts Islam. We listen to the title of the speaker and what others said about him, not what he's actually saying, and then compare it back to the Qur'an and Sunnah.

    It should be quite clear to most amongst this Ummah today that the action of legislating is CLEARLY wrong according to the Qur'an and Sunnah, yet many amongst us still have problems with things like this, and we allow ourselves to be bedazzled by personalities speaking on these issues, even if their daleels are completely upside down (like the permissibility to follow previous shari'ah). We say "wow, did you see that, he used the story of Yusuf (as) to show it's permissable", yet we know absolutely nothing about Usul al-Fiqh and the fact that Previous Shari'ah is one of the weakest sources of Shari'ah, and is rarely used, especially not when it contradicts clear evidences from Primary Fiqh sources. Only if the topic is not mentioned in the Primary sources would such a Shari'ah source even be remotely considered.

    Again as I said, don't misconstrue this as an attack on the brother, it is definitely not, and I didn't even mention him, just the ideas propounded.


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    Quote Originally Posted by abu_rashid

    You may not think there's anything wrong with his comments, and this is the danger sign for this Ummah. We accept anything, as long as it's said by a man of prestige, no matter how openly it contradicts Islam. We listen to the title of the speaker and what others said about him, not what he's actually saying, and then compare it back to the Qur'an and Sunnah.
    you hit the nail on the head with that one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crono Devir
    you hit the nail on the head with that one

    /me coughcbinbaazergibntamiyyahegeralbanihamzayusdufeg gabdulwahahabcough
    I agree that he hit the nail on the head with that one (even though that doesn't mean that agree with the entirety of what brother abu_rashid has said).


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    "don't misconstrue this as an attack on the brother, it is definitely not" Alhamdulilah.

    I agree to the statement that we should not take from people, based on prestiage. Many who take knowledge from shaykh bin bayyah take it due to his depth of knowledge and study, alhamdulilah.

    "to keep the other side happy" and "kuffar have cornered us" this is true to some speakers and general people, but i hope that was not directed at the shaykh himself. As i what i find more strange is when people start judging someone elses intention, something we are far from doing.

    We do not follow people based on thier status in the world, rather their status in our Lords sight. And as one reads, "those who know are not equal to those who do not", and the heirs of the prophet are our ulama, and the above shaykh is deeply rooted in ilm and the sciences, thus he isnt those who we may point and say "his being brainwashed" or "his weak" or "his making the other side happy".

    To us it may seem that, but as one shaykh told me, a man who speaks loudly, if you meet him and then talk to him based on his characteristic, then your conclusion is what is wrong with this man, why is he shouting, but in reality, this is how he is, so when we meet people or listen to other people whom we are not familiar with, we should not be quick to "brush" them to our "minded groups". They may speak differently or look at things differently, the same apple, but has many ways to cut it.

    May Allah reward you for your beautiful words, ameen!


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    Akhi Abdur rashid.

    Are you with hizb at tahreer?


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    This rhetoric is very simplistic.
    Ruling by kufr is haraam.

    But what did the fuqahaa say on this issue
    We don't follow stray ayats or hadeeths...we follow The understanding of them
    BY THE FUQAHA.

    Not by the aami muqallaids like me and you.

    Mufti Shafi' discusses the hanafee understanding
    of the story of Yusuf in the commentary on surah Yusuf, in ma'arif al quran.

    really...we are very abusive to ulema , and they are the people who teach us
    how to understand the deen.


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    Akhi Abdur rashid.

    Are you with hizb at tahreer?
    Are they the only people you consider who reject human beings legislating besides Allah (swt)?

    Why do you not stop trying to pidgeon hole everyone and listen to what's being said, not who's said it, not what groups they might or might not be associated with.

    This is actually a clear example of what I was saying. You couldn't care less about the content of what's being said. You don't care if it contradicts Islam or it agrees with it, all you care about is who said it or what groups they are associated with or what position of respe4ct and prestige they have.

    We are indeed muqallideen, but we are able to determine clear issues like this. If shaytan came to you and said "worship me, bow down and make sujud to me right now" would you tell him "Lahzah! I just gotta go and consult my hanafi-tablighi-deobandi mufti and see if it's allowed or not, as I'm only a muqallid and therefore I'm not in any position to make such a decision by myself".

    Most definitely we should not reject the Ulema, or seperate ourselves from them, but we must account them, and we must scrutinise every single word they say, especially when it CLEARLY contradicts Islam. The fact that we've become intellectually weak has emboldened some of those who are given the titel of Alim to make all sorts of rulings, to please rulers, to bolster their positions of power and so forth. And yet we, the Muslim Ummah, are the ones responsible for this, as we do not account nor even question the unIslamic things they sometimes proclaim.


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