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    Quote Originally Posted by abuhajira View Post


    Unfortunately the madrasah does not has any small specialized courses except for already graduated Ulema. Coming only for summer (i.e summer of S.Africa dec-jan) would not be beneficial.

    This is what the Madaris need to think about in my opinion. There are so many Darul 'Ulooms around the world. Where I live there are well over a dozen such Madaris. But if someone wanted to learn basic fiqh or Arabic he can't. You have to enroll for the full 6 years full-time.

    Please forgive me for the expression but it seems like we are only interested in "churning out Molvi's" (again forgive me for the expression)

    They need to think about educating the masses through smaller courses? Plus the 'Ulema that have "graduated" are too busy trying to make financial ends meet, marriage and maktab that they can't afford to spare time to teach the general public or just individuals.

    In my area there are over 80 'Ulema and huffaz, and when you look at the state of the 'awwam its pitiful.

    Its a shame. Actually its shameful.

    Anyway what do I know.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdul Hayy View Post
    This is what the Madaris need to think about in my opinion. There are so many Darul 'Ulooms around the world. Where I live there are well over a dozen such Madaris. But if someone wanted to learn basic fiqh or Arabic he can't. You have to enroll for the full 6 years full-time.

    Please forgive me for the expression but it seems like we are only interested in "churning out Molvi's" (again forgive me for the expression)

    They need to think about educating the masses through smaller courses? Plus the 'Ulema that have "graduated" are too busy trying to make financial ends meet, marriage and maktab that they can't afford to spare time to teach the general public or just individuals.

    In my area there are over 80 'Ulema and huffaz, and when you look at the state of the 'awwam its pitiful.

    Its a shame. Actually its shameful.

    Anyway what do I know.


    All the more reason for you to spend 6-10 years in an academic environment and help your community resolve these matters.

    You have requested apology for your remark about Maulvis, and that makes me sad. I do not wish to discourage you, but you speak as though Maulvi is a small level of education. Have you heard of Harvard University giving a 6 week Diploma course in Shakespearean English Literature, after which you will be recognised as a scholar in English? Then why do you expect Madaris which are Universities offering a course in Islamic Theology to make a such courses which would demean the subject matter of education.

    Let me ask you, what do you intend to do with Arabic? What good will it do to a small town like yellow knife, canada to have learnt arabic?

    Regarding Basic Fiqh
    1.As for basic Fiqh, then almost every masjid has a sunday or saturday school teaching Taleem ul Haq etc. One should swallow ones pride and enroll in them. They are very helpful. Knowing fiqh only entails known the rulings of the particular madhab.
    2.At the same time Masajid should take these initiative to make adult classes and I am aware of many Imams who do do it.

    The maqsad of Madrassah is not linguistics, its knowledge of deen. and for that there is a method. Either you follow it or you dont. If everyone were to become Alims, then Allah would not have given them their high status.

    Yes, you should rather say, that there should be small refresher courses to help the awaam. And there are! they are mostly run by masajid not madaris.

    In my area there are over 80 'Ulema and huffaz, and when you look at the state of the 'awwam its pitiful.
    - Again affairs of Ulema of your place is not the concern of Madaris, that is the affair of those Ulema..They will be held accountable for that
    - It is rejuvinating to see your worry for the awwaam. For awaam the best course is to get associated with Jamaat work. They will not only learn basic fiqh, and steadfastness on Salaah but will also change their thinking ideology.



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    First of all forgive me if I have caused any undue offense.

    There are many points of rebuttal in what you have posted, but I am not in the business of arguing with an 'Alim or the 'Ulema, therefore I wont respond to them.

    What I posted is my observance of the current situation in many places, and it is far from perfect.

    I respect the 'Ulema and advise others too also. It pains me to see the 'Ulema being talked bad of and I defend the them wherever I can.

    The madaris are doing a great duty and I respect them in mind and soul for that.

    I encourage those of thinking of studying at a Dar al 'Uloom to go ahead and do so and be privileged.

    However the current state is far from perfect and my observation I stated. There are areas of improvement and they should be addressed.

    wa-Allahu a'lam


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    Agreed.. current state of ummah needs lot and lot of work from not only Ulama but also each and every muslim who carried the precious faith in their heart.



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    Forgive me for returning to this but I would like you to take a look at the below excerpt I have found:

    The death of an ‘Alim is the death of the ‘Alam (world)


    In every era the spiritual reformation, wholesomeness and success of the Ummah has been closely attached to the ‘Ulema. Whenever the ‘Ulema and leaders of the Ummah portrayed outstanding models for the Ummah and continued their obligations of reformation and dissemination, the Ummah enjoyed peace and tranquillity and the “Allah – inspired” peace of mind continued its descent upon them.

    On the other hand whenever the leaders and so-called “’Ulema” fell into a slumber of negligence and whenever they had over looked their status and fell behind pursuits of wealth and fame and portrayed a bad example to the Ummah, spiritual deviation set swiftly. The fire of spiritual corruption and moral degeneration was set aflame and the blazes of internecine wars exploded into a towering inferno. The blame lies on none other than this group of ‘Ulema.

    Presently, there are numerous religious institutions and who knows the total number of ‘Ulema qualifying from these institutes. The numerous ‘Ulema graduating from these Madaris should have resulted in the total eradication of ignorance and deviation from every corner of the world but alas, these so-called “leaders” are nothing more than (in the words of the Hadith) “the scum of flood waters.”

    The main reason for this is that education has been transformed more into a formality and custom than anything else. Religious institutes today lack the faculties of spiritual reformation and upbringing. On the other hand, matters have reached such extremes that on the pretext of ta’leem and tarbiyyah (education and religious upbringing), the children in primary Madrasahs (maktabs) are beaten like animals. The students in turn develop evil thoughts about the teachers and tend to become antagonistic towards them. The teachers are under the impression that their obligation is restricted to teaching only. There seems to be no bond linking the student and teacher together. Nobody seems to be aware of each other’s rights nor is there any consideration awarded to them.

    Within the various branches of teaching and education, there seems to be either an upper extremity or a lower extremity. On one hand, lengthy lectures, multi-faceted differences of opinions and views regarding a certain masalah has become the norm of the day., whilst on the other hand, mere translation of the book has become the habit of certain teachers.

    The condition of the students is that they pay no attention to mutala’ah (studying) nor do they have any inclination towards takrar (revision and repetition). Merely sitting in class, preparing for the examination and attaining a certificate have become a rather simple issue.

    Regardless of the theoretical and practical capabilities of the students, the Madrasah authorities are wont of issuing Qiraat and ‘Alim certificates no matter what happens. On the other hand some students who, taken aback by their zeal to toiling, desire to memorise all their books without taking any care of their health and eye-sight.

    These are some of the defects which have rendered of the Ummah thirsty for ‘Ulema who can be of genuine service to them. Only such ‘Ulema and Madaris will be able to quench this thirst of the Ummah.

    Even in these times, if decent arrangements are made for the education and spiritual fostering of the students of these Madaris, the thirst of the Ummah can still be quenched and the Ummah can metamorphose into a spiritual flourishing and lush Ummah….

    (Mufti) Muhammad Zayd (Mazahiri Nadwi)
    1 Rajab 1410 A.H.
    Jamia Arabiyah
    Hatoora Banda
    (U.P. India)





    (Etiquette for Teachers and Students, compiled by Mufti Muhammad Zayd Mazahiri Nadwi from the writings of Maulana Ashraf ‘Ali Thanwi)

    Source: Enjoining the Good and Forbidding the Evil
    I love the pious but I am not from amongst them, maybe Allah will bestow me (due to my love for them) with piety.


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    I agree with Mufti Saheb.

    At the same time, I uphold Madaris for being there when there was plain chaos in attaining Deen. Yes many see madaris as a easy going 6-9 years for attaining an Alim certeficate. But Alhamdulillah I have not met materialistic elders within institution as yet. In fact I have seen my teacher NOT give recomendation for certain individual because his habbits were not too acceptable.

    The system is not flawless, and there is immense room for improvement. However, every year my hope increases as I see more and more promising students in madaris. Those who really come as "Talib Ilm" with the zeal to learn and become better. Their love for books, respect for teachers and innocence to any alterior motive raises their status. It is when I see them, I say.. the system is not a total loss!

    In the same breath, the conditions of madaris is not far worse than their counterpart secular institutes. Maulana ashraf Ali Thanvi r.a once said to an official who rebuked Madrassa Student and said.. "So petty theives live in Madaris".. and He answer,"No hadhrat, even thieves come here to learn Ilm of Deen"..

    These critical view of madrassah is effective for those who are in nizamat of madaris. For general public.. it is enough for them to know that their imaan has a far more chance of being save within madrassah walls then out..



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    Assalamu alaykum.

    May I ask some questions regarding this madrasa?

    Where will students read their books after their regular daily classes are over? Will they study in their dorm rooms where 5-6 people live or are there separate class rooms for individual mutalaa?

    Can you also clarify more on daily study life schedule in madrasa? When do classes start, how many hours will students be engaged with classes in a day? I did not understand well the time-table you uploaded above.

    Can you clarify more on admission procedure. I am 23 years old. I don't know either Arabic or Urdu. Alhamdulillah, I can read Qur'an, I have the basic knowledge of Islam which I have obtained in my mother toungue. Am I eligible to apply? I want to complete full Alim course. Since I don't have basic madrasa knowledge to which course will they admit me now?

    How much is average monthly expenditure? (including tuition fees, living, foods, etc) Is there any help for those who can not afford that expenditure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdugafur View Post
    Assalamu alaykum.

    May I ask some questions regarding this madrasa?


    this thread is for the purpose..InshAllah,

    Where will students read their books after their regular daily classes are over? Will they study in their dorm rooms where 5-6 people live or are there separate class rooms for individual mutalaa?
    If you look at the time table, there is time allocated for "Takraar". Takraar means revision. This is the time allocated solely for revision of the books and sabaq you have done that day. After Ishaa' you have another 1.5 hours of study time which is for "Mutal'a" that is going over the sabaq of the next day beforehand. Many student utilize this time while others are lazy.

    The Takraar/mutal'a is don in masjid Sehen. All the madrassah is gathered in the sehen which does make it a bit hard to study. But those who study well in groups are far more than those who like lone studies. Loner studies is discouraged in madrassah for the fact that group takrar help you opne in your explanation of the Masail and Ibarat. However after your Mutal'a time you have the whole night to keep a small lamp and do your individual studies.

    Can you also clarify more on daily study life schedule in madrasa? When do classes start, how many hours will students be engaged with classes in a day? I did not understand well the time-table you uploaded above.
    Fajr is about 5:45
    After Fajr there is time of daily adhkaar etc..
    Classes start at 6:45 ( these times chage as per the time of year_
    Classed go right up to 11:00
    Lunch Hour is until 1:00 in which you have your lunch and sleep
    Classes begin around 1:30 after Dhuhur until Asr.
    After Asr you have your recreation time untill Maghrib
    Maghrib till Eshaa is Takraar
    1.5 hours after Eshaa is Mutal'a..
    After that its lights out.. unless you wish to use lanterns and small lamps to study on your own.

    Note that it is not like a prison that they turn your lights out.. its just that the Nazim will come and knock to turn you lights off. some students stay up late..

    Can you clarify more on admission procedure. I am 23 years old. I don't know either Arabic or Urdu. Alhamdulillah, I can read Qur'an, I have the basic knowledge of Islam which I have obtained in my mother toungue. Am I eligible to apply? I want to complete full Alim course. Since I don't have basic madrasa knowledge to which course will they admit me now?
    Most students coming for Alim course are not acquainted with any prior knowledge as well. Age is no hindrance too. You will apply by posting your basic education (secular OR religious what ever you have done) to the email : alinaam@alinaam.org.za It is better to attach your passport copy of information page. Remember we dont really need the photograph. Its the information page that we need.

    Give a short background about yourself, the area your are applying and the madaris facilities in that are..

    eligibility is not hard, but the Admin Office reserve the right to admission. So post these info and inshAllah I will forward them to the Admin office. Remember I can only do this after Ramadan.

    Since you dont have any basic knowledge you will have the option of either doing "Idaadiya" pre-1st year or 1st year. I personally would recommend 1st year since I expect 20+ student are mature enough to grasp the ideas and basis very quickly.. For them Idaadiya will be a waste of lots of valuable time.. but again it is up to the Nazim Ta'leemat to decide that. In our Madrassah that is Maulana Harun Dhooma Saheb.

    How much is average monthly expenditure? (including tuition fees, living, foods, etc) Is there any help for those who can not afford that expenditure?
    The normal cost of education here is R1000/month which is equivallent to US$ 142 /month. However we do help foerigners with cost of education if they are unable to afford it. Boarding/lodging and education expenses are all inclusive. Though you will need to pay for your Visa costs, Tickets, and monthly personal expenses which are about US$ 60 – 75 / month. However that expense is based one personal use.



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    Jazakallohu khayr, brother. Thank you very much.


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    As Salaamu Alaikum ww

    Could anyone inform me of when the holidays for Madressa In'aamiyah are during the year? It would be greatly appreciated.Jazakallah.

    Was Salaam ww


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