Al-Maghrib salafi? Zaytuna Sufi?

**Kaaju Barfi** · 23-01-2006, 03:08 PM

ignorance is the biggest fitnah. an interesting article for us to reflect on

http://www.m-a-t.org/islam2.htm

Is Syed Suhrawardy a reliable man? He seems to be reasonable and according to his biography, he has had a traditional islamic education in Pakistan. Does any one know more about this man?

**Kareem** · 23-01-2006, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Kaaju Barfi

Considering the damage that the pseudo-salafis and wahabis have done, i don't think so, Kareem.

i really dont think salafiyya is the biggest fitnah ever is islamic history

**Sunniya** · 24-01-2006, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Omar HH

Thats funny you make me laugh.

Allah yahdeek.

Nobody cares what you say.

And I dont like your emotional disrespectful contradictory attitude.

Allah yahdeek kaman.

**Omar HH** · 24-01-2006, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Sunniya

And I dont like your emotional disrespectful contradictory attitude.

Allah yahdeek kaman.

Ok your right.

The only thing is people's false claims have been proported so many times that it would do injustice to take such a lie seriously.

Therefore I will not even listen to his arguments, nor whatever he has to say on the matter - since I know I am right bi izn Allah.

And I thank Allah for this and ask him to keep me right instead of wavering into falsehood.

I have no garuntee that he will so thank you for the du`a.

**Kaaju Barfi** · 24-01-2006, 09:51 AM

Wahabbiya and Salaffiya is the biggest fitnah this ummah has faced, i dont know why Kareem has to deny that , other than for the sake of argumentation. I personally believe that the wahabbiya and salafiya founders were working for shaytaan for money i.e. they sold their religion.

**Harun_Abdul_Hakeem** · 24-01-2006, 10:02 AM

Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatoulahi Wa Barakatou

In My mind set if i can offer my opinion Some do say yes that salafi's are the biggest fitna this ummah has faced,yes that is tru but in a sense i would say the biggest problem our ummah has is the lack of knowledge and zeal or Tallaab to gain that knowledge,or else if we had the correct Ilm one that we place in our lifes not information like shaykh Abu Yusuf Riyad Ul Haq Said the other day in his lecture in Montreal at ICQ,Then we would kno that what they are saying is wrong and irrational,but in asense we dont cuz we lack that knowledge so we percieve that they are the biggest fitna,but in my mind trully the ummah is facing other obstacles and fitna's right now then Salaifi's,we have other demon's we must over come if we look at the Ummah in a Whole.

Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatoulahi Wa Barakatou

**Omar HH** · 24-01-2006, 10:09 AM

I think we are all getting a little heated and off topic.

Allah yahdeena kullana.

The worst fitna is the Dajjal.

After the Dajjal it is the Batinis whom if you read Imam al-Baghdadi's "Farq Baynul Firaq" he says they have misguided more people than the Dajjal, nay more people than sand on the entire earth. Yet we never see people attacking the Batinis - Imam al-Ghazali wrote an entire book about them.

What is a Batini?

A Batini is basically someone who believes that the Qur'an and Sunnah have a secret inner meaning and that we do not have to follow the outer meaning hence they claim:

1) You don't have to "fast" you can just "fast from bad thoughts" during Ramadan.
2) You don't have to do Hajj you can just do a pilgrimage to good thoughts.

Etc.

A modern day example of this is the Isma`ili sect which is still active all over the United States, Africa, Syria, Pakistan and India.

Unfortunately our Ummah pays more attention in stopping Ithna `Ashari Shi`a, and Wahhabis than these Batinis whom Imam al-Baghdadi himself who wrote a book on every single sect of Islam said that they had misguided "more than the Dajjal."

And Allah ta`ala knows best,

Omar.

**Kareem** · 24-01-2006, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Kaaju Barfi

Wahabbiya and Salaffiya is the biggest fitnah this ummah has faced, i dont know why Kareem has to deny that , other than for the sake of argumentation. I personally believe that the wahabbiya and salafiya founders were working for shaytaan for money i.e. they sold their religion.

not just for the sake of arguement but for the sake of truth.

**abu abdul-kareem** · 24-01-2006, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Kaaju Barfi

I personally believe that the wahabbiya and salafiya founders were working for shaytaan for money i.e. they sold their religion.

Taqillah, these are strong statements I believe you should reconsider retracting or clarifying what you mean.

**Kaaju Barfi** · 24-01-2006, 11:31 AM

When we read the 'glorious' history of 'Shaykh' Muhammad ibn Abdal Wahab and his relationship with a certain shaytaan, one cannot help coming to the conclusion which is not different from what I had come to. May Allah forgive and overlook my overcomings if i have mis interpreted Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab's actions.

Here is some enlightening material:

http://www.hizmetbooks.org/AdobeBooks/BritishSpy.pdf

Read from page 12 , we can see how Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab's real character was.