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    Question what's the difference between barelvis and deobandi's?



    What's the major difference between these two groups ?

    Is this not true that:

    a. both follows hanafi madhab jurisprudence (only few of them are shafi)
    b. in Aqeedah school both are follower of Imam Abul Hasan Ashari ra and Abu Mansur Maturidi ra
    c. both accept the four chains of tasawwuf - Naqshabandiyyah, Qadiriyyah, Soharwardiyyah and Chishtiyya.
    d. both accepts the Sufi stories blindly, except few of them.
    e. both were originated from India one in the city of barelvi (barelvis)& other in the city of deobandh (deobandis) approx. 150-200 years back.

    then what is the major differences between these two groups



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    Default Re: what's the difference between brillo's and deobandi's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Zak View Post


    What's the major difference between these two groups ?

    Is this not true that:

    a. both follows hanafi madhab jurisprudence (only few of them are shafi)
    b. in Aqeedah school both are follower of Imam Abul Hasan Ashari ra and Abu Mansur Maturidi ra
    c. both accept the four chains of tasawwuf - Naqshabandiyyah, Qadiriyyah, Soharwardiyyah and Chishtiyya.

    then what is the major differences between these two groups

    وعلیکم اسلام
    This faqeer hopes that the following material can be of some benefit
    A Query Regarding the Barelwis
    Question:

    All praise is to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds, and Salat wa Salam on the Messenger of Allah, and his family and Companions, all of them.

    My noble shaykh ‘Allamah Muhammad Taqi Usmani (may Allah protect him).

    Assalamu ‘alaykum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,

    May you be well throughout the year (kullu ‘aam wa antum bi khayr), may Allah accept your worship and may he return this ‘Id on you, us and all Muslims with prosperity and blessings. I hope you, your family and all of your loved ones are well and in good health. Likewise, I hope you will excuse [me] for delaying writing for I was preoccupied with studies and the affairs of my family. And it is Allah from whom aid is sought.

    I sent you a letter and a card on the occasion of ‘Id al-Fitr, did they reach you?

    I understood your indication and I hope for accordance (tawfiq); it is an honour to translate your book. However, I have been busy preparing for a PhD in copyright and among my most important references is your book Qadaya Fiqhiyyah Mu’asirah. I shall soon, Allah willing, translate some of your writings and will send you what I have translated then.


    What does the shaykh, may Allah protect him, say regarding the Barelwi group, as this group is not found in our lands and I have not found a book in Arabic on them except a book by one of the ‘ulama of Najd. I found him unjust with those who are not Barelwi and so I have not relied on his judgment and what he has quoted. Hence, it is hoped their situation is explained, for people are among those who are in extreme love or extreme hatred. Allah is the one who guides to what is correct.

    Wassalamu ‘alaykum wa rahmatullah

    Muhammad ‘Ali Muhammad Ahdash

    Answer:

    To the noble brother ‘Allamah Muhammad ‘Ali Muhammad Ahdash, may Allah Most High protect him and watch over him.

    Assalamu ‘alaykum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,

    I did indeed receive your noble letter with much happiness and prayed for accordance and success for you, and that Allah Most High grants you the ability to complete your work as he likes and pleases him. You have asked regarding two issues:[1]

    The first is with regards to the Barelwi group, which is distinct from the majority of Muslims in some points of belief (‘aqaid) and innovated practices (al-a’mal al-mubtada’ah). Among their beliefs is that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and grant him peace) knew the unseen and was cognizant of everything that was and shall be (ma kana wa ma yakun), and that his noble soul has the right of disposal in terms of benefiting and harming people. Their imam, Shaykh Ahmad Rada Khan al-Barelwi circulated a fatwa of kufr against the ‘ulama of Deoband and even said that he who does not consider them a kafir is also a kafir. This was because they (the ‘ulama of Deoband) had criticized their beliefs and said: the knowledge of the unseen is a quality (sifah) of Allah Most High, no one is a partner with him in this. However, He Most High informed His messengers of that which he wished from the unseen. Among their bid’ah practices is that they celebrate certain festivals that are not established in the Qur’an and Sunnah and consider them to be preferable (mustahab), rather they treat them like those actions that are wajib by expressing extreme loath for those who do not join them. Likewise, they have contrived certain practices when someone dies such as the family of the dead person inviting people on the third, tenth and fortieth day after the passing of the deceased. Food is prepared for them and he who does not do this is severely reprimanded. And there are many other such innovations.

    Discourse regarding this group is plenty. However, that which I have mentioned is a summary of their beliefs and practices. Among them are those who exceed the limit in this, talk nonsense and are bigoted, and those who in comparison to the others are balanced.

    And Allah Most High is the most knowledgeable.

    [Mufti] Muhammad Taqi Usmani (may Allah forgive him)
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    Default Re: what's the difference between brillo's and deobandi's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Zak View Post


    What's the major difference between these two groups ?

    Is this not true that:

    a. both follows hanafi madhab jurisprudence (only few of them are shafi)
    b. in Aqeedah school both are follower of Imam Abul Hasan Ashari ra and Abu Mansur Maturidi ra
    c. both accept the four chains of tasawwuf - Naqshabandiyyah, Qadiriyyah, Soharwardiyyah and Chishtiyya.

    then what is the major differences between these two groups

    A very informative lecture on the issue.

    http://www.4-shared.eu/download/zRy2...wi-Menace.html


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    Default Re: what's the difference between brillo's and deobandi's?



    I still don't understand why people have this belief that the Prophet didn't "know the Unseen", or maybe I do understand that people don't get it.

    Did he know the Unseen like Allah? NO, I don't even think Barelvis believe his unseen is equated with Allah, however there is a certain level of Unseen which Allah GAVE the Prophets. What? Really? Did not Isa bin Maryam :als: say to the Children of Israel that he knew what was in their homes? That he knew what they ate? Is that not the Unseen? It is!! Because the level Allah gave them is from a level of Prophethood and no more and no one can be equal to Allah.
    Abu Sa’id (ra) said that Rasullilah (salalahi alahi wasalam) said, “Whoever says:

    Radeetu billahi rabban, wa bil-Islaami deenan, wa bi-Muhammadin rasoolan

    Jannah becomes obligatory for him (to enter).
    [Abu-Dawud]

    - Best said in Morning and Evening with "Nabiyan wa rasoolan"


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    Default Re: what's the difference between brillo's and deobandi's?

    There isn't any fundamental issue going on between them. The whole world accepts both as Sunni communities. If the Deobandi and Bareilwi community would unite, beautiful things would happen. It is not too late to unite, let's pray and sit together!


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    Default Re: what's the difference between brillo's and deobandi's?

    There is no comparison between Deobandis and Barelvis.Deobandis are the true followers of Imam Abu Hanifah(rah) in Fiqh,Imam Abu Mansoor Maturidi & Imam Abul Hasan Ash'ari(rah) in Aqaid,Qadiri,Chishti,Naqshbandi and Suhrawardi orders in Tasawwuf or Tareeqat,whereas the Barelvis follow the religion founded by a British agent Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi.The Barelvis who follow Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi,Naeemuddin Moradabadi and Amjad Ali Azamgarhi in Aqaid,they are kaafir according to the research of Fakhr e Deobandiat Hazrat Mufti Zarwali Khan(db).Followers of Barelvi religion are neither Sunnis nor Hanafis nor Qadiris or Chistis,they are out of the fold of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah according to the research of muhaqqiqeen.


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    Default Re: what's the difference between brillo's and deobandi's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah Ibn Adam View Post
    There isn't any fundamental issue going on between them. The whole world accepts both as Sunni communities. If the Deobandi and Bareilwi community would unite, beautiful things would happen. It is not too late to unite, let's pray and sit together!
    so you want these two groups to unite ?
    ".. Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers". [5:72]


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    Default Re: what's the difference between brillo's and deobandi's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Al-Qasim View Post
    There is no comparison between Deobandis and Barelvis.Deobandis are the true followers of Imam Abu Hanifah(rah) in Fiqh,Imam Abu Mansoor Maturidi & Imam Abul Hasan Ash'ari(rah) in Aqaid,Qadiri,Chishti,Naqshbandi and Suhrawardi orders in Tasawwuf or Tareeqat,whereas the Barelvis follow the religion founded by a British agent Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi.The Barelvis who follow Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi,Naeemuddin Moradabadi and Amjad Ali Azamgarhi in Aqaid,they are kaafir according to the research of Fakhr e Deobandiat Hazrat Mufti Zarwali Khan(db).Followers of Barelvi religion are neither Sunnis nor Hanafis nor Qadiris or Chistis,they are out of the fold of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah according to the research of muhaqqiqeen.
    and they say same about deobandi ?
    ".. Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers". [5:72]


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    Default Re: what's the difference between brillo's and deobandi's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Zak View Post
    and they say same about deobandi ?
    Does it matter?

    According to Kuffar Shi'ites their version of Mahdi will kill all Sunnis on the surface of Earth.

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